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[ "What you clean with?", ">\n\nKept it easy. Bathed the keys in alcohol, then wiped them down with cloths & cotton swabs." ]

[ "What you clean with?", ">\n\nKept it easy. Bathed the keys in alcohol, then wiped them down with cloths & cotton swabs.", ">\n\nwhat keycaps are these? really digging the retro style." ]

[ "What you clean with?", ">\n\nKept it easy. Bathed the keys in alcohol, then wiped them down with cloths & cotton swabs.", ">\n\nwhat keycaps are these? really digging the retro style.", ">\n\nThey're the base ones that come with the Vortex Tab 90." ]

[ "What you clean with?", ">\n\nKept it easy. Bathed the keys in alcohol, then wiped them down with cloths & cotton swabs.", ">\n\nwhat keycaps are these? really digging the retro style.", ">\n\nThey're the base ones that come with the Vortex Tab 90.", ">\n\nooh thanks." ]

[ "What you clean with?", ">\n\nKept it easy. Bathed the keys in alcohol, then wiped them down with cloths & cotton swabs.", ">\n\nwhat keycaps are these? really digging the retro style.", ">\n\nThey're the base ones that come with the Vortex Tab 90.", ">\n\nooh thanks.", ">\n\nI just got new keycaps so I think I’m fine" ]

[ "What you clean with?", ">\n\nKept it easy. Bathed the keys in alcohol, then wiped them down with cloths & cotton swabs.", ">\n\nwhat keycaps are these? really digging the retro style.", ">\n\nThey're the base ones that come with the Vortex Tab 90.", ">\n\nooh thanks.", ">\n\nI just got new keycaps so I think I’m fine", ">\n\nHow and why did you let it get like that?" ]

[ "What you clean with?", ">\n\nKept it easy. Bathed the keys in alcohol, then wiped them down with cloths & cotton swabs.", ">\n\nwhat keycaps are these? really digging the retro style.", ">\n\nThey're the base ones that come with the Vortex Tab 90.", ">\n\nooh thanks.", ">\n\nI just got new keycaps so I think I’m fine", ">\n\nHow and why did you let it get like that?", ">\n\nI live in a house with a tremendous number of shedding dogs and small children who need to wash their hands before they use electronics from now on." ]

[ "What you clean with?", ">\n\nKept it easy. Bathed the keys in alcohol, then wiped them down with cloths & cotton swabs.", ">\n\nwhat keycaps are these? really digging the retro style.", ">\n\nThey're the base ones that come with the Vortex Tab 90.", ">\n\nooh thanks.", ">\n\nI just got new keycaps so I think I’m fine", ">\n\nHow and why did you let it get like that?", ">\n\nI live in a house with a tremendous number of shedding dogs and small children who need to wash their hands before they use electronics from now on.", ">\n\nMy dogs are the worst. I put an envelope on my keyboard when I'm done to keep the fur out. I'm thinking about building a wood case with a lid for it." ]

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[ "“Even if protesters believed they were following orders, they were not misled about the legality of their actions and thus fall outside the scope of any public authority defense,” Bates wrote." ]

[ "“Even if protesters believed they were following orders, they were not misled about the legality of their actions and thus fall outside the scope of any public authority defense,” Bates wrote.", ">\n\nYes, Trump told you to do it. No, that doesn't mean you didn't commit a crime.\nPerfect." ]

[ "“Even if protesters believed they were following orders, they were not misled about the legality of their actions and thus fall outside the scope of any public authority defense,” Bates wrote.", ">\n\nYes, Trump told you to do it. No, that doesn't mean you didn't commit a crime.\nPerfect.", ">\n\nRight, \"fight like hell\". We heard it with our own ears. Gave them literal directions to the scene of the crime and everything." ]

[ "“Even if protesters believed they were following orders, they were not misled about the legality of their actions and thus fall outside the scope of any public authority defense,” Bates wrote.", ">\n\nYes, Trump told you to do it. No, that doesn't mean you didn't commit a crime.\nPerfect.", ">\n\nRight, \"fight like hell\". We heard it with our own ears. Gave them literal directions to the scene of the crime and everything.", ">\n\nTold them to take down the metal detectors as well. If that doesn’t speak to what he wanted, I don’t know what does." ]

[ "“Even if protesters believed they were following orders, they were not misled about the legality of their actions and thus fall outside the scope of any public authority defense,” Bates wrote.", ">\n\nYes, Trump told you to do it. No, that doesn't mean you didn't commit a crime.\nPerfect.", ">\n\nRight, \"fight like hell\". We heard it with our own ears. Gave them literal directions to the scene of the crime and everything.", ">\n\nTold them to take down the metal detectors as well. If that doesn’t speak to what he wanted, I don’t know what does.", ">\n\nWait, really?" ]

[ "“Even if protesters believed they were following orders, they were not misled about the legality of their actions and thus fall outside the scope of any public authority defense,” Bates wrote.", ">\n\nYes, Trump told you to do it. No, that doesn't mean you didn't commit a crime.\nPerfect.", ">\n\nRight, \"fight like hell\". We heard it with our own ears. Gave them literal directions to the scene of the crime and everything.", ">\n\nTold them to take down the metal detectors as well. If that doesn’t speak to what he wanted, I don’t know what does.", ">\n\nWait, really?", ">\n\nYeah, at his event. Told the secret service that the people trying to bring weapons in “don’t want to hurt me”, just as he was whipping them up into a frenzy and sending them to the Capitol. \nHe fucking knew what he wanted." ]

[ "“Even if protesters believed they were following orders, they were not misled about the legality of their actions and thus fall outside the scope of any public authority defense,” Bates wrote.", ">\n\nYes, Trump told you to do it. No, that doesn't mean you didn't commit a crime.\nPerfect.", ">\n\nRight, \"fight like hell\". We heard it with our own ears. Gave them literal directions to the scene of the crime and everything.", ">\n\nTold them to take down the metal detectors as well. If that doesn’t speak to what he wanted, I don’t know what does.", ">\n\nWait, really?", ">\n\nYeah, at his event. Told the secret service that the people trying to bring weapons in “don’t want to hurt me”, just as he was whipping them up into a frenzy and sending them to the Capitol. \nHe fucking knew what he wanted.", ">\n\nIs this the dumbass adult version of \"if all your friends jumped off a bridge...\"\nWtf is this shit" ]

[ "“Even if protesters believed they were following orders, they were not misled about the legality of their actions and thus fall outside the scope of any public authority defense,” Bates wrote.", ">\n\nYes, Trump told you to do it. No, that doesn't mean you didn't commit a crime.\nPerfect.", ">\n\nRight, \"fight like hell\". We heard it with our own ears. Gave them literal directions to the scene of the crime and everything.", ">\n\nTold them to take down the metal detectors as well. If that doesn’t speak to what he wanted, I don’t know what does.", ">\n\nWait, really?", ">\n\nYeah, at his event. Told the secret service that the people trying to bring weapons in “don’t want to hurt me”, just as he was whipping them up into a frenzy and sending them to the Capitol. \nHe fucking knew what he wanted.", ">\n\nIs this the dumbass adult version of \"if all your friends jumped off a bridge...\"\nWtf is this shit", ">\n\nI wonder how different(if at all) things would have been if trumps driver had just done what trump said and drop him off at the capital with all his supporters…" ]

[ "“Even if protesters believed they were following orders, they were not misled about the legality of their actions and thus fall outside the scope of any public authority defense,” Bates wrote.", ">\n\nYes, Trump told you to do it. No, that doesn't mean you didn't commit a crime.\nPerfect.", ">\n\nRight, \"fight like hell\". We heard it with our own ears. Gave them literal directions to the scene of the crime and everything.", ">\n\nTold them to take down the metal detectors as well. If that doesn’t speak to what he wanted, I don’t know what does.", ">\n\nWait, really?", ">\n\nYeah, at his event. Told the secret service that the people trying to bring weapons in “don’t want to hurt me”, just as he was whipping them up into a frenzy and sending them to the Capitol. \nHe fucking knew what he wanted.", ">\n\nIs this the dumbass adult version of \"if all your friends jumped off a bridge...\"\nWtf is this shit", ">\n\nI wonder how different(if at all) things would have been if trumps driver had just done what trump said and drop him off at the capital with all his supporters…", ">\n\nGoing to be crazy years and years later when all of the evidence is solid and plain as day in a history book or on Wikipedia or something. But then there will be a section saying “and he got away with all of it!”\nHow shameful and disappointing" ]

[ "“Even if protesters believed they were following orders, they were not misled about the legality of their actions and thus fall outside the scope of any public authority defense,” Bates wrote.", ">\n\nYes, Trump told you to do it. No, that doesn't mean you didn't commit a crime.\nPerfect.", ">\n\nRight, \"fight like hell\". We heard it with our own ears. Gave them literal directions to the scene of the crime and everything.", ">\n\nTold them to take down the metal detectors as well. If that doesn’t speak to what he wanted, I don’t know what does.", ">\n\nWait, really?", ">\n\nYeah, at his event. Told the secret service that the people trying to bring weapons in “don’t want to hurt me”, just as he was whipping them up into a frenzy and sending them to the Capitol. \nHe fucking knew what he wanted.", ">\n\nIs this the dumbass adult version of \"if all your friends jumped off a bridge...\"\nWtf is this shit", ">\n\nI wonder how different(if at all) things would have been if trumps driver had just done what trump said and drop him off at the capital with all his supporters…", ">\n\nGoing to be crazy years and years later when all of the evidence is solid and plain as day in a history book or on Wikipedia or something. But then there will be a section saying “and he got away with all of it!”\nHow shameful and disappointing", ">\n\nIf they’re sounding this dismissive already then they’re planning to let him walk easy. Like no shit he was trying to incite them to do more, we needed an investigation to tell us this blatant truth?" ]

[ "“Even if protesters believed they were following orders, they were not misled about the legality of their actions and thus fall outside the scope of any public authority defense,” Bates wrote.", ">\n\nYes, Trump told you to do it. No, that doesn't mean you didn't commit a crime.\nPerfect.", ">\n\nRight, \"fight like hell\". We heard it with our own ears. Gave them literal directions to the scene of the crime and everything.", ">\n\nTold them to take down the metal detectors as well. If that doesn’t speak to what he wanted, I don’t know what does.", ">\n\nWait, really?", ">\n\nYeah, at his event. Told the secret service that the people trying to bring weapons in “don’t want to hurt me”, just as he was whipping them up into a frenzy and sending them to the Capitol. \nHe fucking knew what he wanted.", ">\n\nIs this the dumbass adult version of \"if all your friends jumped off a bridge...\"\nWtf is this shit", ">\n\nI wonder how different(if at all) things would have been if trumps driver had just done what trump said and drop him off at the capital with all his supporters…", ">\n\nGoing to be crazy years and years later when all of the evidence is solid and plain as day in a history book or on Wikipedia or something. But then there will be a section saying “and he got away with all of it!”\nHow shameful and disappointing", ">\n\nIf they’re sounding this dismissive already then they’re planning to let him walk easy. Like no shit he was trying to incite them to do more, we needed an investigation to tell us this blatant truth?", ">\n\nI think it's more of a \"if you take a shot at the king, best not miss\" type of situation. If you do it right, you don't take a shot, you drop a nuke on the fucker." ]

[ "“Even if protesters believed they were following orders, they were not misled about the legality of their actions and thus fall outside the scope of any public authority defense,” Bates wrote.", ">\n\nYes, Trump told you to do it. No, that doesn't mean you didn't commit a crime.\nPerfect.", ">\n\nRight, \"fight like hell\". We heard it with our own ears. Gave them literal directions to the scene of the crime and everything.", ">\n\nTold them to take down the metal detectors as well. If that doesn’t speak to what he wanted, I don’t know what does.", ">\n\nWait, really?", ">\n\nYeah, at his event. Told the secret service that the people trying to bring weapons in “don’t want to hurt me”, just as he was whipping them up into a frenzy and sending them to the Capitol. \nHe fucking knew what he wanted.", ">\n\nIs this the dumbass adult version of \"if all your friends jumped off a bridge...\"\nWtf is this shit", ">\n\nI wonder how different(if at all) things would have been if trumps driver had just done what trump said and drop him off at the capital with all his supporters…", ">\n\nGoing to be crazy years and years later when all of the evidence is solid and plain as day in a history book or on Wikipedia or something. But then there will be a section saying “and he got away with all of it!”\nHow shameful and disappointing", ">\n\nIf they’re sounding this dismissive already then they’re planning to let him walk easy. Like no shit he was trying to incite them to do more, we needed an investigation to tell us this blatant truth?", ">\n\nI think it's more of a \"if you take a shot at the king, best not miss\" type of situation. If you do it right, you don't take a shot, you drop a nuke on the fucker.", ">\n\nLove his black power fist!" ]

[ "“Even if protesters believed they were following orders, they were not misled about the legality of their actions and thus fall outside the scope of any public authority defense,” Bates wrote.", ">\n\nYes, Trump told you to do it. No, that doesn't mean you didn't commit a crime.\nPerfect.", ">\n\nRight, \"fight like hell\". We heard it with our own ears. Gave them literal directions to the scene of the crime and everything.", ">\n\nTold them to take down the metal detectors as well. If that doesn’t speak to what he wanted, I don’t know what does.", ">\n\nWait, really?", ">\n\nYeah, at his event. Told the secret service that the people trying to bring weapons in “don’t want to hurt me”, just as he was whipping them up into a frenzy and sending them to the Capitol. \nHe fucking knew what he wanted.", ">\n\nIs this the dumbass adult version of \"if all your friends jumped off a bridge...\"\nWtf is this shit", ">\n\nI wonder how different(if at all) things would have been if trumps driver had just done what trump said and drop him off at the capital with all his supporters…", ">\n\nGoing to be crazy years and years later when all of the evidence is solid and plain as day in a history book or on Wikipedia or something. But then there will be a section saying “and he got away with all of it!”\nHow shameful and disappointing", ">\n\nIf they’re sounding this dismissive already then they’re planning to let him walk easy. Like no shit he was trying to incite them to do more, we needed an investigation to tell us this blatant truth?", ">\n\nI think it's more of a \"if you take a shot at the king, best not miss\" type of situation. If you do it right, you don't take a shot, you drop a nuke on the fucker.", ">\n\nLove his black power fist!", ">\n\nI thought he was holding a hand puppet." ]

[ "“Even if protesters believed they were following orders, they were not misled about the legality of their actions and thus fall outside the scope of any public authority defense,” Bates wrote.", ">\n\nYes, Trump told you to do it. No, that doesn't mean you didn't commit a crime.\nPerfect.", ">\n\nRight, \"fight like hell\". We heard it with our own ears. Gave them literal directions to the scene of the crime and everything.", ">\n\nTold them to take down the metal detectors as well. If that doesn’t speak to what he wanted, I don’t know what does.", ">\n\nWait, really?", ">\n\nYeah, at his event. Told the secret service that the people trying to bring weapons in “don’t want to hurt me”, just as he was whipping them up into a frenzy and sending them to the Capitol. \nHe fucking knew what he wanted.", ">\n\nIs this the dumbass adult version of \"if all your friends jumped off a bridge...\"\nWtf is this shit", ">\n\nI wonder how different(if at all) things would have been if trumps driver had just done what trump said and drop him off at the capital with all his supporters…", ">\n\nGoing to be crazy years and years later when all of the evidence is solid and plain as day in a history book or on Wikipedia or something. But then there will be a section saying “and he got away with all of it!”\nHow shameful and disappointing", ">\n\nIf they’re sounding this dismissive already then they’re planning to let him walk easy. Like no shit he was trying to incite them to do more, we needed an investigation to tell us this blatant truth?", ">\n\nI think it's more of a \"if you take a shot at the king, best not miss\" type of situation. If you do it right, you don't take a shot, you drop a nuke on the fucker.", ">\n\nLove his black power fist!", ">\n\nI thought he was holding a hand puppet.", ">\n\nIt’s Triumph 😆😆😆" ]

[ "“Even if protesters believed they were following orders, they were not misled about the legality of their actions and thus fall outside the scope of any public authority defense,” Bates wrote.", ">\n\nYes, Trump told you to do it. No, that doesn't mean you didn't commit a crime.\nPerfect.", ">\n\nRight, \"fight like hell\". We heard it with our own ears. Gave them literal directions to the scene of the crime and everything.", ">\n\nTold them to take down the metal detectors as well. If that doesn’t speak to what he wanted, I don’t know what does.", ">\n\nWait, really?", ">\n\nYeah, at his event. Told the secret service that the people trying to bring weapons in “don’t want to hurt me”, just as he was whipping them up into a frenzy and sending them to the Capitol. \nHe fucking knew what he wanted.", ">\n\nIs this the dumbass adult version of \"if all your friends jumped off a bridge...\"\nWtf is this shit", ">\n\nI wonder how different(if at all) things would have been if trumps driver had just done what trump said and drop him off at the capital with all his supporters…", ">\n\nGoing to be crazy years and years later when all of the evidence is solid and plain as day in a history book or on Wikipedia or something. But then there will be a section saying “and he got away with all of it!”\nHow shameful and disappointing", ">\n\nIf they’re sounding this dismissive already then they’re planning to let him walk easy. Like no shit he was trying to incite them to do more, we needed an investigation to tell us this blatant truth?", ">\n\nI think it's more of a \"if you take a shot at the king, best not miss\" type of situation. If you do it right, you don't take a shot, you drop a nuke on the fucker.", ">\n\nLove his black power fist!", ">\n\nI thought he was holding a hand puppet.", ">\n\nIt’s Triumph 😆😆😆", ">\n\nEven if, 'He told me to\" is not a cheap excuse it's what they want to be true. \nIt follows their patterns of avoiding responsibility. \nAlways needing a figure that commands them.\nAll the while they say they are 'leading a charge' but the reason is given to them and it's the messenger who is to blame.\nThe devotion is just cognitive dissonance. \nTheir world mechanic is 'My leader guides me. Once he speaks I do what he ~~commands~~ whatever I infer because I already agree with it'." ]

[ "“Even if protesters believed they were following orders, they were not misled about the legality of their actions and thus fall outside the scope of any public authority defense,” Bates wrote.", ">\n\nYes, Trump told you to do it. No, that doesn't mean you didn't commit a crime.\nPerfect.", ">\n\nRight, \"fight like hell\". We heard it with our own ears. Gave them literal directions to the scene of the crime and everything.", ">\n\nTold them to take down the metal detectors as well. If that doesn’t speak to what he wanted, I don’t know what does.", ">\n\nWait, really?", ">\n\nYeah, at his event. Told the secret service that the people trying to bring weapons in “don’t want to hurt me”, just as he was whipping them up into a frenzy and sending them to the Capitol. \nHe fucking knew what he wanted.", ">\n\nIs this the dumbass adult version of \"if all your friends jumped off a bridge...\"\nWtf is this shit", ">\n\nI wonder how different(if at all) things would have been if trumps driver had just done what trump said and drop him off at the capital with all his supporters…", ">\n\nGoing to be crazy years and years later when all of the evidence is solid and plain as day in a history book or on Wikipedia or something. But then there will be a section saying “and he got away with all of it!”\nHow shameful and disappointing", ">\n\nIf they’re sounding this dismissive already then they’re planning to let him walk easy. Like no shit he was trying to incite them to do more, we needed an investigation to tell us this blatant truth?", ">\n\nI think it's more of a \"if you take a shot at the king, best not miss\" type of situation. If you do it right, you don't take a shot, you drop a nuke on the fucker.", ">\n\nLove his black power fist!", ">\n\nI thought he was holding a hand puppet.", ">\n\nIt’s Triumph 😆😆😆", ">\n\nEven if, 'He told me to\" is not a cheap excuse it's what they want to be true. \nIt follows their patterns of avoiding responsibility. \nAlways needing a figure that commands them.\nAll the while they say they are 'leading a charge' but the reason is given to them and it's the messenger who is to blame.\nThe devotion is just cognitive dissonance. \nTheir world mechanic is 'My leader guides me. Once he speaks I do what he ~~commands~~ whatever I infer because I already agree with it'.", ">\n\n\nI guess we won’t stop hearing about him until :\n\nHe stops being a fascist a-hole. So never.\nThe Fanta Menace will plague us long after he turns to worm food." ]

[ "“Even if protesters believed they were following orders, they were not misled about the legality of their actions and thus fall outside the scope of any public authority defense,” Bates wrote.", ">\n\nYes, Trump told you to do it. No, that doesn't mean you didn't commit a crime.\nPerfect.", ">\n\nRight, \"fight like hell\". We heard it with our own ears. Gave them literal directions to the scene of the crime and everything.", ">\n\nTold them to take down the metal detectors as well. If that doesn’t speak to what he wanted, I don’t know what does.", ">\n\nWait, really?", ">\n\nYeah, at his event. Told the secret service that the people trying to bring weapons in “don’t want to hurt me”, just as he was whipping them up into a frenzy and sending them to the Capitol. \nHe fucking knew what he wanted.", ">\n\nIs this the dumbass adult version of \"if all your friends jumped off a bridge...\"\nWtf is this shit", ">\n\nI wonder how different(if at all) things would have been if trumps driver had just done what trump said and drop him off at the capital with all his supporters…", ">\n\nGoing to be crazy years and years later when all of the evidence is solid and plain as day in a history book or on Wikipedia or something. But then there will be a section saying “and he got away with all of it!”\nHow shameful and disappointing", ">\n\nIf they’re sounding this dismissive already then they’re planning to let him walk easy. Like no shit he was trying to incite them to do more, we needed an investigation to tell us this blatant truth?", ">\n\nI think it's more of a \"if you take a shot at the king, best not miss\" type of situation. If you do it right, you don't take a shot, you drop a nuke on the fucker.", ">\n\nLove his black power fist!", ">\n\nI thought he was holding a hand puppet.", ">\n\nIt’s Triumph 😆😆😆", ">\n\nEven if, 'He told me to\" is not a cheap excuse it's what they want to be true. \nIt follows their patterns of avoiding responsibility. \nAlways needing a figure that commands them.\nAll the while they say they are 'leading a charge' but the reason is given to them and it's the messenger who is to blame.\nThe devotion is just cognitive dissonance. \nTheir world mechanic is 'My leader guides me. Once he speaks I do what he ~~commands~~ whatever I infer because I already agree with it'.", ">\n\n\nI guess we won’t stop hearing about him until :\n\nHe stops being a fascist a-hole. So never.\nThe Fanta Menace will plague us long after he turns to worm food.", ">\n\nHorray for obsession, progress at its finest" ]

[ "“Even if protesters believed they were following orders, they were not misled about the legality of their actions and thus fall outside the scope of any public authority defense,” Bates wrote.", ">\n\nYes, Trump told you to do it. No, that doesn't mean you didn't commit a crime.\nPerfect.", ">\n\nRight, \"fight like hell\". We heard it with our own ears. Gave them literal directions to the scene of the crime and everything.", ">\n\nTold them to take down the metal detectors as well. If that doesn’t speak to what he wanted, I don’t know what does.", ">\n\nWait, really?", ">\n\nYeah, at his event. Told the secret service that the people trying to bring weapons in “don’t want to hurt me”, just as he was whipping them up into a frenzy and sending them to the Capitol. \nHe fucking knew what he wanted.", ">\n\nIs this the dumbass adult version of \"if all your friends jumped off a bridge...\"\nWtf is this shit", ">\n\nI wonder how different(if at all) things would have been if trumps driver had just done what trump said and drop him off at the capital with all his supporters…", ">\n\nGoing to be crazy years and years later when all of the evidence is solid and plain as day in a history book or on Wikipedia or something. But then there will be a section saying “and he got away with all of it!”\nHow shameful and disappointing", ">\n\nIf they’re sounding this dismissive already then they’re planning to let him walk easy. Like no shit he was trying to incite them to do more, we needed an investigation to tell us this blatant truth?", ">\n\nI think it's more of a \"if you take a shot at the king, best not miss\" type of situation. If you do it right, you don't take a shot, you drop a nuke on the fucker.", ">\n\nLove his black power fist!", ">\n\nI thought he was holding a hand puppet.", ">\n\nIt’s Triumph 😆😆😆", ">\n\nEven if, 'He told me to\" is not a cheap excuse it's what they want to be true. \nIt follows their patterns of avoiding responsibility. \nAlways needing a figure that commands them.\nAll the while they say they are 'leading a charge' but the reason is given to them and it's the messenger who is to blame.\nThe devotion is just cognitive dissonance. \nTheir world mechanic is 'My leader guides me. Once he speaks I do what he ~~commands~~ whatever I infer because I already agree with it'.", ">\n\n\nI guess we won’t stop hearing about him until :\n\nHe stops being a fascist a-hole. So never.\nThe Fanta Menace will plague us long after he turns to worm food.", ">\n\nHorray for obsession, progress at its finest", ">\n\nIt's not about Trump personally, it's about accountability. Otherwise there is literally no reason why the next GOP president won't try again but smarter." ]

[ "“Even if protesters believed they were following orders, they were not misled about the legality of their actions and thus fall outside the scope of any public authority defense,” Bates wrote.", ">\n\nYes, Trump told you to do it. No, that doesn't mean you didn't commit a crime.\nPerfect.", ">\n\nRight, \"fight like hell\". We heard it with our own ears. Gave them literal directions to the scene of the crime and everything.", ">\n\nTold them to take down the metal detectors as well. If that doesn’t speak to what he wanted, I don’t know what does.", ">\n\nWait, really?", ">\n\nYeah, at his event. Told the secret service that the people trying to bring weapons in “don’t want to hurt me”, just as he was whipping them up into a frenzy and sending them to the Capitol. \nHe fucking knew what he wanted.", ">\n\nIs this the dumbass adult version of \"if all your friends jumped off a bridge...\"\nWtf is this shit", ">\n\nI wonder how different(if at all) things would have been if trumps driver had just done what trump said and drop him off at the capital with all his supporters…", ">\n\nGoing to be crazy years and years later when all of the evidence is solid and plain as day in a history book or on Wikipedia or something. But then there will be a section saying “and he got away with all of it!”\nHow shameful and disappointing", ">\n\nIf they’re sounding this dismissive already then they’re planning to let him walk easy. Like no shit he was trying to incite them to do more, we needed an investigation to tell us this blatant truth?", ">\n\nI think it's more of a \"if you take a shot at the king, best not miss\" type of situation. If you do it right, you don't take a shot, you drop a nuke on the fucker.", ">\n\nLove his black power fist!", ">\n\nI thought he was holding a hand puppet.", ">\n\nIt’s Triumph 😆😆😆", ">\n\nEven if, 'He told me to\" is not a cheap excuse it's what they want to be true. \nIt follows their patterns of avoiding responsibility. \nAlways needing a figure that commands them.\nAll the while they say they are 'leading a charge' but the reason is given to them and it's the messenger who is to blame.\nThe devotion is just cognitive dissonance. \nTheir world mechanic is 'My leader guides me. Once he speaks I do what he ~~commands~~ whatever I infer because I already agree with it'.", ">\n\n\nI guess we won’t stop hearing about him until :\n\nHe stops being a fascist a-hole. So never.\nThe Fanta Menace will plague us long after he turns to worm food.", ">\n\nHorray for obsession, progress at its finest", ">\n\nIt's not about Trump personally, it's about accountability. Otherwise there is literally no reason why the next GOP president won't try again but smarter.", ">\n\nWell , push those voted in to take action.\nThey have all the power to throw him in the goulag so do it so we can all move on." ]

[ "“Even if protesters believed they were following orders, they were not misled about the legality of their actions and thus fall outside the scope of any public authority defense,” Bates wrote.", ">\n\nYes, Trump told you to do it. No, that doesn't mean you didn't commit a crime.\nPerfect.", ">\n\nRight, \"fight like hell\". We heard it with our own ears. Gave them literal directions to the scene of the crime and everything.", ">\n\nTold them to take down the metal detectors as well. If that doesn’t speak to what he wanted, I don’t know what does.", ">\n\nWait, really?", ">\n\nYeah, at his event. Told the secret service that the people trying to bring weapons in “don’t want to hurt me”, just as he was whipping them up into a frenzy and sending them to the Capitol. \nHe fucking knew what he wanted.", ">\n\nIs this the dumbass adult version of \"if all your friends jumped off a bridge...\"\nWtf is this shit", ">\n\nI wonder how different(if at all) things would have been if trumps driver had just done what trump said and drop him off at the capital with all his supporters…", ">\n\nGoing to be crazy years and years later when all of the evidence is solid and plain as day in a history book or on Wikipedia or something. But then there will be a section saying “and he got away with all of it!”\nHow shameful and disappointing", ">\n\nIf they’re sounding this dismissive already then they’re planning to let him walk easy. Like no shit he was trying to incite them to do more, we needed an investigation to tell us this blatant truth?", ">\n\nI think it's more of a \"if you take a shot at the king, best not miss\" type of situation. If you do it right, you don't take a shot, you drop a nuke on the fucker.", ">\n\nLove his black power fist!", ">\n\nI thought he was holding a hand puppet.", ">\n\nIt’s Triumph 😆😆😆", ">\n\nEven if, 'He told me to\" is not a cheap excuse it's what they want to be true. \nIt follows their patterns of avoiding responsibility. \nAlways needing a figure that commands them.\nAll the while they say they are 'leading a charge' but the reason is given to them and it's the messenger who is to blame.\nThe devotion is just cognitive dissonance. \nTheir world mechanic is 'My leader guides me. Once he speaks I do what he ~~commands~~ whatever I infer because I already agree with it'.", ">\n\n\nI guess we won’t stop hearing about him until :\n\nHe stops being a fascist a-hole. So never.\nThe Fanta Menace will plague us long after he turns to worm food.", ">\n\nHorray for obsession, progress at its finest", ">\n\nIt's not about Trump personally, it's about accountability. Otherwise there is literally no reason why the next GOP president won't try again but smarter.", ">\n\nWell , push those voted in to take action.\nThey have all the power to throw him in the goulag so do it so we can all move on.", ">\n\nI think you're deliberately missing the point, so I'm going to disengage. Have a good one." ]

[ "“Even if protesters believed they were following orders, they were not misled about the legality of their actions and thus fall outside the scope of any public authority defense,” Bates wrote.", ">\n\nYes, Trump told you to do it. No, that doesn't mean you didn't commit a crime.\nPerfect.", ">\n\nRight, \"fight like hell\". We heard it with our own ears. Gave them literal directions to the scene of the crime and everything.", ">\n\nTold them to take down the metal detectors as well. If that doesn’t speak to what he wanted, I don’t know what does.", ">\n\nWait, really?", ">\n\nYeah, at his event. Told the secret service that the people trying to bring weapons in “don’t want to hurt me”, just as he was whipping them up into a frenzy and sending them to the Capitol. \nHe fucking knew what he wanted.", ">\n\nIs this the dumbass adult version of \"if all your friends jumped off a bridge...\"\nWtf is this shit", ">\n\nI wonder how different(if at all) things would have been if trumps driver had just done what trump said and drop him off at the capital with all his supporters…", ">\n\nGoing to be crazy years and years later when all of the evidence is solid and plain as day in a history book or on Wikipedia or something. But then there will be a section saying “and he got away with all of it!”\nHow shameful and disappointing", ">\n\nIf they’re sounding this dismissive already then they’re planning to let him walk easy. Like no shit he was trying to incite them to do more, we needed an investigation to tell us this blatant truth?", ">\n\nI think it's more of a \"if you take a shot at the king, best not miss\" type of situation. If you do it right, you don't take a shot, you drop a nuke on the fucker.", ">\n\nLove his black power fist!", ">\n\nI thought he was holding a hand puppet.", ">\n\nIt’s Triumph 😆😆😆", ">\n\nEven if, 'He told me to\" is not a cheap excuse it's what they want to be true. \nIt follows their patterns of avoiding responsibility. \nAlways needing a figure that commands them.\nAll the while they say they are 'leading a charge' but the reason is given to them and it's the messenger who is to blame.\nThe devotion is just cognitive dissonance. \nTheir world mechanic is 'My leader guides me. Once he speaks I do what he ~~commands~~ whatever I infer because I already agree with it'.", ">\n\n\nI guess we won’t stop hearing about him until :\n\nHe stops being a fascist a-hole. So never.\nThe Fanta Menace will plague us long after he turns to worm food.", ">\n\nHorray for obsession, progress at its finest", ">\n\nIt's not about Trump personally, it's about accountability. Otherwise there is literally no reason why the next GOP president won't try again but smarter.", ">\n\nWell , push those voted in to take action.\nThey have all the power to throw him in the goulag so do it so we can all move on.", ">\n\nI think you're deliberately missing the point, so I'm going to disengage. Have a good one.", ">\n\nYou too? Would love to focus on real problems but from the looks of it the “elect (D) so there’s no threat to democracy “ narrative for the next election cycle will be the same as well.\nWorked last time right?" ]

[ "“Even if protesters believed they were following orders, they were not misled about the legality of their actions and thus fall outside the scope of any public authority defense,” Bates wrote.", ">\n\nYes, Trump told you to do it. No, that doesn't mean you didn't commit a crime.\nPerfect.", ">\n\nRight, \"fight like hell\". We heard it with our own ears. Gave them literal directions to the scene of the crime and everything.", ">\n\nTold them to take down the metal detectors as well. If that doesn’t speak to what he wanted, I don’t know what does.", ">\n\nWait, really?", ">\n\nYeah, at his event. Told the secret service that the people trying to bring weapons in “don’t want to hurt me”, just as he was whipping them up into a frenzy and sending them to the Capitol. \nHe fucking knew what he wanted.", ">\n\nIs this the dumbass adult version of \"if all your friends jumped off a bridge...\"\nWtf is this shit", ">\n\nI wonder how different(if at all) things would have been if trumps driver had just done what trump said and drop him off at the capital with all his supporters…", ">\n\nGoing to be crazy years and years later when all of the evidence is solid and plain as day in a history book or on Wikipedia or something. But then there will be a section saying “and he got away with all of it!”\nHow shameful and disappointing", ">\n\nIf they’re sounding this dismissive already then they’re planning to let him walk easy. Like no shit he was trying to incite them to do more, we needed an investigation to tell us this blatant truth?", ">\n\nI think it's more of a \"if you take a shot at the king, best not miss\" type of situation. If you do it right, you don't take a shot, you drop a nuke on the fucker.", ">\n\nLove his black power fist!", ">\n\nI thought he was holding a hand puppet.", ">\n\nIt’s Triumph 😆😆😆", ">\n\nEven if, 'He told me to\" is not a cheap excuse it's what they want to be true. \nIt follows their patterns of avoiding responsibility. \nAlways needing a figure that commands them.\nAll the while they say they are 'leading a charge' but the reason is given to them and it's the messenger who is to blame.\nThe devotion is just cognitive dissonance. \nTheir world mechanic is 'My leader guides me. Once he speaks I do what he ~~commands~~ whatever I infer because I already agree with it'.", ">\n\n\nI guess we won’t stop hearing about him until :\n\nHe stops being a fascist a-hole. So never.\nThe Fanta Menace will plague us long after he turns to worm food.", ">\n\nHorray for obsession, progress at its finest", ">\n\nIt's not about Trump personally, it's about accountability. Otherwise there is literally no reason why the next GOP president won't try again but smarter.", ">\n\nWell , push those voted in to take action.\nThey have all the power to throw him in the goulag so do it so we can all move on.", ">\n\nI think you're deliberately missing the point, so I'm going to disengage. Have a good one.", ">\n\nYou too? Would love to focus on real problems but from the looks of it the “elect (D) so there’s no threat to democracy “ narrative for the next election cycle will be the same as well.\nWorked last time right?", ">\n\n\nWorked last time right?\n\nSo far, yes. All of the \"elect (d)\" people did their jobs and took control of the house, senate, and oval office. Since doing that there have been numerous investigations into trump. A raid on his house. And the DOJ is getting everything in order for potential criminal charges. \nSo, again, yes it has been working as intended so far. \nThis isn't some process where people elect democrats and them Trump is magically tossed in prison. There's a very meticulous judicial process that we have to follow." ]

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[ "Wow, how unfair of the EU to impose a windfall tax on oil and gas companies that have been benefiting from increased profits due to supply concerns. I mean, what gives them the right to try and recoup some of that extra money for the benefit of the public? And how dare they discourage investment by major players in the industry like ExxonMobil, who just reported a quarterly profit of almost $20 billion. I'm sure those profits will be much more important to the company than the well-being of the European people and the transition to a more sustainable energy future." ]

[ "Wow, how unfair of the EU to impose a windfall tax on oil and gas companies that have been benefiting from increased profits due to supply concerns. I mean, what gives them the right to try and recoup some of that extra money for the benefit of the public? And how dare they discourage investment by major players in the industry like ExxonMobil, who just reported a quarterly profit of almost $20 billion. I'm sure those profits will be much more important to the company than the well-being of the European people and the transition to a more sustainable energy future.", ">\n\nI think the execs probably need to sue regardless, even if they know they will lose, to appease shareholders, so they can say they tried, or risk losing their position in the company. The lawsuit shouldn't matter if the tax is was legally implemented." ]

[ "Wow, how unfair of the EU to impose a windfall tax on oil and gas companies that have been benefiting from increased profits due to supply concerns. I mean, what gives them the right to try and recoup some of that extra money for the benefit of the public? And how dare they discourage investment by major players in the industry like ExxonMobil, who just reported a quarterly profit of almost $20 billion. I'm sure those profits will be much more important to the company than the well-being of the European people and the transition to a more sustainable energy future.", ">\n\nI think the execs probably need to sue regardless, even if they know they will lose, to appease shareholders, so they can say they tried, or risk losing their position in the company. The lawsuit shouldn't matter if the tax is was legally implemented.", ">\n\nI hope they lose and the EU are awarded damages on top of the original tax." ]

[ "Wow, how unfair of the EU to impose a windfall tax on oil and gas companies that have been benefiting from increased profits due to supply concerns. I mean, what gives them the right to try and recoup some of that extra money for the benefit of the public? And how dare they discourage investment by major players in the industry like ExxonMobil, who just reported a quarterly profit of almost $20 billion. I'm sure those profits will be much more important to the company than the well-being of the European people and the transition to a more sustainable energy future.", ">\n\nI think the execs probably need to sue regardless, even if they know they will lose, to appease shareholders, so they can say they tried, or risk losing their position in the company. The lawsuit shouldn't matter if the tax is was legally implemented.", ">\n\nI hope they lose and the EU are awarded damages on top of the original tax.", ">\n\nYeah, I think it's reasonable for EU to be awarded whatever legal cost they incur fighting the lawsuit. I think it will ultimately be a negligible amount for Exxon, though." ]

[ "Wow, how unfair of the EU to impose a windfall tax on oil and gas companies that have been benefiting from increased profits due to supply concerns. I mean, what gives them the right to try and recoup some of that extra money for the benefit of the public? And how dare they discourage investment by major players in the industry like ExxonMobil, who just reported a quarterly profit of almost $20 billion. I'm sure those profits will be much more important to the company than the well-being of the European people and the transition to a more sustainable energy future.", ">\n\nI think the execs probably need to sue regardless, even if they know they will lose, to appease shareholders, so they can say they tried, or risk losing their position in the company. The lawsuit shouldn't matter if the tax is was legally implemented.", ">\n\nI hope they lose and the EU are awarded damages on top of the original tax.", ">\n\nYeah, I think it's reasonable for EU to be awarded whatever legal cost they incur fighting the lawsuit. I think it will ultimately be a negligible amount for Exxon, though.", ">\n\nYou never know; due to the increased cost of living, I'm sure lawyers will cost a lot more too." ]

[ "Wow, how unfair of the EU to impose a windfall tax on oil and gas companies that have been benefiting from increased profits due to supply concerns. I mean, what gives them the right to try and recoup some of that extra money for the benefit of the public? And how dare they discourage investment by major players in the industry like ExxonMobil, who just reported a quarterly profit of almost $20 billion. I'm sure those profits will be much more important to the company than the well-being of the European people and the transition to a more sustainable energy future.", ">\n\nI think the execs probably need to sue regardless, even if they know they will lose, to appease shareholders, so they can say they tried, or risk losing their position in the company. The lawsuit shouldn't matter if the tax is was legally implemented.", ">\n\nI hope they lose and the EU are awarded damages on top of the original tax.", ">\n\nYeah, I think it's reasonable for EU to be awarded whatever legal cost they incur fighting the lawsuit. I think it will ultimately be a negligible amount for Exxon, though.", ">\n\nYou never know; due to the increased cost of living, I'm sure lawyers will cost a lot more too.", ">\n\nHave fun in EU courts Exxon, darling." ]

[ "Wow, how unfair of the EU to impose a windfall tax on oil and gas companies that have been benefiting from increased profits due to supply concerns. I mean, what gives them the right to try and recoup some of that extra money for the benefit of the public? And how dare they discourage investment by major players in the industry like ExxonMobil, who just reported a quarterly profit of almost $20 billion. I'm sure those profits will be much more important to the company than the well-being of the European people and the transition to a more sustainable energy future.", ">\n\nI think the execs probably need to sue regardless, even if they know they will lose, to appease shareholders, so they can say they tried, or risk losing their position in the company. The lawsuit shouldn't matter if the tax is was legally implemented.", ">\n\nI hope they lose and the EU are awarded damages on top of the original tax.", ">\n\nYeah, I think it's reasonable for EU to be awarded whatever legal cost they incur fighting the lawsuit. I think it will ultimately be a negligible amount for Exxon, though.", ">\n\nYou never know; due to the increased cost of living, I'm sure lawyers will cost a lot more too.", ">\n\nHave fun in EU courts Exxon, darling.", ">\n\nBold move, cotton." ]

[ "Wow, how unfair of the EU to impose a windfall tax on oil and gas companies that have been benefiting from increased profits due to supply concerns. I mean, what gives them the right to try and recoup some of that extra money for the benefit of the public? And how dare they discourage investment by major players in the industry like ExxonMobil, who just reported a quarterly profit of almost $20 billion. I'm sure those profits will be much more important to the company than the well-being of the European people and the transition to a more sustainable energy future.", ">\n\nI think the execs probably need to sue regardless, even if they know they will lose, to appease shareholders, so they can say they tried, or risk losing their position in the company. The lawsuit shouldn't matter if the tax is was legally implemented.", ">\n\nI hope they lose and the EU are awarded damages on top of the original tax.", ">\n\nYeah, I think it's reasonable for EU to be awarded whatever legal cost they incur fighting the lawsuit. I think it will ultimately be a negligible amount for Exxon, though.", ">\n\nYou never know; due to the increased cost of living, I'm sure lawyers will cost a lot more too.", ">\n\nHave fun in EU courts Exxon, darling.", ">\n\nBold move, cotton.", ">\n\nWhether we invest here depends how attractive Europe is. \nSo 20bn profit isn’t attractive? \n(Yes, I know 20bn profit isn’t solely from Europe) but a chunk of it is." ]

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[ "holy crap this is a pretty build. specs? id really like to get this case if it’s available" ]

[ "holy crap this is a pretty build. specs? id really like to get this case if it’s available", ">\n\nThank you! I'll message you the links if you like, but here's the build:\nBoard\nNCR-80 TKL ANSI hotswap from YMDKey (went for the 7u spacebar option cos...symmetry, and I need my winkeys)\n*note: you'll need to solder the LEDS for the indicator lights on the top right on your own\nSwitches\nRest of board: Gateron Ink Black v2s (L+F)\nSpacebar, Escape: Emogogo Cream 01 Linears (L+F)\nKeycaps\nDrop x Matt3o Mt3 Susuwatari base kit\nMods\nCar noise dampening foam on case bottom\nPE foam between the plate and PCB\nTape mod 1 layer on the bottom of the PCB" ]

[ "holy crap this is a pretty build. specs? id really like to get this case if it’s available", ">\n\nThank you! I'll message you the links if you like, but here's the build:\nBoard\nNCR-80 TKL ANSI hotswap from YMDKey (went for the 7u spacebar option cos...symmetry, and I need my winkeys)\n*note: you'll need to solder the LEDS for the indicator lights on the top right on your own\nSwitches\nRest of board: Gateron Ink Black v2s (L+F)\nSpacebar, Escape: Emogogo Cream 01 Linears (L+F)\nKeycaps\nDrop x Matt3o Mt3 Susuwatari base kit\nMods\nCar noise dampening foam on case bottom\nPE foam between the plate and PCB\nTape mod 1 layer on the bottom of the PCB", ">\n\nthanks so much👍🏻" ]

[ "holy crap this is a pretty build. specs? id really like to get this case if it’s available", ">\n\nThank you! I'll message you the links if you like, but here's the build:\nBoard\nNCR-80 TKL ANSI hotswap from YMDKey (went for the 7u spacebar option cos...symmetry, and I need my winkeys)\n*note: you'll need to solder the LEDS for the indicator lights on the top right on your own\nSwitches\nRest of board: Gateron Ink Black v2s (L+F)\nSpacebar, Escape: Emogogo Cream 01 Linears (L+F)\nKeycaps\nDrop x Matt3o Mt3 Susuwatari base kit\nMods\nCar noise dampening foam on case bottom\nPE foam between the plate and PCB\nTape mod 1 layer on the bottom of the PCB", ">\n\nthanks so much👍🏻", ">\n\nNo worries!" ]

[ "holy crap this is a pretty build. specs? id really like to get this case if it’s available", ">\n\nThank you! I'll message you the links if you like, but here's the build:\nBoard\nNCR-80 TKL ANSI hotswap from YMDKey (went for the 7u spacebar option cos...symmetry, and I need my winkeys)\n*note: you'll need to solder the LEDS for the indicator lights on the top right on your own\nSwitches\nRest of board: Gateron Ink Black v2s (L+F)\nSpacebar, Escape: Emogogo Cream 01 Linears (L+F)\nKeycaps\nDrop x Matt3o Mt3 Susuwatari base kit\nMods\nCar noise dampening foam on case bottom\nPE foam between the plate and PCB\nTape mod 1 layer on the bottom of the PCB", ">\n\nthanks so much👍🏻", ">\n\nNo worries!", ">\n\nMt33333333" ]

[ "holy crap this is a pretty build. specs? id really like to get this case if it’s available", ">\n\nThank you! I'll message you the links if you like, but here's the build:\nBoard\nNCR-80 TKL ANSI hotswap from YMDKey (went for the 7u spacebar option cos...symmetry, and I need my winkeys)\n*note: you'll need to solder the LEDS for the indicator lights on the top right on your own\nSwitches\nRest of board: Gateron Ink Black v2s (L+F)\nSpacebar, Escape: Emogogo Cream 01 Linears (L+F)\nKeycaps\nDrop x Matt3o Mt3 Susuwatari base kit\nMods\nCar noise dampening foam on case bottom\nPE foam between the plate and PCB\nTape mod 1 layer on the bottom of the PCB", ">\n\nthanks so much👍🏻", ">\n\nNo worries!", ">\n\nMt33333333", ">\n\nFreaking beautiful board. Ordered the MT3 Susuwatari keycaps and I cannot wait to put 'em on!" ]

[ "holy crap this is a pretty build. specs? id really like to get this case if it’s available", ">\n\nThank you! I'll message you the links if you like, but here's the build:\nBoard\nNCR-80 TKL ANSI hotswap from YMDKey (went for the 7u spacebar option cos...symmetry, and I need my winkeys)\n*note: you'll need to solder the LEDS for the indicator lights on the top right on your own\nSwitches\nRest of board: Gateron Ink Black v2s (L+F)\nSpacebar, Escape: Emogogo Cream 01 Linears (L+F)\nKeycaps\nDrop x Matt3o Mt3 Susuwatari base kit\nMods\nCar noise dampening foam on case bottom\nPE foam between the plate and PCB\nTape mod 1 layer on the bottom of the PCB", ">\n\nthanks so much👍🏻", ">\n\nNo worries!", ">\n\nMt33333333", ">\n\nFreaking beautiful board. Ordered the MT3 Susuwatari keycaps and I cannot wait to put 'em on!", ">\n\nsick! ncr80boys" ]

[ "holy crap this is a pretty build. specs? id really like to get this case if it’s available", ">\n\nThank you! I'll message you the links if you like, but here's the build:\nBoard\nNCR-80 TKL ANSI hotswap from YMDKey (went for the 7u spacebar option cos...symmetry, and I need my winkeys)\n*note: you'll need to solder the LEDS for the indicator lights on the top right on your own\nSwitches\nRest of board: Gateron Ink Black v2s (L+F)\nSpacebar, Escape: Emogogo Cream 01 Linears (L+F)\nKeycaps\nDrop x Matt3o Mt3 Susuwatari base kit\nMods\nCar noise dampening foam on case bottom\nPE foam between the plate and PCB\nTape mod 1 layer on the bottom of the PCB", ">\n\nthanks so much👍🏻", ">\n\nNo worries!", ">\n\nMt33333333", ">\n\nFreaking beautiful board. Ordered the MT3 Susuwatari keycaps and I cannot wait to put 'em on!", ">\n\nsick! ncr80boys", ">\n\nYeeee" ]

[ "holy crap this is a pretty build. specs? id really like to get this case if it’s available", ">\n\nThank you! I'll message you the links if you like, but here's the build:\nBoard\nNCR-80 TKL ANSI hotswap from YMDKey (went for the 7u spacebar option cos...symmetry, and I need my winkeys)\n*note: you'll need to solder the LEDS for the indicator lights on the top right on your own\nSwitches\nRest of board: Gateron Ink Black v2s (L+F)\nSpacebar, Escape: Emogogo Cream 01 Linears (L+F)\nKeycaps\nDrop x Matt3o Mt3 Susuwatari base kit\nMods\nCar noise dampening foam on case bottom\nPE foam between the plate and PCB\nTape mod 1 layer on the bottom of the PCB", ">\n\nthanks so much👍🏻", ">\n\nNo worries!", ">\n\nMt33333333", ">\n\nFreaking beautiful board. Ordered the MT3 Susuwatari keycaps and I cannot wait to put 'em on!", ">\n\nsick! ncr80boys", ">\n\nYeeee", ">\n\nBeautiful looking keyboard. \nYou swap the A and S keys?" ]

[ "holy crap this is a pretty build. specs? id really like to get this case if it’s available", ">\n\nThank you! I'll message you the links if you like, but here's the build:\nBoard\nNCR-80 TKL ANSI hotswap from YMDKey (went for the 7u spacebar option cos...symmetry, and I need my winkeys)\n*note: you'll need to solder the LEDS for the indicator lights on the top right on your own\nSwitches\nRest of board: Gateron Ink Black v2s (L+F)\nSpacebar, Escape: Emogogo Cream 01 Linears (L+F)\nKeycaps\nDrop x Matt3o Mt3 Susuwatari base kit\nMods\nCar noise dampening foam on case bottom\nPE foam between the plate and PCB\nTape mod 1 layer on the bottom of the PCB", ">\n\nthanks so much👍🏻", ">\n\nNo worries!", ">\n\nMt33333333", ">\n\nFreaking beautiful board. Ordered the MT3 Susuwatari keycaps and I cannot wait to put 'em on!", ">\n\nsick! ncr80boys", ">\n\nYeeee", ">\n\nBeautiful looking keyboard. \nYou swap the A and S keys?", ">\n\nJust for the memes hahaha. Keys aren't re-mapped" ]

[ "holy crap this is a pretty build. specs? id really like to get this case if it’s available", ">\n\nThank you! I'll message you the links if you like, but here's the build:\nBoard\nNCR-80 TKL ANSI hotswap from YMDKey (went for the 7u spacebar option cos...symmetry, and I need my winkeys)\n*note: you'll need to solder the LEDS for the indicator lights on the top right on your own\nSwitches\nRest of board: Gateron Ink Black v2s (L+F)\nSpacebar, Escape: Emogogo Cream 01 Linears (L+F)\nKeycaps\nDrop x Matt3o Mt3 Susuwatari base kit\nMods\nCar noise dampening foam on case bottom\nPE foam between the plate and PCB\nTape mod 1 layer on the bottom of the PCB", ">\n\nthanks so much👍🏻", ">\n\nNo worries!", ">\n\nMt33333333", ">\n\nFreaking beautiful board. Ordered the MT3 Susuwatari keycaps and I cannot wait to put 'em on!", ">\n\nsick! ncr80boys", ">\n\nYeeee", ">\n\nBeautiful looking keyboard. \nYou swap the A and S keys?", ">\n\nJust for the memes hahaha. Keys aren't re-mapped", ">\n\nThis will be my next keyboard…" ]

[ "holy crap this is a pretty build. specs? id really like to get this case if it’s available", ">\n\nThank you! I'll message you the links if you like, but here's the build:\nBoard\nNCR-80 TKL ANSI hotswap from YMDKey (went for the 7u spacebar option cos...symmetry, and I need my winkeys)\n*note: you'll need to solder the LEDS for the indicator lights on the top right on your own\nSwitches\nRest of board: Gateron Ink Black v2s (L+F)\nSpacebar, Escape: Emogogo Cream 01 Linears (L+F)\nKeycaps\nDrop x Matt3o Mt3 Susuwatari base kit\nMods\nCar noise dampening foam on case bottom\nPE foam between the plate and PCB\nTape mod 1 layer on the bottom of the PCB", ">\n\nthanks so much👍🏻", ">\n\nNo worries!", ">\n\nMt33333333", ">\n\nFreaking beautiful board. Ordered the MT3 Susuwatari keycaps and I cannot wait to put 'em on!", ">\n\nsick! ncr80boys", ">\n\nYeeee", ">\n\nBeautiful looking keyboard. \nYou swap the A and S keys?", ">\n\nJust for the memes hahaha. Keys aren't re-mapped", ">\n\nThis will be my next keyboard…", ">\n\nDew it" ]

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[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good." ]

[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good.", ">\n\nRepublican leadership likes a guy like this. Meadows was demonstrating some real rat fuck behavior, and that goes along way with this current iteration of the GOP." ]

[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good.", ">\n\nRepublican leadership likes a guy like this. Meadows was demonstrating some real rat fuck behavior, and that goes along way with this current iteration of the GOP.", ">\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics? The last 6-7 years, the GOP has really leaned into the overt cruelty, corruption, lies, etc. and their voters fucking love it.\nNobody ever gets held accountable and as long as their voters like it, they’ll just get more and more bold. I don’t know how to even fight against this mentality." ]

[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good.", ">\n\nRepublican leadership likes a guy like this. Meadows was demonstrating some real rat fuck behavior, and that goes along way with this current iteration of the GOP.", ">\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics? The last 6-7 years, the GOP has really leaned into the overt cruelty, corruption, lies, etc. and their voters fucking love it.\nNobody ever gets held accountable and as long as their voters like it, they’ll just get more and more bold. I don’t know how to even fight against this mentality.", ">\n\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics?\n\nYou get a voting system in place that allows people to express their displeasure without having to completely sacrifice their other principles.\nA conservative is still going to vote Republican, not because they think burning documents is best practise, but because they value conservatism. There are no other avenues for them to vote for conservative values in a first-past-the-post system.\nFirst-past-the-post doesn't give a shit about your political opinion, beyond \"these 2 choices\". The People cannot exercise their duty when it's the same two unpunished parties over and over.\nInstead, it will turn the people against each other as the political system becomes calcified into nothing more than an ongoing series of football matches played by the same two teams for eternity.\nThe political class really has the public right where they want them - fighting amongst themselves instead of channelling that energy into demanding and rewarding better governance." ]

[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good.", ">\n\nRepublican leadership likes a guy like this. Meadows was demonstrating some real rat fuck behavior, and that goes along way with this current iteration of the GOP.", ">\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics? The last 6-7 years, the GOP has really leaned into the overt cruelty, corruption, lies, etc. and their voters fucking love it.\nNobody ever gets held accountable and as long as their voters like it, they’ll just get more and more bold. I don’t know how to even fight against this mentality.", ">\n\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics?\n\nYou get a voting system in place that allows people to express their displeasure without having to completely sacrifice their other principles.\nA conservative is still going to vote Republican, not because they think burning documents is best practise, but because they value conservatism. There are no other avenues for them to vote for conservative values in a first-past-the-post system.\nFirst-past-the-post doesn't give a shit about your political opinion, beyond \"these 2 choices\". The People cannot exercise their duty when it's the same two unpunished parties over and over.\nInstead, it will turn the people against each other as the political system becomes calcified into nothing more than an ongoing series of football matches played by the same two teams for eternity.\nThe political class really has the public right where they want them - fighting amongst themselves instead of channelling that energy into demanding and rewarding better governance.", ">\n\nSpoiler… they don’t value conservatism. \nNo conservatives are fucking conservative. \nThey are dumb as fuck. The people leading their party don’t practice religion like they pretend they do, they all have abortions etc. They just get people all excited about this shit even though it doesn’t actually mean shit to them." ]

[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good.", ">\n\nRepublican leadership likes a guy like this. Meadows was demonstrating some real rat fuck behavior, and that goes along way with this current iteration of the GOP.", ">\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics? The last 6-7 years, the GOP has really leaned into the overt cruelty, corruption, lies, etc. and their voters fucking love it.\nNobody ever gets held accountable and as long as their voters like it, they’ll just get more and more bold. I don’t know how to even fight against this mentality.", ">\n\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics?\n\nYou get a voting system in place that allows people to express their displeasure without having to completely sacrifice their other principles.\nA conservative is still going to vote Republican, not because they think burning documents is best practise, but because they value conservatism. There are no other avenues for them to vote for conservative values in a first-past-the-post system.\nFirst-past-the-post doesn't give a shit about your political opinion, beyond \"these 2 choices\". The People cannot exercise their duty when it's the same two unpunished parties over and over.\nInstead, it will turn the people against each other as the political system becomes calcified into nothing more than an ongoing series of football matches played by the same two teams for eternity.\nThe political class really has the public right where they want them - fighting amongst themselves instead of channelling that energy into demanding and rewarding better governance.", ">\n\nSpoiler… they don’t value conservatism. \nNo conservatives are fucking conservative. \nThey are dumb as fuck. The people leading their party don’t practice religion like they pretend they do, they all have abortions etc. They just get people all excited about this shit even though it doesn’t actually mean shit to them.", ">\n\nThat's missing the point really, and falling into the mode that better suits politicians than it does the citizenry. \nI wouldn't necessarily take what the Republican party does as what all conservatives really, 100% want. It's just the closest to it.\nGet a system that provides more options, ranging from centrist all the way through the MAGA nutjobs and then see who they vote for before making a judgement.\nIf the US is like every other country in the world (and I have seen no reason to think otherwise), there's probably a large central mass of voters who, while on different sides of the political spectrum, probably agree on more things than is evident.\nBut the current political system doesn't accurately portray that. And the media certainly didn't fucking help either." ]

[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good.", ">\n\nRepublican leadership likes a guy like this. Meadows was demonstrating some real rat fuck behavior, and that goes along way with this current iteration of the GOP.", ">\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics? The last 6-7 years, the GOP has really leaned into the overt cruelty, corruption, lies, etc. and their voters fucking love it.\nNobody ever gets held accountable and as long as their voters like it, they’ll just get more and more bold. I don’t know how to even fight against this mentality.", ">\n\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics?\n\nYou get a voting system in place that allows people to express their displeasure without having to completely sacrifice their other principles.\nA conservative is still going to vote Republican, not because they think burning documents is best practise, but because they value conservatism. There are no other avenues for them to vote for conservative values in a first-past-the-post system.\nFirst-past-the-post doesn't give a shit about your political opinion, beyond \"these 2 choices\". The People cannot exercise their duty when it's the same two unpunished parties over and over.\nInstead, it will turn the people against each other as the political system becomes calcified into nothing more than an ongoing series of football matches played by the same two teams for eternity.\nThe political class really has the public right where they want them - fighting amongst themselves instead of channelling that energy into demanding and rewarding better governance.", ">\n\nSpoiler… they don’t value conservatism. \nNo conservatives are fucking conservative. \nThey are dumb as fuck. The people leading their party don’t practice religion like they pretend they do, they all have abortions etc. They just get people all excited about this shit even though it doesn’t actually mean shit to them.", ">\n\nThat's missing the point really, and falling into the mode that better suits politicians than it does the citizenry. \nI wouldn't necessarily take what the Republican party does as what all conservatives really, 100% want. It's just the closest to it.\nGet a system that provides more options, ranging from centrist all the way through the MAGA nutjobs and then see who they vote for before making a judgement.\nIf the US is like every other country in the world (and I have seen no reason to think otherwise), there's probably a large central mass of voters who, while on different sides of the political spectrum, probably agree on more things than is evident.\nBut the current political system doesn't accurately portray that. And the media certainly didn't fucking help either.", ">\n\nNeither party will ever let that happen." ]

[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good.", ">\n\nRepublican leadership likes a guy like this. Meadows was demonstrating some real rat fuck behavior, and that goes along way with this current iteration of the GOP.", ">\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics? The last 6-7 years, the GOP has really leaned into the overt cruelty, corruption, lies, etc. and their voters fucking love it.\nNobody ever gets held accountable and as long as their voters like it, they’ll just get more and more bold. I don’t know how to even fight against this mentality.", ">\n\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics?\n\nYou get a voting system in place that allows people to express their displeasure without having to completely sacrifice their other principles.\nA conservative is still going to vote Republican, not because they think burning documents is best practise, but because they value conservatism. There are no other avenues for them to vote for conservative values in a first-past-the-post system.\nFirst-past-the-post doesn't give a shit about your political opinion, beyond \"these 2 choices\". The People cannot exercise their duty when it's the same two unpunished parties over and over.\nInstead, it will turn the people against each other as the political system becomes calcified into nothing more than an ongoing series of football matches played by the same two teams for eternity.\nThe political class really has the public right where they want them - fighting amongst themselves instead of channelling that energy into demanding and rewarding better governance.", ">\n\nSpoiler… they don’t value conservatism. \nNo conservatives are fucking conservative. \nThey are dumb as fuck. The people leading their party don’t practice religion like they pretend they do, they all have abortions etc. They just get people all excited about this shit even though it doesn’t actually mean shit to them.", ">\n\nThat's missing the point really, and falling into the mode that better suits politicians than it does the citizenry. \nI wouldn't necessarily take what the Republican party does as what all conservatives really, 100% want. It's just the closest to it.\nGet a system that provides more options, ranging from centrist all the way through the MAGA nutjobs and then see who they vote for before making a judgement.\nIf the US is like every other country in the world (and I have seen no reason to think otherwise), there's probably a large central mass of voters who, while on different sides of the political spectrum, probably agree on more things than is evident.\nBut the current political system doesn't accurately portray that. And the media certainly didn't fucking help either.", ">\n\nNeither party will ever let that happen.", ">\n\nThis should be an indicator of how deep the problem goes - it shouldn't be up to the parties. They should be responding to the demands of the people.\nThe FPTP issue is compounded by the US not having mandatory voting. This means parties don't need to consider everyone - a winning strategy can simply be \"be as different to the other team as possible, and create wedge issues that we can throw to our supporters to make them mad enough to vote for us\". They don't have to cater to anyone other than their bases.\nPeople are hung up on the issues that political parties want them to be hung up on. Wedge issues are valid, but in the scheme of things aren't as important as making sure elections are reflective of the actual will of the people." ]

[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good.", ">\n\nRepublican leadership likes a guy like this. Meadows was demonstrating some real rat fuck behavior, and that goes along way with this current iteration of the GOP.", ">\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics? The last 6-7 years, the GOP has really leaned into the overt cruelty, corruption, lies, etc. and their voters fucking love it.\nNobody ever gets held accountable and as long as their voters like it, they’ll just get more and more bold. I don’t know how to even fight against this mentality.", ">\n\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics?\n\nYou get a voting system in place that allows people to express their displeasure without having to completely sacrifice their other principles.\nA conservative is still going to vote Republican, not because they think burning documents is best practise, but because they value conservatism. There are no other avenues for them to vote for conservative values in a first-past-the-post system.\nFirst-past-the-post doesn't give a shit about your political opinion, beyond \"these 2 choices\". The People cannot exercise their duty when it's the same two unpunished parties over and over.\nInstead, it will turn the people against each other as the political system becomes calcified into nothing more than an ongoing series of football matches played by the same two teams for eternity.\nThe political class really has the public right where they want them - fighting amongst themselves instead of channelling that energy into demanding and rewarding better governance.", ">\n\nSpoiler… they don’t value conservatism. \nNo conservatives are fucking conservative. \nThey are dumb as fuck. The people leading their party don’t practice religion like they pretend they do, they all have abortions etc. They just get people all excited about this shit even though it doesn’t actually mean shit to them.", ">\n\nThat's missing the point really, and falling into the mode that better suits politicians than it does the citizenry. \nI wouldn't necessarily take what the Republican party does as what all conservatives really, 100% want. It's just the closest to it.\nGet a system that provides more options, ranging from centrist all the way through the MAGA nutjobs and then see who they vote for before making a judgement.\nIf the US is like every other country in the world (and I have seen no reason to think otherwise), there's probably a large central mass of voters who, while on different sides of the political spectrum, probably agree on more things than is evident.\nBut the current political system doesn't accurately portray that. And the media certainly didn't fucking help either.", ">\n\nNeither party will ever let that happen.", ">\n\nThis should be an indicator of how deep the problem goes - it shouldn't be up to the parties. They should be responding to the demands of the people.\nThe FPTP issue is compounded by the US not having mandatory voting. This means parties don't need to consider everyone - a winning strategy can simply be \"be as different to the other team as possible, and create wedge issues that we can throw to our supporters to make them mad enough to vote for us\". They don't have to cater to anyone other than their bases.\nPeople are hung up on the issues that political parties want them to be hung up on. Wedge issues are valid, but in the scheme of things aren't as important as making sure elections are reflective of the actual will of the people.", ">\n\nA perfect example of this is the republicans current fixation: trans issues. Only between 0.5%-1.5% of the US population identify as transgender and yet if you listened to Republicans, you would think this number is considerably higher." ]

[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good.", ">\n\nRepublican leadership likes a guy like this. Meadows was demonstrating some real rat fuck behavior, and that goes along way with this current iteration of the GOP.", ">\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics? The last 6-7 years, the GOP has really leaned into the overt cruelty, corruption, lies, etc. and their voters fucking love it.\nNobody ever gets held accountable and as long as their voters like it, they’ll just get more and more bold. I don’t know how to even fight against this mentality.", ">\n\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics?\n\nYou get a voting system in place that allows people to express their displeasure without having to completely sacrifice their other principles.\nA conservative is still going to vote Republican, not because they think burning documents is best practise, but because they value conservatism. There are no other avenues for them to vote for conservative values in a first-past-the-post system.\nFirst-past-the-post doesn't give a shit about your political opinion, beyond \"these 2 choices\". The People cannot exercise their duty when it's the same two unpunished parties over and over.\nInstead, it will turn the people against each other as the political system becomes calcified into nothing more than an ongoing series of football matches played by the same two teams for eternity.\nThe political class really has the public right where they want them - fighting amongst themselves instead of channelling that energy into demanding and rewarding better governance.", ">\n\nSpoiler… they don’t value conservatism. \nNo conservatives are fucking conservative. \nThey are dumb as fuck. The people leading their party don’t practice religion like they pretend they do, they all have abortions etc. They just get people all excited about this shit even though it doesn’t actually mean shit to them.", ">\n\nThat's missing the point really, and falling into the mode that better suits politicians than it does the citizenry. \nI wouldn't necessarily take what the Republican party does as what all conservatives really, 100% want. It's just the closest to it.\nGet a system that provides more options, ranging from centrist all the way through the MAGA nutjobs and then see who they vote for before making a judgement.\nIf the US is like every other country in the world (and I have seen no reason to think otherwise), there's probably a large central mass of voters who, while on different sides of the political spectrum, probably agree on more things than is evident.\nBut the current political system doesn't accurately portray that. And the media certainly didn't fucking help either.", ">\n\nNeither party will ever let that happen.", ">\n\nThis should be an indicator of how deep the problem goes - it shouldn't be up to the parties. They should be responding to the demands of the people.\nThe FPTP issue is compounded by the US not having mandatory voting. This means parties don't need to consider everyone - a winning strategy can simply be \"be as different to the other team as possible, and create wedge issues that we can throw to our supporters to make them mad enough to vote for us\". They don't have to cater to anyone other than their bases.\nPeople are hung up on the issues that political parties want them to be hung up on. Wedge issues are valid, but in the scheme of things aren't as important as making sure elections are reflective of the actual will of the people.", ">\n\nA perfect example of this is the republicans current fixation: trans issues. Only between 0.5%-1.5% of the US population identify as transgender and yet if you listened to Republicans, you would think this number is considerably higher.", ">\n\nI find it interesting how closely the trump White House was working hand-in-hand with its congressional saboteurs, the House Freedom Caucus, to stage a coup.\nMark Meadows is one the Freedom Caucus' co-founders, Scott Perry is its current Chairman.\nMick Mulvaney, who is yet another co-founder of the Freedom Caucus, and also trump's former Chief of Staff, once said, \"Trump wants to turn Washington upside down – that was his first message and his winning message. We want the exact same thing.\"\nWatch this caucus closely, they are an ongoing threat to democracy, even if trump never returns to the White House. Meanwhile, one of the caucus' other co-founders, Ron DeSantis, has a good chance of picking up where trump and his saboteurs left off." ]

[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good.", ">\n\nRepublican leadership likes a guy like this. Meadows was demonstrating some real rat fuck behavior, and that goes along way with this current iteration of the GOP.", ">\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics? The last 6-7 years, the GOP has really leaned into the overt cruelty, corruption, lies, etc. and their voters fucking love it.\nNobody ever gets held accountable and as long as their voters like it, they’ll just get more and more bold. I don’t know how to even fight against this mentality.", ">\n\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics?\n\nYou get a voting system in place that allows people to express their displeasure without having to completely sacrifice their other principles.\nA conservative is still going to vote Republican, not because they think burning documents is best practise, but because they value conservatism. There are no other avenues for them to vote for conservative values in a first-past-the-post system.\nFirst-past-the-post doesn't give a shit about your political opinion, beyond \"these 2 choices\". The People cannot exercise their duty when it's the same two unpunished parties over and over.\nInstead, it will turn the people against each other as the political system becomes calcified into nothing more than an ongoing series of football matches played by the same two teams for eternity.\nThe political class really has the public right where they want them - fighting amongst themselves instead of channelling that energy into demanding and rewarding better governance.", ">\n\nSpoiler… they don’t value conservatism. \nNo conservatives are fucking conservative. \nThey are dumb as fuck. The people leading their party don’t practice religion like they pretend they do, they all have abortions etc. They just get people all excited about this shit even though it doesn’t actually mean shit to them.", ">\n\nThat's missing the point really, and falling into the mode that better suits politicians than it does the citizenry. \nI wouldn't necessarily take what the Republican party does as what all conservatives really, 100% want. It's just the closest to it.\nGet a system that provides more options, ranging from centrist all the way through the MAGA nutjobs and then see who they vote for before making a judgement.\nIf the US is like every other country in the world (and I have seen no reason to think otherwise), there's probably a large central mass of voters who, while on different sides of the political spectrum, probably agree on more things than is evident.\nBut the current political system doesn't accurately portray that. And the media certainly didn't fucking help either.", ">\n\nNeither party will ever let that happen.", ">\n\nThis should be an indicator of how deep the problem goes - it shouldn't be up to the parties. They should be responding to the demands of the people.\nThe FPTP issue is compounded by the US not having mandatory voting. This means parties don't need to consider everyone - a winning strategy can simply be \"be as different to the other team as possible, and create wedge issues that we can throw to our supporters to make them mad enough to vote for us\". They don't have to cater to anyone other than their bases.\nPeople are hung up on the issues that political parties want them to be hung up on. Wedge issues are valid, but in the scheme of things aren't as important as making sure elections are reflective of the actual will of the people.", ">\n\nA perfect example of this is the republicans current fixation: trans issues. Only between 0.5%-1.5% of the US population identify as transgender and yet if you listened to Republicans, you would think this number is considerably higher.", ">\n\nI find it interesting how closely the trump White House was working hand-in-hand with its congressional saboteurs, the House Freedom Caucus, to stage a coup.\nMark Meadows is one the Freedom Caucus' co-founders, Scott Perry is its current Chairman.\nMick Mulvaney, who is yet another co-founder of the Freedom Caucus, and also trump's former Chief of Staff, once said, \"Trump wants to turn Washington upside down – that was his first message and his winning message. We want the exact same thing.\"\nWatch this caucus closely, they are an ongoing threat to democracy, even if trump never returns to the White House. Meanwhile, one of the caucus' other co-founders, Ron DeSantis, has a good chance of picking up where trump and his saboteurs left off.", ">\n\nThey're essentially also the Pro Putin Caucus if you consider how a majority of them have voted against Ukraine aid/other bills having to do with war - and the general parroting of Kremlin talking points." ]

[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good.", ">\n\nRepublican leadership likes a guy like this. Meadows was demonstrating some real rat fuck behavior, and that goes along way with this current iteration of the GOP.", ">\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics? The last 6-7 years, the GOP has really leaned into the overt cruelty, corruption, lies, etc. and their voters fucking love it.\nNobody ever gets held accountable and as long as their voters like it, they’ll just get more and more bold. I don’t know how to even fight against this mentality.", ">\n\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics?\n\nYou get a voting system in place that allows people to express their displeasure without having to completely sacrifice their other principles.\nA conservative is still going to vote Republican, not because they think burning documents is best practise, but because they value conservatism. There are no other avenues for them to vote for conservative values in a first-past-the-post system.\nFirst-past-the-post doesn't give a shit about your political opinion, beyond \"these 2 choices\". The People cannot exercise their duty when it's the same two unpunished parties over and over.\nInstead, it will turn the people against each other as the political system becomes calcified into nothing more than an ongoing series of football matches played by the same two teams for eternity.\nThe political class really has the public right where they want them - fighting amongst themselves instead of channelling that energy into demanding and rewarding better governance.", ">\n\nSpoiler… they don’t value conservatism. \nNo conservatives are fucking conservative. \nThey are dumb as fuck. The people leading their party don’t practice religion like they pretend they do, they all have abortions etc. They just get people all excited about this shit even though it doesn’t actually mean shit to them.", ">\n\nThat's missing the point really, and falling into the mode that better suits politicians than it does the citizenry. \nI wouldn't necessarily take what the Republican party does as what all conservatives really, 100% want. It's just the closest to it.\nGet a system that provides more options, ranging from centrist all the way through the MAGA nutjobs and then see who they vote for before making a judgement.\nIf the US is like every other country in the world (and I have seen no reason to think otherwise), there's probably a large central mass of voters who, while on different sides of the political spectrum, probably agree on more things than is evident.\nBut the current political system doesn't accurately portray that. And the media certainly didn't fucking help either.", ">\n\nNeither party will ever let that happen.", ">\n\nThis should be an indicator of how deep the problem goes - it shouldn't be up to the parties. They should be responding to the demands of the people.\nThe FPTP issue is compounded by the US not having mandatory voting. This means parties don't need to consider everyone - a winning strategy can simply be \"be as different to the other team as possible, and create wedge issues that we can throw to our supporters to make them mad enough to vote for us\". They don't have to cater to anyone other than their bases.\nPeople are hung up on the issues that political parties want them to be hung up on. Wedge issues are valid, but in the scheme of things aren't as important as making sure elections are reflective of the actual will of the people.", ">\n\nA perfect example of this is the republicans current fixation: trans issues. Only between 0.5%-1.5% of the US population identify as transgender and yet if you listened to Republicans, you would think this number is considerably higher.", ">\n\nI find it interesting how closely the trump White House was working hand-in-hand with its congressional saboteurs, the House Freedom Caucus, to stage a coup.\nMark Meadows is one the Freedom Caucus' co-founders, Scott Perry is its current Chairman.\nMick Mulvaney, who is yet another co-founder of the Freedom Caucus, and also trump's former Chief of Staff, once said, \"Trump wants to turn Washington upside down – that was his first message and his winning message. We want the exact same thing.\"\nWatch this caucus closely, they are an ongoing threat to democracy, even if trump never returns to the White House. Meanwhile, one of the caucus' other co-founders, Ron DeSantis, has a good chance of picking up where trump and his saboteurs left off.", ">\n\nThey're essentially also the Pro Putin Caucus if you consider how a majority of them have voted against Ukraine aid/other bills having to do with war - and the general parroting of Kremlin talking points.", ">\n\nYes, they are also the pro Putin caucus, or known by their other nick name, the Treason Caucus. Just recently, two members, Boebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky during his congressional address. Many other members did not even attend the speech." ]

[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good.", ">\n\nRepublican leadership likes a guy like this. Meadows was demonstrating some real rat fuck behavior, and that goes along way with this current iteration of the GOP.", ">\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics? The last 6-7 years, the GOP has really leaned into the overt cruelty, corruption, lies, etc. and their voters fucking love it.\nNobody ever gets held accountable and as long as their voters like it, they’ll just get more and more bold. I don’t know how to even fight against this mentality.", ">\n\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics?\n\nYou get a voting system in place that allows people to express their displeasure without having to completely sacrifice their other principles.\nA conservative is still going to vote Republican, not because they think burning documents is best practise, but because they value conservatism. There are no other avenues for them to vote for conservative values in a first-past-the-post system.\nFirst-past-the-post doesn't give a shit about your political opinion, beyond \"these 2 choices\". The People cannot exercise their duty when it's the same two unpunished parties over and over.\nInstead, it will turn the people against each other as the political system becomes calcified into nothing more than an ongoing series of football matches played by the same two teams for eternity.\nThe political class really has the public right where they want them - fighting amongst themselves instead of channelling that energy into demanding and rewarding better governance.", ">\n\nSpoiler… they don’t value conservatism. \nNo conservatives are fucking conservative. \nThey are dumb as fuck. The people leading their party don’t practice religion like they pretend they do, they all have abortions etc. They just get people all excited about this shit even though it doesn’t actually mean shit to them.", ">\n\nThat's missing the point really, and falling into the mode that better suits politicians than it does the citizenry. \nI wouldn't necessarily take what the Republican party does as what all conservatives really, 100% want. It's just the closest to it.\nGet a system that provides more options, ranging from centrist all the way through the MAGA nutjobs and then see who they vote for before making a judgement.\nIf the US is like every other country in the world (and I have seen no reason to think otherwise), there's probably a large central mass of voters who, while on different sides of the political spectrum, probably agree on more things than is evident.\nBut the current political system doesn't accurately portray that. And the media certainly didn't fucking help either.", ">\n\nNeither party will ever let that happen.", ">\n\nThis should be an indicator of how deep the problem goes - it shouldn't be up to the parties. They should be responding to the demands of the people.\nThe FPTP issue is compounded by the US not having mandatory voting. This means parties don't need to consider everyone - a winning strategy can simply be \"be as different to the other team as possible, and create wedge issues that we can throw to our supporters to make them mad enough to vote for us\". They don't have to cater to anyone other than their bases.\nPeople are hung up on the issues that political parties want them to be hung up on. Wedge issues are valid, but in the scheme of things aren't as important as making sure elections are reflective of the actual will of the people.", ">\n\nA perfect example of this is the republicans current fixation: trans issues. Only between 0.5%-1.5% of the US population identify as transgender and yet if you listened to Republicans, you would think this number is considerably higher.", ">\n\nI find it interesting how closely the trump White House was working hand-in-hand with its congressional saboteurs, the House Freedom Caucus, to stage a coup.\nMark Meadows is one the Freedom Caucus' co-founders, Scott Perry is its current Chairman.\nMick Mulvaney, who is yet another co-founder of the Freedom Caucus, and also trump's former Chief of Staff, once said, \"Trump wants to turn Washington upside down – that was his first message and his winning message. We want the exact same thing.\"\nWatch this caucus closely, they are an ongoing threat to democracy, even if trump never returns to the White House. Meanwhile, one of the caucus' other co-founders, Ron DeSantis, has a good chance of picking up where trump and his saboteurs left off.", ">\n\nThey're essentially also the Pro Putin Caucus if you consider how a majority of them have voted against Ukraine aid/other bills having to do with war - and the general parroting of Kremlin talking points.", ">\n\nYes, they are also the pro Putin caucus, or known by their other nick name, the Treason Caucus. Just recently, two members, Boebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky during his congressional address. Many other members did not even attend the speech.", ">\n\n\nBoebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky\n\nAnd Russian media noticed and praised them for it." ]

[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good.", ">\n\nRepublican leadership likes a guy like this. Meadows was demonstrating some real rat fuck behavior, and that goes along way with this current iteration of the GOP.", ">\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics? The last 6-7 years, the GOP has really leaned into the overt cruelty, corruption, lies, etc. and their voters fucking love it.\nNobody ever gets held accountable and as long as their voters like it, they’ll just get more and more bold. I don’t know how to even fight against this mentality.", ">\n\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics?\n\nYou get a voting system in place that allows people to express their displeasure without having to completely sacrifice their other principles.\nA conservative is still going to vote Republican, not because they think burning documents is best practise, but because they value conservatism. There are no other avenues for them to vote for conservative values in a first-past-the-post system.\nFirst-past-the-post doesn't give a shit about your political opinion, beyond \"these 2 choices\". The People cannot exercise their duty when it's the same two unpunished parties over and over.\nInstead, it will turn the people against each other as the political system becomes calcified into nothing more than an ongoing series of football matches played by the same two teams for eternity.\nThe political class really has the public right where they want them - fighting amongst themselves instead of channelling that energy into demanding and rewarding better governance.", ">\n\nSpoiler… they don’t value conservatism. \nNo conservatives are fucking conservative. \nThey are dumb as fuck. The people leading their party don’t practice religion like they pretend they do, they all have abortions etc. They just get people all excited about this shit even though it doesn’t actually mean shit to them.", ">\n\nThat's missing the point really, and falling into the mode that better suits politicians than it does the citizenry. \nI wouldn't necessarily take what the Republican party does as what all conservatives really, 100% want. It's just the closest to it.\nGet a system that provides more options, ranging from centrist all the way through the MAGA nutjobs and then see who they vote for before making a judgement.\nIf the US is like every other country in the world (and I have seen no reason to think otherwise), there's probably a large central mass of voters who, while on different sides of the political spectrum, probably agree on more things than is evident.\nBut the current political system doesn't accurately portray that. And the media certainly didn't fucking help either.", ">\n\nNeither party will ever let that happen.", ">\n\nThis should be an indicator of how deep the problem goes - it shouldn't be up to the parties. They should be responding to the demands of the people.\nThe FPTP issue is compounded by the US not having mandatory voting. This means parties don't need to consider everyone - a winning strategy can simply be \"be as different to the other team as possible, and create wedge issues that we can throw to our supporters to make them mad enough to vote for us\". They don't have to cater to anyone other than their bases.\nPeople are hung up on the issues that political parties want them to be hung up on. Wedge issues are valid, but in the scheme of things aren't as important as making sure elections are reflective of the actual will of the people.", ">\n\nA perfect example of this is the republicans current fixation: trans issues. Only between 0.5%-1.5% of the US population identify as transgender and yet if you listened to Republicans, you would think this number is considerably higher.", ">\n\nI find it interesting how closely the trump White House was working hand-in-hand with its congressional saboteurs, the House Freedom Caucus, to stage a coup.\nMark Meadows is one the Freedom Caucus' co-founders, Scott Perry is its current Chairman.\nMick Mulvaney, who is yet another co-founder of the Freedom Caucus, and also trump's former Chief of Staff, once said, \"Trump wants to turn Washington upside down – that was his first message and his winning message. We want the exact same thing.\"\nWatch this caucus closely, they are an ongoing threat to democracy, even if trump never returns to the White House. Meanwhile, one of the caucus' other co-founders, Ron DeSantis, has a good chance of picking up where trump and his saboteurs left off.", ">\n\nThey're essentially also the Pro Putin Caucus if you consider how a majority of them have voted against Ukraine aid/other bills having to do with war - and the general parroting of Kremlin talking points.", ">\n\nYes, they are also the pro Putin caucus, or known by their other nick name, the Treason Caucus. Just recently, two members, Boebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky during his congressional address. Many other members did not even attend the speech.", ">\n\n\nBoebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky\n\nAnd Russian media noticed and praised them for it.", ">\n\nNoticed? It was probably their plan" ]

[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good.", ">\n\nRepublican leadership likes a guy like this. Meadows was demonstrating some real rat fuck behavior, and that goes along way with this current iteration of the GOP.", ">\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics? The last 6-7 years, the GOP has really leaned into the overt cruelty, corruption, lies, etc. and their voters fucking love it.\nNobody ever gets held accountable and as long as their voters like it, they’ll just get more and more bold. I don’t know how to even fight against this mentality.", ">\n\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics?\n\nYou get a voting system in place that allows people to express their displeasure without having to completely sacrifice their other principles.\nA conservative is still going to vote Republican, not because they think burning documents is best practise, but because they value conservatism. There are no other avenues for them to vote for conservative values in a first-past-the-post system.\nFirst-past-the-post doesn't give a shit about your political opinion, beyond \"these 2 choices\". The People cannot exercise their duty when it's the same two unpunished parties over and over.\nInstead, it will turn the people against each other as the political system becomes calcified into nothing more than an ongoing series of football matches played by the same two teams for eternity.\nThe political class really has the public right where they want them - fighting amongst themselves instead of channelling that energy into demanding and rewarding better governance.", ">\n\nSpoiler… they don’t value conservatism. \nNo conservatives are fucking conservative. \nThey are dumb as fuck. The people leading their party don’t practice religion like they pretend they do, they all have abortions etc. They just get people all excited about this shit even though it doesn’t actually mean shit to them.", ">\n\nThat's missing the point really, and falling into the mode that better suits politicians than it does the citizenry. \nI wouldn't necessarily take what the Republican party does as what all conservatives really, 100% want. It's just the closest to it.\nGet a system that provides more options, ranging from centrist all the way through the MAGA nutjobs and then see who they vote for before making a judgement.\nIf the US is like every other country in the world (and I have seen no reason to think otherwise), there's probably a large central mass of voters who, while on different sides of the political spectrum, probably agree on more things than is evident.\nBut the current political system doesn't accurately portray that. And the media certainly didn't fucking help either.", ">\n\nNeither party will ever let that happen.", ">\n\nThis should be an indicator of how deep the problem goes - it shouldn't be up to the parties. They should be responding to the demands of the people.\nThe FPTP issue is compounded by the US not having mandatory voting. This means parties don't need to consider everyone - a winning strategy can simply be \"be as different to the other team as possible, and create wedge issues that we can throw to our supporters to make them mad enough to vote for us\". They don't have to cater to anyone other than their bases.\nPeople are hung up on the issues that political parties want them to be hung up on. Wedge issues are valid, but in the scheme of things aren't as important as making sure elections are reflective of the actual will of the people.", ">\n\nA perfect example of this is the republicans current fixation: trans issues. Only between 0.5%-1.5% of the US population identify as transgender and yet if you listened to Republicans, you would think this number is considerably higher.", ">\n\nI find it interesting how closely the trump White House was working hand-in-hand with its congressional saboteurs, the House Freedom Caucus, to stage a coup.\nMark Meadows is one the Freedom Caucus' co-founders, Scott Perry is its current Chairman.\nMick Mulvaney, who is yet another co-founder of the Freedom Caucus, and also trump's former Chief of Staff, once said, \"Trump wants to turn Washington upside down – that was his first message and his winning message. We want the exact same thing.\"\nWatch this caucus closely, they are an ongoing threat to democracy, even if trump never returns to the White House. Meanwhile, one of the caucus' other co-founders, Ron DeSantis, has a good chance of picking up where trump and his saboteurs left off.", ">\n\nThey're essentially also the Pro Putin Caucus if you consider how a majority of them have voted against Ukraine aid/other bills having to do with war - and the general parroting of Kremlin talking points.", ">\n\nYes, they are also the pro Putin caucus, or known by their other nick name, the Treason Caucus. Just recently, two members, Boebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky during his congressional address. Many other members did not even attend the speech.", ">\n\n\nBoebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky\n\nAnd Russian media noticed and praised them for it.", ">\n\nNoticed? It was probably their plan", ">\n\nApparently it was over a dozen times the witness saw him burning documents." ]

[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good.", ">\n\nRepublican leadership likes a guy like this. Meadows was demonstrating some real rat fuck behavior, and that goes along way with this current iteration of the GOP.", ">\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics? The last 6-7 years, the GOP has really leaned into the overt cruelty, corruption, lies, etc. and their voters fucking love it.\nNobody ever gets held accountable and as long as their voters like it, they’ll just get more and more bold. I don’t know how to even fight against this mentality.", ">\n\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics?\n\nYou get a voting system in place that allows people to express their displeasure without having to completely sacrifice their other principles.\nA conservative is still going to vote Republican, not because they think burning documents is best practise, but because they value conservatism. There are no other avenues for them to vote for conservative values in a first-past-the-post system.\nFirst-past-the-post doesn't give a shit about your political opinion, beyond \"these 2 choices\". The People cannot exercise their duty when it's the same two unpunished parties over and over.\nInstead, it will turn the people against each other as the political system becomes calcified into nothing more than an ongoing series of football matches played by the same two teams for eternity.\nThe political class really has the public right where they want them - fighting amongst themselves instead of channelling that energy into demanding and rewarding better governance.", ">\n\nSpoiler… they don’t value conservatism. \nNo conservatives are fucking conservative. \nThey are dumb as fuck. The people leading their party don’t practice religion like they pretend they do, they all have abortions etc. They just get people all excited about this shit even though it doesn’t actually mean shit to them.", ">\n\nThat's missing the point really, and falling into the mode that better suits politicians than it does the citizenry. \nI wouldn't necessarily take what the Republican party does as what all conservatives really, 100% want. It's just the closest to it.\nGet a system that provides more options, ranging from centrist all the way through the MAGA nutjobs and then see who they vote for before making a judgement.\nIf the US is like every other country in the world (and I have seen no reason to think otherwise), there's probably a large central mass of voters who, while on different sides of the political spectrum, probably agree on more things than is evident.\nBut the current political system doesn't accurately portray that. And the media certainly didn't fucking help either.", ">\n\nNeither party will ever let that happen.", ">\n\nThis should be an indicator of how deep the problem goes - it shouldn't be up to the parties. They should be responding to the demands of the people.\nThe FPTP issue is compounded by the US not having mandatory voting. This means parties don't need to consider everyone - a winning strategy can simply be \"be as different to the other team as possible, and create wedge issues that we can throw to our supporters to make them mad enough to vote for us\". They don't have to cater to anyone other than their bases.\nPeople are hung up on the issues that political parties want them to be hung up on. Wedge issues are valid, but in the scheme of things aren't as important as making sure elections are reflective of the actual will of the people.", ">\n\nA perfect example of this is the republicans current fixation: trans issues. Only between 0.5%-1.5% of the US population identify as transgender and yet if you listened to Republicans, you would think this number is considerably higher.", ">\n\nI find it interesting how closely the trump White House was working hand-in-hand with its congressional saboteurs, the House Freedom Caucus, to stage a coup.\nMark Meadows is one the Freedom Caucus' co-founders, Scott Perry is its current Chairman.\nMick Mulvaney, who is yet another co-founder of the Freedom Caucus, and also trump's former Chief of Staff, once said, \"Trump wants to turn Washington upside down – that was his first message and his winning message. We want the exact same thing.\"\nWatch this caucus closely, they are an ongoing threat to democracy, even if trump never returns to the White House. Meanwhile, one of the caucus' other co-founders, Ron DeSantis, has a good chance of picking up where trump and his saboteurs left off.", ">\n\nThey're essentially also the Pro Putin Caucus if you consider how a majority of them have voted against Ukraine aid/other bills having to do with war - and the general parroting of Kremlin talking points.", ">\n\nYes, they are also the pro Putin caucus, or known by their other nick name, the Treason Caucus. Just recently, two members, Boebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky during his congressional address. Many other members did not even attend the speech.", ">\n\n\nBoebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky\n\nAnd Russian media noticed and praised them for it.", ">\n\nNoticed? It was probably their plan", ">\n\nApparently it was over a dozen times the witness saw him burning documents.", ">\n\nI believe she said that he made copies though too." ]

[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good.", ">\n\nRepublican leadership likes a guy like this. Meadows was demonstrating some real rat fuck behavior, and that goes along way with this current iteration of the GOP.", ">\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics? The last 6-7 years, the GOP has really leaned into the overt cruelty, corruption, lies, etc. and their voters fucking love it.\nNobody ever gets held accountable and as long as their voters like it, they’ll just get more and more bold. I don’t know how to even fight against this mentality.", ">\n\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics?\n\nYou get a voting system in place that allows people to express their displeasure without having to completely sacrifice their other principles.\nA conservative is still going to vote Republican, not because they think burning documents is best practise, but because they value conservatism. There are no other avenues for them to vote for conservative values in a first-past-the-post system.\nFirst-past-the-post doesn't give a shit about your political opinion, beyond \"these 2 choices\". The People cannot exercise their duty when it's the same two unpunished parties over and over.\nInstead, it will turn the people against each other as the political system becomes calcified into nothing more than an ongoing series of football matches played by the same two teams for eternity.\nThe political class really has the public right where they want them - fighting amongst themselves instead of channelling that energy into demanding and rewarding better governance.", ">\n\nSpoiler… they don’t value conservatism. \nNo conservatives are fucking conservative. \nThey are dumb as fuck. The people leading their party don’t practice religion like they pretend they do, they all have abortions etc. They just get people all excited about this shit even though it doesn’t actually mean shit to them.", ">\n\nThat's missing the point really, and falling into the mode that better suits politicians than it does the citizenry. \nI wouldn't necessarily take what the Republican party does as what all conservatives really, 100% want. It's just the closest to it.\nGet a system that provides more options, ranging from centrist all the way through the MAGA nutjobs and then see who they vote for before making a judgement.\nIf the US is like every other country in the world (and I have seen no reason to think otherwise), there's probably a large central mass of voters who, while on different sides of the political spectrum, probably agree on more things than is evident.\nBut the current political system doesn't accurately portray that. And the media certainly didn't fucking help either.", ">\n\nNeither party will ever let that happen.", ">\n\nThis should be an indicator of how deep the problem goes - it shouldn't be up to the parties. They should be responding to the demands of the people.\nThe FPTP issue is compounded by the US not having mandatory voting. This means parties don't need to consider everyone - a winning strategy can simply be \"be as different to the other team as possible, and create wedge issues that we can throw to our supporters to make them mad enough to vote for us\". They don't have to cater to anyone other than their bases.\nPeople are hung up on the issues that political parties want them to be hung up on. Wedge issues are valid, but in the scheme of things aren't as important as making sure elections are reflective of the actual will of the people.", ">\n\nA perfect example of this is the republicans current fixation: trans issues. Only between 0.5%-1.5% of the US population identify as transgender and yet if you listened to Republicans, you would think this number is considerably higher.", ">\n\nI find it interesting how closely the trump White House was working hand-in-hand with its congressional saboteurs, the House Freedom Caucus, to stage a coup.\nMark Meadows is one the Freedom Caucus' co-founders, Scott Perry is its current Chairman.\nMick Mulvaney, who is yet another co-founder of the Freedom Caucus, and also trump's former Chief of Staff, once said, \"Trump wants to turn Washington upside down – that was his first message and his winning message. We want the exact same thing.\"\nWatch this caucus closely, they are an ongoing threat to democracy, even if trump never returns to the White House. Meanwhile, one of the caucus' other co-founders, Ron DeSantis, has a good chance of picking up where trump and his saboteurs left off.", ">\n\nThey're essentially also the Pro Putin Caucus if you consider how a majority of them have voted against Ukraine aid/other bills having to do with war - and the general parroting of Kremlin talking points.", ">\n\nYes, they are also the pro Putin caucus, or known by their other nick name, the Treason Caucus. Just recently, two members, Boebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky during his congressional address. Many other members did not even attend the speech.", ">\n\n\nBoebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky\n\nAnd Russian media noticed and praised them for it.", ">\n\nNoticed? It was probably their plan", ">\n\nApparently it was over a dozen times the witness saw him burning documents.", ">\n\nI believe she said that he made copies though too.", ">\n\nDo you have a source for that?" ]

[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good.", ">\n\nRepublican leadership likes a guy like this. Meadows was demonstrating some real rat fuck behavior, and that goes along way with this current iteration of the GOP.", ">\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics? The last 6-7 years, the GOP has really leaned into the overt cruelty, corruption, lies, etc. and their voters fucking love it.\nNobody ever gets held accountable and as long as their voters like it, they’ll just get more and more bold. I don’t know how to even fight against this mentality.", ">\n\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics?\n\nYou get a voting system in place that allows people to express their displeasure without having to completely sacrifice their other principles.\nA conservative is still going to vote Republican, not because they think burning documents is best practise, but because they value conservatism. There are no other avenues for them to vote for conservative values in a first-past-the-post system.\nFirst-past-the-post doesn't give a shit about your political opinion, beyond \"these 2 choices\". The People cannot exercise their duty when it's the same two unpunished parties over and over.\nInstead, it will turn the people against each other as the political system becomes calcified into nothing more than an ongoing series of football matches played by the same two teams for eternity.\nThe political class really has the public right where they want them - fighting amongst themselves instead of channelling that energy into demanding and rewarding better governance.", ">\n\nSpoiler… they don’t value conservatism. \nNo conservatives are fucking conservative. \nThey are dumb as fuck. The people leading their party don’t practice religion like they pretend they do, they all have abortions etc. They just get people all excited about this shit even though it doesn’t actually mean shit to them.", ">\n\nThat's missing the point really, and falling into the mode that better suits politicians than it does the citizenry. \nI wouldn't necessarily take what the Republican party does as what all conservatives really, 100% want. It's just the closest to it.\nGet a system that provides more options, ranging from centrist all the way through the MAGA nutjobs and then see who they vote for before making a judgement.\nIf the US is like every other country in the world (and I have seen no reason to think otherwise), there's probably a large central mass of voters who, while on different sides of the political spectrum, probably agree on more things than is evident.\nBut the current political system doesn't accurately portray that. And the media certainly didn't fucking help either.", ">\n\nNeither party will ever let that happen.", ">\n\nThis should be an indicator of how deep the problem goes - it shouldn't be up to the parties. They should be responding to the demands of the people.\nThe FPTP issue is compounded by the US not having mandatory voting. This means parties don't need to consider everyone - a winning strategy can simply be \"be as different to the other team as possible, and create wedge issues that we can throw to our supporters to make them mad enough to vote for us\". They don't have to cater to anyone other than their bases.\nPeople are hung up on the issues that political parties want them to be hung up on. Wedge issues are valid, but in the scheme of things aren't as important as making sure elections are reflective of the actual will of the people.", ">\n\nA perfect example of this is the republicans current fixation: trans issues. Only between 0.5%-1.5% of the US population identify as transgender and yet if you listened to Republicans, you would think this number is considerably higher.", ">\n\nI find it interesting how closely the trump White House was working hand-in-hand with its congressional saboteurs, the House Freedom Caucus, to stage a coup.\nMark Meadows is one the Freedom Caucus' co-founders, Scott Perry is its current Chairman.\nMick Mulvaney, who is yet another co-founder of the Freedom Caucus, and also trump's former Chief of Staff, once said, \"Trump wants to turn Washington upside down – that was his first message and his winning message. We want the exact same thing.\"\nWatch this caucus closely, they are an ongoing threat to democracy, even if trump never returns to the White House. Meanwhile, one of the caucus' other co-founders, Ron DeSantis, has a good chance of picking up where trump and his saboteurs left off.", ">\n\nThey're essentially also the Pro Putin Caucus if you consider how a majority of them have voted against Ukraine aid/other bills having to do with war - and the general parroting of Kremlin talking points.", ">\n\nYes, they are also the pro Putin caucus, or known by their other nick name, the Treason Caucus. Just recently, two members, Boebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky during his congressional address. Many other members did not even attend the speech.", ">\n\n\nBoebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky\n\nAnd Russian media noticed and praised them for it.", ">\n\nNoticed? It was probably their plan", ">\n\nApparently it was over a dozen times the witness saw him burning documents.", ">\n\nI believe she said that he made copies though too.", ">\n\nDo you have a source for that?", ">\n\nI thought I had read a quote in another thread but I think this must be what I saw (Cassidy Hutchinson speaking): “However, I don’t know if they were the first or original copies of anything,” she continued. “It’s entirely possible that he had put things in his fireplace that he also would have put into a burn bag that there were duplicates of or that there was an electronic copy of.”\nSo no, not definitive that he had other copies, but it's possible.\nsource" ]

[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good.", ">\n\nRepublican leadership likes a guy like this. Meadows was demonstrating some real rat fuck behavior, and that goes along way with this current iteration of the GOP.", ">\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics? The last 6-7 years, the GOP has really leaned into the overt cruelty, corruption, lies, etc. and their voters fucking love it.\nNobody ever gets held accountable and as long as their voters like it, they’ll just get more and more bold. I don’t know how to even fight against this mentality.", ">\n\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics?\n\nYou get a voting system in place that allows people to express their displeasure without having to completely sacrifice their other principles.\nA conservative is still going to vote Republican, not because they think burning documents is best practise, but because they value conservatism. There are no other avenues for them to vote for conservative values in a first-past-the-post system.\nFirst-past-the-post doesn't give a shit about your political opinion, beyond \"these 2 choices\". The People cannot exercise their duty when it's the same two unpunished parties over and over.\nInstead, it will turn the people against each other as the political system becomes calcified into nothing more than an ongoing series of football matches played by the same two teams for eternity.\nThe political class really has the public right where they want them - fighting amongst themselves instead of channelling that energy into demanding and rewarding better governance.", ">\n\nSpoiler… they don’t value conservatism. \nNo conservatives are fucking conservative. \nThey are dumb as fuck. The people leading their party don’t practice religion like they pretend they do, they all have abortions etc. They just get people all excited about this shit even though it doesn’t actually mean shit to them.", ">\n\nThat's missing the point really, and falling into the mode that better suits politicians than it does the citizenry. \nI wouldn't necessarily take what the Republican party does as what all conservatives really, 100% want. It's just the closest to it.\nGet a system that provides more options, ranging from centrist all the way through the MAGA nutjobs and then see who they vote for before making a judgement.\nIf the US is like every other country in the world (and I have seen no reason to think otherwise), there's probably a large central mass of voters who, while on different sides of the political spectrum, probably agree on more things than is evident.\nBut the current political system doesn't accurately portray that. And the media certainly didn't fucking help either.", ">\n\nNeither party will ever let that happen.", ">\n\nThis should be an indicator of how deep the problem goes - it shouldn't be up to the parties. They should be responding to the demands of the people.\nThe FPTP issue is compounded by the US not having mandatory voting. This means parties don't need to consider everyone - a winning strategy can simply be \"be as different to the other team as possible, and create wedge issues that we can throw to our supporters to make them mad enough to vote for us\". They don't have to cater to anyone other than their bases.\nPeople are hung up on the issues that political parties want them to be hung up on. Wedge issues are valid, but in the scheme of things aren't as important as making sure elections are reflective of the actual will of the people.", ">\n\nA perfect example of this is the republicans current fixation: trans issues. Only between 0.5%-1.5% of the US population identify as transgender and yet if you listened to Republicans, you would think this number is considerably higher.", ">\n\nI find it interesting how closely the trump White House was working hand-in-hand with its congressional saboteurs, the House Freedom Caucus, to stage a coup.\nMark Meadows is one the Freedom Caucus' co-founders, Scott Perry is its current Chairman.\nMick Mulvaney, who is yet another co-founder of the Freedom Caucus, and also trump's former Chief of Staff, once said, \"Trump wants to turn Washington upside down – that was his first message and his winning message. We want the exact same thing.\"\nWatch this caucus closely, they are an ongoing threat to democracy, even if trump never returns to the White House. Meanwhile, one of the caucus' other co-founders, Ron DeSantis, has a good chance of picking up where trump and his saboteurs left off.", ">\n\nThey're essentially also the Pro Putin Caucus if you consider how a majority of them have voted against Ukraine aid/other bills having to do with war - and the general parroting of Kremlin talking points.", ">\n\nYes, they are also the pro Putin caucus, or known by their other nick name, the Treason Caucus. Just recently, two members, Boebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky during his congressional address. Many other members did not even attend the speech.", ">\n\n\nBoebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky\n\nAnd Russian media noticed and praised them for it.", ">\n\nNoticed? It was probably their plan", ">\n\nApparently it was over a dozen times the witness saw him burning documents.", ">\n\nI believe she said that he made copies though too.", ">\n\nDo you have a source for that?", ">\n\nI thought I had read a quote in another thread but I think this must be what I saw (Cassidy Hutchinson speaking): “However, I don’t know if they were the first or original copies of anything,” she continued. “It’s entirely possible that he had put things in his fireplace that he also would have put into a burn bag that there were duplicates of or that there was an electronic copy of.”\nSo no, not definitive that he had other copies, but it's possible.\nsource", ">\n\nIt does seem possible that there were copies. Thanks!" ]

[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good.", ">\n\nRepublican leadership likes a guy like this. Meadows was demonstrating some real rat fuck behavior, and that goes along way with this current iteration of the GOP.", ">\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics? The last 6-7 years, the GOP has really leaned into the overt cruelty, corruption, lies, etc. and their voters fucking love it.\nNobody ever gets held accountable and as long as their voters like it, they’ll just get more and more bold. I don’t know how to even fight against this mentality.", ">\n\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics?\n\nYou get a voting system in place that allows people to express their displeasure without having to completely sacrifice their other principles.\nA conservative is still going to vote Republican, not because they think burning documents is best practise, but because they value conservatism. There are no other avenues for them to vote for conservative values in a first-past-the-post system.\nFirst-past-the-post doesn't give a shit about your political opinion, beyond \"these 2 choices\". The People cannot exercise their duty when it's the same two unpunished parties over and over.\nInstead, it will turn the people against each other as the political system becomes calcified into nothing more than an ongoing series of football matches played by the same two teams for eternity.\nThe political class really has the public right where they want them - fighting amongst themselves instead of channelling that energy into demanding and rewarding better governance.", ">\n\nSpoiler… they don’t value conservatism. \nNo conservatives are fucking conservative. \nThey are dumb as fuck. The people leading their party don’t practice religion like they pretend they do, they all have abortions etc. They just get people all excited about this shit even though it doesn’t actually mean shit to them.", ">\n\nThat's missing the point really, and falling into the mode that better suits politicians than it does the citizenry. \nI wouldn't necessarily take what the Republican party does as what all conservatives really, 100% want. It's just the closest to it.\nGet a system that provides more options, ranging from centrist all the way through the MAGA nutjobs and then see who they vote for before making a judgement.\nIf the US is like every other country in the world (and I have seen no reason to think otherwise), there's probably a large central mass of voters who, while on different sides of the political spectrum, probably agree on more things than is evident.\nBut the current political system doesn't accurately portray that. And the media certainly didn't fucking help either.", ">\n\nNeither party will ever let that happen.", ">\n\nThis should be an indicator of how deep the problem goes - it shouldn't be up to the parties. They should be responding to the demands of the people.\nThe FPTP issue is compounded by the US not having mandatory voting. This means parties don't need to consider everyone - a winning strategy can simply be \"be as different to the other team as possible, and create wedge issues that we can throw to our supporters to make them mad enough to vote for us\". They don't have to cater to anyone other than their bases.\nPeople are hung up on the issues that political parties want them to be hung up on. Wedge issues are valid, but in the scheme of things aren't as important as making sure elections are reflective of the actual will of the people.", ">\n\nA perfect example of this is the republicans current fixation: trans issues. Only between 0.5%-1.5% of the US population identify as transgender and yet if you listened to Republicans, you would think this number is considerably higher.", ">\n\nI find it interesting how closely the trump White House was working hand-in-hand with its congressional saboteurs, the House Freedom Caucus, to stage a coup.\nMark Meadows is one the Freedom Caucus' co-founders, Scott Perry is its current Chairman.\nMick Mulvaney, who is yet another co-founder of the Freedom Caucus, and also trump's former Chief of Staff, once said, \"Trump wants to turn Washington upside down – that was his first message and his winning message. We want the exact same thing.\"\nWatch this caucus closely, they are an ongoing threat to democracy, even if trump never returns to the White House. Meanwhile, one of the caucus' other co-founders, Ron DeSantis, has a good chance of picking up where trump and his saboteurs left off.", ">\n\nThey're essentially also the Pro Putin Caucus if you consider how a majority of them have voted against Ukraine aid/other bills having to do with war - and the general parroting of Kremlin talking points.", ">\n\nYes, they are also the pro Putin caucus, or known by their other nick name, the Treason Caucus. Just recently, two members, Boebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky during his congressional address. Many other members did not even attend the speech.", ">\n\n\nBoebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky\n\nAnd Russian media noticed and praised them for it.", ">\n\nNoticed? It was probably their plan", ">\n\nApparently it was over a dozen times the witness saw him burning documents.", ">\n\nI believe she said that he made copies though too.", ">\n\nDo you have a source for that?", ">\n\nI thought I had read a quote in another thread but I think this must be what I saw (Cassidy Hutchinson speaking): “However, I don’t know if they were the first or original copies of anything,” she continued. “It’s entirely possible that he had put things in his fireplace that he also would have put into a burn bag that there were duplicates of or that there was an electronic copy of.”\nSo no, not definitive that he had other copies, but it's possible.\nsource", ">\n\nIt does seem possible that there were copies. Thanks!", ">\n\nI mean if someone typed up something in the 1950s and you burned it, that's it, gone forever. But I find it hard to believe these people were typing out all their secret shit on analog typewriters, they were printing out emails and electronic reports and PDFs. Surely there's got to be copies somewhere." ]

[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good.", ">\n\nRepublican leadership likes a guy like this. Meadows was demonstrating some real rat fuck behavior, and that goes along way with this current iteration of the GOP.", ">\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics? The last 6-7 years, the GOP has really leaned into the overt cruelty, corruption, lies, etc. and their voters fucking love it.\nNobody ever gets held accountable and as long as their voters like it, they’ll just get more and more bold. I don’t know how to even fight against this mentality.", ">\n\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics?\n\nYou get a voting system in place that allows people to express their displeasure without having to completely sacrifice their other principles.\nA conservative is still going to vote Republican, not because they think burning documents is best practise, but because they value conservatism. There are no other avenues for them to vote for conservative values in a first-past-the-post system.\nFirst-past-the-post doesn't give a shit about your political opinion, beyond \"these 2 choices\". The People cannot exercise their duty when it's the same two unpunished parties over and over.\nInstead, it will turn the people against each other as the political system becomes calcified into nothing more than an ongoing series of football matches played by the same two teams for eternity.\nThe political class really has the public right where they want them - fighting amongst themselves instead of channelling that energy into demanding and rewarding better governance.", ">\n\nSpoiler… they don’t value conservatism. \nNo conservatives are fucking conservative. \nThey are dumb as fuck. The people leading their party don’t practice religion like they pretend they do, they all have abortions etc. They just get people all excited about this shit even though it doesn’t actually mean shit to them.", ">\n\nThat's missing the point really, and falling into the mode that better suits politicians than it does the citizenry. \nI wouldn't necessarily take what the Republican party does as what all conservatives really, 100% want. It's just the closest to it.\nGet a system that provides more options, ranging from centrist all the way through the MAGA nutjobs and then see who they vote for before making a judgement.\nIf the US is like every other country in the world (and I have seen no reason to think otherwise), there's probably a large central mass of voters who, while on different sides of the political spectrum, probably agree on more things than is evident.\nBut the current political system doesn't accurately portray that. And the media certainly didn't fucking help either.", ">\n\nNeither party will ever let that happen.", ">\n\nThis should be an indicator of how deep the problem goes - it shouldn't be up to the parties. They should be responding to the demands of the people.\nThe FPTP issue is compounded by the US not having mandatory voting. This means parties don't need to consider everyone - a winning strategy can simply be \"be as different to the other team as possible, and create wedge issues that we can throw to our supporters to make them mad enough to vote for us\". They don't have to cater to anyone other than their bases.\nPeople are hung up on the issues that political parties want them to be hung up on. Wedge issues are valid, but in the scheme of things aren't as important as making sure elections are reflective of the actual will of the people.", ">\n\nA perfect example of this is the republicans current fixation: trans issues. Only between 0.5%-1.5% of the US population identify as transgender and yet if you listened to Republicans, you would think this number is considerably higher.", ">\n\nI find it interesting how closely the trump White House was working hand-in-hand with its congressional saboteurs, the House Freedom Caucus, to stage a coup.\nMark Meadows is one the Freedom Caucus' co-founders, Scott Perry is its current Chairman.\nMick Mulvaney, who is yet another co-founder of the Freedom Caucus, and also trump's former Chief of Staff, once said, \"Trump wants to turn Washington upside down – that was his first message and his winning message. We want the exact same thing.\"\nWatch this caucus closely, they are an ongoing threat to democracy, even if trump never returns to the White House. Meanwhile, one of the caucus' other co-founders, Ron DeSantis, has a good chance of picking up where trump and his saboteurs left off.", ">\n\nThey're essentially also the Pro Putin Caucus if you consider how a majority of them have voted against Ukraine aid/other bills having to do with war - and the general parroting of Kremlin talking points.", ">\n\nYes, they are also the pro Putin caucus, or known by their other nick name, the Treason Caucus. Just recently, two members, Boebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky during his congressional address. Many other members did not even attend the speech.", ">\n\n\nBoebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky\n\nAnd Russian media noticed and praised them for it.", ">\n\nNoticed? It was probably their plan", ">\n\nApparently it was over a dozen times the witness saw him burning documents.", ">\n\nI believe she said that he made copies though too.", ">\n\nDo you have a source for that?", ">\n\nI thought I had read a quote in another thread but I think this must be what I saw (Cassidy Hutchinson speaking): “However, I don’t know if they were the first or original copies of anything,” she continued. “It’s entirely possible that he had put things in his fireplace that he also would have put into a burn bag that there were duplicates of or that there was an electronic copy of.”\nSo no, not definitive that he had other copies, but it's possible.\nsource", ">\n\nIt does seem possible that there were copies. Thanks!", ">\n\nI mean if someone typed up something in the 1950s and you burned it, that's it, gone forever. But I find it hard to believe these people were typing out all their secret shit on analog typewriters, they were printing out emails and electronic reports and PDFs. Surely there's got to be copies somewhere.", ">\n\nThey do illegal things because they know they won't be held accountable." ]

[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good.", ">\n\nRepublican leadership likes a guy like this. Meadows was demonstrating some real rat fuck behavior, and that goes along way with this current iteration of the GOP.", ">\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics? The last 6-7 years, the GOP has really leaned into the overt cruelty, corruption, lies, etc. and their voters fucking love it.\nNobody ever gets held accountable and as long as their voters like it, they’ll just get more and more bold. I don’t know how to even fight against this mentality.", ">\n\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics?\n\nYou get a voting system in place that allows people to express their displeasure without having to completely sacrifice their other principles.\nA conservative is still going to vote Republican, not because they think burning documents is best practise, but because they value conservatism. There are no other avenues for them to vote for conservative values in a first-past-the-post system.\nFirst-past-the-post doesn't give a shit about your political opinion, beyond \"these 2 choices\". The People cannot exercise their duty when it's the same two unpunished parties over and over.\nInstead, it will turn the people against each other as the political system becomes calcified into nothing more than an ongoing series of football matches played by the same two teams for eternity.\nThe political class really has the public right where they want them - fighting amongst themselves instead of channelling that energy into demanding and rewarding better governance.", ">\n\nSpoiler… they don’t value conservatism. \nNo conservatives are fucking conservative. \nThey are dumb as fuck. The people leading their party don’t practice religion like they pretend they do, they all have abortions etc. They just get people all excited about this shit even though it doesn’t actually mean shit to them.", ">\n\nThat's missing the point really, and falling into the mode that better suits politicians than it does the citizenry. \nI wouldn't necessarily take what the Republican party does as what all conservatives really, 100% want. It's just the closest to it.\nGet a system that provides more options, ranging from centrist all the way through the MAGA nutjobs and then see who they vote for before making a judgement.\nIf the US is like every other country in the world (and I have seen no reason to think otherwise), there's probably a large central mass of voters who, while on different sides of the political spectrum, probably agree on more things than is evident.\nBut the current political system doesn't accurately portray that. And the media certainly didn't fucking help either.", ">\n\nNeither party will ever let that happen.", ">\n\nThis should be an indicator of how deep the problem goes - it shouldn't be up to the parties. They should be responding to the demands of the people.\nThe FPTP issue is compounded by the US not having mandatory voting. This means parties don't need to consider everyone - a winning strategy can simply be \"be as different to the other team as possible, and create wedge issues that we can throw to our supporters to make them mad enough to vote for us\". They don't have to cater to anyone other than their bases.\nPeople are hung up on the issues that political parties want them to be hung up on. Wedge issues are valid, but in the scheme of things aren't as important as making sure elections are reflective of the actual will of the people.", ">\n\nA perfect example of this is the republicans current fixation: trans issues. Only between 0.5%-1.5% of the US population identify as transgender and yet if you listened to Republicans, you would think this number is considerably higher.", ">\n\nI find it interesting how closely the trump White House was working hand-in-hand with its congressional saboteurs, the House Freedom Caucus, to stage a coup.\nMark Meadows is one the Freedom Caucus' co-founders, Scott Perry is its current Chairman.\nMick Mulvaney, who is yet another co-founder of the Freedom Caucus, and also trump's former Chief of Staff, once said, \"Trump wants to turn Washington upside down – that was his first message and his winning message. We want the exact same thing.\"\nWatch this caucus closely, they are an ongoing threat to democracy, even if trump never returns to the White House. Meanwhile, one of the caucus' other co-founders, Ron DeSantis, has a good chance of picking up where trump and his saboteurs left off.", ">\n\nThey're essentially also the Pro Putin Caucus if you consider how a majority of them have voted against Ukraine aid/other bills having to do with war - and the general parroting of Kremlin talking points.", ">\n\nYes, they are also the pro Putin caucus, or known by their other nick name, the Treason Caucus. Just recently, two members, Boebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky during his congressional address. Many other members did not even attend the speech.", ">\n\n\nBoebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky\n\nAnd Russian media noticed and praised them for it.", ">\n\nNoticed? It was probably their plan", ">\n\nApparently it was over a dozen times the witness saw him burning documents.", ">\n\nI believe she said that he made copies though too.", ">\n\nDo you have a source for that?", ">\n\nI thought I had read a quote in another thread but I think this must be what I saw (Cassidy Hutchinson speaking): “However, I don’t know if they were the first or original copies of anything,” she continued. “It’s entirely possible that he had put things in his fireplace that he also would have put into a burn bag that there were duplicates of or that there was an electronic copy of.”\nSo no, not definitive that he had other copies, but it's possible.\nsource", ">\n\nIt does seem possible that there were copies. Thanks!", ">\n\nI mean if someone typed up something in the 1950s and you burned it, that's it, gone forever. But I find it hard to believe these people were typing out all their secret shit on analog typewriters, they were printing out emails and electronic reports and PDFs. Surely there's got to be copies somewhere.", ">\n\nThey do illegal things because they know they won't be held accountable.", ">\n\nAnd even if we suddenly hold them accountable, we've shown how slow we are to act. If someone wants to really make a run for the coup they will a good idea what their window is... and it's super wide." ]

[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good.", ">\n\nRepublican leadership likes a guy like this. Meadows was demonstrating some real rat fuck behavior, and that goes along way with this current iteration of the GOP.", ">\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics? The last 6-7 years, the GOP has really leaned into the overt cruelty, corruption, lies, etc. and their voters fucking love it.\nNobody ever gets held accountable and as long as their voters like it, they’ll just get more and more bold. I don’t know how to even fight against this mentality.", ">\n\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics?\n\nYou get a voting system in place that allows people to express their displeasure without having to completely sacrifice their other principles.\nA conservative is still going to vote Republican, not because they think burning documents is best practise, but because they value conservatism. There are no other avenues for them to vote for conservative values in a first-past-the-post system.\nFirst-past-the-post doesn't give a shit about your political opinion, beyond \"these 2 choices\". The People cannot exercise their duty when it's the same two unpunished parties over and over.\nInstead, it will turn the people against each other as the political system becomes calcified into nothing more than an ongoing series of football matches played by the same two teams for eternity.\nThe political class really has the public right where they want them - fighting amongst themselves instead of channelling that energy into demanding and rewarding better governance.", ">\n\nSpoiler… they don’t value conservatism. \nNo conservatives are fucking conservative. \nThey are dumb as fuck. The people leading their party don’t practice religion like they pretend they do, they all have abortions etc. They just get people all excited about this shit even though it doesn’t actually mean shit to them.", ">\n\nThat's missing the point really, and falling into the mode that better suits politicians than it does the citizenry. \nI wouldn't necessarily take what the Republican party does as what all conservatives really, 100% want. It's just the closest to it.\nGet a system that provides more options, ranging from centrist all the way through the MAGA nutjobs and then see who they vote for before making a judgement.\nIf the US is like every other country in the world (and I have seen no reason to think otherwise), there's probably a large central mass of voters who, while on different sides of the political spectrum, probably agree on more things than is evident.\nBut the current political system doesn't accurately portray that. And the media certainly didn't fucking help either.", ">\n\nNeither party will ever let that happen.", ">\n\nThis should be an indicator of how deep the problem goes - it shouldn't be up to the parties. They should be responding to the demands of the people.\nThe FPTP issue is compounded by the US not having mandatory voting. This means parties don't need to consider everyone - a winning strategy can simply be \"be as different to the other team as possible, and create wedge issues that we can throw to our supporters to make them mad enough to vote for us\". They don't have to cater to anyone other than their bases.\nPeople are hung up on the issues that political parties want them to be hung up on. Wedge issues are valid, but in the scheme of things aren't as important as making sure elections are reflective of the actual will of the people.", ">\n\nA perfect example of this is the republicans current fixation: trans issues. Only between 0.5%-1.5% of the US population identify as transgender and yet if you listened to Republicans, you would think this number is considerably higher.", ">\n\nI find it interesting how closely the trump White House was working hand-in-hand with its congressional saboteurs, the House Freedom Caucus, to stage a coup.\nMark Meadows is one the Freedom Caucus' co-founders, Scott Perry is its current Chairman.\nMick Mulvaney, who is yet another co-founder of the Freedom Caucus, and also trump's former Chief of Staff, once said, \"Trump wants to turn Washington upside down – that was his first message and his winning message. We want the exact same thing.\"\nWatch this caucus closely, they are an ongoing threat to democracy, even if trump never returns to the White House. Meanwhile, one of the caucus' other co-founders, Ron DeSantis, has a good chance of picking up where trump and his saboteurs left off.", ">\n\nThey're essentially also the Pro Putin Caucus if you consider how a majority of them have voted against Ukraine aid/other bills having to do with war - and the general parroting of Kremlin talking points.", ">\n\nYes, they are also the pro Putin caucus, or known by their other nick name, the Treason Caucus. Just recently, two members, Boebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky during his congressional address. Many other members did not even attend the speech.", ">\n\n\nBoebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky\n\nAnd Russian media noticed and praised them for it.", ">\n\nNoticed? It was probably their plan", ">\n\nApparently it was over a dozen times the witness saw him burning documents.", ">\n\nI believe she said that he made copies though too.", ">\n\nDo you have a source for that?", ">\n\nI thought I had read a quote in another thread but I think this must be what I saw (Cassidy Hutchinson speaking): “However, I don’t know if they were the first or original copies of anything,” she continued. “It’s entirely possible that he had put things in his fireplace that he also would have put into a burn bag that there were duplicates of or that there was an electronic copy of.”\nSo no, not definitive that he had other copies, but it's possible.\nsource", ">\n\nIt does seem possible that there were copies. Thanks!", ">\n\nI mean if someone typed up something in the 1950s and you burned it, that's it, gone forever. But I find it hard to believe these people were typing out all their secret shit on analog typewriters, they were printing out emails and electronic reports and PDFs. Surely there's got to be copies somewhere.", ">\n\nThey do illegal things because they know they won't be held accountable.", ">\n\nAnd even if we suddenly hold them accountable, we've shown how slow we are to act. If someone wants to really make a run for the coup they will a good idea what their window is... and it's super wide.", ">\n\nIm just so happy don't have to worry about these types of shenanigans from Joe biden" ]

[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good.", ">\n\nRepublican leadership likes a guy like this. Meadows was demonstrating some real rat fuck behavior, and that goes along way with this current iteration of the GOP.", ">\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics? The last 6-7 years, the GOP has really leaned into the overt cruelty, corruption, lies, etc. and their voters fucking love it.\nNobody ever gets held accountable and as long as their voters like it, they’ll just get more and more bold. I don’t know how to even fight against this mentality.", ">\n\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics?\n\nYou get a voting system in place that allows people to express their displeasure without having to completely sacrifice their other principles.\nA conservative is still going to vote Republican, not because they think burning documents is best practise, but because they value conservatism. There are no other avenues for them to vote for conservative values in a first-past-the-post system.\nFirst-past-the-post doesn't give a shit about your political opinion, beyond \"these 2 choices\". The People cannot exercise their duty when it's the same two unpunished parties over and over.\nInstead, it will turn the people against each other as the political system becomes calcified into nothing more than an ongoing series of football matches played by the same two teams for eternity.\nThe political class really has the public right where they want them - fighting amongst themselves instead of channelling that energy into demanding and rewarding better governance.", ">\n\nSpoiler… they don’t value conservatism. \nNo conservatives are fucking conservative. \nThey are dumb as fuck. The people leading their party don’t practice religion like they pretend they do, they all have abortions etc. They just get people all excited about this shit even though it doesn’t actually mean shit to them.", ">\n\nThat's missing the point really, and falling into the mode that better suits politicians than it does the citizenry. \nI wouldn't necessarily take what the Republican party does as what all conservatives really, 100% want. It's just the closest to it.\nGet a system that provides more options, ranging from centrist all the way through the MAGA nutjobs and then see who they vote for before making a judgement.\nIf the US is like every other country in the world (and I have seen no reason to think otherwise), there's probably a large central mass of voters who, while on different sides of the political spectrum, probably agree on more things than is evident.\nBut the current political system doesn't accurately portray that. And the media certainly didn't fucking help either.", ">\n\nNeither party will ever let that happen.", ">\n\nThis should be an indicator of how deep the problem goes - it shouldn't be up to the parties. They should be responding to the demands of the people.\nThe FPTP issue is compounded by the US not having mandatory voting. This means parties don't need to consider everyone - a winning strategy can simply be \"be as different to the other team as possible, and create wedge issues that we can throw to our supporters to make them mad enough to vote for us\". They don't have to cater to anyone other than their bases.\nPeople are hung up on the issues that political parties want them to be hung up on. Wedge issues are valid, but in the scheme of things aren't as important as making sure elections are reflective of the actual will of the people.", ">\n\nA perfect example of this is the republicans current fixation: trans issues. Only between 0.5%-1.5% of the US population identify as transgender and yet if you listened to Republicans, you would think this number is considerably higher.", ">\n\nI find it interesting how closely the trump White House was working hand-in-hand with its congressional saboteurs, the House Freedom Caucus, to stage a coup.\nMark Meadows is one the Freedom Caucus' co-founders, Scott Perry is its current Chairman.\nMick Mulvaney, who is yet another co-founder of the Freedom Caucus, and also trump's former Chief of Staff, once said, \"Trump wants to turn Washington upside down – that was his first message and his winning message. We want the exact same thing.\"\nWatch this caucus closely, they are an ongoing threat to democracy, even if trump never returns to the White House. Meanwhile, one of the caucus' other co-founders, Ron DeSantis, has a good chance of picking up where trump and his saboteurs left off.", ">\n\nThey're essentially also the Pro Putin Caucus if you consider how a majority of them have voted against Ukraine aid/other bills having to do with war - and the general parroting of Kremlin talking points.", ">\n\nYes, they are also the pro Putin caucus, or known by their other nick name, the Treason Caucus. Just recently, two members, Boebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky during his congressional address. Many other members did not even attend the speech.", ">\n\n\nBoebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky\n\nAnd Russian media noticed and praised them for it.", ">\n\nNoticed? It was probably their plan", ">\n\nApparently it was over a dozen times the witness saw him burning documents.", ">\n\nI believe she said that he made copies though too.", ">\n\nDo you have a source for that?", ">\n\nI thought I had read a quote in another thread but I think this must be what I saw (Cassidy Hutchinson speaking): “However, I don’t know if they were the first or original copies of anything,” she continued. “It’s entirely possible that he had put things in his fireplace that he also would have put into a burn bag that there were duplicates of or that there was an electronic copy of.”\nSo no, not definitive that he had other copies, but it's possible.\nsource", ">\n\nIt does seem possible that there were copies. Thanks!", ">\n\nI mean if someone typed up something in the 1950s and you burned it, that's it, gone forever. But I find it hard to believe these people were typing out all their secret shit on analog typewriters, they were printing out emails and electronic reports and PDFs. Surely there's got to be copies somewhere.", ">\n\nThey do illegal things because they know they won't be held accountable.", ">\n\nAnd even if we suddenly hold them accountable, we've shown how slow we are to act. If someone wants to really make a run for the coup they will a good idea what their window is... and it's super wide.", ">\n\nIm just so happy don't have to worry about these types of shenanigans from Joe biden", ">\n\nHaven’t you seen the impeach Biden flags? Whatever he did, I shudder to think about. If they won’t say what it is, it must be an unspeakable evil." ]

[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good.", ">\n\nRepublican leadership likes a guy like this. Meadows was demonstrating some real rat fuck behavior, and that goes along way with this current iteration of the GOP.", ">\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics? The last 6-7 years, the GOP has really leaned into the overt cruelty, corruption, lies, etc. and their voters fucking love it.\nNobody ever gets held accountable and as long as their voters like it, they’ll just get more and more bold. I don’t know how to even fight against this mentality.", ">\n\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics?\n\nYou get a voting system in place that allows people to express their displeasure without having to completely sacrifice their other principles.\nA conservative is still going to vote Republican, not because they think burning documents is best practise, but because they value conservatism. There are no other avenues for them to vote for conservative values in a first-past-the-post system.\nFirst-past-the-post doesn't give a shit about your political opinion, beyond \"these 2 choices\". The People cannot exercise their duty when it's the same two unpunished parties over and over.\nInstead, it will turn the people against each other as the political system becomes calcified into nothing more than an ongoing series of football matches played by the same two teams for eternity.\nThe political class really has the public right where they want them - fighting amongst themselves instead of channelling that energy into demanding and rewarding better governance.", ">\n\nSpoiler… they don’t value conservatism. \nNo conservatives are fucking conservative. \nThey are dumb as fuck. The people leading their party don’t practice religion like they pretend they do, they all have abortions etc. They just get people all excited about this shit even though it doesn’t actually mean shit to them.", ">\n\nThat's missing the point really, and falling into the mode that better suits politicians than it does the citizenry. \nI wouldn't necessarily take what the Republican party does as what all conservatives really, 100% want. It's just the closest to it.\nGet a system that provides more options, ranging from centrist all the way through the MAGA nutjobs and then see who they vote for before making a judgement.\nIf the US is like every other country in the world (and I have seen no reason to think otherwise), there's probably a large central mass of voters who, while on different sides of the political spectrum, probably agree on more things than is evident.\nBut the current political system doesn't accurately portray that. And the media certainly didn't fucking help either.", ">\n\nNeither party will ever let that happen.", ">\n\nThis should be an indicator of how deep the problem goes - it shouldn't be up to the parties. They should be responding to the demands of the people.\nThe FPTP issue is compounded by the US not having mandatory voting. This means parties don't need to consider everyone - a winning strategy can simply be \"be as different to the other team as possible, and create wedge issues that we can throw to our supporters to make them mad enough to vote for us\". They don't have to cater to anyone other than their bases.\nPeople are hung up on the issues that political parties want them to be hung up on. Wedge issues are valid, but in the scheme of things aren't as important as making sure elections are reflective of the actual will of the people.", ">\n\nA perfect example of this is the republicans current fixation: trans issues. Only between 0.5%-1.5% of the US population identify as transgender and yet if you listened to Republicans, you would think this number is considerably higher.", ">\n\nI find it interesting how closely the trump White House was working hand-in-hand with its congressional saboteurs, the House Freedom Caucus, to stage a coup.\nMark Meadows is one the Freedom Caucus' co-founders, Scott Perry is its current Chairman.\nMick Mulvaney, who is yet another co-founder of the Freedom Caucus, and also trump's former Chief of Staff, once said, \"Trump wants to turn Washington upside down – that was his first message and his winning message. We want the exact same thing.\"\nWatch this caucus closely, they are an ongoing threat to democracy, even if trump never returns to the White House. Meanwhile, one of the caucus' other co-founders, Ron DeSantis, has a good chance of picking up where trump and his saboteurs left off.", ">\n\nThey're essentially also the Pro Putin Caucus if you consider how a majority of them have voted against Ukraine aid/other bills having to do with war - and the general parroting of Kremlin talking points.", ">\n\nYes, they are also the pro Putin caucus, or known by their other nick name, the Treason Caucus. Just recently, two members, Boebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky during his congressional address. Many other members did not even attend the speech.", ">\n\n\nBoebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky\n\nAnd Russian media noticed and praised them for it.", ">\n\nNoticed? It was probably their plan", ">\n\nApparently it was over a dozen times the witness saw him burning documents.", ">\n\nI believe she said that he made copies though too.", ">\n\nDo you have a source for that?", ">\n\nI thought I had read a quote in another thread but I think this must be what I saw (Cassidy Hutchinson speaking): “However, I don’t know if they were the first or original copies of anything,” she continued. “It’s entirely possible that he had put things in his fireplace that he also would have put into a burn bag that there were duplicates of or that there was an electronic copy of.”\nSo no, not definitive that he had other copies, but it's possible.\nsource", ">\n\nIt does seem possible that there were copies. Thanks!", ">\n\nI mean if someone typed up something in the 1950s and you burned it, that's it, gone forever. But I find it hard to believe these people were typing out all their secret shit on analog typewriters, they were printing out emails and electronic reports and PDFs. Surely there's got to be copies somewhere.", ">\n\nThey do illegal things because they know they won't be held accountable.", ">\n\nAnd even if we suddenly hold them accountable, we've shown how slow we are to act. If someone wants to really make a run for the coup they will a good idea what their window is... and it's super wide.", ">\n\nIm just so happy don't have to worry about these types of shenanigans from Joe biden", ">\n\nHaven’t you seen the impeach Biden flags? Whatever he did, I shudder to think about. If they won’t say what it is, it must be an unspeakable evil.", ">\n\nThese folks all need to be in jail. For a long, long time." ]

[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good.", ">\n\nRepublican leadership likes a guy like this. Meadows was demonstrating some real rat fuck behavior, and that goes along way with this current iteration of the GOP.", ">\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics? The last 6-7 years, the GOP has really leaned into the overt cruelty, corruption, lies, etc. and their voters fucking love it.\nNobody ever gets held accountable and as long as their voters like it, they’ll just get more and more bold. I don’t know how to even fight against this mentality.", ">\n\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics?\n\nYou get a voting system in place that allows people to express their displeasure without having to completely sacrifice their other principles.\nA conservative is still going to vote Republican, not because they think burning documents is best practise, but because they value conservatism. There are no other avenues for them to vote for conservative values in a first-past-the-post system.\nFirst-past-the-post doesn't give a shit about your political opinion, beyond \"these 2 choices\". The People cannot exercise their duty when it's the same two unpunished parties over and over.\nInstead, it will turn the people against each other as the political system becomes calcified into nothing more than an ongoing series of football matches played by the same two teams for eternity.\nThe political class really has the public right where they want them - fighting amongst themselves instead of channelling that energy into demanding and rewarding better governance.", ">\n\nSpoiler… they don’t value conservatism. \nNo conservatives are fucking conservative. \nThey are dumb as fuck. The people leading their party don’t practice religion like they pretend they do, they all have abortions etc. They just get people all excited about this shit even though it doesn’t actually mean shit to them.", ">\n\nThat's missing the point really, and falling into the mode that better suits politicians than it does the citizenry. \nI wouldn't necessarily take what the Republican party does as what all conservatives really, 100% want. It's just the closest to it.\nGet a system that provides more options, ranging from centrist all the way through the MAGA nutjobs and then see who they vote for before making a judgement.\nIf the US is like every other country in the world (and I have seen no reason to think otherwise), there's probably a large central mass of voters who, while on different sides of the political spectrum, probably agree on more things than is evident.\nBut the current political system doesn't accurately portray that. And the media certainly didn't fucking help either.", ">\n\nNeither party will ever let that happen.", ">\n\nThis should be an indicator of how deep the problem goes - it shouldn't be up to the parties. They should be responding to the demands of the people.\nThe FPTP issue is compounded by the US not having mandatory voting. This means parties don't need to consider everyone - a winning strategy can simply be \"be as different to the other team as possible, and create wedge issues that we can throw to our supporters to make them mad enough to vote for us\". They don't have to cater to anyone other than their bases.\nPeople are hung up on the issues that political parties want them to be hung up on. Wedge issues are valid, but in the scheme of things aren't as important as making sure elections are reflective of the actual will of the people.", ">\n\nA perfect example of this is the republicans current fixation: trans issues. Only between 0.5%-1.5% of the US population identify as transgender and yet if you listened to Republicans, you would think this number is considerably higher.", ">\n\nI find it interesting how closely the trump White House was working hand-in-hand with its congressional saboteurs, the House Freedom Caucus, to stage a coup.\nMark Meadows is one the Freedom Caucus' co-founders, Scott Perry is its current Chairman.\nMick Mulvaney, who is yet another co-founder of the Freedom Caucus, and also trump's former Chief of Staff, once said, \"Trump wants to turn Washington upside down – that was his first message and his winning message. We want the exact same thing.\"\nWatch this caucus closely, they are an ongoing threat to democracy, even if trump never returns to the White House. Meanwhile, one of the caucus' other co-founders, Ron DeSantis, has a good chance of picking up where trump and his saboteurs left off.", ">\n\nThey're essentially also the Pro Putin Caucus if you consider how a majority of them have voted against Ukraine aid/other bills having to do with war - and the general parroting of Kremlin talking points.", ">\n\nYes, they are also the pro Putin caucus, or known by their other nick name, the Treason Caucus. Just recently, two members, Boebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky during his congressional address. Many other members did not even attend the speech.", ">\n\n\nBoebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky\n\nAnd Russian media noticed and praised them for it.", ">\n\nNoticed? It was probably their plan", ">\n\nApparently it was over a dozen times the witness saw him burning documents.", ">\n\nI believe she said that he made copies though too.", ">\n\nDo you have a source for that?", ">\n\nI thought I had read a quote in another thread but I think this must be what I saw (Cassidy Hutchinson speaking): “However, I don’t know if they were the first or original copies of anything,” she continued. “It’s entirely possible that he had put things in his fireplace that he also would have put into a burn bag that there were duplicates of or that there was an electronic copy of.”\nSo no, not definitive that he had other copies, but it's possible.\nsource", ">\n\nIt does seem possible that there were copies. Thanks!", ">\n\nI mean if someone typed up something in the 1950s and you burned it, that's it, gone forever. But I find it hard to believe these people were typing out all their secret shit on analog typewriters, they were printing out emails and electronic reports and PDFs. Surely there's got to be copies somewhere.", ">\n\nThey do illegal things because they know they won't be held accountable.", ">\n\nAnd even if we suddenly hold them accountable, we've shown how slow we are to act. If someone wants to really make a run for the coup they will a good idea what their window is... and it's super wide.", ">\n\nIm just so happy don't have to worry about these types of shenanigans from Joe biden", ">\n\nHaven’t you seen the impeach Biden flags? Whatever he did, I shudder to think about. If they won’t say what it is, it must be an unspeakable evil.", ">\n\nThese folks all need to be in jail. For a long, long time.", ">\n\nYou misspelled forever." ]

[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good.", ">\n\nRepublican leadership likes a guy like this. Meadows was demonstrating some real rat fuck behavior, and that goes along way with this current iteration of the GOP.", ">\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics? The last 6-7 years, the GOP has really leaned into the overt cruelty, corruption, lies, etc. and their voters fucking love it.\nNobody ever gets held accountable and as long as their voters like it, they’ll just get more and more bold. I don’t know how to even fight against this mentality.", ">\n\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics?\n\nYou get a voting system in place that allows people to express their displeasure without having to completely sacrifice their other principles.\nA conservative is still going to vote Republican, not because they think burning documents is best practise, but because they value conservatism. There are no other avenues for them to vote for conservative values in a first-past-the-post system.\nFirst-past-the-post doesn't give a shit about your political opinion, beyond \"these 2 choices\". The People cannot exercise their duty when it's the same two unpunished parties over and over.\nInstead, it will turn the people against each other as the political system becomes calcified into nothing more than an ongoing series of football matches played by the same two teams for eternity.\nThe political class really has the public right where they want them - fighting amongst themselves instead of channelling that energy into demanding and rewarding better governance.", ">\n\nSpoiler… they don’t value conservatism. \nNo conservatives are fucking conservative. \nThey are dumb as fuck. The people leading their party don’t practice religion like they pretend they do, they all have abortions etc. They just get people all excited about this shit even though it doesn’t actually mean shit to them.", ">\n\nThat's missing the point really, and falling into the mode that better suits politicians than it does the citizenry. \nI wouldn't necessarily take what the Republican party does as what all conservatives really, 100% want. It's just the closest to it.\nGet a system that provides more options, ranging from centrist all the way through the MAGA nutjobs and then see who they vote for before making a judgement.\nIf the US is like every other country in the world (and I have seen no reason to think otherwise), there's probably a large central mass of voters who, while on different sides of the political spectrum, probably agree on more things than is evident.\nBut the current political system doesn't accurately portray that. And the media certainly didn't fucking help either.", ">\n\nNeither party will ever let that happen.", ">\n\nThis should be an indicator of how deep the problem goes - it shouldn't be up to the parties. They should be responding to the demands of the people.\nThe FPTP issue is compounded by the US not having mandatory voting. This means parties don't need to consider everyone - a winning strategy can simply be \"be as different to the other team as possible, and create wedge issues that we can throw to our supporters to make them mad enough to vote for us\". They don't have to cater to anyone other than their bases.\nPeople are hung up on the issues that political parties want them to be hung up on. Wedge issues are valid, but in the scheme of things aren't as important as making sure elections are reflective of the actual will of the people.", ">\n\nA perfect example of this is the republicans current fixation: trans issues. Only between 0.5%-1.5% of the US population identify as transgender and yet if you listened to Republicans, you would think this number is considerably higher.", ">\n\nI find it interesting how closely the trump White House was working hand-in-hand with its congressional saboteurs, the House Freedom Caucus, to stage a coup.\nMark Meadows is one the Freedom Caucus' co-founders, Scott Perry is its current Chairman.\nMick Mulvaney, who is yet another co-founder of the Freedom Caucus, and also trump's former Chief of Staff, once said, \"Trump wants to turn Washington upside down – that was his first message and his winning message. We want the exact same thing.\"\nWatch this caucus closely, they are an ongoing threat to democracy, even if trump never returns to the White House. Meanwhile, one of the caucus' other co-founders, Ron DeSantis, has a good chance of picking up where trump and his saboteurs left off.", ">\n\nThey're essentially also the Pro Putin Caucus if you consider how a majority of them have voted against Ukraine aid/other bills having to do with war - and the general parroting of Kremlin talking points.", ">\n\nYes, they are also the pro Putin caucus, or known by their other nick name, the Treason Caucus. Just recently, two members, Boebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky during his congressional address. Many other members did not even attend the speech.", ">\n\n\nBoebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky\n\nAnd Russian media noticed and praised them for it.", ">\n\nNoticed? It was probably their plan", ">\n\nApparently it was over a dozen times the witness saw him burning documents.", ">\n\nI believe she said that he made copies though too.", ">\n\nDo you have a source for that?", ">\n\nI thought I had read a quote in another thread but I think this must be what I saw (Cassidy Hutchinson speaking): “However, I don’t know if they were the first or original copies of anything,” she continued. “It’s entirely possible that he had put things in his fireplace that he also would have put into a burn bag that there were duplicates of or that there was an electronic copy of.”\nSo no, not definitive that he had other copies, but it's possible.\nsource", ">\n\nIt does seem possible that there were copies. Thanks!", ">\n\nI mean if someone typed up something in the 1950s and you burned it, that's it, gone forever. But I find it hard to believe these people were typing out all their secret shit on analog typewriters, they were printing out emails and electronic reports and PDFs. Surely there's got to be copies somewhere.", ">\n\nThey do illegal things because they know they won't be held accountable.", ">\n\nAnd even if we suddenly hold them accountable, we've shown how slow we are to act. If someone wants to really make a run for the coup they will a good idea what their window is... and it's super wide.", ">\n\nIm just so happy don't have to worry about these types of shenanigans from Joe biden", ">\n\nHaven’t you seen the impeach Biden flags? Whatever he did, I shudder to think about. If they won’t say what it is, it must be an unspeakable evil.", ">\n\nThese folks all need to be in jail. For a long, long time.", ">\n\nYou misspelled forever.", ">\n\nNah, it needs to be longer than that" ]

[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good.", ">\n\nRepublican leadership likes a guy like this. Meadows was demonstrating some real rat fuck behavior, and that goes along way with this current iteration of the GOP.", ">\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics? The last 6-7 years, the GOP has really leaned into the overt cruelty, corruption, lies, etc. and their voters fucking love it.\nNobody ever gets held accountable and as long as their voters like it, they’ll just get more and more bold. I don’t know how to even fight against this mentality.", ">\n\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics?\n\nYou get a voting system in place that allows people to express their displeasure without having to completely sacrifice their other principles.\nA conservative is still going to vote Republican, not because they think burning documents is best practise, but because they value conservatism. There are no other avenues for them to vote for conservative values in a first-past-the-post system.\nFirst-past-the-post doesn't give a shit about your political opinion, beyond \"these 2 choices\". The People cannot exercise their duty when it's the same two unpunished parties over and over.\nInstead, it will turn the people against each other as the political system becomes calcified into nothing more than an ongoing series of football matches played by the same two teams for eternity.\nThe political class really has the public right where they want them - fighting amongst themselves instead of channelling that energy into demanding and rewarding better governance.", ">\n\nSpoiler… they don’t value conservatism. \nNo conservatives are fucking conservative. \nThey are dumb as fuck. The people leading their party don’t practice religion like they pretend they do, they all have abortions etc. They just get people all excited about this shit even though it doesn’t actually mean shit to them.", ">\n\nThat's missing the point really, and falling into the mode that better suits politicians than it does the citizenry. \nI wouldn't necessarily take what the Republican party does as what all conservatives really, 100% want. It's just the closest to it.\nGet a system that provides more options, ranging from centrist all the way through the MAGA nutjobs and then see who they vote for before making a judgement.\nIf the US is like every other country in the world (and I have seen no reason to think otherwise), there's probably a large central mass of voters who, while on different sides of the political spectrum, probably agree on more things than is evident.\nBut the current political system doesn't accurately portray that. And the media certainly didn't fucking help either.", ">\n\nNeither party will ever let that happen.", ">\n\nThis should be an indicator of how deep the problem goes - it shouldn't be up to the parties. They should be responding to the demands of the people.\nThe FPTP issue is compounded by the US not having mandatory voting. This means parties don't need to consider everyone - a winning strategy can simply be \"be as different to the other team as possible, and create wedge issues that we can throw to our supporters to make them mad enough to vote for us\". They don't have to cater to anyone other than their bases.\nPeople are hung up on the issues that political parties want them to be hung up on. Wedge issues are valid, but in the scheme of things aren't as important as making sure elections are reflective of the actual will of the people.", ">\n\nA perfect example of this is the republicans current fixation: trans issues. Only between 0.5%-1.5% of the US population identify as transgender and yet if you listened to Republicans, you would think this number is considerably higher.", ">\n\nI find it interesting how closely the trump White House was working hand-in-hand with its congressional saboteurs, the House Freedom Caucus, to stage a coup.\nMark Meadows is one the Freedom Caucus' co-founders, Scott Perry is its current Chairman.\nMick Mulvaney, who is yet another co-founder of the Freedom Caucus, and also trump's former Chief of Staff, once said, \"Trump wants to turn Washington upside down – that was his first message and his winning message. We want the exact same thing.\"\nWatch this caucus closely, they are an ongoing threat to democracy, even if trump never returns to the White House. Meanwhile, one of the caucus' other co-founders, Ron DeSantis, has a good chance of picking up where trump and his saboteurs left off.", ">\n\nThey're essentially also the Pro Putin Caucus if you consider how a majority of them have voted against Ukraine aid/other bills having to do with war - and the general parroting of Kremlin talking points.", ">\n\nYes, they are also the pro Putin caucus, or known by their other nick name, the Treason Caucus. Just recently, two members, Boebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky during his congressional address. Many other members did not even attend the speech.", ">\n\n\nBoebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky\n\nAnd Russian media noticed and praised them for it.", ">\n\nNoticed? It was probably their plan", ">\n\nApparently it was over a dozen times the witness saw him burning documents.", ">\n\nI believe she said that he made copies though too.", ">\n\nDo you have a source for that?", ">\n\nI thought I had read a quote in another thread but I think this must be what I saw (Cassidy Hutchinson speaking): “However, I don’t know if they were the first or original copies of anything,” she continued. “It’s entirely possible that he had put things in his fireplace that he also would have put into a burn bag that there were duplicates of or that there was an electronic copy of.”\nSo no, not definitive that he had other copies, but it's possible.\nsource", ">\n\nIt does seem possible that there were copies. Thanks!", ">\n\nI mean if someone typed up something in the 1950s and you burned it, that's it, gone forever. But I find it hard to believe these people were typing out all their secret shit on analog typewriters, they were printing out emails and electronic reports and PDFs. Surely there's got to be copies somewhere.", ">\n\nThey do illegal things because they know they won't be held accountable.", ">\n\nAnd even if we suddenly hold them accountable, we've shown how slow we are to act. If someone wants to really make a run for the coup they will a good idea what their window is... and it's super wide.", ">\n\nIm just so happy don't have to worry about these types of shenanigans from Joe biden", ">\n\nHaven’t you seen the impeach Biden flags? Whatever he did, I shudder to think about. If they won’t say what it is, it must be an unspeakable evil.", ">\n\nThese folks all need to be in jail. For a long, long time.", ">\n\nYou misspelled forever.", ">\n\nNah, it needs to be longer than that", ">\n\nAnd they need a GoT nun to follow them around and intone SHAME every two minutes or so." ]

[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good.", ">\n\nRepublican leadership likes a guy like this. Meadows was demonstrating some real rat fuck behavior, and that goes along way with this current iteration of the GOP.", ">\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics? The last 6-7 years, the GOP has really leaned into the overt cruelty, corruption, lies, etc. and their voters fucking love it.\nNobody ever gets held accountable and as long as their voters like it, they’ll just get more and more bold. I don’t know how to even fight against this mentality.", ">\n\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics?\n\nYou get a voting system in place that allows people to express their displeasure without having to completely sacrifice their other principles.\nA conservative is still going to vote Republican, not because they think burning documents is best practise, but because they value conservatism. There are no other avenues for them to vote for conservative values in a first-past-the-post system.\nFirst-past-the-post doesn't give a shit about your political opinion, beyond \"these 2 choices\". The People cannot exercise their duty when it's the same two unpunished parties over and over.\nInstead, it will turn the people against each other as the political system becomes calcified into nothing more than an ongoing series of football matches played by the same two teams for eternity.\nThe political class really has the public right where they want them - fighting amongst themselves instead of channelling that energy into demanding and rewarding better governance.", ">\n\nSpoiler… they don’t value conservatism. \nNo conservatives are fucking conservative. \nThey are dumb as fuck. The people leading their party don’t practice religion like they pretend they do, they all have abortions etc. They just get people all excited about this shit even though it doesn’t actually mean shit to them.", ">\n\nThat's missing the point really, and falling into the mode that better suits politicians than it does the citizenry. \nI wouldn't necessarily take what the Republican party does as what all conservatives really, 100% want. It's just the closest to it.\nGet a system that provides more options, ranging from centrist all the way through the MAGA nutjobs and then see who they vote for before making a judgement.\nIf the US is like every other country in the world (and I have seen no reason to think otherwise), there's probably a large central mass of voters who, while on different sides of the political spectrum, probably agree on more things than is evident.\nBut the current political system doesn't accurately portray that. And the media certainly didn't fucking help either.", ">\n\nNeither party will ever let that happen.", ">\n\nThis should be an indicator of how deep the problem goes - it shouldn't be up to the parties. They should be responding to the demands of the people.\nThe FPTP issue is compounded by the US not having mandatory voting. This means parties don't need to consider everyone - a winning strategy can simply be \"be as different to the other team as possible, and create wedge issues that we can throw to our supporters to make them mad enough to vote for us\". They don't have to cater to anyone other than their bases.\nPeople are hung up on the issues that political parties want them to be hung up on. Wedge issues are valid, but in the scheme of things aren't as important as making sure elections are reflective of the actual will of the people.", ">\n\nA perfect example of this is the republicans current fixation: trans issues. Only between 0.5%-1.5% of the US population identify as transgender and yet if you listened to Republicans, you would think this number is considerably higher.", ">\n\nI find it interesting how closely the trump White House was working hand-in-hand with its congressional saboteurs, the House Freedom Caucus, to stage a coup.\nMark Meadows is one the Freedom Caucus' co-founders, Scott Perry is its current Chairman.\nMick Mulvaney, who is yet another co-founder of the Freedom Caucus, and also trump's former Chief of Staff, once said, \"Trump wants to turn Washington upside down – that was his first message and his winning message. We want the exact same thing.\"\nWatch this caucus closely, they are an ongoing threat to democracy, even if trump never returns to the White House. Meanwhile, one of the caucus' other co-founders, Ron DeSantis, has a good chance of picking up where trump and his saboteurs left off.", ">\n\nThey're essentially also the Pro Putin Caucus if you consider how a majority of them have voted against Ukraine aid/other bills having to do with war - and the general parroting of Kremlin talking points.", ">\n\nYes, they are also the pro Putin caucus, or known by their other nick name, the Treason Caucus. Just recently, two members, Boebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky during his congressional address. Many other members did not even attend the speech.", ">\n\n\nBoebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky\n\nAnd Russian media noticed and praised them for it.", ">\n\nNoticed? It was probably their plan", ">\n\nApparently it was over a dozen times the witness saw him burning documents.", ">\n\nI believe she said that he made copies though too.", ">\n\nDo you have a source for that?", ">\n\nI thought I had read a quote in another thread but I think this must be what I saw (Cassidy Hutchinson speaking): “However, I don’t know if they were the first or original copies of anything,” she continued. “It’s entirely possible that he had put things in his fireplace that he also would have put into a burn bag that there were duplicates of or that there was an electronic copy of.”\nSo no, not definitive that he had other copies, but it's possible.\nsource", ">\n\nIt does seem possible that there were copies. Thanks!", ">\n\nI mean if someone typed up something in the 1950s and you burned it, that's it, gone forever. But I find it hard to believe these people were typing out all their secret shit on analog typewriters, they were printing out emails and electronic reports and PDFs. Surely there's got to be copies somewhere.", ">\n\nThey do illegal things because they know they won't be held accountable.", ">\n\nAnd even if we suddenly hold them accountable, we've shown how slow we are to act. If someone wants to really make a run for the coup they will a good idea what their window is... and it's super wide.", ">\n\nIm just so happy don't have to worry about these types of shenanigans from Joe biden", ">\n\nHaven’t you seen the impeach Biden flags? Whatever he did, I shudder to think about. If they won’t say what it is, it must be an unspeakable evil.", ">\n\nThese folks all need to be in jail. For a long, long time.", ">\n\nYou misspelled forever.", ">\n\nNah, it needs to be longer than that", ">\n\nAnd they need a GoT nun to follow them around and intone SHAME every two minutes or so.", ">\n\nYou think that Meadows has come to the realization that he's going to be trump's fall guy? Better start talking." ]

[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good.", ">\n\nRepublican leadership likes a guy like this. Meadows was demonstrating some real rat fuck behavior, and that goes along way with this current iteration of the GOP.", ">\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics? The last 6-7 years, the GOP has really leaned into the overt cruelty, corruption, lies, etc. and their voters fucking love it.\nNobody ever gets held accountable and as long as their voters like it, they’ll just get more and more bold. I don’t know how to even fight against this mentality.", ">\n\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics?\n\nYou get a voting system in place that allows people to express their displeasure without having to completely sacrifice their other principles.\nA conservative is still going to vote Republican, not because they think burning documents is best practise, but because they value conservatism. There are no other avenues for them to vote for conservative values in a first-past-the-post system.\nFirst-past-the-post doesn't give a shit about your political opinion, beyond \"these 2 choices\". The People cannot exercise their duty when it's the same two unpunished parties over and over.\nInstead, it will turn the people against each other as the political system becomes calcified into nothing more than an ongoing series of football matches played by the same two teams for eternity.\nThe political class really has the public right where they want them - fighting amongst themselves instead of channelling that energy into demanding and rewarding better governance.", ">\n\nSpoiler… they don’t value conservatism. \nNo conservatives are fucking conservative. \nThey are dumb as fuck. The people leading their party don’t practice religion like they pretend they do, they all have abortions etc. They just get people all excited about this shit even though it doesn’t actually mean shit to them.", ">\n\nThat's missing the point really, and falling into the mode that better suits politicians than it does the citizenry. \nI wouldn't necessarily take what the Republican party does as what all conservatives really, 100% want. It's just the closest to it.\nGet a system that provides more options, ranging from centrist all the way through the MAGA nutjobs and then see who they vote for before making a judgement.\nIf the US is like every other country in the world (and I have seen no reason to think otherwise), there's probably a large central mass of voters who, while on different sides of the political spectrum, probably agree on more things than is evident.\nBut the current political system doesn't accurately portray that. And the media certainly didn't fucking help either.", ">\n\nNeither party will ever let that happen.", ">\n\nThis should be an indicator of how deep the problem goes - it shouldn't be up to the parties. They should be responding to the demands of the people.\nThe FPTP issue is compounded by the US not having mandatory voting. This means parties don't need to consider everyone - a winning strategy can simply be \"be as different to the other team as possible, and create wedge issues that we can throw to our supporters to make them mad enough to vote for us\". They don't have to cater to anyone other than their bases.\nPeople are hung up on the issues that political parties want them to be hung up on. Wedge issues are valid, but in the scheme of things aren't as important as making sure elections are reflective of the actual will of the people.", ">\n\nA perfect example of this is the republicans current fixation: trans issues. Only between 0.5%-1.5% of the US population identify as transgender and yet if you listened to Republicans, you would think this number is considerably higher.", ">\n\nI find it interesting how closely the trump White House was working hand-in-hand with its congressional saboteurs, the House Freedom Caucus, to stage a coup.\nMark Meadows is one the Freedom Caucus' co-founders, Scott Perry is its current Chairman.\nMick Mulvaney, who is yet another co-founder of the Freedom Caucus, and also trump's former Chief of Staff, once said, \"Trump wants to turn Washington upside down – that was his first message and his winning message. We want the exact same thing.\"\nWatch this caucus closely, they are an ongoing threat to democracy, even if trump never returns to the White House. Meanwhile, one of the caucus' other co-founders, Ron DeSantis, has a good chance of picking up where trump and his saboteurs left off.", ">\n\nThey're essentially also the Pro Putin Caucus if you consider how a majority of them have voted against Ukraine aid/other bills having to do with war - and the general parroting of Kremlin talking points.", ">\n\nYes, they are also the pro Putin caucus, or known by their other nick name, the Treason Caucus. Just recently, two members, Boebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky during his congressional address. Many other members did not even attend the speech.", ">\n\n\nBoebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky\n\nAnd Russian media noticed and praised them for it.", ">\n\nNoticed? It was probably their plan", ">\n\nApparently it was over a dozen times the witness saw him burning documents.", ">\n\nI believe she said that he made copies though too.", ">\n\nDo you have a source for that?", ">\n\nI thought I had read a quote in another thread but I think this must be what I saw (Cassidy Hutchinson speaking): “However, I don’t know if they were the first or original copies of anything,” she continued. “It’s entirely possible that he had put things in his fireplace that he also would have put into a burn bag that there were duplicates of or that there was an electronic copy of.”\nSo no, not definitive that he had other copies, but it's possible.\nsource", ">\n\nIt does seem possible that there were copies. Thanks!", ">\n\nI mean if someone typed up something in the 1950s and you burned it, that's it, gone forever. But I find it hard to believe these people were typing out all their secret shit on analog typewriters, they were printing out emails and electronic reports and PDFs. Surely there's got to be copies somewhere.", ">\n\nThey do illegal things because they know they won't be held accountable.", ">\n\nAnd even if we suddenly hold them accountable, we've shown how slow we are to act. If someone wants to really make a run for the coup they will a good idea what their window is... and it's super wide.", ">\n\nIm just so happy don't have to worry about these types of shenanigans from Joe biden", ">\n\nHaven’t you seen the impeach Biden flags? Whatever he did, I shudder to think about. If they won’t say what it is, it must be an unspeakable evil.", ">\n\nThese folks all need to be in jail. For a long, long time.", ">\n\nYou misspelled forever.", ">\n\nNah, it needs to be longer than that", ">\n\nAnd they need a GoT nun to follow them around and intone SHAME every two minutes or so.", ">\n\nYou think that Meadows has come to the realization that he's going to be trump's fall guy? Better start talking.", ">\n\nIt seems like he drank the Koolaid, I bet they'd have to make him talk." ]

[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good.", ">\n\nRepublican leadership likes a guy like this. Meadows was demonstrating some real rat fuck behavior, and that goes along way with this current iteration of the GOP.", ">\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics? The last 6-7 years, the GOP has really leaned into the overt cruelty, corruption, lies, etc. and their voters fucking love it.\nNobody ever gets held accountable and as long as their voters like it, they’ll just get more and more bold. I don’t know how to even fight against this mentality.", ">\n\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics?\n\nYou get a voting system in place that allows people to express their displeasure without having to completely sacrifice their other principles.\nA conservative is still going to vote Republican, not because they think burning documents is best practise, but because they value conservatism. There are no other avenues for them to vote for conservative values in a first-past-the-post system.\nFirst-past-the-post doesn't give a shit about your political opinion, beyond \"these 2 choices\". The People cannot exercise their duty when it's the same two unpunished parties over and over.\nInstead, it will turn the people against each other as the political system becomes calcified into nothing more than an ongoing series of football matches played by the same two teams for eternity.\nThe political class really has the public right where they want them - fighting amongst themselves instead of channelling that energy into demanding and rewarding better governance.", ">\n\nSpoiler… they don’t value conservatism. \nNo conservatives are fucking conservative. \nThey are dumb as fuck. The people leading their party don’t practice religion like they pretend they do, they all have abortions etc. They just get people all excited about this shit even though it doesn’t actually mean shit to them.", ">\n\nThat's missing the point really, and falling into the mode that better suits politicians than it does the citizenry. \nI wouldn't necessarily take what the Republican party does as what all conservatives really, 100% want. It's just the closest to it.\nGet a system that provides more options, ranging from centrist all the way through the MAGA nutjobs and then see who they vote for before making a judgement.\nIf the US is like every other country in the world (and I have seen no reason to think otherwise), there's probably a large central mass of voters who, while on different sides of the political spectrum, probably agree on more things than is evident.\nBut the current political system doesn't accurately portray that. And the media certainly didn't fucking help either.", ">\n\nNeither party will ever let that happen.", ">\n\nThis should be an indicator of how deep the problem goes - it shouldn't be up to the parties. They should be responding to the demands of the people.\nThe FPTP issue is compounded by the US not having mandatory voting. This means parties don't need to consider everyone - a winning strategy can simply be \"be as different to the other team as possible, and create wedge issues that we can throw to our supporters to make them mad enough to vote for us\". They don't have to cater to anyone other than their bases.\nPeople are hung up on the issues that political parties want them to be hung up on. Wedge issues are valid, but in the scheme of things aren't as important as making sure elections are reflective of the actual will of the people.", ">\n\nA perfect example of this is the republicans current fixation: trans issues. Only between 0.5%-1.5% of the US population identify as transgender and yet if you listened to Republicans, you would think this number is considerably higher.", ">\n\nI find it interesting how closely the trump White House was working hand-in-hand with its congressional saboteurs, the House Freedom Caucus, to stage a coup.\nMark Meadows is one the Freedom Caucus' co-founders, Scott Perry is its current Chairman.\nMick Mulvaney, who is yet another co-founder of the Freedom Caucus, and also trump's former Chief of Staff, once said, \"Trump wants to turn Washington upside down – that was his first message and his winning message. We want the exact same thing.\"\nWatch this caucus closely, they are an ongoing threat to democracy, even if trump never returns to the White House. Meanwhile, one of the caucus' other co-founders, Ron DeSantis, has a good chance of picking up where trump and his saboteurs left off.", ">\n\nThey're essentially also the Pro Putin Caucus if you consider how a majority of them have voted against Ukraine aid/other bills having to do with war - and the general parroting of Kremlin talking points.", ">\n\nYes, they are also the pro Putin caucus, or known by their other nick name, the Treason Caucus. Just recently, two members, Boebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky during his congressional address. Many other members did not even attend the speech.", ">\n\n\nBoebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky\n\nAnd Russian media noticed and praised them for it.", ">\n\nNoticed? It was probably their plan", ">\n\nApparently it was over a dozen times the witness saw him burning documents.", ">\n\nI believe she said that he made copies though too.", ">\n\nDo you have a source for that?", ">\n\nI thought I had read a quote in another thread but I think this must be what I saw (Cassidy Hutchinson speaking): “However, I don’t know if they were the first or original copies of anything,” she continued. “It’s entirely possible that he had put things in his fireplace that he also would have put into a burn bag that there were duplicates of or that there was an electronic copy of.”\nSo no, not definitive that he had other copies, but it's possible.\nsource", ">\n\nIt does seem possible that there were copies. Thanks!", ">\n\nI mean if someone typed up something in the 1950s and you burned it, that's it, gone forever. But I find it hard to believe these people were typing out all their secret shit on analog typewriters, they were printing out emails and electronic reports and PDFs. Surely there's got to be copies somewhere.", ">\n\nThey do illegal things because they know they won't be held accountable.", ">\n\nAnd even if we suddenly hold them accountable, we've shown how slow we are to act. If someone wants to really make a run for the coup they will a good idea what their window is... and it's super wide.", ">\n\nIm just so happy don't have to worry about these types of shenanigans from Joe biden", ">\n\nHaven’t you seen the impeach Biden flags? Whatever he did, I shudder to think about. If they won’t say what it is, it must be an unspeakable evil.", ">\n\nThese folks all need to be in jail. For a long, long time.", ">\n\nYou misspelled forever.", ">\n\nNah, it needs to be longer than that", ">\n\nAnd they need a GoT nun to follow them around and intone SHAME every two minutes or so.", ">\n\nYou think that Meadows has come to the realization that he's going to be trump's fall guy? Better start talking.", ">\n\nIt seems like he drank the Koolaid, I bet they'd have to make him talk.", ">\n\nThat's a thought that plagues me. Think of all of the shit that has come out on this administration. Now think of the fact that everything we know is just what's left after they tried very hard to cover the worst of it up." ]

[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good.", ">\n\nRepublican leadership likes a guy like this. Meadows was demonstrating some real rat fuck behavior, and that goes along way with this current iteration of the GOP.", ">\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics? The last 6-7 years, the GOP has really leaned into the overt cruelty, corruption, lies, etc. and their voters fucking love it.\nNobody ever gets held accountable and as long as their voters like it, they’ll just get more and more bold. I don’t know how to even fight against this mentality.", ">\n\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics?\n\nYou get a voting system in place that allows people to express their displeasure without having to completely sacrifice their other principles.\nA conservative is still going to vote Republican, not because they think burning documents is best practise, but because they value conservatism. There are no other avenues for them to vote for conservative values in a first-past-the-post system.\nFirst-past-the-post doesn't give a shit about your political opinion, beyond \"these 2 choices\". The People cannot exercise their duty when it's the same two unpunished parties over and over.\nInstead, it will turn the people against each other as the political system becomes calcified into nothing more than an ongoing series of football matches played by the same two teams for eternity.\nThe political class really has the public right where they want them - fighting amongst themselves instead of channelling that energy into demanding and rewarding better governance.", ">\n\nSpoiler… they don’t value conservatism. \nNo conservatives are fucking conservative. \nThey are dumb as fuck. The people leading their party don’t practice religion like they pretend they do, they all have abortions etc. They just get people all excited about this shit even though it doesn’t actually mean shit to them.", ">\n\nThat's missing the point really, and falling into the mode that better suits politicians than it does the citizenry. \nI wouldn't necessarily take what the Republican party does as what all conservatives really, 100% want. It's just the closest to it.\nGet a system that provides more options, ranging from centrist all the way through the MAGA nutjobs and then see who they vote for before making a judgement.\nIf the US is like every other country in the world (and I have seen no reason to think otherwise), there's probably a large central mass of voters who, while on different sides of the political spectrum, probably agree on more things than is evident.\nBut the current political system doesn't accurately portray that. And the media certainly didn't fucking help either.", ">\n\nNeither party will ever let that happen.", ">\n\nThis should be an indicator of how deep the problem goes - it shouldn't be up to the parties. They should be responding to the demands of the people.\nThe FPTP issue is compounded by the US not having mandatory voting. This means parties don't need to consider everyone - a winning strategy can simply be \"be as different to the other team as possible, and create wedge issues that we can throw to our supporters to make them mad enough to vote for us\". They don't have to cater to anyone other than their bases.\nPeople are hung up on the issues that political parties want them to be hung up on. Wedge issues are valid, but in the scheme of things aren't as important as making sure elections are reflective of the actual will of the people.", ">\n\nA perfect example of this is the republicans current fixation: trans issues. Only between 0.5%-1.5% of the US population identify as transgender and yet if you listened to Republicans, you would think this number is considerably higher.", ">\n\nI find it interesting how closely the trump White House was working hand-in-hand with its congressional saboteurs, the House Freedom Caucus, to stage a coup.\nMark Meadows is one the Freedom Caucus' co-founders, Scott Perry is its current Chairman.\nMick Mulvaney, who is yet another co-founder of the Freedom Caucus, and also trump's former Chief of Staff, once said, \"Trump wants to turn Washington upside down – that was his first message and his winning message. We want the exact same thing.\"\nWatch this caucus closely, they are an ongoing threat to democracy, even if trump never returns to the White House. Meanwhile, one of the caucus' other co-founders, Ron DeSantis, has a good chance of picking up where trump and his saboteurs left off.", ">\n\nThey're essentially also the Pro Putin Caucus if you consider how a majority of them have voted against Ukraine aid/other bills having to do with war - and the general parroting of Kremlin talking points.", ">\n\nYes, they are also the pro Putin caucus, or known by their other nick name, the Treason Caucus. Just recently, two members, Boebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky during his congressional address. Many other members did not even attend the speech.", ">\n\n\nBoebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky\n\nAnd Russian media noticed and praised them for it.", ">\n\nNoticed? It was probably their plan", ">\n\nApparently it was over a dozen times the witness saw him burning documents.", ">\n\nI believe she said that he made copies though too.", ">\n\nDo you have a source for that?", ">\n\nI thought I had read a quote in another thread but I think this must be what I saw (Cassidy Hutchinson speaking): “However, I don’t know if they were the first or original copies of anything,” she continued. “It’s entirely possible that he had put things in his fireplace that he also would have put into a burn bag that there were duplicates of or that there was an electronic copy of.”\nSo no, not definitive that he had other copies, but it's possible.\nsource", ">\n\nIt does seem possible that there were copies. Thanks!", ">\n\nI mean if someone typed up something in the 1950s and you burned it, that's it, gone forever. But I find it hard to believe these people were typing out all their secret shit on analog typewriters, they were printing out emails and electronic reports and PDFs. Surely there's got to be copies somewhere.", ">\n\nThey do illegal things because they know they won't be held accountable.", ">\n\nAnd even if we suddenly hold them accountable, we've shown how slow we are to act. If someone wants to really make a run for the coup they will a good idea what their window is... and it's super wide.", ">\n\nIm just so happy don't have to worry about these types of shenanigans from Joe biden", ">\n\nHaven’t you seen the impeach Biden flags? Whatever he did, I shudder to think about. If they won’t say what it is, it must be an unspeakable evil.", ">\n\nThese folks all need to be in jail. For a long, long time.", ">\n\nYou misspelled forever.", ">\n\nNah, it needs to be longer than that", ">\n\nAnd they need a GoT nun to follow them around and intone SHAME every two minutes or so.", ">\n\nYou think that Meadows has come to the realization that he's going to be trump's fall guy? Better start talking.", ">\n\nIt seems like he drank the Koolaid, I bet they'd have to make him talk.", ">\n\nThat's a thought that plagues me. Think of all of the shit that has come out on this administration. Now think of the fact that everything we know is just what's left after they tried very hard to cover the worst of it up.", ">\n\nThere's a legacy for the Trump Admin to add to all the future history books: The administration that was responsible for all of The White House fireplaces being bricked in." ]

[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good.", ">\n\nRepublican leadership likes a guy like this. Meadows was demonstrating some real rat fuck behavior, and that goes along way with this current iteration of the GOP.", ">\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics? The last 6-7 years, the GOP has really leaned into the overt cruelty, corruption, lies, etc. and their voters fucking love it.\nNobody ever gets held accountable and as long as their voters like it, they’ll just get more and more bold. I don’t know how to even fight against this mentality.", ">\n\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics?\n\nYou get a voting system in place that allows people to express their displeasure without having to completely sacrifice their other principles.\nA conservative is still going to vote Republican, not because they think burning documents is best practise, but because they value conservatism. There are no other avenues for them to vote for conservative values in a first-past-the-post system.\nFirst-past-the-post doesn't give a shit about your political opinion, beyond \"these 2 choices\". The People cannot exercise their duty when it's the same two unpunished parties over and over.\nInstead, it will turn the people against each other as the political system becomes calcified into nothing more than an ongoing series of football matches played by the same two teams for eternity.\nThe political class really has the public right where they want them - fighting amongst themselves instead of channelling that energy into demanding and rewarding better governance.", ">\n\nSpoiler… they don’t value conservatism. \nNo conservatives are fucking conservative. \nThey are dumb as fuck. The people leading their party don’t practice religion like they pretend they do, they all have abortions etc. They just get people all excited about this shit even though it doesn’t actually mean shit to them.", ">\n\nThat's missing the point really, and falling into the mode that better suits politicians than it does the citizenry. \nI wouldn't necessarily take what the Republican party does as what all conservatives really, 100% want. It's just the closest to it.\nGet a system that provides more options, ranging from centrist all the way through the MAGA nutjobs and then see who they vote for before making a judgement.\nIf the US is like every other country in the world (and I have seen no reason to think otherwise), there's probably a large central mass of voters who, while on different sides of the political spectrum, probably agree on more things than is evident.\nBut the current political system doesn't accurately portray that. And the media certainly didn't fucking help either.", ">\n\nNeither party will ever let that happen.", ">\n\nThis should be an indicator of how deep the problem goes - it shouldn't be up to the parties. They should be responding to the demands of the people.\nThe FPTP issue is compounded by the US not having mandatory voting. This means parties don't need to consider everyone - a winning strategy can simply be \"be as different to the other team as possible, and create wedge issues that we can throw to our supporters to make them mad enough to vote for us\". They don't have to cater to anyone other than their bases.\nPeople are hung up on the issues that political parties want them to be hung up on. Wedge issues are valid, but in the scheme of things aren't as important as making sure elections are reflective of the actual will of the people.", ">\n\nA perfect example of this is the republicans current fixation: trans issues. Only between 0.5%-1.5% of the US population identify as transgender and yet if you listened to Republicans, you would think this number is considerably higher.", ">\n\nI find it interesting how closely the trump White House was working hand-in-hand with its congressional saboteurs, the House Freedom Caucus, to stage a coup.\nMark Meadows is one the Freedom Caucus' co-founders, Scott Perry is its current Chairman.\nMick Mulvaney, who is yet another co-founder of the Freedom Caucus, and also trump's former Chief of Staff, once said, \"Trump wants to turn Washington upside down – that was his first message and his winning message. We want the exact same thing.\"\nWatch this caucus closely, they are an ongoing threat to democracy, even if trump never returns to the White House. Meanwhile, one of the caucus' other co-founders, Ron DeSantis, has a good chance of picking up where trump and his saboteurs left off.", ">\n\nThey're essentially also the Pro Putin Caucus if you consider how a majority of them have voted against Ukraine aid/other bills having to do with war - and the general parroting of Kremlin talking points.", ">\n\nYes, they are also the pro Putin caucus, or known by their other nick name, the Treason Caucus. Just recently, two members, Boebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky during his congressional address. Many other members did not even attend the speech.", ">\n\n\nBoebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky\n\nAnd Russian media noticed and praised them for it.", ">\n\nNoticed? It was probably their plan", ">\n\nApparently it was over a dozen times the witness saw him burning documents.", ">\n\nI believe she said that he made copies though too.", ">\n\nDo you have a source for that?", ">\n\nI thought I had read a quote in another thread but I think this must be what I saw (Cassidy Hutchinson speaking): “However, I don’t know if they were the first or original copies of anything,” she continued. “It’s entirely possible that he had put things in his fireplace that he also would have put into a burn bag that there were duplicates of or that there was an electronic copy of.”\nSo no, not definitive that he had other copies, but it's possible.\nsource", ">\n\nIt does seem possible that there were copies. Thanks!", ">\n\nI mean if someone typed up something in the 1950s and you burned it, that's it, gone forever. But I find it hard to believe these people were typing out all their secret shit on analog typewriters, they were printing out emails and electronic reports and PDFs. Surely there's got to be copies somewhere.", ">\n\nThey do illegal things because they know they won't be held accountable.", ">\n\nAnd even if we suddenly hold them accountable, we've shown how slow we are to act. If someone wants to really make a run for the coup they will a good idea what their window is... and it's super wide.", ">\n\nIm just so happy don't have to worry about these types of shenanigans from Joe biden", ">\n\nHaven’t you seen the impeach Biden flags? Whatever he did, I shudder to think about. If they won’t say what it is, it must be an unspeakable evil.", ">\n\nThese folks all need to be in jail. For a long, long time.", ">\n\nYou misspelled forever.", ">\n\nNah, it needs to be longer than that", ">\n\nAnd they need a GoT nun to follow them around and intone SHAME every two minutes or so.", ">\n\nYou think that Meadows has come to the realization that he's going to be trump's fall guy? Better start talking.", ">\n\nIt seems like he drank the Koolaid, I bet they'd have to make him talk.", ">\n\nThat's a thought that plagues me. Think of all of the shit that has come out on this administration. Now think of the fact that everything we know is just what's left after they tried very hard to cover the worst of it up.", ">\n\nThere's a legacy for the Trump Admin to add to all the future history books: The administration that was responsible for all of The White House fireplaces being bricked in.", ">\n\nSome day he'll give Michelle Obama a piece of candy and all will be forgiven." ]

[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good.", ">\n\nRepublican leadership likes a guy like this. Meadows was demonstrating some real rat fuck behavior, and that goes along way with this current iteration of the GOP.", ">\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics? The last 6-7 years, the GOP has really leaned into the overt cruelty, corruption, lies, etc. and their voters fucking love it.\nNobody ever gets held accountable and as long as their voters like it, they’ll just get more and more bold. I don’t know how to even fight against this mentality.", ">\n\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics?\n\nYou get a voting system in place that allows people to express their displeasure without having to completely sacrifice their other principles.\nA conservative is still going to vote Republican, not because they think burning documents is best practise, but because they value conservatism. There are no other avenues for them to vote for conservative values in a first-past-the-post system.\nFirst-past-the-post doesn't give a shit about your political opinion, beyond \"these 2 choices\". The People cannot exercise their duty when it's the same two unpunished parties over and over.\nInstead, it will turn the people against each other as the political system becomes calcified into nothing more than an ongoing series of football matches played by the same two teams for eternity.\nThe political class really has the public right where they want them - fighting amongst themselves instead of channelling that energy into demanding and rewarding better governance.", ">\n\nSpoiler… they don’t value conservatism. \nNo conservatives are fucking conservative. \nThey are dumb as fuck. The people leading their party don’t practice religion like they pretend they do, they all have abortions etc. They just get people all excited about this shit even though it doesn’t actually mean shit to them.", ">\n\nThat's missing the point really, and falling into the mode that better suits politicians than it does the citizenry. \nI wouldn't necessarily take what the Republican party does as what all conservatives really, 100% want. It's just the closest to it.\nGet a system that provides more options, ranging from centrist all the way through the MAGA nutjobs and then see who they vote for before making a judgement.\nIf the US is like every other country in the world (and I have seen no reason to think otherwise), there's probably a large central mass of voters who, while on different sides of the political spectrum, probably agree on more things than is evident.\nBut the current political system doesn't accurately portray that. And the media certainly didn't fucking help either.", ">\n\nNeither party will ever let that happen.", ">\n\nThis should be an indicator of how deep the problem goes - it shouldn't be up to the parties. They should be responding to the demands of the people.\nThe FPTP issue is compounded by the US not having mandatory voting. This means parties don't need to consider everyone - a winning strategy can simply be \"be as different to the other team as possible, and create wedge issues that we can throw to our supporters to make them mad enough to vote for us\". They don't have to cater to anyone other than their bases.\nPeople are hung up on the issues that political parties want them to be hung up on. Wedge issues are valid, but in the scheme of things aren't as important as making sure elections are reflective of the actual will of the people.", ">\n\nA perfect example of this is the republicans current fixation: trans issues. Only between 0.5%-1.5% of the US population identify as transgender and yet if you listened to Republicans, you would think this number is considerably higher.", ">\n\nI find it interesting how closely the trump White House was working hand-in-hand with its congressional saboteurs, the House Freedom Caucus, to stage a coup.\nMark Meadows is one the Freedom Caucus' co-founders, Scott Perry is its current Chairman.\nMick Mulvaney, who is yet another co-founder of the Freedom Caucus, and also trump's former Chief of Staff, once said, \"Trump wants to turn Washington upside down – that was his first message and his winning message. We want the exact same thing.\"\nWatch this caucus closely, they are an ongoing threat to democracy, even if trump never returns to the White House. Meanwhile, one of the caucus' other co-founders, Ron DeSantis, has a good chance of picking up where trump and his saboteurs left off.", ">\n\nThey're essentially also the Pro Putin Caucus if you consider how a majority of them have voted against Ukraine aid/other bills having to do with war - and the general parroting of Kremlin talking points.", ">\n\nYes, they are also the pro Putin caucus, or known by their other nick name, the Treason Caucus. Just recently, two members, Boebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky during his congressional address. Many other members did not even attend the speech.", ">\n\n\nBoebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky\n\nAnd Russian media noticed and praised them for it.", ">\n\nNoticed? It was probably their plan", ">\n\nApparently it was over a dozen times the witness saw him burning documents.", ">\n\nI believe she said that he made copies though too.", ">\n\nDo you have a source for that?", ">\n\nI thought I had read a quote in another thread but I think this must be what I saw (Cassidy Hutchinson speaking): “However, I don’t know if they were the first or original copies of anything,” she continued. “It’s entirely possible that he had put things in his fireplace that he also would have put into a burn bag that there were duplicates of or that there was an electronic copy of.”\nSo no, not definitive that he had other copies, but it's possible.\nsource", ">\n\nIt does seem possible that there were copies. Thanks!", ">\n\nI mean if someone typed up something in the 1950s and you burned it, that's it, gone forever. But I find it hard to believe these people were typing out all their secret shit on analog typewriters, they were printing out emails and electronic reports and PDFs. Surely there's got to be copies somewhere.", ">\n\nThey do illegal things because they know they won't be held accountable.", ">\n\nAnd even if we suddenly hold them accountable, we've shown how slow we are to act. If someone wants to really make a run for the coup they will a good idea what their window is... and it's super wide.", ">\n\nIm just so happy don't have to worry about these types of shenanigans from Joe biden", ">\n\nHaven’t you seen the impeach Biden flags? Whatever he did, I shudder to think about. If they won’t say what it is, it must be an unspeakable evil.", ">\n\nThese folks all need to be in jail. For a long, long time.", ">\n\nYou misspelled forever.", ">\n\nNah, it needs to be longer than that", ">\n\nAnd they need a GoT nun to follow them around and intone SHAME every two minutes or so.", ">\n\nYou think that Meadows has come to the realization that he's going to be trump's fall guy? Better start talking.", ">\n\nIt seems like he drank the Koolaid, I bet they'd have to make him talk.", ">\n\nThat's a thought that plagues me. Think of all of the shit that has come out on this administration. Now think of the fact that everything we know is just what's left after they tried very hard to cover the worst of it up.", ">\n\nThere's a legacy for the Trump Admin to add to all the future history books: The administration that was responsible for all of The White House fireplaces being bricked in.", ">\n\nSome day he'll give Michelle Obama a piece of candy and all will be forgiven.", ">\n\nDestruction of evidence should result in an automatic guilty verdict." ]

[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good.", ">\n\nRepublican leadership likes a guy like this. Meadows was demonstrating some real rat fuck behavior, and that goes along way with this current iteration of the GOP.", ">\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics? The last 6-7 years, the GOP has really leaned into the overt cruelty, corruption, lies, etc. and their voters fucking love it.\nNobody ever gets held accountable and as long as their voters like it, they’ll just get more and more bold. I don’t know how to even fight against this mentality.", ">\n\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics?\n\nYou get a voting system in place that allows people to express their displeasure without having to completely sacrifice their other principles.\nA conservative is still going to vote Republican, not because they think burning documents is best practise, but because they value conservatism. There are no other avenues for them to vote for conservative values in a first-past-the-post system.\nFirst-past-the-post doesn't give a shit about your political opinion, beyond \"these 2 choices\". The People cannot exercise their duty when it's the same two unpunished parties over and over.\nInstead, it will turn the people against each other as the political system becomes calcified into nothing more than an ongoing series of football matches played by the same two teams for eternity.\nThe political class really has the public right where they want them - fighting amongst themselves instead of channelling that energy into demanding and rewarding better governance.", ">\n\nSpoiler… they don’t value conservatism. \nNo conservatives are fucking conservative. \nThey are dumb as fuck. The people leading their party don’t practice religion like they pretend they do, they all have abortions etc. They just get people all excited about this shit even though it doesn’t actually mean shit to them.", ">\n\nThat's missing the point really, and falling into the mode that better suits politicians than it does the citizenry. \nI wouldn't necessarily take what the Republican party does as what all conservatives really, 100% want. It's just the closest to it.\nGet a system that provides more options, ranging from centrist all the way through the MAGA nutjobs and then see who they vote for before making a judgement.\nIf the US is like every other country in the world (and I have seen no reason to think otherwise), there's probably a large central mass of voters who, while on different sides of the political spectrum, probably agree on more things than is evident.\nBut the current political system doesn't accurately portray that. And the media certainly didn't fucking help either.", ">\n\nNeither party will ever let that happen.", ">\n\nThis should be an indicator of how deep the problem goes - it shouldn't be up to the parties. They should be responding to the demands of the people.\nThe FPTP issue is compounded by the US not having mandatory voting. This means parties don't need to consider everyone - a winning strategy can simply be \"be as different to the other team as possible, and create wedge issues that we can throw to our supporters to make them mad enough to vote for us\". They don't have to cater to anyone other than their bases.\nPeople are hung up on the issues that political parties want them to be hung up on. Wedge issues are valid, but in the scheme of things aren't as important as making sure elections are reflective of the actual will of the people.", ">\n\nA perfect example of this is the republicans current fixation: trans issues. Only between 0.5%-1.5% of the US population identify as transgender and yet if you listened to Republicans, you would think this number is considerably higher.", ">\n\nI find it interesting how closely the trump White House was working hand-in-hand with its congressional saboteurs, the House Freedom Caucus, to stage a coup.\nMark Meadows is one the Freedom Caucus' co-founders, Scott Perry is its current Chairman.\nMick Mulvaney, who is yet another co-founder of the Freedom Caucus, and also trump's former Chief of Staff, once said, \"Trump wants to turn Washington upside down – that was his first message and his winning message. We want the exact same thing.\"\nWatch this caucus closely, they are an ongoing threat to democracy, even if trump never returns to the White House. Meanwhile, one of the caucus' other co-founders, Ron DeSantis, has a good chance of picking up where trump and his saboteurs left off.", ">\n\nThey're essentially also the Pro Putin Caucus if you consider how a majority of them have voted against Ukraine aid/other bills having to do with war - and the general parroting of Kremlin talking points.", ">\n\nYes, they are also the pro Putin caucus, or known by their other nick name, the Treason Caucus. Just recently, two members, Boebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky during his congressional address. Many other members did not even attend the speech.", ">\n\n\nBoebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky\n\nAnd Russian media noticed and praised them for it.", ">\n\nNoticed? It was probably their plan", ">\n\nApparently it was over a dozen times the witness saw him burning documents.", ">\n\nI believe she said that he made copies though too.", ">\n\nDo you have a source for that?", ">\n\nI thought I had read a quote in another thread but I think this must be what I saw (Cassidy Hutchinson speaking): “However, I don’t know if they were the first or original copies of anything,” she continued. “It’s entirely possible that he had put things in his fireplace that he also would have put into a burn bag that there were duplicates of or that there was an electronic copy of.”\nSo no, not definitive that he had other copies, but it's possible.\nsource", ">\n\nIt does seem possible that there were copies. Thanks!", ">\n\nI mean if someone typed up something in the 1950s and you burned it, that's it, gone forever. But I find it hard to believe these people were typing out all their secret shit on analog typewriters, they were printing out emails and electronic reports and PDFs. Surely there's got to be copies somewhere.", ">\n\nThey do illegal things because they know they won't be held accountable.", ">\n\nAnd even if we suddenly hold them accountable, we've shown how slow we are to act. If someone wants to really make a run for the coup they will a good idea what their window is... and it's super wide.", ">\n\nIm just so happy don't have to worry about these types of shenanigans from Joe biden", ">\n\nHaven’t you seen the impeach Biden flags? Whatever he did, I shudder to think about. If they won’t say what it is, it must be an unspeakable evil.", ">\n\nThese folks all need to be in jail. For a long, long time.", ">\n\nYou misspelled forever.", ">\n\nNah, it needs to be longer than that", ">\n\nAnd they need a GoT nun to follow them around and intone SHAME every two minutes or so.", ">\n\nYou think that Meadows has come to the realization that he's going to be trump's fall guy? Better start talking.", ">\n\nIt seems like he drank the Koolaid, I bet they'd have to make him talk.", ">\n\nThat's a thought that plagues me. Think of all of the shit that has come out on this administration. Now think of the fact that everything we know is just what's left after they tried very hard to cover the worst of it up.", ">\n\nThere's a legacy for the Trump Admin to add to all the future history books: The administration that was responsible for all of The White House fireplaces being bricked in.", ">\n\nSome day he'll give Michelle Obama a piece of candy and all will be forgiven.", ">\n\nDestruction of evidence should result in an automatic guilty verdict.", ">\n\nNot to be AH, but how can anyone prove that the tinder wasn't doodles of dicks.\nI'm waiting for real evidence that can be introduced into a court. Without that, we have the theory, just not the evidence. Giuliani showed how that works in court." ]

[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good.", ">\n\nRepublican leadership likes a guy like this. Meadows was demonstrating some real rat fuck behavior, and that goes along way with this current iteration of the GOP.", ">\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics? The last 6-7 years, the GOP has really leaned into the overt cruelty, corruption, lies, etc. and their voters fucking love it.\nNobody ever gets held accountable and as long as their voters like it, they’ll just get more and more bold. I don’t know how to even fight against this mentality.", ">\n\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics?\n\nYou get a voting system in place that allows people to express their displeasure without having to completely sacrifice their other principles.\nA conservative is still going to vote Republican, not because they think burning documents is best practise, but because they value conservatism. There are no other avenues for them to vote for conservative values in a first-past-the-post system.\nFirst-past-the-post doesn't give a shit about your political opinion, beyond \"these 2 choices\". The People cannot exercise their duty when it's the same two unpunished parties over and over.\nInstead, it will turn the people against each other as the political system becomes calcified into nothing more than an ongoing series of football matches played by the same two teams for eternity.\nThe political class really has the public right where they want them - fighting amongst themselves instead of channelling that energy into demanding and rewarding better governance.", ">\n\nSpoiler… they don’t value conservatism. \nNo conservatives are fucking conservative. \nThey are dumb as fuck. The people leading their party don’t practice religion like they pretend they do, they all have abortions etc. They just get people all excited about this shit even though it doesn’t actually mean shit to them.", ">\n\nThat's missing the point really, and falling into the mode that better suits politicians than it does the citizenry. \nI wouldn't necessarily take what the Republican party does as what all conservatives really, 100% want. It's just the closest to it.\nGet a system that provides more options, ranging from centrist all the way through the MAGA nutjobs and then see who they vote for before making a judgement.\nIf the US is like every other country in the world (and I have seen no reason to think otherwise), there's probably a large central mass of voters who, while on different sides of the political spectrum, probably agree on more things than is evident.\nBut the current political system doesn't accurately portray that. And the media certainly didn't fucking help either.", ">\n\nNeither party will ever let that happen.", ">\n\nThis should be an indicator of how deep the problem goes - it shouldn't be up to the parties. They should be responding to the demands of the people.\nThe FPTP issue is compounded by the US not having mandatory voting. This means parties don't need to consider everyone - a winning strategy can simply be \"be as different to the other team as possible, and create wedge issues that we can throw to our supporters to make them mad enough to vote for us\". They don't have to cater to anyone other than their bases.\nPeople are hung up on the issues that political parties want them to be hung up on. Wedge issues are valid, but in the scheme of things aren't as important as making sure elections are reflective of the actual will of the people.", ">\n\nA perfect example of this is the republicans current fixation: trans issues. Only between 0.5%-1.5% of the US population identify as transgender and yet if you listened to Republicans, you would think this number is considerably higher.", ">\n\nI find it interesting how closely the trump White House was working hand-in-hand with its congressional saboteurs, the House Freedom Caucus, to stage a coup.\nMark Meadows is one the Freedom Caucus' co-founders, Scott Perry is its current Chairman.\nMick Mulvaney, who is yet another co-founder of the Freedom Caucus, and also trump's former Chief of Staff, once said, \"Trump wants to turn Washington upside down – that was his first message and his winning message. We want the exact same thing.\"\nWatch this caucus closely, they are an ongoing threat to democracy, even if trump never returns to the White House. Meanwhile, one of the caucus' other co-founders, Ron DeSantis, has a good chance of picking up where trump and his saboteurs left off.", ">\n\nThey're essentially also the Pro Putin Caucus if you consider how a majority of them have voted against Ukraine aid/other bills having to do with war - and the general parroting of Kremlin talking points.", ">\n\nYes, they are also the pro Putin caucus, or known by their other nick name, the Treason Caucus. Just recently, two members, Boebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky during his congressional address. Many other members did not even attend the speech.", ">\n\n\nBoebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky\n\nAnd Russian media noticed and praised them for it.", ">\n\nNoticed? It was probably their plan", ">\n\nApparently it was over a dozen times the witness saw him burning documents.", ">\n\nI believe she said that he made copies though too.", ">\n\nDo you have a source for that?", ">\n\nI thought I had read a quote in another thread but I think this must be what I saw (Cassidy Hutchinson speaking): “However, I don’t know if they were the first or original copies of anything,” she continued. “It’s entirely possible that he had put things in his fireplace that he also would have put into a burn bag that there were duplicates of or that there was an electronic copy of.”\nSo no, not definitive that he had other copies, but it's possible.\nsource", ">\n\nIt does seem possible that there were copies. Thanks!", ">\n\nI mean if someone typed up something in the 1950s and you burned it, that's it, gone forever. But I find it hard to believe these people were typing out all their secret shit on analog typewriters, they were printing out emails and electronic reports and PDFs. Surely there's got to be copies somewhere.", ">\n\nThey do illegal things because they know they won't be held accountable.", ">\n\nAnd even if we suddenly hold them accountable, we've shown how slow we are to act. If someone wants to really make a run for the coup they will a good idea what their window is... and it's super wide.", ">\n\nIm just so happy don't have to worry about these types of shenanigans from Joe biden", ">\n\nHaven’t you seen the impeach Biden flags? Whatever he did, I shudder to think about. If they won’t say what it is, it must be an unspeakable evil.", ">\n\nThese folks all need to be in jail. For a long, long time.", ">\n\nYou misspelled forever.", ">\n\nNah, it needs to be longer than that", ">\n\nAnd they need a GoT nun to follow them around and intone SHAME every two minutes or so.", ">\n\nYou think that Meadows has come to the realization that he's going to be trump's fall guy? Better start talking.", ">\n\nIt seems like he drank the Koolaid, I bet they'd have to make him talk.", ">\n\nThat's a thought that plagues me. Think of all of the shit that has come out on this administration. Now think of the fact that everything we know is just what's left after they tried very hard to cover the worst of it up.", ">\n\nThere's a legacy for the Trump Admin to add to all the future history books: The administration that was responsible for all of The White House fireplaces being bricked in.", ">\n\nSome day he'll give Michelle Obama a piece of candy and all will be forgiven.", ">\n\nDestruction of evidence should result in an automatic guilty verdict.", ">\n\nNot to be AH, but how can anyone prove that the tinder wasn't doodles of dicks.\nI'm waiting for real evidence that can be introduced into a court. Without that, we have the theory, just not the evidence. Giuliani showed how that works in court.", ">\n\nThere's an archival procedure." ]

[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good.", ">\n\nRepublican leadership likes a guy like this. Meadows was demonstrating some real rat fuck behavior, and that goes along way with this current iteration of the GOP.", ">\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics? The last 6-7 years, the GOP has really leaned into the overt cruelty, corruption, lies, etc. and their voters fucking love it.\nNobody ever gets held accountable and as long as their voters like it, they’ll just get more and more bold. I don’t know how to even fight against this mentality.", ">\n\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics?\n\nYou get a voting system in place that allows people to express their displeasure without having to completely sacrifice their other principles.\nA conservative is still going to vote Republican, not because they think burning documents is best practise, but because they value conservatism. There are no other avenues for them to vote for conservative values in a first-past-the-post system.\nFirst-past-the-post doesn't give a shit about your political opinion, beyond \"these 2 choices\". The People cannot exercise their duty when it's the same two unpunished parties over and over.\nInstead, it will turn the people against each other as the political system becomes calcified into nothing more than an ongoing series of football matches played by the same two teams for eternity.\nThe political class really has the public right where they want them - fighting amongst themselves instead of channelling that energy into demanding and rewarding better governance.", ">\n\nSpoiler… they don’t value conservatism. \nNo conservatives are fucking conservative. \nThey are dumb as fuck. The people leading their party don’t practice religion like they pretend they do, they all have abortions etc. They just get people all excited about this shit even though it doesn’t actually mean shit to them.", ">\n\nThat's missing the point really, and falling into the mode that better suits politicians than it does the citizenry. \nI wouldn't necessarily take what the Republican party does as what all conservatives really, 100% want. It's just the closest to it.\nGet a system that provides more options, ranging from centrist all the way through the MAGA nutjobs and then see who they vote for before making a judgement.\nIf the US is like every other country in the world (and I have seen no reason to think otherwise), there's probably a large central mass of voters who, while on different sides of the political spectrum, probably agree on more things than is evident.\nBut the current political system doesn't accurately portray that. And the media certainly didn't fucking help either.", ">\n\nNeither party will ever let that happen.", ">\n\nThis should be an indicator of how deep the problem goes - it shouldn't be up to the parties. They should be responding to the demands of the people.\nThe FPTP issue is compounded by the US not having mandatory voting. This means parties don't need to consider everyone - a winning strategy can simply be \"be as different to the other team as possible, and create wedge issues that we can throw to our supporters to make them mad enough to vote for us\". They don't have to cater to anyone other than their bases.\nPeople are hung up on the issues that political parties want them to be hung up on. Wedge issues are valid, but in the scheme of things aren't as important as making sure elections are reflective of the actual will of the people.", ">\n\nA perfect example of this is the republicans current fixation: trans issues. Only between 0.5%-1.5% of the US population identify as transgender and yet if you listened to Republicans, you would think this number is considerably higher.", ">\n\nI find it interesting how closely the trump White House was working hand-in-hand with its congressional saboteurs, the House Freedom Caucus, to stage a coup.\nMark Meadows is one the Freedom Caucus' co-founders, Scott Perry is its current Chairman.\nMick Mulvaney, who is yet another co-founder of the Freedom Caucus, and also trump's former Chief of Staff, once said, \"Trump wants to turn Washington upside down – that was his first message and his winning message. We want the exact same thing.\"\nWatch this caucus closely, they are an ongoing threat to democracy, even if trump never returns to the White House. Meanwhile, one of the caucus' other co-founders, Ron DeSantis, has a good chance of picking up where trump and his saboteurs left off.", ">\n\nThey're essentially also the Pro Putin Caucus if you consider how a majority of them have voted against Ukraine aid/other bills having to do with war - and the general parroting of Kremlin talking points.", ">\n\nYes, they are also the pro Putin caucus, or known by their other nick name, the Treason Caucus. Just recently, two members, Boebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky during his congressional address. Many other members did not even attend the speech.", ">\n\n\nBoebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky\n\nAnd Russian media noticed and praised them for it.", ">\n\nNoticed? It was probably their plan", ">\n\nApparently it was over a dozen times the witness saw him burning documents.", ">\n\nI believe she said that he made copies though too.", ">\n\nDo you have a source for that?", ">\n\nI thought I had read a quote in another thread but I think this must be what I saw (Cassidy Hutchinson speaking): “However, I don’t know if they were the first or original copies of anything,” she continued. “It’s entirely possible that he had put things in his fireplace that he also would have put into a burn bag that there were duplicates of or that there was an electronic copy of.”\nSo no, not definitive that he had other copies, but it's possible.\nsource", ">\n\nIt does seem possible that there were copies. Thanks!", ">\n\nI mean if someone typed up something in the 1950s and you burned it, that's it, gone forever. But I find it hard to believe these people were typing out all their secret shit on analog typewriters, they were printing out emails and electronic reports and PDFs. Surely there's got to be copies somewhere.", ">\n\nThey do illegal things because they know they won't be held accountable.", ">\n\nAnd even if we suddenly hold them accountable, we've shown how slow we are to act. If someone wants to really make a run for the coup they will a good idea what their window is... and it's super wide.", ">\n\nIm just so happy don't have to worry about these types of shenanigans from Joe biden", ">\n\nHaven’t you seen the impeach Biden flags? Whatever he did, I shudder to think about. If they won’t say what it is, it must be an unspeakable evil.", ">\n\nThese folks all need to be in jail. For a long, long time.", ">\n\nYou misspelled forever.", ">\n\nNah, it needs to be longer than that", ">\n\nAnd they need a GoT nun to follow them around and intone SHAME every two minutes or so.", ">\n\nYou think that Meadows has come to the realization that he's going to be trump's fall guy? Better start talking.", ">\n\nIt seems like he drank the Koolaid, I bet they'd have to make him talk.", ">\n\nThat's a thought that plagues me. Think of all of the shit that has come out on this administration. Now think of the fact that everything we know is just what's left after they tried very hard to cover the worst of it up.", ">\n\nThere's a legacy for the Trump Admin to add to all the future history books: The administration that was responsible for all of The White House fireplaces being bricked in.", ">\n\nSome day he'll give Michelle Obama a piece of candy and all will be forgiven.", ">\n\nDestruction of evidence should result in an automatic guilty verdict.", ">\n\nNot to be AH, but how can anyone prove that the tinder wasn't doodles of dicks.\nI'm waiting for real evidence that can be introduced into a court. Without that, we have the theory, just not the evidence. Giuliani showed how that works in court.", ">\n\nThere's an archival procedure.", ">\n\nBy the testimony that I read, Meadows apparently took the meeting notes, then destroyed them prior to archival. If someone else took the notes, they are possibly recoverable. I still would see this as an unwinnable, he said - she said." ]

[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good.", ">\n\nRepublican leadership likes a guy like this. Meadows was demonstrating some real rat fuck behavior, and that goes along way with this current iteration of the GOP.", ">\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics? The last 6-7 years, the GOP has really leaned into the overt cruelty, corruption, lies, etc. and their voters fucking love it.\nNobody ever gets held accountable and as long as their voters like it, they’ll just get more and more bold. I don’t know how to even fight against this mentality.", ">\n\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics?\n\nYou get a voting system in place that allows people to express their displeasure without having to completely sacrifice their other principles.\nA conservative is still going to vote Republican, not because they think burning documents is best practise, but because they value conservatism. There are no other avenues for them to vote for conservative values in a first-past-the-post system.\nFirst-past-the-post doesn't give a shit about your political opinion, beyond \"these 2 choices\". The People cannot exercise their duty when it's the same two unpunished parties over and over.\nInstead, it will turn the people against each other as the political system becomes calcified into nothing more than an ongoing series of football matches played by the same two teams for eternity.\nThe political class really has the public right where they want them - fighting amongst themselves instead of channelling that energy into demanding and rewarding better governance.", ">\n\nSpoiler… they don’t value conservatism. \nNo conservatives are fucking conservative. \nThey are dumb as fuck. The people leading their party don’t practice religion like they pretend they do, they all have abortions etc. They just get people all excited about this shit even though it doesn’t actually mean shit to them.", ">\n\nThat's missing the point really, and falling into the mode that better suits politicians than it does the citizenry. \nI wouldn't necessarily take what the Republican party does as what all conservatives really, 100% want. It's just the closest to it.\nGet a system that provides more options, ranging from centrist all the way through the MAGA nutjobs and then see who they vote for before making a judgement.\nIf the US is like every other country in the world (and I have seen no reason to think otherwise), there's probably a large central mass of voters who, while on different sides of the political spectrum, probably agree on more things than is evident.\nBut the current political system doesn't accurately portray that. And the media certainly didn't fucking help either.", ">\n\nNeither party will ever let that happen.", ">\n\nThis should be an indicator of how deep the problem goes - it shouldn't be up to the parties. They should be responding to the demands of the people.\nThe FPTP issue is compounded by the US not having mandatory voting. This means parties don't need to consider everyone - a winning strategy can simply be \"be as different to the other team as possible, and create wedge issues that we can throw to our supporters to make them mad enough to vote for us\". They don't have to cater to anyone other than their bases.\nPeople are hung up on the issues that political parties want them to be hung up on. Wedge issues are valid, but in the scheme of things aren't as important as making sure elections are reflective of the actual will of the people.", ">\n\nA perfect example of this is the republicans current fixation: trans issues. Only between 0.5%-1.5% of the US population identify as transgender and yet if you listened to Republicans, you would think this number is considerably higher.", ">\n\nI find it interesting how closely the trump White House was working hand-in-hand with its congressional saboteurs, the House Freedom Caucus, to stage a coup.\nMark Meadows is one the Freedom Caucus' co-founders, Scott Perry is its current Chairman.\nMick Mulvaney, who is yet another co-founder of the Freedom Caucus, and also trump's former Chief of Staff, once said, \"Trump wants to turn Washington upside down – that was his first message and his winning message. We want the exact same thing.\"\nWatch this caucus closely, they are an ongoing threat to democracy, even if trump never returns to the White House. Meanwhile, one of the caucus' other co-founders, Ron DeSantis, has a good chance of picking up where trump and his saboteurs left off.", ">\n\nThey're essentially also the Pro Putin Caucus if you consider how a majority of them have voted against Ukraine aid/other bills having to do with war - and the general parroting of Kremlin talking points.", ">\n\nYes, they are also the pro Putin caucus, or known by their other nick name, the Treason Caucus. Just recently, two members, Boebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky during his congressional address. Many other members did not even attend the speech.", ">\n\n\nBoebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky\n\nAnd Russian media noticed and praised them for it.", ">\n\nNoticed? It was probably their plan", ">\n\nApparently it was over a dozen times the witness saw him burning documents.", ">\n\nI believe she said that he made copies though too.", ">\n\nDo you have a source for that?", ">\n\nI thought I had read a quote in another thread but I think this must be what I saw (Cassidy Hutchinson speaking): “However, I don’t know if they were the first or original copies of anything,” she continued. “It’s entirely possible that he had put things in his fireplace that he also would have put into a burn bag that there were duplicates of or that there was an electronic copy of.”\nSo no, not definitive that he had other copies, but it's possible.\nsource", ">\n\nIt does seem possible that there were copies. Thanks!", ">\n\nI mean if someone typed up something in the 1950s and you burned it, that's it, gone forever. But I find it hard to believe these people were typing out all their secret shit on analog typewriters, they were printing out emails and electronic reports and PDFs. Surely there's got to be copies somewhere.", ">\n\nThey do illegal things because they know they won't be held accountable.", ">\n\nAnd even if we suddenly hold them accountable, we've shown how slow we are to act. If someone wants to really make a run for the coup they will a good idea what their window is... and it's super wide.", ">\n\nIm just so happy don't have to worry about these types of shenanigans from Joe biden", ">\n\nHaven’t you seen the impeach Biden flags? Whatever he did, I shudder to think about. If they won’t say what it is, it must be an unspeakable evil.", ">\n\nThese folks all need to be in jail. For a long, long time.", ">\n\nYou misspelled forever.", ">\n\nNah, it needs to be longer than that", ">\n\nAnd they need a GoT nun to follow them around and intone SHAME every two minutes or so.", ">\n\nYou think that Meadows has come to the realization that he's going to be trump's fall guy? Better start talking.", ">\n\nIt seems like he drank the Koolaid, I bet they'd have to make him talk.", ">\n\nThat's a thought that plagues me. Think of all of the shit that has come out on this administration. Now think of the fact that everything we know is just what's left after they tried very hard to cover the worst of it up.", ">\n\nThere's a legacy for the Trump Admin to add to all the future history books: The administration that was responsible for all of The White House fireplaces being bricked in.", ">\n\nSome day he'll give Michelle Obama a piece of candy and all will be forgiven.", ">\n\nDestruction of evidence should result in an automatic guilty verdict.", ">\n\nNot to be AH, but how can anyone prove that the tinder wasn't doodles of dicks.\nI'm waiting for real evidence that can be introduced into a court. Without that, we have the theory, just not the evidence. Giuliani showed how that works in court.", ">\n\nThere's an archival procedure.", ">\n\nBy the testimony that I read, Meadows apparently took the meeting notes, then destroyed them prior to archival. If someone else took the notes, they are possibly recoverable. I still would see this as an unwinnable, he said - she said.", ">\n\nWhen the party of law and order prove they’re not." ]

[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good.", ">\n\nRepublican leadership likes a guy like this. Meadows was demonstrating some real rat fuck behavior, and that goes along way with this current iteration of the GOP.", ">\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics? The last 6-7 years, the GOP has really leaned into the overt cruelty, corruption, lies, etc. and their voters fucking love it.\nNobody ever gets held accountable and as long as their voters like it, they’ll just get more and more bold. I don’t know how to even fight against this mentality.", ">\n\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics?\n\nYou get a voting system in place that allows people to express their displeasure without having to completely sacrifice their other principles.\nA conservative is still going to vote Republican, not because they think burning documents is best practise, but because they value conservatism. There are no other avenues for them to vote for conservative values in a first-past-the-post system.\nFirst-past-the-post doesn't give a shit about your political opinion, beyond \"these 2 choices\". The People cannot exercise their duty when it's the same two unpunished parties over and over.\nInstead, it will turn the people against each other as the political system becomes calcified into nothing more than an ongoing series of football matches played by the same two teams for eternity.\nThe political class really has the public right where they want them - fighting amongst themselves instead of channelling that energy into demanding and rewarding better governance.", ">\n\nSpoiler… they don’t value conservatism. \nNo conservatives are fucking conservative. \nThey are dumb as fuck. The people leading their party don’t practice religion like they pretend they do, they all have abortions etc. They just get people all excited about this shit even though it doesn’t actually mean shit to them.", ">\n\nThat's missing the point really, and falling into the mode that better suits politicians than it does the citizenry. \nI wouldn't necessarily take what the Republican party does as what all conservatives really, 100% want. It's just the closest to it.\nGet a system that provides more options, ranging from centrist all the way through the MAGA nutjobs and then see who they vote for before making a judgement.\nIf the US is like every other country in the world (and I have seen no reason to think otherwise), there's probably a large central mass of voters who, while on different sides of the political spectrum, probably agree on more things than is evident.\nBut the current political system doesn't accurately portray that. And the media certainly didn't fucking help either.", ">\n\nNeither party will ever let that happen.", ">\n\nThis should be an indicator of how deep the problem goes - it shouldn't be up to the parties. They should be responding to the demands of the people.\nThe FPTP issue is compounded by the US not having mandatory voting. This means parties don't need to consider everyone - a winning strategy can simply be \"be as different to the other team as possible, and create wedge issues that we can throw to our supporters to make them mad enough to vote for us\". They don't have to cater to anyone other than their bases.\nPeople are hung up on the issues that political parties want them to be hung up on. Wedge issues are valid, but in the scheme of things aren't as important as making sure elections are reflective of the actual will of the people.", ">\n\nA perfect example of this is the republicans current fixation: trans issues. Only between 0.5%-1.5% of the US population identify as transgender and yet if you listened to Republicans, you would think this number is considerably higher.", ">\n\nI find it interesting how closely the trump White House was working hand-in-hand with its congressional saboteurs, the House Freedom Caucus, to stage a coup.\nMark Meadows is one the Freedom Caucus' co-founders, Scott Perry is its current Chairman.\nMick Mulvaney, who is yet another co-founder of the Freedom Caucus, and also trump's former Chief of Staff, once said, \"Trump wants to turn Washington upside down – that was his first message and his winning message. We want the exact same thing.\"\nWatch this caucus closely, they are an ongoing threat to democracy, even if trump never returns to the White House. Meanwhile, one of the caucus' other co-founders, Ron DeSantis, has a good chance of picking up where trump and his saboteurs left off.", ">\n\nThey're essentially also the Pro Putin Caucus if you consider how a majority of them have voted against Ukraine aid/other bills having to do with war - and the general parroting of Kremlin talking points.", ">\n\nYes, they are also the pro Putin caucus, or known by their other nick name, the Treason Caucus. Just recently, two members, Boebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky during his congressional address. Many other members did not even attend the speech.", ">\n\n\nBoebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky\n\nAnd Russian media noticed and praised them for it.", ">\n\nNoticed? It was probably their plan", ">\n\nApparently it was over a dozen times the witness saw him burning documents.", ">\n\nI believe she said that he made copies though too.", ">\n\nDo you have a source for that?", ">\n\nI thought I had read a quote in another thread but I think this must be what I saw (Cassidy Hutchinson speaking): “However, I don’t know if they were the first or original copies of anything,” she continued. “It’s entirely possible that he had put things in his fireplace that he also would have put into a burn bag that there were duplicates of or that there was an electronic copy of.”\nSo no, not definitive that he had other copies, but it's possible.\nsource", ">\n\nIt does seem possible that there were copies. Thanks!", ">\n\nI mean if someone typed up something in the 1950s and you burned it, that's it, gone forever. But I find it hard to believe these people were typing out all their secret shit on analog typewriters, they were printing out emails and electronic reports and PDFs. Surely there's got to be copies somewhere.", ">\n\nThey do illegal things because they know they won't be held accountable.", ">\n\nAnd even if we suddenly hold them accountable, we've shown how slow we are to act. If someone wants to really make a run for the coup they will a good idea what their window is... and it's super wide.", ">\n\nIm just so happy don't have to worry about these types of shenanigans from Joe biden", ">\n\nHaven’t you seen the impeach Biden flags? Whatever he did, I shudder to think about. If they won’t say what it is, it must be an unspeakable evil.", ">\n\nThese folks all need to be in jail. For a long, long time.", ">\n\nYou misspelled forever.", ">\n\nNah, it needs to be longer than that", ">\n\nAnd they need a GoT nun to follow them around and intone SHAME every two minutes or so.", ">\n\nYou think that Meadows has come to the realization that he's going to be trump's fall guy? Better start talking.", ">\n\nIt seems like he drank the Koolaid, I bet they'd have to make him talk.", ">\n\nThat's a thought that plagues me. Think of all of the shit that has come out on this administration. Now think of the fact that everything we know is just what's left after they tried very hard to cover the worst of it up.", ">\n\nThere's a legacy for the Trump Admin to add to all the future history books: The administration that was responsible for all of The White House fireplaces being bricked in.", ">\n\nSome day he'll give Michelle Obama a piece of candy and all will be forgiven.", ">\n\nDestruction of evidence should result in an automatic guilty verdict.", ">\n\nNot to be AH, but how can anyone prove that the tinder wasn't doodles of dicks.\nI'm waiting for real evidence that can be introduced into a court. Without that, we have the theory, just not the evidence. Giuliani showed how that works in court.", ">\n\nThere's an archival procedure.", ">\n\nBy the testimony that I read, Meadows apparently took the meeting notes, then destroyed them prior to archival. If someone else took the notes, they are possibly recoverable. I still would see this as an unwinnable, he said - she said.", ">\n\nWhen the party of law and order prove they’re not.", ">\n\nWhat does Mark Meadows have to say about this? Has he issued a statement? Maybe he’s only Arsonist-ish to quote a newly-elected Republican." ]

[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good.", ">\n\nRepublican leadership likes a guy like this. Meadows was demonstrating some real rat fuck behavior, and that goes along way with this current iteration of the GOP.", ">\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics? The last 6-7 years, the GOP has really leaned into the overt cruelty, corruption, lies, etc. and their voters fucking love it.\nNobody ever gets held accountable and as long as their voters like it, they’ll just get more and more bold. I don’t know how to even fight against this mentality.", ">\n\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics?\n\nYou get a voting system in place that allows people to express their displeasure without having to completely sacrifice their other principles.\nA conservative is still going to vote Republican, not because they think burning documents is best practise, but because they value conservatism. There are no other avenues for them to vote for conservative values in a first-past-the-post system.\nFirst-past-the-post doesn't give a shit about your political opinion, beyond \"these 2 choices\". The People cannot exercise their duty when it's the same two unpunished parties over and over.\nInstead, it will turn the people against each other as the political system becomes calcified into nothing more than an ongoing series of football matches played by the same two teams for eternity.\nThe political class really has the public right where they want them - fighting amongst themselves instead of channelling that energy into demanding and rewarding better governance.", ">\n\nSpoiler… they don’t value conservatism. \nNo conservatives are fucking conservative. \nThey are dumb as fuck. The people leading their party don’t practice religion like they pretend they do, they all have abortions etc. They just get people all excited about this shit even though it doesn’t actually mean shit to them.", ">\n\nThat's missing the point really, and falling into the mode that better suits politicians than it does the citizenry. \nI wouldn't necessarily take what the Republican party does as what all conservatives really, 100% want. It's just the closest to it.\nGet a system that provides more options, ranging from centrist all the way through the MAGA nutjobs and then see who they vote for before making a judgement.\nIf the US is like every other country in the world (and I have seen no reason to think otherwise), there's probably a large central mass of voters who, while on different sides of the political spectrum, probably agree on more things than is evident.\nBut the current political system doesn't accurately portray that. And the media certainly didn't fucking help either.", ">\n\nNeither party will ever let that happen.", ">\n\nThis should be an indicator of how deep the problem goes - it shouldn't be up to the parties. They should be responding to the demands of the people.\nThe FPTP issue is compounded by the US not having mandatory voting. This means parties don't need to consider everyone - a winning strategy can simply be \"be as different to the other team as possible, and create wedge issues that we can throw to our supporters to make them mad enough to vote for us\". They don't have to cater to anyone other than their bases.\nPeople are hung up on the issues that political parties want them to be hung up on. Wedge issues are valid, but in the scheme of things aren't as important as making sure elections are reflective of the actual will of the people.", ">\n\nA perfect example of this is the republicans current fixation: trans issues. Only between 0.5%-1.5% of the US population identify as transgender and yet if you listened to Republicans, you would think this number is considerably higher.", ">\n\nI find it interesting how closely the trump White House was working hand-in-hand with its congressional saboteurs, the House Freedom Caucus, to stage a coup.\nMark Meadows is one the Freedom Caucus' co-founders, Scott Perry is its current Chairman.\nMick Mulvaney, who is yet another co-founder of the Freedom Caucus, and also trump's former Chief of Staff, once said, \"Trump wants to turn Washington upside down – that was his first message and his winning message. We want the exact same thing.\"\nWatch this caucus closely, they are an ongoing threat to democracy, even if trump never returns to the White House. Meanwhile, one of the caucus' other co-founders, Ron DeSantis, has a good chance of picking up where trump and his saboteurs left off.", ">\n\nThey're essentially also the Pro Putin Caucus if you consider how a majority of them have voted against Ukraine aid/other bills having to do with war - and the general parroting of Kremlin talking points.", ">\n\nYes, they are also the pro Putin caucus, or known by their other nick name, the Treason Caucus. Just recently, two members, Boebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky during his congressional address. Many other members did not even attend the speech.", ">\n\n\nBoebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky\n\nAnd Russian media noticed and praised them for it.", ">\n\nNoticed? It was probably their plan", ">\n\nApparently it was over a dozen times the witness saw him burning documents.", ">\n\nI believe she said that he made copies though too.", ">\n\nDo you have a source for that?", ">\n\nI thought I had read a quote in another thread but I think this must be what I saw (Cassidy Hutchinson speaking): “However, I don’t know if they were the first or original copies of anything,” she continued. “It’s entirely possible that he had put things in his fireplace that he also would have put into a burn bag that there were duplicates of or that there was an electronic copy of.”\nSo no, not definitive that he had other copies, but it's possible.\nsource", ">\n\nIt does seem possible that there were copies. Thanks!", ">\n\nI mean if someone typed up something in the 1950s and you burned it, that's it, gone forever. But I find it hard to believe these people were typing out all their secret shit on analog typewriters, they were printing out emails and electronic reports and PDFs. Surely there's got to be copies somewhere.", ">\n\nThey do illegal things because they know they won't be held accountable.", ">\n\nAnd even if we suddenly hold them accountable, we've shown how slow we are to act. If someone wants to really make a run for the coup they will a good idea what their window is... and it's super wide.", ">\n\nIm just so happy don't have to worry about these types of shenanigans from Joe biden", ">\n\nHaven’t you seen the impeach Biden flags? Whatever he did, I shudder to think about. If they won’t say what it is, it must be an unspeakable evil.", ">\n\nThese folks all need to be in jail. For a long, long time.", ">\n\nYou misspelled forever.", ">\n\nNah, it needs to be longer than that", ">\n\nAnd they need a GoT nun to follow them around and intone SHAME every two minutes or so.", ">\n\nYou think that Meadows has come to the realization that he's going to be trump's fall guy? Better start talking.", ">\n\nIt seems like he drank the Koolaid, I bet they'd have to make him talk.", ">\n\nThat's a thought that plagues me. Think of all of the shit that has come out on this administration. Now think of the fact that everything we know is just what's left after they tried very hard to cover the worst of it up.", ">\n\nThere's a legacy for the Trump Admin to add to all the future history books: The administration that was responsible for all of The White House fireplaces being bricked in.", ">\n\nSome day he'll give Michelle Obama a piece of candy and all will be forgiven.", ">\n\nDestruction of evidence should result in an automatic guilty verdict.", ">\n\nNot to be AH, but how can anyone prove that the tinder wasn't doodles of dicks.\nI'm waiting for real evidence that can be introduced into a court. Without that, we have the theory, just not the evidence. Giuliani showed how that works in court.", ">\n\nThere's an archival procedure.", ">\n\nBy the testimony that I read, Meadows apparently took the meeting notes, then destroyed them prior to archival. If someone else took the notes, they are possibly recoverable. I still would see this as an unwinnable, he said - she said.", ">\n\nWhen the party of law and order prove they’re not.", ">\n\nWhat does Mark Meadows have to say about this? Has he issued a statement? Maybe he’s only Arsonist-ish to quote a newly-elected Republican.", ">\n\nHe drafted a statement, then hurriedly shoved it in his arson hole while avoiding all eye contact." ]

[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good.", ">\n\nRepublican leadership likes a guy like this. Meadows was demonstrating some real rat fuck behavior, and that goes along way with this current iteration of the GOP.", ">\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics? The last 6-7 years, the GOP has really leaned into the overt cruelty, corruption, lies, etc. and their voters fucking love it.\nNobody ever gets held accountable and as long as their voters like it, they’ll just get more and more bold. I don’t know how to even fight against this mentality.", ">\n\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics?\n\nYou get a voting system in place that allows people to express their displeasure without having to completely sacrifice their other principles.\nA conservative is still going to vote Republican, not because they think burning documents is best practise, but because they value conservatism. There are no other avenues for them to vote for conservative values in a first-past-the-post system.\nFirst-past-the-post doesn't give a shit about your political opinion, beyond \"these 2 choices\". The People cannot exercise their duty when it's the same two unpunished parties over and over.\nInstead, it will turn the people against each other as the political system becomes calcified into nothing more than an ongoing series of football matches played by the same two teams for eternity.\nThe political class really has the public right where they want them - fighting amongst themselves instead of channelling that energy into demanding and rewarding better governance.", ">\n\nSpoiler… they don’t value conservatism. \nNo conservatives are fucking conservative. \nThey are dumb as fuck. The people leading their party don’t practice religion like they pretend they do, they all have abortions etc. They just get people all excited about this shit even though it doesn’t actually mean shit to them.", ">\n\nThat's missing the point really, and falling into the mode that better suits politicians than it does the citizenry. \nI wouldn't necessarily take what the Republican party does as what all conservatives really, 100% want. It's just the closest to it.\nGet a system that provides more options, ranging from centrist all the way through the MAGA nutjobs and then see who they vote for before making a judgement.\nIf the US is like every other country in the world (and I have seen no reason to think otherwise), there's probably a large central mass of voters who, while on different sides of the political spectrum, probably agree on more things than is evident.\nBut the current political system doesn't accurately portray that. And the media certainly didn't fucking help either.", ">\n\nNeither party will ever let that happen.", ">\n\nThis should be an indicator of how deep the problem goes - it shouldn't be up to the parties. They should be responding to the demands of the people.\nThe FPTP issue is compounded by the US not having mandatory voting. This means parties don't need to consider everyone - a winning strategy can simply be \"be as different to the other team as possible, and create wedge issues that we can throw to our supporters to make them mad enough to vote for us\". They don't have to cater to anyone other than their bases.\nPeople are hung up on the issues that political parties want them to be hung up on. Wedge issues are valid, but in the scheme of things aren't as important as making sure elections are reflective of the actual will of the people.", ">\n\nA perfect example of this is the republicans current fixation: trans issues. Only between 0.5%-1.5% of the US population identify as transgender and yet if you listened to Republicans, you would think this number is considerably higher.", ">\n\nI find it interesting how closely the trump White House was working hand-in-hand with its congressional saboteurs, the House Freedom Caucus, to stage a coup.\nMark Meadows is one the Freedom Caucus' co-founders, Scott Perry is its current Chairman.\nMick Mulvaney, who is yet another co-founder of the Freedom Caucus, and also trump's former Chief of Staff, once said, \"Trump wants to turn Washington upside down – that was his first message and his winning message. We want the exact same thing.\"\nWatch this caucus closely, they are an ongoing threat to democracy, even if trump never returns to the White House. Meanwhile, one of the caucus' other co-founders, Ron DeSantis, has a good chance of picking up where trump and his saboteurs left off.", ">\n\nThey're essentially also the Pro Putin Caucus if you consider how a majority of them have voted against Ukraine aid/other bills having to do with war - and the general parroting of Kremlin talking points.", ">\n\nYes, they are also the pro Putin caucus, or known by their other nick name, the Treason Caucus. Just recently, two members, Boebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky during his congressional address. Many other members did not even attend the speech.", ">\n\n\nBoebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky\n\nAnd Russian media noticed and praised them for it.", ">\n\nNoticed? It was probably their plan", ">\n\nApparently it was over a dozen times the witness saw him burning documents.", ">\n\nI believe she said that he made copies though too.", ">\n\nDo you have a source for that?", ">\n\nI thought I had read a quote in another thread but I think this must be what I saw (Cassidy Hutchinson speaking): “However, I don’t know if they were the first or original copies of anything,” she continued. “It’s entirely possible that he had put things in his fireplace that he also would have put into a burn bag that there were duplicates of or that there was an electronic copy of.”\nSo no, not definitive that he had other copies, but it's possible.\nsource", ">\n\nIt does seem possible that there were copies. Thanks!", ">\n\nI mean if someone typed up something in the 1950s and you burned it, that's it, gone forever. But I find it hard to believe these people were typing out all their secret shit on analog typewriters, they were printing out emails and electronic reports and PDFs. Surely there's got to be copies somewhere.", ">\n\nThey do illegal things because they know they won't be held accountable.", ">\n\nAnd even if we suddenly hold them accountable, we've shown how slow we are to act. If someone wants to really make a run for the coup they will a good idea what their window is... and it's super wide.", ">\n\nIm just so happy don't have to worry about these types of shenanigans from Joe biden", ">\n\nHaven’t you seen the impeach Biden flags? Whatever he did, I shudder to think about. If they won’t say what it is, it must be an unspeakable evil.", ">\n\nThese folks all need to be in jail. For a long, long time.", ">\n\nYou misspelled forever.", ">\n\nNah, it needs to be longer than that", ">\n\nAnd they need a GoT nun to follow them around and intone SHAME every two minutes or so.", ">\n\nYou think that Meadows has come to the realization that he's going to be trump's fall guy? Better start talking.", ">\n\nIt seems like he drank the Koolaid, I bet they'd have to make him talk.", ">\n\nThat's a thought that plagues me. Think of all of the shit that has come out on this administration. Now think of the fact that everything we know is just what's left after they tried very hard to cover the worst of it up.", ">\n\nThere's a legacy for the Trump Admin to add to all the future history books: The administration that was responsible for all of The White House fireplaces being bricked in.", ">\n\nSome day he'll give Michelle Obama a piece of candy and all will be forgiven.", ">\n\nDestruction of evidence should result in an automatic guilty verdict.", ">\n\nNot to be AH, but how can anyone prove that the tinder wasn't doodles of dicks.\nI'm waiting for real evidence that can be introduced into a court. Without that, we have the theory, just not the evidence. Giuliani showed how that works in court.", ">\n\nThere's an archival procedure.", ">\n\nBy the testimony that I read, Meadows apparently took the meeting notes, then destroyed them prior to archival. If someone else took the notes, they are possibly recoverable. I still would see this as an unwinnable, he said - she said.", ">\n\nWhen the party of law and order prove they’re not.", ">\n\nWhat does Mark Meadows have to say about this? Has he issued a statement? Maybe he’s only Arsonist-ish to quote a newly-elected Republican.", ">\n\nHe drafted a statement, then hurriedly shoved it in his arson hole while avoiding all eye contact.", ">\n\nSomething about him avoiding eye-contact and staring at his phone during the attack makes me think that this guy is the sort who will cut a deal to save himself. I’m not saying that it’s cowardice. It’s cowardly behavior but its his lack of values for anything beyond self-interest that will compel him to cut a deal. What reason does he have to do otherwise?" ]

[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good.", ">\n\nRepublican leadership likes a guy like this. Meadows was demonstrating some real rat fuck behavior, and that goes along way with this current iteration of the GOP.", ">\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics? The last 6-7 years, the GOP has really leaned into the overt cruelty, corruption, lies, etc. and their voters fucking love it.\nNobody ever gets held accountable and as long as their voters like it, they’ll just get more and more bold. I don’t know how to even fight against this mentality.", ">\n\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics?\n\nYou get a voting system in place that allows people to express their displeasure without having to completely sacrifice their other principles.\nA conservative is still going to vote Republican, not because they think burning documents is best practise, but because they value conservatism. There are no other avenues for them to vote for conservative values in a first-past-the-post system.\nFirst-past-the-post doesn't give a shit about your political opinion, beyond \"these 2 choices\". The People cannot exercise their duty when it's the same two unpunished parties over and over.\nInstead, it will turn the people against each other as the political system becomes calcified into nothing more than an ongoing series of football matches played by the same two teams for eternity.\nThe political class really has the public right where they want them - fighting amongst themselves instead of channelling that energy into demanding and rewarding better governance.", ">\n\nSpoiler… they don’t value conservatism. \nNo conservatives are fucking conservative. \nThey are dumb as fuck. The people leading their party don’t practice religion like they pretend they do, they all have abortions etc. They just get people all excited about this shit even though it doesn’t actually mean shit to them.", ">\n\nThat's missing the point really, and falling into the mode that better suits politicians than it does the citizenry. \nI wouldn't necessarily take what the Republican party does as what all conservatives really, 100% want. It's just the closest to it.\nGet a system that provides more options, ranging from centrist all the way through the MAGA nutjobs and then see who they vote for before making a judgement.\nIf the US is like every other country in the world (and I have seen no reason to think otherwise), there's probably a large central mass of voters who, while on different sides of the political spectrum, probably agree on more things than is evident.\nBut the current political system doesn't accurately portray that. And the media certainly didn't fucking help either.", ">\n\nNeither party will ever let that happen.", ">\n\nThis should be an indicator of how deep the problem goes - it shouldn't be up to the parties. They should be responding to the demands of the people.\nThe FPTP issue is compounded by the US not having mandatory voting. This means parties don't need to consider everyone - a winning strategy can simply be \"be as different to the other team as possible, and create wedge issues that we can throw to our supporters to make them mad enough to vote for us\". They don't have to cater to anyone other than their bases.\nPeople are hung up on the issues that political parties want them to be hung up on. Wedge issues are valid, but in the scheme of things aren't as important as making sure elections are reflective of the actual will of the people.", ">\n\nA perfect example of this is the republicans current fixation: trans issues. Only between 0.5%-1.5% of the US population identify as transgender and yet if you listened to Republicans, you would think this number is considerably higher.", ">\n\nI find it interesting how closely the trump White House was working hand-in-hand with its congressional saboteurs, the House Freedom Caucus, to stage a coup.\nMark Meadows is one the Freedom Caucus' co-founders, Scott Perry is its current Chairman.\nMick Mulvaney, who is yet another co-founder of the Freedom Caucus, and also trump's former Chief of Staff, once said, \"Trump wants to turn Washington upside down – that was his first message and his winning message. We want the exact same thing.\"\nWatch this caucus closely, they are an ongoing threat to democracy, even if trump never returns to the White House. Meanwhile, one of the caucus' other co-founders, Ron DeSantis, has a good chance of picking up where trump and his saboteurs left off.", ">\n\nThey're essentially also the Pro Putin Caucus if you consider how a majority of them have voted against Ukraine aid/other bills having to do with war - and the general parroting of Kremlin talking points.", ">\n\nYes, they are also the pro Putin caucus, or known by their other nick name, the Treason Caucus. Just recently, two members, Boebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky during his congressional address. Many other members did not even attend the speech.", ">\n\n\nBoebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky\n\nAnd Russian media noticed and praised them for it.", ">\n\nNoticed? It was probably their plan", ">\n\nApparently it was over a dozen times the witness saw him burning documents.", ">\n\nI believe she said that he made copies though too.", ">\n\nDo you have a source for that?", ">\n\nI thought I had read a quote in another thread but I think this must be what I saw (Cassidy Hutchinson speaking): “However, I don’t know if they were the first or original copies of anything,” she continued. “It’s entirely possible that he had put things in his fireplace that he also would have put into a burn bag that there were duplicates of or that there was an electronic copy of.”\nSo no, not definitive that he had other copies, but it's possible.\nsource", ">\n\nIt does seem possible that there were copies. Thanks!", ">\n\nI mean if someone typed up something in the 1950s and you burned it, that's it, gone forever. But I find it hard to believe these people were typing out all their secret shit on analog typewriters, they were printing out emails and electronic reports and PDFs. Surely there's got to be copies somewhere.", ">\n\nThey do illegal things because they know they won't be held accountable.", ">\n\nAnd even if we suddenly hold them accountable, we've shown how slow we are to act. If someone wants to really make a run for the coup they will a good idea what their window is... and it's super wide.", ">\n\nIm just so happy don't have to worry about these types of shenanigans from Joe biden", ">\n\nHaven’t you seen the impeach Biden flags? Whatever he did, I shudder to think about. If they won’t say what it is, it must be an unspeakable evil.", ">\n\nThese folks all need to be in jail. For a long, long time.", ">\n\nYou misspelled forever.", ">\n\nNah, it needs to be longer than that", ">\n\nAnd they need a GoT nun to follow them around and intone SHAME every two minutes or so.", ">\n\nYou think that Meadows has come to the realization that he's going to be trump's fall guy? Better start talking.", ">\n\nIt seems like he drank the Koolaid, I bet they'd have to make him talk.", ">\n\nThat's a thought that plagues me. Think of all of the shit that has come out on this administration. Now think of the fact that everything we know is just what's left after they tried very hard to cover the worst of it up.", ">\n\nThere's a legacy for the Trump Admin to add to all the future history books: The administration that was responsible for all of The White House fireplaces being bricked in.", ">\n\nSome day he'll give Michelle Obama a piece of candy and all will be forgiven.", ">\n\nDestruction of evidence should result in an automatic guilty verdict.", ">\n\nNot to be AH, but how can anyone prove that the tinder wasn't doodles of dicks.\nI'm waiting for real evidence that can be introduced into a court. Without that, we have the theory, just not the evidence. Giuliani showed how that works in court.", ">\n\nThere's an archival procedure.", ">\n\nBy the testimony that I read, Meadows apparently took the meeting notes, then destroyed them prior to archival. If someone else took the notes, they are possibly recoverable. I still would see this as an unwinnable, he said - she said.", ">\n\nWhen the party of law and order prove they’re not.", ">\n\nWhat does Mark Meadows have to say about this? Has he issued a statement? Maybe he’s only Arsonist-ish to quote a newly-elected Republican.", ">\n\nHe drafted a statement, then hurriedly shoved it in his arson hole while avoiding all eye contact.", ">\n\nSomething about him avoiding eye-contact and staring at his phone during the attack makes me think that this guy is the sort who will cut a deal to save himself. I’m not saying that it’s cowardice. It’s cowardly behavior but its his lack of values for anything beyond self-interest that will compel him to cut a deal. What reason does he have to do otherwise?", ">\n\nConservative Americans actually support this behavior in the 21st Century but in the 'good old days' this wouldn't fly. \nThey think that treating politics like a reality show will make America as \"great\" as it was in the 50s." ]

[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good.", ">\n\nRepublican leadership likes a guy like this. Meadows was demonstrating some real rat fuck behavior, and that goes along way with this current iteration of the GOP.", ">\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics? The last 6-7 years, the GOP has really leaned into the overt cruelty, corruption, lies, etc. and their voters fucking love it.\nNobody ever gets held accountable and as long as their voters like it, they’ll just get more and more bold. I don’t know how to even fight against this mentality.", ">\n\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics?\n\nYou get a voting system in place that allows people to express their displeasure without having to completely sacrifice their other principles.\nA conservative is still going to vote Republican, not because they think burning documents is best practise, but because they value conservatism. There are no other avenues for them to vote for conservative values in a first-past-the-post system.\nFirst-past-the-post doesn't give a shit about your political opinion, beyond \"these 2 choices\". The People cannot exercise their duty when it's the same two unpunished parties over and over.\nInstead, it will turn the people against each other as the political system becomes calcified into nothing more than an ongoing series of football matches played by the same two teams for eternity.\nThe political class really has the public right where they want them - fighting amongst themselves instead of channelling that energy into demanding and rewarding better governance.", ">\n\nSpoiler… they don’t value conservatism. \nNo conservatives are fucking conservative. \nThey are dumb as fuck. The people leading their party don’t practice religion like they pretend they do, they all have abortions etc. They just get people all excited about this shit even though it doesn’t actually mean shit to them.", ">\n\nThat's missing the point really, and falling into the mode that better suits politicians than it does the citizenry. \nI wouldn't necessarily take what the Republican party does as what all conservatives really, 100% want. It's just the closest to it.\nGet a system that provides more options, ranging from centrist all the way through the MAGA nutjobs and then see who they vote for before making a judgement.\nIf the US is like every other country in the world (and I have seen no reason to think otherwise), there's probably a large central mass of voters who, while on different sides of the political spectrum, probably agree on more things than is evident.\nBut the current political system doesn't accurately portray that. And the media certainly didn't fucking help either.", ">\n\nNeither party will ever let that happen.", ">\n\nThis should be an indicator of how deep the problem goes - it shouldn't be up to the parties. They should be responding to the demands of the people.\nThe FPTP issue is compounded by the US not having mandatory voting. This means parties don't need to consider everyone - a winning strategy can simply be \"be as different to the other team as possible, and create wedge issues that we can throw to our supporters to make them mad enough to vote for us\". They don't have to cater to anyone other than their bases.\nPeople are hung up on the issues that political parties want them to be hung up on. Wedge issues are valid, but in the scheme of things aren't as important as making sure elections are reflective of the actual will of the people.", ">\n\nA perfect example of this is the republicans current fixation: trans issues. Only between 0.5%-1.5% of the US population identify as transgender and yet if you listened to Republicans, you would think this number is considerably higher.", ">\n\nI find it interesting how closely the trump White House was working hand-in-hand with its congressional saboteurs, the House Freedom Caucus, to stage a coup.\nMark Meadows is one the Freedom Caucus' co-founders, Scott Perry is its current Chairman.\nMick Mulvaney, who is yet another co-founder of the Freedom Caucus, and also trump's former Chief of Staff, once said, \"Trump wants to turn Washington upside down – that was his first message and his winning message. We want the exact same thing.\"\nWatch this caucus closely, they are an ongoing threat to democracy, even if trump never returns to the White House. Meanwhile, one of the caucus' other co-founders, Ron DeSantis, has a good chance of picking up where trump and his saboteurs left off.", ">\n\nThey're essentially also the Pro Putin Caucus if you consider how a majority of them have voted against Ukraine aid/other bills having to do with war - and the general parroting of Kremlin talking points.", ">\n\nYes, they are also the pro Putin caucus, or known by their other nick name, the Treason Caucus. Just recently, two members, Boebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky during his congressional address. Many other members did not even attend the speech.", ">\n\n\nBoebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky\n\nAnd Russian media noticed and praised them for it.", ">\n\nNoticed? It was probably their plan", ">\n\nApparently it was over a dozen times the witness saw him burning documents.", ">\n\nI believe she said that he made copies though too.", ">\n\nDo you have a source for that?", ">\n\nI thought I had read a quote in another thread but I think this must be what I saw (Cassidy Hutchinson speaking): “However, I don’t know if they were the first or original copies of anything,” she continued. “It’s entirely possible that he had put things in his fireplace that he also would have put into a burn bag that there were duplicates of or that there was an electronic copy of.”\nSo no, not definitive that he had other copies, but it's possible.\nsource", ">\n\nIt does seem possible that there were copies. Thanks!", ">\n\nI mean if someone typed up something in the 1950s and you burned it, that's it, gone forever. But I find it hard to believe these people were typing out all their secret shit on analog typewriters, they were printing out emails and electronic reports and PDFs. Surely there's got to be copies somewhere.", ">\n\nThey do illegal things because they know they won't be held accountable.", ">\n\nAnd even if we suddenly hold them accountable, we've shown how slow we are to act. If someone wants to really make a run for the coup they will a good idea what their window is... and it's super wide.", ">\n\nIm just so happy don't have to worry about these types of shenanigans from Joe biden", ">\n\nHaven’t you seen the impeach Biden flags? Whatever he did, I shudder to think about. If they won’t say what it is, it must be an unspeakable evil.", ">\n\nThese folks all need to be in jail. For a long, long time.", ">\n\nYou misspelled forever.", ">\n\nNah, it needs to be longer than that", ">\n\nAnd they need a GoT nun to follow them around and intone SHAME every two minutes or so.", ">\n\nYou think that Meadows has come to the realization that he's going to be trump's fall guy? Better start talking.", ">\n\nIt seems like he drank the Koolaid, I bet they'd have to make him talk.", ">\n\nThat's a thought that plagues me. Think of all of the shit that has come out on this administration. Now think of the fact that everything we know is just what's left after they tried very hard to cover the worst of it up.", ">\n\nThere's a legacy for the Trump Admin to add to all the future history books: The administration that was responsible for all of The White House fireplaces being bricked in.", ">\n\nSome day he'll give Michelle Obama a piece of candy and all will be forgiven.", ">\n\nDestruction of evidence should result in an automatic guilty verdict.", ">\n\nNot to be AH, but how can anyone prove that the tinder wasn't doodles of dicks.\nI'm waiting for real evidence that can be introduced into a court. Without that, we have the theory, just not the evidence. Giuliani showed how that works in court.", ">\n\nThere's an archival procedure.", ">\n\nBy the testimony that I read, Meadows apparently took the meeting notes, then destroyed them prior to archival. If someone else took the notes, they are possibly recoverable. I still would see this as an unwinnable, he said - she said.", ">\n\nWhen the party of law and order prove they’re not.", ">\n\nWhat does Mark Meadows have to say about this? Has he issued a statement? Maybe he’s only Arsonist-ish to quote a newly-elected Republican.", ">\n\nHe drafted a statement, then hurriedly shoved it in his arson hole while avoiding all eye contact.", ">\n\nSomething about him avoiding eye-contact and staring at his phone during the attack makes me think that this guy is the sort who will cut a deal to save himself. I’m not saying that it’s cowardice. It’s cowardly behavior but its his lack of values for anything beyond self-interest that will compel him to cut a deal. What reason does he have to do otherwise?", ">\n\nConservative Americans actually support this behavior in the 21st Century but in the 'good old days' this wouldn't fly. \nThey think that treating politics like a reality show will make America as \"great\" as it was in the 50s.", ">\n\nWow, you liberals will do anything to distract from the fact that Obama wore a tan suit and profited from his presidency by writing a book when he was no longer president.\n/s cause i'm a wimp." ]

[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good.", ">\n\nRepublican leadership likes a guy like this. Meadows was demonstrating some real rat fuck behavior, and that goes along way with this current iteration of the GOP.", ">\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics? The last 6-7 years, the GOP has really leaned into the overt cruelty, corruption, lies, etc. and their voters fucking love it.\nNobody ever gets held accountable and as long as their voters like it, they’ll just get more and more bold. I don’t know how to even fight against this mentality.", ">\n\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics?\n\nYou get a voting system in place that allows people to express their displeasure without having to completely sacrifice their other principles.\nA conservative is still going to vote Republican, not because they think burning documents is best practise, but because they value conservatism. There are no other avenues for them to vote for conservative values in a first-past-the-post system.\nFirst-past-the-post doesn't give a shit about your political opinion, beyond \"these 2 choices\". The People cannot exercise their duty when it's the same two unpunished parties over and over.\nInstead, it will turn the people against each other as the political system becomes calcified into nothing more than an ongoing series of football matches played by the same two teams for eternity.\nThe political class really has the public right where they want them - fighting amongst themselves instead of channelling that energy into demanding and rewarding better governance.", ">\n\nSpoiler… they don’t value conservatism. \nNo conservatives are fucking conservative. \nThey are dumb as fuck. The people leading their party don’t practice religion like they pretend they do, they all have abortions etc. They just get people all excited about this shit even though it doesn’t actually mean shit to them.", ">\n\nThat's missing the point really, and falling into the mode that better suits politicians than it does the citizenry. \nI wouldn't necessarily take what the Republican party does as what all conservatives really, 100% want. It's just the closest to it.\nGet a system that provides more options, ranging from centrist all the way through the MAGA nutjobs and then see who they vote for before making a judgement.\nIf the US is like every other country in the world (and I have seen no reason to think otherwise), there's probably a large central mass of voters who, while on different sides of the political spectrum, probably agree on more things than is evident.\nBut the current political system doesn't accurately portray that. And the media certainly didn't fucking help either.", ">\n\nNeither party will ever let that happen.", ">\n\nThis should be an indicator of how deep the problem goes - it shouldn't be up to the parties. They should be responding to the demands of the people.\nThe FPTP issue is compounded by the US not having mandatory voting. This means parties don't need to consider everyone - a winning strategy can simply be \"be as different to the other team as possible, and create wedge issues that we can throw to our supporters to make them mad enough to vote for us\". They don't have to cater to anyone other than their bases.\nPeople are hung up on the issues that political parties want them to be hung up on. Wedge issues are valid, but in the scheme of things aren't as important as making sure elections are reflective of the actual will of the people.", ">\n\nA perfect example of this is the republicans current fixation: trans issues. Only between 0.5%-1.5% of the US population identify as transgender and yet if you listened to Republicans, you would think this number is considerably higher.", ">\n\nI find it interesting how closely the trump White House was working hand-in-hand with its congressional saboteurs, the House Freedom Caucus, to stage a coup.\nMark Meadows is one the Freedom Caucus' co-founders, Scott Perry is its current Chairman.\nMick Mulvaney, who is yet another co-founder of the Freedom Caucus, and also trump's former Chief of Staff, once said, \"Trump wants to turn Washington upside down – that was his first message and his winning message. We want the exact same thing.\"\nWatch this caucus closely, they are an ongoing threat to democracy, even if trump never returns to the White House. Meanwhile, one of the caucus' other co-founders, Ron DeSantis, has a good chance of picking up where trump and his saboteurs left off.", ">\n\nThey're essentially also the Pro Putin Caucus if you consider how a majority of them have voted against Ukraine aid/other bills having to do with war - and the general parroting of Kremlin talking points.", ">\n\nYes, they are also the pro Putin caucus, or known by their other nick name, the Treason Caucus. Just recently, two members, Boebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky during his congressional address. Many other members did not even attend the speech.", ">\n\n\nBoebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky\n\nAnd Russian media noticed and praised them for it.", ">\n\nNoticed? It was probably their plan", ">\n\nApparently it was over a dozen times the witness saw him burning documents.", ">\n\nI believe she said that he made copies though too.", ">\n\nDo you have a source for that?", ">\n\nI thought I had read a quote in another thread but I think this must be what I saw (Cassidy Hutchinson speaking): “However, I don’t know if they were the first or original copies of anything,” she continued. “It’s entirely possible that he had put things in his fireplace that he also would have put into a burn bag that there were duplicates of or that there was an electronic copy of.”\nSo no, not definitive that he had other copies, but it's possible.\nsource", ">\n\nIt does seem possible that there were copies. Thanks!", ">\n\nI mean if someone typed up something in the 1950s and you burned it, that's it, gone forever. But I find it hard to believe these people were typing out all their secret shit on analog typewriters, they were printing out emails and electronic reports and PDFs. Surely there's got to be copies somewhere.", ">\n\nThey do illegal things because they know they won't be held accountable.", ">\n\nAnd even if we suddenly hold them accountable, we've shown how slow we are to act. If someone wants to really make a run for the coup they will a good idea what their window is... and it's super wide.", ">\n\nIm just so happy don't have to worry about these types of shenanigans from Joe biden", ">\n\nHaven’t you seen the impeach Biden flags? Whatever he did, I shudder to think about. If they won’t say what it is, it must be an unspeakable evil.", ">\n\nThese folks all need to be in jail. For a long, long time.", ">\n\nYou misspelled forever.", ">\n\nNah, it needs to be longer than that", ">\n\nAnd they need a GoT nun to follow them around and intone SHAME every two minutes or so.", ">\n\nYou think that Meadows has come to the realization that he's going to be trump's fall guy? Better start talking.", ">\n\nIt seems like he drank the Koolaid, I bet they'd have to make him talk.", ">\n\nThat's a thought that plagues me. Think of all of the shit that has come out on this administration. Now think of the fact that everything we know is just what's left after they tried very hard to cover the worst of it up.", ">\n\nThere's a legacy for the Trump Admin to add to all the future history books: The administration that was responsible for all of The White House fireplaces being bricked in.", ">\n\nSome day he'll give Michelle Obama a piece of candy and all will be forgiven.", ">\n\nDestruction of evidence should result in an automatic guilty verdict.", ">\n\nNot to be AH, but how can anyone prove that the tinder wasn't doodles of dicks.\nI'm waiting for real evidence that can be introduced into a court. Without that, we have the theory, just not the evidence. Giuliani showed how that works in court.", ">\n\nThere's an archival procedure.", ">\n\nBy the testimony that I read, Meadows apparently took the meeting notes, then destroyed them prior to archival. If someone else took the notes, they are possibly recoverable. I still would see this as an unwinnable, he said - she said.", ">\n\nWhen the party of law and order prove they’re not.", ">\n\nWhat does Mark Meadows have to say about this? Has he issued a statement? Maybe he’s only Arsonist-ish to quote a newly-elected Republican.", ">\n\nHe drafted a statement, then hurriedly shoved it in his arson hole while avoiding all eye contact.", ">\n\nSomething about him avoiding eye-contact and staring at his phone during the attack makes me think that this guy is the sort who will cut a deal to save himself. I’m not saying that it’s cowardice. It’s cowardly behavior but its his lack of values for anything beyond self-interest that will compel him to cut a deal. What reason does he have to do otherwise?", ">\n\nConservative Americans actually support this behavior in the 21st Century but in the 'good old days' this wouldn't fly. \nThey think that treating politics like a reality show will make America as \"great\" as it was in the 50s.", ">\n\nWow, you liberals will do anything to distract from the fact that Obama wore a tan suit and profited from his presidency by writing a book when he was no longer president.\n/s cause i'm a wimp.", ">\n\nNice job leaving out mention of the Dijon mustard superscandal, you filthy commie.\n(/s, me too)" ]

[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good.", ">\n\nRepublican leadership likes a guy like this. Meadows was demonstrating some real rat fuck behavior, and that goes along way with this current iteration of the GOP.", ">\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics? The last 6-7 years, the GOP has really leaned into the overt cruelty, corruption, lies, etc. and their voters fucking love it.\nNobody ever gets held accountable and as long as their voters like it, they’ll just get more and more bold. I don’t know how to even fight against this mentality.", ">\n\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics?\n\nYou get a voting system in place that allows people to express their displeasure without having to completely sacrifice their other principles.\nA conservative is still going to vote Republican, not because they think burning documents is best practise, but because they value conservatism. There are no other avenues for them to vote for conservative values in a first-past-the-post system.\nFirst-past-the-post doesn't give a shit about your political opinion, beyond \"these 2 choices\". The People cannot exercise their duty when it's the same two unpunished parties over and over.\nInstead, it will turn the people against each other as the political system becomes calcified into nothing more than an ongoing series of football matches played by the same two teams for eternity.\nThe political class really has the public right where they want them - fighting amongst themselves instead of channelling that energy into demanding and rewarding better governance.", ">\n\nSpoiler… they don’t value conservatism. \nNo conservatives are fucking conservative. \nThey are dumb as fuck. The people leading their party don’t practice religion like they pretend they do, they all have abortions etc. They just get people all excited about this shit even though it doesn’t actually mean shit to them.", ">\n\nThat's missing the point really, and falling into the mode that better suits politicians than it does the citizenry. \nI wouldn't necessarily take what the Republican party does as what all conservatives really, 100% want. It's just the closest to it.\nGet a system that provides more options, ranging from centrist all the way through the MAGA nutjobs and then see who they vote for before making a judgement.\nIf the US is like every other country in the world (and I have seen no reason to think otherwise), there's probably a large central mass of voters who, while on different sides of the political spectrum, probably agree on more things than is evident.\nBut the current political system doesn't accurately portray that. And the media certainly didn't fucking help either.", ">\n\nNeither party will ever let that happen.", ">\n\nThis should be an indicator of how deep the problem goes - it shouldn't be up to the parties. They should be responding to the demands of the people.\nThe FPTP issue is compounded by the US not having mandatory voting. This means parties don't need to consider everyone - a winning strategy can simply be \"be as different to the other team as possible, and create wedge issues that we can throw to our supporters to make them mad enough to vote for us\". They don't have to cater to anyone other than their bases.\nPeople are hung up on the issues that political parties want them to be hung up on. Wedge issues are valid, but in the scheme of things aren't as important as making sure elections are reflective of the actual will of the people.", ">\n\nA perfect example of this is the republicans current fixation: trans issues. Only between 0.5%-1.5% of the US population identify as transgender and yet if you listened to Republicans, you would think this number is considerably higher.", ">\n\nI find it interesting how closely the trump White House was working hand-in-hand with its congressional saboteurs, the House Freedom Caucus, to stage a coup.\nMark Meadows is one the Freedom Caucus' co-founders, Scott Perry is its current Chairman.\nMick Mulvaney, who is yet another co-founder of the Freedom Caucus, and also trump's former Chief of Staff, once said, \"Trump wants to turn Washington upside down – that was his first message and his winning message. We want the exact same thing.\"\nWatch this caucus closely, they are an ongoing threat to democracy, even if trump never returns to the White House. Meanwhile, one of the caucus' other co-founders, Ron DeSantis, has a good chance of picking up where trump and his saboteurs left off.", ">\n\nThey're essentially also the Pro Putin Caucus if you consider how a majority of them have voted against Ukraine aid/other bills having to do with war - and the general parroting of Kremlin talking points.", ">\n\nYes, they are also the pro Putin caucus, or known by their other nick name, the Treason Caucus. Just recently, two members, Boebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky during his congressional address. Many other members did not even attend the speech.", ">\n\n\nBoebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky\n\nAnd Russian media noticed and praised them for it.", ">\n\nNoticed? It was probably their plan", ">\n\nApparently it was over a dozen times the witness saw him burning documents.", ">\n\nI believe she said that he made copies though too.", ">\n\nDo you have a source for that?", ">\n\nI thought I had read a quote in another thread but I think this must be what I saw (Cassidy Hutchinson speaking): “However, I don’t know if they were the first or original copies of anything,” she continued. “It’s entirely possible that he had put things in his fireplace that he also would have put into a burn bag that there were duplicates of or that there was an electronic copy of.”\nSo no, not definitive that he had other copies, but it's possible.\nsource", ">\n\nIt does seem possible that there were copies. Thanks!", ">\n\nI mean if someone typed up something in the 1950s and you burned it, that's it, gone forever. But I find it hard to believe these people were typing out all their secret shit on analog typewriters, they were printing out emails and electronic reports and PDFs. Surely there's got to be copies somewhere.", ">\n\nThey do illegal things because they know they won't be held accountable.", ">\n\nAnd even if we suddenly hold them accountable, we've shown how slow we are to act. If someone wants to really make a run for the coup they will a good idea what their window is... and it's super wide.", ">\n\nIm just so happy don't have to worry about these types of shenanigans from Joe biden", ">\n\nHaven’t you seen the impeach Biden flags? Whatever he did, I shudder to think about. If they won’t say what it is, it must be an unspeakable evil.", ">\n\nThese folks all need to be in jail. For a long, long time.", ">\n\nYou misspelled forever.", ">\n\nNah, it needs to be longer than that", ">\n\nAnd they need a GoT nun to follow them around and intone SHAME every two minutes or so.", ">\n\nYou think that Meadows has come to the realization that he's going to be trump's fall guy? Better start talking.", ">\n\nIt seems like he drank the Koolaid, I bet they'd have to make him talk.", ">\n\nThat's a thought that plagues me. Think of all of the shit that has come out on this administration. Now think of the fact that everything we know is just what's left after they tried very hard to cover the worst of it up.", ">\n\nThere's a legacy for the Trump Admin to add to all the future history books: The administration that was responsible for all of The White House fireplaces being bricked in.", ">\n\nSome day he'll give Michelle Obama a piece of candy and all will be forgiven.", ">\n\nDestruction of evidence should result in an automatic guilty verdict.", ">\n\nNot to be AH, but how can anyone prove that the tinder wasn't doodles of dicks.\nI'm waiting for real evidence that can be introduced into a court. Without that, we have the theory, just not the evidence. Giuliani showed how that works in court.", ">\n\nThere's an archival procedure.", ">\n\nBy the testimony that I read, Meadows apparently took the meeting notes, then destroyed them prior to archival. If someone else took the notes, they are possibly recoverable. I still would see this as an unwinnable, he said - she said.", ">\n\nWhen the party of law and order prove they’re not.", ">\n\nWhat does Mark Meadows have to say about this? Has he issued a statement? Maybe he’s only Arsonist-ish to quote a newly-elected Republican.", ">\n\nHe drafted a statement, then hurriedly shoved it in his arson hole while avoiding all eye contact.", ">\n\nSomething about him avoiding eye-contact and staring at his phone during the attack makes me think that this guy is the sort who will cut a deal to save himself. I’m not saying that it’s cowardice. It’s cowardly behavior but its his lack of values for anything beyond self-interest that will compel him to cut a deal. What reason does he have to do otherwise?", ">\n\nConservative Americans actually support this behavior in the 21st Century but in the 'good old days' this wouldn't fly. \nThey think that treating politics like a reality show will make America as \"great\" as it was in the 50s.", ">\n\nWow, you liberals will do anything to distract from the fact that Obama wore a tan suit and profited from his presidency by writing a book when he was no longer president.\n/s cause i'm a wimp.", ">\n\nNice job leaving out mention of the Dijon mustard superscandal, you filthy commie.\n(/s, me too)", ">\n\nHe didn't even mention the shameful bicycle helmet." ]

[ "Well, in the history of politics, no one burns stuff that makes you look good.", ">\n\nRepublican leadership likes a guy like this. Meadows was demonstrating some real rat fuck behavior, and that goes along way with this current iteration of the GOP.", ">\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics? The last 6-7 years, the GOP has really leaned into the overt cruelty, corruption, lies, etc. and their voters fucking love it.\nNobody ever gets held accountable and as long as their voters like it, they’ll just get more and more bold. I don’t know how to even fight against this mentality.", ">\n\n\nSerious question - how do we even get this shit out of American politics?\n\nYou get a voting system in place that allows people to express their displeasure without having to completely sacrifice their other principles.\nA conservative is still going to vote Republican, not because they think burning documents is best practise, but because they value conservatism. There are no other avenues for them to vote for conservative values in a first-past-the-post system.\nFirst-past-the-post doesn't give a shit about your political opinion, beyond \"these 2 choices\". The People cannot exercise their duty when it's the same two unpunished parties over and over.\nInstead, it will turn the people against each other as the political system becomes calcified into nothing more than an ongoing series of football matches played by the same two teams for eternity.\nThe political class really has the public right where they want them - fighting amongst themselves instead of channelling that energy into demanding and rewarding better governance.", ">\n\nSpoiler… they don’t value conservatism. \nNo conservatives are fucking conservative. \nThey are dumb as fuck. The people leading their party don’t practice religion like they pretend they do, they all have abortions etc. They just get people all excited about this shit even though it doesn’t actually mean shit to them.", ">\n\nThat's missing the point really, and falling into the mode that better suits politicians than it does the citizenry. \nI wouldn't necessarily take what the Republican party does as what all conservatives really, 100% want. It's just the closest to it.\nGet a system that provides more options, ranging from centrist all the way through the MAGA nutjobs and then see who they vote for before making a judgement.\nIf the US is like every other country in the world (and I have seen no reason to think otherwise), there's probably a large central mass of voters who, while on different sides of the political spectrum, probably agree on more things than is evident.\nBut the current political system doesn't accurately portray that. And the media certainly didn't fucking help either.", ">\n\nNeither party will ever let that happen.", ">\n\nThis should be an indicator of how deep the problem goes - it shouldn't be up to the parties. They should be responding to the demands of the people.\nThe FPTP issue is compounded by the US not having mandatory voting. This means parties don't need to consider everyone - a winning strategy can simply be \"be as different to the other team as possible, and create wedge issues that we can throw to our supporters to make them mad enough to vote for us\". They don't have to cater to anyone other than their bases.\nPeople are hung up on the issues that political parties want them to be hung up on. Wedge issues are valid, but in the scheme of things aren't as important as making sure elections are reflective of the actual will of the people.", ">\n\nA perfect example of this is the republicans current fixation: trans issues. Only between 0.5%-1.5% of the US population identify as transgender and yet if you listened to Republicans, you would think this number is considerably higher.", ">\n\nI find it interesting how closely the trump White House was working hand-in-hand with its congressional saboteurs, the House Freedom Caucus, to stage a coup.\nMark Meadows is one the Freedom Caucus' co-founders, Scott Perry is its current Chairman.\nMick Mulvaney, who is yet another co-founder of the Freedom Caucus, and also trump's former Chief of Staff, once said, \"Trump wants to turn Washington upside down – that was his first message and his winning message. We want the exact same thing.\"\nWatch this caucus closely, they are an ongoing threat to democracy, even if trump never returns to the White House. Meanwhile, one of the caucus' other co-founders, Ron DeSantis, has a good chance of picking up where trump and his saboteurs left off.", ">\n\nThey're essentially also the Pro Putin Caucus if you consider how a majority of them have voted against Ukraine aid/other bills having to do with war - and the general parroting of Kremlin talking points.", ">\n\nYes, they are also the pro Putin caucus, or known by their other nick name, the Treason Caucus. Just recently, two members, Boebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky during his congressional address. Many other members did not even attend the speech.", ">\n\n\nBoebert and Gaetz, made a point to disrespect Zelensky\n\nAnd Russian media noticed and praised them for it.", ">\n\nNoticed? It was probably their plan", ">\n\nApparently it was over a dozen times the witness saw him burning documents.", ">\n\nI believe she said that he made copies though too.", ">\n\nDo you have a source for that?", ">\n\nI thought I had read a quote in another thread but I think this must be what I saw (Cassidy Hutchinson speaking): “However, I don’t know if they were the first or original copies of anything,” she continued. “It’s entirely possible that he had put things in his fireplace that he also would have put into a burn bag that there were duplicates of or that there was an electronic copy of.”\nSo no, not definitive that he had other copies, but it's possible.\nsource", ">\n\nIt does seem possible that there were copies. Thanks!", ">\n\nI mean if someone typed up something in the 1950s and you burned it, that's it, gone forever. But I find it hard to believe these people were typing out all their secret shit on analog typewriters, they were printing out emails and electronic reports and PDFs. Surely there's got to be copies somewhere.", ">\n\nThey do illegal things because they know they won't be held accountable.", ">\n\nAnd even if we suddenly hold them accountable, we've shown how slow we are to act. If someone wants to really make a run for the coup they will a good idea what their window is... and it's super wide.", ">\n\nIm just so happy don't have to worry about these types of shenanigans from Joe biden", ">\n\nHaven’t you seen the impeach Biden flags? Whatever he did, I shudder to think about. If they won’t say what it is, it must be an unspeakable evil.", ">\n\nThese folks all need to be in jail. For a long, long time.", ">\n\nYou misspelled forever.", ">\n\nNah, it needs to be longer than that", ">\n\nAnd they need a GoT nun to follow them around and intone SHAME every two minutes or so.", ">\n\nYou think that Meadows has come to the realization that he's going to be trump's fall guy? Better start talking.", ">\n\nIt seems like he drank the Koolaid, I bet they'd have to make him talk.", ">\n\nThat's a thought that plagues me. Think of all of the shit that has come out on this administration. Now think of the fact that everything we know is just what's left after they tried very hard to cover the worst of it up.", ">\n\nThere's a legacy for the Trump Admin to add to all the future history books: The administration that was responsible for all of The White House fireplaces being bricked in.", ">\n\nSome day he'll give Michelle Obama a piece of candy and all will be forgiven.", ">\n\nDestruction of evidence should result in an automatic guilty verdict.", ">\n\nNot to be AH, but how can anyone prove that the tinder wasn't doodles of dicks.\nI'm waiting for real evidence that can be introduced into a court. Without that, we have the theory, just not the evidence. Giuliani showed how that works in court.", ">\n\nThere's an archival procedure.", ">\n\nBy the testimony that I read, Meadows apparently took the meeting notes, then destroyed them prior to archival. If someone else took the notes, they are possibly recoverable. I still would see this as an unwinnable, he said - she said.", ">\n\nWhen the party of law and order prove they’re not.", ">\n\nWhat does Mark Meadows have to say about this? Has he issued a statement? Maybe he’s only Arsonist-ish to quote a newly-elected Republican.", ">\n\nHe drafted a statement, then hurriedly shoved it in his arson hole while avoiding all eye contact.", ">\n\nSomething about him avoiding eye-contact and staring at his phone during the attack makes me think that this guy is the sort who will cut a deal to save himself. I’m not saying that it’s cowardice. It’s cowardly behavior but its his lack of values for anything beyond self-interest that will compel him to cut a deal. What reason does he have to do otherwise?", ">\n\nConservative Americans actually support this behavior in the 21st Century but in the 'good old days' this wouldn't fly. \nThey think that treating politics like a reality show will make America as \"great\" as it was in the 50s.", ">\n\nWow, you liberals will do anything to distract from the fact that Obama wore a tan suit and profited from his presidency by writing a book when he was no longer president.\n/s cause i'm a wimp.", ">\n\nNice job leaving out mention of the Dijon mustard superscandal, you filthy commie.\n(/s, me too)", ">\n\nHe didn't even mention the shameful bicycle helmet.", ">\n\n“Actually, it was really cold that day & the heat was broken, so we burned a bunch of completely innocuous papers to keep warm.”" ]