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> Yeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content." ]
> Half a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people." ]
> Even back then six months ago I didn't expect Russian sycophants to wildly celebrate every time they take something like a single salt mine. Our times keeps getting wilder and wilder.
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.", ">\n\nHalf a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!" ]
> Grasping at straws.
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.", ">\n\nHalf a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!", ">\n\nEven back then six months ago I didn't expect Russian sycophants to wildly celebrate every time they take something like a single salt mine. Our times keeps getting wilder and wilder." ]
> What is Putin's goal in Ukraine by this point anyway? First it was conquering the country, then it was installing a new government in Ukraine, in parallel to that it was "denazifying the country" by eliminating Azov. Then they released the Azovites, a few months after they captured them. Then it was defending their newly acquired oblasts, only to retreat from Kherson and Lyman. I feel like the only goal out of those they have stated that they are still pursuing is "liberating Donbass".
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.", ">\n\nHalf a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!", ">\n\nEven back then six months ago I didn't expect Russian sycophants to wildly celebrate every time they take something like a single salt mine. Our times keeps getting wilder and wilder.", ">\n\nGrasping at straws." ]
> There is no "goal" anymore. There is only the 'way." Putin will keep he war going and hope that he can somehow opportunisticly get to an end point that benefits him.
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.", ">\n\nHalf a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!", ">\n\nEven back then six months ago I didn't expect Russian sycophants to wildly celebrate every time they take something like a single salt mine. Our times keeps getting wilder and wilder.", ">\n\nGrasping at straws.", ">\n\nWhat is Putin's goal in Ukraine by this point anyway?\nFirst it was conquering the country, then it was installing a new government in Ukraine, in parallel to that it was \"denazifying the country\" by eliminating Azov. Then they released the Azovites, a few months after they captured them. Then it was defending their newly acquired oblasts, only to retreat from Kherson and Lyman.\nI feel like the only goal out of those they have stated that they are still pursuing is \"liberating Donbass\"." ]
> This is not the way
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.", ">\n\nHalf a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!", ">\n\nEven back then six months ago I didn't expect Russian sycophants to wildly celebrate every time they take something like a single salt mine. Our times keeps getting wilder and wilder.", ">\n\nGrasping at straws.", ">\n\nWhat is Putin's goal in Ukraine by this point anyway?\nFirst it was conquering the country, then it was installing a new government in Ukraine, in parallel to that it was \"denazifying the country\" by eliminating Azov. Then they released the Azovites, a few months after they captured them. Then it was defending their newly acquired oblasts, only to retreat from Kherson and Lyman.\nI feel like the only goal out of those they have stated that they are still pursuing is \"liberating Donbass\".", ">\n\nThere is no \"goal\" anymore. There is only the 'way.\" \nPutin will keep he war going and hope that he can somehow opportunisticly get to an end point that benefits him." ]
> The way is not this
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.", ">\n\nHalf a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!", ">\n\nEven back then six months ago I didn't expect Russian sycophants to wildly celebrate every time they take something like a single salt mine. Our times keeps getting wilder and wilder.", ">\n\nGrasping at straws.", ">\n\nWhat is Putin's goal in Ukraine by this point anyway?\nFirst it was conquering the country, then it was installing a new government in Ukraine, in parallel to that it was \"denazifying the country\" by eliminating Azov. Then they released the Azovites, a few months after they captured them. Then it was defending their newly acquired oblasts, only to retreat from Kherson and Lyman.\nI feel like the only goal out of those they have stated that they are still pursuing is \"liberating Donbass\".", ">\n\nThere is no \"goal\" anymore. There is only the 'way.\" \nPutin will keep he war going and hope that he can somehow opportunisticly get to an end point that benefits him.", ">\n\nThis is not the way" ]
> Not this is the way
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.", ">\n\nHalf a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!", ">\n\nEven back then six months ago I didn't expect Russian sycophants to wildly celebrate every time they take something like a single salt mine. Our times keeps getting wilder and wilder.", ">\n\nGrasping at straws.", ">\n\nWhat is Putin's goal in Ukraine by this point anyway?\nFirst it was conquering the country, then it was installing a new government in Ukraine, in parallel to that it was \"denazifying the country\" by eliminating Azov. Then they released the Azovites, a few months after they captured them. Then it was defending their newly acquired oblasts, only to retreat from Kherson and Lyman.\nI feel like the only goal out of those they have stated that they are still pursuing is \"liberating Donbass\".", ">\n\nThere is no \"goal\" anymore. There is only the 'way.\" \nPutin will keep he war going and hope that he can somehow opportunisticly get to an end point that benefits him.", ">\n\nThis is not the way", ">\n\nThe way is not this" ]
> So, basically 3 are not done properly yet due to Ukraine gov failure, 1 because of EU failure and 3 have good progress. Yeah, definitely will take some time after war ends to finish all 7. Especially when some MPs keep sabotaging that progress.
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.", ">\n\nHalf a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!", ">\n\nEven back then six months ago I didn't expect Russian sycophants to wildly celebrate every time they take something like a single salt mine. Our times keeps getting wilder and wilder.", ">\n\nGrasping at straws.", ">\n\nWhat is Putin's goal in Ukraine by this point anyway?\nFirst it was conquering the country, then it was installing a new government in Ukraine, in parallel to that it was \"denazifying the country\" by eliminating Azov. Then they released the Azovites, a few months after they captured them. Then it was defending their newly acquired oblasts, only to retreat from Kherson and Lyman.\nI feel like the only goal out of those they have stated that they are still pursuing is \"liberating Donbass\".", ">\n\nThere is no \"goal\" anymore. There is only the 'way.\" \nPutin will keep he war going and hope that he can somehow opportunisticly get to an end point that benefits him.", ">\n\nThis is not the way", ">\n\nThe way is not this", ">\n\nNot this is the way" ]
> I cant help but admire the Russian determination to die for Putin. I guess they made it a life goal of theirs to die for a dictator who couldn't give a shit about them. Maybe they love suffering. Maybe they love being able to commit a few warcrimes, act like animals, before they die. Y'know, act psychotic, steal, plunder, destroy, torture, commit a few murders and rapes before embracing your final doom. Bring nothing positive to the world. Just death and suffering. Do they think of their dear dictator living in luxury, right before death strikes them in no man's land? They are being sent by the hundreds per day to die, and die, and die, and be maimed and mutilated. And yet, it doesn't seem they really care. More waves keep coming. What did they think happened to the previous waves? Their culture really is fucked up. Enjoying slavely, enjoying suffering, enjoying subservience to the ''strong man'' dictator, abandonning any hope for a better future for them and their families, while the oligarchs steal and plunder the nation to their own ends, and send them to die for their own blunders and greed. Blaming everyone else for their own problems, and never even attempting to self-reflect or accept even some part of responsibility. Nihilism in its purest form. We westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class. I do not deny it. But at least, we are AWARE of those problems, and we still have people who CARE and are CRITICAL of those problems, and still try to improve things. We haven't completely given up and we try to have hope and find solutions, and there are people in our societies who try to keep the powerful accountable, and are not completely cynical. We're far from perfect, but we try, and that's why people often like living in western societies. Because we try to build a decent society, we try to self-reflect, despite all of our shortcomings. Ukraine did not attack Russia. They just wanted to be left alone, keep their 1991 borders and thrive with partners of their choice. Ukraine did not threaten anyone. They wanted democracy and self-determination. But Putin didn't give a shit. His fucking legacy, greed and delusional vision of history required him to launch one last psychotic war before he would fucking die. Piece of shit. I hope he gets to rot in hell when his time comes.
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.", ">\n\nHalf a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!", ">\n\nEven back then six months ago I didn't expect Russian sycophants to wildly celebrate every time they take something like a single salt mine. Our times keeps getting wilder and wilder.", ">\n\nGrasping at straws.", ">\n\nWhat is Putin's goal in Ukraine by this point anyway?\nFirst it was conquering the country, then it was installing a new government in Ukraine, in parallel to that it was \"denazifying the country\" by eliminating Azov. Then they released the Azovites, a few months after they captured them. Then it was defending their newly acquired oblasts, only to retreat from Kherson and Lyman.\nI feel like the only goal out of those they have stated that they are still pursuing is \"liberating Donbass\".", ">\n\nThere is no \"goal\" anymore. There is only the 'way.\" \nPutin will keep he war going and hope that he can somehow opportunisticly get to an end point that benefits him.", ">\n\nThis is not the way", ">\n\nThe way is not this", ">\n\nNot this is the way", ">\n\nSo, basically 3 are not done properly yet due to Ukraine gov failure, 1 because of EU failure and 3 have good progress. Yeah, definitely will take some time after war ends to finish all 7. Especially when some MPs keep sabotaging that progress." ]
> We westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class. Not saying you meant to imply it but it is very important to not that corruption in western counties is not even remotely as bad as in places like Russia. For instance my buddy in India was saying that if you don't bribe the person at the counter where you get your drivers license you'll get it in 6 months. Slip them the expected amount of money and you'll get it in a few days. Now apply that to every single government employee that you ever want to do something for you. And that includes the police, anyone that works for the government has their hand out all the time. If you don't pay maybe you don't get your license for a few extra months, or maybe you catch a beating from a cop and spend a few days in jail over what should have been a fine. And that doesn't even get into how the rich bribe higher up government officials or how much those same Indian officials steal from public funds. Corruption in the west is like we're playing little league and India is up in the pro's. Now keep in mind that Russia is even more corrupt than India. And unfortunately Ukraine is almost as bad as Russia. Zelensky was elected on a platform to clean government up which honestly wasn't going that well before the war, his popularity was slipping. It's obvious he's trying to take advantage of his wartime popularity to make some progress in the issue, I hope that he succeeds.
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.", ">\n\nHalf a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!", ">\n\nEven back then six months ago I didn't expect Russian sycophants to wildly celebrate every time they take something like a single salt mine. Our times keeps getting wilder and wilder.", ">\n\nGrasping at straws.", ">\n\nWhat is Putin's goal in Ukraine by this point anyway?\nFirst it was conquering the country, then it was installing a new government in Ukraine, in parallel to that it was \"denazifying the country\" by eliminating Azov. Then they released the Azovites, a few months after they captured them. Then it was defending their newly acquired oblasts, only to retreat from Kherson and Lyman.\nI feel like the only goal out of those they have stated that they are still pursuing is \"liberating Donbass\".", ">\n\nThere is no \"goal\" anymore. There is only the 'way.\" \nPutin will keep he war going and hope that he can somehow opportunisticly get to an end point that benefits him.", ">\n\nThis is not the way", ">\n\nThe way is not this", ">\n\nNot this is the way", ">\n\nSo, basically 3 are not done properly yet due to Ukraine gov failure, 1 because of EU failure and 3 have good progress. Yeah, definitely will take some time after war ends to finish all 7. Especially when some MPs keep sabotaging that progress.", ">\n\nI cant help but admire the Russian determination to die for Putin. I guess they made it a life goal of theirs to die for a dictator who couldn't give a shit about them. Maybe they love suffering. Maybe they love being able to commit a few warcrimes, act like animals, before they die. Y'know, act psychotic, steal, plunder, destroy, torture, commit a few murders and rapes before embracing your final doom. Bring nothing positive to the world. Just death and suffering. Do they think of their dear dictator living in luxury, right before death strikes them in no man's land?\nThey are being sent by the hundreds per day to die, and die, and die, and be maimed and mutilated. And yet, it doesn't seem they really care. More waves keep coming. What did they think happened to the previous waves?\nTheir culture really is fucked up. Enjoying slavely, enjoying suffering, enjoying subservience to the ''strong man'' dictator, abandonning any hope for a better future for them and their families, while the oligarchs steal and plunder the nation to their own ends, and send them to die for their own blunders and greed. Blaming everyone else for their own problems, and never even attempting to self-reflect or accept even some part of responsibility. Nihilism in its purest form.\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class. I do not deny it. But at least, we are AWARE of those problems, and we still have people who CARE and are CRITICAL of those problems, and still try to improve things. We haven't completely given up and we try to have hope and find solutions, and there are people in our societies who try to keep the powerful accountable, and are not completely cynical. We're far from perfect, but we try, and that's why people often like living in western societies. Because we try to build a decent society, we try to self-reflect, despite all of our shortcomings.\nUkraine did not attack Russia. They just wanted to be left alone, keep their 1991 borders and thrive with partners of their choice. Ukraine did not threaten anyone. They wanted democracy and self-determination. But Putin didn't give a shit. His fucking legacy, greed and delusional vision of history required him to launch one last psychotic war before he would fucking die. Piece of shit. I hope he gets to rot in hell when his time comes." ]
> Agreed. It is imperative for Ukraine to flush out corruption and establish a political elite and population that fights corruption rather than embrace it. Zelensky is certainly not perfect, but Im glad the conflict seems to have sped up his fight agains't corruption. I just hope our impressions are not misplaced. Ukraine must keep striving for lower corruption and more integrity. They are making efforts, I think. We will see in the coming years if the results can be seen and better measured.
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.", ">\n\nHalf a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!", ">\n\nEven back then six months ago I didn't expect Russian sycophants to wildly celebrate every time they take something like a single salt mine. Our times keeps getting wilder and wilder.", ">\n\nGrasping at straws.", ">\n\nWhat is Putin's goal in Ukraine by this point anyway?\nFirst it was conquering the country, then it was installing a new government in Ukraine, in parallel to that it was \"denazifying the country\" by eliminating Azov. Then they released the Azovites, a few months after they captured them. Then it was defending their newly acquired oblasts, only to retreat from Kherson and Lyman.\nI feel like the only goal out of those they have stated that they are still pursuing is \"liberating Donbass\".", ">\n\nThere is no \"goal\" anymore. There is only the 'way.\" \nPutin will keep he war going and hope that he can somehow opportunisticly get to an end point that benefits him.", ">\n\nThis is not the way", ">\n\nThe way is not this", ">\n\nNot this is the way", ">\n\nSo, basically 3 are not done properly yet due to Ukraine gov failure, 1 because of EU failure and 3 have good progress. Yeah, definitely will take some time after war ends to finish all 7. Especially when some MPs keep sabotaging that progress.", ">\n\nI cant help but admire the Russian determination to die for Putin. I guess they made it a life goal of theirs to die for a dictator who couldn't give a shit about them. Maybe they love suffering. Maybe they love being able to commit a few warcrimes, act like animals, before they die. Y'know, act psychotic, steal, plunder, destroy, torture, commit a few murders and rapes before embracing your final doom. Bring nothing positive to the world. Just death and suffering. Do they think of their dear dictator living in luxury, right before death strikes them in no man's land?\nThey are being sent by the hundreds per day to die, and die, and die, and be maimed and mutilated. And yet, it doesn't seem they really care. More waves keep coming. What did they think happened to the previous waves?\nTheir culture really is fucked up. Enjoying slavely, enjoying suffering, enjoying subservience to the ''strong man'' dictator, abandonning any hope for a better future for them and their families, while the oligarchs steal and plunder the nation to their own ends, and send them to die for their own blunders and greed. Blaming everyone else for their own problems, and never even attempting to self-reflect or accept even some part of responsibility. Nihilism in its purest form.\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class. I do not deny it. But at least, we are AWARE of those problems, and we still have people who CARE and are CRITICAL of those problems, and still try to improve things. We haven't completely given up and we try to have hope and find solutions, and there are people in our societies who try to keep the powerful accountable, and are not completely cynical. We're far from perfect, but we try, and that's why people often like living in western societies. Because we try to build a decent society, we try to self-reflect, despite all of our shortcomings.\nUkraine did not attack Russia. They just wanted to be left alone, keep their 1991 borders and thrive with partners of their choice. Ukraine did not threaten anyone. They wanted democracy and self-determination. But Putin didn't give a shit. His fucking legacy, greed and delusional vision of history required him to launch one last psychotic war before he would fucking die. Piece of shit. I hope he gets to rot in hell when his time comes.", ">\n\n\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class.\n\nNot saying you meant to imply it but it is very important to not that corruption in western counties is not even remotely as bad as in places like Russia.\nFor instance my buddy in India was saying that if you don't bribe the person at the counter where you get your drivers license you'll get it in 6 months. Slip them the expected amount of money and you'll get it in a few days. Now apply that to every single government employee that you ever want to do something for you. And that includes the police, anyone that works for the government has their hand out all the time. If you don't pay maybe you don't get your license for a few extra months, or maybe you catch a beating from a cop and spend a few days in jail over what should have been a fine. And that doesn't even get into how the rich bribe higher up government officials or how much those same Indian officials steal from public funds.\nCorruption in the west is like we're playing little league and India is up in the pro's. Now keep in mind that Russia is even more corrupt than India. And unfortunately Ukraine is almost as bad as Russia. Zelensky was elected on a platform to clean government up which honestly wasn't going that well before the war, his popularity was slipping. It's obvious he's trying to take advantage of his wartime popularity to make some progress in the issue, I hope that he succeeds." ]
> Establishing a political elite causes corruption, it doesn't fight it.
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.", ">\n\nHalf a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!", ">\n\nEven back then six months ago I didn't expect Russian sycophants to wildly celebrate every time they take something like a single salt mine. Our times keeps getting wilder and wilder.", ">\n\nGrasping at straws.", ">\n\nWhat is Putin's goal in Ukraine by this point anyway?\nFirst it was conquering the country, then it was installing a new government in Ukraine, in parallel to that it was \"denazifying the country\" by eliminating Azov. Then they released the Azovites, a few months after they captured them. Then it was defending their newly acquired oblasts, only to retreat from Kherson and Lyman.\nI feel like the only goal out of those they have stated that they are still pursuing is \"liberating Donbass\".", ">\n\nThere is no \"goal\" anymore. There is only the 'way.\" \nPutin will keep he war going and hope that he can somehow opportunisticly get to an end point that benefits him.", ">\n\nThis is not the way", ">\n\nThe way is not this", ">\n\nNot this is the way", ">\n\nSo, basically 3 are not done properly yet due to Ukraine gov failure, 1 because of EU failure and 3 have good progress. Yeah, definitely will take some time after war ends to finish all 7. Especially when some MPs keep sabotaging that progress.", ">\n\nI cant help but admire the Russian determination to die for Putin. I guess they made it a life goal of theirs to die for a dictator who couldn't give a shit about them. Maybe they love suffering. Maybe they love being able to commit a few warcrimes, act like animals, before they die. Y'know, act psychotic, steal, plunder, destroy, torture, commit a few murders and rapes before embracing your final doom. Bring nothing positive to the world. Just death and suffering. Do they think of their dear dictator living in luxury, right before death strikes them in no man's land?\nThey are being sent by the hundreds per day to die, and die, and die, and be maimed and mutilated. And yet, it doesn't seem they really care. More waves keep coming. What did they think happened to the previous waves?\nTheir culture really is fucked up. Enjoying slavely, enjoying suffering, enjoying subservience to the ''strong man'' dictator, abandonning any hope for a better future for them and their families, while the oligarchs steal and plunder the nation to their own ends, and send them to die for their own blunders and greed. Blaming everyone else for their own problems, and never even attempting to self-reflect or accept even some part of responsibility. Nihilism in its purest form.\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class. I do not deny it. But at least, we are AWARE of those problems, and we still have people who CARE and are CRITICAL of those problems, and still try to improve things. We haven't completely given up and we try to have hope and find solutions, and there are people in our societies who try to keep the powerful accountable, and are not completely cynical. We're far from perfect, but we try, and that's why people often like living in western societies. Because we try to build a decent society, we try to self-reflect, despite all of our shortcomings.\nUkraine did not attack Russia. They just wanted to be left alone, keep their 1991 borders and thrive with partners of their choice. Ukraine did not threaten anyone. They wanted democracy and self-determination. But Putin didn't give a shit. His fucking legacy, greed and delusional vision of history required him to launch one last psychotic war before he would fucking die. Piece of shit. I hope he gets to rot in hell when his time comes.", ">\n\n\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class.\n\nNot saying you meant to imply it but it is very important to not that corruption in western counties is not even remotely as bad as in places like Russia.\nFor instance my buddy in India was saying that if you don't bribe the person at the counter where you get your drivers license you'll get it in 6 months. Slip them the expected amount of money and you'll get it in a few days. Now apply that to every single government employee that you ever want to do something for you. And that includes the police, anyone that works for the government has their hand out all the time. If you don't pay maybe you don't get your license for a few extra months, or maybe you catch a beating from a cop and spend a few days in jail over what should have been a fine. And that doesn't even get into how the rich bribe higher up government officials or how much those same Indian officials steal from public funds.\nCorruption in the west is like we're playing little league and India is up in the pro's. Now keep in mind that Russia is even more corrupt than India. And unfortunately Ukraine is almost as bad as Russia. Zelensky was elected on a platform to clean government up which honestly wasn't going that well before the war, his popularity was slipping. It's obvious he's trying to take advantage of his wartime popularity to make some progress in the issue, I hope that he succeeds.", ">\n\nAgreed. It is imperative for Ukraine to flush out corruption and establish a political elite and population that fights corruption rather than embrace it. Zelensky is certainly not perfect, but Im glad the conflict seems to have sped up his fight agains't corruption. I just hope our impressions are not misplaced. Ukraine must keep striving for lower corruption and more integrity. They are making efforts, I think. We will see in the coming years if the results can be seen and better measured." ]
> Slava Ukraini. Until victory.
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.", ">\n\nHalf a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!", ">\n\nEven back then six months ago I didn't expect Russian sycophants to wildly celebrate every time they take something like a single salt mine. Our times keeps getting wilder and wilder.", ">\n\nGrasping at straws.", ">\n\nWhat is Putin's goal in Ukraine by this point anyway?\nFirst it was conquering the country, then it was installing a new government in Ukraine, in parallel to that it was \"denazifying the country\" by eliminating Azov. Then they released the Azovites, a few months after they captured them. Then it was defending their newly acquired oblasts, only to retreat from Kherson and Lyman.\nI feel like the only goal out of those they have stated that they are still pursuing is \"liberating Donbass\".", ">\n\nThere is no \"goal\" anymore. There is only the 'way.\" \nPutin will keep he war going and hope that he can somehow opportunisticly get to an end point that benefits him.", ">\n\nThis is not the way", ">\n\nThe way is not this", ">\n\nNot this is the way", ">\n\nSo, basically 3 are not done properly yet due to Ukraine gov failure, 1 because of EU failure and 3 have good progress. Yeah, definitely will take some time after war ends to finish all 7. Especially when some MPs keep sabotaging that progress.", ">\n\nI cant help but admire the Russian determination to die for Putin. I guess they made it a life goal of theirs to die for a dictator who couldn't give a shit about them. Maybe they love suffering. Maybe they love being able to commit a few warcrimes, act like animals, before they die. Y'know, act psychotic, steal, plunder, destroy, torture, commit a few murders and rapes before embracing your final doom. Bring nothing positive to the world. Just death and suffering. Do they think of their dear dictator living in luxury, right before death strikes them in no man's land?\nThey are being sent by the hundreds per day to die, and die, and die, and be maimed and mutilated. And yet, it doesn't seem they really care. More waves keep coming. What did they think happened to the previous waves?\nTheir culture really is fucked up. Enjoying slavely, enjoying suffering, enjoying subservience to the ''strong man'' dictator, abandonning any hope for a better future for them and their families, while the oligarchs steal and plunder the nation to their own ends, and send them to die for their own blunders and greed. Blaming everyone else for their own problems, and never even attempting to self-reflect or accept even some part of responsibility. Nihilism in its purest form.\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class. I do not deny it. But at least, we are AWARE of those problems, and we still have people who CARE and are CRITICAL of those problems, and still try to improve things. We haven't completely given up and we try to have hope and find solutions, and there are people in our societies who try to keep the powerful accountable, and are not completely cynical. We're far from perfect, but we try, and that's why people often like living in western societies. Because we try to build a decent society, we try to self-reflect, despite all of our shortcomings.\nUkraine did not attack Russia. They just wanted to be left alone, keep their 1991 borders and thrive with partners of their choice. Ukraine did not threaten anyone. They wanted democracy and self-determination. But Putin didn't give a shit. His fucking legacy, greed and delusional vision of history required him to launch one last psychotic war before he would fucking die. Piece of shit. I hope he gets to rot in hell when his time comes.", ">\n\n\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class.\n\nNot saying you meant to imply it but it is very important to not that corruption in western counties is not even remotely as bad as in places like Russia.\nFor instance my buddy in India was saying that if you don't bribe the person at the counter where you get your drivers license you'll get it in 6 months. Slip them the expected amount of money and you'll get it in a few days. Now apply that to every single government employee that you ever want to do something for you. And that includes the police, anyone that works for the government has their hand out all the time. If you don't pay maybe you don't get your license for a few extra months, or maybe you catch a beating from a cop and spend a few days in jail over what should have been a fine. And that doesn't even get into how the rich bribe higher up government officials or how much those same Indian officials steal from public funds.\nCorruption in the west is like we're playing little league and India is up in the pro's. Now keep in mind that Russia is even more corrupt than India. And unfortunately Ukraine is almost as bad as Russia. Zelensky was elected on a platform to clean government up which honestly wasn't going that well before the war, his popularity was slipping. It's obvious he's trying to take advantage of his wartime popularity to make some progress in the issue, I hope that he succeeds.", ">\n\nAgreed. It is imperative for Ukraine to flush out corruption and establish a political elite and population that fights corruption rather than embrace it. Zelensky is certainly not perfect, but Im glad the conflict seems to have sped up his fight agains't corruption. I just hope our impressions are not misplaced. Ukraine must keep striving for lower corruption and more integrity. They are making efforts, I think. We will see in the coming years if the results can be seen and better measured.", ">\n\nEstablishing a political elite causes corruption, it doesn't fight it." ]
> Heroiam Slava!
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.", ">\n\nHalf a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!", ">\n\nEven back then six months ago I didn't expect Russian sycophants to wildly celebrate every time they take something like a single salt mine. Our times keeps getting wilder and wilder.", ">\n\nGrasping at straws.", ">\n\nWhat is Putin's goal in Ukraine by this point anyway?\nFirst it was conquering the country, then it was installing a new government in Ukraine, in parallel to that it was \"denazifying the country\" by eliminating Azov. Then they released the Azovites, a few months after they captured them. Then it was defending their newly acquired oblasts, only to retreat from Kherson and Lyman.\nI feel like the only goal out of those they have stated that they are still pursuing is \"liberating Donbass\".", ">\n\nThere is no \"goal\" anymore. There is only the 'way.\" \nPutin will keep he war going and hope that he can somehow opportunisticly get to an end point that benefits him.", ">\n\nThis is not the way", ">\n\nThe way is not this", ">\n\nNot this is the way", ">\n\nSo, basically 3 are not done properly yet due to Ukraine gov failure, 1 because of EU failure and 3 have good progress. Yeah, definitely will take some time after war ends to finish all 7. Especially when some MPs keep sabotaging that progress.", ">\n\nI cant help but admire the Russian determination to die for Putin. I guess they made it a life goal of theirs to die for a dictator who couldn't give a shit about them. Maybe they love suffering. Maybe they love being able to commit a few warcrimes, act like animals, before they die. Y'know, act psychotic, steal, plunder, destroy, torture, commit a few murders and rapes before embracing your final doom. Bring nothing positive to the world. Just death and suffering. Do they think of their dear dictator living in luxury, right before death strikes them in no man's land?\nThey are being sent by the hundreds per day to die, and die, and die, and be maimed and mutilated. And yet, it doesn't seem they really care. More waves keep coming. What did they think happened to the previous waves?\nTheir culture really is fucked up. Enjoying slavely, enjoying suffering, enjoying subservience to the ''strong man'' dictator, abandonning any hope for a better future for them and their families, while the oligarchs steal and plunder the nation to their own ends, and send them to die for their own blunders and greed. Blaming everyone else for their own problems, and never even attempting to self-reflect or accept even some part of responsibility. Nihilism in its purest form.\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class. I do not deny it. But at least, we are AWARE of those problems, and we still have people who CARE and are CRITICAL of those problems, and still try to improve things. We haven't completely given up and we try to have hope and find solutions, and there are people in our societies who try to keep the powerful accountable, and are not completely cynical. We're far from perfect, but we try, and that's why people often like living in western societies. Because we try to build a decent society, we try to self-reflect, despite all of our shortcomings.\nUkraine did not attack Russia. They just wanted to be left alone, keep their 1991 borders and thrive with partners of their choice. Ukraine did not threaten anyone. They wanted democracy and self-determination. But Putin didn't give a shit. His fucking legacy, greed and delusional vision of history required him to launch one last psychotic war before he would fucking die. Piece of shit. I hope he gets to rot in hell when his time comes.", ">\n\n\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class.\n\nNot saying you meant to imply it but it is very important to not that corruption in western counties is not even remotely as bad as in places like Russia.\nFor instance my buddy in India was saying that if you don't bribe the person at the counter where you get your drivers license you'll get it in 6 months. Slip them the expected amount of money and you'll get it in a few days. Now apply that to every single government employee that you ever want to do something for you. And that includes the police, anyone that works for the government has their hand out all the time. If you don't pay maybe you don't get your license for a few extra months, or maybe you catch a beating from a cop and spend a few days in jail over what should have been a fine. And that doesn't even get into how the rich bribe higher up government officials or how much those same Indian officials steal from public funds.\nCorruption in the west is like we're playing little league and India is up in the pro's. Now keep in mind that Russia is even more corrupt than India. And unfortunately Ukraine is almost as bad as Russia. Zelensky was elected on a platform to clean government up which honestly wasn't going that well before the war, his popularity was slipping. It's obvious he's trying to take advantage of his wartime popularity to make some progress in the issue, I hope that he succeeds.", ">\n\nAgreed. It is imperative for Ukraine to flush out corruption and establish a political elite and population that fights corruption rather than embrace it. Zelensky is certainly not perfect, but Im glad the conflict seems to have sped up his fight agains't corruption. I just hope our impressions are not misplaced. Ukraine must keep striving for lower corruption and more integrity. They are making efforts, I think. We will see in the coming years if the results can be seen and better measured.", ">\n\nEstablishing a political elite causes corruption, it doesn't fight it.", ">\n\nSlava Ukraini. Until victory." ]
> Russia has been messing in our internal politics for a long time with scary effectiveness. When Ukraine was invaded I am not gonna lie I was scared that I would be fighting in WW3 in a few days or at best fight in it in a few years. But seeing how things have went I no longer have that fear. If anything I am glad the masks are finally off.
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.", ">\n\nHalf a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!", ">\n\nEven back then six months ago I didn't expect Russian sycophants to wildly celebrate every time they take something like a single salt mine. Our times keeps getting wilder and wilder.", ">\n\nGrasping at straws.", ">\n\nWhat is Putin's goal in Ukraine by this point anyway?\nFirst it was conquering the country, then it was installing a new government in Ukraine, in parallel to that it was \"denazifying the country\" by eliminating Azov. Then they released the Azovites, a few months after they captured them. Then it was defending their newly acquired oblasts, only to retreat from Kherson and Lyman.\nI feel like the only goal out of those they have stated that they are still pursuing is \"liberating Donbass\".", ">\n\nThere is no \"goal\" anymore. There is only the 'way.\" \nPutin will keep he war going and hope that he can somehow opportunisticly get to an end point that benefits him.", ">\n\nThis is not the way", ">\n\nThe way is not this", ">\n\nNot this is the way", ">\n\nSo, basically 3 are not done properly yet due to Ukraine gov failure, 1 because of EU failure and 3 have good progress. Yeah, definitely will take some time after war ends to finish all 7. Especially when some MPs keep sabotaging that progress.", ">\n\nI cant help but admire the Russian determination to die for Putin. I guess they made it a life goal of theirs to die for a dictator who couldn't give a shit about them. Maybe they love suffering. Maybe they love being able to commit a few warcrimes, act like animals, before they die. Y'know, act psychotic, steal, plunder, destroy, torture, commit a few murders and rapes before embracing your final doom. Bring nothing positive to the world. Just death and suffering. Do they think of their dear dictator living in luxury, right before death strikes them in no man's land?\nThey are being sent by the hundreds per day to die, and die, and die, and be maimed and mutilated. And yet, it doesn't seem they really care. More waves keep coming. What did they think happened to the previous waves?\nTheir culture really is fucked up. Enjoying slavely, enjoying suffering, enjoying subservience to the ''strong man'' dictator, abandonning any hope for a better future for them and their families, while the oligarchs steal and plunder the nation to their own ends, and send them to die for their own blunders and greed. Blaming everyone else for their own problems, and never even attempting to self-reflect or accept even some part of responsibility. Nihilism in its purest form.\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class. I do not deny it. But at least, we are AWARE of those problems, and we still have people who CARE and are CRITICAL of those problems, and still try to improve things. We haven't completely given up and we try to have hope and find solutions, and there are people in our societies who try to keep the powerful accountable, and are not completely cynical. We're far from perfect, but we try, and that's why people often like living in western societies. Because we try to build a decent society, we try to self-reflect, despite all of our shortcomings.\nUkraine did not attack Russia. They just wanted to be left alone, keep their 1991 borders and thrive with partners of their choice. Ukraine did not threaten anyone. They wanted democracy and self-determination. But Putin didn't give a shit. His fucking legacy, greed and delusional vision of history required him to launch one last psychotic war before he would fucking die. Piece of shit. I hope he gets to rot in hell when his time comes.", ">\n\n\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class.\n\nNot saying you meant to imply it but it is very important to not that corruption in western counties is not even remotely as bad as in places like Russia.\nFor instance my buddy in India was saying that if you don't bribe the person at the counter where you get your drivers license you'll get it in 6 months. Slip them the expected amount of money and you'll get it in a few days. Now apply that to every single government employee that you ever want to do something for you. And that includes the police, anyone that works for the government has their hand out all the time. If you don't pay maybe you don't get your license for a few extra months, or maybe you catch a beating from a cop and spend a few days in jail over what should have been a fine. And that doesn't even get into how the rich bribe higher up government officials or how much those same Indian officials steal from public funds.\nCorruption in the west is like we're playing little league and India is up in the pro's. Now keep in mind that Russia is even more corrupt than India. And unfortunately Ukraine is almost as bad as Russia. Zelensky was elected on a platform to clean government up which honestly wasn't going that well before the war, his popularity was slipping. It's obvious he's trying to take advantage of his wartime popularity to make some progress in the issue, I hope that he succeeds.", ">\n\nAgreed. It is imperative for Ukraine to flush out corruption and establish a political elite and population that fights corruption rather than embrace it. Zelensky is certainly not perfect, but Im glad the conflict seems to have sped up his fight agains't corruption. I just hope our impressions are not misplaced. Ukraine must keep striving for lower corruption and more integrity. They are making efforts, I think. We will see in the coming years if the results can be seen and better measured.", ">\n\nEstablishing a political elite causes corruption, it doesn't fight it.", ">\n\nSlava Ukraini. Until victory.", ">\n\nHeroiam Slava!" ]
> Boy is that tweet ever covered in weird pro Russian nut job tweets. I see them more often now. Is botting ramping up or just more noticeable as more sane people left Twitter lately? They also always tend to type like right wing Facebook boomers. Lots of 🤣🤣🤣 shit that signals you're dealing with someone with lead poisoning.
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.", ">\n\nHalf a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!", ">\n\nEven back then six months ago I didn't expect Russian sycophants to wildly celebrate every time they take something like a single salt mine. Our times keeps getting wilder and wilder.", ">\n\nGrasping at straws.", ">\n\nWhat is Putin's goal in Ukraine by this point anyway?\nFirst it was conquering the country, then it was installing a new government in Ukraine, in parallel to that it was \"denazifying the country\" by eliminating Azov. Then they released the Azovites, a few months after they captured them. Then it was defending their newly acquired oblasts, only to retreat from Kherson and Lyman.\nI feel like the only goal out of those they have stated that they are still pursuing is \"liberating Donbass\".", ">\n\nThere is no \"goal\" anymore. There is only the 'way.\" \nPutin will keep he war going and hope that he can somehow opportunisticly get to an end point that benefits him.", ">\n\nThis is not the way", ">\n\nThe way is not this", ">\n\nNot this is the way", ">\n\nSo, basically 3 are not done properly yet due to Ukraine gov failure, 1 because of EU failure and 3 have good progress. Yeah, definitely will take some time after war ends to finish all 7. Especially when some MPs keep sabotaging that progress.", ">\n\nI cant help but admire the Russian determination to die for Putin. I guess they made it a life goal of theirs to die for a dictator who couldn't give a shit about them. Maybe they love suffering. Maybe they love being able to commit a few warcrimes, act like animals, before they die. Y'know, act psychotic, steal, plunder, destroy, torture, commit a few murders and rapes before embracing your final doom. Bring nothing positive to the world. Just death and suffering. Do they think of their dear dictator living in luxury, right before death strikes them in no man's land?\nThey are being sent by the hundreds per day to die, and die, and die, and be maimed and mutilated. And yet, it doesn't seem they really care. More waves keep coming. What did they think happened to the previous waves?\nTheir culture really is fucked up. Enjoying slavely, enjoying suffering, enjoying subservience to the ''strong man'' dictator, abandonning any hope for a better future for them and their families, while the oligarchs steal and plunder the nation to their own ends, and send them to die for their own blunders and greed. Blaming everyone else for their own problems, and never even attempting to self-reflect or accept even some part of responsibility. Nihilism in its purest form.\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class. I do not deny it. But at least, we are AWARE of those problems, and we still have people who CARE and are CRITICAL of those problems, and still try to improve things. We haven't completely given up and we try to have hope and find solutions, and there are people in our societies who try to keep the powerful accountable, and are not completely cynical. We're far from perfect, but we try, and that's why people often like living in western societies. Because we try to build a decent society, we try to self-reflect, despite all of our shortcomings.\nUkraine did not attack Russia. They just wanted to be left alone, keep their 1991 borders and thrive with partners of their choice. Ukraine did not threaten anyone. They wanted democracy and self-determination. But Putin didn't give a shit. His fucking legacy, greed and delusional vision of history required him to launch one last psychotic war before he would fucking die. Piece of shit. I hope he gets to rot in hell when his time comes.", ">\n\n\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class.\n\nNot saying you meant to imply it but it is very important to not that corruption in western counties is not even remotely as bad as in places like Russia.\nFor instance my buddy in India was saying that if you don't bribe the person at the counter where you get your drivers license you'll get it in 6 months. Slip them the expected amount of money and you'll get it in a few days. Now apply that to every single government employee that you ever want to do something for you. And that includes the police, anyone that works for the government has their hand out all the time. If you don't pay maybe you don't get your license for a few extra months, or maybe you catch a beating from a cop and spend a few days in jail over what should have been a fine. And that doesn't even get into how the rich bribe higher up government officials or how much those same Indian officials steal from public funds.\nCorruption in the west is like we're playing little league and India is up in the pro's. Now keep in mind that Russia is even more corrupt than India. And unfortunately Ukraine is almost as bad as Russia. Zelensky was elected on a platform to clean government up which honestly wasn't going that well before the war, his popularity was slipping. It's obvious he's trying to take advantage of his wartime popularity to make some progress in the issue, I hope that he succeeds.", ">\n\nAgreed. It is imperative for Ukraine to flush out corruption and establish a political elite and population that fights corruption rather than embrace it. Zelensky is certainly not perfect, but Im glad the conflict seems to have sped up his fight agains't corruption. I just hope our impressions are not misplaced. Ukraine must keep striving for lower corruption and more integrity. They are making efforts, I think. We will see in the coming years if the results can be seen and better measured.", ">\n\nEstablishing a political elite causes corruption, it doesn't fight it.", ">\n\nSlava Ukraini. Until victory.", ">\n\nHeroiam Slava!", ">\n\nRussia has been messing in our internal politics for a long time with scary effectiveness. When Ukraine was invaded I am not gonna lie I was scared that I would be fighting in WW3 in a few days or at best fight in it in a few years. But seeing how things have went I no longer have that fear. If anything I am glad the masks are finally off." ]
> Most of them aren't 'real' people. Click on their profiles, look through their media for pictures of themselves or with family. Look through what they Tweet about. It's all about one particular topic, with some dodgy profile picture that could be anyone. These 'people' come across as real, will be verified (i.e. just buying a profile) but don't actually exist. Not bots, but not actual people either.
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.", ">\n\nHalf a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!", ">\n\nEven back then six months ago I didn't expect Russian sycophants to wildly celebrate every time they take something like a single salt mine. Our times keeps getting wilder and wilder.", ">\n\nGrasping at straws.", ">\n\nWhat is Putin's goal in Ukraine by this point anyway?\nFirst it was conquering the country, then it was installing a new government in Ukraine, in parallel to that it was \"denazifying the country\" by eliminating Azov. Then they released the Azovites, a few months after they captured them. Then it was defending their newly acquired oblasts, only to retreat from Kherson and Lyman.\nI feel like the only goal out of those they have stated that they are still pursuing is \"liberating Donbass\".", ">\n\nThere is no \"goal\" anymore. There is only the 'way.\" \nPutin will keep he war going and hope that he can somehow opportunisticly get to an end point that benefits him.", ">\n\nThis is not the way", ">\n\nThe way is not this", ">\n\nNot this is the way", ">\n\nSo, basically 3 are not done properly yet due to Ukraine gov failure, 1 because of EU failure and 3 have good progress. Yeah, definitely will take some time after war ends to finish all 7. Especially when some MPs keep sabotaging that progress.", ">\n\nI cant help but admire the Russian determination to die for Putin. I guess they made it a life goal of theirs to die for a dictator who couldn't give a shit about them. Maybe they love suffering. Maybe they love being able to commit a few warcrimes, act like animals, before they die. Y'know, act psychotic, steal, plunder, destroy, torture, commit a few murders and rapes before embracing your final doom. Bring nothing positive to the world. Just death and suffering. Do they think of their dear dictator living in luxury, right before death strikes them in no man's land?\nThey are being sent by the hundreds per day to die, and die, and die, and be maimed and mutilated. And yet, it doesn't seem they really care. More waves keep coming. What did they think happened to the previous waves?\nTheir culture really is fucked up. Enjoying slavely, enjoying suffering, enjoying subservience to the ''strong man'' dictator, abandonning any hope for a better future for them and their families, while the oligarchs steal and plunder the nation to their own ends, and send them to die for their own blunders and greed. Blaming everyone else for their own problems, and never even attempting to self-reflect or accept even some part of responsibility. Nihilism in its purest form.\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class. I do not deny it. But at least, we are AWARE of those problems, and we still have people who CARE and are CRITICAL of those problems, and still try to improve things. We haven't completely given up and we try to have hope and find solutions, and there are people in our societies who try to keep the powerful accountable, and are not completely cynical. We're far from perfect, but we try, and that's why people often like living in western societies. Because we try to build a decent society, we try to self-reflect, despite all of our shortcomings.\nUkraine did not attack Russia. They just wanted to be left alone, keep their 1991 borders and thrive with partners of their choice. Ukraine did not threaten anyone. They wanted democracy and self-determination. But Putin didn't give a shit. His fucking legacy, greed and delusional vision of history required him to launch one last psychotic war before he would fucking die. Piece of shit. I hope he gets to rot in hell when his time comes.", ">\n\n\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class.\n\nNot saying you meant to imply it but it is very important to not that corruption in western counties is not even remotely as bad as in places like Russia.\nFor instance my buddy in India was saying that if you don't bribe the person at the counter where you get your drivers license you'll get it in 6 months. Slip them the expected amount of money and you'll get it in a few days. Now apply that to every single government employee that you ever want to do something for you. And that includes the police, anyone that works for the government has their hand out all the time. If you don't pay maybe you don't get your license for a few extra months, or maybe you catch a beating from a cop and spend a few days in jail over what should have been a fine. And that doesn't even get into how the rich bribe higher up government officials or how much those same Indian officials steal from public funds.\nCorruption in the west is like we're playing little league and India is up in the pro's. Now keep in mind that Russia is even more corrupt than India. And unfortunately Ukraine is almost as bad as Russia. Zelensky was elected on a platform to clean government up which honestly wasn't going that well before the war, his popularity was slipping. It's obvious he's trying to take advantage of his wartime popularity to make some progress in the issue, I hope that he succeeds.", ">\n\nAgreed. It is imperative for Ukraine to flush out corruption and establish a political elite and population that fights corruption rather than embrace it. Zelensky is certainly not perfect, but Im glad the conflict seems to have sped up his fight agains't corruption. I just hope our impressions are not misplaced. Ukraine must keep striving for lower corruption and more integrity. They are making efforts, I think. We will see in the coming years if the results can be seen and better measured.", ">\n\nEstablishing a political elite causes corruption, it doesn't fight it.", ">\n\nSlava Ukraini. Until victory.", ">\n\nHeroiam Slava!", ">\n\nRussia has been messing in our internal politics for a long time with scary effectiveness. When Ukraine was invaded I am not gonna lie I was scared that I would be fighting in WW3 in a few days or at best fight in it in a few years. But seeing how things have went I no longer have that fear. If anything I am glad the masks are finally off.", ">\n\nBoy is that tweet ever covered in weird pro Russian nut job tweets.\nI see them more often now. Is botting ramping up or just more noticeable as more sane people left Twitter lately? They also always tend to type like right wing Facebook boomers. Lots of 🤣🤣🤣 shit that signals you're dealing with someone with lead poisoning." ]
> Like, there's no way the Kadri fanboy account is anything but a bot. No one would be that pathetic.
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.", ">\n\nHalf a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!", ">\n\nEven back then six months ago I didn't expect Russian sycophants to wildly celebrate every time they take something like a single salt mine. Our times keeps getting wilder and wilder.", ">\n\nGrasping at straws.", ">\n\nWhat is Putin's goal in Ukraine by this point anyway?\nFirst it was conquering the country, then it was installing a new government in Ukraine, in parallel to that it was \"denazifying the country\" by eliminating Azov. Then they released the Azovites, a few months after they captured them. Then it was defending their newly acquired oblasts, only to retreat from Kherson and Lyman.\nI feel like the only goal out of those they have stated that they are still pursuing is \"liberating Donbass\".", ">\n\nThere is no \"goal\" anymore. There is only the 'way.\" \nPutin will keep he war going and hope that he can somehow opportunisticly get to an end point that benefits him.", ">\n\nThis is not the way", ">\n\nThe way is not this", ">\n\nNot this is the way", ">\n\nSo, basically 3 are not done properly yet due to Ukraine gov failure, 1 because of EU failure and 3 have good progress. Yeah, definitely will take some time after war ends to finish all 7. Especially when some MPs keep sabotaging that progress.", ">\n\nI cant help but admire the Russian determination to die for Putin. I guess they made it a life goal of theirs to die for a dictator who couldn't give a shit about them. Maybe they love suffering. Maybe they love being able to commit a few warcrimes, act like animals, before they die. Y'know, act psychotic, steal, plunder, destroy, torture, commit a few murders and rapes before embracing your final doom. Bring nothing positive to the world. Just death and suffering. Do they think of their dear dictator living in luxury, right before death strikes them in no man's land?\nThey are being sent by the hundreds per day to die, and die, and die, and be maimed and mutilated. And yet, it doesn't seem they really care. More waves keep coming. What did they think happened to the previous waves?\nTheir culture really is fucked up. Enjoying slavely, enjoying suffering, enjoying subservience to the ''strong man'' dictator, abandonning any hope for a better future for them and their families, while the oligarchs steal and plunder the nation to their own ends, and send them to die for their own blunders and greed. Blaming everyone else for their own problems, and never even attempting to self-reflect or accept even some part of responsibility. Nihilism in its purest form.\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class. I do not deny it. But at least, we are AWARE of those problems, and we still have people who CARE and are CRITICAL of those problems, and still try to improve things. We haven't completely given up and we try to have hope and find solutions, and there are people in our societies who try to keep the powerful accountable, and are not completely cynical. We're far from perfect, but we try, and that's why people often like living in western societies. Because we try to build a decent society, we try to self-reflect, despite all of our shortcomings.\nUkraine did not attack Russia. They just wanted to be left alone, keep their 1991 borders and thrive with partners of their choice. Ukraine did not threaten anyone. They wanted democracy and self-determination. But Putin didn't give a shit. His fucking legacy, greed and delusional vision of history required him to launch one last psychotic war before he would fucking die. Piece of shit. I hope he gets to rot in hell when his time comes.", ">\n\n\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class.\n\nNot saying you meant to imply it but it is very important to not that corruption in western counties is not even remotely as bad as in places like Russia.\nFor instance my buddy in India was saying that if you don't bribe the person at the counter where you get your drivers license you'll get it in 6 months. Slip them the expected amount of money and you'll get it in a few days. Now apply that to every single government employee that you ever want to do something for you. And that includes the police, anyone that works for the government has their hand out all the time. If you don't pay maybe you don't get your license for a few extra months, or maybe you catch a beating from a cop and spend a few days in jail over what should have been a fine. And that doesn't even get into how the rich bribe higher up government officials or how much those same Indian officials steal from public funds.\nCorruption in the west is like we're playing little league and India is up in the pro's. Now keep in mind that Russia is even more corrupt than India. And unfortunately Ukraine is almost as bad as Russia. Zelensky was elected on a platform to clean government up which honestly wasn't going that well before the war, his popularity was slipping. It's obvious he's trying to take advantage of his wartime popularity to make some progress in the issue, I hope that he succeeds.", ">\n\nAgreed. It is imperative for Ukraine to flush out corruption and establish a political elite and population that fights corruption rather than embrace it. Zelensky is certainly not perfect, but Im glad the conflict seems to have sped up his fight agains't corruption. I just hope our impressions are not misplaced. Ukraine must keep striving for lower corruption and more integrity. They are making efforts, I think. We will see in the coming years if the results can be seen and better measured.", ">\n\nEstablishing a political elite causes corruption, it doesn't fight it.", ">\n\nSlava Ukraini. Until victory.", ">\n\nHeroiam Slava!", ">\n\nRussia has been messing in our internal politics for a long time with scary effectiveness. When Ukraine was invaded I am not gonna lie I was scared that I would be fighting in WW3 in a few days or at best fight in it in a few years. But seeing how things have went I no longer have that fear. If anything I am glad the masks are finally off.", ">\n\nBoy is that tweet ever covered in weird pro Russian nut job tweets.\nI see them more often now. Is botting ramping up or just more noticeable as more sane people left Twitter lately? They also always tend to type like right wing Facebook boomers. Lots of 🤣🤣🤣 shit that signals you're dealing with someone with lead poisoning.", ">\n\nMost of them aren't 'real' people. Click on their profiles, look through their media for pictures of themselves or with family. Look through what they Tweet about. It's all about one particular topic, with some dodgy profile picture that could be anyone. These 'people' come across as real, will be verified (i.e. just buying a profile) but don't actually exist. Not bots, but not actual people either." ]
> How much longer can Russia's crumbling army can last?
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.", ">\n\nHalf a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!", ">\n\nEven back then six months ago I didn't expect Russian sycophants to wildly celebrate every time they take something like a single salt mine. Our times keeps getting wilder and wilder.", ">\n\nGrasping at straws.", ">\n\nWhat is Putin's goal in Ukraine by this point anyway?\nFirst it was conquering the country, then it was installing a new government in Ukraine, in parallel to that it was \"denazifying the country\" by eliminating Azov. Then they released the Azovites, a few months after they captured them. Then it was defending their newly acquired oblasts, only to retreat from Kherson and Lyman.\nI feel like the only goal out of those they have stated that they are still pursuing is \"liberating Donbass\".", ">\n\nThere is no \"goal\" anymore. There is only the 'way.\" \nPutin will keep he war going and hope that he can somehow opportunisticly get to an end point that benefits him.", ">\n\nThis is not the way", ">\n\nThe way is not this", ">\n\nNot this is the way", ">\n\nSo, basically 3 are not done properly yet due to Ukraine gov failure, 1 because of EU failure and 3 have good progress. Yeah, definitely will take some time after war ends to finish all 7. Especially when some MPs keep sabotaging that progress.", ">\n\nI cant help but admire the Russian determination to die for Putin. I guess they made it a life goal of theirs to die for a dictator who couldn't give a shit about them. Maybe they love suffering. Maybe they love being able to commit a few warcrimes, act like animals, before they die. Y'know, act psychotic, steal, plunder, destroy, torture, commit a few murders and rapes before embracing your final doom. Bring nothing positive to the world. Just death and suffering. Do they think of their dear dictator living in luxury, right before death strikes them in no man's land?\nThey are being sent by the hundreds per day to die, and die, and die, and be maimed and mutilated. And yet, it doesn't seem they really care. More waves keep coming. What did they think happened to the previous waves?\nTheir culture really is fucked up. Enjoying slavely, enjoying suffering, enjoying subservience to the ''strong man'' dictator, abandonning any hope for a better future for them and their families, while the oligarchs steal and plunder the nation to their own ends, and send them to die for their own blunders and greed. Blaming everyone else for their own problems, and never even attempting to self-reflect or accept even some part of responsibility. Nihilism in its purest form.\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class. I do not deny it. But at least, we are AWARE of those problems, and we still have people who CARE and are CRITICAL of those problems, and still try to improve things. We haven't completely given up and we try to have hope and find solutions, and there are people in our societies who try to keep the powerful accountable, and are not completely cynical. We're far from perfect, but we try, and that's why people often like living in western societies. Because we try to build a decent society, we try to self-reflect, despite all of our shortcomings.\nUkraine did not attack Russia. They just wanted to be left alone, keep their 1991 borders and thrive with partners of their choice. Ukraine did not threaten anyone. They wanted democracy and self-determination. But Putin didn't give a shit. His fucking legacy, greed and delusional vision of history required him to launch one last psychotic war before he would fucking die. Piece of shit. I hope he gets to rot in hell when his time comes.", ">\n\n\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class.\n\nNot saying you meant to imply it but it is very important to not that corruption in western counties is not even remotely as bad as in places like Russia.\nFor instance my buddy in India was saying that if you don't bribe the person at the counter where you get your drivers license you'll get it in 6 months. Slip them the expected amount of money and you'll get it in a few days. Now apply that to every single government employee that you ever want to do something for you. And that includes the police, anyone that works for the government has their hand out all the time. If you don't pay maybe you don't get your license for a few extra months, or maybe you catch a beating from a cop and spend a few days in jail over what should have been a fine. And that doesn't even get into how the rich bribe higher up government officials or how much those same Indian officials steal from public funds.\nCorruption in the west is like we're playing little league and India is up in the pro's. Now keep in mind that Russia is even more corrupt than India. And unfortunately Ukraine is almost as bad as Russia. Zelensky was elected on a platform to clean government up which honestly wasn't going that well before the war, his popularity was slipping. It's obvious he's trying to take advantage of his wartime popularity to make some progress in the issue, I hope that he succeeds.", ">\n\nAgreed. It is imperative for Ukraine to flush out corruption and establish a political elite and population that fights corruption rather than embrace it. Zelensky is certainly not perfect, but Im glad the conflict seems to have sped up his fight agains't corruption. I just hope our impressions are not misplaced. Ukraine must keep striving for lower corruption and more integrity. They are making efforts, I think. We will see in the coming years if the results can be seen and better measured.", ">\n\nEstablishing a political elite causes corruption, it doesn't fight it.", ">\n\nSlava Ukraini. Until victory.", ">\n\nHeroiam Slava!", ">\n\nRussia has been messing in our internal politics for a long time with scary effectiveness. When Ukraine was invaded I am not gonna lie I was scared that I would be fighting in WW3 in a few days or at best fight in it in a few years. But seeing how things have went I no longer have that fear. If anything I am glad the masks are finally off.", ">\n\nBoy is that tweet ever covered in weird pro Russian nut job tweets.\nI see them more often now. Is botting ramping up or just more noticeable as more sane people left Twitter lately? They also always tend to type like right wing Facebook boomers. Lots of 🤣🤣🤣 shit that signals you're dealing with someone with lead poisoning.", ">\n\nMost of them aren't 'real' people. Click on their profiles, look through their media for pictures of themselves or with family. Look through what they Tweet about. It's all about one particular topic, with some dodgy profile picture that could be anyone. These 'people' come across as real, will be verified (i.e. just buying a profile) but don't actually exist. Not bots, but not actual people either.", ">\n\nLike, there's no way the Kadri fanboy account is anything but a bot. No one would be that pathetic." ]
> I wouldn't underestimate them.
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.", ">\n\nHalf a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!", ">\n\nEven back then six months ago I didn't expect Russian sycophants to wildly celebrate every time they take something like a single salt mine. Our times keeps getting wilder and wilder.", ">\n\nGrasping at straws.", ">\n\nWhat is Putin's goal in Ukraine by this point anyway?\nFirst it was conquering the country, then it was installing a new government in Ukraine, in parallel to that it was \"denazifying the country\" by eliminating Azov. Then they released the Azovites, a few months after they captured them. Then it was defending their newly acquired oblasts, only to retreat from Kherson and Lyman.\nI feel like the only goal out of those they have stated that they are still pursuing is \"liberating Donbass\".", ">\n\nThere is no \"goal\" anymore. There is only the 'way.\" \nPutin will keep he war going and hope that he can somehow opportunisticly get to an end point that benefits him.", ">\n\nThis is not the way", ">\n\nThe way is not this", ">\n\nNot this is the way", ">\n\nSo, basically 3 are not done properly yet due to Ukraine gov failure, 1 because of EU failure and 3 have good progress. Yeah, definitely will take some time after war ends to finish all 7. Especially when some MPs keep sabotaging that progress.", ">\n\nI cant help but admire the Russian determination to die for Putin. I guess they made it a life goal of theirs to die for a dictator who couldn't give a shit about them. Maybe they love suffering. Maybe they love being able to commit a few warcrimes, act like animals, before they die. Y'know, act psychotic, steal, plunder, destroy, torture, commit a few murders and rapes before embracing your final doom. Bring nothing positive to the world. Just death and suffering. Do they think of their dear dictator living in luxury, right before death strikes them in no man's land?\nThey are being sent by the hundreds per day to die, and die, and die, and be maimed and mutilated. And yet, it doesn't seem they really care. More waves keep coming. What did they think happened to the previous waves?\nTheir culture really is fucked up. Enjoying slavely, enjoying suffering, enjoying subservience to the ''strong man'' dictator, abandonning any hope for a better future for them and their families, while the oligarchs steal and plunder the nation to their own ends, and send them to die for their own blunders and greed. Blaming everyone else for their own problems, and never even attempting to self-reflect or accept even some part of responsibility. Nihilism in its purest form.\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class. I do not deny it. But at least, we are AWARE of those problems, and we still have people who CARE and are CRITICAL of those problems, and still try to improve things. We haven't completely given up and we try to have hope and find solutions, and there are people in our societies who try to keep the powerful accountable, and are not completely cynical. We're far from perfect, but we try, and that's why people often like living in western societies. Because we try to build a decent society, we try to self-reflect, despite all of our shortcomings.\nUkraine did not attack Russia. They just wanted to be left alone, keep their 1991 borders and thrive with partners of their choice. Ukraine did not threaten anyone. They wanted democracy and self-determination. But Putin didn't give a shit. His fucking legacy, greed and delusional vision of history required him to launch one last psychotic war before he would fucking die. Piece of shit. I hope he gets to rot in hell when his time comes.", ">\n\n\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class.\n\nNot saying you meant to imply it but it is very important to not that corruption in western counties is not even remotely as bad as in places like Russia.\nFor instance my buddy in India was saying that if you don't bribe the person at the counter where you get your drivers license you'll get it in 6 months. Slip them the expected amount of money and you'll get it in a few days. Now apply that to every single government employee that you ever want to do something for you. And that includes the police, anyone that works for the government has their hand out all the time. If you don't pay maybe you don't get your license for a few extra months, or maybe you catch a beating from a cop and spend a few days in jail over what should have been a fine. And that doesn't even get into how the rich bribe higher up government officials or how much those same Indian officials steal from public funds.\nCorruption in the west is like we're playing little league and India is up in the pro's. Now keep in mind that Russia is even more corrupt than India. And unfortunately Ukraine is almost as bad as Russia. Zelensky was elected on a platform to clean government up which honestly wasn't going that well before the war, his popularity was slipping. It's obvious he's trying to take advantage of his wartime popularity to make some progress in the issue, I hope that he succeeds.", ">\n\nAgreed. It is imperative for Ukraine to flush out corruption and establish a political elite and population that fights corruption rather than embrace it. Zelensky is certainly not perfect, but Im glad the conflict seems to have sped up his fight agains't corruption. I just hope our impressions are not misplaced. Ukraine must keep striving for lower corruption and more integrity. They are making efforts, I think. We will see in the coming years if the results can be seen and better measured.", ">\n\nEstablishing a political elite causes corruption, it doesn't fight it.", ">\n\nSlava Ukraini. Until victory.", ">\n\nHeroiam Slava!", ">\n\nRussia has been messing in our internal politics for a long time with scary effectiveness. When Ukraine was invaded I am not gonna lie I was scared that I would be fighting in WW3 in a few days or at best fight in it in a few years. But seeing how things have went I no longer have that fear. If anything I am glad the masks are finally off.", ">\n\nBoy is that tweet ever covered in weird pro Russian nut job tweets.\nI see them more often now. Is botting ramping up or just more noticeable as more sane people left Twitter lately? They also always tend to type like right wing Facebook boomers. Lots of 🤣🤣🤣 shit that signals you're dealing with someone with lead poisoning.", ">\n\nMost of them aren't 'real' people. Click on their profiles, look through their media for pictures of themselves or with family. Look through what they Tweet about. It's all about one particular topic, with some dodgy profile picture that could be anyone. These 'people' come across as real, will be verified (i.e. just buying a profile) but don't actually exist. Not bots, but not actual people either.", ">\n\nLike, there's no way the Kadri fanboy account is anything but a bot. No one would be that pathetic.", ">\n\nHow much longer can Russia's crumbling army can last?" ]
> Yeh true. It seams they almost want to die in a foreign county by the truckload per day. Living in ruSSia must be more shit it looks.
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.", ">\n\nHalf a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!", ">\n\nEven back then six months ago I didn't expect Russian sycophants to wildly celebrate every time they take something like a single salt mine. Our times keeps getting wilder and wilder.", ">\n\nGrasping at straws.", ">\n\nWhat is Putin's goal in Ukraine by this point anyway?\nFirst it was conquering the country, then it was installing a new government in Ukraine, in parallel to that it was \"denazifying the country\" by eliminating Azov. Then they released the Azovites, a few months after they captured them. Then it was defending their newly acquired oblasts, only to retreat from Kherson and Lyman.\nI feel like the only goal out of those they have stated that they are still pursuing is \"liberating Donbass\".", ">\n\nThere is no \"goal\" anymore. There is only the 'way.\" \nPutin will keep he war going and hope that he can somehow opportunisticly get to an end point that benefits him.", ">\n\nThis is not the way", ">\n\nThe way is not this", ">\n\nNot this is the way", ">\n\nSo, basically 3 are not done properly yet due to Ukraine gov failure, 1 because of EU failure and 3 have good progress. Yeah, definitely will take some time after war ends to finish all 7. Especially when some MPs keep sabotaging that progress.", ">\n\nI cant help but admire the Russian determination to die for Putin. I guess they made it a life goal of theirs to die for a dictator who couldn't give a shit about them. Maybe they love suffering. Maybe they love being able to commit a few warcrimes, act like animals, before they die. Y'know, act psychotic, steal, plunder, destroy, torture, commit a few murders and rapes before embracing your final doom. Bring nothing positive to the world. Just death and suffering. Do they think of their dear dictator living in luxury, right before death strikes them in no man's land?\nThey are being sent by the hundreds per day to die, and die, and die, and be maimed and mutilated. And yet, it doesn't seem they really care. More waves keep coming. What did they think happened to the previous waves?\nTheir culture really is fucked up. Enjoying slavely, enjoying suffering, enjoying subservience to the ''strong man'' dictator, abandonning any hope for a better future for them and their families, while the oligarchs steal and plunder the nation to their own ends, and send them to die for their own blunders and greed. Blaming everyone else for their own problems, and never even attempting to self-reflect or accept even some part of responsibility. Nihilism in its purest form.\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class. I do not deny it. But at least, we are AWARE of those problems, and we still have people who CARE and are CRITICAL of those problems, and still try to improve things. We haven't completely given up and we try to have hope and find solutions, and there are people in our societies who try to keep the powerful accountable, and are not completely cynical. We're far from perfect, but we try, and that's why people often like living in western societies. Because we try to build a decent society, we try to self-reflect, despite all of our shortcomings.\nUkraine did not attack Russia. They just wanted to be left alone, keep their 1991 borders and thrive with partners of their choice. Ukraine did not threaten anyone. They wanted democracy and self-determination. But Putin didn't give a shit. His fucking legacy, greed and delusional vision of history required him to launch one last psychotic war before he would fucking die. Piece of shit. I hope he gets to rot in hell when his time comes.", ">\n\n\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class.\n\nNot saying you meant to imply it but it is very important to not that corruption in western counties is not even remotely as bad as in places like Russia.\nFor instance my buddy in India was saying that if you don't bribe the person at the counter where you get your drivers license you'll get it in 6 months. Slip them the expected amount of money and you'll get it in a few days. Now apply that to every single government employee that you ever want to do something for you. And that includes the police, anyone that works for the government has their hand out all the time. If you don't pay maybe you don't get your license for a few extra months, or maybe you catch a beating from a cop and spend a few days in jail over what should have been a fine. And that doesn't even get into how the rich bribe higher up government officials or how much those same Indian officials steal from public funds.\nCorruption in the west is like we're playing little league and India is up in the pro's. Now keep in mind that Russia is even more corrupt than India. And unfortunately Ukraine is almost as bad as Russia. Zelensky was elected on a platform to clean government up which honestly wasn't going that well before the war, his popularity was slipping. It's obvious he's trying to take advantage of his wartime popularity to make some progress in the issue, I hope that he succeeds.", ">\n\nAgreed. It is imperative for Ukraine to flush out corruption and establish a political elite and population that fights corruption rather than embrace it. Zelensky is certainly not perfect, but Im glad the conflict seems to have sped up his fight agains't corruption. I just hope our impressions are not misplaced. Ukraine must keep striving for lower corruption and more integrity. They are making efforts, I think. We will see in the coming years if the results can be seen and better measured.", ">\n\nEstablishing a political elite causes corruption, it doesn't fight it.", ">\n\nSlava Ukraini. Until victory.", ">\n\nHeroiam Slava!", ">\n\nRussia has been messing in our internal politics for a long time with scary effectiveness. When Ukraine was invaded I am not gonna lie I was scared that I would be fighting in WW3 in a few days or at best fight in it in a few years. But seeing how things have went I no longer have that fear. If anything I am glad the masks are finally off.", ">\n\nBoy is that tweet ever covered in weird pro Russian nut job tweets.\nI see them more often now. Is botting ramping up or just more noticeable as more sane people left Twitter lately? They also always tend to type like right wing Facebook boomers. Lots of 🤣🤣🤣 shit that signals you're dealing with someone with lead poisoning.", ">\n\nMost of them aren't 'real' people. Click on their profiles, look through their media for pictures of themselves or with family. Look through what they Tweet about. It's all about one particular topic, with some dodgy profile picture that could be anyone. These 'people' come across as real, will be verified (i.e. just buying a profile) but don't actually exist. Not bots, but not actual people either.", ">\n\nLike, there's no way the Kadri fanboy account is anything but a bot. No one would be that pathetic.", ">\n\nHow much longer can Russia's crumbling army can last?", ">\n\nI wouldn't underestimate them." ]
> Soooo…. You think that advertising them here is the way to go?
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.", ">\n\nHalf a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!", ">\n\nEven back then six months ago I didn't expect Russian sycophants to wildly celebrate every time they take something like a single salt mine. Our times keeps getting wilder and wilder.", ">\n\nGrasping at straws.", ">\n\nWhat is Putin's goal in Ukraine by this point anyway?\nFirst it was conquering the country, then it was installing a new government in Ukraine, in parallel to that it was \"denazifying the country\" by eliminating Azov. Then they released the Azovites, a few months after they captured them. Then it was defending their newly acquired oblasts, only to retreat from Kherson and Lyman.\nI feel like the only goal out of those they have stated that they are still pursuing is \"liberating Donbass\".", ">\n\nThere is no \"goal\" anymore. There is only the 'way.\" \nPutin will keep he war going and hope that he can somehow opportunisticly get to an end point that benefits him.", ">\n\nThis is not the way", ">\n\nThe way is not this", ">\n\nNot this is the way", ">\n\nSo, basically 3 are not done properly yet due to Ukraine gov failure, 1 because of EU failure and 3 have good progress. Yeah, definitely will take some time after war ends to finish all 7. Especially when some MPs keep sabotaging that progress.", ">\n\nI cant help but admire the Russian determination to die for Putin. I guess they made it a life goal of theirs to die for a dictator who couldn't give a shit about them. Maybe they love suffering. Maybe they love being able to commit a few warcrimes, act like animals, before they die. Y'know, act psychotic, steal, plunder, destroy, torture, commit a few murders and rapes before embracing your final doom. Bring nothing positive to the world. Just death and suffering. Do they think of their dear dictator living in luxury, right before death strikes them in no man's land?\nThey are being sent by the hundreds per day to die, and die, and die, and be maimed and mutilated. And yet, it doesn't seem they really care. More waves keep coming. What did they think happened to the previous waves?\nTheir culture really is fucked up. Enjoying slavely, enjoying suffering, enjoying subservience to the ''strong man'' dictator, abandonning any hope for a better future for them and their families, while the oligarchs steal and plunder the nation to their own ends, and send them to die for their own blunders and greed. Blaming everyone else for their own problems, and never even attempting to self-reflect or accept even some part of responsibility. Nihilism in its purest form.\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class. I do not deny it. But at least, we are AWARE of those problems, and we still have people who CARE and are CRITICAL of those problems, and still try to improve things. We haven't completely given up and we try to have hope and find solutions, and there are people in our societies who try to keep the powerful accountable, and are not completely cynical. We're far from perfect, but we try, and that's why people often like living in western societies. Because we try to build a decent society, we try to self-reflect, despite all of our shortcomings.\nUkraine did not attack Russia. They just wanted to be left alone, keep their 1991 borders and thrive with partners of their choice. Ukraine did not threaten anyone. They wanted democracy and self-determination. But Putin didn't give a shit. His fucking legacy, greed and delusional vision of history required him to launch one last psychotic war before he would fucking die. Piece of shit. I hope he gets to rot in hell when his time comes.", ">\n\n\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class.\n\nNot saying you meant to imply it but it is very important to not that corruption in western counties is not even remotely as bad as in places like Russia.\nFor instance my buddy in India was saying that if you don't bribe the person at the counter where you get your drivers license you'll get it in 6 months. Slip them the expected amount of money and you'll get it in a few days. Now apply that to every single government employee that you ever want to do something for you. And that includes the police, anyone that works for the government has their hand out all the time. If you don't pay maybe you don't get your license for a few extra months, or maybe you catch a beating from a cop and spend a few days in jail over what should have been a fine. And that doesn't even get into how the rich bribe higher up government officials or how much those same Indian officials steal from public funds.\nCorruption in the west is like we're playing little league and India is up in the pro's. Now keep in mind that Russia is even more corrupt than India. And unfortunately Ukraine is almost as bad as Russia. Zelensky was elected on a platform to clean government up which honestly wasn't going that well before the war, his popularity was slipping. It's obvious he's trying to take advantage of his wartime popularity to make some progress in the issue, I hope that he succeeds.", ">\n\nAgreed. It is imperative for Ukraine to flush out corruption and establish a political elite and population that fights corruption rather than embrace it. Zelensky is certainly not perfect, but Im glad the conflict seems to have sped up his fight agains't corruption. I just hope our impressions are not misplaced. Ukraine must keep striving for lower corruption and more integrity. They are making efforts, I think. We will see in the coming years if the results can be seen and better measured.", ">\n\nEstablishing a political elite causes corruption, it doesn't fight it.", ">\n\nSlava Ukraini. Until victory.", ">\n\nHeroiam Slava!", ">\n\nRussia has been messing in our internal politics for a long time with scary effectiveness. When Ukraine was invaded I am not gonna lie I was scared that I would be fighting in WW3 in a few days or at best fight in it in a few years. But seeing how things have went I no longer have that fear. If anything I am glad the masks are finally off.", ">\n\nBoy is that tweet ever covered in weird pro Russian nut job tweets.\nI see them more often now. Is botting ramping up or just more noticeable as more sane people left Twitter lately? They also always tend to type like right wing Facebook boomers. Lots of 🤣🤣🤣 shit that signals you're dealing with someone with lead poisoning.", ">\n\nMost of them aren't 'real' people. Click on their profiles, look through their media for pictures of themselves or with family. Look through what they Tweet about. It's all about one particular topic, with some dodgy profile picture that could be anyone. These 'people' come across as real, will be verified (i.e. just buying a profile) but don't actually exist. Not bots, but not actual people either.", ">\n\nLike, there's no way the Kadri fanboy account is anything but a bot. No one would be that pathetic.", ">\n\nHow much longer can Russia's crumbling army can last?", ">\n\nI wouldn't underestimate them.", ">\n\nYeh true. It seams they almost want to die in a foreign county by the truckload per day. Living in ruSSia must be more shit it looks." ]
> In my book, this thread is to discuss everything connected with this war. Pretending that something doesn't exists because we don't like it, doesn't seem to be the best idea.
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.", ">\n\nHalf a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!", ">\n\nEven back then six months ago I didn't expect Russian sycophants to wildly celebrate every time they take something like a single salt mine. Our times keeps getting wilder and wilder.", ">\n\nGrasping at straws.", ">\n\nWhat is Putin's goal in Ukraine by this point anyway?\nFirst it was conquering the country, then it was installing a new government in Ukraine, in parallel to that it was \"denazifying the country\" by eliminating Azov. Then they released the Azovites, a few months after they captured them. Then it was defending their newly acquired oblasts, only to retreat from Kherson and Lyman.\nI feel like the only goal out of those they have stated that they are still pursuing is \"liberating Donbass\".", ">\n\nThere is no \"goal\" anymore. There is only the 'way.\" \nPutin will keep he war going and hope that he can somehow opportunisticly get to an end point that benefits him.", ">\n\nThis is not the way", ">\n\nThe way is not this", ">\n\nNot this is the way", ">\n\nSo, basically 3 are not done properly yet due to Ukraine gov failure, 1 because of EU failure and 3 have good progress. Yeah, definitely will take some time after war ends to finish all 7. Especially when some MPs keep sabotaging that progress.", ">\n\nI cant help but admire the Russian determination to die for Putin. I guess they made it a life goal of theirs to die for a dictator who couldn't give a shit about them. Maybe they love suffering. Maybe they love being able to commit a few warcrimes, act like animals, before they die. Y'know, act psychotic, steal, plunder, destroy, torture, commit a few murders and rapes before embracing your final doom. Bring nothing positive to the world. Just death and suffering. Do they think of their dear dictator living in luxury, right before death strikes them in no man's land?\nThey are being sent by the hundreds per day to die, and die, and die, and be maimed and mutilated. And yet, it doesn't seem they really care. More waves keep coming. What did they think happened to the previous waves?\nTheir culture really is fucked up. Enjoying slavely, enjoying suffering, enjoying subservience to the ''strong man'' dictator, abandonning any hope for a better future for them and their families, while the oligarchs steal and plunder the nation to their own ends, and send them to die for their own blunders and greed. Blaming everyone else for their own problems, and never even attempting to self-reflect or accept even some part of responsibility. Nihilism in its purest form.\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class. I do not deny it. But at least, we are AWARE of those problems, and we still have people who CARE and are CRITICAL of those problems, and still try to improve things. We haven't completely given up and we try to have hope and find solutions, and there are people in our societies who try to keep the powerful accountable, and are not completely cynical. We're far from perfect, but we try, and that's why people often like living in western societies. Because we try to build a decent society, we try to self-reflect, despite all of our shortcomings.\nUkraine did not attack Russia. They just wanted to be left alone, keep their 1991 borders and thrive with partners of their choice. Ukraine did not threaten anyone. They wanted democracy and self-determination. But Putin didn't give a shit. His fucking legacy, greed and delusional vision of history required him to launch one last psychotic war before he would fucking die. Piece of shit. I hope he gets to rot in hell when his time comes.", ">\n\n\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class.\n\nNot saying you meant to imply it but it is very important to not that corruption in western counties is not even remotely as bad as in places like Russia.\nFor instance my buddy in India was saying that if you don't bribe the person at the counter where you get your drivers license you'll get it in 6 months. Slip them the expected amount of money and you'll get it in a few days. Now apply that to every single government employee that you ever want to do something for you. And that includes the police, anyone that works for the government has their hand out all the time. If you don't pay maybe you don't get your license for a few extra months, or maybe you catch a beating from a cop and spend a few days in jail over what should have been a fine. And that doesn't even get into how the rich bribe higher up government officials or how much those same Indian officials steal from public funds.\nCorruption in the west is like we're playing little league and India is up in the pro's. Now keep in mind that Russia is even more corrupt than India. And unfortunately Ukraine is almost as bad as Russia. Zelensky was elected on a platform to clean government up which honestly wasn't going that well before the war, his popularity was slipping. It's obvious he's trying to take advantage of his wartime popularity to make some progress in the issue, I hope that he succeeds.", ">\n\nAgreed. It is imperative for Ukraine to flush out corruption and establish a political elite and population that fights corruption rather than embrace it. Zelensky is certainly not perfect, but Im glad the conflict seems to have sped up his fight agains't corruption. I just hope our impressions are not misplaced. Ukraine must keep striving for lower corruption and more integrity. They are making efforts, I think. We will see in the coming years if the results can be seen and better measured.", ">\n\nEstablishing a political elite causes corruption, it doesn't fight it.", ">\n\nSlava Ukraini. Until victory.", ">\n\nHeroiam Slava!", ">\n\nRussia has been messing in our internal politics for a long time with scary effectiveness. When Ukraine was invaded I am not gonna lie I was scared that I would be fighting in WW3 in a few days or at best fight in it in a few years. But seeing how things have went I no longer have that fear. If anything I am glad the masks are finally off.", ">\n\nBoy is that tweet ever covered in weird pro Russian nut job tweets.\nI see them more often now. Is botting ramping up or just more noticeable as more sane people left Twitter lately? They also always tend to type like right wing Facebook boomers. Lots of 🤣🤣🤣 shit that signals you're dealing with someone with lead poisoning.", ">\n\nMost of them aren't 'real' people. Click on their profiles, look through their media for pictures of themselves or with family. Look through what they Tweet about. It's all about one particular topic, with some dodgy profile picture that could be anyone. These 'people' come across as real, will be verified (i.e. just buying a profile) but don't actually exist. Not bots, but not actual people either.", ">\n\nLike, there's no way the Kadri fanboy account is anything but a bot. No one would be that pathetic.", ">\n\nHow much longer can Russia's crumbling army can last?", ">\n\nI wouldn't underestimate them.", ">\n\nYeh true. It seams they almost want to die in a foreign county by the truckload per day. Living in ruSSia must be more shit it looks.", ">\n\nSoooo…. You think that advertising them here is the way to go?" ]
> Pretending that something doesn't exists because we don't like it, doesn't seem to be the best idea. Have to get over this mentality - propaganda spreads by exposure, and even highlighting the propaganda as wrong can be used as a vehicle for spread. Key points: You can describe it, but do not directly link. Linking provides exposure. If you absolutely must link, link to something that summarizes the flaws in their argument, and one that does not link to source material. It's a nice Enlightenment-era ideal that linking source material is always good, that the right idea always wins and that open spread of ideas always makes things better eventually. It's also completely idealistic bullshit, as shown by the digital era and the dynamics of political messaging.
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.", ">\n\nHalf a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!", ">\n\nEven back then six months ago I didn't expect Russian sycophants to wildly celebrate every time they take something like a single salt mine. Our times keeps getting wilder and wilder.", ">\n\nGrasping at straws.", ">\n\nWhat is Putin's goal in Ukraine by this point anyway?\nFirst it was conquering the country, then it was installing a new government in Ukraine, in parallel to that it was \"denazifying the country\" by eliminating Azov. Then they released the Azovites, a few months after they captured them. Then it was defending their newly acquired oblasts, only to retreat from Kherson and Lyman.\nI feel like the only goal out of those they have stated that they are still pursuing is \"liberating Donbass\".", ">\n\nThere is no \"goal\" anymore. There is only the 'way.\" \nPutin will keep he war going and hope that he can somehow opportunisticly get to an end point that benefits him.", ">\n\nThis is not the way", ">\n\nThe way is not this", ">\n\nNot this is the way", ">\n\nSo, basically 3 are not done properly yet due to Ukraine gov failure, 1 because of EU failure and 3 have good progress. Yeah, definitely will take some time after war ends to finish all 7. Especially when some MPs keep sabotaging that progress.", ">\n\nI cant help but admire the Russian determination to die for Putin. I guess they made it a life goal of theirs to die for a dictator who couldn't give a shit about them. Maybe they love suffering. Maybe they love being able to commit a few warcrimes, act like animals, before they die. Y'know, act psychotic, steal, plunder, destroy, torture, commit a few murders and rapes before embracing your final doom. Bring nothing positive to the world. Just death and suffering. Do they think of their dear dictator living in luxury, right before death strikes them in no man's land?\nThey are being sent by the hundreds per day to die, and die, and die, and be maimed and mutilated. And yet, it doesn't seem they really care. More waves keep coming. What did they think happened to the previous waves?\nTheir culture really is fucked up. Enjoying slavely, enjoying suffering, enjoying subservience to the ''strong man'' dictator, abandonning any hope for a better future for them and their families, while the oligarchs steal and plunder the nation to their own ends, and send them to die for their own blunders and greed. Blaming everyone else for their own problems, and never even attempting to self-reflect or accept even some part of responsibility. Nihilism in its purest form.\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class. I do not deny it. But at least, we are AWARE of those problems, and we still have people who CARE and are CRITICAL of those problems, and still try to improve things. We haven't completely given up and we try to have hope and find solutions, and there are people in our societies who try to keep the powerful accountable, and are not completely cynical. We're far from perfect, but we try, and that's why people often like living in western societies. Because we try to build a decent society, we try to self-reflect, despite all of our shortcomings.\nUkraine did not attack Russia. They just wanted to be left alone, keep their 1991 borders and thrive with partners of their choice. Ukraine did not threaten anyone. They wanted democracy and self-determination. But Putin didn't give a shit. His fucking legacy, greed and delusional vision of history required him to launch one last psychotic war before he would fucking die. Piece of shit. I hope he gets to rot in hell when his time comes.", ">\n\n\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class.\n\nNot saying you meant to imply it but it is very important to not that corruption in western counties is not even remotely as bad as in places like Russia.\nFor instance my buddy in India was saying that if you don't bribe the person at the counter where you get your drivers license you'll get it in 6 months. Slip them the expected amount of money and you'll get it in a few days. Now apply that to every single government employee that you ever want to do something for you. And that includes the police, anyone that works for the government has their hand out all the time. If you don't pay maybe you don't get your license for a few extra months, or maybe you catch a beating from a cop and spend a few days in jail over what should have been a fine. And that doesn't even get into how the rich bribe higher up government officials or how much those same Indian officials steal from public funds.\nCorruption in the west is like we're playing little league and India is up in the pro's. Now keep in mind that Russia is even more corrupt than India. And unfortunately Ukraine is almost as bad as Russia. Zelensky was elected on a platform to clean government up which honestly wasn't going that well before the war, his popularity was slipping. It's obvious he's trying to take advantage of his wartime popularity to make some progress in the issue, I hope that he succeeds.", ">\n\nAgreed. It is imperative for Ukraine to flush out corruption and establish a political elite and population that fights corruption rather than embrace it. Zelensky is certainly not perfect, but Im glad the conflict seems to have sped up his fight agains't corruption. I just hope our impressions are not misplaced. Ukraine must keep striving for lower corruption and more integrity. They are making efforts, I think. We will see in the coming years if the results can be seen and better measured.", ">\n\nEstablishing a political elite causes corruption, it doesn't fight it.", ">\n\nSlava Ukraini. Until victory.", ">\n\nHeroiam Slava!", ">\n\nRussia has been messing in our internal politics for a long time with scary effectiveness. When Ukraine was invaded I am not gonna lie I was scared that I would be fighting in WW3 in a few days or at best fight in it in a few years. But seeing how things have went I no longer have that fear. If anything I am glad the masks are finally off.", ">\n\nBoy is that tweet ever covered in weird pro Russian nut job tweets.\nI see them more often now. Is botting ramping up or just more noticeable as more sane people left Twitter lately? They also always tend to type like right wing Facebook boomers. Lots of 🤣🤣🤣 shit that signals you're dealing with someone with lead poisoning.", ">\n\nMost of them aren't 'real' people. Click on their profiles, look through their media for pictures of themselves or with family. Look through what they Tweet about. It's all about one particular topic, with some dodgy profile picture that could be anyone. These 'people' come across as real, will be verified (i.e. just buying a profile) but don't actually exist. Not bots, but not actual people either.", ">\n\nLike, there's no way the Kadri fanboy account is anything but a bot. No one would be that pathetic.", ">\n\nHow much longer can Russia's crumbling army can last?", ">\n\nI wouldn't underestimate them.", ">\n\nYeh true. It seams they almost want to die in a foreign county by the truckload per day. Living in ruSSia must be more shit it looks.", ">\n\nSoooo…. You think that advertising them here is the way to go?", ">\n\nIn my book, this thread is to discuss everything connected with this war. Pretending that something doesn't exists because we don't like it, doesn't seem to be the best idea." ]
> Oof. Well, if he had used those legs responsibly, i.e. to propel him back to where he belongs in a timely fashion, perhaps he'd still have them.
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.", ">\n\nHalf a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!", ">\n\nEven back then six months ago I didn't expect Russian sycophants to wildly celebrate every time they take something like a single salt mine. Our times keeps getting wilder and wilder.", ">\n\nGrasping at straws.", ">\n\nWhat is Putin's goal in Ukraine by this point anyway?\nFirst it was conquering the country, then it was installing a new government in Ukraine, in parallel to that it was \"denazifying the country\" by eliminating Azov. Then they released the Azovites, a few months after they captured them. Then it was defending their newly acquired oblasts, only to retreat from Kherson and Lyman.\nI feel like the only goal out of those they have stated that they are still pursuing is \"liberating Donbass\".", ">\n\nThere is no \"goal\" anymore. There is only the 'way.\" \nPutin will keep he war going and hope that he can somehow opportunisticly get to an end point that benefits him.", ">\n\nThis is not the way", ">\n\nThe way is not this", ">\n\nNot this is the way", ">\n\nSo, basically 3 are not done properly yet due to Ukraine gov failure, 1 because of EU failure and 3 have good progress. Yeah, definitely will take some time after war ends to finish all 7. Especially when some MPs keep sabotaging that progress.", ">\n\nI cant help but admire the Russian determination to die for Putin. I guess they made it a life goal of theirs to die for a dictator who couldn't give a shit about them. Maybe they love suffering. Maybe they love being able to commit a few warcrimes, act like animals, before they die. Y'know, act psychotic, steal, plunder, destroy, torture, commit a few murders and rapes before embracing your final doom. Bring nothing positive to the world. Just death and suffering. Do they think of their dear dictator living in luxury, right before death strikes them in no man's land?\nThey are being sent by the hundreds per day to die, and die, and die, and be maimed and mutilated. And yet, it doesn't seem they really care. More waves keep coming. What did they think happened to the previous waves?\nTheir culture really is fucked up. Enjoying slavely, enjoying suffering, enjoying subservience to the ''strong man'' dictator, abandonning any hope for a better future for them and their families, while the oligarchs steal and plunder the nation to their own ends, and send them to die for their own blunders and greed. Blaming everyone else for their own problems, and never even attempting to self-reflect or accept even some part of responsibility. Nihilism in its purest form.\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class. I do not deny it. But at least, we are AWARE of those problems, and we still have people who CARE and are CRITICAL of those problems, and still try to improve things. We haven't completely given up and we try to have hope and find solutions, and there are people in our societies who try to keep the powerful accountable, and are not completely cynical. We're far from perfect, but we try, and that's why people often like living in western societies. Because we try to build a decent society, we try to self-reflect, despite all of our shortcomings.\nUkraine did not attack Russia. They just wanted to be left alone, keep their 1991 borders and thrive with partners of their choice. Ukraine did not threaten anyone. They wanted democracy and self-determination. But Putin didn't give a shit. His fucking legacy, greed and delusional vision of history required him to launch one last psychotic war before he would fucking die. Piece of shit. I hope he gets to rot in hell when his time comes.", ">\n\n\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class.\n\nNot saying you meant to imply it but it is very important to not that corruption in western counties is not even remotely as bad as in places like Russia.\nFor instance my buddy in India was saying that if you don't bribe the person at the counter where you get your drivers license you'll get it in 6 months. Slip them the expected amount of money and you'll get it in a few days. Now apply that to every single government employee that you ever want to do something for you. And that includes the police, anyone that works for the government has their hand out all the time. If you don't pay maybe you don't get your license for a few extra months, or maybe you catch a beating from a cop and spend a few days in jail over what should have been a fine. And that doesn't even get into how the rich bribe higher up government officials or how much those same Indian officials steal from public funds.\nCorruption in the west is like we're playing little league and India is up in the pro's. Now keep in mind that Russia is even more corrupt than India. And unfortunately Ukraine is almost as bad as Russia. Zelensky was elected on a platform to clean government up which honestly wasn't going that well before the war, his popularity was slipping. It's obvious he's trying to take advantage of his wartime popularity to make some progress in the issue, I hope that he succeeds.", ">\n\nAgreed. It is imperative for Ukraine to flush out corruption and establish a political elite and population that fights corruption rather than embrace it. Zelensky is certainly not perfect, but Im glad the conflict seems to have sped up his fight agains't corruption. I just hope our impressions are not misplaced. Ukraine must keep striving for lower corruption and more integrity. They are making efforts, I think. We will see in the coming years if the results can be seen and better measured.", ">\n\nEstablishing a political elite causes corruption, it doesn't fight it.", ">\n\nSlava Ukraini. Until victory.", ">\n\nHeroiam Slava!", ">\n\nRussia has been messing in our internal politics for a long time with scary effectiveness. When Ukraine was invaded I am not gonna lie I was scared that I would be fighting in WW3 in a few days or at best fight in it in a few years. But seeing how things have went I no longer have that fear. If anything I am glad the masks are finally off.", ">\n\nBoy is that tweet ever covered in weird pro Russian nut job tweets.\nI see them more often now. Is botting ramping up or just more noticeable as more sane people left Twitter lately? They also always tend to type like right wing Facebook boomers. Lots of 🤣🤣🤣 shit that signals you're dealing with someone with lead poisoning.", ">\n\nMost of them aren't 'real' people. Click on their profiles, look through their media for pictures of themselves or with family. Look through what they Tweet about. It's all about one particular topic, with some dodgy profile picture that could be anyone. These 'people' come across as real, will be verified (i.e. just buying a profile) but don't actually exist. Not bots, but not actual people either.", ">\n\nLike, there's no way the Kadri fanboy account is anything but a bot. No one would be that pathetic.", ">\n\nHow much longer can Russia's crumbling army can last?", ">\n\nI wouldn't underestimate them.", ">\n\nYeh true. It seams they almost want to die in a foreign county by the truckload per day. Living in ruSSia must be more shit it looks.", ">\n\nSoooo…. You think that advertising them here is the way to go?", ">\n\nIn my book, this thread is to discuss everything connected with this war. Pretending that something doesn't exists because we don't like it, doesn't seem to be the best idea.", ">\n\n\nPretending that something doesn't exists because we don't like it, doesn't seem to be the best idea.\n\nHave to get over this mentality - propaganda spreads by exposure, and even highlighting the propaganda as wrong can be used as a vehicle for spread. Key points:\n\nYou can describe it, but do not directly link. Linking provides exposure.\nIf you absolutely must link, link to something that summarizes the flaws in their argument, and one that does not link to source material.\n\nIt's a nice Enlightenment-era ideal that linking source material is always good, that the right idea always wins and that open spread of ideas always makes things better eventually. It's also completely idealistic bullshit, as shown by the digital era and the dynamics of political messaging." ]
> Well at least they died to "enter sandman"
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.", ">\n\nHalf a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!", ">\n\nEven back then six months ago I didn't expect Russian sycophants to wildly celebrate every time they take something like a single salt mine. Our times keeps getting wilder and wilder.", ">\n\nGrasping at straws.", ">\n\nWhat is Putin's goal in Ukraine by this point anyway?\nFirst it was conquering the country, then it was installing a new government in Ukraine, in parallel to that it was \"denazifying the country\" by eliminating Azov. Then they released the Azovites, a few months after they captured them. Then it was defending their newly acquired oblasts, only to retreat from Kherson and Lyman.\nI feel like the only goal out of those they have stated that they are still pursuing is \"liberating Donbass\".", ">\n\nThere is no \"goal\" anymore. There is only the 'way.\" \nPutin will keep he war going and hope that he can somehow opportunisticly get to an end point that benefits him.", ">\n\nThis is not the way", ">\n\nThe way is not this", ">\n\nNot this is the way", ">\n\nSo, basically 3 are not done properly yet due to Ukraine gov failure, 1 because of EU failure and 3 have good progress. Yeah, definitely will take some time after war ends to finish all 7. Especially when some MPs keep sabotaging that progress.", ">\n\nI cant help but admire the Russian determination to die for Putin. I guess they made it a life goal of theirs to die for a dictator who couldn't give a shit about them. Maybe they love suffering. Maybe they love being able to commit a few warcrimes, act like animals, before they die. Y'know, act psychotic, steal, plunder, destroy, torture, commit a few murders and rapes before embracing your final doom. Bring nothing positive to the world. Just death and suffering. Do they think of their dear dictator living in luxury, right before death strikes them in no man's land?\nThey are being sent by the hundreds per day to die, and die, and die, and be maimed and mutilated. And yet, it doesn't seem they really care. More waves keep coming. What did they think happened to the previous waves?\nTheir culture really is fucked up. Enjoying slavely, enjoying suffering, enjoying subservience to the ''strong man'' dictator, abandonning any hope for a better future for them and their families, while the oligarchs steal and plunder the nation to their own ends, and send them to die for their own blunders and greed. Blaming everyone else for their own problems, and never even attempting to self-reflect or accept even some part of responsibility. Nihilism in its purest form.\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class. I do not deny it. But at least, we are AWARE of those problems, and we still have people who CARE and are CRITICAL of those problems, and still try to improve things. We haven't completely given up and we try to have hope and find solutions, and there are people in our societies who try to keep the powerful accountable, and are not completely cynical. We're far from perfect, but we try, and that's why people often like living in western societies. Because we try to build a decent society, we try to self-reflect, despite all of our shortcomings.\nUkraine did not attack Russia. They just wanted to be left alone, keep their 1991 borders and thrive with partners of their choice. Ukraine did not threaten anyone. They wanted democracy and self-determination. But Putin didn't give a shit. His fucking legacy, greed and delusional vision of history required him to launch one last psychotic war before he would fucking die. Piece of shit. I hope he gets to rot in hell when his time comes.", ">\n\n\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class.\n\nNot saying you meant to imply it but it is very important to not that corruption in western counties is not even remotely as bad as in places like Russia.\nFor instance my buddy in India was saying that if you don't bribe the person at the counter where you get your drivers license you'll get it in 6 months. Slip them the expected amount of money and you'll get it in a few days. Now apply that to every single government employee that you ever want to do something for you. And that includes the police, anyone that works for the government has their hand out all the time. If you don't pay maybe you don't get your license for a few extra months, or maybe you catch a beating from a cop and spend a few days in jail over what should have been a fine. And that doesn't even get into how the rich bribe higher up government officials or how much those same Indian officials steal from public funds.\nCorruption in the west is like we're playing little league and India is up in the pro's. Now keep in mind that Russia is even more corrupt than India. And unfortunately Ukraine is almost as bad as Russia. Zelensky was elected on a platform to clean government up which honestly wasn't going that well before the war, his popularity was slipping. It's obvious he's trying to take advantage of his wartime popularity to make some progress in the issue, I hope that he succeeds.", ">\n\nAgreed. It is imperative for Ukraine to flush out corruption and establish a political elite and population that fights corruption rather than embrace it. Zelensky is certainly not perfect, but Im glad the conflict seems to have sped up his fight agains't corruption. I just hope our impressions are not misplaced. Ukraine must keep striving for lower corruption and more integrity. They are making efforts, I think. We will see in the coming years if the results can be seen and better measured.", ">\n\nEstablishing a political elite causes corruption, it doesn't fight it.", ">\n\nSlava Ukraini. Until victory.", ">\n\nHeroiam Slava!", ">\n\nRussia has been messing in our internal politics for a long time with scary effectiveness. When Ukraine was invaded I am not gonna lie I was scared that I would be fighting in WW3 in a few days or at best fight in it in a few years. But seeing how things have went I no longer have that fear. If anything I am glad the masks are finally off.", ">\n\nBoy is that tweet ever covered in weird pro Russian nut job tweets.\nI see them more often now. Is botting ramping up or just more noticeable as more sane people left Twitter lately? They also always tend to type like right wing Facebook boomers. Lots of 🤣🤣🤣 shit that signals you're dealing with someone with lead poisoning.", ">\n\nMost of them aren't 'real' people. Click on their profiles, look through their media for pictures of themselves or with family. Look through what they Tweet about. It's all about one particular topic, with some dodgy profile picture that could be anyone. These 'people' come across as real, will be verified (i.e. just buying a profile) but don't actually exist. Not bots, but not actual people either.", ">\n\nLike, there's no way the Kadri fanboy account is anything but a bot. No one would be that pathetic.", ">\n\nHow much longer can Russia's crumbling army can last?", ">\n\nI wouldn't underestimate them.", ">\n\nYeh true. It seams they almost want to die in a foreign county by the truckload per day. Living in ruSSia must be more shit it looks.", ">\n\nSoooo…. You think that advertising them here is the way to go?", ">\n\nIn my book, this thread is to discuss everything connected with this war. Pretending that something doesn't exists because we don't like it, doesn't seem to be the best idea.", ">\n\n\nPretending that something doesn't exists because we don't like it, doesn't seem to be the best idea.\n\nHave to get over this mentality - propaganda spreads by exposure, and even highlighting the propaganda as wrong can be used as a vehicle for spread. Key points:\n\nYou can describe it, but do not directly link. Linking provides exposure.\nIf you absolutely must link, link to something that summarizes the flaws in their argument, and one that does not link to source material.\n\nIt's a nice Enlightenment-era ideal that linking source material is always good, that the right idea always wins and that open spread of ideas always makes things better eventually. It's also completely idealistic bullshit, as shown by the digital era and the dynamics of political messaging.", ">\n\nOof. Well, if he had used those legs responsibly, i.e. to propel him back to where he belongs in a timely fashion, perhaps he'd still have them." ]
> It's certainly much less humiliating than to have ones death go down in Internet history set to one of those sad deliberately inept flute renditions of various movie themes.
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.", ">\n\nHalf a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!", ">\n\nEven back then six months ago I didn't expect Russian sycophants to wildly celebrate every time they take something like a single salt mine. Our times keeps getting wilder and wilder.", ">\n\nGrasping at straws.", ">\n\nWhat is Putin's goal in Ukraine by this point anyway?\nFirst it was conquering the country, then it was installing a new government in Ukraine, in parallel to that it was \"denazifying the country\" by eliminating Azov. Then they released the Azovites, a few months after they captured them. Then it was defending their newly acquired oblasts, only to retreat from Kherson and Lyman.\nI feel like the only goal out of those they have stated that they are still pursuing is \"liberating Donbass\".", ">\n\nThere is no \"goal\" anymore. There is only the 'way.\" \nPutin will keep he war going and hope that he can somehow opportunisticly get to an end point that benefits him.", ">\n\nThis is not the way", ">\n\nThe way is not this", ">\n\nNot this is the way", ">\n\nSo, basically 3 are not done properly yet due to Ukraine gov failure, 1 because of EU failure and 3 have good progress. Yeah, definitely will take some time after war ends to finish all 7. Especially when some MPs keep sabotaging that progress.", ">\n\nI cant help but admire the Russian determination to die for Putin. I guess they made it a life goal of theirs to die for a dictator who couldn't give a shit about them. Maybe they love suffering. Maybe they love being able to commit a few warcrimes, act like animals, before they die. Y'know, act psychotic, steal, plunder, destroy, torture, commit a few murders and rapes before embracing your final doom. Bring nothing positive to the world. Just death and suffering. Do they think of their dear dictator living in luxury, right before death strikes them in no man's land?\nThey are being sent by the hundreds per day to die, and die, and die, and be maimed and mutilated. And yet, it doesn't seem they really care. More waves keep coming. What did they think happened to the previous waves?\nTheir culture really is fucked up. Enjoying slavely, enjoying suffering, enjoying subservience to the ''strong man'' dictator, abandonning any hope for a better future for them and their families, while the oligarchs steal and plunder the nation to their own ends, and send them to die for their own blunders and greed. Blaming everyone else for their own problems, and never even attempting to self-reflect or accept even some part of responsibility. Nihilism in its purest form.\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class. I do not deny it. But at least, we are AWARE of those problems, and we still have people who CARE and are CRITICAL of those problems, and still try to improve things. We haven't completely given up and we try to have hope and find solutions, and there are people in our societies who try to keep the powerful accountable, and are not completely cynical. We're far from perfect, but we try, and that's why people often like living in western societies. Because we try to build a decent society, we try to self-reflect, despite all of our shortcomings.\nUkraine did not attack Russia. They just wanted to be left alone, keep their 1991 borders and thrive with partners of their choice. Ukraine did not threaten anyone. They wanted democracy and self-determination. But Putin didn't give a shit. His fucking legacy, greed and delusional vision of history required him to launch one last psychotic war before he would fucking die. Piece of shit. I hope he gets to rot in hell when his time comes.", ">\n\n\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class.\n\nNot saying you meant to imply it but it is very important to not that corruption in western counties is not even remotely as bad as in places like Russia.\nFor instance my buddy in India was saying that if you don't bribe the person at the counter where you get your drivers license you'll get it in 6 months. Slip them the expected amount of money and you'll get it in a few days. Now apply that to every single government employee that you ever want to do something for you. And that includes the police, anyone that works for the government has their hand out all the time. If you don't pay maybe you don't get your license for a few extra months, or maybe you catch a beating from a cop and spend a few days in jail over what should have been a fine. And that doesn't even get into how the rich bribe higher up government officials or how much those same Indian officials steal from public funds.\nCorruption in the west is like we're playing little league and India is up in the pro's. Now keep in mind that Russia is even more corrupt than India. And unfortunately Ukraine is almost as bad as Russia. Zelensky was elected on a platform to clean government up which honestly wasn't going that well before the war, his popularity was slipping. It's obvious he's trying to take advantage of his wartime popularity to make some progress in the issue, I hope that he succeeds.", ">\n\nAgreed. It is imperative for Ukraine to flush out corruption and establish a political elite and population that fights corruption rather than embrace it. Zelensky is certainly not perfect, but Im glad the conflict seems to have sped up his fight agains't corruption. I just hope our impressions are not misplaced. Ukraine must keep striving for lower corruption and more integrity. They are making efforts, I think. We will see in the coming years if the results can be seen and better measured.", ">\n\nEstablishing a political elite causes corruption, it doesn't fight it.", ">\n\nSlava Ukraini. Until victory.", ">\n\nHeroiam Slava!", ">\n\nRussia has been messing in our internal politics for a long time with scary effectiveness. When Ukraine was invaded I am not gonna lie I was scared that I would be fighting in WW3 in a few days or at best fight in it in a few years. But seeing how things have went I no longer have that fear. If anything I am glad the masks are finally off.", ">\n\nBoy is that tweet ever covered in weird pro Russian nut job tweets.\nI see them more often now. Is botting ramping up or just more noticeable as more sane people left Twitter lately? They also always tend to type like right wing Facebook boomers. Lots of 🤣🤣🤣 shit that signals you're dealing with someone with lead poisoning.", ">\n\nMost of them aren't 'real' people. Click on their profiles, look through their media for pictures of themselves or with family. Look through what they Tweet about. It's all about one particular topic, with some dodgy profile picture that could be anyone. These 'people' come across as real, will be verified (i.e. just buying a profile) but don't actually exist. Not bots, but not actual people either.", ">\n\nLike, there's no way the Kadri fanboy account is anything but a bot. No one would be that pathetic.", ">\n\nHow much longer can Russia's crumbling army can last?", ">\n\nI wouldn't underestimate them.", ">\n\nYeh true. It seams they almost want to die in a foreign county by the truckload per day. Living in ruSSia must be more shit it looks.", ">\n\nSoooo…. You think that advertising them here is the way to go?", ">\n\nIn my book, this thread is to discuss everything connected with this war. Pretending that something doesn't exists because we don't like it, doesn't seem to be the best idea.", ">\n\n\nPretending that something doesn't exists because we don't like it, doesn't seem to be the best idea.\n\nHave to get over this mentality - propaganda spreads by exposure, and even highlighting the propaganda as wrong can be used as a vehicle for spread. Key points:\n\nYou can describe it, but do not directly link. Linking provides exposure.\nIf you absolutely must link, link to something that summarizes the flaws in their argument, and one that does not link to source material.\n\nIt's a nice Enlightenment-era ideal that linking source material is always good, that the right idea always wins and that open spread of ideas always makes things better eventually. It's also completely idealistic bullshit, as shown by the digital era and the dynamics of political messaging.", ">\n\nOof. Well, if he had used those legs responsibly, i.e. to propel him back to where he belongs in a timely fashion, perhaps he'd still have them.", ">\n\nWell at least they died to \"enter sandman\"" ]
> I forget where I saw it - but a month or so ago there was a post from a Russian citizen claiming that the US was 'nothing but desert with no natural resources with its people starving to death' which is why the US is trying to 'take over Russia through Ukraine'. They've reached North Korean levels of propaganda. Japan did the same thing in WW2, convincing their citizens that American troops were 'beasts' that would rape and torture them. It was the main factor behind the mass suicides in Okinawa.
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.", ">\n\nHalf a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!", ">\n\nEven back then six months ago I didn't expect Russian sycophants to wildly celebrate every time they take something like a single salt mine. Our times keeps getting wilder and wilder.", ">\n\nGrasping at straws.", ">\n\nWhat is Putin's goal in Ukraine by this point anyway?\nFirst it was conquering the country, then it was installing a new government in Ukraine, in parallel to that it was \"denazifying the country\" by eliminating Azov. Then they released the Azovites, a few months after they captured them. Then it was defending their newly acquired oblasts, only to retreat from Kherson and Lyman.\nI feel like the only goal out of those they have stated that they are still pursuing is \"liberating Donbass\".", ">\n\nThere is no \"goal\" anymore. There is only the 'way.\" \nPutin will keep he war going and hope that he can somehow opportunisticly get to an end point that benefits him.", ">\n\nThis is not the way", ">\n\nThe way is not this", ">\n\nNot this is the way", ">\n\nSo, basically 3 are not done properly yet due to Ukraine gov failure, 1 because of EU failure and 3 have good progress. Yeah, definitely will take some time after war ends to finish all 7. Especially when some MPs keep sabotaging that progress.", ">\n\nI cant help but admire the Russian determination to die for Putin. I guess they made it a life goal of theirs to die for a dictator who couldn't give a shit about them. Maybe they love suffering. Maybe they love being able to commit a few warcrimes, act like animals, before they die. Y'know, act psychotic, steal, plunder, destroy, torture, commit a few murders and rapes before embracing your final doom. Bring nothing positive to the world. Just death and suffering. Do they think of their dear dictator living in luxury, right before death strikes them in no man's land?\nThey are being sent by the hundreds per day to die, and die, and die, and be maimed and mutilated. And yet, it doesn't seem they really care. More waves keep coming. What did they think happened to the previous waves?\nTheir culture really is fucked up. Enjoying slavely, enjoying suffering, enjoying subservience to the ''strong man'' dictator, abandonning any hope for a better future for them and their families, while the oligarchs steal and plunder the nation to their own ends, and send them to die for their own blunders and greed. Blaming everyone else for their own problems, and never even attempting to self-reflect or accept even some part of responsibility. Nihilism in its purest form.\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class. I do not deny it. But at least, we are AWARE of those problems, and we still have people who CARE and are CRITICAL of those problems, and still try to improve things. We haven't completely given up and we try to have hope and find solutions, and there are people in our societies who try to keep the powerful accountable, and are not completely cynical. We're far from perfect, but we try, and that's why people often like living in western societies. Because we try to build a decent society, we try to self-reflect, despite all of our shortcomings.\nUkraine did not attack Russia. They just wanted to be left alone, keep their 1991 borders and thrive with partners of their choice. Ukraine did not threaten anyone. They wanted democracy and self-determination. But Putin didn't give a shit. His fucking legacy, greed and delusional vision of history required him to launch one last psychotic war before he would fucking die. Piece of shit. I hope he gets to rot in hell when his time comes.", ">\n\n\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class.\n\nNot saying you meant to imply it but it is very important to not that corruption in western counties is not even remotely as bad as in places like Russia.\nFor instance my buddy in India was saying that if you don't bribe the person at the counter where you get your drivers license you'll get it in 6 months. Slip them the expected amount of money and you'll get it in a few days. Now apply that to every single government employee that you ever want to do something for you. And that includes the police, anyone that works for the government has their hand out all the time. If you don't pay maybe you don't get your license for a few extra months, or maybe you catch a beating from a cop and spend a few days in jail over what should have been a fine. And that doesn't even get into how the rich bribe higher up government officials or how much those same Indian officials steal from public funds.\nCorruption in the west is like we're playing little league and India is up in the pro's. Now keep in mind that Russia is even more corrupt than India. And unfortunately Ukraine is almost as bad as Russia. Zelensky was elected on a platform to clean government up which honestly wasn't going that well before the war, his popularity was slipping. It's obvious he's trying to take advantage of his wartime popularity to make some progress in the issue, I hope that he succeeds.", ">\n\nAgreed. It is imperative for Ukraine to flush out corruption and establish a political elite and population that fights corruption rather than embrace it. Zelensky is certainly not perfect, but Im glad the conflict seems to have sped up his fight agains't corruption. I just hope our impressions are not misplaced. Ukraine must keep striving for lower corruption and more integrity. They are making efforts, I think. We will see in the coming years if the results can be seen and better measured.", ">\n\nEstablishing a political elite causes corruption, it doesn't fight it.", ">\n\nSlava Ukraini. Until victory.", ">\n\nHeroiam Slava!", ">\n\nRussia has been messing in our internal politics for a long time with scary effectiveness. When Ukraine was invaded I am not gonna lie I was scared that I would be fighting in WW3 in a few days or at best fight in it in a few years. But seeing how things have went I no longer have that fear. If anything I am glad the masks are finally off.", ">\n\nBoy is that tweet ever covered in weird pro Russian nut job tweets.\nI see them more often now. Is botting ramping up or just more noticeable as more sane people left Twitter lately? They also always tend to type like right wing Facebook boomers. Lots of 🤣🤣🤣 shit that signals you're dealing with someone with lead poisoning.", ">\n\nMost of them aren't 'real' people. Click on their profiles, look through their media for pictures of themselves or with family. Look through what they Tweet about. It's all about one particular topic, with some dodgy profile picture that could be anyone. These 'people' come across as real, will be verified (i.e. just buying a profile) but don't actually exist. Not bots, but not actual people either.", ">\n\nLike, there's no way the Kadri fanboy account is anything but a bot. No one would be that pathetic.", ">\n\nHow much longer can Russia's crumbling army can last?", ">\n\nI wouldn't underestimate them.", ">\n\nYeh true. It seams they almost want to die in a foreign county by the truckload per day. Living in ruSSia must be more shit it looks.", ">\n\nSoooo…. You think that advertising them here is the way to go?", ">\n\nIn my book, this thread is to discuss everything connected with this war. Pretending that something doesn't exists because we don't like it, doesn't seem to be the best idea.", ">\n\n\nPretending that something doesn't exists because we don't like it, doesn't seem to be the best idea.\n\nHave to get over this mentality - propaganda spreads by exposure, and even highlighting the propaganda as wrong can be used as a vehicle for spread. Key points:\n\nYou can describe it, but do not directly link. Linking provides exposure.\nIf you absolutely must link, link to something that summarizes the flaws in their argument, and one that does not link to source material.\n\nIt's a nice Enlightenment-era ideal that linking source material is always good, that the right idea always wins and that open spread of ideas always makes things better eventually. It's also completely idealistic bullshit, as shown by the digital era and the dynamics of political messaging.", ">\n\nOof. Well, if he had used those legs responsibly, i.e. to propel him back to where he belongs in a timely fashion, perhaps he'd still have them.", ">\n\nWell at least they died to \"enter sandman\"", ">\n\nIt's certainly much less humiliating than to have ones death go down in Internet history set to one of those sad deliberately inept flute renditions of various movie themes." ]
> I think Russians thinking everyone else is 'jealous' of them shows the true depths of the delusion cast upon them by their state. It's truly astonishing.
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.", ">\n\nHalf a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!", ">\n\nEven back then six months ago I didn't expect Russian sycophants to wildly celebrate every time they take something like a single salt mine. Our times keeps getting wilder and wilder.", ">\n\nGrasping at straws.", ">\n\nWhat is Putin's goal in Ukraine by this point anyway?\nFirst it was conquering the country, then it was installing a new government in Ukraine, in parallel to that it was \"denazifying the country\" by eliminating Azov. Then they released the Azovites, a few months after they captured them. Then it was defending their newly acquired oblasts, only to retreat from Kherson and Lyman.\nI feel like the only goal out of those they have stated that they are still pursuing is \"liberating Donbass\".", ">\n\nThere is no \"goal\" anymore. There is only the 'way.\" \nPutin will keep he war going and hope that he can somehow opportunisticly get to an end point that benefits him.", ">\n\nThis is not the way", ">\n\nThe way is not this", ">\n\nNot this is the way", ">\n\nSo, basically 3 are not done properly yet due to Ukraine gov failure, 1 because of EU failure and 3 have good progress. Yeah, definitely will take some time after war ends to finish all 7. Especially when some MPs keep sabotaging that progress.", ">\n\nI cant help but admire the Russian determination to die for Putin. I guess they made it a life goal of theirs to die for a dictator who couldn't give a shit about them. Maybe they love suffering. Maybe they love being able to commit a few warcrimes, act like animals, before they die. Y'know, act psychotic, steal, plunder, destroy, torture, commit a few murders and rapes before embracing your final doom. Bring nothing positive to the world. Just death and suffering. Do they think of their dear dictator living in luxury, right before death strikes them in no man's land?\nThey are being sent by the hundreds per day to die, and die, and die, and be maimed and mutilated. And yet, it doesn't seem they really care. More waves keep coming. What did they think happened to the previous waves?\nTheir culture really is fucked up. Enjoying slavely, enjoying suffering, enjoying subservience to the ''strong man'' dictator, abandonning any hope for a better future for them and their families, while the oligarchs steal and plunder the nation to their own ends, and send them to die for their own blunders and greed. Blaming everyone else for their own problems, and never even attempting to self-reflect or accept even some part of responsibility. Nihilism in its purest form.\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class. I do not deny it. But at least, we are AWARE of those problems, and we still have people who CARE and are CRITICAL of those problems, and still try to improve things. We haven't completely given up and we try to have hope and find solutions, and there are people in our societies who try to keep the powerful accountable, and are not completely cynical. We're far from perfect, but we try, and that's why people often like living in western societies. Because we try to build a decent society, we try to self-reflect, despite all of our shortcomings.\nUkraine did not attack Russia. They just wanted to be left alone, keep their 1991 borders and thrive with partners of their choice. Ukraine did not threaten anyone. They wanted democracy and self-determination. But Putin didn't give a shit. His fucking legacy, greed and delusional vision of history required him to launch one last psychotic war before he would fucking die. Piece of shit. I hope he gets to rot in hell when his time comes.", ">\n\n\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class.\n\nNot saying you meant to imply it but it is very important to not that corruption in western counties is not even remotely as bad as in places like Russia.\nFor instance my buddy in India was saying that if you don't bribe the person at the counter where you get your drivers license you'll get it in 6 months. Slip them the expected amount of money and you'll get it in a few days. Now apply that to every single government employee that you ever want to do something for you. And that includes the police, anyone that works for the government has their hand out all the time. If you don't pay maybe you don't get your license for a few extra months, or maybe you catch a beating from a cop and spend a few days in jail over what should have been a fine. And that doesn't even get into how the rich bribe higher up government officials or how much those same Indian officials steal from public funds.\nCorruption in the west is like we're playing little league and India is up in the pro's. Now keep in mind that Russia is even more corrupt than India. And unfortunately Ukraine is almost as bad as Russia. Zelensky was elected on a platform to clean government up which honestly wasn't going that well before the war, his popularity was slipping. It's obvious he's trying to take advantage of his wartime popularity to make some progress in the issue, I hope that he succeeds.", ">\n\nAgreed. It is imperative for Ukraine to flush out corruption and establish a political elite and population that fights corruption rather than embrace it. Zelensky is certainly not perfect, but Im glad the conflict seems to have sped up his fight agains't corruption. I just hope our impressions are not misplaced. Ukraine must keep striving for lower corruption and more integrity. They are making efforts, I think. We will see in the coming years if the results can be seen and better measured.", ">\n\nEstablishing a political elite causes corruption, it doesn't fight it.", ">\n\nSlava Ukraini. Until victory.", ">\n\nHeroiam Slava!", ">\n\nRussia has been messing in our internal politics for a long time with scary effectiveness. When Ukraine was invaded I am not gonna lie I was scared that I would be fighting in WW3 in a few days or at best fight in it in a few years. But seeing how things have went I no longer have that fear. If anything I am glad the masks are finally off.", ">\n\nBoy is that tweet ever covered in weird pro Russian nut job tweets.\nI see them more often now. Is botting ramping up or just more noticeable as more sane people left Twitter lately? They also always tend to type like right wing Facebook boomers. Lots of 🤣🤣🤣 shit that signals you're dealing with someone with lead poisoning.", ">\n\nMost of them aren't 'real' people. Click on their profiles, look through their media for pictures of themselves or with family. Look through what they Tweet about. It's all about one particular topic, with some dodgy profile picture that could be anyone. These 'people' come across as real, will be verified (i.e. just buying a profile) but don't actually exist. Not bots, but not actual people either.", ">\n\nLike, there's no way the Kadri fanboy account is anything but a bot. No one would be that pathetic.", ">\n\nHow much longer can Russia's crumbling army can last?", ">\n\nI wouldn't underestimate them.", ">\n\nYeh true. It seams they almost want to die in a foreign county by the truckload per day. Living in ruSSia must be more shit it looks.", ">\n\nSoooo…. You think that advertising them here is the way to go?", ">\n\nIn my book, this thread is to discuss everything connected with this war. Pretending that something doesn't exists because we don't like it, doesn't seem to be the best idea.", ">\n\n\nPretending that something doesn't exists because we don't like it, doesn't seem to be the best idea.\n\nHave to get over this mentality - propaganda spreads by exposure, and even highlighting the propaganda as wrong can be used as a vehicle for spread. Key points:\n\nYou can describe it, but do not directly link. Linking provides exposure.\nIf you absolutely must link, link to something that summarizes the flaws in their argument, and one that does not link to source material.\n\nIt's a nice Enlightenment-era ideal that linking source material is always good, that the right idea always wins and that open spread of ideas always makes things better eventually. It's also completely idealistic bullshit, as shown by the digital era and the dynamics of political messaging.", ">\n\nOof. Well, if he had used those legs responsibly, i.e. to propel him back to where he belongs in a timely fashion, perhaps he'd still have them.", ">\n\nWell at least they died to \"enter sandman\"", ">\n\nIt's certainly much less humiliating than to have ones death go down in Internet history set to one of those sad deliberately inept flute renditions of various movie themes.", ">\n\nI forget where I saw it - but a month or so ago there was a post from a Russian citizen claiming that the US was 'nothing but desert with no natural resources with its people starving to death' which is why the US is trying to 'take over Russia through Ukraine'.\nThey've reached North Korean levels of propaganda. Japan did the same thing in WW2, convincing their citizens that American troops were 'beasts' that would rape and torture them. It was the main factor behind the mass suicides in Okinawa." ]
> What's odd about that, is they think the world is jealous of Russia yet they themselves cannot wait to leave Russia to see the rest of the world. Remember the temper tantrums when many European states band Russian travelers?
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.", ">\n\nHalf a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!", ">\n\nEven back then six months ago I didn't expect Russian sycophants to wildly celebrate every time they take something like a single salt mine. Our times keeps getting wilder and wilder.", ">\n\nGrasping at straws.", ">\n\nWhat is Putin's goal in Ukraine by this point anyway?\nFirst it was conquering the country, then it was installing a new government in Ukraine, in parallel to that it was \"denazifying the country\" by eliminating Azov. Then they released the Azovites, a few months after they captured them. Then it was defending their newly acquired oblasts, only to retreat from Kherson and Lyman.\nI feel like the only goal out of those they have stated that they are still pursuing is \"liberating Donbass\".", ">\n\nThere is no \"goal\" anymore. There is only the 'way.\" \nPutin will keep he war going and hope that he can somehow opportunisticly get to an end point that benefits him.", ">\n\nThis is not the way", ">\n\nThe way is not this", ">\n\nNot this is the way", ">\n\nSo, basically 3 are not done properly yet due to Ukraine gov failure, 1 because of EU failure and 3 have good progress. Yeah, definitely will take some time after war ends to finish all 7. Especially when some MPs keep sabotaging that progress.", ">\n\nI cant help but admire the Russian determination to die for Putin. I guess they made it a life goal of theirs to die for a dictator who couldn't give a shit about them. Maybe they love suffering. Maybe they love being able to commit a few warcrimes, act like animals, before they die. Y'know, act psychotic, steal, plunder, destroy, torture, commit a few murders and rapes before embracing your final doom. Bring nothing positive to the world. Just death and suffering. Do they think of their dear dictator living in luxury, right before death strikes them in no man's land?\nThey are being sent by the hundreds per day to die, and die, and die, and be maimed and mutilated. And yet, it doesn't seem they really care. More waves keep coming. What did they think happened to the previous waves?\nTheir culture really is fucked up. Enjoying slavely, enjoying suffering, enjoying subservience to the ''strong man'' dictator, abandonning any hope for a better future for them and their families, while the oligarchs steal and plunder the nation to their own ends, and send them to die for their own blunders and greed. Blaming everyone else for their own problems, and never even attempting to self-reflect or accept even some part of responsibility. Nihilism in its purest form.\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class. I do not deny it. But at least, we are AWARE of those problems, and we still have people who CARE and are CRITICAL of those problems, and still try to improve things. We haven't completely given up and we try to have hope and find solutions, and there are people in our societies who try to keep the powerful accountable, and are not completely cynical. We're far from perfect, but we try, and that's why people often like living in western societies. Because we try to build a decent society, we try to self-reflect, despite all of our shortcomings.\nUkraine did not attack Russia. They just wanted to be left alone, keep their 1991 borders and thrive with partners of their choice. Ukraine did not threaten anyone. They wanted democracy and self-determination. But Putin didn't give a shit. His fucking legacy, greed and delusional vision of history required him to launch one last psychotic war before he would fucking die. Piece of shit. I hope he gets to rot in hell when his time comes.", ">\n\n\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class.\n\nNot saying you meant to imply it but it is very important to not that corruption in western counties is not even remotely as bad as in places like Russia.\nFor instance my buddy in India was saying that if you don't bribe the person at the counter where you get your drivers license you'll get it in 6 months. Slip them the expected amount of money and you'll get it in a few days. Now apply that to every single government employee that you ever want to do something for you. And that includes the police, anyone that works for the government has their hand out all the time. If you don't pay maybe you don't get your license for a few extra months, or maybe you catch a beating from a cop and spend a few days in jail over what should have been a fine. And that doesn't even get into how the rich bribe higher up government officials or how much those same Indian officials steal from public funds.\nCorruption in the west is like we're playing little league and India is up in the pro's. Now keep in mind that Russia is even more corrupt than India. And unfortunately Ukraine is almost as bad as Russia. Zelensky was elected on a platform to clean government up which honestly wasn't going that well before the war, his popularity was slipping. It's obvious he's trying to take advantage of his wartime popularity to make some progress in the issue, I hope that he succeeds.", ">\n\nAgreed. It is imperative for Ukraine to flush out corruption and establish a political elite and population that fights corruption rather than embrace it. Zelensky is certainly not perfect, but Im glad the conflict seems to have sped up his fight agains't corruption. I just hope our impressions are not misplaced. Ukraine must keep striving for lower corruption and more integrity. They are making efforts, I think. We will see in the coming years if the results can be seen and better measured.", ">\n\nEstablishing a political elite causes corruption, it doesn't fight it.", ">\n\nSlava Ukraini. Until victory.", ">\n\nHeroiam Slava!", ">\n\nRussia has been messing in our internal politics for a long time with scary effectiveness. When Ukraine was invaded I am not gonna lie I was scared that I would be fighting in WW3 in a few days or at best fight in it in a few years. But seeing how things have went I no longer have that fear. If anything I am glad the masks are finally off.", ">\n\nBoy is that tweet ever covered in weird pro Russian nut job tweets.\nI see them more often now. Is botting ramping up or just more noticeable as more sane people left Twitter lately? They also always tend to type like right wing Facebook boomers. Lots of 🤣🤣🤣 shit that signals you're dealing with someone with lead poisoning.", ">\n\nMost of them aren't 'real' people. Click on their profiles, look through their media for pictures of themselves or with family. Look through what they Tweet about. It's all about one particular topic, with some dodgy profile picture that could be anyone. These 'people' come across as real, will be verified (i.e. just buying a profile) but don't actually exist. Not bots, but not actual people either.", ">\n\nLike, there's no way the Kadri fanboy account is anything but a bot. No one would be that pathetic.", ">\n\nHow much longer can Russia's crumbling army can last?", ">\n\nI wouldn't underestimate them.", ">\n\nYeh true. It seams they almost want to die in a foreign county by the truckload per day. Living in ruSSia must be more shit it looks.", ">\n\nSoooo…. You think that advertising them here is the way to go?", ">\n\nIn my book, this thread is to discuss everything connected with this war. Pretending that something doesn't exists because we don't like it, doesn't seem to be the best idea.", ">\n\n\nPretending that something doesn't exists because we don't like it, doesn't seem to be the best idea.\n\nHave to get over this mentality - propaganda spreads by exposure, and even highlighting the propaganda as wrong can be used as a vehicle for spread. Key points:\n\nYou can describe it, but do not directly link. Linking provides exposure.\nIf you absolutely must link, link to something that summarizes the flaws in their argument, and one that does not link to source material.\n\nIt's a nice Enlightenment-era ideal that linking source material is always good, that the right idea always wins and that open spread of ideas always makes things better eventually. It's also completely idealistic bullshit, as shown by the digital era and the dynamics of political messaging.", ">\n\nOof. Well, if he had used those legs responsibly, i.e. to propel him back to where he belongs in a timely fashion, perhaps he'd still have them.", ">\n\nWell at least they died to \"enter sandman\"", ">\n\nIt's certainly much less humiliating than to have ones death go down in Internet history set to one of those sad deliberately inept flute renditions of various movie themes.", ">\n\nI forget where I saw it - but a month or so ago there was a post from a Russian citizen claiming that the US was 'nothing but desert with no natural resources with its people starving to death' which is why the US is trying to 'take over Russia through Ukraine'.\nThey've reached North Korean levels of propaganda. Japan did the same thing in WW2, convincing their citizens that American troops were 'beasts' that would rape and torture them. It was the main factor behind the mass suicides in Okinawa.", ">\n\nI think Russians thinking everyone else is 'jealous' of them shows the true depths of the delusion cast upon them by their state. It's truly astonishing." ]
> Bradleys left the US today, I wonder how long before we start seeing them on the front. Edit: Apologies I seen an article about the Bradley's leaving South Carolina posted today but they actually left last week
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.", ">\n\nHalf a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!", ">\n\nEven back then six months ago I didn't expect Russian sycophants to wildly celebrate every time they take something like a single salt mine. Our times keeps getting wilder and wilder.", ">\n\nGrasping at straws.", ">\n\nWhat is Putin's goal in Ukraine by this point anyway?\nFirst it was conquering the country, then it was installing a new government in Ukraine, in parallel to that it was \"denazifying the country\" by eliminating Azov. Then they released the Azovites, a few months after they captured them. Then it was defending their newly acquired oblasts, only to retreat from Kherson and Lyman.\nI feel like the only goal out of those they have stated that they are still pursuing is \"liberating Donbass\".", ">\n\nThere is no \"goal\" anymore. There is only the 'way.\" \nPutin will keep he war going and hope that he can somehow opportunisticly get to an end point that benefits him.", ">\n\nThis is not the way", ">\n\nThe way is not this", ">\n\nNot this is the way", ">\n\nSo, basically 3 are not done properly yet due to Ukraine gov failure, 1 because of EU failure and 3 have good progress. Yeah, definitely will take some time after war ends to finish all 7. Especially when some MPs keep sabotaging that progress.", ">\n\nI cant help but admire the Russian determination to die for Putin. I guess they made it a life goal of theirs to die for a dictator who couldn't give a shit about them. Maybe they love suffering. Maybe they love being able to commit a few warcrimes, act like animals, before they die. Y'know, act psychotic, steal, plunder, destroy, torture, commit a few murders and rapes before embracing your final doom. Bring nothing positive to the world. Just death and suffering. Do they think of their dear dictator living in luxury, right before death strikes them in no man's land?\nThey are being sent by the hundreds per day to die, and die, and die, and be maimed and mutilated. And yet, it doesn't seem they really care. More waves keep coming. What did they think happened to the previous waves?\nTheir culture really is fucked up. Enjoying slavely, enjoying suffering, enjoying subservience to the ''strong man'' dictator, abandonning any hope for a better future for them and their families, while the oligarchs steal and plunder the nation to their own ends, and send them to die for their own blunders and greed. Blaming everyone else for their own problems, and never even attempting to self-reflect or accept even some part of responsibility. Nihilism in its purest form.\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class. I do not deny it. But at least, we are AWARE of those problems, and we still have people who CARE and are CRITICAL of those problems, and still try to improve things. We haven't completely given up and we try to have hope and find solutions, and there are people in our societies who try to keep the powerful accountable, and are not completely cynical. We're far from perfect, but we try, and that's why people often like living in western societies. Because we try to build a decent society, we try to self-reflect, despite all of our shortcomings.\nUkraine did not attack Russia. They just wanted to be left alone, keep their 1991 borders and thrive with partners of their choice. Ukraine did not threaten anyone. They wanted democracy and self-determination. But Putin didn't give a shit. His fucking legacy, greed and delusional vision of history required him to launch one last psychotic war before he would fucking die. Piece of shit. I hope he gets to rot in hell when his time comes.", ">\n\n\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class.\n\nNot saying you meant to imply it but it is very important to not that corruption in western counties is not even remotely as bad as in places like Russia.\nFor instance my buddy in India was saying that if you don't bribe the person at the counter where you get your drivers license you'll get it in 6 months. Slip them the expected amount of money and you'll get it in a few days. Now apply that to every single government employee that you ever want to do something for you. And that includes the police, anyone that works for the government has their hand out all the time. If you don't pay maybe you don't get your license for a few extra months, or maybe you catch a beating from a cop and spend a few days in jail over what should have been a fine. And that doesn't even get into how the rich bribe higher up government officials or how much those same Indian officials steal from public funds.\nCorruption in the west is like we're playing little league and India is up in the pro's. Now keep in mind that Russia is even more corrupt than India. And unfortunately Ukraine is almost as bad as Russia. Zelensky was elected on a platform to clean government up which honestly wasn't going that well before the war, his popularity was slipping. It's obvious he's trying to take advantage of his wartime popularity to make some progress in the issue, I hope that he succeeds.", ">\n\nAgreed. It is imperative for Ukraine to flush out corruption and establish a political elite and population that fights corruption rather than embrace it. Zelensky is certainly not perfect, but Im glad the conflict seems to have sped up his fight agains't corruption. I just hope our impressions are not misplaced. Ukraine must keep striving for lower corruption and more integrity. They are making efforts, I think. We will see in the coming years if the results can be seen and better measured.", ">\n\nEstablishing a political elite causes corruption, it doesn't fight it.", ">\n\nSlava Ukraini. Until victory.", ">\n\nHeroiam Slava!", ">\n\nRussia has been messing in our internal politics for a long time with scary effectiveness. When Ukraine was invaded I am not gonna lie I was scared that I would be fighting in WW3 in a few days or at best fight in it in a few years. But seeing how things have went I no longer have that fear. If anything I am glad the masks are finally off.", ">\n\nBoy is that tweet ever covered in weird pro Russian nut job tweets.\nI see them more often now. Is botting ramping up or just more noticeable as more sane people left Twitter lately? They also always tend to type like right wing Facebook boomers. Lots of 🤣🤣🤣 shit that signals you're dealing with someone with lead poisoning.", ">\n\nMost of them aren't 'real' people. Click on their profiles, look through their media for pictures of themselves or with family. Look through what they Tweet about. It's all about one particular topic, with some dodgy profile picture that could be anyone. These 'people' come across as real, will be verified (i.e. just buying a profile) but don't actually exist. Not bots, but not actual people either.", ">\n\nLike, there's no way the Kadri fanboy account is anything but a bot. No one would be that pathetic.", ">\n\nHow much longer can Russia's crumbling army can last?", ">\n\nI wouldn't underestimate them.", ">\n\nYeh true. It seams they almost want to die in a foreign county by the truckload per day. Living in ruSSia must be more shit it looks.", ">\n\nSoooo…. You think that advertising them here is the way to go?", ">\n\nIn my book, this thread is to discuss everything connected with this war. Pretending that something doesn't exists because we don't like it, doesn't seem to be the best idea.", ">\n\n\nPretending that something doesn't exists because we don't like it, doesn't seem to be the best idea.\n\nHave to get over this mentality - propaganda spreads by exposure, and even highlighting the propaganda as wrong can be used as a vehicle for spread. Key points:\n\nYou can describe it, but do not directly link. Linking provides exposure.\nIf you absolutely must link, link to something that summarizes the flaws in their argument, and one that does not link to source material.\n\nIt's a nice Enlightenment-era ideal that linking source material is always good, that the right idea always wins and that open spread of ideas always makes things better eventually. It's also completely idealistic bullshit, as shown by the digital era and the dynamics of political messaging.", ">\n\nOof. Well, if he had used those legs responsibly, i.e. to propel him back to where he belongs in a timely fashion, perhaps he'd still have them.", ">\n\nWell at least they died to \"enter sandman\"", ">\n\nIt's certainly much less humiliating than to have ones death go down in Internet history set to one of those sad deliberately inept flute renditions of various movie themes.", ">\n\nI forget where I saw it - but a month or so ago there was a post from a Russian citizen claiming that the US was 'nothing but desert with no natural resources with its people starving to death' which is why the US is trying to 'take over Russia through Ukraine'.\nThey've reached North Korean levels of propaganda. Japan did the same thing in WW2, convincing their citizens that American troops were 'beasts' that would rape and torture them. It was the main factor behind the mass suicides in Okinawa.", ">\n\nI think Russians thinking everyone else is 'jealous' of them shows the true depths of the delusion cast upon them by their state. It's truly astonishing.", ">\n\nWhat's odd about that, is they think the world is jealous of Russia yet they themselves cannot wait to leave Russia to see the rest of the world. Remember the temper tantrums when many European states band Russian travelers?" ]
> They have been in transit for over a week. Maybe you meant another shipment?
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.", ">\n\nHalf a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!", ">\n\nEven back then six months ago I didn't expect Russian sycophants to wildly celebrate every time they take something like a single salt mine. Our times keeps getting wilder and wilder.", ">\n\nGrasping at straws.", ">\n\nWhat is Putin's goal in Ukraine by this point anyway?\nFirst it was conquering the country, then it was installing a new government in Ukraine, in parallel to that it was \"denazifying the country\" by eliminating Azov. Then they released the Azovites, a few months after they captured them. Then it was defending their newly acquired oblasts, only to retreat from Kherson and Lyman.\nI feel like the only goal out of those they have stated that they are still pursuing is \"liberating Donbass\".", ">\n\nThere is no \"goal\" anymore. There is only the 'way.\" \nPutin will keep he war going and hope that he can somehow opportunisticly get to an end point that benefits him.", ">\n\nThis is not the way", ">\n\nThe way is not this", ">\n\nNot this is the way", ">\n\nSo, basically 3 are not done properly yet due to Ukraine gov failure, 1 because of EU failure and 3 have good progress. Yeah, definitely will take some time after war ends to finish all 7. Especially when some MPs keep sabotaging that progress.", ">\n\nI cant help but admire the Russian determination to die for Putin. I guess they made it a life goal of theirs to die for a dictator who couldn't give a shit about them. Maybe they love suffering. Maybe they love being able to commit a few warcrimes, act like animals, before they die. Y'know, act psychotic, steal, plunder, destroy, torture, commit a few murders and rapes before embracing your final doom. Bring nothing positive to the world. Just death and suffering. Do they think of their dear dictator living in luxury, right before death strikes them in no man's land?\nThey are being sent by the hundreds per day to die, and die, and die, and be maimed and mutilated. And yet, it doesn't seem they really care. More waves keep coming. What did they think happened to the previous waves?\nTheir culture really is fucked up. Enjoying slavely, enjoying suffering, enjoying subservience to the ''strong man'' dictator, abandonning any hope for a better future for them and their families, while the oligarchs steal and plunder the nation to their own ends, and send them to die for their own blunders and greed. Blaming everyone else for their own problems, and never even attempting to self-reflect or accept even some part of responsibility. Nihilism in its purest form.\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class. I do not deny it. But at least, we are AWARE of those problems, and we still have people who CARE and are CRITICAL of those problems, and still try to improve things. We haven't completely given up and we try to have hope and find solutions, and there are people in our societies who try to keep the powerful accountable, and are not completely cynical. We're far from perfect, but we try, and that's why people often like living in western societies. Because we try to build a decent society, we try to self-reflect, despite all of our shortcomings.\nUkraine did not attack Russia. They just wanted to be left alone, keep their 1991 borders and thrive with partners of their choice. Ukraine did not threaten anyone. They wanted democracy and self-determination. But Putin didn't give a shit. His fucking legacy, greed and delusional vision of history required him to launch one last psychotic war before he would fucking die. Piece of shit. I hope he gets to rot in hell when his time comes.", ">\n\n\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class.\n\nNot saying you meant to imply it but it is very important to not that corruption in western counties is not even remotely as bad as in places like Russia.\nFor instance my buddy in India was saying that if you don't bribe the person at the counter where you get your drivers license you'll get it in 6 months. Slip them the expected amount of money and you'll get it in a few days. Now apply that to every single government employee that you ever want to do something for you. And that includes the police, anyone that works for the government has their hand out all the time. If you don't pay maybe you don't get your license for a few extra months, or maybe you catch a beating from a cop and spend a few days in jail over what should have been a fine. And that doesn't even get into how the rich bribe higher up government officials or how much those same Indian officials steal from public funds.\nCorruption in the west is like we're playing little league and India is up in the pro's. Now keep in mind that Russia is even more corrupt than India. And unfortunately Ukraine is almost as bad as Russia. Zelensky was elected on a platform to clean government up which honestly wasn't going that well before the war, his popularity was slipping. It's obvious he's trying to take advantage of his wartime popularity to make some progress in the issue, I hope that he succeeds.", ">\n\nAgreed. It is imperative for Ukraine to flush out corruption and establish a political elite and population that fights corruption rather than embrace it. Zelensky is certainly not perfect, but Im glad the conflict seems to have sped up his fight agains't corruption. I just hope our impressions are not misplaced. Ukraine must keep striving for lower corruption and more integrity. They are making efforts, I think. We will see in the coming years if the results can be seen and better measured.", ">\n\nEstablishing a political elite causes corruption, it doesn't fight it.", ">\n\nSlava Ukraini. Until victory.", ">\n\nHeroiam Slava!", ">\n\nRussia has been messing in our internal politics for a long time with scary effectiveness. When Ukraine was invaded I am not gonna lie I was scared that I would be fighting in WW3 in a few days or at best fight in it in a few years. But seeing how things have went I no longer have that fear. If anything I am glad the masks are finally off.", ">\n\nBoy is that tweet ever covered in weird pro Russian nut job tweets.\nI see them more often now. Is botting ramping up or just more noticeable as more sane people left Twitter lately? They also always tend to type like right wing Facebook boomers. Lots of 🤣🤣🤣 shit that signals you're dealing with someone with lead poisoning.", ">\n\nMost of them aren't 'real' people. Click on their profiles, look through their media for pictures of themselves or with family. Look through what they Tweet about. It's all about one particular topic, with some dodgy profile picture that could be anyone. These 'people' come across as real, will be verified (i.e. just buying a profile) but don't actually exist. Not bots, but not actual people either.", ">\n\nLike, there's no way the Kadri fanboy account is anything but a bot. No one would be that pathetic.", ">\n\nHow much longer can Russia's crumbling army can last?", ">\n\nI wouldn't underestimate them.", ">\n\nYeh true. It seams they almost want to die in a foreign county by the truckload per day. Living in ruSSia must be more shit it looks.", ">\n\nSoooo…. You think that advertising them here is the way to go?", ">\n\nIn my book, this thread is to discuss everything connected with this war. Pretending that something doesn't exists because we don't like it, doesn't seem to be the best idea.", ">\n\n\nPretending that something doesn't exists because we don't like it, doesn't seem to be the best idea.\n\nHave to get over this mentality - propaganda spreads by exposure, and even highlighting the propaganda as wrong can be used as a vehicle for spread. Key points:\n\nYou can describe it, but do not directly link. Linking provides exposure.\nIf you absolutely must link, link to something that summarizes the flaws in their argument, and one that does not link to source material.\n\nIt's a nice Enlightenment-era ideal that linking source material is always good, that the right idea always wins and that open spread of ideas always makes things better eventually. It's also completely idealistic bullshit, as shown by the digital era and the dynamics of political messaging.", ">\n\nOof. Well, if he had used those legs responsibly, i.e. to propel him back to where he belongs in a timely fashion, perhaps he'd still have them.", ">\n\nWell at least they died to \"enter sandman\"", ">\n\nIt's certainly much less humiliating than to have ones death go down in Internet history set to one of those sad deliberately inept flute renditions of various movie themes.", ">\n\nI forget where I saw it - but a month or so ago there was a post from a Russian citizen claiming that the US was 'nothing but desert with no natural resources with its people starving to death' which is why the US is trying to 'take over Russia through Ukraine'.\nThey've reached North Korean levels of propaganda. Japan did the same thing in WW2, convincing their citizens that American troops were 'beasts' that would rape and torture them. It was the main factor behind the mass suicides in Okinawa.", ">\n\nI think Russians thinking everyone else is 'jealous' of them shows the true depths of the delusion cast upon them by their state. It's truly astonishing.", ">\n\nWhat's odd about that, is they think the world is jealous of Russia yet they themselves cannot wait to leave Russia to see the rest of the world. Remember the temper tantrums when many European states band Russian travelers?", ">\n\nBradleys left the US today, I wonder how long before we start seeing them on the front.\nEdit: Apologies I seen an article about the Bradley's leaving South Carolina posted today but they actually left last week" ]
> I'm not exactly enraged by it. I'd rather say that I'm a little disappointed but hoping that they will come to their senses and send them at a later point. However, that later point will have to be soon.
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.", ">\n\nHalf a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!", ">\n\nEven back then six months ago I didn't expect Russian sycophants to wildly celebrate every time they take something like a single salt mine. Our times keeps getting wilder and wilder.", ">\n\nGrasping at straws.", ">\n\nWhat is Putin's goal in Ukraine by this point anyway?\nFirst it was conquering the country, then it was installing a new government in Ukraine, in parallel to that it was \"denazifying the country\" by eliminating Azov. Then they released the Azovites, a few months after they captured them. Then it was defending their newly acquired oblasts, only to retreat from Kherson and Lyman.\nI feel like the only goal out of those they have stated that they are still pursuing is \"liberating Donbass\".", ">\n\nThere is no \"goal\" anymore. There is only the 'way.\" \nPutin will keep he war going and hope that he can somehow opportunisticly get to an end point that benefits him.", ">\n\nThis is not the way", ">\n\nThe way is not this", ">\n\nNot this is the way", ">\n\nSo, basically 3 are not done properly yet due to Ukraine gov failure, 1 because of EU failure and 3 have good progress. Yeah, definitely will take some time after war ends to finish all 7. Especially when some MPs keep sabotaging that progress.", ">\n\nI cant help but admire the Russian determination to die for Putin. I guess they made it a life goal of theirs to die for a dictator who couldn't give a shit about them. Maybe they love suffering. Maybe they love being able to commit a few warcrimes, act like animals, before they die. Y'know, act psychotic, steal, plunder, destroy, torture, commit a few murders and rapes before embracing your final doom. Bring nothing positive to the world. Just death and suffering. Do they think of their dear dictator living in luxury, right before death strikes them in no man's land?\nThey are being sent by the hundreds per day to die, and die, and die, and be maimed and mutilated. And yet, it doesn't seem they really care. More waves keep coming. What did they think happened to the previous waves?\nTheir culture really is fucked up. Enjoying slavely, enjoying suffering, enjoying subservience to the ''strong man'' dictator, abandonning any hope for a better future for them and their families, while the oligarchs steal and plunder the nation to their own ends, and send them to die for their own blunders and greed. Blaming everyone else for their own problems, and never even attempting to self-reflect or accept even some part of responsibility. Nihilism in its purest form.\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class. I do not deny it. But at least, we are AWARE of those problems, and we still have people who CARE and are CRITICAL of those problems, and still try to improve things. We haven't completely given up and we try to have hope and find solutions, and there are people in our societies who try to keep the powerful accountable, and are not completely cynical. We're far from perfect, but we try, and that's why people often like living in western societies. Because we try to build a decent society, we try to self-reflect, despite all of our shortcomings.\nUkraine did not attack Russia. They just wanted to be left alone, keep their 1991 borders and thrive with partners of their choice. Ukraine did not threaten anyone. They wanted democracy and self-determination. But Putin didn't give a shit. His fucking legacy, greed and delusional vision of history required him to launch one last psychotic war before he would fucking die. Piece of shit. I hope he gets to rot in hell when his time comes.", ">\n\n\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class.\n\nNot saying you meant to imply it but it is very important to not that corruption in western counties is not even remotely as bad as in places like Russia.\nFor instance my buddy in India was saying that if you don't bribe the person at the counter where you get your drivers license you'll get it in 6 months. Slip them the expected amount of money and you'll get it in a few days. Now apply that to every single government employee that you ever want to do something for you. And that includes the police, anyone that works for the government has their hand out all the time. If you don't pay maybe you don't get your license for a few extra months, or maybe you catch a beating from a cop and spend a few days in jail over what should have been a fine. And that doesn't even get into how the rich bribe higher up government officials or how much those same Indian officials steal from public funds.\nCorruption in the west is like we're playing little league and India is up in the pro's. Now keep in mind that Russia is even more corrupt than India. And unfortunately Ukraine is almost as bad as Russia. Zelensky was elected on a platform to clean government up which honestly wasn't going that well before the war, his popularity was slipping. It's obvious he's trying to take advantage of his wartime popularity to make some progress in the issue, I hope that he succeeds.", ">\n\nAgreed. It is imperative for Ukraine to flush out corruption and establish a political elite and population that fights corruption rather than embrace it. Zelensky is certainly not perfect, but Im glad the conflict seems to have sped up his fight agains't corruption. I just hope our impressions are not misplaced. Ukraine must keep striving for lower corruption and more integrity. They are making efforts, I think. We will see in the coming years if the results can be seen and better measured.", ">\n\nEstablishing a political elite causes corruption, it doesn't fight it.", ">\n\nSlava Ukraini. Until victory.", ">\n\nHeroiam Slava!", ">\n\nRussia has been messing in our internal politics for a long time with scary effectiveness. When Ukraine was invaded I am not gonna lie I was scared that I would be fighting in WW3 in a few days or at best fight in it in a few years. But seeing how things have went I no longer have that fear. If anything I am glad the masks are finally off.", ">\n\nBoy is that tweet ever covered in weird pro Russian nut job tweets.\nI see them more often now. Is botting ramping up or just more noticeable as more sane people left Twitter lately? They also always tend to type like right wing Facebook boomers. Lots of 🤣🤣🤣 shit that signals you're dealing with someone with lead poisoning.", ">\n\nMost of them aren't 'real' people. Click on their profiles, look through their media for pictures of themselves or with family. Look through what they Tweet about. It's all about one particular topic, with some dodgy profile picture that could be anyone. These 'people' come across as real, will be verified (i.e. just buying a profile) but don't actually exist. Not bots, but not actual people either.", ">\n\nLike, there's no way the Kadri fanboy account is anything but a bot. No one would be that pathetic.", ">\n\nHow much longer can Russia's crumbling army can last?", ">\n\nI wouldn't underestimate them.", ">\n\nYeh true. It seams they almost want to die in a foreign county by the truckload per day. Living in ruSSia must be more shit it looks.", ">\n\nSoooo…. You think that advertising them here is the way to go?", ">\n\nIn my book, this thread is to discuss everything connected with this war. Pretending that something doesn't exists because we don't like it, doesn't seem to be the best idea.", ">\n\n\nPretending that something doesn't exists because we don't like it, doesn't seem to be the best idea.\n\nHave to get over this mentality - propaganda spreads by exposure, and even highlighting the propaganda as wrong can be used as a vehicle for spread. Key points:\n\nYou can describe it, but do not directly link. Linking provides exposure.\nIf you absolutely must link, link to something that summarizes the flaws in their argument, and one that does not link to source material.\n\nIt's a nice Enlightenment-era ideal that linking source material is always good, that the right idea always wins and that open spread of ideas always makes things better eventually. It's also completely idealistic bullshit, as shown by the digital era and the dynamics of political messaging.", ">\n\nOof. Well, if he had used those legs responsibly, i.e. to propel him back to where he belongs in a timely fashion, perhaps he'd still have them.", ">\n\nWell at least they died to \"enter sandman\"", ">\n\nIt's certainly much less humiliating than to have ones death go down in Internet history set to one of those sad deliberately inept flute renditions of various movie themes.", ">\n\nI forget where I saw it - but a month or so ago there was a post from a Russian citizen claiming that the US was 'nothing but desert with no natural resources with its people starving to death' which is why the US is trying to 'take over Russia through Ukraine'.\nThey've reached North Korean levels of propaganda. Japan did the same thing in WW2, convincing their citizens that American troops were 'beasts' that would rape and torture them. It was the main factor behind the mass suicides in Okinawa.", ">\n\nI think Russians thinking everyone else is 'jealous' of them shows the true depths of the delusion cast upon them by their state. It's truly astonishing.", ">\n\nWhat's odd about that, is they think the world is jealous of Russia yet they themselves cannot wait to leave Russia to see the rest of the world. Remember the temper tantrums when many European states band Russian travelers?", ">\n\nBradleys left the US today, I wonder how long before we start seeing them on the front.\nEdit: Apologies I seen an article about the Bradley's leaving South Carolina posted today but they actually left last week", ">\n\nThey have been in transit for over a week. Maybe you meant another shipment?" ]
> Day CCCXLIII, Part I. Thread CDLXXXIV.
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.", ">\n\nHalf a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!", ">\n\nEven back then six months ago I didn't expect Russian sycophants to wildly celebrate every time they take something like a single salt mine. Our times keeps getting wilder and wilder.", ">\n\nGrasping at straws.", ">\n\nWhat is Putin's goal in Ukraine by this point anyway?\nFirst it was conquering the country, then it was installing a new government in Ukraine, in parallel to that it was \"denazifying the country\" by eliminating Azov. Then they released the Azovites, a few months after they captured them. Then it was defending their newly acquired oblasts, only to retreat from Kherson and Lyman.\nI feel like the only goal out of those they have stated that they are still pursuing is \"liberating Donbass\".", ">\n\nThere is no \"goal\" anymore. There is only the 'way.\" \nPutin will keep he war going and hope that he can somehow opportunisticly get to an end point that benefits him.", ">\n\nThis is not the way", ">\n\nThe way is not this", ">\n\nNot this is the way", ">\n\nSo, basically 3 are not done properly yet due to Ukraine gov failure, 1 because of EU failure and 3 have good progress. Yeah, definitely will take some time after war ends to finish all 7. Especially when some MPs keep sabotaging that progress.", ">\n\nI cant help but admire the Russian determination to die for Putin. I guess they made it a life goal of theirs to die for a dictator who couldn't give a shit about them. Maybe they love suffering. Maybe they love being able to commit a few warcrimes, act like animals, before they die. Y'know, act psychotic, steal, plunder, destroy, torture, commit a few murders and rapes before embracing your final doom. Bring nothing positive to the world. Just death and suffering. Do they think of their dear dictator living in luxury, right before death strikes them in no man's land?\nThey are being sent by the hundreds per day to die, and die, and die, and be maimed and mutilated. And yet, it doesn't seem they really care. More waves keep coming. What did they think happened to the previous waves?\nTheir culture really is fucked up. Enjoying slavely, enjoying suffering, enjoying subservience to the ''strong man'' dictator, abandonning any hope for a better future for them and their families, while the oligarchs steal and plunder the nation to their own ends, and send them to die for their own blunders and greed. Blaming everyone else for their own problems, and never even attempting to self-reflect or accept even some part of responsibility. Nihilism in its purest form.\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class. I do not deny it. But at least, we are AWARE of those problems, and we still have people who CARE and are CRITICAL of those problems, and still try to improve things. We haven't completely given up and we try to have hope and find solutions, and there are people in our societies who try to keep the powerful accountable, and are not completely cynical. We're far from perfect, but we try, and that's why people often like living in western societies. Because we try to build a decent society, we try to self-reflect, despite all of our shortcomings.\nUkraine did not attack Russia. They just wanted to be left alone, keep their 1991 borders and thrive with partners of their choice. Ukraine did not threaten anyone. They wanted democracy and self-determination. But Putin didn't give a shit. His fucking legacy, greed and delusional vision of history required him to launch one last psychotic war before he would fucking die. Piece of shit. I hope he gets to rot in hell when his time comes.", ">\n\n\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class.\n\nNot saying you meant to imply it but it is very important to not that corruption in western counties is not even remotely as bad as in places like Russia.\nFor instance my buddy in India was saying that if you don't bribe the person at the counter where you get your drivers license you'll get it in 6 months. Slip them the expected amount of money and you'll get it in a few days. Now apply that to every single government employee that you ever want to do something for you. And that includes the police, anyone that works for the government has their hand out all the time. If you don't pay maybe you don't get your license for a few extra months, or maybe you catch a beating from a cop and spend a few days in jail over what should have been a fine. And that doesn't even get into how the rich bribe higher up government officials or how much those same Indian officials steal from public funds.\nCorruption in the west is like we're playing little league and India is up in the pro's. Now keep in mind that Russia is even more corrupt than India. And unfortunately Ukraine is almost as bad as Russia. Zelensky was elected on a platform to clean government up which honestly wasn't going that well before the war, his popularity was slipping. It's obvious he's trying to take advantage of his wartime popularity to make some progress in the issue, I hope that he succeeds.", ">\n\nAgreed. It is imperative for Ukraine to flush out corruption and establish a political elite and population that fights corruption rather than embrace it. Zelensky is certainly not perfect, but Im glad the conflict seems to have sped up his fight agains't corruption. I just hope our impressions are not misplaced. Ukraine must keep striving for lower corruption and more integrity. They are making efforts, I think. We will see in the coming years if the results can be seen and better measured.", ">\n\nEstablishing a political elite causes corruption, it doesn't fight it.", ">\n\nSlava Ukraini. Until victory.", ">\n\nHeroiam Slava!", ">\n\nRussia has been messing in our internal politics for a long time with scary effectiveness. When Ukraine was invaded I am not gonna lie I was scared that I would be fighting in WW3 in a few days or at best fight in it in a few years. But seeing how things have went I no longer have that fear. If anything I am glad the masks are finally off.", ">\n\nBoy is that tweet ever covered in weird pro Russian nut job tweets.\nI see them more often now. Is botting ramping up or just more noticeable as more sane people left Twitter lately? They also always tend to type like right wing Facebook boomers. Lots of 🤣🤣🤣 shit that signals you're dealing with someone with lead poisoning.", ">\n\nMost of them aren't 'real' people. Click on their profiles, look through their media for pictures of themselves or with family. Look through what they Tweet about. It's all about one particular topic, with some dodgy profile picture that could be anyone. These 'people' come across as real, will be verified (i.e. just buying a profile) but don't actually exist. Not bots, but not actual people either.", ">\n\nLike, there's no way the Kadri fanboy account is anything but a bot. No one would be that pathetic.", ">\n\nHow much longer can Russia's crumbling army can last?", ">\n\nI wouldn't underestimate them.", ">\n\nYeh true. It seams they almost want to die in a foreign county by the truckload per day. Living in ruSSia must be more shit it looks.", ">\n\nSoooo…. You think that advertising them here is the way to go?", ">\n\nIn my book, this thread is to discuss everything connected with this war. Pretending that something doesn't exists because we don't like it, doesn't seem to be the best idea.", ">\n\n\nPretending that something doesn't exists because we don't like it, doesn't seem to be the best idea.\n\nHave to get over this mentality - propaganda spreads by exposure, and even highlighting the propaganda as wrong can be used as a vehicle for spread. Key points:\n\nYou can describe it, but do not directly link. Linking provides exposure.\nIf you absolutely must link, link to something that summarizes the flaws in their argument, and one that does not link to source material.\n\nIt's a nice Enlightenment-era ideal that linking source material is always good, that the right idea always wins and that open spread of ideas always makes things better eventually. It's also completely idealistic bullshit, as shown by the digital era and the dynamics of political messaging.", ">\n\nOof. Well, if he had used those legs responsibly, i.e. to propel him back to where he belongs in a timely fashion, perhaps he'd still have them.", ">\n\nWell at least they died to \"enter sandman\"", ">\n\nIt's certainly much less humiliating than to have ones death go down in Internet history set to one of those sad deliberately inept flute renditions of various movie themes.", ">\n\nI forget where I saw it - but a month or so ago there was a post from a Russian citizen claiming that the US was 'nothing but desert with no natural resources with its people starving to death' which is why the US is trying to 'take over Russia through Ukraine'.\nThey've reached North Korean levels of propaganda. Japan did the same thing in WW2, convincing their citizens that American troops were 'beasts' that would rape and torture them. It was the main factor behind the mass suicides in Okinawa.", ">\n\nI think Russians thinking everyone else is 'jealous' of them shows the true depths of the delusion cast upon them by their state. It's truly astonishing.", ">\n\nWhat's odd about that, is they think the world is jealous of Russia yet they themselves cannot wait to leave Russia to see the rest of the world. Remember the temper tantrums when many European states band Russian travelers?", ">\n\nBradleys left the US today, I wonder how long before we start seeing them on the front.\nEdit: Apologies I seen an article about the Bradley's leaving South Carolina posted today but they actually left last week", ">\n\nThey have been in transit for over a week. Maybe you meant another shipment?", ">\n\nI'm not exactly enraged by it. I'd rather say that I'm a little disappointed but hoping that they will come to their senses and send them at a later point. However, that later point will have to be soon." ]
> Well if nothing else, this war is helping me practise roman numerals
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.", ">\n\nHalf a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!", ">\n\nEven back then six months ago I didn't expect Russian sycophants to wildly celebrate every time they take something like a single salt mine. Our times keeps getting wilder and wilder.", ">\n\nGrasping at straws.", ">\n\nWhat is Putin's goal in Ukraine by this point anyway?\nFirst it was conquering the country, then it was installing a new government in Ukraine, in parallel to that it was \"denazifying the country\" by eliminating Azov. Then they released the Azovites, a few months after they captured them. Then it was defending their newly acquired oblasts, only to retreat from Kherson and Lyman.\nI feel like the only goal out of those they have stated that they are still pursuing is \"liberating Donbass\".", ">\n\nThere is no \"goal\" anymore. There is only the 'way.\" \nPutin will keep he war going and hope that he can somehow opportunisticly get to an end point that benefits him.", ">\n\nThis is not the way", ">\n\nThe way is not this", ">\n\nNot this is the way", ">\n\nSo, basically 3 are not done properly yet due to Ukraine gov failure, 1 because of EU failure and 3 have good progress. Yeah, definitely will take some time after war ends to finish all 7. Especially when some MPs keep sabotaging that progress.", ">\n\nI cant help but admire the Russian determination to die for Putin. I guess they made it a life goal of theirs to die for a dictator who couldn't give a shit about them. Maybe they love suffering. Maybe they love being able to commit a few warcrimes, act like animals, before they die. Y'know, act psychotic, steal, plunder, destroy, torture, commit a few murders and rapes before embracing your final doom. Bring nothing positive to the world. Just death and suffering. Do they think of their dear dictator living in luxury, right before death strikes them in no man's land?\nThey are being sent by the hundreds per day to die, and die, and die, and be maimed and mutilated. And yet, it doesn't seem they really care. More waves keep coming. What did they think happened to the previous waves?\nTheir culture really is fucked up. Enjoying slavely, enjoying suffering, enjoying subservience to the ''strong man'' dictator, abandonning any hope for a better future for them and their families, while the oligarchs steal and plunder the nation to their own ends, and send them to die for their own blunders and greed. Blaming everyone else for their own problems, and never even attempting to self-reflect or accept even some part of responsibility. Nihilism in its purest form.\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class. I do not deny it. But at least, we are AWARE of those problems, and we still have people who CARE and are CRITICAL of those problems, and still try to improve things. We haven't completely given up and we try to have hope and find solutions, and there are people in our societies who try to keep the powerful accountable, and are not completely cynical. We're far from perfect, but we try, and that's why people often like living in western societies. Because we try to build a decent society, we try to self-reflect, despite all of our shortcomings.\nUkraine did not attack Russia. They just wanted to be left alone, keep their 1991 borders and thrive with partners of their choice. Ukraine did not threaten anyone. They wanted democracy and self-determination. But Putin didn't give a shit. His fucking legacy, greed and delusional vision of history required him to launch one last psychotic war before he would fucking die. Piece of shit. I hope he gets to rot in hell when his time comes.", ">\n\n\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class.\n\nNot saying you meant to imply it but it is very important to not that corruption in western counties is not even remotely as bad as in places like Russia.\nFor instance my buddy in India was saying that if you don't bribe the person at the counter where you get your drivers license you'll get it in 6 months. Slip them the expected amount of money and you'll get it in a few days. Now apply that to every single government employee that you ever want to do something for you. And that includes the police, anyone that works for the government has their hand out all the time. If you don't pay maybe you don't get your license for a few extra months, or maybe you catch a beating from a cop and spend a few days in jail over what should have been a fine. And that doesn't even get into how the rich bribe higher up government officials or how much those same Indian officials steal from public funds.\nCorruption in the west is like we're playing little league and India is up in the pro's. Now keep in mind that Russia is even more corrupt than India. And unfortunately Ukraine is almost as bad as Russia. Zelensky was elected on a platform to clean government up which honestly wasn't going that well before the war, his popularity was slipping. It's obvious he's trying to take advantage of his wartime popularity to make some progress in the issue, I hope that he succeeds.", ">\n\nAgreed. It is imperative for Ukraine to flush out corruption and establish a political elite and population that fights corruption rather than embrace it. Zelensky is certainly not perfect, but Im glad the conflict seems to have sped up his fight agains't corruption. I just hope our impressions are not misplaced. Ukraine must keep striving for lower corruption and more integrity. They are making efforts, I think. We will see in the coming years if the results can be seen and better measured.", ">\n\nEstablishing a political elite causes corruption, it doesn't fight it.", ">\n\nSlava Ukraini. Until victory.", ">\n\nHeroiam Slava!", ">\n\nRussia has been messing in our internal politics for a long time with scary effectiveness. When Ukraine was invaded I am not gonna lie I was scared that I would be fighting in WW3 in a few days or at best fight in it in a few years. But seeing how things have went I no longer have that fear. If anything I am glad the masks are finally off.", ">\n\nBoy is that tweet ever covered in weird pro Russian nut job tweets.\nI see them more often now. Is botting ramping up or just more noticeable as more sane people left Twitter lately? They also always tend to type like right wing Facebook boomers. Lots of 🤣🤣🤣 shit that signals you're dealing with someone with lead poisoning.", ">\n\nMost of them aren't 'real' people. Click on their profiles, look through their media for pictures of themselves or with family. Look through what they Tweet about. It's all about one particular topic, with some dodgy profile picture that could be anyone. These 'people' come across as real, will be verified (i.e. just buying a profile) but don't actually exist. Not bots, but not actual people either.", ">\n\nLike, there's no way the Kadri fanboy account is anything but a bot. No one would be that pathetic.", ">\n\nHow much longer can Russia's crumbling army can last?", ">\n\nI wouldn't underestimate them.", ">\n\nYeh true. It seams they almost want to die in a foreign county by the truckload per day. Living in ruSSia must be more shit it looks.", ">\n\nSoooo…. You think that advertising them here is the way to go?", ">\n\nIn my book, this thread is to discuss everything connected with this war. Pretending that something doesn't exists because we don't like it, doesn't seem to be the best idea.", ">\n\n\nPretending that something doesn't exists because we don't like it, doesn't seem to be the best idea.\n\nHave to get over this mentality - propaganda spreads by exposure, and even highlighting the propaganda as wrong can be used as a vehicle for spread. Key points:\n\nYou can describe it, but do not directly link. Linking provides exposure.\nIf you absolutely must link, link to something that summarizes the flaws in their argument, and one that does not link to source material.\n\nIt's a nice Enlightenment-era ideal that linking source material is always good, that the right idea always wins and that open spread of ideas always makes things better eventually. It's also completely idealistic bullshit, as shown by the digital era and the dynamics of political messaging.", ">\n\nOof. Well, if he had used those legs responsibly, i.e. to propel him back to where he belongs in a timely fashion, perhaps he'd still have them.", ">\n\nWell at least they died to \"enter sandman\"", ">\n\nIt's certainly much less humiliating than to have ones death go down in Internet history set to one of those sad deliberately inept flute renditions of various movie themes.", ">\n\nI forget where I saw it - but a month or so ago there was a post from a Russian citizen claiming that the US was 'nothing but desert with no natural resources with its people starving to death' which is why the US is trying to 'take over Russia through Ukraine'.\nThey've reached North Korean levels of propaganda. Japan did the same thing in WW2, convincing their citizens that American troops were 'beasts' that would rape and torture them. It was the main factor behind the mass suicides in Okinawa.", ">\n\nI think Russians thinking everyone else is 'jealous' of them shows the true depths of the delusion cast upon them by their state. It's truly astonishing.", ">\n\nWhat's odd about that, is they think the world is jealous of Russia yet they themselves cannot wait to leave Russia to see the rest of the world. Remember the temper tantrums when many European states band Russian travelers?", ">\n\nBradleys left the US today, I wonder how long before we start seeing them on the front.\nEdit: Apologies I seen an article about the Bradley's leaving South Carolina posted today but they actually left last week", ">\n\nThey have been in transit for over a week. Maybe you meant another shipment?", ">\n\nI'm not exactly enraged by it. I'd rather say that I'm a little disappointed but hoping that they will come to their senses and send them at a later point. However, that later point will have to be soon.", ">\n\nDay CCCXLIII, Part I. Thread CDLXXXIV." ]
> Yes. It's fun to do them free-hand from memory.
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.", ">\n\nHalf a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!", ">\n\nEven back then six months ago I didn't expect Russian sycophants to wildly celebrate every time they take something like a single salt mine. Our times keeps getting wilder and wilder.", ">\n\nGrasping at straws.", ">\n\nWhat is Putin's goal in Ukraine by this point anyway?\nFirst it was conquering the country, then it was installing a new government in Ukraine, in parallel to that it was \"denazifying the country\" by eliminating Azov. Then they released the Azovites, a few months after they captured them. Then it was defending their newly acquired oblasts, only to retreat from Kherson and Lyman.\nI feel like the only goal out of those they have stated that they are still pursuing is \"liberating Donbass\".", ">\n\nThere is no \"goal\" anymore. There is only the 'way.\" \nPutin will keep he war going and hope that he can somehow opportunisticly get to an end point that benefits him.", ">\n\nThis is not the way", ">\n\nThe way is not this", ">\n\nNot this is the way", ">\n\nSo, basically 3 are not done properly yet due to Ukraine gov failure, 1 because of EU failure and 3 have good progress. Yeah, definitely will take some time after war ends to finish all 7. Especially when some MPs keep sabotaging that progress.", ">\n\nI cant help but admire the Russian determination to die for Putin. I guess they made it a life goal of theirs to die for a dictator who couldn't give a shit about them. Maybe they love suffering. Maybe they love being able to commit a few warcrimes, act like animals, before they die. Y'know, act psychotic, steal, plunder, destroy, torture, commit a few murders and rapes before embracing your final doom. Bring nothing positive to the world. Just death and suffering. Do they think of their dear dictator living in luxury, right before death strikes them in no man's land?\nThey are being sent by the hundreds per day to die, and die, and die, and be maimed and mutilated. And yet, it doesn't seem they really care. More waves keep coming. What did they think happened to the previous waves?\nTheir culture really is fucked up. Enjoying slavely, enjoying suffering, enjoying subservience to the ''strong man'' dictator, abandonning any hope for a better future for them and their families, while the oligarchs steal and plunder the nation to their own ends, and send them to die for their own blunders and greed. Blaming everyone else for their own problems, and never even attempting to self-reflect or accept even some part of responsibility. Nihilism in its purest form.\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class. I do not deny it. But at least, we are AWARE of those problems, and we still have people who CARE and are CRITICAL of those problems, and still try to improve things. We haven't completely given up and we try to have hope and find solutions, and there are people in our societies who try to keep the powerful accountable, and are not completely cynical. We're far from perfect, but we try, and that's why people often like living in western societies. Because we try to build a decent society, we try to self-reflect, despite all of our shortcomings.\nUkraine did not attack Russia. They just wanted to be left alone, keep their 1991 borders and thrive with partners of their choice. Ukraine did not threaten anyone. They wanted democracy and self-determination. But Putin didn't give a shit. His fucking legacy, greed and delusional vision of history required him to launch one last psychotic war before he would fucking die. Piece of shit. I hope he gets to rot in hell when his time comes.", ">\n\n\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class.\n\nNot saying you meant to imply it but it is very important to not that corruption in western counties is not even remotely as bad as in places like Russia.\nFor instance my buddy in India was saying that if you don't bribe the person at the counter where you get your drivers license you'll get it in 6 months. Slip them the expected amount of money and you'll get it in a few days. Now apply that to every single government employee that you ever want to do something for you. And that includes the police, anyone that works for the government has their hand out all the time. If you don't pay maybe you don't get your license for a few extra months, or maybe you catch a beating from a cop and spend a few days in jail over what should have been a fine. And that doesn't even get into how the rich bribe higher up government officials or how much those same Indian officials steal from public funds.\nCorruption in the west is like we're playing little league and India is up in the pro's. Now keep in mind that Russia is even more corrupt than India. And unfortunately Ukraine is almost as bad as Russia. Zelensky was elected on a platform to clean government up which honestly wasn't going that well before the war, his popularity was slipping. It's obvious he's trying to take advantage of his wartime popularity to make some progress in the issue, I hope that he succeeds.", ">\n\nAgreed. It is imperative for Ukraine to flush out corruption and establish a political elite and population that fights corruption rather than embrace it. Zelensky is certainly not perfect, but Im glad the conflict seems to have sped up his fight agains't corruption. I just hope our impressions are not misplaced. Ukraine must keep striving for lower corruption and more integrity. They are making efforts, I think. We will see in the coming years if the results can be seen and better measured.", ">\n\nEstablishing a political elite causes corruption, it doesn't fight it.", ">\n\nSlava Ukraini. Until victory.", ">\n\nHeroiam Slava!", ">\n\nRussia has been messing in our internal politics for a long time with scary effectiveness. When Ukraine was invaded I am not gonna lie I was scared that I would be fighting in WW3 in a few days or at best fight in it in a few years. But seeing how things have went I no longer have that fear. If anything I am glad the masks are finally off.", ">\n\nBoy is that tweet ever covered in weird pro Russian nut job tweets.\nI see them more often now. Is botting ramping up or just more noticeable as more sane people left Twitter lately? They also always tend to type like right wing Facebook boomers. Lots of 🤣🤣🤣 shit that signals you're dealing with someone with lead poisoning.", ">\n\nMost of them aren't 'real' people. Click on their profiles, look through their media for pictures of themselves or with family. Look through what they Tweet about. It's all about one particular topic, with some dodgy profile picture that could be anyone. These 'people' come across as real, will be verified (i.e. just buying a profile) but don't actually exist. Not bots, but not actual people either.", ">\n\nLike, there's no way the Kadri fanboy account is anything but a bot. No one would be that pathetic.", ">\n\nHow much longer can Russia's crumbling army can last?", ">\n\nI wouldn't underestimate them.", ">\n\nYeh true. It seams they almost want to die in a foreign county by the truckload per day. Living in ruSSia must be more shit it looks.", ">\n\nSoooo…. You think that advertising them here is the way to go?", ">\n\nIn my book, this thread is to discuss everything connected with this war. Pretending that something doesn't exists because we don't like it, doesn't seem to be the best idea.", ">\n\n\nPretending that something doesn't exists because we don't like it, doesn't seem to be the best idea.\n\nHave to get over this mentality - propaganda spreads by exposure, and even highlighting the propaganda as wrong can be used as a vehicle for spread. Key points:\n\nYou can describe it, but do not directly link. Linking provides exposure.\nIf you absolutely must link, link to something that summarizes the flaws in their argument, and one that does not link to source material.\n\nIt's a nice Enlightenment-era ideal that linking source material is always good, that the right idea always wins and that open spread of ideas always makes things better eventually. It's also completely idealistic bullshit, as shown by the digital era and the dynamics of political messaging.", ">\n\nOof. Well, if he had used those legs responsibly, i.e. to propel him back to where he belongs in a timely fashion, perhaps he'd still have them.", ">\n\nWell at least they died to \"enter sandman\"", ">\n\nIt's certainly much less humiliating than to have ones death go down in Internet history set to one of those sad deliberately inept flute renditions of various movie themes.", ">\n\nI forget where I saw it - but a month or so ago there was a post from a Russian citizen claiming that the US was 'nothing but desert with no natural resources with its people starving to death' which is why the US is trying to 'take over Russia through Ukraine'.\nThey've reached North Korean levels of propaganda. Japan did the same thing in WW2, convincing their citizens that American troops were 'beasts' that would rape and torture them. It was the main factor behind the mass suicides in Okinawa.", ">\n\nI think Russians thinking everyone else is 'jealous' of them shows the true depths of the delusion cast upon them by their state. It's truly astonishing.", ">\n\nWhat's odd about that, is they think the world is jealous of Russia yet they themselves cannot wait to leave Russia to see the rest of the world. Remember the temper tantrums when many European states band Russian travelers?", ">\n\nBradleys left the US today, I wonder how long before we start seeing them on the front.\nEdit: Apologies I seen an article about the Bradley's leaving South Carolina posted today but they actually left last week", ">\n\nThey have been in transit for over a week. Maybe you meant another shipment?", ">\n\nI'm not exactly enraged by it. I'd rather say that I'm a little disappointed but hoping that they will come to their senses and send them at a later point. However, that later point will have to be soon.", ">\n\nDay CCCXLIII, Part I. Thread CDLXXXIV.", ">\n\nWell if nothing else, this war is helping me practise roman numerals" ]
> I'm not saying "all is forgiven" with Netanyahu. But if he came in big for Ukraine, that would certainly help rehab him from being a Trump/Kushner stooge.
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.", ">\n\nHalf a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!", ">\n\nEven back then six months ago I didn't expect Russian sycophants to wildly celebrate every time they take something like a single salt mine. Our times keeps getting wilder and wilder.", ">\n\nGrasping at straws.", ">\n\nWhat is Putin's goal in Ukraine by this point anyway?\nFirst it was conquering the country, then it was installing a new government in Ukraine, in parallel to that it was \"denazifying the country\" by eliminating Azov. Then they released the Azovites, a few months after they captured them. Then it was defending their newly acquired oblasts, only to retreat from Kherson and Lyman.\nI feel like the only goal out of those they have stated that they are still pursuing is \"liberating Donbass\".", ">\n\nThere is no \"goal\" anymore. There is only the 'way.\" \nPutin will keep he war going and hope that he can somehow opportunisticly get to an end point that benefits him.", ">\n\nThis is not the way", ">\n\nThe way is not this", ">\n\nNot this is the way", ">\n\nSo, basically 3 are not done properly yet due to Ukraine gov failure, 1 because of EU failure and 3 have good progress. Yeah, definitely will take some time after war ends to finish all 7. Especially when some MPs keep sabotaging that progress.", ">\n\nI cant help but admire the Russian determination to die for Putin. I guess they made it a life goal of theirs to die for a dictator who couldn't give a shit about them. Maybe they love suffering. Maybe they love being able to commit a few warcrimes, act like animals, before they die. Y'know, act psychotic, steal, plunder, destroy, torture, commit a few murders and rapes before embracing your final doom. Bring nothing positive to the world. Just death and suffering. Do they think of their dear dictator living in luxury, right before death strikes them in no man's land?\nThey are being sent by the hundreds per day to die, and die, and die, and be maimed and mutilated. And yet, it doesn't seem they really care. More waves keep coming. What did they think happened to the previous waves?\nTheir culture really is fucked up. Enjoying slavely, enjoying suffering, enjoying subservience to the ''strong man'' dictator, abandonning any hope for a better future for them and their families, while the oligarchs steal and plunder the nation to their own ends, and send them to die for their own blunders and greed. Blaming everyone else for their own problems, and never even attempting to self-reflect or accept even some part of responsibility. Nihilism in its purest form.\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class. I do not deny it. But at least, we are AWARE of those problems, and we still have people who CARE and are CRITICAL of those problems, and still try to improve things. We haven't completely given up and we try to have hope and find solutions, and there are people in our societies who try to keep the powerful accountable, and are not completely cynical. We're far from perfect, but we try, and that's why people often like living in western societies. Because we try to build a decent society, we try to self-reflect, despite all of our shortcomings.\nUkraine did not attack Russia. They just wanted to be left alone, keep their 1991 borders and thrive with partners of their choice. Ukraine did not threaten anyone. They wanted democracy and self-determination. But Putin didn't give a shit. His fucking legacy, greed and delusional vision of history required him to launch one last psychotic war before he would fucking die. Piece of shit. I hope he gets to rot in hell when his time comes.", ">\n\n\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class.\n\nNot saying you meant to imply it but it is very important to not that corruption in western counties is not even remotely as bad as in places like Russia.\nFor instance my buddy in India was saying that if you don't bribe the person at the counter where you get your drivers license you'll get it in 6 months. Slip them the expected amount of money and you'll get it in a few days. Now apply that to every single government employee that you ever want to do something for you. And that includes the police, anyone that works for the government has their hand out all the time. If you don't pay maybe you don't get your license for a few extra months, or maybe you catch a beating from a cop and spend a few days in jail over what should have been a fine. And that doesn't even get into how the rich bribe higher up government officials or how much those same Indian officials steal from public funds.\nCorruption in the west is like we're playing little league and India is up in the pro's. Now keep in mind that Russia is even more corrupt than India. And unfortunately Ukraine is almost as bad as Russia. Zelensky was elected on a platform to clean government up which honestly wasn't going that well before the war, his popularity was slipping. It's obvious he's trying to take advantage of his wartime popularity to make some progress in the issue, I hope that he succeeds.", ">\n\nAgreed. It is imperative for Ukraine to flush out corruption and establish a political elite and population that fights corruption rather than embrace it. Zelensky is certainly not perfect, but Im glad the conflict seems to have sped up his fight agains't corruption. I just hope our impressions are not misplaced. Ukraine must keep striving for lower corruption and more integrity. They are making efforts, I think. We will see in the coming years if the results can be seen and better measured.", ">\n\nEstablishing a political elite causes corruption, it doesn't fight it.", ">\n\nSlava Ukraini. Until victory.", ">\n\nHeroiam Slava!", ">\n\nRussia has been messing in our internal politics for a long time with scary effectiveness. When Ukraine was invaded I am not gonna lie I was scared that I would be fighting in WW3 in a few days or at best fight in it in a few years. But seeing how things have went I no longer have that fear. If anything I am glad the masks are finally off.", ">\n\nBoy is that tweet ever covered in weird pro Russian nut job tweets.\nI see them more often now. Is botting ramping up or just more noticeable as more sane people left Twitter lately? They also always tend to type like right wing Facebook boomers. Lots of 🤣🤣🤣 shit that signals you're dealing with someone with lead poisoning.", ">\n\nMost of them aren't 'real' people. Click on their profiles, look through their media for pictures of themselves or with family. Look through what they Tweet about. It's all about one particular topic, with some dodgy profile picture that could be anyone. These 'people' come across as real, will be verified (i.e. just buying a profile) but don't actually exist. Not bots, but not actual people either.", ">\n\nLike, there's no way the Kadri fanboy account is anything but a bot. No one would be that pathetic.", ">\n\nHow much longer can Russia's crumbling army can last?", ">\n\nI wouldn't underestimate them.", ">\n\nYeh true. It seams they almost want to die in a foreign county by the truckload per day. Living in ruSSia must be more shit it looks.", ">\n\nSoooo…. You think that advertising them here is the way to go?", ">\n\nIn my book, this thread is to discuss everything connected with this war. Pretending that something doesn't exists because we don't like it, doesn't seem to be the best idea.", ">\n\n\nPretending that something doesn't exists because we don't like it, doesn't seem to be the best idea.\n\nHave to get over this mentality - propaganda spreads by exposure, and even highlighting the propaganda as wrong can be used as a vehicle for spread. Key points:\n\nYou can describe it, but do not directly link. Linking provides exposure.\nIf you absolutely must link, link to something that summarizes the flaws in their argument, and one that does not link to source material.\n\nIt's a nice Enlightenment-era ideal that linking source material is always good, that the right idea always wins and that open spread of ideas always makes things better eventually. It's also completely idealistic bullshit, as shown by the digital era and the dynamics of political messaging.", ">\n\nOof. Well, if he had used those legs responsibly, i.e. to propel him back to where he belongs in a timely fashion, perhaps he'd still have them.", ">\n\nWell at least they died to \"enter sandman\"", ">\n\nIt's certainly much less humiliating than to have ones death go down in Internet history set to one of those sad deliberately inept flute renditions of various movie themes.", ">\n\nI forget where I saw it - but a month or so ago there was a post from a Russian citizen claiming that the US was 'nothing but desert with no natural resources with its people starving to death' which is why the US is trying to 'take over Russia through Ukraine'.\nThey've reached North Korean levels of propaganda. Japan did the same thing in WW2, convincing their citizens that American troops were 'beasts' that would rape and torture them. It was the main factor behind the mass suicides in Okinawa.", ">\n\nI think Russians thinking everyone else is 'jealous' of them shows the true depths of the delusion cast upon them by their state. It's truly astonishing.", ">\n\nWhat's odd about that, is they think the world is jealous of Russia yet they themselves cannot wait to leave Russia to see the rest of the world. Remember the temper tantrums when many European states band Russian travelers?", ">\n\nBradleys left the US today, I wonder how long before we start seeing them on the front.\nEdit: Apologies I seen an article about the Bradley's leaving South Carolina posted today but they actually left last week", ">\n\nThey have been in transit for over a week. Maybe you meant another shipment?", ">\n\nI'm not exactly enraged by it. I'd rather say that I'm a little disappointed but hoping that they will come to their senses and send them at a later point. However, that later point will have to be soon.", ">\n\nDay CCCXLIII, Part I. Thread CDLXXXIV.", ">\n\nWell if nothing else, this war is helping me practise roman numerals", ">\n\nYes. It's fun to do them free-hand from memory." ]
> He hasn't done anything w/r/t military aid to Ukraine yet. He literally just answered a reporter's question, and he was as vague as it gets on what he might decide at a future time, both on type of aid and timetable for giving it.
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.", ">\n\nHalf a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!", ">\n\nEven back then six months ago I didn't expect Russian sycophants to wildly celebrate every time they take something like a single salt mine. Our times keeps getting wilder and wilder.", ">\n\nGrasping at straws.", ">\n\nWhat is Putin's goal in Ukraine by this point anyway?\nFirst it was conquering the country, then it was installing a new government in Ukraine, in parallel to that it was \"denazifying the country\" by eliminating Azov. Then they released the Azovites, a few months after they captured them. Then it was defending their newly acquired oblasts, only to retreat from Kherson and Lyman.\nI feel like the only goal out of those they have stated that they are still pursuing is \"liberating Donbass\".", ">\n\nThere is no \"goal\" anymore. There is only the 'way.\" \nPutin will keep he war going and hope that he can somehow opportunisticly get to an end point that benefits him.", ">\n\nThis is not the way", ">\n\nThe way is not this", ">\n\nNot this is the way", ">\n\nSo, basically 3 are not done properly yet due to Ukraine gov failure, 1 because of EU failure and 3 have good progress. Yeah, definitely will take some time after war ends to finish all 7. Especially when some MPs keep sabotaging that progress.", ">\n\nI cant help but admire the Russian determination to die for Putin. I guess they made it a life goal of theirs to die for a dictator who couldn't give a shit about them. Maybe they love suffering. Maybe they love being able to commit a few warcrimes, act like animals, before they die. Y'know, act psychotic, steal, plunder, destroy, torture, commit a few murders and rapes before embracing your final doom. Bring nothing positive to the world. Just death and suffering. Do they think of their dear dictator living in luxury, right before death strikes them in no man's land?\nThey are being sent by the hundreds per day to die, and die, and die, and be maimed and mutilated. And yet, it doesn't seem they really care. More waves keep coming. What did they think happened to the previous waves?\nTheir culture really is fucked up. Enjoying slavely, enjoying suffering, enjoying subservience to the ''strong man'' dictator, abandonning any hope for a better future for them and their families, while the oligarchs steal and plunder the nation to their own ends, and send them to die for their own blunders and greed. Blaming everyone else for their own problems, and never even attempting to self-reflect or accept even some part of responsibility. Nihilism in its purest form.\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class. I do not deny it. But at least, we are AWARE of those problems, and we still have people who CARE and are CRITICAL of those problems, and still try to improve things. We haven't completely given up and we try to have hope and find solutions, and there are people in our societies who try to keep the powerful accountable, and are not completely cynical. We're far from perfect, but we try, and that's why people often like living in western societies. Because we try to build a decent society, we try to self-reflect, despite all of our shortcomings.\nUkraine did not attack Russia. They just wanted to be left alone, keep their 1991 borders and thrive with partners of their choice. Ukraine did not threaten anyone. They wanted democracy and self-determination. But Putin didn't give a shit. His fucking legacy, greed and delusional vision of history required him to launch one last psychotic war before he would fucking die. Piece of shit. I hope he gets to rot in hell when his time comes.", ">\n\n\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class.\n\nNot saying you meant to imply it but it is very important to not that corruption in western counties is not even remotely as bad as in places like Russia.\nFor instance my buddy in India was saying that if you don't bribe the person at the counter where you get your drivers license you'll get it in 6 months. Slip them the expected amount of money and you'll get it in a few days. Now apply that to every single government employee that you ever want to do something for you. And that includes the police, anyone that works for the government has their hand out all the time. If you don't pay maybe you don't get your license for a few extra months, or maybe you catch a beating from a cop and spend a few days in jail over what should have been a fine. And that doesn't even get into how the rich bribe higher up government officials or how much those same Indian officials steal from public funds.\nCorruption in the west is like we're playing little league and India is up in the pro's. Now keep in mind that Russia is even more corrupt than India. And unfortunately Ukraine is almost as bad as Russia. Zelensky was elected on a platform to clean government up which honestly wasn't going that well before the war, his popularity was slipping. It's obvious he's trying to take advantage of his wartime popularity to make some progress in the issue, I hope that he succeeds.", ">\n\nAgreed. It is imperative for Ukraine to flush out corruption and establish a political elite and population that fights corruption rather than embrace it. Zelensky is certainly not perfect, but Im glad the conflict seems to have sped up his fight agains't corruption. I just hope our impressions are not misplaced. Ukraine must keep striving for lower corruption and more integrity. They are making efforts, I think. We will see in the coming years if the results can be seen and better measured.", ">\n\nEstablishing a political elite causes corruption, it doesn't fight it.", ">\n\nSlava Ukraini. Until victory.", ">\n\nHeroiam Slava!", ">\n\nRussia has been messing in our internal politics for a long time with scary effectiveness. When Ukraine was invaded I am not gonna lie I was scared that I would be fighting in WW3 in a few days or at best fight in it in a few years. But seeing how things have went I no longer have that fear. If anything I am glad the masks are finally off.", ">\n\nBoy is that tweet ever covered in weird pro Russian nut job tweets.\nI see them more often now. Is botting ramping up or just more noticeable as more sane people left Twitter lately? They also always tend to type like right wing Facebook boomers. Lots of 🤣🤣🤣 shit that signals you're dealing with someone with lead poisoning.", ">\n\nMost of them aren't 'real' people. Click on their profiles, look through their media for pictures of themselves or with family. Look through what they Tweet about. It's all about one particular topic, with some dodgy profile picture that could be anyone. These 'people' come across as real, will be verified (i.e. just buying a profile) but don't actually exist. Not bots, but not actual people either.", ">\n\nLike, there's no way the Kadri fanboy account is anything but a bot. No one would be that pathetic.", ">\n\nHow much longer can Russia's crumbling army can last?", ">\n\nI wouldn't underestimate them.", ">\n\nYeh true. It seams they almost want to die in a foreign county by the truckload per day. Living in ruSSia must be more shit it looks.", ">\n\nSoooo…. You think that advertising them here is the way to go?", ">\n\nIn my book, this thread is to discuss everything connected with this war. Pretending that something doesn't exists because we don't like it, doesn't seem to be the best idea.", ">\n\n\nPretending that something doesn't exists because we don't like it, doesn't seem to be the best idea.\n\nHave to get over this mentality - propaganda spreads by exposure, and even highlighting the propaganda as wrong can be used as a vehicle for spread. Key points:\n\nYou can describe it, but do not directly link. Linking provides exposure.\nIf you absolutely must link, link to something that summarizes the flaws in their argument, and one that does not link to source material.\n\nIt's a nice Enlightenment-era ideal that linking source material is always good, that the right idea always wins and that open spread of ideas always makes things better eventually. It's also completely idealistic bullshit, as shown by the digital era and the dynamics of political messaging.", ">\n\nOof. Well, if he had used those legs responsibly, i.e. to propel him back to where he belongs in a timely fashion, perhaps he'd still have them.", ">\n\nWell at least they died to \"enter sandman\"", ">\n\nIt's certainly much less humiliating than to have ones death go down in Internet history set to one of those sad deliberately inept flute renditions of various movie themes.", ">\n\nI forget where I saw it - but a month or so ago there was a post from a Russian citizen claiming that the US was 'nothing but desert with no natural resources with its people starving to death' which is why the US is trying to 'take over Russia through Ukraine'.\nThey've reached North Korean levels of propaganda. Japan did the same thing in WW2, convincing their citizens that American troops were 'beasts' that would rape and torture them. It was the main factor behind the mass suicides in Okinawa.", ">\n\nI think Russians thinking everyone else is 'jealous' of them shows the true depths of the delusion cast upon them by their state. It's truly astonishing.", ">\n\nWhat's odd about that, is they think the world is jealous of Russia yet they themselves cannot wait to leave Russia to see the rest of the world. Remember the temper tantrums when many European states band Russian travelers?", ">\n\nBradleys left the US today, I wonder how long before we start seeing them on the front.\nEdit: Apologies I seen an article about the Bradley's leaving South Carolina posted today but they actually left last week", ">\n\nThey have been in transit for over a week. Maybe you meant another shipment?", ">\n\nI'm not exactly enraged by it. I'd rather say that I'm a little disappointed but hoping that they will come to their senses and send them at a later point. However, that later point will have to be soon.", ">\n\nDay CCCXLIII, Part I. Thread CDLXXXIV.", ">\n\nWell if nothing else, this war is helping me practise roman numerals", ">\n\nYes. It's fun to do them free-hand from memory.", ">\n\nI'm not saying \"all is forgiven\" with Netanyahu. But if he came in big for Ukraine, that would certainly help rehab him from being a Trump/Kushner stooge." ]
> Pleased to see Erdogan has folded so fast on Finland and Sweden joining NATO. We went from, 'Not until we get stuff and you round up all your Kurds for us', to 'OK Finland is just in, let me kick up a little public fuss over a Danish, Russian-backed agent provocateur doing a stunt-burning of a Quran in Stockholm, then we're good'.
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.", ">\n\nHalf a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!", ">\n\nEven back then six months ago I didn't expect Russian sycophants to wildly celebrate every time they take something like a single salt mine. Our times keeps getting wilder and wilder.", ">\n\nGrasping at straws.", ">\n\nWhat is Putin's goal in Ukraine by this point anyway?\nFirst it was conquering the country, then it was installing a new government in Ukraine, in parallel to that it was \"denazifying the country\" by eliminating Azov. Then they released the Azovites, a few months after they captured them. Then it was defending their newly acquired oblasts, only to retreat from Kherson and Lyman.\nI feel like the only goal out of those they have stated that they are still pursuing is \"liberating Donbass\".", ">\n\nThere is no \"goal\" anymore. There is only the 'way.\" \nPutin will keep he war going and hope that he can somehow opportunisticly get to an end point that benefits him.", ">\n\nThis is not the way", ">\n\nThe way is not this", ">\n\nNot this is the way", ">\n\nSo, basically 3 are not done properly yet due to Ukraine gov failure, 1 because of EU failure and 3 have good progress. Yeah, definitely will take some time after war ends to finish all 7. Especially when some MPs keep sabotaging that progress.", ">\n\nI cant help but admire the Russian determination to die for Putin. I guess they made it a life goal of theirs to die for a dictator who couldn't give a shit about them. Maybe they love suffering. Maybe they love being able to commit a few warcrimes, act like animals, before they die. Y'know, act psychotic, steal, plunder, destroy, torture, commit a few murders and rapes before embracing your final doom. Bring nothing positive to the world. Just death and suffering. Do they think of their dear dictator living in luxury, right before death strikes them in no man's land?\nThey are being sent by the hundreds per day to die, and die, and die, and be maimed and mutilated. And yet, it doesn't seem they really care. More waves keep coming. What did they think happened to the previous waves?\nTheir culture really is fucked up. Enjoying slavely, enjoying suffering, enjoying subservience to the ''strong man'' dictator, abandonning any hope for a better future for them and their families, while the oligarchs steal and plunder the nation to their own ends, and send them to die for their own blunders and greed. Blaming everyone else for their own problems, and never even attempting to self-reflect or accept even some part of responsibility. Nihilism in its purest form.\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class. I do not deny it. But at least, we are AWARE of those problems, and we still have people who CARE and are CRITICAL of those problems, and still try to improve things. We haven't completely given up and we try to have hope and find solutions, and there are people in our societies who try to keep the powerful accountable, and are not completely cynical. We're far from perfect, but we try, and that's why people often like living in western societies. Because we try to build a decent society, we try to self-reflect, despite all of our shortcomings.\nUkraine did not attack Russia. They just wanted to be left alone, keep their 1991 borders and thrive with partners of their choice. Ukraine did not threaten anyone. They wanted democracy and self-determination. But Putin didn't give a shit. His fucking legacy, greed and delusional vision of history required him to launch one last psychotic war before he would fucking die. Piece of shit. I hope he gets to rot in hell when his time comes.", ">\n\n\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class.\n\nNot saying you meant to imply it but it is very important to not that corruption in western counties is not even remotely as bad as in places like Russia.\nFor instance my buddy in India was saying that if you don't bribe the person at the counter where you get your drivers license you'll get it in 6 months. Slip them the expected amount of money and you'll get it in a few days. Now apply that to every single government employee that you ever want to do something for you. And that includes the police, anyone that works for the government has their hand out all the time. If you don't pay maybe you don't get your license for a few extra months, or maybe you catch a beating from a cop and spend a few days in jail over what should have been a fine. And that doesn't even get into how the rich bribe higher up government officials or how much those same Indian officials steal from public funds.\nCorruption in the west is like we're playing little league and India is up in the pro's. Now keep in mind that Russia is even more corrupt than India. And unfortunately Ukraine is almost as bad as Russia. Zelensky was elected on a platform to clean government up which honestly wasn't going that well before the war, his popularity was slipping. It's obvious he's trying to take advantage of his wartime popularity to make some progress in the issue, I hope that he succeeds.", ">\n\nAgreed. It is imperative for Ukraine to flush out corruption and establish a political elite and population that fights corruption rather than embrace it. Zelensky is certainly not perfect, but Im glad the conflict seems to have sped up his fight agains't corruption. I just hope our impressions are not misplaced. Ukraine must keep striving for lower corruption and more integrity. They are making efforts, I think. We will see in the coming years if the results can be seen and better measured.", ">\n\nEstablishing a political elite causes corruption, it doesn't fight it.", ">\n\nSlava Ukraini. Until victory.", ">\n\nHeroiam Slava!", ">\n\nRussia has been messing in our internal politics for a long time with scary effectiveness. When Ukraine was invaded I am not gonna lie I was scared that I would be fighting in WW3 in a few days or at best fight in it in a few years. But seeing how things have went I no longer have that fear. If anything I am glad the masks are finally off.", ">\n\nBoy is that tweet ever covered in weird pro Russian nut job tweets.\nI see them more often now. Is botting ramping up or just more noticeable as more sane people left Twitter lately? They also always tend to type like right wing Facebook boomers. Lots of 🤣🤣🤣 shit that signals you're dealing with someone with lead poisoning.", ">\n\nMost of them aren't 'real' people. Click on their profiles, look through their media for pictures of themselves or with family. Look through what they Tweet about. It's all about one particular topic, with some dodgy profile picture that could be anyone. These 'people' come across as real, will be verified (i.e. just buying a profile) but don't actually exist. Not bots, but not actual people either.", ">\n\nLike, there's no way the Kadri fanboy account is anything but a bot. No one would be that pathetic.", ">\n\nHow much longer can Russia's crumbling army can last?", ">\n\nI wouldn't underestimate them.", ">\n\nYeh true. It seams they almost want to die in a foreign county by the truckload per day. Living in ruSSia must be more shit it looks.", ">\n\nSoooo…. You think that advertising them here is the way to go?", ">\n\nIn my book, this thread is to discuss everything connected with this war. Pretending that something doesn't exists because we don't like it, doesn't seem to be the best idea.", ">\n\n\nPretending that something doesn't exists because we don't like it, doesn't seem to be the best idea.\n\nHave to get over this mentality - propaganda spreads by exposure, and even highlighting the propaganda as wrong can be used as a vehicle for spread. Key points:\n\nYou can describe it, but do not directly link. Linking provides exposure.\nIf you absolutely must link, link to something that summarizes the flaws in their argument, and one that does not link to source material.\n\nIt's a nice Enlightenment-era ideal that linking source material is always good, that the right idea always wins and that open spread of ideas always makes things better eventually. It's also completely idealistic bullshit, as shown by the digital era and the dynamics of political messaging.", ">\n\nOof. Well, if he had used those legs responsibly, i.e. to propel him back to where he belongs in a timely fashion, perhaps he'd still have them.", ">\n\nWell at least they died to \"enter sandman\"", ">\n\nIt's certainly much less humiliating than to have ones death go down in Internet history set to one of those sad deliberately inept flute renditions of various movie themes.", ">\n\nI forget where I saw it - but a month or so ago there was a post from a Russian citizen claiming that the US was 'nothing but desert with no natural resources with its people starving to death' which is why the US is trying to 'take over Russia through Ukraine'.\nThey've reached North Korean levels of propaganda. Japan did the same thing in WW2, convincing their citizens that American troops were 'beasts' that would rape and torture them. It was the main factor behind the mass suicides in Okinawa.", ">\n\nI think Russians thinking everyone else is 'jealous' of them shows the true depths of the delusion cast upon them by their state. It's truly astonishing.", ">\n\nWhat's odd about that, is they think the world is jealous of Russia yet they themselves cannot wait to leave Russia to see the rest of the world. Remember the temper tantrums when many European states band Russian travelers?", ">\n\nBradleys left the US today, I wonder how long before we start seeing them on the front.\nEdit: Apologies I seen an article about the Bradley's leaving South Carolina posted today but they actually left last week", ">\n\nThey have been in transit for over a week. Maybe you meant another shipment?", ">\n\nI'm not exactly enraged by it. I'd rather say that I'm a little disappointed but hoping that they will come to their senses and send them at a later point. However, that later point will have to be soon.", ">\n\nDay CCCXLIII, Part I. Thread CDLXXXIV.", ">\n\nWell if nothing else, this war is helping me practise roman numerals", ">\n\nYes. It's fun to do them free-hand from memory.", ">\n\nI'm not saying \"all is forgiven\" with Netanyahu. But if he came in big for Ukraine, that would certainly help rehab him from being a Trump/Kushner stooge.", ">\n\nHe hasn't done anything w/r/t military aid to Ukraine yet. He literally just answered a reporter's question, and he was as vague as it gets on what he might decide at a future time, both on type of aid and timetable for giving it." ]
> Has he folded for both of them now? If so thats good news
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.", ">\n\nHalf a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!", ">\n\nEven back then six months ago I didn't expect Russian sycophants to wildly celebrate every time they take something like a single salt mine. Our times keeps getting wilder and wilder.", ">\n\nGrasping at straws.", ">\n\nWhat is Putin's goal in Ukraine by this point anyway?\nFirst it was conquering the country, then it was installing a new government in Ukraine, in parallel to that it was \"denazifying the country\" by eliminating Azov. Then they released the Azovites, a few months after they captured them. Then it was defending their newly acquired oblasts, only to retreat from Kherson and Lyman.\nI feel like the only goal out of those they have stated that they are still pursuing is \"liberating Donbass\".", ">\n\nThere is no \"goal\" anymore. There is only the 'way.\" \nPutin will keep he war going and hope that he can somehow opportunisticly get to an end point that benefits him.", ">\n\nThis is not the way", ">\n\nThe way is not this", ">\n\nNot this is the way", ">\n\nSo, basically 3 are not done properly yet due to Ukraine gov failure, 1 because of EU failure and 3 have good progress. Yeah, definitely will take some time after war ends to finish all 7. Especially when some MPs keep sabotaging that progress.", ">\n\nI cant help but admire the Russian determination to die for Putin. I guess they made it a life goal of theirs to die for a dictator who couldn't give a shit about them. Maybe they love suffering. Maybe they love being able to commit a few warcrimes, act like animals, before they die. Y'know, act psychotic, steal, plunder, destroy, torture, commit a few murders and rapes before embracing your final doom. Bring nothing positive to the world. Just death and suffering. Do they think of their dear dictator living in luxury, right before death strikes them in no man's land?\nThey are being sent by the hundreds per day to die, and die, and die, and be maimed and mutilated. And yet, it doesn't seem they really care. More waves keep coming. What did they think happened to the previous waves?\nTheir culture really is fucked up. Enjoying slavely, enjoying suffering, enjoying subservience to the ''strong man'' dictator, abandonning any hope for a better future for them and their families, while the oligarchs steal and plunder the nation to their own ends, and send them to die for their own blunders and greed. Blaming everyone else for their own problems, and never even attempting to self-reflect or accept even some part of responsibility. Nihilism in its purest form.\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class. I do not deny it. But at least, we are AWARE of those problems, and we still have people who CARE and are CRITICAL of those problems, and still try to improve things. We haven't completely given up and we try to have hope and find solutions, and there are people in our societies who try to keep the powerful accountable, and are not completely cynical. We're far from perfect, but we try, and that's why people often like living in western societies. Because we try to build a decent society, we try to self-reflect, despite all of our shortcomings.\nUkraine did not attack Russia. They just wanted to be left alone, keep their 1991 borders and thrive with partners of their choice. Ukraine did not threaten anyone. They wanted democracy and self-determination. But Putin didn't give a shit. His fucking legacy, greed and delusional vision of history required him to launch one last psychotic war before he would fucking die. Piece of shit. I hope he gets to rot in hell when his time comes.", ">\n\n\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class.\n\nNot saying you meant to imply it but it is very important to not that corruption in western counties is not even remotely as bad as in places like Russia.\nFor instance my buddy in India was saying that if you don't bribe the person at the counter where you get your drivers license you'll get it in 6 months. Slip them the expected amount of money and you'll get it in a few days. Now apply that to every single government employee that you ever want to do something for you. And that includes the police, anyone that works for the government has their hand out all the time. If you don't pay maybe you don't get your license for a few extra months, or maybe you catch a beating from a cop and spend a few days in jail over what should have been a fine. And that doesn't even get into how the rich bribe higher up government officials or how much those same Indian officials steal from public funds.\nCorruption in the west is like we're playing little league and India is up in the pro's. Now keep in mind that Russia is even more corrupt than India. And unfortunately Ukraine is almost as bad as Russia. Zelensky was elected on a platform to clean government up which honestly wasn't going that well before the war, his popularity was slipping. It's obvious he's trying to take advantage of his wartime popularity to make some progress in the issue, I hope that he succeeds.", ">\n\nAgreed. It is imperative for Ukraine to flush out corruption and establish a political elite and population that fights corruption rather than embrace it. Zelensky is certainly not perfect, but Im glad the conflict seems to have sped up his fight agains't corruption. I just hope our impressions are not misplaced. Ukraine must keep striving for lower corruption and more integrity. They are making efforts, I think. We will see in the coming years if the results can be seen and better measured.", ">\n\nEstablishing a political elite causes corruption, it doesn't fight it.", ">\n\nSlava Ukraini. Until victory.", ">\n\nHeroiam Slava!", ">\n\nRussia has been messing in our internal politics for a long time with scary effectiveness. When Ukraine was invaded I am not gonna lie I was scared that I would be fighting in WW3 in a few days or at best fight in it in a few years. But seeing how things have went I no longer have that fear. If anything I am glad the masks are finally off.", ">\n\nBoy is that tweet ever covered in weird pro Russian nut job tweets.\nI see them more often now. Is botting ramping up or just more noticeable as more sane people left Twitter lately? They also always tend to type like right wing Facebook boomers. Lots of 🤣🤣🤣 shit that signals you're dealing with someone with lead poisoning.", ">\n\nMost of them aren't 'real' people. Click on their profiles, look through their media for pictures of themselves or with family. Look through what they Tweet about. It's all about one particular topic, with some dodgy profile picture that could be anyone. These 'people' come across as real, will be verified (i.e. just buying a profile) but don't actually exist. Not bots, but not actual people either.", ">\n\nLike, there's no way the Kadri fanboy account is anything but a bot. No one would be that pathetic.", ">\n\nHow much longer can Russia's crumbling army can last?", ">\n\nI wouldn't underestimate them.", ">\n\nYeh true. It seams they almost want to die in a foreign county by the truckload per day. Living in ruSSia must be more shit it looks.", ">\n\nSoooo…. You think that advertising them here is the way to go?", ">\n\nIn my book, this thread is to discuss everything connected with this war. Pretending that something doesn't exists because we don't like it, doesn't seem to be the best idea.", ">\n\n\nPretending that something doesn't exists because we don't like it, doesn't seem to be the best idea.\n\nHave to get over this mentality - propaganda spreads by exposure, and even highlighting the propaganda as wrong can be used as a vehicle for spread. Key points:\n\nYou can describe it, but do not directly link. Linking provides exposure.\nIf you absolutely must link, link to something that summarizes the flaws in their argument, and one that does not link to source material.\n\nIt's a nice Enlightenment-era ideal that linking source material is always good, that the right idea always wins and that open spread of ideas always makes things better eventually. It's also completely idealistic bullshit, as shown by the digital era and the dynamics of political messaging.", ">\n\nOof. Well, if he had used those legs responsibly, i.e. to propel him back to where he belongs in a timely fashion, perhaps he'd still have them.", ">\n\nWell at least they died to \"enter sandman\"", ">\n\nIt's certainly much less humiliating than to have ones death go down in Internet history set to one of those sad deliberately inept flute renditions of various movie themes.", ">\n\nI forget where I saw it - but a month or so ago there was a post from a Russian citizen claiming that the US was 'nothing but desert with no natural resources with its people starving to death' which is why the US is trying to 'take over Russia through Ukraine'.\nThey've reached North Korean levels of propaganda. Japan did the same thing in WW2, convincing their citizens that American troops were 'beasts' that would rape and torture them. It was the main factor behind the mass suicides in Okinawa.", ">\n\nI think Russians thinking everyone else is 'jealous' of them shows the true depths of the delusion cast upon them by their state. It's truly astonishing.", ">\n\nWhat's odd about that, is they think the world is jealous of Russia yet they themselves cannot wait to leave Russia to see the rest of the world. Remember the temper tantrums when many European states band Russian travelers?", ">\n\nBradleys left the US today, I wonder how long before we start seeing them on the front.\nEdit: Apologies I seen an article about the Bradley's leaving South Carolina posted today but they actually left last week", ">\n\nThey have been in transit for over a week. Maybe you meant another shipment?", ">\n\nI'm not exactly enraged by it. I'd rather say that I'm a little disappointed but hoping that they will come to their senses and send them at a later point. However, that later point will have to be soon.", ">\n\nDay CCCXLIII, Part I. Thread CDLXXXIV.", ">\n\nWell if nothing else, this war is helping me practise roman numerals", ">\n\nYes. It's fun to do them free-hand from memory.", ">\n\nI'm not saying \"all is forgiven\" with Netanyahu. But if he came in big for Ukraine, that would certainly help rehab him from being a Trump/Kushner stooge.", ">\n\nHe hasn't done anything w/r/t military aid to Ukraine yet. He literally just answered a reporter's question, and he was as vague as it gets on what he might decide at a future time, both on type of aid and timetable for giving it.", ">\n\nPleased to see Erdogan has folded so fast on Finland and Sweden joining NATO.\nWe went from, 'Not until we get stuff and you round up all your Kurds for us', to 'OK Finland is just in, let me kick up a little public fuss over a Danish, Russian-backed agent provocateur doing a stunt-burning of a Quran in Stockholm, then we're good'." ]
> Fuck Putin with a rusty halberd.
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.", ">\n\nHalf a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!", ">\n\nEven back then six months ago I didn't expect Russian sycophants to wildly celebrate every time they take something like a single salt mine. Our times keeps getting wilder and wilder.", ">\n\nGrasping at straws.", ">\n\nWhat is Putin's goal in Ukraine by this point anyway?\nFirst it was conquering the country, then it was installing a new government in Ukraine, in parallel to that it was \"denazifying the country\" by eliminating Azov. Then they released the Azovites, a few months after they captured them. Then it was defending their newly acquired oblasts, only to retreat from Kherson and Lyman.\nI feel like the only goal out of those they have stated that they are still pursuing is \"liberating Donbass\".", ">\n\nThere is no \"goal\" anymore. There is only the 'way.\" \nPutin will keep he war going and hope that he can somehow opportunisticly get to an end point that benefits him.", ">\n\nThis is not the way", ">\n\nThe way is not this", ">\n\nNot this is the way", ">\n\nSo, basically 3 are not done properly yet due to Ukraine gov failure, 1 because of EU failure and 3 have good progress. Yeah, definitely will take some time after war ends to finish all 7. Especially when some MPs keep sabotaging that progress.", ">\n\nI cant help but admire the Russian determination to die for Putin. I guess they made it a life goal of theirs to die for a dictator who couldn't give a shit about them. Maybe they love suffering. Maybe they love being able to commit a few warcrimes, act like animals, before they die. Y'know, act psychotic, steal, plunder, destroy, torture, commit a few murders and rapes before embracing your final doom. Bring nothing positive to the world. Just death and suffering. Do they think of their dear dictator living in luxury, right before death strikes them in no man's land?\nThey are being sent by the hundreds per day to die, and die, and die, and be maimed and mutilated. And yet, it doesn't seem they really care. More waves keep coming. What did they think happened to the previous waves?\nTheir culture really is fucked up. Enjoying slavely, enjoying suffering, enjoying subservience to the ''strong man'' dictator, abandonning any hope for a better future for them and their families, while the oligarchs steal and plunder the nation to their own ends, and send them to die for their own blunders and greed. Blaming everyone else for their own problems, and never even attempting to self-reflect or accept even some part of responsibility. Nihilism in its purest form.\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class. I do not deny it. But at least, we are AWARE of those problems, and we still have people who CARE and are CRITICAL of those problems, and still try to improve things. We haven't completely given up and we try to have hope and find solutions, and there are people in our societies who try to keep the powerful accountable, and are not completely cynical. We're far from perfect, but we try, and that's why people often like living in western societies. Because we try to build a decent society, we try to self-reflect, despite all of our shortcomings.\nUkraine did not attack Russia. They just wanted to be left alone, keep their 1991 borders and thrive with partners of their choice. Ukraine did not threaten anyone. They wanted democracy and self-determination. But Putin didn't give a shit. His fucking legacy, greed and delusional vision of history required him to launch one last psychotic war before he would fucking die. Piece of shit. I hope he gets to rot in hell when his time comes.", ">\n\n\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class.\n\nNot saying you meant to imply it but it is very important to not that corruption in western counties is not even remotely as bad as in places like Russia.\nFor instance my buddy in India was saying that if you don't bribe the person at the counter where you get your drivers license you'll get it in 6 months. Slip them the expected amount of money and you'll get it in a few days. Now apply that to every single government employee that you ever want to do something for you. And that includes the police, anyone that works for the government has their hand out all the time. If you don't pay maybe you don't get your license for a few extra months, or maybe you catch a beating from a cop and spend a few days in jail over what should have been a fine. And that doesn't even get into how the rich bribe higher up government officials or how much those same Indian officials steal from public funds.\nCorruption in the west is like we're playing little league and India is up in the pro's. Now keep in mind that Russia is even more corrupt than India. And unfortunately Ukraine is almost as bad as Russia. Zelensky was elected on a platform to clean government up which honestly wasn't going that well before the war, his popularity was slipping. It's obvious he's trying to take advantage of his wartime popularity to make some progress in the issue, I hope that he succeeds.", ">\n\nAgreed. It is imperative for Ukraine to flush out corruption and establish a political elite and population that fights corruption rather than embrace it. Zelensky is certainly not perfect, but Im glad the conflict seems to have sped up his fight agains't corruption. I just hope our impressions are not misplaced. Ukraine must keep striving for lower corruption and more integrity. They are making efforts, I think. We will see in the coming years if the results can be seen and better measured.", ">\n\nEstablishing a political elite causes corruption, it doesn't fight it.", ">\n\nSlava Ukraini. Until victory.", ">\n\nHeroiam Slava!", ">\n\nRussia has been messing in our internal politics for a long time with scary effectiveness. When Ukraine was invaded I am not gonna lie I was scared that I would be fighting in WW3 in a few days or at best fight in it in a few years. But seeing how things have went I no longer have that fear. If anything I am glad the masks are finally off.", ">\n\nBoy is that tweet ever covered in weird pro Russian nut job tweets.\nI see them more often now. Is botting ramping up or just more noticeable as more sane people left Twitter lately? They also always tend to type like right wing Facebook boomers. Lots of 🤣🤣🤣 shit that signals you're dealing with someone with lead poisoning.", ">\n\nMost of them aren't 'real' people. Click on their profiles, look through their media for pictures of themselves or with family. Look through what they Tweet about. It's all about one particular topic, with some dodgy profile picture that could be anyone. These 'people' come across as real, will be verified (i.e. just buying a profile) but don't actually exist. Not bots, but not actual people either.", ">\n\nLike, there's no way the Kadri fanboy account is anything but a bot. No one would be that pathetic.", ">\n\nHow much longer can Russia's crumbling army can last?", ">\n\nI wouldn't underestimate them.", ">\n\nYeh true. It seams they almost want to die in a foreign county by the truckload per day. Living in ruSSia must be more shit it looks.", ">\n\nSoooo…. You think that advertising them here is the way to go?", ">\n\nIn my book, this thread is to discuss everything connected with this war. Pretending that something doesn't exists because we don't like it, doesn't seem to be the best idea.", ">\n\n\nPretending that something doesn't exists because we don't like it, doesn't seem to be the best idea.\n\nHave to get over this mentality - propaganda spreads by exposure, and even highlighting the propaganda as wrong can be used as a vehicle for spread. Key points:\n\nYou can describe it, but do not directly link. Linking provides exposure.\nIf you absolutely must link, link to something that summarizes the flaws in their argument, and one that does not link to source material.\n\nIt's a nice Enlightenment-era ideal that linking source material is always good, that the right idea always wins and that open spread of ideas always makes things better eventually. It's also completely idealistic bullshit, as shown by the digital era and the dynamics of political messaging.", ">\n\nOof. Well, if he had used those legs responsibly, i.e. to propel him back to where he belongs in a timely fashion, perhaps he'd still have them.", ">\n\nWell at least they died to \"enter sandman\"", ">\n\nIt's certainly much less humiliating than to have ones death go down in Internet history set to one of those sad deliberately inept flute renditions of various movie themes.", ">\n\nI forget where I saw it - but a month or so ago there was a post from a Russian citizen claiming that the US was 'nothing but desert with no natural resources with its people starving to death' which is why the US is trying to 'take over Russia through Ukraine'.\nThey've reached North Korean levels of propaganda. Japan did the same thing in WW2, convincing their citizens that American troops were 'beasts' that would rape and torture them. It was the main factor behind the mass suicides in Okinawa.", ">\n\nI think Russians thinking everyone else is 'jealous' of them shows the true depths of the delusion cast upon them by their state. It's truly astonishing.", ">\n\nWhat's odd about that, is they think the world is jealous of Russia yet they themselves cannot wait to leave Russia to see the rest of the world. Remember the temper tantrums when many European states band Russian travelers?", ">\n\nBradleys left the US today, I wonder how long before we start seeing them on the front.\nEdit: Apologies I seen an article about the Bradley's leaving South Carolina posted today but they actually left last week", ">\n\nThey have been in transit for over a week. Maybe you meant another shipment?", ">\n\nI'm not exactly enraged by it. I'd rather say that I'm a little disappointed but hoping that they will come to their senses and send them at a later point. However, that later point will have to be soon.", ">\n\nDay CCCXLIII, Part I. Thread CDLXXXIV.", ">\n\nWell if nothing else, this war is helping me practise roman numerals", ">\n\nYes. It's fun to do them free-hand from memory.", ">\n\nI'm not saying \"all is forgiven\" with Netanyahu. But if he came in big for Ukraine, that would certainly help rehab him from being a Trump/Kushner stooge.", ">\n\nHe hasn't done anything w/r/t military aid to Ukraine yet. He literally just answered a reporter's question, and he was as vague as it gets on what he might decide at a future time, both on type of aid and timetable for giving it.", ">\n\nPleased to see Erdogan has folded so fast on Finland and Sweden joining NATO.\nWe went from, 'Not until we get stuff and you round up all your Kurds for us', to 'OK Finland is just in, let me kick up a little public fuss over a Danish, Russian-backed agent provocateur doing a stunt-burning of a Quran in Stockholm, then we're good'.", ">\n\nHas he folded for both of them now? \nIf so thats good news" ]
> "struggling" UA sent the russians back to square one
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.", ">\n\nHalf a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!", ">\n\nEven back then six months ago I didn't expect Russian sycophants to wildly celebrate every time they take something like a single salt mine. Our times keeps getting wilder and wilder.", ">\n\nGrasping at straws.", ">\n\nWhat is Putin's goal in Ukraine by this point anyway?\nFirst it was conquering the country, then it was installing a new government in Ukraine, in parallel to that it was \"denazifying the country\" by eliminating Azov. Then they released the Azovites, a few months after they captured them. Then it was defending their newly acquired oblasts, only to retreat from Kherson and Lyman.\nI feel like the only goal out of those they have stated that they are still pursuing is \"liberating Donbass\".", ">\n\nThere is no \"goal\" anymore. There is only the 'way.\" \nPutin will keep he war going and hope that he can somehow opportunisticly get to an end point that benefits him.", ">\n\nThis is not the way", ">\n\nThe way is not this", ">\n\nNot this is the way", ">\n\nSo, basically 3 are not done properly yet due to Ukraine gov failure, 1 because of EU failure and 3 have good progress. Yeah, definitely will take some time after war ends to finish all 7. Especially when some MPs keep sabotaging that progress.", ">\n\nI cant help but admire the Russian determination to die for Putin. I guess they made it a life goal of theirs to die for a dictator who couldn't give a shit about them. Maybe they love suffering. Maybe they love being able to commit a few warcrimes, act like animals, before they die. Y'know, act psychotic, steal, plunder, destroy, torture, commit a few murders and rapes before embracing your final doom. Bring nothing positive to the world. Just death and suffering. Do they think of their dear dictator living in luxury, right before death strikes them in no man's land?\nThey are being sent by the hundreds per day to die, and die, and die, and be maimed and mutilated. And yet, it doesn't seem they really care. More waves keep coming. What did they think happened to the previous waves?\nTheir culture really is fucked up. Enjoying slavely, enjoying suffering, enjoying subservience to the ''strong man'' dictator, abandonning any hope for a better future for them and their families, while the oligarchs steal and plunder the nation to their own ends, and send them to die for their own blunders and greed. Blaming everyone else for their own problems, and never even attempting to self-reflect or accept even some part of responsibility. Nihilism in its purest form.\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class. I do not deny it. But at least, we are AWARE of those problems, and we still have people who CARE and are CRITICAL of those problems, and still try to improve things. We haven't completely given up and we try to have hope and find solutions, and there are people in our societies who try to keep the powerful accountable, and are not completely cynical. We're far from perfect, but we try, and that's why people often like living in western societies. Because we try to build a decent society, we try to self-reflect, despite all of our shortcomings.\nUkraine did not attack Russia. They just wanted to be left alone, keep their 1991 borders and thrive with partners of their choice. Ukraine did not threaten anyone. They wanted democracy and self-determination. But Putin didn't give a shit. His fucking legacy, greed and delusional vision of history required him to launch one last psychotic war before he would fucking die. Piece of shit. I hope he gets to rot in hell when his time comes.", ">\n\n\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class.\n\nNot saying you meant to imply it but it is very important to not that corruption in western counties is not even remotely as bad as in places like Russia.\nFor instance my buddy in India was saying that if you don't bribe the person at the counter where you get your drivers license you'll get it in 6 months. Slip them the expected amount of money and you'll get it in a few days. Now apply that to every single government employee that you ever want to do something for you. And that includes the police, anyone that works for the government has their hand out all the time. If you don't pay maybe you don't get your license for a few extra months, or maybe you catch a beating from a cop and spend a few days in jail over what should have been a fine. And that doesn't even get into how the rich bribe higher up government officials or how much those same Indian officials steal from public funds.\nCorruption in the west is like we're playing little league and India is up in the pro's. Now keep in mind that Russia is even more corrupt than India. And unfortunately Ukraine is almost as bad as Russia. Zelensky was elected on a platform to clean government up which honestly wasn't going that well before the war, his popularity was slipping. It's obvious he's trying to take advantage of his wartime popularity to make some progress in the issue, I hope that he succeeds.", ">\n\nAgreed. It is imperative for Ukraine to flush out corruption and establish a political elite and population that fights corruption rather than embrace it. Zelensky is certainly not perfect, but Im glad the conflict seems to have sped up his fight agains't corruption. I just hope our impressions are not misplaced. Ukraine must keep striving for lower corruption and more integrity. They are making efforts, I think. We will see in the coming years if the results can be seen and better measured.", ">\n\nEstablishing a political elite causes corruption, it doesn't fight it.", ">\n\nSlava Ukraini. Until victory.", ">\n\nHeroiam Slava!", ">\n\nRussia has been messing in our internal politics for a long time with scary effectiveness. When Ukraine was invaded I am not gonna lie I was scared that I would be fighting in WW3 in a few days or at best fight in it in a few years. But seeing how things have went I no longer have that fear. If anything I am glad the masks are finally off.", ">\n\nBoy is that tweet ever covered in weird pro Russian nut job tweets.\nI see them more often now. Is botting ramping up or just more noticeable as more sane people left Twitter lately? They also always tend to type like right wing Facebook boomers. Lots of 🤣🤣🤣 shit that signals you're dealing with someone with lead poisoning.", ">\n\nMost of them aren't 'real' people. Click on their profiles, look through their media for pictures of themselves or with family. Look through what they Tweet about. It's all about one particular topic, with some dodgy profile picture that could be anyone. These 'people' come across as real, will be verified (i.e. just buying a profile) but don't actually exist. Not bots, but not actual people either.", ">\n\nLike, there's no way the Kadri fanboy account is anything but a bot. No one would be that pathetic.", ">\n\nHow much longer can Russia's crumbling army can last?", ">\n\nI wouldn't underestimate them.", ">\n\nYeh true. It seams they almost want to die in a foreign county by the truckload per day. Living in ruSSia must be more shit it looks.", ">\n\nSoooo…. You think that advertising them here is the way to go?", ">\n\nIn my book, this thread is to discuss everything connected with this war. Pretending that something doesn't exists because we don't like it, doesn't seem to be the best idea.", ">\n\n\nPretending that something doesn't exists because we don't like it, doesn't seem to be the best idea.\n\nHave to get over this mentality - propaganda spreads by exposure, and even highlighting the propaganda as wrong can be used as a vehicle for spread. Key points:\n\nYou can describe it, but do not directly link. Linking provides exposure.\nIf you absolutely must link, link to something that summarizes the flaws in their argument, and one that does not link to source material.\n\nIt's a nice Enlightenment-era ideal that linking source material is always good, that the right idea always wins and that open spread of ideas always makes things better eventually. It's also completely idealistic bullshit, as shown by the digital era and the dynamics of political messaging.", ">\n\nOof. Well, if he had used those legs responsibly, i.e. to propel him back to where he belongs in a timely fashion, perhaps he'd still have them.", ">\n\nWell at least they died to \"enter sandman\"", ">\n\nIt's certainly much less humiliating than to have ones death go down in Internet history set to one of those sad deliberately inept flute renditions of various movie themes.", ">\n\nI forget where I saw it - but a month or so ago there was a post from a Russian citizen claiming that the US was 'nothing but desert with no natural resources with its people starving to death' which is why the US is trying to 'take over Russia through Ukraine'.\nThey've reached North Korean levels of propaganda. Japan did the same thing in WW2, convincing their citizens that American troops were 'beasts' that would rape and torture them. It was the main factor behind the mass suicides in Okinawa.", ">\n\nI think Russians thinking everyone else is 'jealous' of them shows the true depths of the delusion cast upon them by their state. It's truly astonishing.", ">\n\nWhat's odd about that, is they think the world is jealous of Russia yet they themselves cannot wait to leave Russia to see the rest of the world. Remember the temper tantrums when many European states band Russian travelers?", ">\n\nBradleys left the US today, I wonder how long before we start seeing them on the front.\nEdit: Apologies I seen an article about the Bradley's leaving South Carolina posted today but they actually left last week", ">\n\nThey have been in transit for over a week. Maybe you meant another shipment?", ">\n\nI'm not exactly enraged by it. I'd rather say that I'm a little disappointed but hoping that they will come to their senses and send them at a later point. However, that later point will have to be soon.", ">\n\nDay CCCXLIII, Part I. Thread CDLXXXIV.", ">\n\nWell if nothing else, this war is helping me practise roman numerals", ">\n\nYes. It's fun to do them free-hand from memory.", ">\n\nI'm not saying \"all is forgiven\" with Netanyahu. But if he came in big for Ukraine, that would certainly help rehab him from being a Trump/Kushner stooge.", ">\n\nHe hasn't done anything w/r/t military aid to Ukraine yet. He literally just answered a reporter's question, and he was as vague as it gets on what he might decide at a future time, both on type of aid and timetable for giving it.", ">\n\nPleased to see Erdogan has folded so fast on Finland and Sweden joining NATO.\nWe went from, 'Not until we get stuff and you round up all your Kurds for us', to 'OK Finland is just in, let me kick up a little public fuss over a Danish, Russian-backed agent provocateur doing a stunt-burning of a Quran in Stockholm, then we're good'.", ">\n\nHas he folded for both of them now? \nIf so thats good news", ">\n\nFuck Putin with a rusty halberd." ]
> The Western allies need to give UA state of the art fighter jets.
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.", ">\n\nHalf a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!", ">\n\nEven back then six months ago I didn't expect Russian sycophants to wildly celebrate every time they take something like a single salt mine. Our times keeps getting wilder and wilder.", ">\n\nGrasping at straws.", ">\n\nWhat is Putin's goal in Ukraine by this point anyway?\nFirst it was conquering the country, then it was installing a new government in Ukraine, in parallel to that it was \"denazifying the country\" by eliminating Azov. Then they released the Azovites, a few months after they captured them. Then it was defending their newly acquired oblasts, only to retreat from Kherson and Lyman.\nI feel like the only goal out of those they have stated that they are still pursuing is \"liberating Donbass\".", ">\n\nThere is no \"goal\" anymore. There is only the 'way.\" \nPutin will keep he war going and hope that he can somehow opportunisticly get to an end point that benefits him.", ">\n\nThis is not the way", ">\n\nThe way is not this", ">\n\nNot this is the way", ">\n\nSo, basically 3 are not done properly yet due to Ukraine gov failure, 1 because of EU failure and 3 have good progress. Yeah, definitely will take some time after war ends to finish all 7. Especially when some MPs keep sabotaging that progress.", ">\n\nI cant help but admire the Russian determination to die for Putin. I guess they made it a life goal of theirs to die for a dictator who couldn't give a shit about them. Maybe they love suffering. Maybe they love being able to commit a few warcrimes, act like animals, before they die. Y'know, act psychotic, steal, plunder, destroy, torture, commit a few murders and rapes before embracing your final doom. Bring nothing positive to the world. Just death and suffering. Do they think of their dear dictator living in luxury, right before death strikes them in no man's land?\nThey are being sent by the hundreds per day to die, and die, and die, and be maimed and mutilated. And yet, it doesn't seem they really care. More waves keep coming. What did they think happened to the previous waves?\nTheir culture really is fucked up. Enjoying slavely, enjoying suffering, enjoying subservience to the ''strong man'' dictator, abandonning any hope for a better future for them and their families, while the oligarchs steal and plunder the nation to their own ends, and send them to die for their own blunders and greed. Blaming everyone else for their own problems, and never even attempting to self-reflect or accept even some part of responsibility. Nihilism in its purest form.\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class. I do not deny it. But at least, we are AWARE of those problems, and we still have people who CARE and are CRITICAL of those problems, and still try to improve things. We haven't completely given up and we try to have hope and find solutions, and there are people in our societies who try to keep the powerful accountable, and are not completely cynical. We're far from perfect, but we try, and that's why people often like living in western societies. Because we try to build a decent society, we try to self-reflect, despite all of our shortcomings.\nUkraine did not attack Russia. They just wanted to be left alone, keep their 1991 borders and thrive with partners of their choice. Ukraine did not threaten anyone. They wanted democracy and self-determination. But Putin didn't give a shit. His fucking legacy, greed and delusional vision of history required him to launch one last psychotic war before he would fucking die. Piece of shit. I hope he gets to rot in hell when his time comes.", ">\n\n\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class.\n\nNot saying you meant to imply it but it is very important to not that corruption in western counties is not even remotely as bad as in places like Russia.\nFor instance my buddy in India was saying that if you don't bribe the person at the counter where you get your drivers license you'll get it in 6 months. Slip them the expected amount of money and you'll get it in a few days. Now apply that to every single government employee that you ever want to do something for you. And that includes the police, anyone that works for the government has their hand out all the time. If you don't pay maybe you don't get your license for a few extra months, or maybe you catch a beating from a cop and spend a few days in jail over what should have been a fine. And that doesn't even get into how the rich bribe higher up government officials or how much those same Indian officials steal from public funds.\nCorruption in the west is like we're playing little league and India is up in the pro's. Now keep in mind that Russia is even more corrupt than India. And unfortunately Ukraine is almost as bad as Russia. Zelensky was elected on a platform to clean government up which honestly wasn't going that well before the war, his popularity was slipping. It's obvious he's trying to take advantage of his wartime popularity to make some progress in the issue, I hope that he succeeds.", ">\n\nAgreed. It is imperative for Ukraine to flush out corruption and establish a political elite and population that fights corruption rather than embrace it. Zelensky is certainly not perfect, but Im glad the conflict seems to have sped up his fight agains't corruption. I just hope our impressions are not misplaced. Ukraine must keep striving for lower corruption and more integrity. They are making efforts, I think. We will see in the coming years if the results can be seen and better measured.", ">\n\nEstablishing a political elite causes corruption, it doesn't fight it.", ">\n\nSlava Ukraini. Until victory.", ">\n\nHeroiam Slava!", ">\n\nRussia has been messing in our internal politics for a long time with scary effectiveness. When Ukraine was invaded I am not gonna lie I was scared that I would be fighting in WW3 in a few days or at best fight in it in a few years. But seeing how things have went I no longer have that fear. If anything I am glad the masks are finally off.", ">\n\nBoy is that tweet ever covered in weird pro Russian nut job tweets.\nI see them more often now. Is botting ramping up or just more noticeable as more sane people left Twitter lately? They also always tend to type like right wing Facebook boomers. Lots of 🤣🤣🤣 shit that signals you're dealing with someone with lead poisoning.", ">\n\nMost of them aren't 'real' people. Click on their profiles, look through their media for pictures of themselves or with family. Look through what they Tweet about. It's all about one particular topic, with some dodgy profile picture that could be anyone. These 'people' come across as real, will be verified (i.e. just buying a profile) but don't actually exist. Not bots, but not actual people either.", ">\n\nLike, there's no way the Kadri fanboy account is anything but a bot. No one would be that pathetic.", ">\n\nHow much longer can Russia's crumbling army can last?", ">\n\nI wouldn't underestimate them.", ">\n\nYeh true. It seams they almost want to die in a foreign county by the truckload per day. Living in ruSSia must be more shit it looks.", ">\n\nSoooo…. You think that advertising them here is the way to go?", ">\n\nIn my book, this thread is to discuss everything connected with this war. Pretending that something doesn't exists because we don't like it, doesn't seem to be the best idea.", ">\n\n\nPretending that something doesn't exists because we don't like it, doesn't seem to be the best idea.\n\nHave to get over this mentality - propaganda spreads by exposure, and even highlighting the propaganda as wrong can be used as a vehicle for spread. Key points:\n\nYou can describe it, but do not directly link. Linking provides exposure.\nIf you absolutely must link, link to something that summarizes the flaws in their argument, and one that does not link to source material.\n\nIt's a nice Enlightenment-era ideal that linking source material is always good, that the right idea always wins and that open spread of ideas always makes things better eventually. It's also completely idealistic bullshit, as shown by the digital era and the dynamics of political messaging.", ">\n\nOof. Well, if he had used those legs responsibly, i.e. to propel him back to where he belongs in a timely fashion, perhaps he'd still have them.", ">\n\nWell at least they died to \"enter sandman\"", ">\n\nIt's certainly much less humiliating than to have ones death go down in Internet history set to one of those sad deliberately inept flute renditions of various movie themes.", ">\n\nI forget where I saw it - but a month or so ago there was a post from a Russian citizen claiming that the US was 'nothing but desert with no natural resources with its people starving to death' which is why the US is trying to 'take over Russia through Ukraine'.\nThey've reached North Korean levels of propaganda. Japan did the same thing in WW2, convincing their citizens that American troops were 'beasts' that would rape and torture them. It was the main factor behind the mass suicides in Okinawa.", ">\n\nI think Russians thinking everyone else is 'jealous' of them shows the true depths of the delusion cast upon them by their state. It's truly astonishing.", ">\n\nWhat's odd about that, is they think the world is jealous of Russia yet they themselves cannot wait to leave Russia to see the rest of the world. Remember the temper tantrums when many European states band Russian travelers?", ">\n\nBradleys left the US today, I wonder how long before we start seeing them on the front.\nEdit: Apologies I seen an article about the Bradley's leaving South Carolina posted today but they actually left last week", ">\n\nThey have been in transit for over a week. Maybe you meant another shipment?", ">\n\nI'm not exactly enraged by it. I'd rather say that I'm a little disappointed but hoping that they will come to their senses and send them at a later point. However, that later point will have to be soon.", ">\n\nDay CCCXLIII, Part I. Thread CDLXXXIV.", ">\n\nWell if nothing else, this war is helping me practise roman numerals", ">\n\nYes. It's fun to do them free-hand from memory.", ">\n\nI'm not saying \"all is forgiven\" with Netanyahu. But if he came in big for Ukraine, that would certainly help rehab him from being a Trump/Kushner stooge.", ">\n\nHe hasn't done anything w/r/t military aid to Ukraine yet. He literally just answered a reporter's question, and he was as vague as it gets on what he might decide at a future time, both on type of aid and timetable for giving it.", ">\n\nPleased to see Erdogan has folded so fast on Finland and Sweden joining NATO.\nWe went from, 'Not until we get stuff and you round up all your Kurds for us', to 'OK Finland is just in, let me kick up a little public fuss over a Danish, Russian-backed agent provocateur doing a stunt-burning of a Quran in Stockholm, then we're good'.", ">\n\nHas he folded for both of them now? \nIf so thats good news", ">\n\nFuck Putin with a rusty halberd.", ">\n\n\"struggling\" \nUA sent the russians back to square one" ]
> The western allies should give state of the art air support. Not something like a no fly zone, actual air superiority, perform SEAD and DEAD, and trash Russia in Ukraine until they give up and go home. They absolutely won't, for good reason, it's a fucking fever dream but jeez some days I wish. Edit to add a wholly meaningless rant: It feels like so much time is wasted over "will they / won't they" and "which aircraft", and then there's 6+ months of training, all so you can say Ukraine did it because Russia will totally not say NATO did it anyway, right? Ukraine won't get it done as well as we would ourselves (at first), and don't have the logistics and support (yet), we have all that. Why don't we quit wasting time and just fucking get to it, Russia's going to cry it's NATO or US or whatever either way. We can upgrade Ukraine's airforce and all the rest to NATO standard whatever after this shit is over and done with. Are we gonna bring Ukraine into NATO after this? Yes? Maybe? Then we should start defending them like a potential NATO member instead of this arms length bullshit. All this waffling just makes me think we are still trying to nickle and dime a L for Russia outta this mess at the cost of Ukrainian lives while we keep holding back the really good shit. I'd like those loitering Russian Mig-31's with long range missiles that take potshots at Ukrainian SU-27's to disappear abruptly. K, rant over.
[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.", ">\n\nHalf a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!", ">\n\nEven back then six months ago I didn't expect Russian sycophants to wildly celebrate every time they take something like a single salt mine. Our times keeps getting wilder and wilder.", ">\n\nGrasping at straws.", ">\n\nWhat is Putin's goal in Ukraine by this point anyway?\nFirst it was conquering the country, then it was installing a new government in Ukraine, in parallel to that it was \"denazifying the country\" by eliminating Azov. Then they released the Azovites, a few months after they captured them. Then it was defending their newly acquired oblasts, only to retreat from Kherson and Lyman.\nI feel like the only goal out of those they have stated that they are still pursuing is \"liberating Donbass\".", ">\n\nThere is no \"goal\" anymore. There is only the 'way.\" \nPutin will keep he war going and hope that he can somehow opportunisticly get to an end point that benefits him.", ">\n\nThis is not the way", ">\n\nThe way is not this", ">\n\nNot this is the way", ">\n\nSo, basically 3 are not done properly yet due to Ukraine gov failure, 1 because of EU failure and 3 have good progress. Yeah, definitely will take some time after war ends to finish all 7. Especially when some MPs keep sabotaging that progress.", ">\n\nI cant help but admire the Russian determination to die for Putin. I guess they made it a life goal of theirs to die for a dictator who couldn't give a shit about them. Maybe they love suffering. Maybe they love being able to commit a few warcrimes, act like animals, before they die. Y'know, act psychotic, steal, plunder, destroy, torture, commit a few murders and rapes before embracing your final doom. Bring nothing positive to the world. Just death and suffering. Do they think of their dear dictator living in luxury, right before death strikes them in no man's land?\nThey are being sent by the hundreds per day to die, and die, and die, and be maimed and mutilated. And yet, it doesn't seem they really care. More waves keep coming. What did they think happened to the previous waves?\nTheir culture really is fucked up. Enjoying slavely, enjoying suffering, enjoying subservience to the ''strong man'' dictator, abandonning any hope for a better future for them and their families, while the oligarchs steal and plunder the nation to their own ends, and send them to die for their own blunders and greed. Blaming everyone else for their own problems, and never even attempting to self-reflect or accept even some part of responsibility. Nihilism in its purest form.\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class. I do not deny it. But at least, we are AWARE of those problems, and we still have people who CARE and are CRITICAL of those problems, and still try to improve things. We haven't completely given up and we try to have hope and find solutions, and there are people in our societies who try to keep the powerful accountable, and are not completely cynical. We're far from perfect, but we try, and that's why people often like living in western societies. Because we try to build a decent society, we try to self-reflect, despite all of our shortcomings.\nUkraine did not attack Russia. They just wanted to be left alone, keep their 1991 borders and thrive with partners of their choice. Ukraine did not threaten anyone. They wanted democracy and self-determination. But Putin didn't give a shit. His fucking legacy, greed and delusional vision of history required him to launch one last psychotic war before he would fucking die. Piece of shit. I hope he gets to rot in hell when his time comes.", ">\n\n\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class.\n\nNot saying you meant to imply it but it is very important to not that corruption in western counties is not even remotely as bad as in places like Russia.\nFor instance my buddy in India was saying that if you don't bribe the person at the counter where you get your drivers license you'll get it in 6 months. Slip them the expected amount of money and you'll get it in a few days. Now apply that to every single government employee that you ever want to do something for you. And that includes the police, anyone that works for the government has their hand out all the time. If you don't pay maybe you don't get your license for a few extra months, or maybe you catch a beating from a cop and spend a few days in jail over what should have been a fine. And that doesn't even get into how the rich bribe higher up government officials or how much those same Indian officials steal from public funds.\nCorruption in the west is like we're playing little league and India is up in the pro's. Now keep in mind that Russia is even more corrupt than India. And unfortunately Ukraine is almost as bad as Russia. Zelensky was elected on a platform to clean government up which honestly wasn't going that well before the war, his popularity was slipping. It's obvious he's trying to take advantage of his wartime popularity to make some progress in the issue, I hope that he succeeds.", ">\n\nAgreed. It is imperative for Ukraine to flush out corruption and establish a political elite and population that fights corruption rather than embrace it. Zelensky is certainly not perfect, but Im glad the conflict seems to have sped up his fight agains't corruption. I just hope our impressions are not misplaced. Ukraine must keep striving for lower corruption and more integrity. They are making efforts, I think. We will see in the coming years if the results can be seen and better measured.", ">\n\nEstablishing a political elite causes corruption, it doesn't fight it.", ">\n\nSlava Ukraini. Until victory.", ">\n\nHeroiam Slava!", ">\n\nRussia has been messing in our internal politics for a long time with scary effectiveness. When Ukraine was invaded I am not gonna lie I was scared that I would be fighting in WW3 in a few days or at best fight in it in a few years. But seeing how things have went I no longer have that fear. If anything I am glad the masks are finally off.", ">\n\nBoy is that tweet ever covered in weird pro Russian nut job tweets.\nI see them more often now. Is botting ramping up or just more noticeable as more sane people left Twitter lately? They also always tend to type like right wing Facebook boomers. Lots of 🤣🤣🤣 shit that signals you're dealing with someone with lead poisoning.", ">\n\nMost of them aren't 'real' people. Click on their profiles, look through their media for pictures of themselves or with family. Look through what they Tweet about. It's all about one particular topic, with some dodgy profile picture that could be anyone. These 'people' come across as real, will be verified (i.e. just buying a profile) but don't actually exist. Not bots, but not actual people either.", ">\n\nLike, there's no way the Kadri fanboy account is anything but a bot. No one would be that pathetic.", ">\n\nHow much longer can Russia's crumbling army can last?", ">\n\nI wouldn't underestimate them.", ">\n\nYeh true. It seams they almost want to die in a foreign county by the truckload per day. Living in ruSSia must be more shit it looks.", ">\n\nSoooo…. You think that advertising them here is the way to go?", ">\n\nIn my book, this thread is to discuss everything connected with this war. Pretending that something doesn't exists because we don't like it, doesn't seem to be the best idea.", ">\n\n\nPretending that something doesn't exists because we don't like it, doesn't seem to be the best idea.\n\nHave to get over this mentality - propaganda spreads by exposure, and even highlighting the propaganda as wrong can be used as a vehicle for spread. Key points:\n\nYou can describe it, but do not directly link. Linking provides exposure.\nIf you absolutely must link, link to something that summarizes the flaws in their argument, and one that does not link to source material.\n\nIt's a nice Enlightenment-era ideal that linking source material is always good, that the right idea always wins and that open spread of ideas always makes things better eventually. It's also completely idealistic bullshit, as shown by the digital era and the dynamics of political messaging.", ">\n\nOof. Well, if he had used those legs responsibly, i.e. to propel him back to where he belongs in a timely fashion, perhaps he'd still have them.", ">\n\nWell at least they died to \"enter sandman\"", ">\n\nIt's certainly much less humiliating than to have ones death go down in Internet history set to one of those sad deliberately inept flute renditions of various movie themes.", ">\n\nI forget where I saw it - but a month or so ago there was a post from a Russian citizen claiming that the US was 'nothing but desert with no natural resources with its people starving to death' which is why the US is trying to 'take over Russia through Ukraine'.\nThey've reached North Korean levels of propaganda. Japan did the same thing in WW2, convincing their citizens that American troops were 'beasts' that would rape and torture them. It was the main factor behind the mass suicides in Okinawa.", ">\n\nI think Russians thinking everyone else is 'jealous' of them shows the true depths of the delusion cast upon them by their state. It's truly astonishing.", ">\n\nWhat's odd about that, is they think the world is jealous of Russia yet they themselves cannot wait to leave Russia to see the rest of the world. Remember the temper tantrums when many European states band Russian travelers?", ">\n\nBradleys left the US today, I wonder how long before we start seeing them on the front.\nEdit: Apologies I seen an article about the Bradley's leaving South Carolina posted today but they actually left last week", ">\n\nThey have been in transit for over a week. Maybe you meant another shipment?", ">\n\nI'm not exactly enraged by it. I'd rather say that I'm a little disappointed but hoping that they will come to their senses and send them at a later point. However, that later point will have to be soon.", ">\n\nDay CCCXLIII, Part I. Thread CDLXXXIV.", ">\n\nWell if nothing else, this war is helping me practise roman numerals", ">\n\nYes. It's fun to do them free-hand from memory.", ">\n\nI'm not saying \"all is forgiven\" with Netanyahu. But if he came in big for Ukraine, that would certainly help rehab him from being a Trump/Kushner stooge.", ">\n\nHe hasn't done anything w/r/t military aid to Ukraine yet. He literally just answered a reporter's question, and he was as vague as it gets on what he might decide at a future time, both on type of aid and timetable for giving it.", ">\n\nPleased to see Erdogan has folded so fast on Finland and Sweden joining NATO.\nWe went from, 'Not until we get stuff and you round up all your Kurds for us', to 'OK Finland is just in, let me kick up a little public fuss over a Danish, Russian-backed agent provocateur doing a stunt-burning of a Quran in Stockholm, then we're good'.", ">\n\nHas he folded for both of them now? \nIf so thats good news", ">\n\nFuck Putin with a rusty halberd.", ">\n\n\"struggling\" \nUA sent the russians back to square one", ">\n\nThe Western allies need to give UA state of the art fighter jets." ]
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[ "What's more, they're STILL there. Their goal is occupation and annexation.\nCan't say the same for America in the ME.\nTime put an end to Russia's imperial ambitions once and for all.", ">\n\nThe US didn't intend to annex Afghanistan or force it into becoming some legal extension of the US.\nTrue, we hoped to produce a friendly state that acted and thought like us, but that's a rather different beast, even if it's also a bad policy to go about doing.", ">\n\nThat’s what I’m saying ?", ">\n\nI may have gotten confused about your point, apologies.", ">\n\nNo prob", ">\n\nThe GLSDB weapon system looks terrifying.", ">\n\nIt is. It's a 250 lb warhead, several orders of magnitude larger than current HIMARS rockets. It can go over double the range of the current rounds, and it's accuracy variance is about the size of a hubcap. Also, it's built with the equivalent of a box of garage scraps, since we have stupidly large amounts of both of the two parts we essentially duct taped together.\nSo for the low low price of \"we have a million of these, just take them\", Ukraine will be able to take about 250 lbs of high explosives and hit a vatnik directly in the face with them, if it wanted.\nThe US military is an eldritch being.", ">\n\nWarheads on foreheads!", ">\n\nThis is just the rednecks in the military industrial complex whipping up something out of the box of spare parts to create new and exciting ways of turning bad guys into baloney mist.", ">\n\nThe entire thing reeks of a grunts and crafts project.\n\"What if we took this bomb, that already has wings and a guidance system, and strapped a rocket to it?\"", ">\n\nRespect to the Heroes.", ">\n\nWTF A WHOPPIN 0.1%??!?! NAH IT'S OVER /s", ">\n\nYou have to account not just for area/KIA but also for the critical infrastructure they captured, oh wait... nevermind they didn't", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure there was a water well in Soledar, that’s pretty critical lol!", ">\n\n\n“Our machine gunner was almost [going] crazy because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he didn’t fall. And [later], when he maybe bleeds out, he falls.” \n\nAmphetamines", ">\n\nWhite walkers", ">\n\nFriendly reminder that, for citizens in Western nations, one of the most important things you can do to support Ukraine is write letters to your representatives and government leaders. The most effective way to make a political impact is by pressuring politicians into doing something that they already want to do. Don't be complacent just because your nation is already helping out.", ">\n\nTHey need to pop that one remaining rail bridge (road too?) at the NE part of Crimea and then that cuts off supply to all the southern troops. \nI'm not referencing the Kerch Bridge (which they should finish t he job but that's down the road) but the one at the North of Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's telling when Lots of trolls specifically target something, like the recent GLSDB Announcement. \nThey really, really don't like it\nHow's the nightlife in Savushkina Street, st Petersburg these days?", ">\n\nIf you've got the means, please donate to the Ukrainian government via United24 (for defence, medical aid, rebuilding efforts)\nIf not, there are other ways to help", ">\n\nMP Oleksii Honcharenko reports that SSU is conducting searches today in the following locations:\n\nHome of oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskiy (related to the fraud & embezzlement cases in state enterprises \"Ukrnafta\" and \"Ukrtatnafta\")\nHome or ex-Interior minister Arsen Avakov (related to the Brovary helicopter crash and procurement of Airbus helicopters for the ministry)\nOffice of Interim head of Kyiv city Tax Office Oksana Datiy (related to a tax fraud case)\nHome of ex-MP and construction businessman Vadim Stolar of \"Opposition Block - For Life\" party (for possible financing of terrorism)\nHome of ex-deputy of MoD procurement department Khmelnitskiy - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy of Minister of Defense Shapovalov - given notice of suspicion\nHome of ex-deputy head of \"Promoboronexport\" state defense enterprise Tereschenko - given notice of suspicion", ">\n\nSorry to clarify but this is Ukrainian oligarchs being corrupt? They really need to crack down on that if they want to keep international PR of Zelesnky and co as heroes. I applaud this effort!\nIf only we could do the same with Congress and lobbyists cough cough", ">\n\nIt seems a bit more significant as this particular oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskiy, was supporting Zelensky just a while ago because he hoped he would get his bank back which I think he didn't.", ">\n\nFinally someone takes some god damn responsibility. I'm so fucking sick of this shit with every single sports event. Quatar was not even half a year ago.", ">\n\nThe Aussie Open was last week and they allowed that horrid Lukashenko supporter to play and win.\nWell done, Latvia!", ">\n\nBet they don’t just gift them to Ukraine though.", ">\n\nOn top of those 500k they probably also need a fuckton of refurbishment by Rheinmetall and KMW, i doubt they are in good conditions", ">\n\nAbsolute stupidity. They don’t even know how to run red lights properly.", ">\n\nUkraine is the undisputed Javelin champion at this point anyway.", ">\n\nThis makes way too much sense.", ">\n\nHoly cow the anger about longer range missiles is incredible on Pro Russian forums right now. It's like the dark side of the internet is collectively pulling it's hair out with knotted fists of rage!\nReeeeeeeeee!\nFuck Putin!", ">\n\nThey know its a game changer, their land bridge is now Kherson 2.0", ">\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\nAt some point something needs to be done about all that Russian artillery. Like destroying hundreds more, not a couple here and there. Ukraine can keep forcing back the ammo dumps and lengthen the supply lines, but they already did that before and supplies are still making it to the front. Russian artillery can pound Ukrainian positions when the battlefield is fairly static, and hit Ukrainian troops/vehicles in pre-sighted areas during Ukrainian advances. Maybe these munitions will be capable of taking out artillery better?", ">\n\n\nHow much damage can these munitions cause? I assume they could take out things like trucks, planes, artillery, etc. Can they destroy buildings? Armored vehicles?\n\nThe warhead is a little more than half the size on that of the GMLRS and surely subsonic because it needs to glide like 100km to hit the quoted range figures.\nIt'll destroy vehicles and most buildings it can hit but you'd have to identify, target, and hit them. At 150km without air superiority that's not very easy. \nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them.", ">\n\n\nOn the upside, these are cheaper than GMLRS and more spammable assuming we're sending a lot of them. \n\nThey are not yet in production. So it would take a long time to get big amounts and potentially only very few in the short term.", ">\n\nOn the other hand, as another person put it, they're basically putting two things we have millions of together. So, most of the parts are already assembled.", ">\n\nWithout inciting violence on anyone, noting its an active war zone, I do hope Ukraine counter attack these animals hard and fast.", ">\n\nIT is super common for the undeveloped rural areas to not have gas or sewer lines and a lot of them don't even have indoor plumbing (no septic, bring in water pumped from a town well) and they live in houses literally falling apart, no internet service, sporadic cell service, but damn if they dont all have, without fail, enough power and a flat screen tv to get that propaganda pumped in. These are people that can't afford to buy meat. I would not at all be surprised to find out that they TV and service is gifted by regional government, backed by the regime.", ">\n\nDid he put a beer on the turret first?", ">\n\nThats a starter sequence for the tank.", ">\n\nHas there been any more news on a timeframe for GLSDB to start being used in Ukraine? \nBeing able to slam the Russians within 150km or so would obviously be really handy.", ">\n\nReuters first reported on Boeing's proposal to field GLSDB for Ukraine in November. At the time it was expected GLSDB could be in Ukraine by spring.", ">\n\nI can only imagine that it will be faster. It's an extremely simple weapon in that the only complex part is joining the bomb to the booster and having a release mechanism. The two main components have existed for years and there is a virtually limitless inventory as far as we are concerned.\nThey tested it a while ago, so they already have the capability to build these things reliably. It doesn't really matter that there isn't a full fledged production line, as long as they can get some out and to Ukraine. Even twenty will make a difference.", ">\n\nI think everything will arrive in time for Russia's offensive in March. All these announcements happened the same time the CIA delivered information to zelensky. They probably showed up with detailed information on the 2nd invasion and how Ukraine can defeat it.\nAnnouncing tanks and long range weps that will be there by spring is basically giving Putin a chance to change his mind. Ukraine will be ready so why even bother with another offensive. \nUkraine can just slowly retreat why himars and precision artillery obliterate Russian armor. It just makes no sense for Russia to continue this war if they can't take out the himar systems. They can't, they were hoping we would run out of ammo.\nThat was feasible until recently with the announcement of this new designed missile system. It combines two components that we have in abundance. It's time for Putin to just retreat to the donbass and ask for a ceasefire. He might get lucky and be able to negotiate for Crimea.", ">\n\nfree sandwich and free vodka crowd", ">\n\nFree “not to the frontlines…. Today” crowd", ">\n\nThey are probably put on a bus afterwards, but it doesn't take them back home.", ">\n\nResult!", ">\n\nBoom roasted", ">\n\nI'd buy that for a dollar hahahaha.", ">\n\nPretty sure Ukraine has to agree to a large support contact as well...which the US will probably pay for", ">\n\nEstimated Russian losses from 24.02.2022 to 01.02.2023 (Day 343):\n|Category |Change*|Total |\n|:---|:---|:---|\n|Personnel |+920 |128420 |\n|Tanks |+8 |3209 |\n|APVs |+4 |6382 |\n|Artillery |+10 |2207 |\n|MLRS |+4 |458 |\n|Anti-aircraft Systems |- |221 |\n|Aircraft |- |293 |\n|Helicopters |- |284 |\n|UAVs |- |1951 |\n|Missiles |- |796 |\n|Warships / Boats |- |18 |\n|Other Vehicles |+13 |5061 |\n|Special Equipment |- |200 |\n*Change since the previous day.\nSource: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", ">\n\n920 worst day.\nUkraine; worst day so far", ">\n\nThere were days with 1000 before.", ">\n\nCan you link a day with the general staff of armen Forces of Ukraine with a day above 1000?\nThen I correct my excel sheet.", ">\n\nSorry it was 950, on 29.10.2022. I could have sworn it was 1000 somewhere.", ">\n\nThinking of you, r/pcx99. I hope you are swiftly recovering back to health.", ">\n\nAre they ok? What happened?", ">\n\nOn Nov 9th they had a major heart attack. Go to r/pcx99 and see the pinned post.", ">\n\nIsn't that... uh... the whole point?", ">\n\nNo actually. The oil should still flow, but on a price point that hurts russia's profits.", ">\n\nNATO membership should be voted on in the shortest possible period after Ukraine regains control over the borders, without any delays.", ">\n\nTurkey & Hungary would still take 3 - 100 years to agree.", ">\n\nKeep seeing drone videos of Russians getting bombed. The video is really clear and the accuracy blows my mind. Saw one video of two soldiers less than 2 meters apart lying prone and the bombs land right in between them. What altitude are they dropping the payloads from?", ">\n\nMuch higher than they appear. I think something in the range of 80-120m.\nYou can do the monster math using this", ">\n\nThe IOC is a soulless cesspool of corruption. They aren't banning any Russians or Belarusians as long as someone in those countries can sign a few checks.", ">\n\nSame shit with FIFA and F1. Pretty much all big sport associations are corrupt to the core.", ">\n\nF1/FIA loves money, but even they pulled out of Russia and Haas booted Mazespin.", ">\n\nIs this a new upload? Her 2 previous videos on Frontline were amazing", ">\n\nYup, it's a new / recent interview.", ">\n\nWithout weapons in his hands? No, he will be on the front lines wrestling supersoldiers bare-handed, taking their guns from them! Ukraine is doomed with this guy heading out.", ">\n\nHe might go visit Donetsk city, talk to a few people, take photos and run away.", ">\n\nSo France has now donated 24 Caesars. That's two field artillery batteries of heavy firepower. Very good.", ">\n\nFrance has donated 30 Caesars + 19 from Denmark", ">\n\nThis is pretty excellent news, but I'd be surprised if they have more than a couple dozen stocked.\nThough it would be pretty awesome to see twenty some high value targets well in Russia's rear erupt in a single hour...", ">\n\nYou don’t really need them en masse to make a difference. Target one or two ammunition depots that were previously out of range and you can force a response that makes logistics harder. They Russians have learned and they still remember.\nThe thing is, these bombs are cheap and can be made plentiful, and they are not stealthy to radar. A fun, unintended side effect might be that they fill the same SAM ammunition depletion role that the Russians had enjoyed with Shahed.", ">\n\nI’m sure Snowden is super upset about this /s.", ">\n\nConsidering there is a lot of partisan activity in Melitopol, Tokmak, and other parts of occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast... I wonder if that could prove useful in case Ukraine decides to penetrate the frontlines there and cut Kherson oblast and Crimea from the eastern occupied areas, which some analysts have assessed would be a good course of action.\nConsidering they would have to cut really deep and reach the sea, I feel like the partisan activity could be a great help, as Russian forces in those areas would already be weakened from fighting against partisans.", ">\n\nThey will need longer range missiles for that. Partisans can only so much to sabotage Russian defense positions without support.", ">\n\nGerman Patriot systems have arrived at the Polish Ukrainian border. ~~From my understanding, these are intended for Ukraine.~~\nRough translation/summary of the interview section: They had an uneventful journey to their target destination and are now receiving final preparation for their follow-up assignment.\nSource\nCorrection: They are intended for the NATO east flank protection, so not yet for Ukraine.\nPrimary source with more context", ">\n\nIt's over 9000", ">\n\nSo much littering...", ">\n\nAn attack every 10 minutes I can only commend the Ukrainian defenders for holding that kind of warfare for so long.", ">\n\nHow on earth are there still people there?", ">\n\nSome people fear change even more than death.", ">\n\nImagine when the Bradleys make it there", ">\n\n\nA U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar to help the country defend itself as it prepares for an expected Russian offensive.\n\narticle\nThey should sell them more than two. The Turkish drone has gotten a lot of free advertisement in Ukraine. US drones need to get more action there.", ">\n\nAnyone who wants a Reaper has a Reaper, the TB1s were new.", ">\n\n\nNovobohdanivka\n\nAs someone from North America, I find it interesting to see old world towns and cities that have \"new\" attached to the name. Is there an older version of the town? Like how there's a York that is the name sake of New York. \nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka? \nor is it a situation where the old town got so messed up the citizens just planted the new town on top of it?", ">\n\n\nLike if there's a Novobohdanivka is there a Staryibohdanivka?\n\nIn the early months of war I was relocating through Western Ukraine and spent some time near town called Stary(Old) Sambir, which is 20-something kms off the bigger town called Sambir. \nSo the question is, how could such oddity happen?\nAnd the answer is quite epic: Original Sambir got burned down by the Mongols and so survivors relocated a bit and created new town that got named the same way as the old one. But then few decades(or centuries, idk about lore in much details) later old town got restored and since it's name was already taken, it got named Old Sambir.", ">\n\nThe people defending Balkhmut are fucking legends", ">\n\nToday marks the 6 month anniversary of the start of the battle for Bakhmut. That’s a town with a prewar population of 50,000 that Russia still hasn’t taken or even surrounded despite half a year of attacks", ">\n\n\nThey say this tactic is not pleasant at all.\n\nMy heart bleeds for them.", ">\n\nMaybe load every other shell fired at the Russians with one that has confetti instead of explosives.", ">\n\nNew amendment to the Geneva convention;\nIt is no longer allowed to load munitions with confetti and party horns and a sign reading \"SURPRISE!\"\nIt's cruel and unusual.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian I say that the rule is unfair and is an affront to our battle time heritage.", ">\n\nAs a Canadian, you should already be used to the Geneva Convention adding rules specifically because of your war crimes.", ">\n\nSo Iran's finally annoyed Israel enough?", ">\n\nYou need to do it somewhere symbolic and humiliating to Russia. Crimea should do the trick.", ">\n\nSymbolic: sure, humiliating: no. Just look at what happened to Germany, Hungary and other losing countries after WWI (this is partially what led to WWII). The new leaders of these countries were able to convert the humiliation into stronger nationalism and revanchism. \nHowever, they should find a place which is symbolic for Ukraine, I agree.\nEdit: Mariupol, maybe?", ">\n\nSnake island, duh.", ">\n\nWhoah, that's a great idea.", ">\n\n\"russian delegation, come fuck yourself\"", ">\n\nFuck this. How many Ukrainians need to die, untill we get the tools we need to push Russians out?", ">\n\nI'm sorry, it makes me sick, and I hate to post stuff like this. But, at the same time, I want to make sure people see the horror of what's happening in Ukraine, and keep them determined to support Ukraine and help them put an end to this shit.\nEvery Russian out of Ukraine, either on their feet or in a bag. Their choice.", ">\n\n\"His choice to do so was considered odd because he had no experience operating tanks .. but after his insistence and making an abundance of tank noises, they relented.\"\n/Jk", ">\n\nEven if this were real, I’d respect it…", ">\n\nTaking all bets, on which day will we see 1000+?", ">\n\n1000+ has already happened", ">\n\nYeah, but I'm talking about the first 1000+ since all those months ago.", ">\n\nWe've had one, yes. What about second 1000? \nI don't think he knows about second 1000, Pip.", ">\n\nWhat about Elevenhundredsies?", ">\n\nWhere's a good place to catch up on the overall movement of the war right from the start? I've been following this thread daily, and I get an update on the recent developments in eg Bakhmut or Vuhledar, but I can't really grasp where everybody is...\nI've studied a map to try to get my head around it but I find myself still mixing up eg Kherson and Kharkiv etc.\nI've tried the Kings and Generals YouTube series, but is there anything even more zoomed out? Like a recent 30 minute summary of the entire war?\nThanks", ">\n\nInteractive time lapse map", ">\n\nAnd never forgive", ">\n\nQuick someone notify Guinness World Records.", ">\n\nLuck SoBs. They could be pushing up sunflowers", ">\n\nOr worse, they could be sent back to Russia!", ">\n\nStop giving these losers attention.", ">\n\nRFU attributes a large portion of the spike in Russian losses today to Vuhledar. They've been pushed back again to their original positions, now with a few less tanks.", ">\n\nSo, I'm watching a video from the 1420 YouTube channel and there is this Russian guy who says that Russia considers Ukraine as a brother nation. Well then ... after the other brother made some self-determining decisions like who he wants to hang out with, in what world do you go over to your brother to kill him, rape his wife, kidnap his children, and plunder + burn his house to the ground? If they think that Ukraine moving away from Russia and towards Europe/West is Ukraine losing their way, then a good brother at the very least would let Ukrainians make their own mistakes and let them find out that the grass is not greener on the other side (which is the case of course and the Russians know it). My point is that this notion of a brother nation puts more responsibility on Russia to act with compassion, understanding, patience, and even love ... not less! If 2 countries are indifferent to each other and one acts in a way that goes really against the other country's self-interest, then I expect the moves Russia made sooner than from a brother nation. As a matter of fact, I expect no brother nation to act like Russia is acting, unless it is a psycho brother who has always tried to exert power over their kid brother, really hurting him whenever he wanted to and deriving pleasure out of it. And then throwing a sick tantrum when that dynamic and pleasure is about to be taken away from him?\nI think I also pick up another underlying notion from these interviews. Like, these former USSR nations have to be loyal and thankful towards Russia and if they don't, they are not loyal and sell-outs. But was it not the other way? Russia using these nations basically as colonies to be exploited? I heard about high numbers of Ukrainians dying in World War 2, having a big military industry that Russia could use, Ukraine being a nation of intellectuals, so Russia could also use their intellectual fruits, Ukraine having access to the Black Sea with accessible ports, having fertile ground to grow crops and also having raw materials and minerals in the ground. On and on. Then, if Ukraine did not play ball according to Russia, they organized a genocide like Holodomor to shut them up? My point is, why would it not be the other way around? A former colonial power apologizing and paying reparations to Ukraine? Russians feeling guilt for what they have done? Like ... WTF?", ">\n\nAccording to propaganda, that's what they're doing. Supposedly Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to join Russia, but the evil west is preventing it with its puppet government and nazi soldiers.", ">\n\nThat changed a bit. Now it's \"most/all Ukrainians are Nazis\".", ">\n\nNow that NATO is sending tanks and IFV's Ukraine will need to integrate them into their existing forces and implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept that has proven to work well against russia trained forces in places like Desert storm. Using this concept, the ex-NATO tanks and IFV’s will be Concentrated into an incredibly powerful and very fast-moving ‘iron fist’ to smash through the Russian defenses following an intense and continuing artillery barrage that ‘rolls forward’ into the depth of the Russian positions. IFV’s will cover the flanks, and dismount Infantry as required to suppress enemy fires from the flank positions, and airstrikes into the rear areas and key transportation/communication nodes will prevent/disrupt Russian attempts at regrouping or counterattacks. Closely Following the ex-NATO armored formations will come the Ukrainian T-64’s, T-72’s, BMP’s and the like, whose purpose will be to ‘fan out’ to the left and right of the main armor breakthrough to sow confusion, fear and destruction throughout the rear areas of the Russian defensive lines, which is most likely to cause enough panic that the Russians will either try to flee en masse, or surrender in droves. Meanwhile, the ex-NATO armored fist will either Continue to punch forward to take advantage of tasty ‘opportunities’ that present themselves,, or, if the confusion is obtained and complete sufficient for the other Ukrainian forces to deal with, may well withdraw to conserve their strength for another big breakthrough somewhere else.\nOne key ‘difference’ is that because of the relative weakness of Ukrainian air assets, it will be necessary to bring along as many air defense systems as possible to prevent the Russian air force from trying to interdict/stop the armored fist from breaking through, or attacking their necessary assembly areas prior to the big push.", ">\n\n\nand implement NATO's air/land combined arms concept\n\nUkraine literally needs fighter jets for the \"air\" part. The longer governments deliberate and delay, the less successful those offensives could be", ">\n\nJust heard a lady on the news decry Putin's war as entirely in Ukraine's imagination. Fucking disgusting. Nut jobs like her have voting rights but should probably be institutionalized.", ">\n\nI hate how news organizations give platforms to such contrairian idiots to drive rage clicks / views and sell ad content.", ">\n\nYeah, what’s the point of letting such people speak in public? Might as well fill the news with “The sky is green” people.", ">\n\nHalf a year has passed since the siege began, and Bakhmut still stands!", ">\n\nEven back then six months ago I didn't expect Russian sycophants to wildly celebrate every time they take something like a single salt mine. Our times keeps getting wilder and wilder.", ">\n\nGrasping at straws.", ">\n\nWhat is Putin's goal in Ukraine by this point anyway?\nFirst it was conquering the country, then it was installing a new government in Ukraine, in parallel to that it was \"denazifying the country\" by eliminating Azov. Then they released the Azovites, a few months after they captured them. Then it was defending their newly acquired oblasts, only to retreat from Kherson and Lyman.\nI feel like the only goal out of those they have stated that they are still pursuing is \"liberating Donbass\".", ">\n\nThere is no \"goal\" anymore. There is only the 'way.\" \nPutin will keep he war going and hope that he can somehow opportunisticly get to an end point that benefits him.", ">\n\nThis is not the way", ">\n\nThe way is not this", ">\n\nNot this is the way", ">\n\nSo, basically 3 are not done properly yet due to Ukraine gov failure, 1 because of EU failure and 3 have good progress. Yeah, definitely will take some time after war ends to finish all 7. Especially when some MPs keep sabotaging that progress.", ">\n\nI cant help but admire the Russian determination to die for Putin. I guess they made it a life goal of theirs to die for a dictator who couldn't give a shit about them. Maybe they love suffering. Maybe they love being able to commit a few warcrimes, act like animals, before they die. Y'know, act psychotic, steal, plunder, destroy, torture, commit a few murders and rapes before embracing your final doom. Bring nothing positive to the world. Just death and suffering. Do they think of their dear dictator living in luxury, right before death strikes them in no man's land?\nThey are being sent by the hundreds per day to die, and die, and die, and be maimed and mutilated. And yet, it doesn't seem they really care. More waves keep coming. What did they think happened to the previous waves?\nTheir culture really is fucked up. Enjoying slavely, enjoying suffering, enjoying subservience to the ''strong man'' dictator, abandonning any hope for a better future for them and their families, while the oligarchs steal and plunder the nation to their own ends, and send them to die for their own blunders and greed. Blaming everyone else for their own problems, and never even attempting to self-reflect or accept even some part of responsibility. Nihilism in its purest form.\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class. I do not deny it. But at least, we are AWARE of those problems, and we still have people who CARE and are CRITICAL of those problems, and still try to improve things. We haven't completely given up and we try to have hope and find solutions, and there are people in our societies who try to keep the powerful accountable, and are not completely cynical. We're far from perfect, but we try, and that's why people often like living in western societies. Because we try to build a decent society, we try to self-reflect, despite all of our shortcomings.\nUkraine did not attack Russia. They just wanted to be left alone, keep their 1991 borders and thrive with partners of their choice. Ukraine did not threaten anyone. They wanted democracy and self-determination. But Putin didn't give a shit. His fucking legacy, greed and delusional vision of history required him to launch one last psychotic war before he would fucking die. Piece of shit. I hope he gets to rot in hell when his time comes.", ">\n\n\nWe westerners do face all sorts of problems with corruption and our upper political and economic class.\n\nNot saying you meant to imply it but it is very important to not that corruption in western counties is not even remotely as bad as in places like Russia.\nFor instance my buddy in India was saying that if you don't bribe the person at the counter where you get your drivers license you'll get it in 6 months. Slip them the expected amount of money and you'll get it in a few days. Now apply that to every single government employee that you ever want to do something for you. And that includes the police, anyone that works for the government has their hand out all the time. If you don't pay maybe you don't get your license for a few extra months, or maybe you catch a beating from a cop and spend a few days in jail over what should have been a fine. And that doesn't even get into how the rich bribe higher up government officials or how much those same Indian officials steal from public funds.\nCorruption in the west is like we're playing little league and India is up in the pro's. Now keep in mind that Russia is even more corrupt than India. And unfortunately Ukraine is almost as bad as Russia. Zelensky was elected on a platform to clean government up which honestly wasn't going that well before the war, his popularity was slipping. It's obvious he's trying to take advantage of his wartime popularity to make some progress in the issue, I hope that he succeeds.", ">\n\nAgreed. It is imperative for Ukraine to flush out corruption and establish a political elite and population that fights corruption rather than embrace it. Zelensky is certainly not perfect, but Im glad the conflict seems to have sped up his fight agains't corruption. I just hope our impressions are not misplaced. Ukraine must keep striving for lower corruption and more integrity. They are making efforts, I think. We will see in the coming years if the results can be seen and better measured.", ">\n\nEstablishing a political elite causes corruption, it doesn't fight it.", ">\n\nSlava Ukraini. Until victory.", ">\n\nHeroiam Slava!", ">\n\nRussia has been messing in our internal politics for a long time with scary effectiveness. When Ukraine was invaded I am not gonna lie I was scared that I would be fighting in WW3 in a few days or at best fight in it in a few years. But seeing how things have went I no longer have that fear. If anything I am glad the masks are finally off.", ">\n\nBoy is that tweet ever covered in weird pro Russian nut job tweets.\nI see them more often now. Is botting ramping up or just more noticeable as more sane people left Twitter lately? They also always tend to type like right wing Facebook boomers. Lots of 🤣🤣🤣 shit that signals you're dealing with someone with lead poisoning.", ">\n\nMost of them aren't 'real' people. Click on their profiles, look through their media for pictures of themselves or with family. Look through what they Tweet about. It's all about one particular topic, with some dodgy profile picture that could be anyone. These 'people' come across as real, will be verified (i.e. just buying a profile) but don't actually exist. Not bots, but not actual people either.", ">\n\nLike, there's no way the Kadri fanboy account is anything but a bot. No one would be that pathetic.", ">\n\nHow much longer can Russia's crumbling army can last?", ">\n\nI wouldn't underestimate them.", ">\n\nYeh true. It seams they almost want to die in a foreign county by the truckload per day. Living in ruSSia must be more shit it looks.", ">\n\nSoooo…. You think that advertising them here is the way to go?", ">\n\nIn my book, this thread is to discuss everything connected with this war. Pretending that something doesn't exists because we don't like it, doesn't seem to be the best idea.", ">\n\n\nPretending that something doesn't exists because we don't like it, doesn't seem to be the best idea.\n\nHave to get over this mentality - propaganda spreads by exposure, and even highlighting the propaganda as wrong can be used as a vehicle for spread. Key points:\n\nYou can describe it, but do not directly link. Linking provides exposure.\nIf you absolutely must link, link to something that summarizes the flaws in their argument, and one that does not link to source material.\n\nIt's a nice Enlightenment-era ideal that linking source material is always good, that the right idea always wins and that open spread of ideas always makes things better eventually. It's also completely idealistic bullshit, as shown by the digital era and the dynamics of political messaging.", ">\n\nOof. Well, if he had used those legs responsibly, i.e. to propel him back to where he belongs in a timely fashion, perhaps he'd still have them.", ">\n\nWell at least they died to \"enter sandman\"", ">\n\nIt's certainly much less humiliating than to have ones death go down in Internet history set to one of those sad deliberately inept flute renditions of various movie themes.", ">\n\nI forget where I saw it - but a month or so ago there was a post from a Russian citizen claiming that the US was 'nothing but desert with no natural resources with its people starving to death' which is why the US is trying to 'take over Russia through Ukraine'.\nThey've reached North Korean levels of propaganda. Japan did the same thing in WW2, convincing their citizens that American troops were 'beasts' that would rape and torture them. It was the main factor behind the mass suicides in Okinawa.", ">\n\nI think Russians thinking everyone else is 'jealous' of them shows the true depths of the delusion cast upon them by their state. It's truly astonishing.", ">\n\nWhat's odd about that, is they think the world is jealous of Russia yet they themselves cannot wait to leave Russia to see the rest of the world. Remember the temper tantrums when many European states band Russian travelers?", ">\n\nBradleys left the US today, I wonder how long before we start seeing them on the front.\nEdit: Apologies I seen an article about the Bradley's leaving South Carolina posted today but they actually left last week", ">\n\nThey have been in transit for over a week. Maybe you meant another shipment?", ">\n\nI'm not exactly enraged by it. I'd rather say that I'm a little disappointed but hoping that they will come to their senses and send them at a later point. However, that later point will have to be soon.", ">\n\nDay CCCXLIII, Part I. Thread CDLXXXIV.", ">\n\nWell if nothing else, this war is helping me practise roman numerals", ">\n\nYes. It's fun to do them free-hand from memory.", ">\n\nI'm not saying \"all is forgiven\" with Netanyahu. But if he came in big for Ukraine, that would certainly help rehab him from being a Trump/Kushner stooge.", ">\n\nHe hasn't done anything w/r/t military aid to Ukraine yet. He literally just answered a reporter's question, and he was as vague as it gets on what he might decide at a future time, both on type of aid and timetable for giving it.", ">\n\nPleased to see Erdogan has folded so fast on Finland and Sweden joining NATO.\nWe went from, 'Not until we get stuff and you round up all your Kurds for us', to 'OK Finland is just in, let me kick up a little public fuss over a Danish, Russian-backed agent provocateur doing a stunt-burning of a Quran in Stockholm, then we're good'.", ">\n\nHas he folded for both of them now? \nIf so thats good news", ">\n\nFuck Putin with a rusty halberd.", ">\n\n\"struggling\" \nUA sent the russians back to square one", ">\n\nThe Western allies need to give UA state of the art fighter jets.", ">\n\nThe western allies should give state of the art air support. Not something like a no fly zone, actual air superiority, perform SEAD and DEAD, and trash Russia in Ukraine until they give up and go home.\nThey absolutely won't, for good reason, it's a fucking fever dream but jeez some days I wish.\nEdit to add a wholly meaningless rant:\nIt feels like so much time is wasted over \"will they / won't they\" and \"which aircraft\", and then there's 6+ months of training, all so you can say Ukraine did it because Russia will totally not say NATO did it anyway, right? Ukraine won't get it done as well as we would ourselves (at first), and don't have the logistics and support (yet), we have all that. Why don't we quit wasting time and just fucking get to it, Russia's going to cry it's NATO or US or whatever either way. We can upgrade Ukraine's airforce and all the rest to NATO standard whatever after this shit is over and done with.\nAre we gonna bring Ukraine into NATO after this? Yes? Maybe? Then we should start defending them like a potential NATO member instead of this arms length bullshit. All this waffling just makes me think we are still trying to nickle and dime a L for Russia outta this mess at the cost of Ukrainian lives while we keep holding back the really good shit.\nI'd like those loitering Russian Mig-31's with long range missiles that take potshots at Ukrainian SU-27's to disappear abruptly.\nK, rant over." ]
I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was "about time!" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.
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> Me and my first wife were like rhat
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol." ]
> Then what happened?
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat" ]
> Then you get told "I wish I met someone like you."
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?" ]
> They make for the most difficult breakups,
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"" ]
> Sometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships. Also The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups," ]
> Eh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure. Of course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate: Having your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems. Accountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't. If you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as "I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person." Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that. I 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬" ]
> If you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. A romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will)." ]
> I met my wife in a bar. I was drunk as shit and my pickup line was "You're cute, wanna make out?" She said "hell no", but I talked to her again the next day when I was sober and we hit it off instantly. I think the best relationships just don't involve the games, or one person chasing until the other finally settles and gives in.
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).", ">\n\nIf you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. \nA romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail" ]
> This is at least plausible. I agree that the strongest romantic relationships contain an element of robust friendship, but I'm not sure that you need to START like this first. It's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).", ">\n\nIf you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. \nA romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail", ">\n\nI met my wife in a bar. I was drunk as shit and my pickup line was \"You're cute, wanna make out?\"\nShe said \"hell no\", but I talked to her again the next day when I was sober and we hit it off instantly. \nI think the best relationships just don't involve the games, or one person chasing until the other finally settles and gives in." ]
> It's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently. I really think this is what happened between my wife and I. We met online gaming in 2000. That doesn't sound revolutinary by today's standards but then it was. We talked more and more and it just kind of developed that we were friends, then it moved to RL and not just games. We became best friends and lovers all at the same time. Been together ever since.
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).", ">\n\nIf you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. \nA romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail", ">\n\nI met my wife in a bar. I was drunk as shit and my pickup line was \"You're cute, wanna make out?\"\nShe said \"hell no\", but I talked to her again the next day when I was sober and we hit it off instantly. \nI think the best relationships just don't involve the games, or one person chasing until the other finally settles and gives in.", ">\n\nThis is at least plausible. I agree that the strongest romantic relationships contain an element of robust friendship, but I'm not sure that you need to START like this first. It's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently." ]
> We met online gaming in 2000. Been together ever since. Don't give redditors too much hope.. jk congrats!
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).", ">\n\nIf you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. \nA romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail", ">\n\nI met my wife in a bar. I was drunk as shit and my pickup line was \"You're cute, wanna make out?\"\nShe said \"hell no\", but I talked to her again the next day when I was sober and we hit it off instantly. \nI think the best relationships just don't involve the games, or one person chasing until the other finally settles and gives in.", ">\n\nThis is at least plausible. I agree that the strongest romantic relationships contain an element of robust friendship, but I'm not sure that you need to START like this first. It's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.", ">\n\n\nIt's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.\n\nI really think this is what happened between my wife and I. We met online gaming in 2000. That doesn't sound revolutinary by today's standards but then it was. We talked more and more and it just kind of developed that we were friends, then it moved to RL and not just games. We became best friends and lovers all at the same time. Been together ever since." ]
> LOL. It was a text based online trivia game. No photos no voice. Just text. You really get to know someone that way. No distractions.
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).", ">\n\nIf you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. \nA romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail", ">\n\nI met my wife in a bar. I was drunk as shit and my pickup line was \"You're cute, wanna make out?\"\nShe said \"hell no\", but I talked to her again the next day when I was sober and we hit it off instantly. \nI think the best relationships just don't involve the games, or one person chasing until the other finally settles and gives in.", ">\n\nThis is at least plausible. I agree that the strongest romantic relationships contain an element of robust friendship, but I'm not sure that you need to START like this first. It's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.", ">\n\n\nIt's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.\n\nI really think this is what happened between my wife and I. We met online gaming in 2000. That doesn't sound revolutinary by today's standards but then it was. We talked more and more and it just kind of developed that we were friends, then it moved to RL and not just games. We became best friends and lovers all at the same time. Been together ever since.", ">\n\n\nWe met online gaming in 2000. Been together ever since.\n\nDon't give redditors too much hope..\njk congrats!" ]
> Agreeable. I wouldnt say "The strongest romantic relationships" HAVE to start that way, but the ones that do tend to be strong romantic relationships.
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).", ">\n\nIf you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. \nA romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail", ">\n\nI met my wife in a bar. I was drunk as shit and my pickup line was \"You're cute, wanna make out?\"\nShe said \"hell no\", but I talked to her again the next day when I was sober and we hit it off instantly. \nI think the best relationships just don't involve the games, or one person chasing until the other finally settles and gives in.", ">\n\nThis is at least plausible. I agree that the strongest romantic relationships contain an element of robust friendship, but I'm not sure that you need to START like this first. It's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.", ">\n\n\nIt's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.\n\nI really think this is what happened between my wife and I. We met online gaming in 2000. That doesn't sound revolutinary by today's standards but then it was. We talked more and more and it just kind of developed that we were friends, then it moved to RL and not just games. We became best friends and lovers all at the same time. Been together ever since.", ">\n\n\nWe met online gaming in 2000. Been together ever since.\n\nDon't give redditors too much hope..\njk congrats!", ">\n\nLOL. It was a text based online trivia game. No photos no voice. Just text. You really get to know someone that way. No distractions." ]
> I think you’re projecting. My 25 years-and-counting relationship with my wife started out on a foundation of raw, animalistic lust.
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).", ">\n\nIf you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. \nA romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail", ">\n\nI met my wife in a bar. I was drunk as shit and my pickup line was \"You're cute, wanna make out?\"\nShe said \"hell no\", but I talked to her again the next day when I was sober and we hit it off instantly. \nI think the best relationships just don't involve the games, or one person chasing until the other finally settles and gives in.", ">\n\nThis is at least plausible. I agree that the strongest romantic relationships contain an element of robust friendship, but I'm not sure that you need to START like this first. It's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.", ">\n\n\nIt's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.\n\nI really think this is what happened between my wife and I. We met online gaming in 2000. That doesn't sound revolutinary by today's standards but then it was. We talked more and more and it just kind of developed that we were friends, then it moved to RL and not just games. We became best friends and lovers all at the same time. Been together ever since.", ">\n\n\nWe met online gaming in 2000. Been together ever since.\n\nDon't give redditors too much hope..\njk congrats!", ">\n\nLOL. It was a text based online trivia game. No photos no voice. Just text. You really get to know someone that way. No distractions.", ">\n\nAgreeable. I wouldnt say \"The strongest romantic relationships\" HAVE to start that way, but the ones that do tend to be strong romantic relationships." ]
> But on the other hand there are plenty of people that are best friends, try to date and realize they have no romantic thing, and afterwards it's getting weird etc. You need a romantic and friendship-base, if you want to stay happy togehter. But what comes first is basically irrelevant.
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).", ">\n\nIf you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. \nA romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail", ">\n\nI met my wife in a bar. I was drunk as shit and my pickup line was \"You're cute, wanna make out?\"\nShe said \"hell no\", but I talked to her again the next day when I was sober and we hit it off instantly. \nI think the best relationships just don't involve the games, or one person chasing until the other finally settles and gives in.", ">\n\nThis is at least plausible. I agree that the strongest romantic relationships contain an element of robust friendship, but I'm not sure that you need to START like this first. It's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.", ">\n\n\nIt's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.\n\nI really think this is what happened between my wife and I. We met online gaming in 2000. That doesn't sound revolutinary by today's standards but then it was. We talked more and more and it just kind of developed that we were friends, then it moved to RL and not just games. We became best friends and lovers all at the same time. Been together ever since.", ">\n\n\nWe met online gaming in 2000. Been together ever since.\n\nDon't give redditors too much hope..\njk congrats!", ">\n\nLOL. It was a text based online trivia game. No photos no voice. Just text. You really get to know someone that way. No distractions.", ">\n\nAgreeable. I wouldnt say \"The strongest romantic relationships\" HAVE to start that way, but the ones that do tend to be strong romantic relationships.", ">\n\nI think you’re projecting. My 25 years-and-counting relationship with my wife started out on a foundation of raw, animalistic lust." ]
> That’s great since every time I’ve caught feelings for a friend I also lost them as a friend
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).", ">\n\nIf you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. \nA romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail", ">\n\nI met my wife in a bar. I was drunk as shit and my pickup line was \"You're cute, wanna make out?\"\nShe said \"hell no\", but I talked to her again the next day when I was sober and we hit it off instantly. \nI think the best relationships just don't involve the games, or one person chasing until the other finally settles and gives in.", ">\n\nThis is at least plausible. I agree that the strongest romantic relationships contain an element of robust friendship, but I'm not sure that you need to START like this first. It's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.", ">\n\n\nIt's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.\n\nI really think this is what happened between my wife and I. We met online gaming in 2000. That doesn't sound revolutinary by today's standards but then it was. We talked more and more and it just kind of developed that we were friends, then it moved to RL and not just games. We became best friends and lovers all at the same time. Been together ever since.", ">\n\n\nWe met online gaming in 2000. Been together ever since.\n\nDon't give redditors too much hope..\njk congrats!", ">\n\nLOL. It was a text based online trivia game. No photos no voice. Just text. You really get to know someone that way. No distractions.", ">\n\nAgreeable. I wouldnt say \"The strongest romantic relationships\" HAVE to start that way, but the ones that do tend to be strong romantic relationships.", ">\n\nI think you’re projecting. My 25 years-and-counting relationship with my wife started out on a foundation of raw, animalistic lust.", ">\n\nBut on the other hand there are plenty of people that are best friends, try to date and realize they have no romantic thing, and afterwards it's getting weird etc. \nYou need a romantic and friendship-base, if you want to stay happy togehter. But what comes first is basically irrelevant." ]
> The trick is to not stare at them intently for too long at a time
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).", ">\n\nIf you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. \nA romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail", ">\n\nI met my wife in a bar. I was drunk as shit and my pickup line was \"You're cute, wanna make out?\"\nShe said \"hell no\", but I talked to her again the next day when I was sober and we hit it off instantly. \nI think the best relationships just don't involve the games, or one person chasing until the other finally settles and gives in.", ">\n\nThis is at least plausible. I agree that the strongest romantic relationships contain an element of robust friendship, but I'm not sure that you need to START like this first. It's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.", ">\n\n\nIt's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.\n\nI really think this is what happened between my wife and I. We met online gaming in 2000. That doesn't sound revolutinary by today's standards but then it was. We talked more and more and it just kind of developed that we were friends, then it moved to RL and not just games. We became best friends and lovers all at the same time. Been together ever since.", ">\n\n\nWe met online gaming in 2000. Been together ever since.\n\nDon't give redditors too much hope..\njk congrats!", ">\n\nLOL. It was a text based online trivia game. No photos no voice. Just text. You really get to know someone that way. No distractions.", ">\n\nAgreeable. I wouldnt say \"The strongest romantic relationships\" HAVE to start that way, but the ones that do tend to be strong romantic relationships.", ">\n\nI think you’re projecting. My 25 years-and-counting relationship with my wife started out on a foundation of raw, animalistic lust.", ">\n\nBut on the other hand there are plenty of people that are best friends, try to date and realize they have no romantic thing, and afterwards it's getting weird etc. \nYou need a romantic and friendship-base, if you want to stay happy togehter. But what comes first is basically irrelevant.", ">\n\nThat’s great since every time I’ve caught feelings for a friend I also lost them as a friend" ]
> People struggle with dating because of these types of opinions. There is no one way to develop a good relationship, there are many. And one way that works for some people can be the exact reason it fails for others. It depends on everyone involved.
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).", ">\n\nIf you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. \nA romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail", ">\n\nI met my wife in a bar. I was drunk as shit and my pickup line was \"You're cute, wanna make out?\"\nShe said \"hell no\", but I talked to her again the next day when I was sober and we hit it off instantly. \nI think the best relationships just don't involve the games, or one person chasing until the other finally settles and gives in.", ">\n\nThis is at least plausible. I agree that the strongest romantic relationships contain an element of robust friendship, but I'm not sure that you need to START like this first. It's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.", ">\n\n\nIt's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.\n\nI really think this is what happened between my wife and I. We met online gaming in 2000. That doesn't sound revolutinary by today's standards but then it was. We talked more and more and it just kind of developed that we were friends, then it moved to RL and not just games. We became best friends and lovers all at the same time. Been together ever since.", ">\n\n\nWe met online gaming in 2000. Been together ever since.\n\nDon't give redditors too much hope..\njk congrats!", ">\n\nLOL. It was a text based online trivia game. No photos no voice. Just text. You really get to know someone that way. No distractions.", ">\n\nAgreeable. I wouldnt say \"The strongest romantic relationships\" HAVE to start that way, but the ones that do tend to be strong romantic relationships.", ">\n\nI think you’re projecting. My 25 years-and-counting relationship with my wife started out on a foundation of raw, animalistic lust.", ">\n\nBut on the other hand there are plenty of people that are best friends, try to date and realize they have no romantic thing, and afterwards it's getting weird etc. \nYou need a romantic and friendship-base, if you want to stay happy togehter. But what comes first is basically irrelevant.", ">\n\nThat’s great since every time I’ve caught feelings for a friend I also lost them as a friend", ">\n\nThe trick is to not stare at them intently for too long at a time" ]
> Totally agree, I was friends with my wife for 2 years before we began dating. We will be having our 15th wedding anniversary in a couple weeks.
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).", ">\n\nIf you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. \nA romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail", ">\n\nI met my wife in a bar. I was drunk as shit and my pickup line was \"You're cute, wanna make out?\"\nShe said \"hell no\", but I talked to her again the next day when I was sober and we hit it off instantly. \nI think the best relationships just don't involve the games, or one person chasing until the other finally settles and gives in.", ">\n\nThis is at least plausible. I agree that the strongest romantic relationships contain an element of robust friendship, but I'm not sure that you need to START like this first. It's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.", ">\n\n\nIt's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.\n\nI really think this is what happened between my wife and I. We met online gaming in 2000. That doesn't sound revolutinary by today's standards but then it was. We talked more and more and it just kind of developed that we were friends, then it moved to RL and not just games. We became best friends and lovers all at the same time. Been together ever since.", ">\n\n\nWe met online gaming in 2000. Been together ever since.\n\nDon't give redditors too much hope..\njk congrats!", ">\n\nLOL. It was a text based online trivia game. No photos no voice. Just text. You really get to know someone that way. No distractions.", ">\n\nAgreeable. I wouldnt say \"The strongest romantic relationships\" HAVE to start that way, but the ones that do tend to be strong romantic relationships.", ">\n\nI think you’re projecting. My 25 years-and-counting relationship with my wife started out on a foundation of raw, animalistic lust.", ">\n\nBut on the other hand there are plenty of people that are best friends, try to date and realize they have no romantic thing, and afterwards it's getting weird etc. \nYou need a romantic and friendship-base, if you want to stay happy togehter. But what comes first is basically irrelevant.", ">\n\nThat’s great since every time I’ve caught feelings for a friend I also lost them as a friend", ">\n\nThe trick is to not stare at them intently for too long at a time", ">\n\nPeople struggle with dating because of these types of opinions. There is no one way to develop a good relationship, there are many. And one way that works for some people can be the exact reason it fails for others. It depends on everyone involved." ]
> Congratulations! Yay for best friends!!
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).", ">\n\nIf you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. \nA romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail", ">\n\nI met my wife in a bar. I was drunk as shit and my pickup line was \"You're cute, wanna make out?\"\nShe said \"hell no\", but I talked to her again the next day when I was sober and we hit it off instantly. \nI think the best relationships just don't involve the games, or one person chasing until the other finally settles and gives in.", ">\n\nThis is at least plausible. I agree that the strongest romantic relationships contain an element of robust friendship, but I'm not sure that you need to START like this first. It's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.", ">\n\n\nIt's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.\n\nI really think this is what happened between my wife and I. We met online gaming in 2000. That doesn't sound revolutinary by today's standards but then it was. We talked more and more and it just kind of developed that we were friends, then it moved to RL and not just games. We became best friends and lovers all at the same time. Been together ever since.", ">\n\n\nWe met online gaming in 2000. Been together ever since.\n\nDon't give redditors too much hope..\njk congrats!", ">\n\nLOL. It was a text based online trivia game. No photos no voice. Just text. You really get to know someone that way. No distractions.", ">\n\nAgreeable. I wouldnt say \"The strongest romantic relationships\" HAVE to start that way, but the ones that do tend to be strong romantic relationships.", ">\n\nI think you’re projecting. My 25 years-and-counting relationship with my wife started out on a foundation of raw, animalistic lust.", ">\n\nBut on the other hand there are plenty of people that are best friends, try to date and realize they have no romantic thing, and afterwards it's getting weird etc. \nYou need a romantic and friendship-base, if you want to stay happy togehter. But what comes first is basically irrelevant.", ">\n\nThat’s great since every time I’ve caught feelings for a friend I also lost them as a friend", ">\n\nThe trick is to not stare at them intently for too long at a time", ">\n\nPeople struggle with dating because of these types of opinions. There is no one way to develop a good relationship, there are many. And one way that works for some people can be the exact reason it fails for others. It depends on everyone involved.", ">\n\nTotally agree, I was friends with my wife for 2 years before we began dating. We will be having our 15th wedding anniversary in a couple weeks." ]
> I sorta disagree, from personal experience. When I dated someone who I'd been friends with for years, it didn't turn out well. Yeah sure, I knew the bad and good things about them. But that's a double edged sword, because they figured that I would 'be okay with' the same things now that we were in a relationship. There was nothing new for me to learn about him and no bonding experiences that could help us know each other deeper/better, because we already knew each other incredibly well. He wouldn't shut up about his ex before or during our relationship. I gave him an ultimatum and he only continued. I broke up with him and then became an ex he won't shut up about. However, when I met my current long distance partner, we only knew each other a month before getting together, as there was relatively quick mutual attraction. Our relationship is now 5 years strong and learning new things about them is/has been a bonding experience that I didn't have with the aforementioned ex of mine. So, I think this isn't true in all cases.
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).", ">\n\nIf you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. \nA romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail", ">\n\nI met my wife in a bar. I was drunk as shit and my pickup line was \"You're cute, wanna make out?\"\nShe said \"hell no\", but I talked to her again the next day when I was sober and we hit it off instantly. \nI think the best relationships just don't involve the games, or one person chasing until the other finally settles and gives in.", ">\n\nThis is at least plausible. I agree that the strongest romantic relationships contain an element of robust friendship, but I'm not sure that you need to START like this first. It's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.", ">\n\n\nIt's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.\n\nI really think this is what happened between my wife and I. We met online gaming in 2000. That doesn't sound revolutinary by today's standards but then it was. We talked more and more and it just kind of developed that we were friends, then it moved to RL and not just games. We became best friends and lovers all at the same time. Been together ever since.", ">\n\n\nWe met online gaming in 2000. Been together ever since.\n\nDon't give redditors too much hope..\njk congrats!", ">\n\nLOL. It was a text based online trivia game. No photos no voice. Just text. You really get to know someone that way. No distractions.", ">\n\nAgreeable. I wouldnt say \"The strongest romantic relationships\" HAVE to start that way, but the ones that do tend to be strong romantic relationships.", ">\n\nI think you’re projecting. My 25 years-and-counting relationship with my wife started out on a foundation of raw, animalistic lust.", ">\n\nBut on the other hand there are plenty of people that are best friends, try to date and realize they have no romantic thing, and afterwards it's getting weird etc. \nYou need a romantic and friendship-base, if you want to stay happy togehter. But what comes first is basically irrelevant.", ">\n\nThat’s great since every time I’ve caught feelings for a friend I also lost them as a friend", ">\n\nThe trick is to not stare at them intently for too long at a time", ">\n\nPeople struggle with dating because of these types of opinions. There is no one way to develop a good relationship, there are many. And one way that works for some people can be the exact reason it fails for others. It depends on everyone involved.", ">\n\nTotally agree, I was friends with my wife for 2 years before we began dating. We will be having our 15th wedding anniversary in a couple weeks.", ">\n\nCongratulations! Yay for best friends!!" ]
> I think you don't mean the strongest but safest. All of the things you mentioned are found in long term partners of dating apps and such as well, but of course they also might not be. What you're describing is every long term relationship. The trust building, the friendship. And yes you don't always find that on dating apps vs being friends first. But dating apps offer you a large pool to chose from which is generally much larger than your friend group. But you also have to remember the downsides of dating a friend too. If it doesn't work out what happens to your friendship or friend group? Were you just friends to get close enough to date because that's kinda shitty. Not to mention it's hard to know if they're actually like you or don't want to lose a friend so go along with it.
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).", ">\n\nIf you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. \nA romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail", ">\n\nI met my wife in a bar. I was drunk as shit and my pickup line was \"You're cute, wanna make out?\"\nShe said \"hell no\", but I talked to her again the next day when I was sober and we hit it off instantly. \nI think the best relationships just don't involve the games, or one person chasing until the other finally settles and gives in.", ">\n\nThis is at least plausible. I agree that the strongest romantic relationships contain an element of robust friendship, but I'm not sure that you need to START like this first. It's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.", ">\n\n\nIt's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.\n\nI really think this is what happened between my wife and I. We met online gaming in 2000. That doesn't sound revolutinary by today's standards but then it was. We talked more and more and it just kind of developed that we were friends, then it moved to RL and not just games. We became best friends and lovers all at the same time. Been together ever since.", ">\n\n\nWe met online gaming in 2000. Been together ever since.\n\nDon't give redditors too much hope..\njk congrats!", ">\n\nLOL. It was a text based online trivia game. No photos no voice. Just text. You really get to know someone that way. No distractions.", ">\n\nAgreeable. I wouldnt say \"The strongest romantic relationships\" HAVE to start that way, but the ones that do tend to be strong romantic relationships.", ">\n\nI think you’re projecting. My 25 years-and-counting relationship with my wife started out on a foundation of raw, animalistic lust.", ">\n\nBut on the other hand there are plenty of people that are best friends, try to date and realize they have no romantic thing, and afterwards it's getting weird etc. \nYou need a romantic and friendship-base, if you want to stay happy togehter. But what comes first is basically irrelevant.", ">\n\nThat’s great since every time I’ve caught feelings for a friend I also lost them as a friend", ">\n\nThe trick is to not stare at them intently for too long at a time", ">\n\nPeople struggle with dating because of these types of opinions. There is no one way to develop a good relationship, there are many. And one way that works for some people can be the exact reason it fails for others. It depends on everyone involved.", ">\n\nTotally agree, I was friends with my wife for 2 years before we began dating. We will be having our 15th wedding anniversary in a couple weeks.", ">\n\nCongratulations! Yay for best friends!!", ">\n\nI sorta disagree, from personal experience.\nWhen I dated someone who I'd been friends with for years, it didn't turn out well. Yeah sure, I knew the bad and good things about them. But that's a double edged sword, because they figured that I would 'be okay with' the same things now that we were in a relationship. There was nothing new for me to learn about him and no bonding experiences that could help us know each other deeper/better, because we already knew each other incredibly well. He wouldn't shut up about his ex before or during our relationship. I gave him an ultimatum and he only continued. I broke up with him and then became an ex he won't shut up about. \nHowever, when I met my current long distance partner, we only knew each other a month before getting together, as there was relatively quick mutual attraction. Our relationship is now 5 years strong and learning new things about them is/has been a bonding experience that I didn't have with the aforementioned ex of mine.\nSo, I think this isn't true in all cases." ]
> Not for me, I've been with A LOT of people, I've dated a few as well. My current gf and future wife met when she came into my shop to get piercings done with her friends, she called the shop afterwards and we had sex the next day. We have been dating ever since ( 3 years ) and she Is the first woman I trust completely and feel comfortable and know I want to spend my entire life with her, my last relationship was 9 years, we were friends before that, the one before that was 6 years, also friends before. So, no, there really is no rules for making the "perfect relationship". My "one night stand" turned into the woman im going to spend my life with. Seems others have pointed this out as well. This is projection
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).", ">\n\nIf you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. \nA romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail", ">\n\nI met my wife in a bar. I was drunk as shit and my pickup line was \"You're cute, wanna make out?\"\nShe said \"hell no\", but I talked to her again the next day when I was sober and we hit it off instantly. \nI think the best relationships just don't involve the games, or one person chasing until the other finally settles and gives in.", ">\n\nThis is at least plausible. I agree that the strongest romantic relationships contain an element of robust friendship, but I'm not sure that you need to START like this first. It's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.", ">\n\n\nIt's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.\n\nI really think this is what happened between my wife and I. We met online gaming in 2000. That doesn't sound revolutinary by today's standards but then it was. We talked more and more and it just kind of developed that we were friends, then it moved to RL and not just games. We became best friends and lovers all at the same time. Been together ever since.", ">\n\n\nWe met online gaming in 2000. Been together ever since.\n\nDon't give redditors too much hope..\njk congrats!", ">\n\nLOL. It was a text based online trivia game. No photos no voice. Just text. You really get to know someone that way. No distractions.", ">\n\nAgreeable. I wouldnt say \"The strongest romantic relationships\" HAVE to start that way, but the ones that do tend to be strong romantic relationships.", ">\n\nI think you’re projecting. My 25 years-and-counting relationship with my wife started out on a foundation of raw, animalistic lust.", ">\n\nBut on the other hand there are plenty of people that are best friends, try to date and realize they have no romantic thing, and afterwards it's getting weird etc. \nYou need a romantic and friendship-base, if you want to stay happy togehter. But what comes first is basically irrelevant.", ">\n\nThat’s great since every time I’ve caught feelings for a friend I also lost them as a friend", ">\n\nThe trick is to not stare at them intently for too long at a time", ">\n\nPeople struggle with dating because of these types of opinions. There is no one way to develop a good relationship, there are many. And one way that works for some people can be the exact reason it fails for others. It depends on everyone involved.", ">\n\nTotally agree, I was friends with my wife for 2 years before we began dating. We will be having our 15th wedding anniversary in a couple weeks.", ">\n\nCongratulations! Yay for best friends!!", ">\n\nI sorta disagree, from personal experience.\nWhen I dated someone who I'd been friends with for years, it didn't turn out well. Yeah sure, I knew the bad and good things about them. But that's a double edged sword, because they figured that I would 'be okay with' the same things now that we were in a relationship. There was nothing new for me to learn about him and no bonding experiences that could help us know each other deeper/better, because we already knew each other incredibly well. He wouldn't shut up about his ex before or during our relationship. I gave him an ultimatum and he only continued. I broke up with him and then became an ex he won't shut up about. \nHowever, when I met my current long distance partner, we only knew each other a month before getting together, as there was relatively quick mutual attraction. Our relationship is now 5 years strong and learning new things about them is/has been a bonding experience that I didn't have with the aforementioned ex of mine.\nSo, I think this isn't true in all cases.", ">\n\nI think you don't mean the strongest but safest. All of the things you mentioned are found in long term partners of dating apps and such as well, but of course they also might not be.\nWhat you're describing is every long term relationship. The trust building, the friendship. And yes you don't always find that on dating apps vs being friends first. But dating apps offer you a large pool to chose from which is generally much larger than your friend group.\nBut you also have to remember the downsides of dating a friend too. If it doesn't work out what happens to your friendship or friend group? Were you just friends to get close enough to date because that's kinda shitty. Not to mention it's hard to know if they're actually like you or don't want to lose a friend so go along with it." ]
> My friend found his first girlfriend on Tindr and she was an abusive narcassist (he left her thank god) I was a platonic friend with my bf for 3 years before dating him, and we love each other so fucking much
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).", ">\n\nIf you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. \nA romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail", ">\n\nI met my wife in a bar. I was drunk as shit and my pickup line was \"You're cute, wanna make out?\"\nShe said \"hell no\", but I talked to her again the next day when I was sober and we hit it off instantly. \nI think the best relationships just don't involve the games, or one person chasing until the other finally settles and gives in.", ">\n\nThis is at least plausible. I agree that the strongest romantic relationships contain an element of robust friendship, but I'm not sure that you need to START like this first. It's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.", ">\n\n\nIt's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.\n\nI really think this is what happened between my wife and I. We met online gaming in 2000. That doesn't sound revolutinary by today's standards but then it was. We talked more and more and it just kind of developed that we were friends, then it moved to RL and not just games. We became best friends and lovers all at the same time. Been together ever since.", ">\n\n\nWe met online gaming in 2000. Been together ever since.\n\nDon't give redditors too much hope..\njk congrats!", ">\n\nLOL. It was a text based online trivia game. No photos no voice. Just text. You really get to know someone that way. No distractions.", ">\n\nAgreeable. I wouldnt say \"The strongest romantic relationships\" HAVE to start that way, but the ones that do tend to be strong romantic relationships.", ">\n\nI think you’re projecting. My 25 years-and-counting relationship with my wife started out on a foundation of raw, animalistic lust.", ">\n\nBut on the other hand there are plenty of people that are best friends, try to date and realize they have no romantic thing, and afterwards it's getting weird etc. \nYou need a romantic and friendship-base, if you want to stay happy togehter. But what comes first is basically irrelevant.", ">\n\nThat’s great since every time I’ve caught feelings for a friend I also lost them as a friend", ">\n\nThe trick is to not stare at them intently for too long at a time", ">\n\nPeople struggle with dating because of these types of opinions. There is no one way to develop a good relationship, there are many. And one way that works for some people can be the exact reason it fails for others. It depends on everyone involved.", ">\n\nTotally agree, I was friends with my wife for 2 years before we began dating. We will be having our 15th wedding anniversary in a couple weeks.", ">\n\nCongratulations! Yay for best friends!!", ">\n\nI sorta disagree, from personal experience.\nWhen I dated someone who I'd been friends with for years, it didn't turn out well. Yeah sure, I knew the bad and good things about them. But that's a double edged sword, because they figured that I would 'be okay with' the same things now that we were in a relationship. There was nothing new for me to learn about him and no bonding experiences that could help us know each other deeper/better, because we already knew each other incredibly well. He wouldn't shut up about his ex before or during our relationship. I gave him an ultimatum and he only continued. I broke up with him and then became an ex he won't shut up about. \nHowever, when I met my current long distance partner, we only knew each other a month before getting together, as there was relatively quick mutual attraction. Our relationship is now 5 years strong and learning new things about them is/has been a bonding experience that I didn't have with the aforementioned ex of mine.\nSo, I think this isn't true in all cases.", ">\n\nI think you don't mean the strongest but safest. All of the things you mentioned are found in long term partners of dating apps and such as well, but of course they also might not be.\nWhat you're describing is every long term relationship. The trust building, the friendship. And yes you don't always find that on dating apps vs being friends first. But dating apps offer you a large pool to chose from which is generally much larger than your friend group.\nBut you also have to remember the downsides of dating a friend too. If it doesn't work out what happens to your friendship or friend group? Were you just friends to get close enough to date because that's kinda shitty. Not to mention it's hard to know if they're actually like you or don't want to lose a friend so go along with it.", ">\n\nNot for me, I've been with A LOT of people, I've dated a few as well. My current gf and future wife met when she came into my shop to get piercings done with her friends, she called the shop afterwards and we had sex the next day. We have been dating ever since ( 3 years ) and she Is the first woman I trust completely and feel comfortable and know I want to spend my entire life with her, my last relationship was 9 years, we were friends before that, the one before that was 6 years, also friends before. So, no, there really is no rules for making the \"perfect relationship\". My \"one night stand\" turned into the woman im going to spend my life with. Seems others have pointed this out as well. This is projection" ]
> Good for you! Nonetheless, all scenarios exist around the same percentage: - starting as friends becoming good romantic - starting as friends and not being good romantic partners - starting as a date/lust and becoming good romantically - starting as a date/lust and it does not work out
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).", ">\n\nIf you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. \nA romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail", ">\n\nI met my wife in a bar. I was drunk as shit and my pickup line was \"You're cute, wanna make out?\"\nShe said \"hell no\", but I talked to her again the next day when I was sober and we hit it off instantly. \nI think the best relationships just don't involve the games, or one person chasing until the other finally settles and gives in.", ">\n\nThis is at least plausible. I agree that the strongest romantic relationships contain an element of robust friendship, but I'm not sure that you need to START like this first. It's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.", ">\n\n\nIt's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.\n\nI really think this is what happened between my wife and I. We met online gaming in 2000. That doesn't sound revolutinary by today's standards but then it was. We talked more and more and it just kind of developed that we were friends, then it moved to RL and not just games. We became best friends and lovers all at the same time. Been together ever since.", ">\n\n\nWe met online gaming in 2000. Been together ever since.\n\nDon't give redditors too much hope..\njk congrats!", ">\n\nLOL. It was a text based online trivia game. No photos no voice. Just text. You really get to know someone that way. No distractions.", ">\n\nAgreeable. I wouldnt say \"The strongest romantic relationships\" HAVE to start that way, but the ones that do tend to be strong romantic relationships.", ">\n\nI think you’re projecting. My 25 years-and-counting relationship with my wife started out on a foundation of raw, animalistic lust.", ">\n\nBut on the other hand there are plenty of people that are best friends, try to date and realize they have no romantic thing, and afterwards it's getting weird etc. \nYou need a romantic and friendship-base, if you want to stay happy togehter. But what comes first is basically irrelevant.", ">\n\nThat’s great since every time I’ve caught feelings for a friend I also lost them as a friend", ">\n\nThe trick is to not stare at them intently for too long at a time", ">\n\nPeople struggle with dating because of these types of opinions. There is no one way to develop a good relationship, there are many. And one way that works for some people can be the exact reason it fails for others. It depends on everyone involved.", ">\n\nTotally agree, I was friends with my wife for 2 years before we began dating. We will be having our 15th wedding anniversary in a couple weeks.", ">\n\nCongratulations! Yay for best friends!!", ">\n\nI sorta disagree, from personal experience.\nWhen I dated someone who I'd been friends with for years, it didn't turn out well. Yeah sure, I knew the bad and good things about them. But that's a double edged sword, because they figured that I would 'be okay with' the same things now that we were in a relationship. There was nothing new for me to learn about him and no bonding experiences that could help us know each other deeper/better, because we already knew each other incredibly well. He wouldn't shut up about his ex before or during our relationship. I gave him an ultimatum and he only continued. I broke up with him and then became an ex he won't shut up about. \nHowever, when I met my current long distance partner, we only knew each other a month before getting together, as there was relatively quick mutual attraction. Our relationship is now 5 years strong and learning new things about them is/has been a bonding experience that I didn't have with the aforementioned ex of mine.\nSo, I think this isn't true in all cases.", ">\n\nI think you don't mean the strongest but safest. All of the things you mentioned are found in long term partners of dating apps and such as well, but of course they also might not be.\nWhat you're describing is every long term relationship. The trust building, the friendship. And yes you don't always find that on dating apps vs being friends first. But dating apps offer you a large pool to chose from which is generally much larger than your friend group.\nBut you also have to remember the downsides of dating a friend too. If it doesn't work out what happens to your friendship or friend group? Were you just friends to get close enough to date because that's kinda shitty. Not to mention it's hard to know if they're actually like you or don't want to lose a friend so go along with it.", ">\n\nNot for me, I've been with A LOT of people, I've dated a few as well. My current gf and future wife met when she came into my shop to get piercings done with her friends, she called the shop afterwards and we had sex the next day. We have been dating ever since ( 3 years ) and she Is the first woman I trust completely and feel comfortable and know I want to spend my entire life with her, my last relationship was 9 years, we were friends before that, the one before that was 6 years, also friends before. So, no, there really is no rules for making the \"perfect relationship\". My \"one night stand\" turned into the woman im going to spend my life with. Seems others have pointed this out as well. This is projection", ">\n\nMy friend found his first girlfriend on Tindr and she was an abusive narcassist (he left her thank god)\nI was a platonic friend with my bf for 3 years before dating him, and we love each other so fucking much" ]
> Not the same percentage, OP is right that you'll find a fulfilling relationship more often in person and starting off as friends.
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).", ">\n\nIf you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. \nA romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail", ">\n\nI met my wife in a bar. I was drunk as shit and my pickup line was \"You're cute, wanna make out?\"\nShe said \"hell no\", but I talked to her again the next day when I was sober and we hit it off instantly. \nI think the best relationships just don't involve the games, or one person chasing until the other finally settles and gives in.", ">\n\nThis is at least plausible. I agree that the strongest romantic relationships contain an element of robust friendship, but I'm not sure that you need to START like this first. It's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.", ">\n\n\nIt's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.\n\nI really think this is what happened between my wife and I. We met online gaming in 2000. That doesn't sound revolutinary by today's standards but then it was. We talked more and more and it just kind of developed that we were friends, then it moved to RL and not just games. We became best friends and lovers all at the same time. Been together ever since.", ">\n\n\nWe met online gaming in 2000. Been together ever since.\n\nDon't give redditors too much hope..\njk congrats!", ">\n\nLOL. It was a text based online trivia game. No photos no voice. Just text. You really get to know someone that way. No distractions.", ">\n\nAgreeable. I wouldnt say \"The strongest romantic relationships\" HAVE to start that way, but the ones that do tend to be strong romantic relationships.", ">\n\nI think you’re projecting. My 25 years-and-counting relationship with my wife started out on a foundation of raw, animalistic lust.", ">\n\nBut on the other hand there are plenty of people that are best friends, try to date and realize they have no romantic thing, and afterwards it's getting weird etc. \nYou need a romantic and friendship-base, if you want to stay happy togehter. But what comes first is basically irrelevant.", ">\n\nThat’s great since every time I’ve caught feelings for a friend I also lost them as a friend", ">\n\nThe trick is to not stare at them intently for too long at a time", ">\n\nPeople struggle with dating because of these types of opinions. There is no one way to develop a good relationship, there are many. And one way that works for some people can be the exact reason it fails for others. It depends on everyone involved.", ">\n\nTotally agree, I was friends with my wife for 2 years before we began dating. We will be having our 15th wedding anniversary in a couple weeks.", ">\n\nCongratulations! Yay for best friends!!", ">\n\nI sorta disagree, from personal experience.\nWhen I dated someone who I'd been friends with for years, it didn't turn out well. Yeah sure, I knew the bad and good things about them. But that's a double edged sword, because they figured that I would 'be okay with' the same things now that we were in a relationship. There was nothing new for me to learn about him and no bonding experiences that could help us know each other deeper/better, because we already knew each other incredibly well. He wouldn't shut up about his ex before or during our relationship. I gave him an ultimatum and he only continued. I broke up with him and then became an ex he won't shut up about. \nHowever, when I met my current long distance partner, we only knew each other a month before getting together, as there was relatively quick mutual attraction. Our relationship is now 5 years strong and learning new things about them is/has been a bonding experience that I didn't have with the aforementioned ex of mine.\nSo, I think this isn't true in all cases.", ">\n\nI think you don't mean the strongest but safest. All of the things you mentioned are found in long term partners of dating apps and such as well, but of course they also might not be.\nWhat you're describing is every long term relationship. The trust building, the friendship. And yes you don't always find that on dating apps vs being friends first. But dating apps offer you a large pool to chose from which is generally much larger than your friend group.\nBut you also have to remember the downsides of dating a friend too. If it doesn't work out what happens to your friendship or friend group? Were you just friends to get close enough to date because that's kinda shitty. Not to mention it's hard to know if they're actually like you or don't want to lose a friend so go along with it.", ">\n\nNot for me, I've been with A LOT of people, I've dated a few as well. My current gf and future wife met when she came into my shop to get piercings done with her friends, she called the shop afterwards and we had sex the next day. We have been dating ever since ( 3 years ) and she Is the first woman I trust completely and feel comfortable and know I want to spend my entire life with her, my last relationship was 9 years, we were friends before that, the one before that was 6 years, also friends before. So, no, there really is no rules for making the \"perfect relationship\". My \"one night stand\" turned into the woman im going to spend my life with. Seems others have pointed this out as well. This is projection", ">\n\nMy friend found his first girlfriend on Tindr and she was an abusive narcassist (he left her thank god)\nI was a platonic friend with my bf for 3 years before dating him, and we love each other so fucking much", ">\n\nGood for you!\nNonetheless, all scenarios exist around the same percentage:\n- starting as friends becoming good romantic\n- starting as friends and not being good romantic partners\n- starting as a date/lust and becoming good romantically\n- starting as a date/lust and it does not work out" ]
> Not that I don’t believe you, but do you have a source? The best relationships I know are from people in the middle: dating, never knew (or interacted with) each other but taking it slow. People who jump too quickly end up fighting, and the people who were friends for so long do manage, but at the end it seems they do divorce because the spark is gone Again, got no proof for that. Just what it seems
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).", ">\n\nIf you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. \nA romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail", ">\n\nI met my wife in a bar. I was drunk as shit and my pickup line was \"You're cute, wanna make out?\"\nShe said \"hell no\", but I talked to her again the next day when I was sober and we hit it off instantly. \nI think the best relationships just don't involve the games, or one person chasing until the other finally settles and gives in.", ">\n\nThis is at least plausible. I agree that the strongest romantic relationships contain an element of robust friendship, but I'm not sure that you need to START like this first. It's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.", ">\n\n\nIt's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.\n\nI really think this is what happened between my wife and I. We met online gaming in 2000. That doesn't sound revolutinary by today's standards but then it was. We talked more and more and it just kind of developed that we were friends, then it moved to RL and not just games. We became best friends and lovers all at the same time. Been together ever since.", ">\n\n\nWe met online gaming in 2000. Been together ever since.\n\nDon't give redditors too much hope..\njk congrats!", ">\n\nLOL. It was a text based online trivia game. No photos no voice. Just text. You really get to know someone that way. No distractions.", ">\n\nAgreeable. I wouldnt say \"The strongest romantic relationships\" HAVE to start that way, but the ones that do tend to be strong romantic relationships.", ">\n\nI think you’re projecting. My 25 years-and-counting relationship with my wife started out on a foundation of raw, animalistic lust.", ">\n\nBut on the other hand there are plenty of people that are best friends, try to date and realize they have no romantic thing, and afterwards it's getting weird etc. \nYou need a romantic and friendship-base, if you want to stay happy togehter. But what comes first is basically irrelevant.", ">\n\nThat’s great since every time I’ve caught feelings for a friend I also lost them as a friend", ">\n\nThe trick is to not stare at them intently for too long at a time", ">\n\nPeople struggle with dating because of these types of opinions. There is no one way to develop a good relationship, there are many. And one way that works for some people can be the exact reason it fails for others. It depends on everyone involved.", ">\n\nTotally agree, I was friends with my wife for 2 years before we began dating. We will be having our 15th wedding anniversary in a couple weeks.", ">\n\nCongratulations! Yay for best friends!!", ">\n\nI sorta disagree, from personal experience.\nWhen I dated someone who I'd been friends with for years, it didn't turn out well. Yeah sure, I knew the bad and good things about them. But that's a double edged sword, because they figured that I would 'be okay with' the same things now that we were in a relationship. There was nothing new for me to learn about him and no bonding experiences that could help us know each other deeper/better, because we already knew each other incredibly well. He wouldn't shut up about his ex before or during our relationship. I gave him an ultimatum and he only continued. I broke up with him and then became an ex he won't shut up about. \nHowever, when I met my current long distance partner, we only knew each other a month before getting together, as there was relatively quick mutual attraction. Our relationship is now 5 years strong and learning new things about them is/has been a bonding experience that I didn't have with the aforementioned ex of mine.\nSo, I think this isn't true in all cases.", ">\n\nI think you don't mean the strongest but safest. All of the things you mentioned are found in long term partners of dating apps and such as well, but of course they also might not be.\nWhat you're describing is every long term relationship. The trust building, the friendship. And yes you don't always find that on dating apps vs being friends first. But dating apps offer you a large pool to chose from which is generally much larger than your friend group.\nBut you also have to remember the downsides of dating a friend too. If it doesn't work out what happens to your friendship or friend group? Were you just friends to get close enough to date because that's kinda shitty. Not to mention it's hard to know if they're actually like you or don't want to lose a friend so go along with it.", ">\n\nNot for me, I've been with A LOT of people, I've dated a few as well. My current gf and future wife met when she came into my shop to get piercings done with her friends, she called the shop afterwards and we had sex the next day. We have been dating ever since ( 3 years ) and she Is the first woman I trust completely and feel comfortable and know I want to spend my entire life with her, my last relationship was 9 years, we were friends before that, the one before that was 6 years, also friends before. So, no, there really is no rules for making the \"perfect relationship\". My \"one night stand\" turned into the woman im going to spend my life with. Seems others have pointed this out as well. This is projection", ">\n\nMy friend found his first girlfriend on Tindr and she was an abusive narcassist (he left her thank god)\nI was a platonic friend with my bf for 3 years before dating him, and we love each other so fucking much", ">\n\nGood for you!\nNonetheless, all scenarios exist around the same percentage:\n- starting as friends becoming good romantic\n- starting as friends and not being good romantic partners\n- starting as a date/lust and becoming good romantically\n- starting as a date/lust and it does not work out", ">\n\nNot the same percentage, OP is right that you'll find a fulfilling relationship more often in person and starting off as friends." ]
> You're asking me for sauce and yet you have failed to provide sauce yourself for your claim that all relationship types are equally occuring. You can only make a subjetive opinion on the matter and our views will be completely different because experiences are uniaue to the individual. People who enter marriages quickly end up leaving soon because they failed to know each other better. But instead of dating, they could've literally been friends for a long time and that qualifies for 'getting to know each other' and so jumping into marriage might end up being long term. I guess its dofferent for everyone, but I always wanted to meet my partner in real life either at study or work because I know we would be similar on those grounds. I did and I'm happy, and I'm happy because I got to know him more in the safe friendzone. It was a slow process but it was worth it.
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).", ">\n\nIf you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. \nA romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail", ">\n\nI met my wife in a bar. I was drunk as shit and my pickup line was \"You're cute, wanna make out?\"\nShe said \"hell no\", but I talked to her again the next day when I was sober and we hit it off instantly. \nI think the best relationships just don't involve the games, or one person chasing until the other finally settles and gives in.", ">\n\nThis is at least plausible. I agree that the strongest romantic relationships contain an element of robust friendship, but I'm not sure that you need to START like this first. It's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.", ">\n\n\nIt's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.\n\nI really think this is what happened between my wife and I. We met online gaming in 2000. That doesn't sound revolutinary by today's standards but then it was. We talked more and more and it just kind of developed that we were friends, then it moved to RL and not just games. We became best friends and lovers all at the same time. Been together ever since.", ">\n\n\nWe met online gaming in 2000. Been together ever since.\n\nDon't give redditors too much hope..\njk congrats!", ">\n\nLOL. It was a text based online trivia game. No photos no voice. Just text. You really get to know someone that way. No distractions.", ">\n\nAgreeable. I wouldnt say \"The strongest romantic relationships\" HAVE to start that way, but the ones that do tend to be strong romantic relationships.", ">\n\nI think you’re projecting. My 25 years-and-counting relationship with my wife started out on a foundation of raw, animalistic lust.", ">\n\nBut on the other hand there are plenty of people that are best friends, try to date and realize they have no romantic thing, and afterwards it's getting weird etc. \nYou need a romantic and friendship-base, if you want to stay happy togehter. But what comes first is basically irrelevant.", ">\n\nThat’s great since every time I’ve caught feelings for a friend I also lost them as a friend", ">\n\nThe trick is to not stare at them intently for too long at a time", ">\n\nPeople struggle with dating because of these types of opinions. There is no one way to develop a good relationship, there are many. And one way that works for some people can be the exact reason it fails for others. It depends on everyone involved.", ">\n\nTotally agree, I was friends with my wife for 2 years before we began dating. We will be having our 15th wedding anniversary in a couple weeks.", ">\n\nCongratulations! Yay for best friends!!", ">\n\nI sorta disagree, from personal experience.\nWhen I dated someone who I'd been friends with for years, it didn't turn out well. Yeah sure, I knew the bad and good things about them. But that's a double edged sword, because they figured that I would 'be okay with' the same things now that we were in a relationship. There was nothing new for me to learn about him and no bonding experiences that could help us know each other deeper/better, because we already knew each other incredibly well. He wouldn't shut up about his ex before or during our relationship. I gave him an ultimatum and he only continued. I broke up with him and then became an ex he won't shut up about. \nHowever, when I met my current long distance partner, we only knew each other a month before getting together, as there was relatively quick mutual attraction. Our relationship is now 5 years strong and learning new things about them is/has been a bonding experience that I didn't have with the aforementioned ex of mine.\nSo, I think this isn't true in all cases.", ">\n\nI think you don't mean the strongest but safest. All of the things you mentioned are found in long term partners of dating apps and such as well, but of course they also might not be.\nWhat you're describing is every long term relationship. The trust building, the friendship. And yes you don't always find that on dating apps vs being friends first. But dating apps offer you a large pool to chose from which is generally much larger than your friend group.\nBut you also have to remember the downsides of dating a friend too. If it doesn't work out what happens to your friendship or friend group? Were you just friends to get close enough to date because that's kinda shitty. Not to mention it's hard to know if they're actually like you or don't want to lose a friend so go along with it.", ">\n\nNot for me, I've been with A LOT of people, I've dated a few as well. My current gf and future wife met when she came into my shop to get piercings done with her friends, she called the shop afterwards and we had sex the next day. We have been dating ever since ( 3 years ) and she Is the first woman I trust completely and feel comfortable and know I want to spend my entire life with her, my last relationship was 9 years, we were friends before that, the one before that was 6 years, also friends before. So, no, there really is no rules for making the \"perfect relationship\". My \"one night stand\" turned into the woman im going to spend my life with. Seems others have pointed this out as well. This is projection", ">\n\nMy friend found his first girlfriend on Tindr and she was an abusive narcassist (he left her thank god)\nI was a platonic friend with my bf for 3 years before dating him, and we love each other so fucking much", ">\n\nGood for you!\nNonetheless, all scenarios exist around the same percentage:\n- starting as friends becoming good romantic\n- starting as friends and not being good romantic partners\n- starting as a date/lust and becoming good romantically\n- starting as a date/lust and it does not work out", ">\n\nNot the same percentage, OP is right that you'll find a fulfilling relationship more often in person and starting off as friends.", ">\n\nNot that I don’t believe you, but do you have a source?\nThe best relationships I know are from people in the middle: dating, never knew (or interacted with) each other but taking it slow. People who jump too quickly end up fighting, and the people who were friends for so long do manage, but at the end it seems they do divorce because the spark is gone\nAgain, got no proof for that. Just what it seems" ]
> I somewhat agree, but not everyone is lucky enough to have or can stay in social circles where you find your s/o.
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).", ">\n\nIf you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. \nA romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail", ">\n\nI met my wife in a bar. I was drunk as shit and my pickup line was \"You're cute, wanna make out?\"\nShe said \"hell no\", but I talked to her again the next day when I was sober and we hit it off instantly. \nI think the best relationships just don't involve the games, or one person chasing until the other finally settles and gives in.", ">\n\nThis is at least plausible. I agree that the strongest romantic relationships contain an element of robust friendship, but I'm not sure that you need to START like this first. It's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.", ">\n\n\nIt's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.\n\nI really think this is what happened between my wife and I. We met online gaming in 2000. That doesn't sound revolutinary by today's standards but then it was. We talked more and more and it just kind of developed that we were friends, then it moved to RL and not just games. We became best friends and lovers all at the same time. Been together ever since.", ">\n\n\nWe met online gaming in 2000. Been together ever since.\n\nDon't give redditors too much hope..\njk congrats!", ">\n\nLOL. It was a text based online trivia game. No photos no voice. Just text. You really get to know someone that way. No distractions.", ">\n\nAgreeable. I wouldnt say \"The strongest romantic relationships\" HAVE to start that way, but the ones that do tend to be strong romantic relationships.", ">\n\nI think you’re projecting. My 25 years-and-counting relationship with my wife started out on a foundation of raw, animalistic lust.", ">\n\nBut on the other hand there are plenty of people that are best friends, try to date and realize they have no romantic thing, and afterwards it's getting weird etc. \nYou need a romantic and friendship-base, if you want to stay happy togehter. But what comes first is basically irrelevant.", ">\n\nThat’s great since every time I’ve caught feelings for a friend I also lost them as a friend", ">\n\nThe trick is to not stare at them intently for too long at a time", ">\n\nPeople struggle with dating because of these types of opinions. There is no one way to develop a good relationship, there are many. And one way that works for some people can be the exact reason it fails for others. It depends on everyone involved.", ">\n\nTotally agree, I was friends with my wife for 2 years before we began dating. We will be having our 15th wedding anniversary in a couple weeks.", ">\n\nCongratulations! Yay for best friends!!", ">\n\nI sorta disagree, from personal experience.\nWhen I dated someone who I'd been friends with for years, it didn't turn out well. Yeah sure, I knew the bad and good things about them. But that's a double edged sword, because they figured that I would 'be okay with' the same things now that we were in a relationship. There was nothing new for me to learn about him and no bonding experiences that could help us know each other deeper/better, because we already knew each other incredibly well. He wouldn't shut up about his ex before or during our relationship. I gave him an ultimatum and he only continued. I broke up with him and then became an ex he won't shut up about. \nHowever, when I met my current long distance partner, we only knew each other a month before getting together, as there was relatively quick mutual attraction. Our relationship is now 5 years strong and learning new things about them is/has been a bonding experience that I didn't have with the aforementioned ex of mine.\nSo, I think this isn't true in all cases.", ">\n\nI think you don't mean the strongest but safest. All of the things you mentioned are found in long term partners of dating apps and such as well, but of course they also might not be.\nWhat you're describing is every long term relationship. The trust building, the friendship. And yes you don't always find that on dating apps vs being friends first. But dating apps offer you a large pool to chose from which is generally much larger than your friend group.\nBut you also have to remember the downsides of dating a friend too. If it doesn't work out what happens to your friendship or friend group? Were you just friends to get close enough to date because that's kinda shitty. Not to mention it's hard to know if they're actually like you or don't want to lose a friend so go along with it.", ">\n\nNot for me, I've been with A LOT of people, I've dated a few as well. My current gf and future wife met when she came into my shop to get piercings done with her friends, she called the shop afterwards and we had sex the next day. We have been dating ever since ( 3 years ) and she Is the first woman I trust completely and feel comfortable and know I want to spend my entire life with her, my last relationship was 9 years, we were friends before that, the one before that was 6 years, also friends before. So, no, there really is no rules for making the \"perfect relationship\". My \"one night stand\" turned into the woman im going to spend my life with. Seems others have pointed this out as well. This is projection", ">\n\nMy friend found his first girlfriend on Tindr and she was an abusive narcassist (he left her thank god)\nI was a platonic friend with my bf for 3 years before dating him, and we love each other so fucking much", ">\n\nGood for you!\nNonetheless, all scenarios exist around the same percentage:\n- starting as friends becoming good romantic\n- starting as friends and not being good romantic partners\n- starting as a date/lust and becoming good romantically\n- starting as a date/lust and it does not work out", ">\n\nNot the same percentage, OP is right that you'll find a fulfilling relationship more often in person and starting off as friends.", ">\n\nNot that I don’t believe you, but do you have a source?\nThe best relationships I know are from people in the middle: dating, never knew (or interacted with) each other but taking it slow. People who jump too quickly end up fighting, and the people who were friends for so long do manage, but at the end it seems they do divorce because the spark is gone\nAgain, got no proof for that. Just what it seems", ">\n\nYou're asking me for sauce and yet you have failed to provide sauce yourself for your claim that all relationship types are equally occuring. You can only make a subjetive opinion on the matter and our views will be completely different because experiences are uniaue to the individual.\nPeople who enter marriages quickly end up leaving soon because they failed to know each other better. But instead of dating, they could've literally been friends for a long time and that qualifies for 'getting to know each other' and so jumping into marriage might end up being long term. I guess its dofferent for everyone, but I always wanted to meet my partner in real life either at study or work because I know we would be similar on those grounds. I did and I'm happy, and I'm happy because I got to know him more in the safe friendzone. It was a slow process but it was worth it." ]
> I think it kinda boils down to the question, what was first, egg or chicken. You won't have full romantic relationship without sex and the same goes for lust based ones only. This is bit of a myth that you can grow yourself a partner, especially after teenage phase, so you either hit or not into someone compatible making it a luck game, requiring lot of volume to get some points. You can start with passionate sex and just score the best partner in the world or you can start with friendship and never make it till some phase.
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).", ">\n\nIf you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. \nA romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail", ">\n\nI met my wife in a bar. I was drunk as shit and my pickup line was \"You're cute, wanna make out?\"\nShe said \"hell no\", but I talked to her again the next day when I was sober and we hit it off instantly. \nI think the best relationships just don't involve the games, or one person chasing until the other finally settles and gives in.", ">\n\nThis is at least plausible. I agree that the strongest romantic relationships contain an element of robust friendship, but I'm not sure that you need to START like this first. It's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.", ">\n\n\nIt's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.\n\nI really think this is what happened between my wife and I. We met online gaming in 2000. That doesn't sound revolutinary by today's standards but then it was. We talked more and more and it just kind of developed that we were friends, then it moved to RL and not just games. We became best friends and lovers all at the same time. Been together ever since.", ">\n\n\nWe met online gaming in 2000. Been together ever since.\n\nDon't give redditors too much hope..\njk congrats!", ">\n\nLOL. It was a text based online trivia game. No photos no voice. Just text. You really get to know someone that way. No distractions.", ">\n\nAgreeable. I wouldnt say \"The strongest romantic relationships\" HAVE to start that way, but the ones that do tend to be strong romantic relationships.", ">\n\nI think you’re projecting. My 25 years-and-counting relationship with my wife started out on a foundation of raw, animalistic lust.", ">\n\nBut on the other hand there are plenty of people that are best friends, try to date and realize they have no romantic thing, and afterwards it's getting weird etc. \nYou need a romantic and friendship-base, if you want to stay happy togehter. But what comes first is basically irrelevant.", ">\n\nThat’s great since every time I’ve caught feelings for a friend I also lost them as a friend", ">\n\nThe trick is to not stare at them intently for too long at a time", ">\n\nPeople struggle with dating because of these types of opinions. There is no one way to develop a good relationship, there are many. And one way that works for some people can be the exact reason it fails for others. It depends on everyone involved.", ">\n\nTotally agree, I was friends with my wife for 2 years before we began dating. We will be having our 15th wedding anniversary in a couple weeks.", ">\n\nCongratulations! Yay for best friends!!", ">\n\nI sorta disagree, from personal experience.\nWhen I dated someone who I'd been friends with for years, it didn't turn out well. Yeah sure, I knew the bad and good things about them. But that's a double edged sword, because they figured that I would 'be okay with' the same things now that we were in a relationship. There was nothing new for me to learn about him and no bonding experiences that could help us know each other deeper/better, because we already knew each other incredibly well. He wouldn't shut up about his ex before or during our relationship. I gave him an ultimatum and he only continued. I broke up with him and then became an ex he won't shut up about. \nHowever, when I met my current long distance partner, we only knew each other a month before getting together, as there was relatively quick mutual attraction. Our relationship is now 5 years strong and learning new things about them is/has been a bonding experience that I didn't have with the aforementioned ex of mine.\nSo, I think this isn't true in all cases.", ">\n\nI think you don't mean the strongest but safest. All of the things you mentioned are found in long term partners of dating apps and such as well, but of course they also might not be.\nWhat you're describing is every long term relationship. The trust building, the friendship. And yes you don't always find that on dating apps vs being friends first. But dating apps offer you a large pool to chose from which is generally much larger than your friend group.\nBut you also have to remember the downsides of dating a friend too. If it doesn't work out what happens to your friendship or friend group? Were you just friends to get close enough to date because that's kinda shitty. Not to mention it's hard to know if they're actually like you or don't want to lose a friend so go along with it.", ">\n\nNot for me, I've been with A LOT of people, I've dated a few as well. My current gf and future wife met when she came into my shop to get piercings done with her friends, she called the shop afterwards and we had sex the next day. We have been dating ever since ( 3 years ) and she Is the first woman I trust completely and feel comfortable and know I want to spend my entire life with her, my last relationship was 9 years, we were friends before that, the one before that was 6 years, also friends before. So, no, there really is no rules for making the \"perfect relationship\". My \"one night stand\" turned into the woman im going to spend my life with. Seems others have pointed this out as well. This is projection", ">\n\nMy friend found his first girlfriend on Tindr and she was an abusive narcassist (he left her thank god)\nI was a platonic friend with my bf for 3 years before dating him, and we love each other so fucking much", ">\n\nGood for you!\nNonetheless, all scenarios exist around the same percentage:\n- starting as friends becoming good romantic\n- starting as friends and not being good romantic partners\n- starting as a date/lust and becoming good romantically\n- starting as a date/lust and it does not work out", ">\n\nNot the same percentage, OP is right that you'll find a fulfilling relationship more often in person and starting off as friends.", ">\n\nNot that I don’t believe you, but do you have a source?\nThe best relationships I know are from people in the middle: dating, never knew (or interacted with) each other but taking it slow. People who jump too quickly end up fighting, and the people who were friends for so long do manage, but at the end it seems they do divorce because the spark is gone\nAgain, got no proof for that. Just what it seems", ">\n\nYou're asking me for sauce and yet you have failed to provide sauce yourself for your claim that all relationship types are equally occuring. You can only make a subjetive opinion on the matter and our views will be completely different because experiences are uniaue to the individual.\nPeople who enter marriages quickly end up leaving soon because they failed to know each other better. But instead of dating, they could've literally been friends for a long time and that qualifies for 'getting to know each other' and so jumping into marriage might end up being long term. I guess its dofferent for everyone, but I always wanted to meet my partner in real life either at study or work because I know we would be similar on those grounds. I did and I'm happy, and I'm happy because I got to know him more in the safe friendzone. It was a slow process but it was worth it.", ">\n\nI somewhat agree, but not everyone is lucky enough to have or can stay in social circles where you find your s/o." ]
> Is their proof because my evidence says every time u do that she cheats and you lose a good friend
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).", ">\n\nIf you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. \nA romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail", ">\n\nI met my wife in a bar. I was drunk as shit and my pickup line was \"You're cute, wanna make out?\"\nShe said \"hell no\", but I talked to her again the next day when I was sober and we hit it off instantly. \nI think the best relationships just don't involve the games, or one person chasing until the other finally settles and gives in.", ">\n\nThis is at least plausible. I agree that the strongest romantic relationships contain an element of robust friendship, but I'm not sure that you need to START like this first. It's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.", ">\n\n\nIt's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.\n\nI really think this is what happened between my wife and I. We met online gaming in 2000. That doesn't sound revolutinary by today's standards but then it was. We talked more and more and it just kind of developed that we were friends, then it moved to RL and not just games. We became best friends and lovers all at the same time. Been together ever since.", ">\n\n\nWe met online gaming in 2000. Been together ever since.\n\nDon't give redditors too much hope..\njk congrats!", ">\n\nLOL. It was a text based online trivia game. No photos no voice. Just text. You really get to know someone that way. No distractions.", ">\n\nAgreeable. I wouldnt say \"The strongest romantic relationships\" HAVE to start that way, but the ones that do tend to be strong romantic relationships.", ">\n\nI think you’re projecting. My 25 years-and-counting relationship with my wife started out on a foundation of raw, animalistic lust.", ">\n\nBut on the other hand there are plenty of people that are best friends, try to date and realize they have no romantic thing, and afterwards it's getting weird etc. \nYou need a romantic and friendship-base, if you want to stay happy togehter. But what comes first is basically irrelevant.", ">\n\nThat’s great since every time I’ve caught feelings for a friend I also lost them as a friend", ">\n\nThe trick is to not stare at them intently for too long at a time", ">\n\nPeople struggle with dating because of these types of opinions. There is no one way to develop a good relationship, there are many. And one way that works for some people can be the exact reason it fails for others. It depends on everyone involved.", ">\n\nTotally agree, I was friends with my wife for 2 years before we began dating. We will be having our 15th wedding anniversary in a couple weeks.", ">\n\nCongratulations! Yay for best friends!!", ">\n\nI sorta disagree, from personal experience.\nWhen I dated someone who I'd been friends with for years, it didn't turn out well. Yeah sure, I knew the bad and good things about them. But that's a double edged sword, because they figured that I would 'be okay with' the same things now that we were in a relationship. There was nothing new for me to learn about him and no bonding experiences that could help us know each other deeper/better, because we already knew each other incredibly well. He wouldn't shut up about his ex before or during our relationship. I gave him an ultimatum and he only continued. I broke up with him and then became an ex he won't shut up about. \nHowever, when I met my current long distance partner, we only knew each other a month before getting together, as there was relatively quick mutual attraction. Our relationship is now 5 years strong and learning new things about them is/has been a bonding experience that I didn't have with the aforementioned ex of mine.\nSo, I think this isn't true in all cases.", ">\n\nI think you don't mean the strongest but safest. All of the things you mentioned are found in long term partners of dating apps and such as well, but of course they also might not be.\nWhat you're describing is every long term relationship. The trust building, the friendship. And yes you don't always find that on dating apps vs being friends first. But dating apps offer you a large pool to chose from which is generally much larger than your friend group.\nBut you also have to remember the downsides of dating a friend too. If it doesn't work out what happens to your friendship or friend group? Were you just friends to get close enough to date because that's kinda shitty. Not to mention it's hard to know if they're actually like you or don't want to lose a friend so go along with it.", ">\n\nNot for me, I've been with A LOT of people, I've dated a few as well. My current gf and future wife met when she came into my shop to get piercings done with her friends, she called the shop afterwards and we had sex the next day. We have been dating ever since ( 3 years ) and she Is the first woman I trust completely and feel comfortable and know I want to spend my entire life with her, my last relationship was 9 years, we were friends before that, the one before that was 6 years, also friends before. So, no, there really is no rules for making the \"perfect relationship\". My \"one night stand\" turned into the woman im going to spend my life with. Seems others have pointed this out as well. This is projection", ">\n\nMy friend found his first girlfriend on Tindr and she was an abusive narcassist (he left her thank god)\nI was a platonic friend with my bf for 3 years before dating him, and we love each other so fucking much", ">\n\nGood for you!\nNonetheless, all scenarios exist around the same percentage:\n- starting as friends becoming good romantic\n- starting as friends and not being good romantic partners\n- starting as a date/lust and becoming good romantically\n- starting as a date/lust and it does not work out", ">\n\nNot the same percentage, OP is right that you'll find a fulfilling relationship more often in person and starting off as friends.", ">\n\nNot that I don’t believe you, but do you have a source?\nThe best relationships I know are from people in the middle: dating, never knew (or interacted with) each other but taking it slow. People who jump too quickly end up fighting, and the people who were friends for so long do manage, but at the end it seems they do divorce because the spark is gone\nAgain, got no proof for that. Just what it seems", ">\n\nYou're asking me for sauce and yet you have failed to provide sauce yourself for your claim that all relationship types are equally occuring. You can only make a subjetive opinion on the matter and our views will be completely different because experiences are uniaue to the individual.\nPeople who enter marriages quickly end up leaving soon because they failed to know each other better. But instead of dating, they could've literally been friends for a long time and that qualifies for 'getting to know each other' and so jumping into marriage might end up being long term. I guess its dofferent for everyone, but I always wanted to meet my partner in real life either at study or work because I know we would be similar on those grounds. I did and I'm happy, and I'm happy because I got to know him more in the safe friendzone. It was a slow process but it was worth it.", ">\n\nI somewhat agree, but not everyone is lucky enough to have or can stay in social circles where you find your s/o.", ">\n\nI think it kinda boils down to the question, what was first, egg or chicken. You won't have full romantic relationship without sex and the same goes for lust based ones only.\nThis is bit of a myth that you can grow yourself a partner, especially after teenage phase, so you either hit or not into someone compatible making it a luck game, requiring lot of volume to get some points. You can start with passionate sex and just score the best partner in the world or you can start with friendship and never make it till some phase." ]
> I actually don't think this is as unpopular as you might think. I think at least some people looking for a steamy romance are not necessarily thinking about a life partner, which is totally ok. In the context of looking for a life partner, this seems pretty common. That said, there are some cases where I'd strongly disagree. Dating allows you to filter people out who have definite life incompatibilities with you. Falling for your friends is great if your friend is compatible with you, but sometimes they're not. I've fallen in love with two close friends, neither who I ever would have gone on a date with (both of them fell for me back). In the end, the friendships turned toxic and fell apart because we wanted things from each other that we actually weren't willing to give, given what we wanted from life. I've honestly had much better luck falling in lust with someone, hanging out with them to see if we're baseline compatible, if not long term, and going from there. This isn't like a one-size-fits-all, but there are definite reasons to date strangers.
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).", ">\n\nIf you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. \nA romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail", ">\n\nI met my wife in a bar. I was drunk as shit and my pickup line was \"You're cute, wanna make out?\"\nShe said \"hell no\", but I talked to her again the next day when I was sober and we hit it off instantly. \nI think the best relationships just don't involve the games, or one person chasing until the other finally settles and gives in.", ">\n\nThis is at least plausible. I agree that the strongest romantic relationships contain an element of robust friendship, but I'm not sure that you need to START like this first. It's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.", ">\n\n\nIt's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.\n\nI really think this is what happened between my wife and I. We met online gaming in 2000. That doesn't sound revolutinary by today's standards but then it was. We talked more and more and it just kind of developed that we were friends, then it moved to RL and not just games. We became best friends and lovers all at the same time. Been together ever since.", ">\n\n\nWe met online gaming in 2000. Been together ever since.\n\nDon't give redditors too much hope..\njk congrats!", ">\n\nLOL. It was a text based online trivia game. No photos no voice. Just text. You really get to know someone that way. No distractions.", ">\n\nAgreeable. I wouldnt say \"The strongest romantic relationships\" HAVE to start that way, but the ones that do tend to be strong romantic relationships.", ">\n\nI think you’re projecting. My 25 years-and-counting relationship with my wife started out on a foundation of raw, animalistic lust.", ">\n\nBut on the other hand there are plenty of people that are best friends, try to date and realize they have no romantic thing, and afterwards it's getting weird etc. \nYou need a romantic and friendship-base, if you want to stay happy togehter. But what comes first is basically irrelevant.", ">\n\nThat’s great since every time I’ve caught feelings for a friend I also lost them as a friend", ">\n\nThe trick is to not stare at them intently for too long at a time", ">\n\nPeople struggle with dating because of these types of opinions. There is no one way to develop a good relationship, there are many. And one way that works for some people can be the exact reason it fails for others. It depends on everyone involved.", ">\n\nTotally agree, I was friends with my wife for 2 years before we began dating. We will be having our 15th wedding anniversary in a couple weeks.", ">\n\nCongratulations! Yay for best friends!!", ">\n\nI sorta disagree, from personal experience.\nWhen I dated someone who I'd been friends with for years, it didn't turn out well. Yeah sure, I knew the bad and good things about them. But that's a double edged sword, because they figured that I would 'be okay with' the same things now that we were in a relationship. There was nothing new for me to learn about him and no bonding experiences that could help us know each other deeper/better, because we already knew each other incredibly well. He wouldn't shut up about his ex before or during our relationship. I gave him an ultimatum and he only continued. I broke up with him and then became an ex he won't shut up about. \nHowever, when I met my current long distance partner, we only knew each other a month before getting together, as there was relatively quick mutual attraction. Our relationship is now 5 years strong and learning new things about them is/has been a bonding experience that I didn't have with the aforementioned ex of mine.\nSo, I think this isn't true in all cases.", ">\n\nI think you don't mean the strongest but safest. All of the things you mentioned are found in long term partners of dating apps and such as well, but of course they also might not be.\nWhat you're describing is every long term relationship. The trust building, the friendship. And yes you don't always find that on dating apps vs being friends first. But dating apps offer you a large pool to chose from which is generally much larger than your friend group.\nBut you also have to remember the downsides of dating a friend too. If it doesn't work out what happens to your friendship or friend group? Were you just friends to get close enough to date because that's kinda shitty. Not to mention it's hard to know if they're actually like you or don't want to lose a friend so go along with it.", ">\n\nNot for me, I've been with A LOT of people, I've dated a few as well. My current gf and future wife met when she came into my shop to get piercings done with her friends, she called the shop afterwards and we had sex the next day. We have been dating ever since ( 3 years ) and she Is the first woman I trust completely and feel comfortable and know I want to spend my entire life with her, my last relationship was 9 years, we were friends before that, the one before that was 6 years, also friends before. So, no, there really is no rules for making the \"perfect relationship\". My \"one night stand\" turned into the woman im going to spend my life with. Seems others have pointed this out as well. This is projection", ">\n\nMy friend found his first girlfriend on Tindr and she was an abusive narcassist (he left her thank god)\nI was a platonic friend with my bf for 3 years before dating him, and we love each other so fucking much", ">\n\nGood for you!\nNonetheless, all scenarios exist around the same percentage:\n- starting as friends becoming good romantic\n- starting as friends and not being good romantic partners\n- starting as a date/lust and becoming good romantically\n- starting as a date/lust and it does not work out", ">\n\nNot the same percentage, OP is right that you'll find a fulfilling relationship more often in person and starting off as friends.", ">\n\nNot that I don’t believe you, but do you have a source?\nThe best relationships I know are from people in the middle: dating, never knew (or interacted with) each other but taking it slow. People who jump too quickly end up fighting, and the people who were friends for so long do manage, but at the end it seems they do divorce because the spark is gone\nAgain, got no proof for that. Just what it seems", ">\n\nYou're asking me for sauce and yet you have failed to provide sauce yourself for your claim that all relationship types are equally occuring. You can only make a subjetive opinion on the matter and our views will be completely different because experiences are uniaue to the individual.\nPeople who enter marriages quickly end up leaving soon because they failed to know each other better. But instead of dating, they could've literally been friends for a long time and that qualifies for 'getting to know each other' and so jumping into marriage might end up being long term. I guess its dofferent for everyone, but I always wanted to meet my partner in real life either at study or work because I know we would be similar on those grounds. I did and I'm happy, and I'm happy because I got to know him more in the safe friendzone. It was a slow process but it was worth it.", ">\n\nI somewhat agree, but not everyone is lucky enough to have or can stay in social circles where you find your s/o.", ">\n\nI think it kinda boils down to the question, what was first, egg or chicken. You won't have full romantic relationship without sex and the same goes for lust based ones only.\nThis is bit of a myth that you can grow yourself a partner, especially after teenage phase, so you either hit or not into someone compatible making it a luck game, requiring lot of volume to get some points. You can start with passionate sex and just score the best partner in the world or you can start with friendship and never make it till some phase.", ">\n\nIs their proof because my evidence says every time u do that she cheats and you lose a good friend" ]
> I’m in a 5 year relationship with someone who I was friends with. I knew him for like ten years now. I do disagree tho, we definitely had a honeymoon phase
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).", ">\n\nIf you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. \nA romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail", ">\n\nI met my wife in a bar. I was drunk as shit and my pickup line was \"You're cute, wanna make out?\"\nShe said \"hell no\", but I talked to her again the next day when I was sober and we hit it off instantly. \nI think the best relationships just don't involve the games, or one person chasing until the other finally settles and gives in.", ">\n\nThis is at least plausible. I agree that the strongest romantic relationships contain an element of robust friendship, but I'm not sure that you need to START like this first. It's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.", ">\n\n\nIt's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.\n\nI really think this is what happened between my wife and I. We met online gaming in 2000. That doesn't sound revolutinary by today's standards but then it was. We talked more and more and it just kind of developed that we were friends, then it moved to RL and not just games. We became best friends and lovers all at the same time. Been together ever since.", ">\n\n\nWe met online gaming in 2000. Been together ever since.\n\nDon't give redditors too much hope..\njk congrats!", ">\n\nLOL. It was a text based online trivia game. No photos no voice. Just text. You really get to know someone that way. No distractions.", ">\n\nAgreeable. I wouldnt say \"The strongest romantic relationships\" HAVE to start that way, but the ones that do tend to be strong romantic relationships.", ">\n\nI think you’re projecting. My 25 years-and-counting relationship with my wife started out on a foundation of raw, animalistic lust.", ">\n\nBut on the other hand there are plenty of people that are best friends, try to date and realize they have no romantic thing, and afterwards it's getting weird etc. \nYou need a romantic and friendship-base, if you want to stay happy togehter. But what comes first is basically irrelevant.", ">\n\nThat’s great since every time I’ve caught feelings for a friend I also lost them as a friend", ">\n\nThe trick is to not stare at them intently for too long at a time", ">\n\nPeople struggle with dating because of these types of opinions. There is no one way to develop a good relationship, there are many. And one way that works for some people can be the exact reason it fails for others. It depends on everyone involved.", ">\n\nTotally agree, I was friends with my wife for 2 years before we began dating. We will be having our 15th wedding anniversary in a couple weeks.", ">\n\nCongratulations! Yay for best friends!!", ">\n\nI sorta disagree, from personal experience.\nWhen I dated someone who I'd been friends with for years, it didn't turn out well. Yeah sure, I knew the bad and good things about them. But that's a double edged sword, because they figured that I would 'be okay with' the same things now that we were in a relationship. There was nothing new for me to learn about him and no bonding experiences that could help us know each other deeper/better, because we already knew each other incredibly well. He wouldn't shut up about his ex before or during our relationship. I gave him an ultimatum and he only continued. I broke up with him and then became an ex he won't shut up about. \nHowever, when I met my current long distance partner, we only knew each other a month before getting together, as there was relatively quick mutual attraction. Our relationship is now 5 years strong and learning new things about them is/has been a bonding experience that I didn't have with the aforementioned ex of mine.\nSo, I think this isn't true in all cases.", ">\n\nI think you don't mean the strongest but safest. All of the things you mentioned are found in long term partners of dating apps and such as well, but of course they also might not be.\nWhat you're describing is every long term relationship. The trust building, the friendship. And yes you don't always find that on dating apps vs being friends first. But dating apps offer you a large pool to chose from which is generally much larger than your friend group.\nBut you also have to remember the downsides of dating a friend too. If it doesn't work out what happens to your friendship or friend group? Were you just friends to get close enough to date because that's kinda shitty. Not to mention it's hard to know if they're actually like you or don't want to lose a friend so go along with it.", ">\n\nNot for me, I've been with A LOT of people, I've dated a few as well. My current gf and future wife met when she came into my shop to get piercings done with her friends, she called the shop afterwards and we had sex the next day. We have been dating ever since ( 3 years ) and she Is the first woman I trust completely and feel comfortable and know I want to spend my entire life with her, my last relationship was 9 years, we were friends before that, the one before that was 6 years, also friends before. So, no, there really is no rules for making the \"perfect relationship\". My \"one night stand\" turned into the woman im going to spend my life with. Seems others have pointed this out as well. This is projection", ">\n\nMy friend found his first girlfriend on Tindr and she was an abusive narcassist (he left her thank god)\nI was a platonic friend with my bf for 3 years before dating him, and we love each other so fucking much", ">\n\nGood for you!\nNonetheless, all scenarios exist around the same percentage:\n- starting as friends becoming good romantic\n- starting as friends and not being good romantic partners\n- starting as a date/lust and becoming good romantically\n- starting as a date/lust and it does not work out", ">\n\nNot the same percentage, OP is right that you'll find a fulfilling relationship more often in person and starting off as friends.", ">\n\nNot that I don’t believe you, but do you have a source?\nThe best relationships I know are from people in the middle: dating, never knew (or interacted with) each other but taking it slow. People who jump too quickly end up fighting, and the people who were friends for so long do manage, but at the end it seems they do divorce because the spark is gone\nAgain, got no proof for that. Just what it seems", ">\n\nYou're asking me for sauce and yet you have failed to provide sauce yourself for your claim that all relationship types are equally occuring. You can only make a subjetive opinion on the matter and our views will be completely different because experiences are uniaue to the individual.\nPeople who enter marriages quickly end up leaving soon because they failed to know each other better. But instead of dating, they could've literally been friends for a long time and that qualifies for 'getting to know each other' and so jumping into marriage might end up being long term. I guess its dofferent for everyone, but I always wanted to meet my partner in real life either at study or work because I know we would be similar on those grounds. I did and I'm happy, and I'm happy because I got to know him more in the safe friendzone. It was a slow process but it was worth it.", ">\n\nI somewhat agree, but not everyone is lucky enough to have or can stay in social circles where you find your s/o.", ">\n\nI think it kinda boils down to the question, what was first, egg or chicken. You won't have full romantic relationship without sex and the same goes for lust based ones only.\nThis is bit of a myth that you can grow yourself a partner, especially after teenage phase, so you either hit or not into someone compatible making it a luck game, requiring lot of volume to get some points. You can start with passionate sex and just score the best partner in the world or you can start with friendship and never make it till some phase.", ">\n\nIs their proof because my evidence says every time u do that she cheats and you lose a good friend", ">\n\nI actually don't think this is as unpopular as you might think. I think at least some people looking for a steamy romance are not necessarily thinking about a life partner, which is totally ok. In the context of looking for a life partner, this seems pretty common.\nThat said, there are some cases where I'd strongly disagree. Dating allows you to filter people out who have definite life incompatibilities with you. Falling for your friends is great if your friend is compatible with you, but sometimes they're not. I've fallen in love with two close friends, neither who I ever would have gone on a date with (both of them fell for me back). In the end, the friendships turned toxic and fell apart because we wanted things from each other that we actually weren't willing to give, given what we wanted from life. I've honestly had much better luck falling in lust with someone, hanging out with them to see if we're baseline compatible, if not long term, and going from there. This isn't like a one-size-fits-all, but there are definite reasons to date strangers." ]
> No. This type of shit is what leads mfs that you just want to be friends with to have some false ass hope for the future. I hate this and if someone just wants to be friends they just want to be friends. I'm not saying it never happens but 9/10 if you don't see them that way..... you never will
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).", ">\n\nIf you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. \nA romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail", ">\n\nI met my wife in a bar. I was drunk as shit and my pickup line was \"You're cute, wanna make out?\"\nShe said \"hell no\", but I talked to her again the next day when I was sober and we hit it off instantly. \nI think the best relationships just don't involve the games, or one person chasing until the other finally settles and gives in.", ">\n\nThis is at least plausible. I agree that the strongest romantic relationships contain an element of robust friendship, but I'm not sure that you need to START like this first. It's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.", ">\n\n\nIt's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.\n\nI really think this is what happened between my wife and I. We met online gaming in 2000. That doesn't sound revolutinary by today's standards but then it was. We talked more and more and it just kind of developed that we were friends, then it moved to RL and not just games. We became best friends and lovers all at the same time. Been together ever since.", ">\n\n\nWe met online gaming in 2000. Been together ever since.\n\nDon't give redditors too much hope..\njk congrats!", ">\n\nLOL. It was a text based online trivia game. No photos no voice. Just text. You really get to know someone that way. No distractions.", ">\n\nAgreeable. I wouldnt say \"The strongest romantic relationships\" HAVE to start that way, but the ones that do tend to be strong romantic relationships.", ">\n\nI think you’re projecting. My 25 years-and-counting relationship with my wife started out on a foundation of raw, animalistic lust.", ">\n\nBut on the other hand there are plenty of people that are best friends, try to date and realize they have no romantic thing, and afterwards it's getting weird etc. \nYou need a romantic and friendship-base, if you want to stay happy togehter. But what comes first is basically irrelevant.", ">\n\nThat’s great since every time I’ve caught feelings for a friend I also lost them as a friend", ">\n\nThe trick is to not stare at them intently for too long at a time", ">\n\nPeople struggle with dating because of these types of opinions. There is no one way to develop a good relationship, there are many. And one way that works for some people can be the exact reason it fails for others. It depends on everyone involved.", ">\n\nTotally agree, I was friends with my wife for 2 years before we began dating. We will be having our 15th wedding anniversary in a couple weeks.", ">\n\nCongratulations! Yay for best friends!!", ">\n\nI sorta disagree, from personal experience.\nWhen I dated someone who I'd been friends with for years, it didn't turn out well. Yeah sure, I knew the bad and good things about them. But that's a double edged sword, because they figured that I would 'be okay with' the same things now that we were in a relationship. There was nothing new for me to learn about him and no bonding experiences that could help us know each other deeper/better, because we already knew each other incredibly well. He wouldn't shut up about his ex before or during our relationship. I gave him an ultimatum and he only continued. I broke up with him and then became an ex he won't shut up about. \nHowever, when I met my current long distance partner, we only knew each other a month before getting together, as there was relatively quick mutual attraction. Our relationship is now 5 years strong and learning new things about them is/has been a bonding experience that I didn't have with the aforementioned ex of mine.\nSo, I think this isn't true in all cases.", ">\n\nI think you don't mean the strongest but safest. All of the things you mentioned are found in long term partners of dating apps and such as well, but of course they also might not be.\nWhat you're describing is every long term relationship. The trust building, the friendship. And yes you don't always find that on dating apps vs being friends first. But dating apps offer you a large pool to chose from which is generally much larger than your friend group.\nBut you also have to remember the downsides of dating a friend too. If it doesn't work out what happens to your friendship or friend group? Were you just friends to get close enough to date because that's kinda shitty. Not to mention it's hard to know if they're actually like you or don't want to lose a friend so go along with it.", ">\n\nNot for me, I've been with A LOT of people, I've dated a few as well. My current gf and future wife met when she came into my shop to get piercings done with her friends, she called the shop afterwards and we had sex the next day. We have been dating ever since ( 3 years ) and she Is the first woman I trust completely and feel comfortable and know I want to spend my entire life with her, my last relationship was 9 years, we were friends before that, the one before that was 6 years, also friends before. So, no, there really is no rules for making the \"perfect relationship\". My \"one night stand\" turned into the woman im going to spend my life with. Seems others have pointed this out as well. This is projection", ">\n\nMy friend found his first girlfriend on Tindr and she was an abusive narcassist (he left her thank god)\nI was a platonic friend with my bf for 3 years before dating him, and we love each other so fucking much", ">\n\nGood for you!\nNonetheless, all scenarios exist around the same percentage:\n- starting as friends becoming good romantic\n- starting as friends and not being good romantic partners\n- starting as a date/lust and becoming good romantically\n- starting as a date/lust and it does not work out", ">\n\nNot the same percentage, OP is right that you'll find a fulfilling relationship more often in person and starting off as friends.", ">\n\nNot that I don’t believe you, but do you have a source?\nThe best relationships I know are from people in the middle: dating, never knew (or interacted with) each other but taking it slow. People who jump too quickly end up fighting, and the people who were friends for so long do manage, but at the end it seems they do divorce because the spark is gone\nAgain, got no proof for that. Just what it seems", ">\n\nYou're asking me for sauce and yet you have failed to provide sauce yourself for your claim that all relationship types are equally occuring. You can only make a subjetive opinion on the matter and our views will be completely different because experiences are uniaue to the individual.\nPeople who enter marriages quickly end up leaving soon because they failed to know each other better. But instead of dating, they could've literally been friends for a long time and that qualifies for 'getting to know each other' and so jumping into marriage might end up being long term. I guess its dofferent for everyone, but I always wanted to meet my partner in real life either at study or work because I know we would be similar on those grounds. I did and I'm happy, and I'm happy because I got to know him more in the safe friendzone. It was a slow process but it was worth it.", ">\n\nI somewhat agree, but not everyone is lucky enough to have or can stay in social circles where you find your s/o.", ">\n\nI think it kinda boils down to the question, what was first, egg or chicken. You won't have full romantic relationship without sex and the same goes for lust based ones only.\nThis is bit of a myth that you can grow yourself a partner, especially after teenage phase, so you either hit or not into someone compatible making it a luck game, requiring lot of volume to get some points. You can start with passionate sex and just score the best partner in the world or you can start with friendship and never make it till some phase.", ">\n\nIs their proof because my evidence says every time u do that she cheats and you lose a good friend", ">\n\nI actually don't think this is as unpopular as you might think. I think at least some people looking for a steamy romance are not necessarily thinking about a life partner, which is totally ok. In the context of looking for a life partner, this seems pretty common.\nThat said, there are some cases where I'd strongly disagree. Dating allows you to filter people out who have definite life incompatibilities with you. Falling for your friends is great if your friend is compatible with you, but sometimes they're not. I've fallen in love with two close friends, neither who I ever would have gone on a date with (both of them fell for me back). In the end, the friendships turned toxic and fell apart because we wanted things from each other that we actually weren't willing to give, given what we wanted from life. I've honestly had much better luck falling in lust with someone, hanging out with them to see if we're baseline compatible, if not long term, and going from there. This isn't like a one-size-fits-all, but there are definite reasons to date strangers.", ">\n\nI’m in a 5 year relationship with someone who I was friends with. I knew him for like ten years now. I do disagree tho, we definitely had a honeymoon phase" ]
> I started dating my now wife after we were friends for four years. Sparks are overrated.
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).", ">\n\nIf you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. \nA romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail", ">\n\nI met my wife in a bar. I was drunk as shit and my pickup line was \"You're cute, wanna make out?\"\nShe said \"hell no\", but I talked to her again the next day when I was sober and we hit it off instantly. \nI think the best relationships just don't involve the games, or one person chasing until the other finally settles and gives in.", ">\n\nThis is at least plausible. I agree that the strongest romantic relationships contain an element of robust friendship, but I'm not sure that you need to START like this first. It's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.", ">\n\n\nIt's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.\n\nI really think this is what happened between my wife and I. We met online gaming in 2000. That doesn't sound revolutinary by today's standards but then it was. We talked more and more and it just kind of developed that we were friends, then it moved to RL and not just games. We became best friends and lovers all at the same time. Been together ever since.", ">\n\n\nWe met online gaming in 2000. Been together ever since.\n\nDon't give redditors too much hope..\njk congrats!", ">\n\nLOL. It was a text based online trivia game. No photos no voice. Just text. You really get to know someone that way. No distractions.", ">\n\nAgreeable. I wouldnt say \"The strongest romantic relationships\" HAVE to start that way, but the ones that do tend to be strong romantic relationships.", ">\n\nI think you’re projecting. My 25 years-and-counting relationship with my wife started out on a foundation of raw, animalistic lust.", ">\n\nBut on the other hand there are plenty of people that are best friends, try to date and realize they have no romantic thing, and afterwards it's getting weird etc. \nYou need a romantic and friendship-base, if you want to stay happy togehter. But what comes first is basically irrelevant.", ">\n\nThat’s great since every time I’ve caught feelings for a friend I also lost them as a friend", ">\n\nThe trick is to not stare at them intently for too long at a time", ">\n\nPeople struggle with dating because of these types of opinions. There is no one way to develop a good relationship, there are many. And one way that works for some people can be the exact reason it fails for others. It depends on everyone involved.", ">\n\nTotally agree, I was friends with my wife for 2 years before we began dating. We will be having our 15th wedding anniversary in a couple weeks.", ">\n\nCongratulations! Yay for best friends!!", ">\n\nI sorta disagree, from personal experience.\nWhen I dated someone who I'd been friends with for years, it didn't turn out well. Yeah sure, I knew the bad and good things about them. But that's a double edged sword, because they figured that I would 'be okay with' the same things now that we were in a relationship. There was nothing new for me to learn about him and no bonding experiences that could help us know each other deeper/better, because we already knew each other incredibly well. He wouldn't shut up about his ex before or during our relationship. I gave him an ultimatum and he only continued. I broke up with him and then became an ex he won't shut up about. \nHowever, when I met my current long distance partner, we only knew each other a month before getting together, as there was relatively quick mutual attraction. Our relationship is now 5 years strong and learning new things about them is/has been a bonding experience that I didn't have with the aforementioned ex of mine.\nSo, I think this isn't true in all cases.", ">\n\nI think you don't mean the strongest but safest. All of the things you mentioned are found in long term partners of dating apps and such as well, but of course they also might not be.\nWhat you're describing is every long term relationship. The trust building, the friendship. And yes you don't always find that on dating apps vs being friends first. But dating apps offer you a large pool to chose from which is generally much larger than your friend group.\nBut you also have to remember the downsides of dating a friend too. If it doesn't work out what happens to your friendship or friend group? Were you just friends to get close enough to date because that's kinda shitty. Not to mention it's hard to know if they're actually like you or don't want to lose a friend so go along with it.", ">\n\nNot for me, I've been with A LOT of people, I've dated a few as well. My current gf and future wife met when she came into my shop to get piercings done with her friends, she called the shop afterwards and we had sex the next day. We have been dating ever since ( 3 years ) and she Is the first woman I trust completely and feel comfortable and know I want to spend my entire life with her, my last relationship was 9 years, we were friends before that, the one before that was 6 years, also friends before. So, no, there really is no rules for making the \"perfect relationship\". My \"one night stand\" turned into the woman im going to spend my life with. Seems others have pointed this out as well. This is projection", ">\n\nMy friend found his first girlfriend on Tindr and she was an abusive narcassist (he left her thank god)\nI was a platonic friend with my bf for 3 years before dating him, and we love each other so fucking much", ">\n\nGood for you!\nNonetheless, all scenarios exist around the same percentage:\n- starting as friends becoming good romantic\n- starting as friends and not being good romantic partners\n- starting as a date/lust and becoming good romantically\n- starting as a date/lust and it does not work out", ">\n\nNot the same percentage, OP is right that you'll find a fulfilling relationship more often in person and starting off as friends.", ">\n\nNot that I don’t believe you, but do you have a source?\nThe best relationships I know are from people in the middle: dating, never knew (or interacted with) each other but taking it slow. People who jump too quickly end up fighting, and the people who were friends for so long do manage, but at the end it seems they do divorce because the spark is gone\nAgain, got no proof for that. Just what it seems", ">\n\nYou're asking me for sauce and yet you have failed to provide sauce yourself for your claim that all relationship types are equally occuring. You can only make a subjetive opinion on the matter and our views will be completely different because experiences are uniaue to the individual.\nPeople who enter marriages quickly end up leaving soon because they failed to know each other better. But instead of dating, they could've literally been friends for a long time and that qualifies for 'getting to know each other' and so jumping into marriage might end up being long term. I guess its dofferent for everyone, but I always wanted to meet my partner in real life either at study or work because I know we would be similar on those grounds. I did and I'm happy, and I'm happy because I got to know him more in the safe friendzone. It was a slow process but it was worth it.", ">\n\nI somewhat agree, but not everyone is lucky enough to have or can stay in social circles where you find your s/o.", ">\n\nI think it kinda boils down to the question, what was first, egg or chicken. You won't have full romantic relationship without sex and the same goes for lust based ones only.\nThis is bit of a myth that you can grow yourself a partner, especially after teenage phase, so you either hit or not into someone compatible making it a luck game, requiring lot of volume to get some points. You can start with passionate sex and just score the best partner in the world or you can start with friendship and never make it till some phase.", ">\n\nIs their proof because my evidence says every time u do that she cheats and you lose a good friend", ">\n\nI actually don't think this is as unpopular as you might think. I think at least some people looking for a steamy romance are not necessarily thinking about a life partner, which is totally ok. In the context of looking for a life partner, this seems pretty common.\nThat said, there are some cases where I'd strongly disagree. Dating allows you to filter people out who have definite life incompatibilities with you. Falling for your friends is great if your friend is compatible with you, but sometimes they're not. I've fallen in love with two close friends, neither who I ever would have gone on a date with (both of them fell for me back). In the end, the friendships turned toxic and fell apart because we wanted things from each other that we actually weren't willing to give, given what we wanted from life. I've honestly had much better luck falling in lust with someone, hanging out with them to see if we're baseline compatible, if not long term, and going from there. This isn't like a one-size-fits-all, but there are definite reasons to date strangers.", ">\n\nI’m in a 5 year relationship with someone who I was friends with. I knew him for like ten years now. I do disagree tho, we definitely had a honeymoon phase", ">\n\nNo. This type of shit is what leads mfs that you just want to be friends with to have some false ass hope for the future. I hate this and if someone just wants to be friends they just want to be friends. I'm not saying it never happens but 9/10 if you don't see them that way..... you never will" ]
> I wasn't looking for a relationship. Eventually it just happened.
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).", ">\n\nIf you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. \nA romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail", ">\n\nI met my wife in a bar. I was drunk as shit and my pickup line was \"You're cute, wanna make out?\"\nShe said \"hell no\", but I talked to her again the next day when I was sober and we hit it off instantly. \nI think the best relationships just don't involve the games, or one person chasing until the other finally settles and gives in.", ">\n\nThis is at least plausible. I agree that the strongest romantic relationships contain an element of robust friendship, but I'm not sure that you need to START like this first. It's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.", ">\n\n\nIt's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.\n\nI really think this is what happened between my wife and I. We met online gaming in 2000. That doesn't sound revolutinary by today's standards but then it was. We talked more and more and it just kind of developed that we were friends, then it moved to RL and not just games. We became best friends and lovers all at the same time. Been together ever since.", ">\n\n\nWe met online gaming in 2000. Been together ever since.\n\nDon't give redditors too much hope..\njk congrats!", ">\n\nLOL. It was a text based online trivia game. No photos no voice. Just text. You really get to know someone that way. No distractions.", ">\n\nAgreeable. I wouldnt say \"The strongest romantic relationships\" HAVE to start that way, but the ones that do tend to be strong romantic relationships.", ">\n\nI think you’re projecting. My 25 years-and-counting relationship with my wife started out on a foundation of raw, animalistic lust.", ">\n\nBut on the other hand there are plenty of people that are best friends, try to date and realize they have no romantic thing, and afterwards it's getting weird etc. \nYou need a romantic and friendship-base, if you want to stay happy togehter. But what comes first is basically irrelevant.", ">\n\nThat’s great since every time I’ve caught feelings for a friend I also lost them as a friend", ">\n\nThe trick is to not stare at them intently for too long at a time", ">\n\nPeople struggle with dating because of these types of opinions. There is no one way to develop a good relationship, there are many. And one way that works for some people can be the exact reason it fails for others. It depends on everyone involved.", ">\n\nTotally agree, I was friends with my wife for 2 years before we began dating. We will be having our 15th wedding anniversary in a couple weeks.", ">\n\nCongratulations! Yay for best friends!!", ">\n\nI sorta disagree, from personal experience.\nWhen I dated someone who I'd been friends with for years, it didn't turn out well. Yeah sure, I knew the bad and good things about them. But that's a double edged sword, because they figured that I would 'be okay with' the same things now that we were in a relationship. There was nothing new for me to learn about him and no bonding experiences that could help us know each other deeper/better, because we already knew each other incredibly well. He wouldn't shut up about his ex before or during our relationship. I gave him an ultimatum and he only continued. I broke up with him and then became an ex he won't shut up about. \nHowever, when I met my current long distance partner, we only knew each other a month before getting together, as there was relatively quick mutual attraction. Our relationship is now 5 years strong and learning new things about them is/has been a bonding experience that I didn't have with the aforementioned ex of mine.\nSo, I think this isn't true in all cases.", ">\n\nI think you don't mean the strongest but safest. All of the things you mentioned are found in long term partners of dating apps and such as well, but of course they also might not be.\nWhat you're describing is every long term relationship. The trust building, the friendship. And yes you don't always find that on dating apps vs being friends first. But dating apps offer you a large pool to chose from which is generally much larger than your friend group.\nBut you also have to remember the downsides of dating a friend too. If it doesn't work out what happens to your friendship or friend group? Were you just friends to get close enough to date because that's kinda shitty. Not to mention it's hard to know if they're actually like you or don't want to lose a friend so go along with it.", ">\n\nNot for me, I've been with A LOT of people, I've dated a few as well. My current gf and future wife met when she came into my shop to get piercings done with her friends, she called the shop afterwards and we had sex the next day. We have been dating ever since ( 3 years ) and she Is the first woman I trust completely and feel comfortable and know I want to spend my entire life with her, my last relationship was 9 years, we were friends before that, the one before that was 6 years, also friends before. So, no, there really is no rules for making the \"perfect relationship\". My \"one night stand\" turned into the woman im going to spend my life with. Seems others have pointed this out as well. This is projection", ">\n\nMy friend found his first girlfriend on Tindr and she was an abusive narcassist (he left her thank god)\nI was a platonic friend with my bf for 3 years before dating him, and we love each other so fucking much", ">\n\nGood for you!\nNonetheless, all scenarios exist around the same percentage:\n- starting as friends becoming good romantic\n- starting as friends and not being good romantic partners\n- starting as a date/lust and becoming good romantically\n- starting as a date/lust and it does not work out", ">\n\nNot the same percentage, OP is right that you'll find a fulfilling relationship more often in person and starting off as friends.", ">\n\nNot that I don’t believe you, but do you have a source?\nThe best relationships I know are from people in the middle: dating, never knew (or interacted with) each other but taking it slow. People who jump too quickly end up fighting, and the people who were friends for so long do manage, but at the end it seems they do divorce because the spark is gone\nAgain, got no proof for that. Just what it seems", ">\n\nYou're asking me for sauce and yet you have failed to provide sauce yourself for your claim that all relationship types are equally occuring. You can only make a subjetive opinion on the matter and our views will be completely different because experiences are uniaue to the individual.\nPeople who enter marriages quickly end up leaving soon because they failed to know each other better. But instead of dating, they could've literally been friends for a long time and that qualifies for 'getting to know each other' and so jumping into marriage might end up being long term. I guess its dofferent for everyone, but I always wanted to meet my partner in real life either at study or work because I know we would be similar on those grounds. I did and I'm happy, and I'm happy because I got to know him more in the safe friendzone. It was a slow process but it was worth it.", ">\n\nI somewhat agree, but not everyone is lucky enough to have or can stay in social circles where you find your s/o.", ">\n\nI think it kinda boils down to the question, what was first, egg or chicken. You won't have full romantic relationship without sex and the same goes for lust based ones only.\nThis is bit of a myth that you can grow yourself a partner, especially after teenage phase, so you either hit or not into someone compatible making it a luck game, requiring lot of volume to get some points. You can start with passionate sex and just score the best partner in the world or you can start with friendship and never make it till some phase.", ">\n\nIs their proof because my evidence says every time u do that she cheats and you lose a good friend", ">\n\nI actually don't think this is as unpopular as you might think. I think at least some people looking for a steamy romance are not necessarily thinking about a life partner, which is totally ok. In the context of looking for a life partner, this seems pretty common.\nThat said, there are some cases where I'd strongly disagree. Dating allows you to filter people out who have definite life incompatibilities with you. Falling for your friends is great if your friend is compatible with you, but sometimes they're not. I've fallen in love with two close friends, neither who I ever would have gone on a date with (both of them fell for me back). In the end, the friendships turned toxic and fell apart because we wanted things from each other that we actually weren't willing to give, given what we wanted from life. I've honestly had much better luck falling in lust with someone, hanging out with them to see if we're baseline compatible, if not long term, and going from there. This isn't like a one-size-fits-all, but there are definite reasons to date strangers.", ">\n\nI’m in a 5 year relationship with someone who I was friends with. I knew him for like ten years now. I do disagree tho, we definitely had a honeymoon phase", ">\n\nNo. This type of shit is what leads mfs that you just want to be friends with to have some false ass hope for the future. I hate this and if someone just wants to be friends they just want to be friends. I'm not saying it never happens but 9/10 if you don't see them that way..... you never will", ">\n\nI started dating my now wife after we were friends for four years. Sparks are overrated." ]
> I fell for my husband after being friends for seven months. I had no initial attraction to him, we were just in the same field in doctoral school and interacted a lot. I was actually in another relationship when I first met him. It wasn’t until we worked closely together and got to know each other on a deeper level months later that a spark started to form. After all those months, I suddenly felt such a deep attraction to him I couldn’t ignore it. All of my previous relationships were like that too. I have never felt instant attraction to any person. It always had to grow with time.
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).", ">\n\nIf you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. \nA romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail", ">\n\nI met my wife in a bar. I was drunk as shit and my pickup line was \"You're cute, wanna make out?\"\nShe said \"hell no\", but I talked to her again the next day when I was sober and we hit it off instantly. \nI think the best relationships just don't involve the games, or one person chasing until the other finally settles and gives in.", ">\n\nThis is at least plausible. I agree that the strongest romantic relationships contain an element of robust friendship, but I'm not sure that you need to START like this first. It's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.", ">\n\n\nIt's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.\n\nI really think this is what happened between my wife and I. We met online gaming in 2000. That doesn't sound revolutinary by today's standards but then it was. We talked more and more and it just kind of developed that we were friends, then it moved to RL and not just games. We became best friends and lovers all at the same time. Been together ever since.", ">\n\n\nWe met online gaming in 2000. Been together ever since.\n\nDon't give redditors too much hope..\njk congrats!", ">\n\nLOL. It was a text based online trivia game. No photos no voice. Just text. You really get to know someone that way. No distractions.", ">\n\nAgreeable. I wouldnt say \"The strongest romantic relationships\" HAVE to start that way, but the ones that do tend to be strong romantic relationships.", ">\n\nI think you’re projecting. My 25 years-and-counting relationship with my wife started out on a foundation of raw, animalistic lust.", ">\n\nBut on the other hand there are plenty of people that are best friends, try to date and realize they have no romantic thing, and afterwards it's getting weird etc. \nYou need a romantic and friendship-base, if you want to stay happy togehter. But what comes first is basically irrelevant.", ">\n\nThat’s great since every time I’ve caught feelings for a friend I also lost them as a friend", ">\n\nThe trick is to not stare at them intently for too long at a time", ">\n\nPeople struggle with dating because of these types of opinions. There is no one way to develop a good relationship, there are many. And one way that works for some people can be the exact reason it fails for others. It depends on everyone involved.", ">\n\nTotally agree, I was friends with my wife for 2 years before we began dating. We will be having our 15th wedding anniversary in a couple weeks.", ">\n\nCongratulations! Yay for best friends!!", ">\n\nI sorta disagree, from personal experience.\nWhen I dated someone who I'd been friends with for years, it didn't turn out well. Yeah sure, I knew the bad and good things about them. But that's a double edged sword, because they figured that I would 'be okay with' the same things now that we were in a relationship. There was nothing new for me to learn about him and no bonding experiences that could help us know each other deeper/better, because we already knew each other incredibly well. He wouldn't shut up about his ex before or during our relationship. I gave him an ultimatum and he only continued. I broke up with him and then became an ex he won't shut up about. \nHowever, when I met my current long distance partner, we only knew each other a month before getting together, as there was relatively quick mutual attraction. Our relationship is now 5 years strong and learning new things about them is/has been a bonding experience that I didn't have with the aforementioned ex of mine.\nSo, I think this isn't true in all cases.", ">\n\nI think you don't mean the strongest but safest. All of the things you mentioned are found in long term partners of dating apps and such as well, but of course they also might not be.\nWhat you're describing is every long term relationship. The trust building, the friendship. And yes you don't always find that on dating apps vs being friends first. But dating apps offer you a large pool to chose from which is generally much larger than your friend group.\nBut you also have to remember the downsides of dating a friend too. If it doesn't work out what happens to your friendship or friend group? Were you just friends to get close enough to date because that's kinda shitty. Not to mention it's hard to know if they're actually like you or don't want to lose a friend so go along with it.", ">\n\nNot for me, I've been with A LOT of people, I've dated a few as well. My current gf and future wife met when she came into my shop to get piercings done with her friends, she called the shop afterwards and we had sex the next day. We have been dating ever since ( 3 years ) and she Is the first woman I trust completely and feel comfortable and know I want to spend my entire life with her, my last relationship was 9 years, we were friends before that, the one before that was 6 years, also friends before. So, no, there really is no rules for making the \"perfect relationship\". My \"one night stand\" turned into the woman im going to spend my life with. Seems others have pointed this out as well. This is projection", ">\n\nMy friend found his first girlfriend on Tindr and she was an abusive narcassist (he left her thank god)\nI was a platonic friend with my bf for 3 years before dating him, and we love each other so fucking much", ">\n\nGood for you!\nNonetheless, all scenarios exist around the same percentage:\n- starting as friends becoming good romantic\n- starting as friends and not being good romantic partners\n- starting as a date/lust and becoming good romantically\n- starting as a date/lust and it does not work out", ">\n\nNot the same percentage, OP is right that you'll find a fulfilling relationship more often in person and starting off as friends.", ">\n\nNot that I don’t believe you, but do you have a source?\nThe best relationships I know are from people in the middle: dating, never knew (or interacted with) each other but taking it slow. People who jump too quickly end up fighting, and the people who were friends for so long do manage, but at the end it seems they do divorce because the spark is gone\nAgain, got no proof for that. Just what it seems", ">\n\nYou're asking me for sauce and yet you have failed to provide sauce yourself for your claim that all relationship types are equally occuring. You can only make a subjetive opinion on the matter and our views will be completely different because experiences are uniaue to the individual.\nPeople who enter marriages quickly end up leaving soon because they failed to know each other better. But instead of dating, they could've literally been friends for a long time and that qualifies for 'getting to know each other' and so jumping into marriage might end up being long term. I guess its dofferent for everyone, but I always wanted to meet my partner in real life either at study or work because I know we would be similar on those grounds. I did and I'm happy, and I'm happy because I got to know him more in the safe friendzone. It was a slow process but it was worth it.", ">\n\nI somewhat agree, but not everyone is lucky enough to have or can stay in social circles where you find your s/o.", ">\n\nI think it kinda boils down to the question, what was first, egg or chicken. You won't have full romantic relationship without sex and the same goes for lust based ones only.\nThis is bit of a myth that you can grow yourself a partner, especially after teenage phase, so you either hit or not into someone compatible making it a luck game, requiring lot of volume to get some points. You can start with passionate sex and just score the best partner in the world or you can start with friendship and never make it till some phase.", ">\n\nIs their proof because my evidence says every time u do that she cheats and you lose a good friend", ">\n\nI actually don't think this is as unpopular as you might think. I think at least some people looking for a steamy romance are not necessarily thinking about a life partner, which is totally ok. In the context of looking for a life partner, this seems pretty common.\nThat said, there are some cases where I'd strongly disagree. Dating allows you to filter people out who have definite life incompatibilities with you. Falling for your friends is great if your friend is compatible with you, but sometimes they're not. I've fallen in love with two close friends, neither who I ever would have gone on a date with (both of them fell for me back). In the end, the friendships turned toxic and fell apart because we wanted things from each other that we actually weren't willing to give, given what we wanted from life. I've honestly had much better luck falling in lust with someone, hanging out with them to see if we're baseline compatible, if not long term, and going from there. This isn't like a one-size-fits-all, but there are definite reasons to date strangers.", ">\n\nI’m in a 5 year relationship with someone who I was friends with. I knew him for like ten years now. I do disagree tho, we definitely had a honeymoon phase", ">\n\nNo. This type of shit is what leads mfs that you just want to be friends with to have some false ass hope for the future. I hate this and if someone just wants to be friends they just want to be friends. I'm not saying it never happens but 9/10 if you don't see them that way..... you never will", ">\n\nI started dating my now wife after we were friends for four years. Sparks are overrated.", ">\n\nI wasn't looking for a relationship. Eventually it just happened." ]
> That's how it worked out for me.
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).", ">\n\nIf you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. \nA romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail", ">\n\nI met my wife in a bar. I was drunk as shit and my pickup line was \"You're cute, wanna make out?\"\nShe said \"hell no\", but I talked to her again the next day when I was sober and we hit it off instantly. \nI think the best relationships just don't involve the games, or one person chasing until the other finally settles and gives in.", ">\n\nThis is at least plausible. I agree that the strongest romantic relationships contain an element of robust friendship, but I'm not sure that you need to START like this first. It's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.", ">\n\n\nIt's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.\n\nI really think this is what happened between my wife and I. We met online gaming in 2000. That doesn't sound revolutinary by today's standards but then it was. We talked more and more and it just kind of developed that we were friends, then it moved to RL and not just games. We became best friends and lovers all at the same time. Been together ever since.", ">\n\n\nWe met online gaming in 2000. Been together ever since.\n\nDon't give redditors too much hope..\njk congrats!", ">\n\nLOL. It was a text based online trivia game. No photos no voice. Just text. You really get to know someone that way. No distractions.", ">\n\nAgreeable. I wouldnt say \"The strongest romantic relationships\" HAVE to start that way, but the ones that do tend to be strong romantic relationships.", ">\n\nI think you’re projecting. My 25 years-and-counting relationship with my wife started out on a foundation of raw, animalistic lust.", ">\n\nBut on the other hand there are plenty of people that are best friends, try to date and realize they have no romantic thing, and afterwards it's getting weird etc. \nYou need a romantic and friendship-base, if you want to stay happy togehter. But what comes first is basically irrelevant.", ">\n\nThat’s great since every time I’ve caught feelings for a friend I also lost them as a friend", ">\n\nThe trick is to not stare at them intently for too long at a time", ">\n\nPeople struggle with dating because of these types of opinions. There is no one way to develop a good relationship, there are many. And one way that works for some people can be the exact reason it fails for others. It depends on everyone involved.", ">\n\nTotally agree, I was friends with my wife for 2 years before we began dating. We will be having our 15th wedding anniversary in a couple weeks.", ">\n\nCongratulations! Yay for best friends!!", ">\n\nI sorta disagree, from personal experience.\nWhen I dated someone who I'd been friends with for years, it didn't turn out well. Yeah sure, I knew the bad and good things about them. But that's a double edged sword, because they figured that I would 'be okay with' the same things now that we were in a relationship. There was nothing new for me to learn about him and no bonding experiences that could help us know each other deeper/better, because we already knew each other incredibly well. He wouldn't shut up about his ex before or during our relationship. I gave him an ultimatum and he only continued. I broke up with him and then became an ex he won't shut up about. \nHowever, when I met my current long distance partner, we only knew each other a month before getting together, as there was relatively quick mutual attraction. Our relationship is now 5 years strong and learning new things about them is/has been a bonding experience that I didn't have with the aforementioned ex of mine.\nSo, I think this isn't true in all cases.", ">\n\nI think you don't mean the strongest but safest. All of the things you mentioned are found in long term partners of dating apps and such as well, but of course they also might not be.\nWhat you're describing is every long term relationship. The trust building, the friendship. And yes you don't always find that on dating apps vs being friends first. But dating apps offer you a large pool to chose from which is generally much larger than your friend group.\nBut you also have to remember the downsides of dating a friend too. If it doesn't work out what happens to your friendship or friend group? Were you just friends to get close enough to date because that's kinda shitty. Not to mention it's hard to know if they're actually like you or don't want to lose a friend so go along with it.", ">\n\nNot for me, I've been with A LOT of people, I've dated a few as well. My current gf and future wife met when she came into my shop to get piercings done with her friends, she called the shop afterwards and we had sex the next day. We have been dating ever since ( 3 years ) and she Is the first woman I trust completely and feel comfortable and know I want to spend my entire life with her, my last relationship was 9 years, we were friends before that, the one before that was 6 years, also friends before. So, no, there really is no rules for making the \"perfect relationship\". My \"one night stand\" turned into the woman im going to spend my life with. Seems others have pointed this out as well. This is projection", ">\n\nMy friend found his first girlfriend on Tindr and she was an abusive narcassist (he left her thank god)\nI was a platonic friend with my bf for 3 years before dating him, and we love each other so fucking much", ">\n\nGood for you!\nNonetheless, all scenarios exist around the same percentage:\n- starting as friends becoming good romantic\n- starting as friends and not being good romantic partners\n- starting as a date/lust and becoming good romantically\n- starting as a date/lust and it does not work out", ">\n\nNot the same percentage, OP is right that you'll find a fulfilling relationship more often in person and starting off as friends.", ">\n\nNot that I don’t believe you, but do you have a source?\nThe best relationships I know are from people in the middle: dating, never knew (or interacted with) each other but taking it slow. People who jump too quickly end up fighting, and the people who were friends for so long do manage, but at the end it seems they do divorce because the spark is gone\nAgain, got no proof for that. Just what it seems", ">\n\nYou're asking me for sauce and yet you have failed to provide sauce yourself for your claim that all relationship types are equally occuring. You can only make a subjetive opinion on the matter and our views will be completely different because experiences are uniaue to the individual.\nPeople who enter marriages quickly end up leaving soon because they failed to know each other better. But instead of dating, they could've literally been friends for a long time and that qualifies for 'getting to know each other' and so jumping into marriage might end up being long term. I guess its dofferent for everyone, but I always wanted to meet my partner in real life either at study or work because I know we would be similar on those grounds. I did and I'm happy, and I'm happy because I got to know him more in the safe friendzone. It was a slow process but it was worth it.", ">\n\nI somewhat agree, but not everyone is lucky enough to have or can stay in social circles where you find your s/o.", ">\n\nI think it kinda boils down to the question, what was first, egg or chicken. You won't have full romantic relationship without sex and the same goes for lust based ones only.\nThis is bit of a myth that you can grow yourself a partner, especially after teenage phase, so you either hit or not into someone compatible making it a luck game, requiring lot of volume to get some points. You can start with passionate sex and just score the best partner in the world or you can start with friendship and never make it till some phase.", ">\n\nIs their proof because my evidence says every time u do that she cheats and you lose a good friend", ">\n\nI actually don't think this is as unpopular as you might think. I think at least some people looking for a steamy romance are not necessarily thinking about a life partner, which is totally ok. In the context of looking for a life partner, this seems pretty common.\nThat said, there are some cases where I'd strongly disagree. Dating allows you to filter people out who have definite life incompatibilities with you. Falling for your friends is great if your friend is compatible with you, but sometimes they're not. I've fallen in love with two close friends, neither who I ever would have gone on a date with (both of them fell for me back). In the end, the friendships turned toxic and fell apart because we wanted things from each other that we actually weren't willing to give, given what we wanted from life. I've honestly had much better luck falling in lust with someone, hanging out with them to see if we're baseline compatible, if not long term, and going from there. This isn't like a one-size-fits-all, but there are definite reasons to date strangers.", ">\n\nI’m in a 5 year relationship with someone who I was friends with. I knew him for like ten years now. I do disagree tho, we definitely had a honeymoon phase", ">\n\nNo. This type of shit is what leads mfs that you just want to be friends with to have some false ass hope for the future. I hate this and if someone just wants to be friends they just want to be friends. I'm not saying it never happens but 9/10 if you don't see them that way..... you never will", ">\n\nI started dating my now wife after we were friends for four years. Sparks are overrated.", ">\n\nI wasn't looking for a relationship. Eventually it just happened.", ">\n\nI fell for my husband after being friends for seven months. I had no initial attraction to him, we were just in the same field in doctoral school and interacted a lot. I was actually in another relationship when I first met him. It wasn’t until we worked closely together and got to know each other on a deeper level months later that a spark started to form. After all those months, I suddenly felt such a deep attraction to him I couldn’t ignore it. \nAll of my previous relationships were like that too. I have never felt instant attraction to any person. It always had to grow with time." ]
> I already knew all of those things about my wife because I was working a crap job for low pay when we met. The entire reason I went back to school was for her. It still took four more years to finish my degree and I didn’t have very much money or time between work and school. She stuck with me through those hard times. I didn’t have to just be her friend but she definitely let it be known that she wouldn’t marry me until I finished college. :)
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).", ">\n\nIf you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. \nA romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail", ">\n\nI met my wife in a bar. I was drunk as shit and my pickup line was \"You're cute, wanna make out?\"\nShe said \"hell no\", but I talked to her again the next day when I was sober and we hit it off instantly. \nI think the best relationships just don't involve the games, or one person chasing until the other finally settles and gives in.", ">\n\nThis is at least plausible. I agree that the strongest romantic relationships contain an element of robust friendship, but I'm not sure that you need to START like this first. It's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.", ">\n\n\nIt's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.\n\nI really think this is what happened between my wife and I. We met online gaming in 2000. That doesn't sound revolutinary by today's standards but then it was. We talked more and more and it just kind of developed that we were friends, then it moved to RL and not just games. We became best friends and lovers all at the same time. Been together ever since.", ">\n\n\nWe met online gaming in 2000. Been together ever since.\n\nDon't give redditors too much hope..\njk congrats!", ">\n\nLOL. It was a text based online trivia game. No photos no voice. Just text. You really get to know someone that way. No distractions.", ">\n\nAgreeable. I wouldnt say \"The strongest romantic relationships\" HAVE to start that way, but the ones that do tend to be strong romantic relationships.", ">\n\nI think you’re projecting. My 25 years-and-counting relationship with my wife started out on a foundation of raw, animalistic lust.", ">\n\nBut on the other hand there are plenty of people that are best friends, try to date and realize they have no romantic thing, and afterwards it's getting weird etc. \nYou need a romantic and friendship-base, if you want to stay happy togehter. But what comes first is basically irrelevant.", ">\n\nThat’s great since every time I’ve caught feelings for a friend I also lost them as a friend", ">\n\nThe trick is to not stare at them intently for too long at a time", ">\n\nPeople struggle with dating because of these types of opinions. There is no one way to develop a good relationship, there are many. And one way that works for some people can be the exact reason it fails for others. It depends on everyone involved.", ">\n\nTotally agree, I was friends with my wife for 2 years before we began dating. We will be having our 15th wedding anniversary in a couple weeks.", ">\n\nCongratulations! Yay for best friends!!", ">\n\nI sorta disagree, from personal experience.\nWhen I dated someone who I'd been friends with for years, it didn't turn out well. Yeah sure, I knew the bad and good things about them. But that's a double edged sword, because they figured that I would 'be okay with' the same things now that we were in a relationship. There was nothing new for me to learn about him and no bonding experiences that could help us know each other deeper/better, because we already knew each other incredibly well. He wouldn't shut up about his ex before or during our relationship. I gave him an ultimatum and he only continued. I broke up with him and then became an ex he won't shut up about. \nHowever, when I met my current long distance partner, we only knew each other a month before getting together, as there was relatively quick mutual attraction. Our relationship is now 5 years strong and learning new things about them is/has been a bonding experience that I didn't have with the aforementioned ex of mine.\nSo, I think this isn't true in all cases.", ">\n\nI think you don't mean the strongest but safest. All of the things you mentioned are found in long term partners of dating apps and such as well, but of course they also might not be.\nWhat you're describing is every long term relationship. The trust building, the friendship. And yes you don't always find that on dating apps vs being friends first. But dating apps offer you a large pool to chose from which is generally much larger than your friend group.\nBut you also have to remember the downsides of dating a friend too. If it doesn't work out what happens to your friendship or friend group? Were you just friends to get close enough to date because that's kinda shitty. Not to mention it's hard to know if they're actually like you or don't want to lose a friend so go along with it.", ">\n\nNot for me, I've been with A LOT of people, I've dated a few as well. My current gf and future wife met when she came into my shop to get piercings done with her friends, she called the shop afterwards and we had sex the next day. We have been dating ever since ( 3 years ) and she Is the first woman I trust completely and feel comfortable and know I want to spend my entire life with her, my last relationship was 9 years, we were friends before that, the one before that was 6 years, also friends before. So, no, there really is no rules for making the \"perfect relationship\". My \"one night stand\" turned into the woman im going to spend my life with. Seems others have pointed this out as well. This is projection", ">\n\nMy friend found his first girlfriend on Tindr and she was an abusive narcassist (he left her thank god)\nI was a platonic friend with my bf for 3 years before dating him, and we love each other so fucking much", ">\n\nGood for you!\nNonetheless, all scenarios exist around the same percentage:\n- starting as friends becoming good romantic\n- starting as friends and not being good romantic partners\n- starting as a date/lust and becoming good romantically\n- starting as a date/lust and it does not work out", ">\n\nNot the same percentage, OP is right that you'll find a fulfilling relationship more often in person and starting off as friends.", ">\n\nNot that I don’t believe you, but do you have a source?\nThe best relationships I know are from people in the middle: dating, never knew (or interacted with) each other but taking it slow. People who jump too quickly end up fighting, and the people who were friends for so long do manage, but at the end it seems they do divorce because the spark is gone\nAgain, got no proof for that. Just what it seems", ">\n\nYou're asking me for sauce and yet you have failed to provide sauce yourself for your claim that all relationship types are equally occuring. You can only make a subjetive opinion on the matter and our views will be completely different because experiences are uniaue to the individual.\nPeople who enter marriages quickly end up leaving soon because they failed to know each other better. But instead of dating, they could've literally been friends for a long time and that qualifies for 'getting to know each other' and so jumping into marriage might end up being long term. I guess its dofferent for everyone, but I always wanted to meet my partner in real life either at study or work because I know we would be similar on those grounds. I did and I'm happy, and I'm happy because I got to know him more in the safe friendzone. It was a slow process but it was worth it.", ">\n\nI somewhat agree, but not everyone is lucky enough to have or can stay in social circles where you find your s/o.", ">\n\nI think it kinda boils down to the question, what was first, egg or chicken. You won't have full romantic relationship without sex and the same goes for lust based ones only.\nThis is bit of a myth that you can grow yourself a partner, especially after teenage phase, so you either hit or not into someone compatible making it a luck game, requiring lot of volume to get some points. You can start with passionate sex and just score the best partner in the world or you can start with friendship and never make it till some phase.", ">\n\nIs their proof because my evidence says every time u do that she cheats and you lose a good friend", ">\n\nI actually don't think this is as unpopular as you might think. I think at least some people looking for a steamy romance are not necessarily thinking about a life partner, which is totally ok. In the context of looking for a life partner, this seems pretty common.\nThat said, there are some cases where I'd strongly disagree. Dating allows you to filter people out who have definite life incompatibilities with you. Falling for your friends is great if your friend is compatible with you, but sometimes they're not. I've fallen in love with two close friends, neither who I ever would have gone on a date with (both of them fell for me back). In the end, the friendships turned toxic and fell apart because we wanted things from each other that we actually weren't willing to give, given what we wanted from life. I've honestly had much better luck falling in lust with someone, hanging out with them to see if we're baseline compatible, if not long term, and going from there. This isn't like a one-size-fits-all, but there are definite reasons to date strangers.", ">\n\nI’m in a 5 year relationship with someone who I was friends with. I knew him for like ten years now. I do disagree tho, we definitely had a honeymoon phase", ">\n\nNo. This type of shit is what leads mfs that you just want to be friends with to have some false ass hope for the future. I hate this and if someone just wants to be friends they just want to be friends. I'm not saying it never happens but 9/10 if you don't see them that way..... you never will", ">\n\nI started dating my now wife after we were friends for four years. Sparks are overrated.", ">\n\nI wasn't looking for a relationship. Eventually it just happened.", ">\n\nI fell for my husband after being friends for seven months. I had no initial attraction to him, we were just in the same field in doctoral school and interacted a lot. I was actually in another relationship when I first met him. It wasn’t until we worked closely together and got to know each other on a deeper level months later that a spark started to form. After all those months, I suddenly felt such a deep attraction to him I couldn’t ignore it. \nAll of my previous relationships were like that too. I have never felt instant attraction to any person. It always had to grow with time.", ">\n\nThat's how it worked out for me." ]
> Very true in my case. I didn’t notice him for years. Then we were just friends. Then best friends. Then best friends that say “I love you” to each-other. But finally i resized my true feelings. Ive been with him 2 long years. I wish I loved him sooner because he’s amazing.
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).", ">\n\nIf you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. \nA romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail", ">\n\nI met my wife in a bar. I was drunk as shit and my pickup line was \"You're cute, wanna make out?\"\nShe said \"hell no\", but I talked to her again the next day when I was sober and we hit it off instantly. \nI think the best relationships just don't involve the games, or one person chasing until the other finally settles and gives in.", ">\n\nThis is at least plausible. I agree that the strongest romantic relationships contain an element of robust friendship, but I'm not sure that you need to START like this first. It's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.", ">\n\n\nIt's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.\n\nI really think this is what happened between my wife and I. We met online gaming in 2000. That doesn't sound revolutinary by today's standards but then it was. We talked more and more and it just kind of developed that we were friends, then it moved to RL and not just games. We became best friends and lovers all at the same time. Been together ever since.", ">\n\n\nWe met online gaming in 2000. Been together ever since.\n\nDon't give redditors too much hope..\njk congrats!", ">\n\nLOL. It was a text based online trivia game. No photos no voice. Just text. You really get to know someone that way. No distractions.", ">\n\nAgreeable. I wouldnt say \"The strongest romantic relationships\" HAVE to start that way, but the ones that do tend to be strong romantic relationships.", ">\n\nI think you’re projecting. My 25 years-and-counting relationship with my wife started out on a foundation of raw, animalistic lust.", ">\n\nBut on the other hand there are plenty of people that are best friends, try to date and realize they have no romantic thing, and afterwards it's getting weird etc. \nYou need a romantic and friendship-base, if you want to stay happy togehter. But what comes first is basically irrelevant.", ">\n\nThat’s great since every time I’ve caught feelings for a friend I also lost them as a friend", ">\n\nThe trick is to not stare at them intently for too long at a time", ">\n\nPeople struggle with dating because of these types of opinions. There is no one way to develop a good relationship, there are many. And one way that works for some people can be the exact reason it fails for others. It depends on everyone involved.", ">\n\nTotally agree, I was friends with my wife for 2 years before we began dating. We will be having our 15th wedding anniversary in a couple weeks.", ">\n\nCongratulations! Yay for best friends!!", ">\n\nI sorta disagree, from personal experience.\nWhen I dated someone who I'd been friends with for years, it didn't turn out well. Yeah sure, I knew the bad and good things about them. But that's a double edged sword, because they figured that I would 'be okay with' the same things now that we were in a relationship. There was nothing new for me to learn about him and no bonding experiences that could help us know each other deeper/better, because we already knew each other incredibly well. He wouldn't shut up about his ex before or during our relationship. I gave him an ultimatum and he only continued. I broke up with him and then became an ex he won't shut up about. \nHowever, when I met my current long distance partner, we only knew each other a month before getting together, as there was relatively quick mutual attraction. Our relationship is now 5 years strong and learning new things about them is/has been a bonding experience that I didn't have with the aforementioned ex of mine.\nSo, I think this isn't true in all cases.", ">\n\nI think you don't mean the strongest but safest. All of the things you mentioned are found in long term partners of dating apps and such as well, but of course they also might not be.\nWhat you're describing is every long term relationship. The trust building, the friendship. And yes you don't always find that on dating apps vs being friends first. But dating apps offer you a large pool to chose from which is generally much larger than your friend group.\nBut you also have to remember the downsides of dating a friend too. If it doesn't work out what happens to your friendship or friend group? Were you just friends to get close enough to date because that's kinda shitty. Not to mention it's hard to know if they're actually like you or don't want to lose a friend so go along with it.", ">\n\nNot for me, I've been with A LOT of people, I've dated a few as well. My current gf and future wife met when she came into my shop to get piercings done with her friends, she called the shop afterwards and we had sex the next day. We have been dating ever since ( 3 years ) and she Is the first woman I trust completely and feel comfortable and know I want to spend my entire life with her, my last relationship was 9 years, we were friends before that, the one before that was 6 years, also friends before. So, no, there really is no rules for making the \"perfect relationship\". My \"one night stand\" turned into the woman im going to spend my life with. Seems others have pointed this out as well. This is projection", ">\n\nMy friend found his first girlfriend on Tindr and she was an abusive narcassist (he left her thank god)\nI was a platonic friend with my bf for 3 years before dating him, and we love each other so fucking much", ">\n\nGood for you!\nNonetheless, all scenarios exist around the same percentage:\n- starting as friends becoming good romantic\n- starting as friends and not being good romantic partners\n- starting as a date/lust and becoming good romantically\n- starting as a date/lust and it does not work out", ">\n\nNot the same percentage, OP is right that you'll find a fulfilling relationship more often in person and starting off as friends.", ">\n\nNot that I don’t believe you, but do you have a source?\nThe best relationships I know are from people in the middle: dating, never knew (or interacted with) each other but taking it slow. People who jump too quickly end up fighting, and the people who were friends for so long do manage, but at the end it seems they do divorce because the spark is gone\nAgain, got no proof for that. Just what it seems", ">\n\nYou're asking me for sauce and yet you have failed to provide sauce yourself for your claim that all relationship types are equally occuring. You can only make a subjetive opinion on the matter and our views will be completely different because experiences are uniaue to the individual.\nPeople who enter marriages quickly end up leaving soon because they failed to know each other better. But instead of dating, they could've literally been friends for a long time and that qualifies for 'getting to know each other' and so jumping into marriage might end up being long term. I guess its dofferent for everyone, but I always wanted to meet my partner in real life either at study or work because I know we would be similar on those grounds. I did and I'm happy, and I'm happy because I got to know him more in the safe friendzone. It was a slow process but it was worth it.", ">\n\nI somewhat agree, but not everyone is lucky enough to have or can stay in social circles where you find your s/o.", ">\n\nI think it kinda boils down to the question, what was first, egg or chicken. You won't have full romantic relationship without sex and the same goes for lust based ones only.\nThis is bit of a myth that you can grow yourself a partner, especially after teenage phase, so you either hit or not into someone compatible making it a luck game, requiring lot of volume to get some points. You can start with passionate sex and just score the best partner in the world or you can start with friendship and never make it till some phase.", ">\n\nIs their proof because my evidence says every time u do that she cheats and you lose a good friend", ">\n\nI actually don't think this is as unpopular as you might think. I think at least some people looking for a steamy romance are not necessarily thinking about a life partner, which is totally ok. In the context of looking for a life partner, this seems pretty common.\nThat said, there are some cases where I'd strongly disagree. Dating allows you to filter people out who have definite life incompatibilities with you. Falling for your friends is great if your friend is compatible with you, but sometimes they're not. I've fallen in love with two close friends, neither who I ever would have gone on a date with (both of them fell for me back). In the end, the friendships turned toxic and fell apart because we wanted things from each other that we actually weren't willing to give, given what we wanted from life. I've honestly had much better luck falling in lust with someone, hanging out with them to see if we're baseline compatible, if not long term, and going from there. This isn't like a one-size-fits-all, but there are definite reasons to date strangers.", ">\n\nI’m in a 5 year relationship with someone who I was friends with. I knew him for like ten years now. I do disagree tho, we definitely had a honeymoon phase", ">\n\nNo. This type of shit is what leads mfs that you just want to be friends with to have some false ass hope for the future. I hate this and if someone just wants to be friends they just want to be friends. I'm not saying it never happens but 9/10 if you don't see them that way..... you never will", ">\n\nI started dating my now wife after we were friends for four years. Sparks are overrated.", ">\n\nI wasn't looking for a relationship. Eventually it just happened.", ">\n\nI fell for my husband after being friends for seven months. I had no initial attraction to him, we were just in the same field in doctoral school and interacted a lot. I was actually in another relationship when I first met him. It wasn’t until we worked closely together and got to know each other on a deeper level months later that a spark started to form. After all those months, I suddenly felt such a deep attraction to him I couldn’t ignore it. \nAll of my previous relationships were like that too. I have never felt instant attraction to any person. It always had to grow with time.", ">\n\nThat's how it worked out for me.", ">\n\nI already knew all of those things about my wife because I was working a crap job for low pay when we met. The entire reason I went back to school was for her. It still took four more years to finish my degree and I didn’t have very much money or time between work and school. She stuck with me through those hard times. I didn’t have to just be her friend but she definitely let it be known that she wouldn’t marry me until I finished college. :)" ]
> They make for the most difficult breakups, too.
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).", ">\n\nIf you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. \nA romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail", ">\n\nI met my wife in a bar. I was drunk as shit and my pickup line was \"You're cute, wanna make out?\"\nShe said \"hell no\", but I talked to her again the next day when I was sober and we hit it off instantly. \nI think the best relationships just don't involve the games, or one person chasing until the other finally settles and gives in.", ">\n\nThis is at least plausible. I agree that the strongest romantic relationships contain an element of robust friendship, but I'm not sure that you need to START like this first. It's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.", ">\n\n\nIt's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.\n\nI really think this is what happened between my wife and I. We met online gaming in 2000. That doesn't sound revolutinary by today's standards but then it was. We talked more and more and it just kind of developed that we were friends, then it moved to RL and not just games. We became best friends and lovers all at the same time. Been together ever since.", ">\n\n\nWe met online gaming in 2000. Been together ever since.\n\nDon't give redditors too much hope..\njk congrats!", ">\n\nLOL. It was a text based online trivia game. No photos no voice. Just text. You really get to know someone that way. No distractions.", ">\n\nAgreeable. I wouldnt say \"The strongest romantic relationships\" HAVE to start that way, but the ones that do tend to be strong romantic relationships.", ">\n\nI think you’re projecting. My 25 years-and-counting relationship with my wife started out on a foundation of raw, animalistic lust.", ">\n\nBut on the other hand there are plenty of people that are best friends, try to date and realize they have no romantic thing, and afterwards it's getting weird etc. \nYou need a romantic and friendship-base, if you want to stay happy togehter. But what comes first is basically irrelevant.", ">\n\nThat’s great since every time I’ve caught feelings for a friend I also lost them as a friend", ">\n\nThe trick is to not stare at them intently for too long at a time", ">\n\nPeople struggle with dating because of these types of opinions. There is no one way to develop a good relationship, there are many. And one way that works for some people can be the exact reason it fails for others. It depends on everyone involved.", ">\n\nTotally agree, I was friends with my wife for 2 years before we began dating. We will be having our 15th wedding anniversary in a couple weeks.", ">\n\nCongratulations! Yay for best friends!!", ">\n\nI sorta disagree, from personal experience.\nWhen I dated someone who I'd been friends with for years, it didn't turn out well. Yeah sure, I knew the bad and good things about them. But that's a double edged sword, because they figured that I would 'be okay with' the same things now that we were in a relationship. There was nothing new for me to learn about him and no bonding experiences that could help us know each other deeper/better, because we already knew each other incredibly well. He wouldn't shut up about his ex before or during our relationship. I gave him an ultimatum and he only continued. I broke up with him and then became an ex he won't shut up about. \nHowever, when I met my current long distance partner, we only knew each other a month before getting together, as there was relatively quick mutual attraction. Our relationship is now 5 years strong and learning new things about them is/has been a bonding experience that I didn't have with the aforementioned ex of mine.\nSo, I think this isn't true in all cases.", ">\n\nI think you don't mean the strongest but safest. All of the things you mentioned are found in long term partners of dating apps and such as well, but of course they also might not be.\nWhat you're describing is every long term relationship. The trust building, the friendship. And yes you don't always find that on dating apps vs being friends first. But dating apps offer you a large pool to chose from which is generally much larger than your friend group.\nBut you also have to remember the downsides of dating a friend too. If it doesn't work out what happens to your friendship or friend group? Were you just friends to get close enough to date because that's kinda shitty. Not to mention it's hard to know if they're actually like you or don't want to lose a friend so go along with it.", ">\n\nNot for me, I've been with A LOT of people, I've dated a few as well. My current gf and future wife met when she came into my shop to get piercings done with her friends, she called the shop afterwards and we had sex the next day. We have been dating ever since ( 3 years ) and she Is the first woman I trust completely and feel comfortable and know I want to spend my entire life with her, my last relationship was 9 years, we were friends before that, the one before that was 6 years, also friends before. So, no, there really is no rules for making the \"perfect relationship\". My \"one night stand\" turned into the woman im going to spend my life with. Seems others have pointed this out as well. This is projection", ">\n\nMy friend found his first girlfriend on Tindr and she was an abusive narcassist (he left her thank god)\nI was a platonic friend with my bf for 3 years before dating him, and we love each other so fucking much", ">\n\nGood for you!\nNonetheless, all scenarios exist around the same percentage:\n- starting as friends becoming good romantic\n- starting as friends and not being good romantic partners\n- starting as a date/lust and becoming good romantically\n- starting as a date/lust and it does not work out", ">\n\nNot the same percentage, OP is right that you'll find a fulfilling relationship more often in person and starting off as friends.", ">\n\nNot that I don’t believe you, but do you have a source?\nThe best relationships I know are from people in the middle: dating, never knew (or interacted with) each other but taking it slow. People who jump too quickly end up fighting, and the people who were friends for so long do manage, but at the end it seems they do divorce because the spark is gone\nAgain, got no proof for that. Just what it seems", ">\n\nYou're asking me for sauce and yet you have failed to provide sauce yourself for your claim that all relationship types are equally occuring. You can only make a subjetive opinion on the matter and our views will be completely different because experiences are uniaue to the individual.\nPeople who enter marriages quickly end up leaving soon because they failed to know each other better. But instead of dating, they could've literally been friends for a long time and that qualifies for 'getting to know each other' and so jumping into marriage might end up being long term. I guess its dofferent for everyone, but I always wanted to meet my partner in real life either at study or work because I know we would be similar on those grounds. I did and I'm happy, and I'm happy because I got to know him more in the safe friendzone. It was a slow process but it was worth it.", ">\n\nI somewhat agree, but not everyone is lucky enough to have or can stay in social circles where you find your s/o.", ">\n\nI think it kinda boils down to the question, what was first, egg or chicken. You won't have full romantic relationship without sex and the same goes for lust based ones only.\nThis is bit of a myth that you can grow yourself a partner, especially after teenage phase, so you either hit or not into someone compatible making it a luck game, requiring lot of volume to get some points. You can start with passionate sex and just score the best partner in the world or you can start with friendship and never make it till some phase.", ">\n\nIs their proof because my evidence says every time u do that she cheats and you lose a good friend", ">\n\nI actually don't think this is as unpopular as you might think. I think at least some people looking for a steamy romance are not necessarily thinking about a life partner, which is totally ok. In the context of looking for a life partner, this seems pretty common.\nThat said, there are some cases where I'd strongly disagree. Dating allows you to filter people out who have definite life incompatibilities with you. Falling for your friends is great if your friend is compatible with you, but sometimes they're not. I've fallen in love with two close friends, neither who I ever would have gone on a date with (both of them fell for me back). In the end, the friendships turned toxic and fell apart because we wanted things from each other that we actually weren't willing to give, given what we wanted from life. I've honestly had much better luck falling in lust with someone, hanging out with them to see if we're baseline compatible, if not long term, and going from there. This isn't like a one-size-fits-all, but there are definite reasons to date strangers.", ">\n\nI’m in a 5 year relationship with someone who I was friends with. I knew him for like ten years now. I do disagree tho, we definitely had a honeymoon phase", ">\n\nNo. This type of shit is what leads mfs that you just want to be friends with to have some false ass hope for the future. I hate this and if someone just wants to be friends they just want to be friends. I'm not saying it never happens but 9/10 if you don't see them that way..... you never will", ">\n\nI started dating my now wife after we were friends for four years. Sparks are overrated.", ">\n\nI wasn't looking for a relationship. Eventually it just happened.", ">\n\nI fell for my husband after being friends for seven months. I had no initial attraction to him, we were just in the same field in doctoral school and interacted a lot. I was actually in another relationship when I first met him. It wasn’t until we worked closely together and got to know each other on a deeper level months later that a spark started to form. After all those months, I suddenly felt such a deep attraction to him I couldn’t ignore it. \nAll of my previous relationships were like that too. I have never felt instant attraction to any person. It always had to grow with time.", ">\n\nThat's how it worked out for me.", ">\n\nI already knew all of those things about my wife because I was working a crap job for low pay when we met. The entire reason I went back to school was for her. It still took four more years to finish my degree and I didn’t have very much money or time between work and school. She stuck with me through those hard times. I didn’t have to just be her friend but she definitely let it be known that she wouldn’t marry me until I finished college. :)", ">\n\nVery true in my case. I didn’t notice him for years. Then we were just friends. Then best friends. Then best friends that say “I love you” to each-other. But finally i resized my true feelings. Ive been with him 2 long years. I wish I loved him sooner because he’s amazing." ]
> Maybe, but I dont ruin friendships cuz they are valuable so no.
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).", ">\n\nIf you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. \nA romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail", ">\n\nI met my wife in a bar. I was drunk as shit and my pickup line was \"You're cute, wanna make out?\"\nShe said \"hell no\", but I talked to her again the next day when I was sober and we hit it off instantly. \nI think the best relationships just don't involve the games, or one person chasing until the other finally settles and gives in.", ">\n\nThis is at least plausible. I agree that the strongest romantic relationships contain an element of robust friendship, but I'm not sure that you need to START like this first. It's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.", ">\n\n\nIt's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.\n\nI really think this is what happened between my wife and I. We met online gaming in 2000. That doesn't sound revolutinary by today's standards but then it was. We talked more and more and it just kind of developed that we were friends, then it moved to RL and not just games. We became best friends and lovers all at the same time. Been together ever since.", ">\n\n\nWe met online gaming in 2000. Been together ever since.\n\nDon't give redditors too much hope..\njk congrats!", ">\n\nLOL. It was a text based online trivia game. No photos no voice. Just text. You really get to know someone that way. No distractions.", ">\n\nAgreeable. I wouldnt say \"The strongest romantic relationships\" HAVE to start that way, but the ones that do tend to be strong romantic relationships.", ">\n\nI think you’re projecting. My 25 years-and-counting relationship with my wife started out on a foundation of raw, animalistic lust.", ">\n\nBut on the other hand there are plenty of people that are best friends, try to date and realize they have no romantic thing, and afterwards it's getting weird etc. \nYou need a romantic and friendship-base, if you want to stay happy togehter. But what comes first is basically irrelevant.", ">\n\nThat’s great since every time I’ve caught feelings for a friend I also lost them as a friend", ">\n\nThe trick is to not stare at them intently for too long at a time", ">\n\nPeople struggle with dating because of these types of opinions. There is no one way to develop a good relationship, there are many. And one way that works for some people can be the exact reason it fails for others. It depends on everyone involved.", ">\n\nTotally agree, I was friends with my wife for 2 years before we began dating. We will be having our 15th wedding anniversary in a couple weeks.", ">\n\nCongratulations! Yay for best friends!!", ">\n\nI sorta disagree, from personal experience.\nWhen I dated someone who I'd been friends with for years, it didn't turn out well. Yeah sure, I knew the bad and good things about them. But that's a double edged sword, because they figured that I would 'be okay with' the same things now that we were in a relationship. There was nothing new for me to learn about him and no bonding experiences that could help us know each other deeper/better, because we already knew each other incredibly well. He wouldn't shut up about his ex before or during our relationship. I gave him an ultimatum and he only continued. I broke up with him and then became an ex he won't shut up about. \nHowever, when I met my current long distance partner, we only knew each other a month before getting together, as there was relatively quick mutual attraction. Our relationship is now 5 years strong and learning new things about them is/has been a bonding experience that I didn't have with the aforementioned ex of mine.\nSo, I think this isn't true in all cases.", ">\n\nI think you don't mean the strongest but safest. All of the things you mentioned are found in long term partners of dating apps and such as well, but of course they also might not be.\nWhat you're describing is every long term relationship. The trust building, the friendship. And yes you don't always find that on dating apps vs being friends first. But dating apps offer you a large pool to chose from which is generally much larger than your friend group.\nBut you also have to remember the downsides of dating a friend too. If it doesn't work out what happens to your friendship or friend group? Were you just friends to get close enough to date because that's kinda shitty. Not to mention it's hard to know if they're actually like you or don't want to lose a friend so go along with it.", ">\n\nNot for me, I've been with A LOT of people, I've dated a few as well. My current gf and future wife met when she came into my shop to get piercings done with her friends, she called the shop afterwards and we had sex the next day. We have been dating ever since ( 3 years ) and she Is the first woman I trust completely and feel comfortable and know I want to spend my entire life with her, my last relationship was 9 years, we were friends before that, the one before that was 6 years, also friends before. So, no, there really is no rules for making the \"perfect relationship\". My \"one night stand\" turned into the woman im going to spend my life with. Seems others have pointed this out as well. This is projection", ">\n\nMy friend found his first girlfriend on Tindr and she was an abusive narcassist (he left her thank god)\nI was a platonic friend with my bf for 3 years before dating him, and we love each other so fucking much", ">\n\nGood for you!\nNonetheless, all scenarios exist around the same percentage:\n- starting as friends becoming good romantic\n- starting as friends and not being good romantic partners\n- starting as a date/lust and becoming good romantically\n- starting as a date/lust and it does not work out", ">\n\nNot the same percentage, OP is right that you'll find a fulfilling relationship more often in person and starting off as friends.", ">\n\nNot that I don’t believe you, but do you have a source?\nThe best relationships I know are from people in the middle: dating, never knew (or interacted with) each other but taking it slow. People who jump too quickly end up fighting, and the people who were friends for so long do manage, but at the end it seems they do divorce because the spark is gone\nAgain, got no proof for that. Just what it seems", ">\n\nYou're asking me for sauce and yet you have failed to provide sauce yourself for your claim that all relationship types are equally occuring. You can only make a subjetive opinion on the matter and our views will be completely different because experiences are uniaue to the individual.\nPeople who enter marriages quickly end up leaving soon because they failed to know each other better. But instead of dating, they could've literally been friends for a long time and that qualifies for 'getting to know each other' and so jumping into marriage might end up being long term. I guess its dofferent for everyone, but I always wanted to meet my partner in real life either at study or work because I know we would be similar on those grounds. I did and I'm happy, and I'm happy because I got to know him more in the safe friendzone. It was a slow process but it was worth it.", ">\n\nI somewhat agree, but not everyone is lucky enough to have or can stay in social circles where you find your s/o.", ">\n\nI think it kinda boils down to the question, what was first, egg or chicken. You won't have full romantic relationship without sex and the same goes for lust based ones only.\nThis is bit of a myth that you can grow yourself a partner, especially after teenage phase, so you either hit or not into someone compatible making it a luck game, requiring lot of volume to get some points. You can start with passionate sex and just score the best partner in the world or you can start with friendship and never make it till some phase.", ">\n\nIs their proof because my evidence says every time u do that she cheats and you lose a good friend", ">\n\nI actually don't think this is as unpopular as you might think. I think at least some people looking for a steamy romance are not necessarily thinking about a life partner, which is totally ok. In the context of looking for a life partner, this seems pretty common.\nThat said, there are some cases where I'd strongly disagree. Dating allows you to filter people out who have definite life incompatibilities with you. Falling for your friends is great if your friend is compatible with you, but sometimes they're not. I've fallen in love with two close friends, neither who I ever would have gone on a date with (both of them fell for me back). In the end, the friendships turned toxic and fell apart because we wanted things from each other that we actually weren't willing to give, given what we wanted from life. I've honestly had much better luck falling in lust with someone, hanging out with them to see if we're baseline compatible, if not long term, and going from there. This isn't like a one-size-fits-all, but there are definite reasons to date strangers.", ">\n\nI’m in a 5 year relationship with someone who I was friends with. I knew him for like ten years now. I do disagree tho, we definitely had a honeymoon phase", ">\n\nNo. This type of shit is what leads mfs that you just want to be friends with to have some false ass hope for the future. I hate this and if someone just wants to be friends they just want to be friends. I'm not saying it never happens but 9/10 if you don't see them that way..... you never will", ">\n\nI started dating my now wife after we were friends for four years. Sparks are overrated.", ">\n\nI wasn't looking for a relationship. Eventually it just happened.", ">\n\nI fell for my husband after being friends for seven months. I had no initial attraction to him, we were just in the same field in doctoral school and interacted a lot. I was actually in another relationship when I first met him. It wasn’t until we worked closely together and got to know each other on a deeper level months later that a spark started to form. After all those months, I suddenly felt such a deep attraction to him I couldn’t ignore it. \nAll of my previous relationships were like that too. I have never felt instant attraction to any person. It always had to grow with time.", ">\n\nThat's how it worked out for me.", ">\n\nI already knew all of those things about my wife because I was working a crap job for low pay when we met. The entire reason I went back to school was for her. It still took four more years to finish my degree and I didn’t have very much money or time between work and school. She stuck with me through those hard times. I didn’t have to just be her friend but she definitely let it be known that she wouldn’t marry me until I finished college. :)", ">\n\nVery true in my case. I didn’t notice him for years. Then we were just friends. Then best friends. Then best friends that say “I love you” to each-other. But finally i resized my true feelings. Ive been with him 2 long years. I wish I loved him sooner because he’s amazing.", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups, too." ]
> This is so true. Friends first! I met my fiance on Facebook through our college class group. I dm'd her first and we spoke for three months as really good friends before meeting in person in the fall. That first week we clicked and knew our intentions. We never expected to date. Fast forward 10 years later ( including 3 years of long distance), we have been living together for two years and get married in Oct. Til this day we love each other very much, and is because we see each other as best friends before partners.
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).", ">\n\nIf you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. \nA romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail", ">\n\nI met my wife in a bar. I was drunk as shit and my pickup line was \"You're cute, wanna make out?\"\nShe said \"hell no\", but I talked to her again the next day when I was sober and we hit it off instantly. \nI think the best relationships just don't involve the games, or one person chasing until the other finally settles and gives in.", ">\n\nThis is at least plausible. I agree that the strongest romantic relationships contain an element of robust friendship, but I'm not sure that you need to START like this first. It's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.", ">\n\n\nIt's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.\n\nI really think this is what happened between my wife and I. We met online gaming in 2000. That doesn't sound revolutinary by today's standards but then it was. We talked more and more and it just kind of developed that we were friends, then it moved to RL and not just games. We became best friends and lovers all at the same time. Been together ever since.", ">\n\n\nWe met online gaming in 2000. Been together ever since.\n\nDon't give redditors too much hope..\njk congrats!", ">\n\nLOL. It was a text based online trivia game. No photos no voice. Just text. You really get to know someone that way. No distractions.", ">\n\nAgreeable. I wouldnt say \"The strongest romantic relationships\" HAVE to start that way, but the ones that do tend to be strong romantic relationships.", ">\n\nI think you’re projecting. My 25 years-and-counting relationship with my wife started out on a foundation of raw, animalistic lust.", ">\n\nBut on the other hand there are plenty of people that are best friends, try to date and realize they have no romantic thing, and afterwards it's getting weird etc. \nYou need a romantic and friendship-base, if you want to stay happy togehter. But what comes first is basically irrelevant.", ">\n\nThat’s great since every time I’ve caught feelings for a friend I also lost them as a friend", ">\n\nThe trick is to not stare at them intently for too long at a time", ">\n\nPeople struggle with dating because of these types of opinions. There is no one way to develop a good relationship, there are many. And one way that works for some people can be the exact reason it fails for others. It depends on everyone involved.", ">\n\nTotally agree, I was friends with my wife for 2 years before we began dating. We will be having our 15th wedding anniversary in a couple weeks.", ">\n\nCongratulations! Yay for best friends!!", ">\n\nI sorta disagree, from personal experience.\nWhen I dated someone who I'd been friends with for years, it didn't turn out well. Yeah sure, I knew the bad and good things about them. But that's a double edged sword, because they figured that I would 'be okay with' the same things now that we were in a relationship. There was nothing new for me to learn about him and no bonding experiences that could help us know each other deeper/better, because we already knew each other incredibly well. He wouldn't shut up about his ex before or during our relationship. I gave him an ultimatum and he only continued. I broke up with him and then became an ex he won't shut up about. \nHowever, when I met my current long distance partner, we only knew each other a month before getting together, as there was relatively quick mutual attraction. Our relationship is now 5 years strong and learning new things about them is/has been a bonding experience that I didn't have with the aforementioned ex of mine.\nSo, I think this isn't true in all cases.", ">\n\nI think you don't mean the strongest but safest. All of the things you mentioned are found in long term partners of dating apps and such as well, but of course they also might not be.\nWhat you're describing is every long term relationship. The trust building, the friendship. And yes you don't always find that on dating apps vs being friends first. But dating apps offer you a large pool to chose from which is generally much larger than your friend group.\nBut you also have to remember the downsides of dating a friend too. If it doesn't work out what happens to your friendship or friend group? Were you just friends to get close enough to date because that's kinda shitty. Not to mention it's hard to know if they're actually like you or don't want to lose a friend so go along with it.", ">\n\nNot for me, I've been with A LOT of people, I've dated a few as well. My current gf and future wife met when she came into my shop to get piercings done with her friends, she called the shop afterwards and we had sex the next day. We have been dating ever since ( 3 years ) and she Is the first woman I trust completely and feel comfortable and know I want to spend my entire life with her, my last relationship was 9 years, we were friends before that, the one before that was 6 years, also friends before. So, no, there really is no rules for making the \"perfect relationship\". My \"one night stand\" turned into the woman im going to spend my life with. Seems others have pointed this out as well. This is projection", ">\n\nMy friend found his first girlfriend on Tindr and she was an abusive narcassist (he left her thank god)\nI was a platonic friend with my bf for 3 years before dating him, and we love each other so fucking much", ">\n\nGood for you!\nNonetheless, all scenarios exist around the same percentage:\n- starting as friends becoming good romantic\n- starting as friends and not being good romantic partners\n- starting as a date/lust and becoming good romantically\n- starting as a date/lust and it does not work out", ">\n\nNot the same percentage, OP is right that you'll find a fulfilling relationship more often in person and starting off as friends.", ">\n\nNot that I don’t believe you, but do you have a source?\nThe best relationships I know are from people in the middle: dating, never knew (or interacted with) each other but taking it slow. People who jump too quickly end up fighting, and the people who were friends for so long do manage, but at the end it seems they do divorce because the spark is gone\nAgain, got no proof for that. Just what it seems", ">\n\nYou're asking me for sauce and yet you have failed to provide sauce yourself for your claim that all relationship types are equally occuring. You can only make a subjetive opinion on the matter and our views will be completely different because experiences are uniaue to the individual.\nPeople who enter marriages quickly end up leaving soon because they failed to know each other better. But instead of dating, they could've literally been friends for a long time and that qualifies for 'getting to know each other' and so jumping into marriage might end up being long term. I guess its dofferent for everyone, but I always wanted to meet my partner in real life either at study or work because I know we would be similar on those grounds. I did and I'm happy, and I'm happy because I got to know him more in the safe friendzone. It was a slow process but it was worth it.", ">\n\nI somewhat agree, but not everyone is lucky enough to have or can stay in social circles where you find your s/o.", ">\n\nI think it kinda boils down to the question, what was first, egg or chicken. You won't have full romantic relationship without sex and the same goes for lust based ones only.\nThis is bit of a myth that you can grow yourself a partner, especially after teenage phase, so you either hit or not into someone compatible making it a luck game, requiring lot of volume to get some points. You can start with passionate sex and just score the best partner in the world or you can start with friendship and never make it till some phase.", ">\n\nIs their proof because my evidence says every time u do that she cheats and you lose a good friend", ">\n\nI actually don't think this is as unpopular as you might think. I think at least some people looking for a steamy romance are not necessarily thinking about a life partner, which is totally ok. In the context of looking for a life partner, this seems pretty common.\nThat said, there are some cases where I'd strongly disagree. Dating allows you to filter people out who have definite life incompatibilities with you. Falling for your friends is great if your friend is compatible with you, but sometimes they're not. I've fallen in love with two close friends, neither who I ever would have gone on a date with (both of them fell for me back). In the end, the friendships turned toxic and fell apart because we wanted things from each other that we actually weren't willing to give, given what we wanted from life. I've honestly had much better luck falling in lust with someone, hanging out with them to see if we're baseline compatible, if not long term, and going from there. This isn't like a one-size-fits-all, but there are definite reasons to date strangers.", ">\n\nI’m in a 5 year relationship with someone who I was friends with. I knew him for like ten years now. I do disagree tho, we definitely had a honeymoon phase", ">\n\nNo. This type of shit is what leads mfs that you just want to be friends with to have some false ass hope for the future. I hate this and if someone just wants to be friends they just want to be friends. I'm not saying it never happens but 9/10 if you don't see them that way..... you never will", ">\n\nI started dating my now wife after we were friends for four years. Sparks are overrated.", ">\n\nI wasn't looking for a relationship. Eventually it just happened.", ">\n\nI fell for my husband after being friends for seven months. I had no initial attraction to him, we were just in the same field in doctoral school and interacted a lot. I was actually in another relationship when I first met him. It wasn’t until we worked closely together and got to know each other on a deeper level months later that a spark started to form. After all those months, I suddenly felt such a deep attraction to him I couldn’t ignore it. \nAll of my previous relationships were like that too. I have never felt instant attraction to any person. It always had to grow with time.", ">\n\nThat's how it worked out for me.", ">\n\nI already knew all of those things about my wife because I was working a crap job for low pay when we met. The entire reason I went back to school was for her. It still took four more years to finish my degree and I didn’t have very much money or time between work and school. She stuck with me through those hard times. I didn’t have to just be her friend but she definitely let it be known that she wouldn’t marry me until I finished college. :)", ">\n\nVery true in my case. I didn’t notice him for years. Then we were just friends. Then best friends. Then best friends that say “I love you” to each-other. But finally i resized my true feelings. Ive been with him 2 long years. I wish I loved him sooner because he’s amazing.", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups, too.", ">\n\nMaybe, but I dont ruin friendships cuz they are valuable so no." ]
> Burying the lede, it’s just better than apps, which are fake as fuck and inflate your self worth.
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).", ">\n\nIf you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. \nA romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail", ">\n\nI met my wife in a bar. I was drunk as shit and my pickup line was \"You're cute, wanna make out?\"\nShe said \"hell no\", but I talked to her again the next day when I was sober and we hit it off instantly. \nI think the best relationships just don't involve the games, or one person chasing until the other finally settles and gives in.", ">\n\nThis is at least plausible. I agree that the strongest romantic relationships contain an element of robust friendship, but I'm not sure that you need to START like this first. It's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.", ">\n\n\nIt's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.\n\nI really think this is what happened between my wife and I. We met online gaming in 2000. That doesn't sound revolutinary by today's standards but then it was. We talked more and more and it just kind of developed that we were friends, then it moved to RL and not just games. We became best friends and lovers all at the same time. Been together ever since.", ">\n\n\nWe met online gaming in 2000. Been together ever since.\n\nDon't give redditors too much hope..\njk congrats!", ">\n\nLOL. It was a text based online trivia game. No photos no voice. Just text. You really get to know someone that way. No distractions.", ">\n\nAgreeable. I wouldnt say \"The strongest romantic relationships\" HAVE to start that way, but the ones that do tend to be strong romantic relationships.", ">\n\nI think you’re projecting. My 25 years-and-counting relationship with my wife started out on a foundation of raw, animalistic lust.", ">\n\nBut on the other hand there are plenty of people that are best friends, try to date and realize they have no romantic thing, and afterwards it's getting weird etc. \nYou need a romantic and friendship-base, if you want to stay happy togehter. But what comes first is basically irrelevant.", ">\n\nThat’s great since every time I’ve caught feelings for a friend I also lost them as a friend", ">\n\nThe trick is to not stare at them intently for too long at a time", ">\n\nPeople struggle with dating because of these types of opinions. There is no one way to develop a good relationship, there are many. And one way that works for some people can be the exact reason it fails for others. It depends on everyone involved.", ">\n\nTotally agree, I was friends with my wife for 2 years before we began dating. We will be having our 15th wedding anniversary in a couple weeks.", ">\n\nCongratulations! Yay for best friends!!", ">\n\nI sorta disagree, from personal experience.\nWhen I dated someone who I'd been friends with for years, it didn't turn out well. Yeah sure, I knew the bad and good things about them. But that's a double edged sword, because they figured that I would 'be okay with' the same things now that we were in a relationship. There was nothing new for me to learn about him and no bonding experiences that could help us know each other deeper/better, because we already knew each other incredibly well. He wouldn't shut up about his ex before or during our relationship. I gave him an ultimatum and he only continued. I broke up with him and then became an ex he won't shut up about. \nHowever, when I met my current long distance partner, we only knew each other a month before getting together, as there was relatively quick mutual attraction. Our relationship is now 5 years strong and learning new things about them is/has been a bonding experience that I didn't have with the aforementioned ex of mine.\nSo, I think this isn't true in all cases.", ">\n\nI think you don't mean the strongest but safest. All of the things you mentioned are found in long term partners of dating apps and such as well, but of course they also might not be.\nWhat you're describing is every long term relationship. The trust building, the friendship. And yes you don't always find that on dating apps vs being friends first. But dating apps offer you a large pool to chose from which is generally much larger than your friend group.\nBut you also have to remember the downsides of dating a friend too. If it doesn't work out what happens to your friendship or friend group? Were you just friends to get close enough to date because that's kinda shitty. Not to mention it's hard to know if they're actually like you or don't want to lose a friend so go along with it.", ">\n\nNot for me, I've been with A LOT of people, I've dated a few as well. My current gf and future wife met when she came into my shop to get piercings done with her friends, she called the shop afterwards and we had sex the next day. We have been dating ever since ( 3 years ) and she Is the first woman I trust completely and feel comfortable and know I want to spend my entire life with her, my last relationship was 9 years, we were friends before that, the one before that was 6 years, also friends before. So, no, there really is no rules for making the \"perfect relationship\". My \"one night stand\" turned into the woman im going to spend my life with. Seems others have pointed this out as well. This is projection", ">\n\nMy friend found his first girlfriend on Tindr and she was an abusive narcassist (he left her thank god)\nI was a platonic friend with my bf for 3 years before dating him, and we love each other so fucking much", ">\n\nGood for you!\nNonetheless, all scenarios exist around the same percentage:\n- starting as friends becoming good romantic\n- starting as friends and not being good romantic partners\n- starting as a date/lust and becoming good romantically\n- starting as a date/lust and it does not work out", ">\n\nNot the same percentage, OP is right that you'll find a fulfilling relationship more often in person and starting off as friends.", ">\n\nNot that I don’t believe you, but do you have a source?\nThe best relationships I know are from people in the middle: dating, never knew (or interacted with) each other but taking it slow. People who jump too quickly end up fighting, and the people who were friends for so long do manage, but at the end it seems they do divorce because the spark is gone\nAgain, got no proof for that. Just what it seems", ">\n\nYou're asking me for sauce and yet you have failed to provide sauce yourself for your claim that all relationship types are equally occuring. You can only make a subjetive opinion on the matter and our views will be completely different because experiences are uniaue to the individual.\nPeople who enter marriages quickly end up leaving soon because they failed to know each other better. But instead of dating, they could've literally been friends for a long time and that qualifies for 'getting to know each other' and so jumping into marriage might end up being long term. I guess its dofferent for everyone, but I always wanted to meet my partner in real life either at study or work because I know we would be similar on those grounds. I did and I'm happy, and I'm happy because I got to know him more in the safe friendzone. It was a slow process but it was worth it.", ">\n\nI somewhat agree, but not everyone is lucky enough to have or can stay in social circles where you find your s/o.", ">\n\nI think it kinda boils down to the question, what was first, egg or chicken. You won't have full romantic relationship without sex and the same goes for lust based ones only.\nThis is bit of a myth that you can grow yourself a partner, especially after teenage phase, so you either hit or not into someone compatible making it a luck game, requiring lot of volume to get some points. You can start with passionate sex and just score the best partner in the world or you can start with friendship and never make it till some phase.", ">\n\nIs their proof because my evidence says every time u do that she cheats and you lose a good friend", ">\n\nI actually don't think this is as unpopular as you might think. I think at least some people looking for a steamy romance are not necessarily thinking about a life partner, which is totally ok. In the context of looking for a life partner, this seems pretty common.\nThat said, there are some cases where I'd strongly disagree. Dating allows you to filter people out who have definite life incompatibilities with you. Falling for your friends is great if your friend is compatible with you, but sometimes they're not. I've fallen in love with two close friends, neither who I ever would have gone on a date with (both of them fell for me back). In the end, the friendships turned toxic and fell apart because we wanted things from each other that we actually weren't willing to give, given what we wanted from life. I've honestly had much better luck falling in lust with someone, hanging out with them to see if we're baseline compatible, if not long term, and going from there. This isn't like a one-size-fits-all, but there are definite reasons to date strangers.", ">\n\nI’m in a 5 year relationship with someone who I was friends with. I knew him for like ten years now. I do disagree tho, we definitely had a honeymoon phase", ">\n\nNo. This type of shit is what leads mfs that you just want to be friends with to have some false ass hope for the future. I hate this and if someone just wants to be friends they just want to be friends. I'm not saying it never happens but 9/10 if you don't see them that way..... you never will", ">\n\nI started dating my now wife after we were friends for four years. Sparks are overrated.", ">\n\nI wasn't looking for a relationship. Eventually it just happened.", ">\n\nI fell for my husband after being friends for seven months. I had no initial attraction to him, we were just in the same field in doctoral school and interacted a lot. I was actually in another relationship when I first met him. It wasn’t until we worked closely together and got to know each other on a deeper level months later that a spark started to form. After all those months, I suddenly felt such a deep attraction to him I couldn’t ignore it. \nAll of my previous relationships were like that too. I have never felt instant attraction to any person. It always had to grow with time.", ">\n\nThat's how it worked out for me.", ">\n\nI already knew all of those things about my wife because I was working a crap job for low pay when we met. The entire reason I went back to school was for her. It still took four more years to finish my degree and I didn’t have very much money or time between work and school. She stuck with me through those hard times. I didn’t have to just be her friend but she definitely let it be known that she wouldn’t marry me until I finished college. :)", ">\n\nVery true in my case. I didn’t notice him for years. Then we were just friends. Then best friends. Then best friends that say “I love you” to each-other. But finally i resized my true feelings. Ive been with him 2 long years. I wish I loved him sooner because he’s amazing.", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups, too.", ">\n\nMaybe, but I dont ruin friendships cuz they are valuable so no.", ">\n\nThis is so true. Friends first! I met my fiance on Facebook through our college class group. I dm'd her first and we spoke for three months as really good friends before meeting in person in the fall. That first week we clicked and knew our intentions. We never expected to date. Fast forward 10 years later ( including 3 years of long distance), we have been living together for two years and get married in Oct. Til this day we love each other very much, and is because we see each other as best friends before partners." ]
> True imo the best relationships are the ones where both partners fully trust and know each other's
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).", ">\n\nIf you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. \nA romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail", ">\n\nI met my wife in a bar. I was drunk as shit and my pickup line was \"You're cute, wanna make out?\"\nShe said \"hell no\", but I talked to her again the next day when I was sober and we hit it off instantly. \nI think the best relationships just don't involve the games, or one person chasing until the other finally settles and gives in.", ">\n\nThis is at least plausible. I agree that the strongest romantic relationships contain an element of robust friendship, but I'm not sure that you need to START like this first. It's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.", ">\n\n\nIt's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.\n\nI really think this is what happened between my wife and I. We met online gaming in 2000. That doesn't sound revolutinary by today's standards but then it was. We talked more and more and it just kind of developed that we were friends, then it moved to RL and not just games. We became best friends and lovers all at the same time. Been together ever since.", ">\n\n\nWe met online gaming in 2000. Been together ever since.\n\nDon't give redditors too much hope..\njk congrats!", ">\n\nLOL. It was a text based online trivia game. No photos no voice. Just text. You really get to know someone that way. No distractions.", ">\n\nAgreeable. I wouldnt say \"The strongest romantic relationships\" HAVE to start that way, but the ones that do tend to be strong romantic relationships.", ">\n\nI think you’re projecting. My 25 years-and-counting relationship with my wife started out on a foundation of raw, animalistic lust.", ">\n\nBut on the other hand there are plenty of people that are best friends, try to date and realize they have no romantic thing, and afterwards it's getting weird etc. \nYou need a romantic and friendship-base, if you want to stay happy togehter. But what comes first is basically irrelevant.", ">\n\nThat’s great since every time I’ve caught feelings for a friend I also lost them as a friend", ">\n\nThe trick is to not stare at them intently for too long at a time", ">\n\nPeople struggle with dating because of these types of opinions. There is no one way to develop a good relationship, there are many. And one way that works for some people can be the exact reason it fails for others. It depends on everyone involved.", ">\n\nTotally agree, I was friends with my wife for 2 years before we began dating. We will be having our 15th wedding anniversary in a couple weeks.", ">\n\nCongratulations! Yay for best friends!!", ">\n\nI sorta disagree, from personal experience.\nWhen I dated someone who I'd been friends with for years, it didn't turn out well. Yeah sure, I knew the bad and good things about them. But that's a double edged sword, because they figured that I would 'be okay with' the same things now that we were in a relationship. There was nothing new for me to learn about him and no bonding experiences that could help us know each other deeper/better, because we already knew each other incredibly well. He wouldn't shut up about his ex before or during our relationship. I gave him an ultimatum and he only continued. I broke up with him and then became an ex he won't shut up about. \nHowever, when I met my current long distance partner, we only knew each other a month before getting together, as there was relatively quick mutual attraction. Our relationship is now 5 years strong and learning new things about them is/has been a bonding experience that I didn't have with the aforementioned ex of mine.\nSo, I think this isn't true in all cases.", ">\n\nI think you don't mean the strongest but safest. All of the things you mentioned are found in long term partners of dating apps and such as well, but of course they also might not be.\nWhat you're describing is every long term relationship. The trust building, the friendship. And yes you don't always find that on dating apps vs being friends first. But dating apps offer you a large pool to chose from which is generally much larger than your friend group.\nBut you also have to remember the downsides of dating a friend too. If it doesn't work out what happens to your friendship or friend group? Were you just friends to get close enough to date because that's kinda shitty. Not to mention it's hard to know if they're actually like you or don't want to lose a friend so go along with it.", ">\n\nNot for me, I've been with A LOT of people, I've dated a few as well. My current gf and future wife met when she came into my shop to get piercings done with her friends, she called the shop afterwards and we had sex the next day. We have been dating ever since ( 3 years ) and she Is the first woman I trust completely and feel comfortable and know I want to spend my entire life with her, my last relationship was 9 years, we were friends before that, the one before that was 6 years, also friends before. So, no, there really is no rules for making the \"perfect relationship\". My \"one night stand\" turned into the woman im going to spend my life with. Seems others have pointed this out as well. This is projection", ">\n\nMy friend found his first girlfriend on Tindr and she was an abusive narcassist (he left her thank god)\nI was a platonic friend with my bf for 3 years before dating him, and we love each other so fucking much", ">\n\nGood for you!\nNonetheless, all scenarios exist around the same percentage:\n- starting as friends becoming good romantic\n- starting as friends and not being good romantic partners\n- starting as a date/lust and becoming good romantically\n- starting as a date/lust and it does not work out", ">\n\nNot the same percentage, OP is right that you'll find a fulfilling relationship more often in person and starting off as friends.", ">\n\nNot that I don’t believe you, but do you have a source?\nThe best relationships I know are from people in the middle: dating, never knew (or interacted with) each other but taking it slow. People who jump too quickly end up fighting, and the people who were friends for so long do manage, but at the end it seems they do divorce because the spark is gone\nAgain, got no proof for that. Just what it seems", ">\n\nYou're asking me for sauce and yet you have failed to provide sauce yourself for your claim that all relationship types are equally occuring. You can only make a subjetive opinion on the matter and our views will be completely different because experiences are uniaue to the individual.\nPeople who enter marriages quickly end up leaving soon because they failed to know each other better. But instead of dating, they could've literally been friends for a long time and that qualifies for 'getting to know each other' and so jumping into marriage might end up being long term. I guess its dofferent for everyone, but I always wanted to meet my partner in real life either at study or work because I know we would be similar on those grounds. I did and I'm happy, and I'm happy because I got to know him more in the safe friendzone. It was a slow process but it was worth it.", ">\n\nI somewhat agree, but not everyone is lucky enough to have or can stay in social circles where you find your s/o.", ">\n\nI think it kinda boils down to the question, what was first, egg or chicken. You won't have full romantic relationship without sex and the same goes for lust based ones only.\nThis is bit of a myth that you can grow yourself a partner, especially after teenage phase, so you either hit or not into someone compatible making it a luck game, requiring lot of volume to get some points. You can start with passionate sex and just score the best partner in the world or you can start with friendship and never make it till some phase.", ">\n\nIs their proof because my evidence says every time u do that she cheats and you lose a good friend", ">\n\nI actually don't think this is as unpopular as you might think. I think at least some people looking for a steamy romance are not necessarily thinking about a life partner, which is totally ok. In the context of looking for a life partner, this seems pretty common.\nThat said, there are some cases where I'd strongly disagree. Dating allows you to filter people out who have definite life incompatibilities with you. Falling for your friends is great if your friend is compatible with you, but sometimes they're not. I've fallen in love with two close friends, neither who I ever would have gone on a date with (both of them fell for me back). In the end, the friendships turned toxic and fell apart because we wanted things from each other that we actually weren't willing to give, given what we wanted from life. I've honestly had much better luck falling in lust with someone, hanging out with them to see if we're baseline compatible, if not long term, and going from there. This isn't like a one-size-fits-all, but there are definite reasons to date strangers.", ">\n\nI’m in a 5 year relationship with someone who I was friends with. I knew him for like ten years now. I do disagree tho, we definitely had a honeymoon phase", ">\n\nNo. This type of shit is what leads mfs that you just want to be friends with to have some false ass hope for the future. I hate this and if someone just wants to be friends they just want to be friends. I'm not saying it never happens but 9/10 if you don't see them that way..... you never will", ">\n\nI started dating my now wife after we were friends for four years. Sparks are overrated.", ">\n\nI wasn't looking for a relationship. Eventually it just happened.", ">\n\nI fell for my husband after being friends for seven months. I had no initial attraction to him, we were just in the same field in doctoral school and interacted a lot. I was actually in another relationship when I first met him. It wasn’t until we worked closely together and got to know each other on a deeper level months later that a spark started to form. After all those months, I suddenly felt such a deep attraction to him I couldn’t ignore it. \nAll of my previous relationships were like that too. I have never felt instant attraction to any person. It always had to grow with time.", ">\n\nThat's how it worked out for me.", ">\n\nI already knew all of those things about my wife because I was working a crap job for low pay when we met. The entire reason I went back to school was for her. It still took four more years to finish my degree and I didn’t have very much money or time between work and school. She stuck with me through those hard times. I didn’t have to just be her friend but she definitely let it be known that she wouldn’t marry me until I finished college. :)", ">\n\nVery true in my case. I didn’t notice him for years. Then we were just friends. Then best friends. Then best friends that say “I love you” to each-other. But finally i resized my true feelings. Ive been with him 2 long years. I wish I loved him sooner because he’s amazing.", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups, too.", ">\n\nMaybe, but I dont ruin friendships cuz they are valuable so no.", ">\n\nThis is so true. Friends first! I met my fiance on Facebook through our college class group. I dm'd her first and we spoke for three months as really good friends before meeting in person in the fall. That first week we clicked and knew our intentions. We never expected to date. Fast forward 10 years later ( including 3 years of long distance), we have been living together for two years and get married in Oct. Til this day we love each other very much, and is because we see each other as best friends before partners.", ">\n\nBurying the lede, it’s just better than apps, which are fake as fuck and inflate your self worth." ]
> I agree, but also because I cannot develop feelings or a spark for someone without knowing them for a long time first. I have never just met a person and instantly had feelings for them.
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).", ">\n\nIf you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. \nA romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail", ">\n\nI met my wife in a bar. I was drunk as shit and my pickup line was \"You're cute, wanna make out?\"\nShe said \"hell no\", but I talked to her again the next day when I was sober and we hit it off instantly. \nI think the best relationships just don't involve the games, or one person chasing until the other finally settles and gives in.", ">\n\nThis is at least plausible. I agree that the strongest romantic relationships contain an element of robust friendship, but I'm not sure that you need to START like this first. It's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.", ">\n\n\nIt's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.\n\nI really think this is what happened between my wife and I. We met online gaming in 2000. That doesn't sound revolutinary by today's standards but then it was. We talked more and more and it just kind of developed that we were friends, then it moved to RL and not just games. We became best friends and lovers all at the same time. Been together ever since.", ">\n\n\nWe met online gaming in 2000. Been together ever since.\n\nDon't give redditors too much hope..\njk congrats!", ">\n\nLOL. It was a text based online trivia game. No photos no voice. Just text. You really get to know someone that way. No distractions.", ">\n\nAgreeable. I wouldnt say \"The strongest romantic relationships\" HAVE to start that way, but the ones that do tend to be strong romantic relationships.", ">\n\nI think you’re projecting. My 25 years-and-counting relationship with my wife started out on a foundation of raw, animalistic lust.", ">\n\nBut on the other hand there are plenty of people that are best friends, try to date and realize they have no romantic thing, and afterwards it's getting weird etc. \nYou need a romantic and friendship-base, if you want to stay happy togehter. But what comes first is basically irrelevant.", ">\n\nThat’s great since every time I’ve caught feelings for a friend I also lost them as a friend", ">\n\nThe trick is to not stare at them intently for too long at a time", ">\n\nPeople struggle with dating because of these types of opinions. There is no one way to develop a good relationship, there are many. And one way that works for some people can be the exact reason it fails for others. It depends on everyone involved.", ">\n\nTotally agree, I was friends with my wife for 2 years before we began dating. We will be having our 15th wedding anniversary in a couple weeks.", ">\n\nCongratulations! Yay for best friends!!", ">\n\nI sorta disagree, from personal experience.\nWhen I dated someone who I'd been friends with for years, it didn't turn out well. Yeah sure, I knew the bad and good things about them. But that's a double edged sword, because they figured that I would 'be okay with' the same things now that we were in a relationship. There was nothing new for me to learn about him and no bonding experiences that could help us know each other deeper/better, because we already knew each other incredibly well. He wouldn't shut up about his ex before or during our relationship. I gave him an ultimatum and he only continued. I broke up with him and then became an ex he won't shut up about. \nHowever, when I met my current long distance partner, we only knew each other a month before getting together, as there was relatively quick mutual attraction. Our relationship is now 5 years strong and learning new things about them is/has been a bonding experience that I didn't have with the aforementioned ex of mine.\nSo, I think this isn't true in all cases.", ">\n\nI think you don't mean the strongest but safest. All of the things you mentioned are found in long term partners of dating apps and such as well, but of course they also might not be.\nWhat you're describing is every long term relationship. The trust building, the friendship. And yes you don't always find that on dating apps vs being friends first. But dating apps offer you a large pool to chose from which is generally much larger than your friend group.\nBut you also have to remember the downsides of dating a friend too. If it doesn't work out what happens to your friendship or friend group? Were you just friends to get close enough to date because that's kinda shitty. Not to mention it's hard to know if they're actually like you or don't want to lose a friend so go along with it.", ">\n\nNot for me, I've been with A LOT of people, I've dated a few as well. My current gf and future wife met when she came into my shop to get piercings done with her friends, she called the shop afterwards and we had sex the next day. We have been dating ever since ( 3 years ) and she Is the first woman I trust completely and feel comfortable and know I want to spend my entire life with her, my last relationship was 9 years, we were friends before that, the one before that was 6 years, also friends before. So, no, there really is no rules for making the \"perfect relationship\". My \"one night stand\" turned into the woman im going to spend my life with. Seems others have pointed this out as well. This is projection", ">\n\nMy friend found his first girlfriend on Tindr and she was an abusive narcassist (he left her thank god)\nI was a platonic friend with my bf for 3 years before dating him, and we love each other so fucking much", ">\n\nGood for you!\nNonetheless, all scenarios exist around the same percentage:\n- starting as friends becoming good romantic\n- starting as friends and not being good romantic partners\n- starting as a date/lust and becoming good romantically\n- starting as a date/lust and it does not work out", ">\n\nNot the same percentage, OP is right that you'll find a fulfilling relationship more often in person and starting off as friends.", ">\n\nNot that I don’t believe you, but do you have a source?\nThe best relationships I know are from people in the middle: dating, never knew (or interacted with) each other but taking it slow. People who jump too quickly end up fighting, and the people who were friends for so long do manage, but at the end it seems they do divorce because the spark is gone\nAgain, got no proof for that. Just what it seems", ">\n\nYou're asking me for sauce and yet you have failed to provide sauce yourself for your claim that all relationship types are equally occuring. You can only make a subjetive opinion on the matter and our views will be completely different because experiences are uniaue to the individual.\nPeople who enter marriages quickly end up leaving soon because they failed to know each other better. But instead of dating, they could've literally been friends for a long time and that qualifies for 'getting to know each other' and so jumping into marriage might end up being long term. I guess its dofferent for everyone, but I always wanted to meet my partner in real life either at study or work because I know we would be similar on those grounds. I did and I'm happy, and I'm happy because I got to know him more in the safe friendzone. It was a slow process but it was worth it.", ">\n\nI somewhat agree, but not everyone is lucky enough to have or can stay in social circles where you find your s/o.", ">\n\nI think it kinda boils down to the question, what was first, egg or chicken. You won't have full romantic relationship without sex and the same goes for lust based ones only.\nThis is bit of a myth that you can grow yourself a partner, especially after teenage phase, so you either hit or not into someone compatible making it a luck game, requiring lot of volume to get some points. You can start with passionate sex and just score the best partner in the world or you can start with friendship and never make it till some phase.", ">\n\nIs their proof because my evidence says every time u do that she cheats and you lose a good friend", ">\n\nI actually don't think this is as unpopular as you might think. I think at least some people looking for a steamy romance are not necessarily thinking about a life partner, which is totally ok. In the context of looking for a life partner, this seems pretty common.\nThat said, there are some cases where I'd strongly disagree. Dating allows you to filter people out who have definite life incompatibilities with you. Falling for your friends is great if your friend is compatible with you, but sometimes they're not. I've fallen in love with two close friends, neither who I ever would have gone on a date with (both of them fell for me back). In the end, the friendships turned toxic and fell apart because we wanted things from each other that we actually weren't willing to give, given what we wanted from life. I've honestly had much better luck falling in lust with someone, hanging out with them to see if we're baseline compatible, if not long term, and going from there. This isn't like a one-size-fits-all, but there are definite reasons to date strangers.", ">\n\nI’m in a 5 year relationship with someone who I was friends with. I knew him for like ten years now. I do disagree tho, we definitely had a honeymoon phase", ">\n\nNo. This type of shit is what leads mfs that you just want to be friends with to have some false ass hope for the future. I hate this and if someone just wants to be friends they just want to be friends. I'm not saying it never happens but 9/10 if you don't see them that way..... you never will", ">\n\nI started dating my now wife after we were friends for four years. Sparks are overrated.", ">\n\nI wasn't looking for a relationship. Eventually it just happened.", ">\n\nI fell for my husband after being friends for seven months. I had no initial attraction to him, we were just in the same field in doctoral school and interacted a lot. I was actually in another relationship when I first met him. It wasn’t until we worked closely together and got to know each other on a deeper level months later that a spark started to form. After all those months, I suddenly felt such a deep attraction to him I couldn’t ignore it. \nAll of my previous relationships were like that too. I have never felt instant attraction to any person. It always had to grow with time.", ">\n\nThat's how it worked out for me.", ">\n\nI already knew all of those things about my wife because I was working a crap job for low pay when we met. The entire reason I went back to school was for her. It still took four more years to finish my degree and I didn’t have very much money or time between work and school. She stuck with me through those hard times. I didn’t have to just be her friend but she definitely let it be known that she wouldn’t marry me until I finished college. :)", ">\n\nVery true in my case. I didn’t notice him for years. Then we were just friends. Then best friends. Then best friends that say “I love you” to each-other. But finally i resized my true feelings. Ive been with him 2 long years. I wish I loved him sooner because he’s amazing.", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups, too.", ">\n\nMaybe, but I dont ruin friendships cuz they are valuable so no.", ">\n\nThis is so true. Friends first! I met my fiance on Facebook through our college class group. I dm'd her first and we spoke for three months as really good friends before meeting in person in the fall. That first week we clicked and knew our intentions. We never expected to date. Fast forward 10 years later ( including 3 years of long distance), we have been living together for two years and get married in Oct. Til this day we love each other very much, and is because we see each other as best friends before partners.", ">\n\nBurying the lede, it’s just better than apps, which are fake as fuck and inflate your self worth.", ">\n\nTrue imo the best relationships are the ones where both partners fully trust and know each other's" ]
> Completely the opposite in my opinion. Getting to know someone and having instant sparks and slowly falling in love as you get to know more about them is the best feeling in the world. Often times friends first also break up its just a lot more traumatic and you run a lot more risks about breaking up your friend group and stuff like that.
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).", ">\n\nIf you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. \nA romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail", ">\n\nI met my wife in a bar. I was drunk as shit and my pickup line was \"You're cute, wanna make out?\"\nShe said \"hell no\", but I talked to her again the next day when I was sober and we hit it off instantly. \nI think the best relationships just don't involve the games, or one person chasing until the other finally settles and gives in.", ">\n\nThis is at least plausible. I agree that the strongest romantic relationships contain an element of robust friendship, but I'm not sure that you need to START like this first. It's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.", ">\n\n\nIt's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.\n\nI really think this is what happened between my wife and I. We met online gaming in 2000. That doesn't sound revolutinary by today's standards but then it was. We talked more and more and it just kind of developed that we were friends, then it moved to RL and not just games. We became best friends and lovers all at the same time. Been together ever since.", ">\n\n\nWe met online gaming in 2000. Been together ever since.\n\nDon't give redditors too much hope..\njk congrats!", ">\n\nLOL. It was a text based online trivia game. No photos no voice. Just text. You really get to know someone that way. No distractions.", ">\n\nAgreeable. I wouldnt say \"The strongest romantic relationships\" HAVE to start that way, but the ones that do tend to be strong romantic relationships.", ">\n\nI think you’re projecting. My 25 years-and-counting relationship with my wife started out on a foundation of raw, animalistic lust.", ">\n\nBut on the other hand there are plenty of people that are best friends, try to date and realize they have no romantic thing, and afterwards it's getting weird etc. \nYou need a romantic and friendship-base, if you want to stay happy togehter. But what comes first is basically irrelevant.", ">\n\nThat’s great since every time I’ve caught feelings for a friend I also lost them as a friend", ">\n\nThe trick is to not stare at them intently for too long at a time", ">\n\nPeople struggle with dating because of these types of opinions. There is no one way to develop a good relationship, there are many. And one way that works for some people can be the exact reason it fails for others. It depends on everyone involved.", ">\n\nTotally agree, I was friends with my wife for 2 years before we began dating. We will be having our 15th wedding anniversary in a couple weeks.", ">\n\nCongratulations! Yay for best friends!!", ">\n\nI sorta disagree, from personal experience.\nWhen I dated someone who I'd been friends with for years, it didn't turn out well. Yeah sure, I knew the bad and good things about them. But that's a double edged sword, because they figured that I would 'be okay with' the same things now that we were in a relationship. There was nothing new for me to learn about him and no bonding experiences that could help us know each other deeper/better, because we already knew each other incredibly well. He wouldn't shut up about his ex before or during our relationship. I gave him an ultimatum and he only continued. I broke up with him and then became an ex he won't shut up about. \nHowever, when I met my current long distance partner, we only knew each other a month before getting together, as there was relatively quick mutual attraction. Our relationship is now 5 years strong and learning new things about them is/has been a bonding experience that I didn't have with the aforementioned ex of mine.\nSo, I think this isn't true in all cases.", ">\n\nI think you don't mean the strongest but safest. All of the things you mentioned are found in long term partners of dating apps and such as well, but of course they also might not be.\nWhat you're describing is every long term relationship. The trust building, the friendship. And yes you don't always find that on dating apps vs being friends first. But dating apps offer you a large pool to chose from which is generally much larger than your friend group.\nBut you also have to remember the downsides of dating a friend too. If it doesn't work out what happens to your friendship or friend group? Were you just friends to get close enough to date because that's kinda shitty. Not to mention it's hard to know if they're actually like you or don't want to lose a friend so go along with it.", ">\n\nNot for me, I've been with A LOT of people, I've dated a few as well. My current gf and future wife met when she came into my shop to get piercings done with her friends, she called the shop afterwards and we had sex the next day. We have been dating ever since ( 3 years ) and she Is the first woman I trust completely and feel comfortable and know I want to spend my entire life with her, my last relationship was 9 years, we were friends before that, the one before that was 6 years, also friends before. So, no, there really is no rules for making the \"perfect relationship\". My \"one night stand\" turned into the woman im going to spend my life with. Seems others have pointed this out as well. This is projection", ">\n\nMy friend found his first girlfriend on Tindr and she was an abusive narcassist (he left her thank god)\nI was a platonic friend with my bf for 3 years before dating him, and we love each other so fucking much", ">\n\nGood for you!\nNonetheless, all scenarios exist around the same percentage:\n- starting as friends becoming good romantic\n- starting as friends and not being good romantic partners\n- starting as a date/lust and becoming good romantically\n- starting as a date/lust and it does not work out", ">\n\nNot the same percentage, OP is right that you'll find a fulfilling relationship more often in person and starting off as friends.", ">\n\nNot that I don’t believe you, but do you have a source?\nThe best relationships I know are from people in the middle: dating, never knew (or interacted with) each other but taking it slow. People who jump too quickly end up fighting, and the people who were friends for so long do manage, but at the end it seems they do divorce because the spark is gone\nAgain, got no proof for that. Just what it seems", ">\n\nYou're asking me for sauce and yet you have failed to provide sauce yourself for your claim that all relationship types are equally occuring. You can only make a subjetive opinion on the matter and our views will be completely different because experiences are uniaue to the individual.\nPeople who enter marriages quickly end up leaving soon because they failed to know each other better. But instead of dating, they could've literally been friends for a long time and that qualifies for 'getting to know each other' and so jumping into marriage might end up being long term. I guess its dofferent for everyone, but I always wanted to meet my partner in real life either at study or work because I know we would be similar on those grounds. I did and I'm happy, and I'm happy because I got to know him more in the safe friendzone. It was a slow process but it was worth it.", ">\n\nI somewhat agree, but not everyone is lucky enough to have or can stay in social circles where you find your s/o.", ">\n\nI think it kinda boils down to the question, what was first, egg or chicken. You won't have full romantic relationship without sex and the same goes for lust based ones only.\nThis is bit of a myth that you can grow yourself a partner, especially after teenage phase, so you either hit or not into someone compatible making it a luck game, requiring lot of volume to get some points. You can start with passionate sex and just score the best partner in the world or you can start with friendship and never make it till some phase.", ">\n\nIs their proof because my evidence says every time u do that she cheats and you lose a good friend", ">\n\nI actually don't think this is as unpopular as you might think. I think at least some people looking for a steamy romance are not necessarily thinking about a life partner, which is totally ok. In the context of looking for a life partner, this seems pretty common.\nThat said, there are some cases where I'd strongly disagree. Dating allows you to filter people out who have definite life incompatibilities with you. Falling for your friends is great if your friend is compatible with you, but sometimes they're not. I've fallen in love with two close friends, neither who I ever would have gone on a date with (both of them fell for me back). In the end, the friendships turned toxic and fell apart because we wanted things from each other that we actually weren't willing to give, given what we wanted from life. I've honestly had much better luck falling in lust with someone, hanging out with them to see if we're baseline compatible, if not long term, and going from there. This isn't like a one-size-fits-all, but there are definite reasons to date strangers.", ">\n\nI’m in a 5 year relationship with someone who I was friends with. I knew him for like ten years now. I do disagree tho, we definitely had a honeymoon phase", ">\n\nNo. This type of shit is what leads mfs that you just want to be friends with to have some false ass hope for the future. I hate this and if someone just wants to be friends they just want to be friends. I'm not saying it never happens but 9/10 if you don't see them that way..... you never will", ">\n\nI started dating my now wife after we were friends for four years. Sparks are overrated.", ">\n\nI wasn't looking for a relationship. Eventually it just happened.", ">\n\nI fell for my husband after being friends for seven months. I had no initial attraction to him, we were just in the same field in doctoral school and interacted a lot. I was actually in another relationship when I first met him. It wasn’t until we worked closely together and got to know each other on a deeper level months later that a spark started to form. After all those months, I suddenly felt such a deep attraction to him I couldn’t ignore it. \nAll of my previous relationships were like that too. I have never felt instant attraction to any person. It always had to grow with time.", ">\n\nThat's how it worked out for me.", ">\n\nI already knew all of those things about my wife because I was working a crap job for low pay when we met. The entire reason I went back to school was for her. It still took four more years to finish my degree and I didn’t have very much money or time between work and school. She stuck with me through those hard times. I didn’t have to just be her friend but she definitely let it be known that she wouldn’t marry me until I finished college. :)", ">\n\nVery true in my case. I didn’t notice him for years. Then we were just friends. Then best friends. Then best friends that say “I love you” to each-other. But finally i resized my true feelings. Ive been with him 2 long years. I wish I loved him sooner because he’s amazing.", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups, too.", ">\n\nMaybe, but I dont ruin friendships cuz they are valuable so no.", ">\n\nThis is so true. Friends first! I met my fiance on Facebook through our college class group. I dm'd her first and we spoke for three months as really good friends before meeting in person in the fall. That first week we clicked and knew our intentions. We never expected to date. Fast forward 10 years later ( including 3 years of long distance), we have been living together for two years and get married in Oct. Til this day we love each other very much, and is because we see each other as best friends before partners.", ">\n\nBurying the lede, it’s just better than apps, which are fake as fuck and inflate your self worth.", ">\n\nTrue imo the best relationships are the ones where both partners fully trust and know each other's", ">\n\nI agree, but also because I cannot develop feelings or a spark for someone without knowing them for a long time first. I have never just met a person and instantly had feelings for them." ]
> I disagree. The worst relationship i had was with my best friend. She and i were so fucking toxic to each other, that when we broke up and still had to see each other (Same group of friends), we had to wait 5 years until we were ready to be friends again. To all my fellow guys, don't date your female best friend, you'll end up losing a good friend
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).", ">\n\nIf you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. \nA romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail", ">\n\nI met my wife in a bar. I was drunk as shit and my pickup line was \"You're cute, wanna make out?\"\nShe said \"hell no\", but I talked to her again the next day when I was sober and we hit it off instantly. \nI think the best relationships just don't involve the games, or one person chasing until the other finally settles and gives in.", ">\n\nThis is at least plausible. I agree that the strongest romantic relationships contain an element of robust friendship, but I'm not sure that you need to START like this first. It's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.", ">\n\n\nIt's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.\n\nI really think this is what happened between my wife and I. We met online gaming in 2000. That doesn't sound revolutinary by today's standards but then it was. We talked more and more and it just kind of developed that we were friends, then it moved to RL and not just games. We became best friends and lovers all at the same time. Been together ever since.", ">\n\n\nWe met online gaming in 2000. Been together ever since.\n\nDon't give redditors too much hope..\njk congrats!", ">\n\nLOL. It was a text based online trivia game. No photos no voice. Just text. You really get to know someone that way. No distractions.", ">\n\nAgreeable. I wouldnt say \"The strongest romantic relationships\" HAVE to start that way, but the ones that do tend to be strong romantic relationships.", ">\n\nI think you’re projecting. My 25 years-and-counting relationship with my wife started out on a foundation of raw, animalistic lust.", ">\n\nBut on the other hand there are plenty of people that are best friends, try to date and realize they have no romantic thing, and afterwards it's getting weird etc. \nYou need a romantic and friendship-base, if you want to stay happy togehter. But what comes first is basically irrelevant.", ">\n\nThat’s great since every time I’ve caught feelings for a friend I also lost them as a friend", ">\n\nThe trick is to not stare at them intently for too long at a time", ">\n\nPeople struggle with dating because of these types of opinions. There is no one way to develop a good relationship, there are many. And one way that works for some people can be the exact reason it fails for others. It depends on everyone involved.", ">\n\nTotally agree, I was friends with my wife for 2 years before we began dating. We will be having our 15th wedding anniversary in a couple weeks.", ">\n\nCongratulations! Yay for best friends!!", ">\n\nI sorta disagree, from personal experience.\nWhen I dated someone who I'd been friends with for years, it didn't turn out well. Yeah sure, I knew the bad and good things about them. But that's a double edged sword, because they figured that I would 'be okay with' the same things now that we were in a relationship. There was nothing new for me to learn about him and no bonding experiences that could help us know each other deeper/better, because we already knew each other incredibly well. He wouldn't shut up about his ex before or during our relationship. I gave him an ultimatum and he only continued. I broke up with him and then became an ex he won't shut up about. \nHowever, when I met my current long distance partner, we only knew each other a month before getting together, as there was relatively quick mutual attraction. Our relationship is now 5 years strong and learning new things about them is/has been a bonding experience that I didn't have with the aforementioned ex of mine.\nSo, I think this isn't true in all cases.", ">\n\nI think you don't mean the strongest but safest. All of the things you mentioned are found in long term partners of dating apps and such as well, but of course they also might not be.\nWhat you're describing is every long term relationship. The trust building, the friendship. And yes you don't always find that on dating apps vs being friends first. But dating apps offer you a large pool to chose from which is generally much larger than your friend group.\nBut you also have to remember the downsides of dating a friend too. If it doesn't work out what happens to your friendship or friend group? Were you just friends to get close enough to date because that's kinda shitty. Not to mention it's hard to know if they're actually like you or don't want to lose a friend so go along with it.", ">\n\nNot for me, I've been with A LOT of people, I've dated a few as well. My current gf and future wife met when she came into my shop to get piercings done with her friends, she called the shop afterwards and we had sex the next day. We have been dating ever since ( 3 years ) and she Is the first woman I trust completely and feel comfortable and know I want to spend my entire life with her, my last relationship was 9 years, we were friends before that, the one before that was 6 years, also friends before. So, no, there really is no rules for making the \"perfect relationship\". My \"one night stand\" turned into the woman im going to spend my life with. Seems others have pointed this out as well. This is projection", ">\n\nMy friend found his first girlfriend on Tindr and she was an abusive narcassist (he left her thank god)\nI was a platonic friend with my bf for 3 years before dating him, and we love each other so fucking much", ">\n\nGood for you!\nNonetheless, all scenarios exist around the same percentage:\n- starting as friends becoming good romantic\n- starting as friends and not being good romantic partners\n- starting as a date/lust and becoming good romantically\n- starting as a date/lust and it does not work out", ">\n\nNot the same percentage, OP is right that you'll find a fulfilling relationship more often in person and starting off as friends.", ">\n\nNot that I don’t believe you, but do you have a source?\nThe best relationships I know are from people in the middle: dating, never knew (or interacted with) each other but taking it slow. People who jump too quickly end up fighting, and the people who were friends for so long do manage, but at the end it seems they do divorce because the spark is gone\nAgain, got no proof for that. Just what it seems", ">\n\nYou're asking me for sauce and yet you have failed to provide sauce yourself for your claim that all relationship types are equally occuring. You can only make a subjetive opinion on the matter and our views will be completely different because experiences are uniaue to the individual.\nPeople who enter marriages quickly end up leaving soon because they failed to know each other better. But instead of dating, they could've literally been friends for a long time and that qualifies for 'getting to know each other' and so jumping into marriage might end up being long term. I guess its dofferent for everyone, but I always wanted to meet my partner in real life either at study or work because I know we would be similar on those grounds. I did and I'm happy, and I'm happy because I got to know him more in the safe friendzone. It was a slow process but it was worth it.", ">\n\nI somewhat agree, but not everyone is lucky enough to have or can stay in social circles where you find your s/o.", ">\n\nI think it kinda boils down to the question, what was first, egg or chicken. You won't have full romantic relationship without sex and the same goes for lust based ones only.\nThis is bit of a myth that you can grow yourself a partner, especially after teenage phase, so you either hit or not into someone compatible making it a luck game, requiring lot of volume to get some points. You can start with passionate sex and just score the best partner in the world or you can start with friendship and never make it till some phase.", ">\n\nIs their proof because my evidence says every time u do that she cheats and you lose a good friend", ">\n\nI actually don't think this is as unpopular as you might think. I think at least some people looking for a steamy romance are not necessarily thinking about a life partner, which is totally ok. In the context of looking for a life partner, this seems pretty common.\nThat said, there are some cases where I'd strongly disagree. Dating allows you to filter people out who have definite life incompatibilities with you. Falling for your friends is great if your friend is compatible with you, but sometimes they're not. I've fallen in love with two close friends, neither who I ever would have gone on a date with (both of them fell for me back). In the end, the friendships turned toxic and fell apart because we wanted things from each other that we actually weren't willing to give, given what we wanted from life. I've honestly had much better luck falling in lust with someone, hanging out with them to see if we're baseline compatible, if not long term, and going from there. This isn't like a one-size-fits-all, but there are definite reasons to date strangers.", ">\n\nI’m in a 5 year relationship with someone who I was friends with. I knew him for like ten years now. I do disagree tho, we definitely had a honeymoon phase", ">\n\nNo. This type of shit is what leads mfs that you just want to be friends with to have some false ass hope for the future. I hate this and if someone just wants to be friends they just want to be friends. I'm not saying it never happens but 9/10 if you don't see them that way..... you never will", ">\n\nI started dating my now wife after we were friends for four years. Sparks are overrated.", ">\n\nI wasn't looking for a relationship. Eventually it just happened.", ">\n\nI fell for my husband after being friends for seven months. I had no initial attraction to him, we were just in the same field in doctoral school and interacted a lot. I was actually in another relationship when I first met him. It wasn’t until we worked closely together and got to know each other on a deeper level months later that a spark started to form. After all those months, I suddenly felt such a deep attraction to him I couldn’t ignore it. \nAll of my previous relationships were like that too. I have never felt instant attraction to any person. It always had to grow with time.", ">\n\nThat's how it worked out for me.", ">\n\nI already knew all of those things about my wife because I was working a crap job for low pay when we met. The entire reason I went back to school was for her. It still took four more years to finish my degree and I didn’t have very much money or time between work and school. She stuck with me through those hard times. I didn’t have to just be her friend but she definitely let it be known that she wouldn’t marry me until I finished college. :)", ">\n\nVery true in my case. I didn’t notice him for years. Then we were just friends. Then best friends. Then best friends that say “I love you” to each-other. But finally i resized my true feelings. Ive been with him 2 long years. I wish I loved him sooner because he’s amazing.", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups, too.", ">\n\nMaybe, but I dont ruin friendships cuz they are valuable so no.", ">\n\nThis is so true. Friends first! I met my fiance on Facebook through our college class group. I dm'd her first and we spoke for three months as really good friends before meeting in person in the fall. That first week we clicked and knew our intentions. We never expected to date. Fast forward 10 years later ( including 3 years of long distance), we have been living together for two years and get married in Oct. Til this day we love each other very much, and is because we see each other as best friends before partners.", ">\n\nBurying the lede, it’s just better than apps, which are fake as fuck and inflate your self worth.", ">\n\nTrue imo the best relationships are the ones where both partners fully trust and know each other's", ">\n\nI agree, but also because I cannot develop feelings or a spark for someone without knowing them for a long time first. I have never just met a person and instantly had feelings for them.", ">\n\nCompletely the opposite in my opinion. Getting to know someone and having instant sparks and slowly falling in love as you get to know more about them is the best feeling in the world. Often times friends first also break up its just a lot more traumatic and you run a lot more risks about breaking up your friend group and stuff like that." ]
> I think for some people it’s hard to break out of the mindset once you become friends that this person is meant for friendship. After categorizing some people as friends and others as potential love interests, it’s hard to break that boundary in your head.
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).", ">\n\nIf you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. \nA romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail", ">\n\nI met my wife in a bar. I was drunk as shit and my pickup line was \"You're cute, wanna make out?\"\nShe said \"hell no\", but I talked to her again the next day when I was sober and we hit it off instantly. \nI think the best relationships just don't involve the games, or one person chasing until the other finally settles and gives in.", ">\n\nThis is at least plausible. I agree that the strongest romantic relationships contain an element of robust friendship, but I'm not sure that you need to START like this first. It's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.", ">\n\n\nIt's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.\n\nI really think this is what happened between my wife and I. We met online gaming in 2000. That doesn't sound revolutinary by today's standards but then it was. We talked more and more and it just kind of developed that we were friends, then it moved to RL and not just games. We became best friends and lovers all at the same time. Been together ever since.", ">\n\n\nWe met online gaming in 2000. Been together ever since.\n\nDon't give redditors too much hope..\njk congrats!", ">\n\nLOL. It was a text based online trivia game. No photos no voice. Just text. You really get to know someone that way. No distractions.", ">\n\nAgreeable. I wouldnt say \"The strongest romantic relationships\" HAVE to start that way, but the ones that do tend to be strong romantic relationships.", ">\n\nI think you’re projecting. My 25 years-and-counting relationship with my wife started out on a foundation of raw, animalistic lust.", ">\n\nBut on the other hand there are plenty of people that are best friends, try to date and realize they have no romantic thing, and afterwards it's getting weird etc. \nYou need a romantic and friendship-base, if you want to stay happy togehter. But what comes first is basically irrelevant.", ">\n\nThat’s great since every time I’ve caught feelings for a friend I also lost them as a friend", ">\n\nThe trick is to not stare at them intently for too long at a time", ">\n\nPeople struggle with dating because of these types of opinions. There is no one way to develop a good relationship, there are many. And one way that works for some people can be the exact reason it fails for others. It depends on everyone involved.", ">\n\nTotally agree, I was friends with my wife for 2 years before we began dating. We will be having our 15th wedding anniversary in a couple weeks.", ">\n\nCongratulations! Yay for best friends!!", ">\n\nI sorta disagree, from personal experience.\nWhen I dated someone who I'd been friends with for years, it didn't turn out well. Yeah sure, I knew the bad and good things about them. But that's a double edged sword, because they figured that I would 'be okay with' the same things now that we were in a relationship. There was nothing new for me to learn about him and no bonding experiences that could help us know each other deeper/better, because we already knew each other incredibly well. He wouldn't shut up about his ex before or during our relationship. I gave him an ultimatum and he only continued. I broke up with him and then became an ex he won't shut up about. \nHowever, when I met my current long distance partner, we only knew each other a month before getting together, as there was relatively quick mutual attraction. Our relationship is now 5 years strong and learning new things about them is/has been a bonding experience that I didn't have with the aforementioned ex of mine.\nSo, I think this isn't true in all cases.", ">\n\nI think you don't mean the strongest but safest. All of the things you mentioned are found in long term partners of dating apps and such as well, but of course they also might not be.\nWhat you're describing is every long term relationship. The trust building, the friendship. And yes you don't always find that on dating apps vs being friends first. But dating apps offer you a large pool to chose from which is generally much larger than your friend group.\nBut you also have to remember the downsides of dating a friend too. If it doesn't work out what happens to your friendship or friend group? Were you just friends to get close enough to date because that's kinda shitty. Not to mention it's hard to know if they're actually like you or don't want to lose a friend so go along with it.", ">\n\nNot for me, I've been with A LOT of people, I've dated a few as well. My current gf and future wife met when she came into my shop to get piercings done with her friends, she called the shop afterwards and we had sex the next day. We have been dating ever since ( 3 years ) and she Is the first woman I trust completely and feel comfortable and know I want to spend my entire life with her, my last relationship was 9 years, we were friends before that, the one before that was 6 years, also friends before. So, no, there really is no rules for making the \"perfect relationship\". My \"one night stand\" turned into the woman im going to spend my life with. Seems others have pointed this out as well. This is projection", ">\n\nMy friend found his first girlfriend on Tindr and she was an abusive narcassist (he left her thank god)\nI was a platonic friend with my bf for 3 years before dating him, and we love each other so fucking much", ">\n\nGood for you!\nNonetheless, all scenarios exist around the same percentage:\n- starting as friends becoming good romantic\n- starting as friends and not being good romantic partners\n- starting as a date/lust and becoming good romantically\n- starting as a date/lust and it does not work out", ">\n\nNot the same percentage, OP is right that you'll find a fulfilling relationship more often in person and starting off as friends.", ">\n\nNot that I don’t believe you, but do you have a source?\nThe best relationships I know are from people in the middle: dating, never knew (or interacted with) each other but taking it slow. People who jump too quickly end up fighting, and the people who were friends for so long do manage, but at the end it seems they do divorce because the spark is gone\nAgain, got no proof for that. Just what it seems", ">\n\nYou're asking me for sauce and yet you have failed to provide sauce yourself for your claim that all relationship types are equally occuring. You can only make a subjetive opinion on the matter and our views will be completely different because experiences are uniaue to the individual.\nPeople who enter marriages quickly end up leaving soon because they failed to know each other better. But instead of dating, they could've literally been friends for a long time and that qualifies for 'getting to know each other' and so jumping into marriage might end up being long term. I guess its dofferent for everyone, but I always wanted to meet my partner in real life either at study or work because I know we would be similar on those grounds. I did and I'm happy, and I'm happy because I got to know him more in the safe friendzone. It was a slow process but it was worth it.", ">\n\nI somewhat agree, but not everyone is lucky enough to have or can stay in social circles where you find your s/o.", ">\n\nI think it kinda boils down to the question, what was first, egg or chicken. You won't have full romantic relationship without sex and the same goes for lust based ones only.\nThis is bit of a myth that you can grow yourself a partner, especially after teenage phase, so you either hit or not into someone compatible making it a luck game, requiring lot of volume to get some points. You can start with passionate sex and just score the best partner in the world or you can start with friendship and never make it till some phase.", ">\n\nIs their proof because my evidence says every time u do that she cheats and you lose a good friend", ">\n\nI actually don't think this is as unpopular as you might think. I think at least some people looking for a steamy romance are not necessarily thinking about a life partner, which is totally ok. In the context of looking for a life partner, this seems pretty common.\nThat said, there are some cases where I'd strongly disagree. Dating allows you to filter people out who have definite life incompatibilities with you. Falling for your friends is great if your friend is compatible with you, but sometimes they're not. I've fallen in love with two close friends, neither who I ever would have gone on a date with (both of them fell for me back). In the end, the friendships turned toxic and fell apart because we wanted things from each other that we actually weren't willing to give, given what we wanted from life. I've honestly had much better luck falling in lust with someone, hanging out with them to see if we're baseline compatible, if not long term, and going from there. This isn't like a one-size-fits-all, but there are definite reasons to date strangers.", ">\n\nI’m in a 5 year relationship with someone who I was friends with. I knew him for like ten years now. I do disagree tho, we definitely had a honeymoon phase", ">\n\nNo. This type of shit is what leads mfs that you just want to be friends with to have some false ass hope for the future. I hate this and if someone just wants to be friends they just want to be friends. I'm not saying it never happens but 9/10 if you don't see them that way..... you never will", ">\n\nI started dating my now wife after we were friends for four years. Sparks are overrated.", ">\n\nI wasn't looking for a relationship. Eventually it just happened.", ">\n\nI fell for my husband after being friends for seven months. I had no initial attraction to him, we were just in the same field in doctoral school and interacted a lot. I was actually in another relationship when I first met him. It wasn’t until we worked closely together and got to know each other on a deeper level months later that a spark started to form. After all those months, I suddenly felt such a deep attraction to him I couldn’t ignore it. \nAll of my previous relationships were like that too. I have never felt instant attraction to any person. It always had to grow with time.", ">\n\nThat's how it worked out for me.", ">\n\nI already knew all of those things about my wife because I was working a crap job for low pay when we met. The entire reason I went back to school was for her. It still took four more years to finish my degree and I didn’t have very much money or time between work and school. She stuck with me through those hard times. I didn’t have to just be her friend but she definitely let it be known that she wouldn’t marry me until I finished college. :)", ">\n\nVery true in my case. I didn’t notice him for years. Then we were just friends. Then best friends. Then best friends that say “I love you” to each-other. But finally i resized my true feelings. Ive been with him 2 long years. I wish I loved him sooner because he’s amazing.", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups, too.", ">\n\nMaybe, but I dont ruin friendships cuz they are valuable so no.", ">\n\nThis is so true. Friends first! I met my fiance on Facebook through our college class group. I dm'd her first and we spoke for three months as really good friends before meeting in person in the fall. That first week we clicked and knew our intentions. We never expected to date. Fast forward 10 years later ( including 3 years of long distance), we have been living together for two years and get married in Oct. Til this day we love each other very much, and is because we see each other as best friends before partners.", ">\n\nBurying the lede, it’s just better than apps, which are fake as fuck and inflate your self worth.", ">\n\nTrue imo the best relationships are the ones where both partners fully trust and know each other's", ">\n\nI agree, but also because I cannot develop feelings or a spark for someone without knowing them for a long time first. I have never just met a person and instantly had feelings for them.", ">\n\nCompletely the opposite in my opinion. Getting to know someone and having instant sparks and slowly falling in love as you get to know more about them is the best feeling in the world. Often times friends first also break up its just a lot more traumatic and you run a lot more risks about breaking up your friend group and stuff like that.", ">\n\nI disagree. The worst relationship i had was with my best friend. She and i were so fucking toxic to each other, that when we broke up and still had to see each other (Same group of friends), we had to wait 5 years until we were ready to be friends again. \nTo all my fellow guys, don't date your female best friend, you'll end up losing a good friend" ]
> If the relationship ended as not platonic then it was never platonic
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).", ">\n\nIf you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. \nA romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail", ">\n\nI met my wife in a bar. I was drunk as shit and my pickup line was \"You're cute, wanna make out?\"\nShe said \"hell no\", but I talked to her again the next day when I was sober and we hit it off instantly. \nI think the best relationships just don't involve the games, or one person chasing until the other finally settles and gives in.", ">\n\nThis is at least plausible. I agree that the strongest romantic relationships contain an element of robust friendship, but I'm not sure that you need to START like this first. It's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.", ">\n\n\nIt's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.\n\nI really think this is what happened between my wife and I. We met online gaming in 2000. That doesn't sound revolutinary by today's standards but then it was. We talked more and more and it just kind of developed that we were friends, then it moved to RL and not just games. We became best friends and lovers all at the same time. Been together ever since.", ">\n\n\nWe met online gaming in 2000. Been together ever since.\n\nDon't give redditors too much hope..\njk congrats!", ">\n\nLOL. It was a text based online trivia game. No photos no voice. Just text. You really get to know someone that way. No distractions.", ">\n\nAgreeable. I wouldnt say \"The strongest romantic relationships\" HAVE to start that way, but the ones that do tend to be strong romantic relationships.", ">\n\nI think you’re projecting. My 25 years-and-counting relationship with my wife started out on a foundation of raw, animalistic lust.", ">\n\nBut on the other hand there are plenty of people that are best friends, try to date and realize they have no romantic thing, and afterwards it's getting weird etc. \nYou need a romantic and friendship-base, if you want to stay happy togehter. But what comes first is basically irrelevant.", ">\n\nThat’s great since every time I’ve caught feelings for a friend I also lost them as a friend", ">\n\nThe trick is to not stare at them intently for too long at a time", ">\n\nPeople struggle with dating because of these types of opinions. There is no one way to develop a good relationship, there are many. And one way that works for some people can be the exact reason it fails for others. It depends on everyone involved.", ">\n\nTotally agree, I was friends with my wife for 2 years before we began dating. We will be having our 15th wedding anniversary in a couple weeks.", ">\n\nCongratulations! Yay for best friends!!", ">\n\nI sorta disagree, from personal experience.\nWhen I dated someone who I'd been friends with for years, it didn't turn out well. Yeah sure, I knew the bad and good things about them. But that's a double edged sword, because they figured that I would 'be okay with' the same things now that we were in a relationship. There was nothing new for me to learn about him and no bonding experiences that could help us know each other deeper/better, because we already knew each other incredibly well. He wouldn't shut up about his ex before or during our relationship. I gave him an ultimatum and he only continued. I broke up with him and then became an ex he won't shut up about. \nHowever, when I met my current long distance partner, we only knew each other a month before getting together, as there was relatively quick mutual attraction. Our relationship is now 5 years strong and learning new things about them is/has been a bonding experience that I didn't have with the aforementioned ex of mine.\nSo, I think this isn't true in all cases.", ">\n\nI think you don't mean the strongest but safest. All of the things you mentioned are found in long term partners of dating apps and such as well, but of course they also might not be.\nWhat you're describing is every long term relationship. The trust building, the friendship. And yes you don't always find that on dating apps vs being friends first. But dating apps offer you a large pool to chose from which is generally much larger than your friend group.\nBut you also have to remember the downsides of dating a friend too. If it doesn't work out what happens to your friendship or friend group? Were you just friends to get close enough to date because that's kinda shitty. Not to mention it's hard to know if they're actually like you or don't want to lose a friend so go along with it.", ">\n\nNot for me, I've been with A LOT of people, I've dated a few as well. My current gf and future wife met when she came into my shop to get piercings done with her friends, she called the shop afterwards and we had sex the next day. We have been dating ever since ( 3 years ) and she Is the first woman I trust completely and feel comfortable and know I want to spend my entire life with her, my last relationship was 9 years, we were friends before that, the one before that was 6 years, also friends before. So, no, there really is no rules for making the \"perfect relationship\". My \"one night stand\" turned into the woman im going to spend my life with. Seems others have pointed this out as well. This is projection", ">\n\nMy friend found his first girlfriend on Tindr and she was an abusive narcassist (he left her thank god)\nI was a platonic friend with my bf for 3 years before dating him, and we love each other so fucking much", ">\n\nGood for you!\nNonetheless, all scenarios exist around the same percentage:\n- starting as friends becoming good romantic\n- starting as friends and not being good romantic partners\n- starting as a date/lust and becoming good romantically\n- starting as a date/lust and it does not work out", ">\n\nNot the same percentage, OP is right that you'll find a fulfilling relationship more often in person and starting off as friends.", ">\n\nNot that I don’t believe you, but do you have a source?\nThe best relationships I know are from people in the middle: dating, never knew (or interacted with) each other but taking it slow. People who jump too quickly end up fighting, and the people who were friends for so long do manage, but at the end it seems they do divorce because the spark is gone\nAgain, got no proof for that. Just what it seems", ">\n\nYou're asking me for sauce and yet you have failed to provide sauce yourself for your claim that all relationship types are equally occuring. You can only make a subjetive opinion on the matter and our views will be completely different because experiences are uniaue to the individual.\nPeople who enter marriages quickly end up leaving soon because they failed to know each other better. But instead of dating, they could've literally been friends for a long time and that qualifies for 'getting to know each other' and so jumping into marriage might end up being long term. I guess its dofferent for everyone, but I always wanted to meet my partner in real life either at study or work because I know we would be similar on those grounds. I did and I'm happy, and I'm happy because I got to know him more in the safe friendzone. It was a slow process but it was worth it.", ">\n\nI somewhat agree, but not everyone is lucky enough to have or can stay in social circles where you find your s/o.", ">\n\nI think it kinda boils down to the question, what was first, egg or chicken. You won't have full romantic relationship without sex and the same goes for lust based ones only.\nThis is bit of a myth that you can grow yourself a partner, especially after teenage phase, so you either hit or not into someone compatible making it a luck game, requiring lot of volume to get some points. You can start with passionate sex and just score the best partner in the world or you can start with friendship and never make it till some phase.", ">\n\nIs their proof because my evidence says every time u do that she cheats and you lose a good friend", ">\n\nI actually don't think this is as unpopular as you might think. I think at least some people looking for a steamy romance are not necessarily thinking about a life partner, which is totally ok. In the context of looking for a life partner, this seems pretty common.\nThat said, there are some cases where I'd strongly disagree. Dating allows you to filter people out who have definite life incompatibilities with you. Falling for your friends is great if your friend is compatible with you, but sometimes they're not. I've fallen in love with two close friends, neither who I ever would have gone on a date with (both of them fell for me back). In the end, the friendships turned toxic and fell apart because we wanted things from each other that we actually weren't willing to give, given what we wanted from life. I've honestly had much better luck falling in lust with someone, hanging out with them to see if we're baseline compatible, if not long term, and going from there. This isn't like a one-size-fits-all, but there are definite reasons to date strangers.", ">\n\nI’m in a 5 year relationship with someone who I was friends with. I knew him for like ten years now. I do disagree tho, we definitely had a honeymoon phase", ">\n\nNo. This type of shit is what leads mfs that you just want to be friends with to have some false ass hope for the future. I hate this and if someone just wants to be friends they just want to be friends. I'm not saying it never happens but 9/10 if you don't see them that way..... you never will", ">\n\nI started dating my now wife after we were friends for four years. Sparks are overrated.", ">\n\nI wasn't looking for a relationship. Eventually it just happened.", ">\n\nI fell for my husband after being friends for seven months. I had no initial attraction to him, we were just in the same field in doctoral school and interacted a lot. I was actually in another relationship when I first met him. It wasn’t until we worked closely together and got to know each other on a deeper level months later that a spark started to form. After all those months, I suddenly felt such a deep attraction to him I couldn’t ignore it. \nAll of my previous relationships were like that too. I have never felt instant attraction to any person. It always had to grow with time.", ">\n\nThat's how it worked out for me.", ">\n\nI already knew all of those things about my wife because I was working a crap job for low pay when we met. The entire reason I went back to school was for her. It still took four more years to finish my degree and I didn’t have very much money or time between work and school. She stuck with me through those hard times. I didn’t have to just be her friend but she definitely let it be known that she wouldn’t marry me until I finished college. :)", ">\n\nVery true in my case. I didn’t notice him for years. Then we were just friends. Then best friends. Then best friends that say “I love you” to each-other. But finally i resized my true feelings. Ive been with him 2 long years. I wish I loved him sooner because he’s amazing.", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups, too.", ">\n\nMaybe, but I dont ruin friendships cuz they are valuable so no.", ">\n\nThis is so true. Friends first! I met my fiance on Facebook through our college class group. I dm'd her first and we spoke for three months as really good friends before meeting in person in the fall. That first week we clicked and knew our intentions. We never expected to date. Fast forward 10 years later ( including 3 years of long distance), we have been living together for two years and get married in Oct. Til this day we love each other very much, and is because we see each other as best friends before partners.", ">\n\nBurying the lede, it’s just better than apps, which are fake as fuck and inflate your self worth.", ">\n\nTrue imo the best relationships are the ones where both partners fully trust and know each other's", ">\n\nI agree, but also because I cannot develop feelings or a spark for someone without knowing them for a long time first. I have never just met a person and instantly had feelings for them.", ">\n\nCompletely the opposite in my opinion. Getting to know someone and having instant sparks and slowly falling in love as you get to know more about them is the best feeling in the world. Often times friends first also break up its just a lot more traumatic and you run a lot more risks about breaking up your friend group and stuff like that.", ">\n\nI disagree. The worst relationship i had was with my best friend. She and i were so fucking toxic to each other, that when we broke up and still had to see each other (Same group of friends), we had to wait 5 years until we were ready to be friends again. \nTo all my fellow guys, don't date your female best friend, you'll end up losing a good friend", ">\n\nI think for some people it’s hard to break out of the mindset once you become friends that this person is meant for friendship. After categorizing some people as friends and others as potential love interests, it’s hard to break that boundary in your head." ]
> The two best relationships I had were with people who we lived together first, became friends, and then lovers, and then partners. They were really sweet relationships and I hold them close to my heart. Because of this, my rule of thumb is friends first, lovers second and it’s never failed me.
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).", ">\n\nIf you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. \nA romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail", ">\n\nI met my wife in a bar. I was drunk as shit and my pickup line was \"You're cute, wanna make out?\"\nShe said \"hell no\", but I talked to her again the next day when I was sober and we hit it off instantly. \nI think the best relationships just don't involve the games, or one person chasing until the other finally settles and gives in.", ">\n\nThis is at least plausible. I agree that the strongest romantic relationships contain an element of robust friendship, but I'm not sure that you need to START like this first. It's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.", ">\n\n\nIt's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.\n\nI really think this is what happened between my wife and I. We met online gaming in 2000. That doesn't sound revolutinary by today's standards but then it was. We talked more and more and it just kind of developed that we were friends, then it moved to RL and not just games. We became best friends and lovers all at the same time. Been together ever since.", ">\n\n\nWe met online gaming in 2000. Been together ever since.\n\nDon't give redditors too much hope..\njk congrats!", ">\n\nLOL. It was a text based online trivia game. No photos no voice. Just text. You really get to know someone that way. No distractions.", ">\n\nAgreeable. I wouldnt say \"The strongest romantic relationships\" HAVE to start that way, but the ones that do tend to be strong romantic relationships.", ">\n\nI think you’re projecting. My 25 years-and-counting relationship with my wife started out on a foundation of raw, animalistic lust.", ">\n\nBut on the other hand there are plenty of people that are best friends, try to date and realize they have no romantic thing, and afterwards it's getting weird etc. \nYou need a romantic and friendship-base, if you want to stay happy togehter. But what comes first is basically irrelevant.", ">\n\nThat’s great since every time I’ve caught feelings for a friend I also lost them as a friend", ">\n\nThe trick is to not stare at them intently for too long at a time", ">\n\nPeople struggle with dating because of these types of opinions. There is no one way to develop a good relationship, there are many. And one way that works for some people can be the exact reason it fails for others. It depends on everyone involved.", ">\n\nTotally agree, I was friends with my wife for 2 years before we began dating. We will be having our 15th wedding anniversary in a couple weeks.", ">\n\nCongratulations! Yay for best friends!!", ">\n\nI sorta disagree, from personal experience.\nWhen I dated someone who I'd been friends with for years, it didn't turn out well. Yeah sure, I knew the bad and good things about them. But that's a double edged sword, because they figured that I would 'be okay with' the same things now that we were in a relationship. There was nothing new for me to learn about him and no bonding experiences that could help us know each other deeper/better, because we already knew each other incredibly well. He wouldn't shut up about his ex before or during our relationship. I gave him an ultimatum and he only continued. I broke up with him and then became an ex he won't shut up about. \nHowever, when I met my current long distance partner, we only knew each other a month before getting together, as there was relatively quick mutual attraction. Our relationship is now 5 years strong and learning new things about them is/has been a bonding experience that I didn't have with the aforementioned ex of mine.\nSo, I think this isn't true in all cases.", ">\n\nI think you don't mean the strongest but safest. All of the things you mentioned are found in long term partners of dating apps and such as well, but of course they also might not be.\nWhat you're describing is every long term relationship. The trust building, the friendship. And yes you don't always find that on dating apps vs being friends first. But dating apps offer you a large pool to chose from which is generally much larger than your friend group.\nBut you also have to remember the downsides of dating a friend too. If it doesn't work out what happens to your friendship or friend group? Were you just friends to get close enough to date because that's kinda shitty. Not to mention it's hard to know if they're actually like you or don't want to lose a friend so go along with it.", ">\n\nNot for me, I've been with A LOT of people, I've dated a few as well. My current gf and future wife met when she came into my shop to get piercings done with her friends, she called the shop afterwards and we had sex the next day. We have been dating ever since ( 3 years ) and she Is the first woman I trust completely and feel comfortable and know I want to spend my entire life with her, my last relationship was 9 years, we were friends before that, the one before that was 6 years, also friends before. So, no, there really is no rules for making the \"perfect relationship\". My \"one night stand\" turned into the woman im going to spend my life with. Seems others have pointed this out as well. This is projection", ">\n\nMy friend found his first girlfriend on Tindr and she was an abusive narcassist (he left her thank god)\nI was a platonic friend with my bf for 3 years before dating him, and we love each other so fucking much", ">\n\nGood for you!\nNonetheless, all scenarios exist around the same percentage:\n- starting as friends becoming good romantic\n- starting as friends and not being good romantic partners\n- starting as a date/lust and becoming good romantically\n- starting as a date/lust and it does not work out", ">\n\nNot the same percentage, OP is right that you'll find a fulfilling relationship more often in person and starting off as friends.", ">\n\nNot that I don’t believe you, but do you have a source?\nThe best relationships I know are from people in the middle: dating, never knew (or interacted with) each other but taking it slow. People who jump too quickly end up fighting, and the people who were friends for so long do manage, but at the end it seems they do divorce because the spark is gone\nAgain, got no proof for that. Just what it seems", ">\n\nYou're asking me for sauce and yet you have failed to provide sauce yourself for your claim that all relationship types are equally occuring. You can only make a subjetive opinion on the matter and our views will be completely different because experiences are uniaue to the individual.\nPeople who enter marriages quickly end up leaving soon because they failed to know each other better. But instead of dating, they could've literally been friends for a long time and that qualifies for 'getting to know each other' and so jumping into marriage might end up being long term. I guess its dofferent for everyone, but I always wanted to meet my partner in real life either at study or work because I know we would be similar on those grounds. I did and I'm happy, and I'm happy because I got to know him more in the safe friendzone. It was a slow process but it was worth it.", ">\n\nI somewhat agree, but not everyone is lucky enough to have or can stay in social circles where you find your s/o.", ">\n\nI think it kinda boils down to the question, what was first, egg or chicken. You won't have full romantic relationship without sex and the same goes for lust based ones only.\nThis is bit of a myth that you can grow yourself a partner, especially after teenage phase, so you either hit or not into someone compatible making it a luck game, requiring lot of volume to get some points. You can start with passionate sex and just score the best partner in the world or you can start with friendship and never make it till some phase.", ">\n\nIs their proof because my evidence says every time u do that she cheats and you lose a good friend", ">\n\nI actually don't think this is as unpopular as you might think. I think at least some people looking for a steamy romance are not necessarily thinking about a life partner, which is totally ok. In the context of looking for a life partner, this seems pretty common.\nThat said, there are some cases where I'd strongly disagree. Dating allows you to filter people out who have definite life incompatibilities with you. Falling for your friends is great if your friend is compatible with you, but sometimes they're not. I've fallen in love with two close friends, neither who I ever would have gone on a date with (both of them fell for me back). In the end, the friendships turned toxic and fell apart because we wanted things from each other that we actually weren't willing to give, given what we wanted from life. I've honestly had much better luck falling in lust with someone, hanging out with them to see if we're baseline compatible, if not long term, and going from there. This isn't like a one-size-fits-all, but there are definite reasons to date strangers.", ">\n\nI’m in a 5 year relationship with someone who I was friends with. I knew him for like ten years now. I do disagree tho, we definitely had a honeymoon phase", ">\n\nNo. This type of shit is what leads mfs that you just want to be friends with to have some false ass hope for the future. I hate this and if someone just wants to be friends they just want to be friends. I'm not saying it never happens but 9/10 if you don't see them that way..... you never will", ">\n\nI started dating my now wife after we were friends for four years. Sparks are overrated.", ">\n\nI wasn't looking for a relationship. Eventually it just happened.", ">\n\nI fell for my husband after being friends for seven months. I had no initial attraction to him, we were just in the same field in doctoral school and interacted a lot. I was actually in another relationship when I first met him. It wasn’t until we worked closely together and got to know each other on a deeper level months later that a spark started to form. After all those months, I suddenly felt such a deep attraction to him I couldn’t ignore it. \nAll of my previous relationships were like that too. I have never felt instant attraction to any person. It always had to grow with time.", ">\n\nThat's how it worked out for me.", ">\n\nI already knew all of those things about my wife because I was working a crap job for low pay when we met. The entire reason I went back to school was for her. It still took four more years to finish my degree and I didn’t have very much money or time between work and school. She stuck with me through those hard times. I didn’t have to just be her friend but she definitely let it be known that she wouldn’t marry me until I finished college. :)", ">\n\nVery true in my case. I didn’t notice him for years. Then we were just friends. Then best friends. Then best friends that say “I love you” to each-other. But finally i resized my true feelings. Ive been with him 2 long years. I wish I loved him sooner because he’s amazing.", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups, too.", ">\n\nMaybe, but I dont ruin friendships cuz they are valuable so no.", ">\n\nThis is so true. Friends first! I met my fiance on Facebook through our college class group. I dm'd her first and we spoke for three months as really good friends before meeting in person in the fall. That first week we clicked and knew our intentions. We never expected to date. Fast forward 10 years later ( including 3 years of long distance), we have been living together for two years and get married in Oct. Til this day we love each other very much, and is because we see each other as best friends before partners.", ">\n\nBurying the lede, it’s just better than apps, which are fake as fuck and inflate your self worth.", ">\n\nTrue imo the best relationships are the ones where both partners fully trust and know each other's", ">\n\nI agree, but also because I cannot develop feelings or a spark for someone without knowing them for a long time first. I have never just met a person and instantly had feelings for them.", ">\n\nCompletely the opposite in my opinion. Getting to know someone and having instant sparks and slowly falling in love as you get to know more about them is the best feeling in the world. Often times friends first also break up its just a lot more traumatic and you run a lot more risks about breaking up your friend group and stuff like that.", ">\n\nI disagree. The worst relationship i had was with my best friend. She and i were so fucking toxic to each other, that when we broke up and still had to see each other (Same group of friends), we had to wait 5 years until we were ready to be friends again. \nTo all my fellow guys, don't date your female best friend, you'll end up losing a good friend", ">\n\nI think for some people it’s hard to break out of the mindset once you become friends that this person is meant for friendship. After categorizing some people as friends and others as potential love interests, it’s hard to break that boundary in your head.", ">\n\nIf the relationship ended as not platonic then it was never platonic" ]
> My rule of thumb is the same, too. All for reasons outlined in this post.
[ "I was good friends with my husband for about 8 years before we started dating. I think we both just needed to grow up a bit. But when we told our friend group we started dating the general reactions was \"about time!\" So I guess it was obvious to everyone but us lol.", ">\n\nMe and my first wife were like rhat", ">\n\nThen what happened?", ">\n\nThen you get told \"I wish I met someone like you.\"", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups,", ">\n\nSometimes. A better phrase would be that the strongest romantic relationships are also the strongest friendships.\nAlso The honeymoon phase is all relationships. Friendships and lovers. It tends to stop in all relationship when kids get involved 😬", ">\n\nEh, I agree with OP and think it's unpopular because the number of people who meet this way is plummeting, so the acknowledgement makes those people feel insecure.\nOf course you can start a relationship romantically and have it remain successful indefinitely as long as you also build friendship along the way. But there are two key areas this method can never truly replicate:\n\n\nHaving your respect for someone develop 100% independently of your attraction to them. I know a fair number of couples that can't seem to untangle respect and attraction. So when their partner falls in attractiveness it also lowers their overall respect for them. Sometimes that tracks... But sometimes it doesn't (for example, after kids when both people are too tired muster much attraction). Eventually, it leads to problems.\n\n\nAccountability. When you meet through and share a community, there are repercussions for acting a fool. When your only connection to each other is your relationship, there is less incentive to remain civil because you won't be judged/punished by 3rd parties if you don't.\n\n\nIf you look at the complaints that GenZ and younger Millennials have about dating, a lot them can be summed up as \"I'm being treated like a commodity, not like a person.\" Having mutual social ties prevents a lot of that.\nI 100% agree with you about the Honeymoon phase though. After 3 years of being close friends, I started dating my now fiance. Strongest Honeymoon phase I've ever experienced, and also the longest - it's yet to end two years in (and we won't be having kids, so maybe it never will).", ">\n\nIf you meet somebody you’re attracted to, there is no reason you can’t build your romantic relationship along with your friendship. This is typically what i did in all of my relationships. If we couldn’t connect on a more in depth way than attraction, the relationship didn’t last long enough to even call it a relationship. \nA romantic relationship isn’t different than any other except romantic ones tend to involve people feeling more intimate with each other. But it’s the same as if you meet somebody you could never be attracted to. You get to know them. It’s all just regular relationship stuff. If you get into a relationship and don’t bond with that person, friendship or romantic or even family, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a fail", ">\n\nI met my wife in a bar. I was drunk as shit and my pickup line was \"You're cute, wanna make out?\"\nShe said \"hell no\", but I talked to her again the next day when I was sober and we hit it off instantly. \nI think the best relationships just don't involve the games, or one person chasing until the other finally settles and gives in.", ">\n\nThis is at least plausible. I agree that the strongest romantic relationships contain an element of robust friendship, but I'm not sure that you need to START like this first. It's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.", ">\n\n\nIt's possible to develop romance and friendship concurrently.\n\nI really think this is what happened between my wife and I. We met online gaming in 2000. That doesn't sound revolutinary by today's standards but then it was. We talked more and more and it just kind of developed that we were friends, then it moved to RL and not just games. We became best friends and lovers all at the same time. Been together ever since.", ">\n\n\nWe met online gaming in 2000. Been together ever since.\n\nDon't give redditors too much hope..\njk congrats!", ">\n\nLOL. It was a text based online trivia game. No photos no voice. Just text. You really get to know someone that way. No distractions.", ">\n\nAgreeable. I wouldnt say \"The strongest romantic relationships\" HAVE to start that way, but the ones that do tend to be strong romantic relationships.", ">\n\nI think you’re projecting. My 25 years-and-counting relationship with my wife started out on a foundation of raw, animalistic lust.", ">\n\nBut on the other hand there are plenty of people that are best friends, try to date and realize they have no romantic thing, and afterwards it's getting weird etc. \nYou need a romantic and friendship-base, if you want to stay happy togehter. But what comes first is basically irrelevant.", ">\n\nThat’s great since every time I’ve caught feelings for a friend I also lost them as a friend", ">\n\nThe trick is to not stare at them intently for too long at a time", ">\n\nPeople struggle with dating because of these types of opinions. There is no one way to develop a good relationship, there are many. And one way that works for some people can be the exact reason it fails for others. It depends on everyone involved.", ">\n\nTotally agree, I was friends with my wife for 2 years before we began dating. We will be having our 15th wedding anniversary in a couple weeks.", ">\n\nCongratulations! Yay for best friends!!", ">\n\nI sorta disagree, from personal experience.\nWhen I dated someone who I'd been friends with for years, it didn't turn out well. Yeah sure, I knew the bad and good things about them. But that's a double edged sword, because they figured that I would 'be okay with' the same things now that we were in a relationship. There was nothing new for me to learn about him and no bonding experiences that could help us know each other deeper/better, because we already knew each other incredibly well. He wouldn't shut up about his ex before or during our relationship. I gave him an ultimatum and he only continued. I broke up with him and then became an ex he won't shut up about. \nHowever, when I met my current long distance partner, we only knew each other a month before getting together, as there was relatively quick mutual attraction. Our relationship is now 5 years strong and learning new things about them is/has been a bonding experience that I didn't have with the aforementioned ex of mine.\nSo, I think this isn't true in all cases.", ">\n\nI think you don't mean the strongest but safest. All of the things you mentioned are found in long term partners of dating apps and such as well, but of course they also might not be.\nWhat you're describing is every long term relationship. The trust building, the friendship. And yes you don't always find that on dating apps vs being friends first. But dating apps offer you a large pool to chose from which is generally much larger than your friend group.\nBut you also have to remember the downsides of dating a friend too. If it doesn't work out what happens to your friendship or friend group? Were you just friends to get close enough to date because that's kinda shitty. Not to mention it's hard to know if they're actually like you or don't want to lose a friend so go along with it.", ">\n\nNot for me, I've been with A LOT of people, I've dated a few as well. My current gf and future wife met when she came into my shop to get piercings done with her friends, she called the shop afterwards and we had sex the next day. We have been dating ever since ( 3 years ) and she Is the first woman I trust completely and feel comfortable and know I want to spend my entire life with her, my last relationship was 9 years, we were friends before that, the one before that was 6 years, also friends before. So, no, there really is no rules for making the \"perfect relationship\". My \"one night stand\" turned into the woman im going to spend my life with. Seems others have pointed this out as well. This is projection", ">\n\nMy friend found his first girlfriend on Tindr and she was an abusive narcassist (he left her thank god)\nI was a platonic friend with my bf for 3 years before dating him, and we love each other so fucking much", ">\n\nGood for you!\nNonetheless, all scenarios exist around the same percentage:\n- starting as friends becoming good romantic\n- starting as friends and not being good romantic partners\n- starting as a date/lust and becoming good romantically\n- starting as a date/lust and it does not work out", ">\n\nNot the same percentage, OP is right that you'll find a fulfilling relationship more often in person and starting off as friends.", ">\n\nNot that I don’t believe you, but do you have a source?\nThe best relationships I know are from people in the middle: dating, never knew (or interacted with) each other but taking it slow. People who jump too quickly end up fighting, and the people who were friends for so long do manage, but at the end it seems they do divorce because the spark is gone\nAgain, got no proof for that. Just what it seems", ">\n\nYou're asking me for sauce and yet you have failed to provide sauce yourself for your claim that all relationship types are equally occuring. You can only make a subjetive opinion on the matter and our views will be completely different because experiences are uniaue to the individual.\nPeople who enter marriages quickly end up leaving soon because they failed to know each other better. But instead of dating, they could've literally been friends for a long time and that qualifies for 'getting to know each other' and so jumping into marriage might end up being long term. I guess its dofferent for everyone, but I always wanted to meet my partner in real life either at study or work because I know we would be similar on those grounds. I did and I'm happy, and I'm happy because I got to know him more in the safe friendzone. It was a slow process but it was worth it.", ">\n\nI somewhat agree, but not everyone is lucky enough to have or can stay in social circles where you find your s/o.", ">\n\nI think it kinda boils down to the question, what was first, egg or chicken. You won't have full romantic relationship without sex and the same goes for lust based ones only.\nThis is bit of a myth that you can grow yourself a partner, especially after teenage phase, so you either hit or not into someone compatible making it a luck game, requiring lot of volume to get some points. You can start with passionate sex and just score the best partner in the world or you can start with friendship and never make it till some phase.", ">\n\nIs their proof because my evidence says every time u do that she cheats and you lose a good friend", ">\n\nI actually don't think this is as unpopular as you might think. I think at least some people looking for a steamy romance are not necessarily thinking about a life partner, which is totally ok. In the context of looking for a life partner, this seems pretty common.\nThat said, there are some cases where I'd strongly disagree. Dating allows you to filter people out who have definite life incompatibilities with you. Falling for your friends is great if your friend is compatible with you, but sometimes they're not. I've fallen in love with two close friends, neither who I ever would have gone on a date with (both of them fell for me back). In the end, the friendships turned toxic and fell apart because we wanted things from each other that we actually weren't willing to give, given what we wanted from life. I've honestly had much better luck falling in lust with someone, hanging out with them to see if we're baseline compatible, if not long term, and going from there. This isn't like a one-size-fits-all, but there are definite reasons to date strangers.", ">\n\nI’m in a 5 year relationship with someone who I was friends with. I knew him for like ten years now. I do disagree tho, we definitely had a honeymoon phase", ">\n\nNo. This type of shit is what leads mfs that you just want to be friends with to have some false ass hope for the future. I hate this and if someone just wants to be friends they just want to be friends. I'm not saying it never happens but 9/10 if you don't see them that way..... you never will", ">\n\nI started dating my now wife after we were friends for four years. Sparks are overrated.", ">\n\nI wasn't looking for a relationship. Eventually it just happened.", ">\n\nI fell for my husband after being friends for seven months. I had no initial attraction to him, we were just in the same field in doctoral school and interacted a lot. I was actually in another relationship when I first met him. It wasn’t until we worked closely together and got to know each other on a deeper level months later that a spark started to form. After all those months, I suddenly felt such a deep attraction to him I couldn’t ignore it. \nAll of my previous relationships were like that too. I have never felt instant attraction to any person. It always had to grow with time.", ">\n\nThat's how it worked out for me.", ">\n\nI already knew all of those things about my wife because I was working a crap job for low pay when we met. The entire reason I went back to school was for her. It still took four more years to finish my degree and I didn’t have very much money or time between work and school. She stuck with me through those hard times. I didn’t have to just be her friend but she definitely let it be known that she wouldn’t marry me until I finished college. :)", ">\n\nVery true in my case. I didn’t notice him for years. Then we were just friends. Then best friends. Then best friends that say “I love you” to each-other. But finally i resized my true feelings. Ive been with him 2 long years. I wish I loved him sooner because he’s amazing.", ">\n\nThey make for the most difficult breakups, too.", ">\n\nMaybe, but I dont ruin friendships cuz they are valuable so no.", ">\n\nThis is so true. Friends first! I met my fiance on Facebook through our college class group. I dm'd her first and we spoke for three months as really good friends before meeting in person in the fall. That first week we clicked and knew our intentions. We never expected to date. Fast forward 10 years later ( including 3 years of long distance), we have been living together for two years and get married in Oct. Til this day we love each other very much, and is because we see each other as best friends before partners.", ">\n\nBurying the lede, it’s just better than apps, which are fake as fuck and inflate your self worth.", ">\n\nTrue imo the best relationships are the ones where both partners fully trust and know each other's", ">\n\nI agree, but also because I cannot develop feelings or a spark for someone without knowing them for a long time first. I have never just met a person and instantly had feelings for them.", ">\n\nCompletely the opposite in my opinion. Getting to know someone and having instant sparks and slowly falling in love as you get to know more about them is the best feeling in the world. Often times friends first also break up its just a lot more traumatic and you run a lot more risks about breaking up your friend group and stuff like that.", ">\n\nI disagree. The worst relationship i had was with my best friend. She and i were so fucking toxic to each other, that when we broke up and still had to see each other (Same group of friends), we had to wait 5 years until we were ready to be friends again. \nTo all my fellow guys, don't date your female best friend, you'll end up losing a good friend", ">\n\nI think for some people it’s hard to break out of the mindset once you become friends that this person is meant for friendship. After categorizing some people as friends and others as potential love interests, it’s hard to break that boundary in your head.", ">\n\nIf the relationship ended as not platonic then it was never platonic", ">\n\nThe two best relationships I had were with people who we lived together first, became friends, and then lovers, and then partners. They were really sweet relationships and I hold them close to my heart. \nBecause of this, my rule of thumb is friends first, lovers second and it’s never failed me." ]