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[ "the headphones’ ear pieces can be washed\n\nSo can ear phones.", ">\n\nThe little net thing is very deep inside the silicone with my ones", ">\n\nYou can usually pop the silicone off", ">\n\nEar \"poop\" . Good lord that's cringey", ">\n\nBut not inaccurate, metaphorically. I wear hearingaids, used to wear the in the canal kind and was forever clearing earwax out of the things and occasionally getting ear infections I believe caused by the wearing. If you ever need ear help go straight to the behind the ear type, much better machines, and if you are worried that people will stop and stare, nope, generally they are too far up their own business to notice.", ">\n\nDo you not clean them? I clean my earbuds pretty often and they look fine. Also, due to anxiety, I don’t like having both ears buds in so I can still listen to my surroundings. It’s a lot more comfortable to do that with earbuds than headphones. I know a lot more people who’ve never washed their headphones than people that don’t clean their earbuds.", ">\n\nI was in the same boat with anxiety and wearing one earbud. I recently got a pair with a \"talk through\" feature, and it changed everything. Now I can get stereo music, and hear my surroundings.", ">\n\nLove my headphones. Soft, comfortable and they keep my ears warm. Ear pods just pop out and you have to spend time finding them and putting them back in. Personal preference probably.", ">\n\nI wear glasses…headphones push my ear against the arm and it starts hurting pretty soon", ">\n\nThis really depends on your frames and the headphones. I have thin frames that work with just about any pair of headphones. But I also hate most ear covering ones as I have big ass ears.", ">\n\nI hate both, but I prefer ear buds most of the time.\nWearing headphones for too long makes my ears hurt and I can feel a bit disoriented for some reason. I'm not sure how, but I get car sick, so maybe that relates somehow. \nAnything that goes in my ear falls out constantly. I clean them regularly, but the little net that covers the hole (like a speaker) always seems to come out after a few cleaning attempts. The mic on them always seems to break as well. I go through them way too quickly. I do think you have a point, but I'm still going to use them.", ">\n\nA good pair I use let's you just buy new cables (including mic on the cable) the brand is KZ the actual speaker part of the earbuds just pop off so that you can replace the cable instead of the whole unit. Might be good for you since you wouldn't have to spend as much replacing them", ">\n\n\nMost people carry some sort of bag with them every day to most places.\n\nNo?", ">\n\nright? most...women? maybe? i'm not even sure most women are out there carrying purses anymore", ">\n\nI should be carrying a bag with me, but...", ">\n\nThere’s a Best Buy ad for ear buds right below this lol", ">\n\nHeadphones make my head ache and they look clubber-ish?", ">\n\nI clean my ear buds weekly, and clean my ears like twice a day 🤔😂", ">\n\nDo you ever clean your ears?", ">\n\nI totally love headphones over ear buds but headphones simply aren't as convenient to carry around.", ">\n\nClean ur ears once a week and u won’t have Tht problem", ">\n\nI sort of agree with this. I personally clean them regularly but I know people who have the grossest ear buds I have ever seen and make me feel sick every time I see them. So ya if you want the convenience of having them please for the sake of humanity, clean them!", ">\n\nI like them better for sports though", ">\n\nMe over here with nuraphones. :P", ">\n\nI didn’t know what that was so I looked it up… I’m so jealous bro. ✋😭", ">\n\nYea it's the best of both worlds sound wise imo. I wonder if OP knows there is this weird amalgam that these headphones earbud whatever's are XD" ]

[ "the headphones’ ear pieces can be washed\n\nSo can ear phones.", ">\n\nThe little net thing is very deep inside the silicone with my ones", ">\n\nYou can usually pop the silicone off", ">\n\nEar \"poop\" . Good lord that's cringey", ">\n\nBut not inaccurate, metaphorically. I wear hearingaids, used to wear the in the canal kind and was forever clearing earwax out of the things and occasionally getting ear infections I believe caused by the wearing. If you ever need ear help go straight to the behind the ear type, much better machines, and if you are worried that people will stop and stare, nope, generally they are too far up their own business to notice.", ">\n\nDo you not clean them? I clean my earbuds pretty often and they look fine. Also, due to anxiety, I don’t like having both ears buds in so I can still listen to my surroundings. It’s a lot more comfortable to do that with earbuds than headphones. I know a lot more people who’ve never washed their headphones than people that don’t clean their earbuds.", ">\n\nI was in the same boat with anxiety and wearing one earbud. I recently got a pair with a \"talk through\" feature, and it changed everything. Now I can get stereo music, and hear my surroundings.", ">\n\nLove my headphones. Soft, comfortable and they keep my ears warm. Ear pods just pop out and you have to spend time finding them and putting them back in. Personal preference probably.", ">\n\nI wear glasses…headphones push my ear against the arm and it starts hurting pretty soon", ">\n\nThis really depends on your frames and the headphones. I have thin frames that work with just about any pair of headphones. But I also hate most ear covering ones as I have big ass ears.", ">\n\nI hate both, but I prefer ear buds most of the time.\nWearing headphones for too long makes my ears hurt and I can feel a bit disoriented for some reason. I'm not sure how, but I get car sick, so maybe that relates somehow. \nAnything that goes in my ear falls out constantly. I clean them regularly, but the little net that covers the hole (like a speaker) always seems to come out after a few cleaning attempts. The mic on them always seems to break as well. I go through them way too quickly. I do think you have a point, but I'm still going to use them.", ">\n\nA good pair I use let's you just buy new cables (including mic on the cable) the brand is KZ the actual speaker part of the earbuds just pop off so that you can replace the cable instead of the whole unit. Might be good for you since you wouldn't have to spend as much replacing them", ">\n\n\nMost people carry some sort of bag with them every day to most places.\n\nNo?", ">\n\nright? most...women? maybe? i'm not even sure most women are out there carrying purses anymore", ">\n\nI should be carrying a bag with me, but...", ">\n\nThere’s a Best Buy ad for ear buds right below this lol", ">\n\nHeadphones make my head ache and they look clubber-ish?", ">\n\nI clean my ear buds weekly, and clean my ears like twice a day 🤔😂", ">\n\nDo you ever clean your ears?", ">\n\nI totally love headphones over ear buds but headphones simply aren't as convenient to carry around.", ">\n\nClean ur ears once a week and u won’t have Tht problem", ">\n\nI sort of agree with this. I personally clean them regularly but I know people who have the grossest ear buds I have ever seen and make me feel sick every time I see them. So ya if you want the convenience of having them please for the sake of humanity, clean them!", ">\n\nI like them better for sports though", ">\n\nMe over here with nuraphones. :P", ">\n\nI didn’t know what that was so I looked it up… I’m so jealous bro. ✋😭", ">\n\nYea it's the best of both worlds sound wise imo. I wonder if OP knows there is this weird amalgam that these headphones earbud whatever's are XD", ">\n\nEar phones are “disgusting.” Lol" ]

[ "the headphones’ ear pieces can be washed\n\nSo can ear phones.", ">\n\nThe little net thing is very deep inside the silicone with my ones", ">\n\nYou can usually pop the silicone off", ">\n\nEar \"poop\" . Good lord that's cringey", ">\n\nBut not inaccurate, metaphorically. I wear hearingaids, used to wear the in the canal kind and was forever clearing earwax out of the things and occasionally getting ear infections I believe caused by the wearing. If you ever need ear help go straight to the behind the ear type, much better machines, and if you are worried that people will stop and stare, nope, generally they are too far up their own business to notice.", ">\n\nDo you not clean them? I clean my earbuds pretty often and they look fine. Also, due to anxiety, I don’t like having both ears buds in so I can still listen to my surroundings. It’s a lot more comfortable to do that with earbuds than headphones. I know a lot more people who’ve never washed their headphones than people that don’t clean their earbuds.", ">\n\nI was in the same boat with anxiety and wearing one earbud. I recently got a pair with a \"talk through\" feature, and it changed everything. Now I can get stereo music, and hear my surroundings.", ">\n\nLove my headphones. Soft, comfortable and they keep my ears warm. Ear pods just pop out and you have to spend time finding them and putting them back in. Personal preference probably.", ">\n\nI wear glasses…headphones push my ear against the arm and it starts hurting pretty soon", ">\n\nThis really depends on your frames and the headphones. I have thin frames that work with just about any pair of headphones. But I also hate most ear covering ones as I have big ass ears.", ">\n\nI hate both, but I prefer ear buds most of the time.\nWearing headphones for too long makes my ears hurt and I can feel a bit disoriented for some reason. I'm not sure how, but I get car sick, so maybe that relates somehow. \nAnything that goes in my ear falls out constantly. I clean them regularly, but the little net that covers the hole (like a speaker) always seems to come out after a few cleaning attempts. The mic on them always seems to break as well. I go through them way too quickly. I do think you have a point, but I'm still going to use them.", ">\n\nA good pair I use let's you just buy new cables (including mic on the cable) the brand is KZ the actual speaker part of the earbuds just pop off so that you can replace the cable instead of the whole unit. Might be good for you since you wouldn't have to spend as much replacing them", ">\n\n\nMost people carry some sort of bag with them every day to most places.\n\nNo?", ">\n\nright? most...women? maybe? i'm not even sure most women are out there carrying purses anymore", ">\n\nI should be carrying a bag with me, but...", ">\n\nThere’s a Best Buy ad for ear buds right below this lol", ">\n\nHeadphones make my head ache and they look clubber-ish?", ">\n\nI clean my ear buds weekly, and clean my ears like twice a day 🤔😂", ">\n\nDo you ever clean your ears?", ">\n\nI totally love headphones over ear buds but headphones simply aren't as convenient to carry around.", ">\n\nClean ur ears once a week and u won’t have Tht problem", ">\n\nI sort of agree with this. I personally clean them regularly but I know people who have the grossest ear buds I have ever seen and make me feel sick every time I see them. So ya if you want the convenience of having them please for the sake of humanity, clean them!", ">\n\nI like them better for sports though", ">\n\nMe over here with nuraphones. :P", ">\n\nI didn’t know what that was so I looked it up… I’m so jealous bro. ✋😭", ">\n\nYea it's the best of both worlds sound wise imo. I wonder if OP knows there is this weird amalgam that these headphones earbud whatever's are XD", ">\n\nEar phones are “disgusting.” Lol", ">\n\nI hate in-ear headphones like poison. If you do have $3500 though, getting in-ear monitors is a great decision. \nI just can’t wait for a couple decades from now when people all have terrible hearing loss. My ENT says you shouldn’t even use Q-tips." ]

[ "the headphones’ ear pieces can be washed\n\nSo can ear phones.", ">\n\nThe little net thing is very deep inside the silicone with my ones", ">\n\nYou can usually pop the silicone off", ">\n\nEar \"poop\" . Good lord that's cringey", ">\n\nBut not inaccurate, metaphorically. I wear hearingaids, used to wear the in the canal kind and was forever clearing earwax out of the things and occasionally getting ear infections I believe caused by the wearing. If you ever need ear help go straight to the behind the ear type, much better machines, and if you are worried that people will stop and stare, nope, generally they are too far up their own business to notice.", ">\n\nDo you not clean them? I clean my earbuds pretty often and they look fine. Also, due to anxiety, I don’t like having both ears buds in so I can still listen to my surroundings. It’s a lot more comfortable to do that with earbuds than headphones. I know a lot more people who’ve never washed their headphones than people that don’t clean their earbuds.", ">\n\nI was in the same boat with anxiety and wearing one earbud. I recently got a pair with a \"talk through\" feature, and it changed everything. Now I can get stereo music, and hear my surroundings.", ">\n\nLove my headphones. Soft, comfortable and they keep my ears warm. Ear pods just pop out and you have to spend time finding them and putting them back in. Personal preference probably.", ">\n\nI wear glasses…headphones push my ear against the arm and it starts hurting pretty soon", ">\n\nThis really depends on your frames and the headphones. I have thin frames that work with just about any pair of headphones. But I also hate most ear covering ones as I have big ass ears.", ">\n\nI hate both, but I prefer ear buds most of the time.\nWearing headphones for too long makes my ears hurt and I can feel a bit disoriented for some reason. I'm not sure how, but I get car sick, so maybe that relates somehow. \nAnything that goes in my ear falls out constantly. I clean them regularly, but the little net that covers the hole (like a speaker) always seems to come out after a few cleaning attempts. The mic on them always seems to break as well. I go through them way too quickly. I do think you have a point, but I'm still going to use them.", ">\n\nA good pair I use let's you just buy new cables (including mic on the cable) the brand is KZ the actual speaker part of the earbuds just pop off so that you can replace the cable instead of the whole unit. Might be good for you since you wouldn't have to spend as much replacing them", ">\n\n\nMost people carry some sort of bag with them every day to most places.\n\nNo?", ">\n\nright? most...women? maybe? i'm not even sure most women are out there carrying purses anymore", ">\n\nI should be carrying a bag with me, but...", ">\n\nThere’s a Best Buy ad for ear buds right below this lol", ">\n\nHeadphones make my head ache and they look clubber-ish?", ">\n\nI clean my ear buds weekly, and clean my ears like twice a day 🤔😂", ">\n\nDo you ever clean your ears?", ">\n\nI totally love headphones over ear buds but headphones simply aren't as convenient to carry around.", ">\n\nClean ur ears once a week and u won’t have Tht problem", ">\n\nI sort of agree with this. I personally clean them regularly but I know people who have the grossest ear buds I have ever seen and make me feel sick every time I see them. So ya if you want the convenience of having them please for the sake of humanity, clean them!", ">\n\nI like them better for sports though", ">\n\nMe over here with nuraphones. :P", ">\n\nI didn’t know what that was so I looked it up… I’m so jealous bro. ✋😭", ">\n\nYea it's the best of both worlds sound wise imo. I wonder if OP knows there is this weird amalgam that these headphones earbud whatever's are XD", ">\n\nEar phones are “disgusting.” Lol", ">\n\nI hate in-ear headphones like poison. If you do have $3500 though, getting in-ear monitors is a great decision. \nI just can’t wait for a couple decades from now when people all have terrible hearing loss. My ENT says you shouldn’t even use Q-tips.", ">\n\nYou don't need to spend thousands on IEMs. I daily drive a pair of $75 Moondrop IEMs and they're really really good. Cable is durable as fuck.\nAlso, KZ and CCA make tons of IEMs that are under $100." ]

[ "the headphones’ ear pieces can be washed\n\nSo can ear phones.", ">\n\nThe little net thing is very deep inside the silicone with my ones", ">\n\nYou can usually pop the silicone off", ">\n\nEar \"poop\" . Good lord that's cringey", ">\n\nBut not inaccurate, metaphorically. I wear hearingaids, used to wear the in the canal kind and was forever clearing earwax out of the things and occasionally getting ear infections I believe caused by the wearing. If you ever need ear help go straight to the behind the ear type, much better machines, and if you are worried that people will stop and stare, nope, generally they are too far up their own business to notice.", ">\n\nDo you not clean them? I clean my earbuds pretty often and they look fine. Also, due to anxiety, I don’t like having both ears buds in so I can still listen to my surroundings. It’s a lot more comfortable to do that with earbuds than headphones. I know a lot more people who’ve never washed their headphones than people that don’t clean their earbuds.", ">\n\nI was in the same boat with anxiety and wearing one earbud. I recently got a pair with a \"talk through\" feature, and it changed everything. Now I can get stereo music, and hear my surroundings.", ">\n\nLove my headphones. Soft, comfortable and they keep my ears warm. Ear pods just pop out and you have to spend time finding them and putting them back in. Personal preference probably.", ">\n\nI wear glasses…headphones push my ear against the arm and it starts hurting pretty soon", ">\n\nThis really depends on your frames and the headphones. I have thin frames that work with just about any pair of headphones. But I also hate most ear covering ones as I have big ass ears.", ">\n\nI hate both, but I prefer ear buds most of the time.\nWearing headphones for too long makes my ears hurt and I can feel a bit disoriented for some reason. I'm not sure how, but I get car sick, so maybe that relates somehow. \nAnything that goes in my ear falls out constantly. I clean them regularly, but the little net that covers the hole (like a speaker) always seems to come out after a few cleaning attempts. The mic on them always seems to break as well. I go through them way too quickly. I do think you have a point, but I'm still going to use them.", ">\n\nA good pair I use let's you just buy new cables (including mic on the cable) the brand is KZ the actual speaker part of the earbuds just pop off so that you can replace the cable instead of the whole unit. Might be good for you since you wouldn't have to spend as much replacing them", ">\n\n\nMost people carry some sort of bag with them every day to most places.\n\nNo?", ">\n\nright? most...women? maybe? i'm not even sure most women are out there carrying purses anymore", ">\n\nI should be carrying a bag with me, but...", ">\n\nThere’s a Best Buy ad for ear buds right below this lol", ">\n\nHeadphones make my head ache and they look clubber-ish?", ">\n\nI clean my ear buds weekly, and clean my ears like twice a day 🤔😂", ">\n\nDo you ever clean your ears?", ">\n\nI totally love headphones over ear buds but headphones simply aren't as convenient to carry around.", ">\n\nClean ur ears once a week and u won’t have Tht problem", ">\n\nI sort of agree with this. I personally clean them regularly but I know people who have the grossest ear buds I have ever seen and make me feel sick every time I see them. So ya if you want the convenience of having them please for the sake of humanity, clean them!", ">\n\nI like them better for sports though", ">\n\nMe over here with nuraphones. :P", ">\n\nI didn’t know what that was so I looked it up… I’m so jealous bro. ✋😭", ">\n\nYea it's the best of both worlds sound wise imo. I wonder if OP knows there is this weird amalgam that these headphones earbud whatever's are XD", ">\n\nEar phones are “disgusting.” Lol", ">\n\nI hate in-ear headphones like poison. If you do have $3500 though, getting in-ear monitors is a great decision. \nI just can’t wait for a couple decades from now when people all have terrible hearing loss. My ENT says you shouldn’t even use Q-tips.", ">\n\nYou don't need to spend thousands on IEMs. I daily drive a pair of $75 Moondrop IEMs and they're really really good. Cable is durable as fuck.\nAlso, KZ and CCA make tons of IEMs that are under $100.", ">\n\nYeah I’m talking about models that are molded to the inside of your ear." ]

[ "the headphones’ ear pieces can be washed\n\nSo can ear phones.", ">\n\nThe little net thing is very deep inside the silicone with my ones", ">\n\nYou can usually pop the silicone off", ">\n\nEar \"poop\" . Good lord that's cringey", ">\n\nBut not inaccurate, metaphorically. I wear hearingaids, used to wear the in the canal kind and was forever clearing earwax out of the things and occasionally getting ear infections I believe caused by the wearing. If you ever need ear help go straight to the behind the ear type, much better machines, and if you are worried that people will stop and stare, nope, generally they are too far up their own business to notice.", ">\n\nDo you not clean them? I clean my earbuds pretty often and they look fine. Also, due to anxiety, I don’t like having both ears buds in so I can still listen to my surroundings. It’s a lot more comfortable to do that with earbuds than headphones. I know a lot more people who’ve never washed their headphones than people that don’t clean their earbuds.", ">\n\nI was in the same boat with anxiety and wearing one earbud. I recently got a pair with a \"talk through\" feature, and it changed everything. Now I can get stereo music, and hear my surroundings.", ">\n\nLove my headphones. Soft, comfortable and they keep my ears warm. Ear pods just pop out and you have to spend time finding them and putting them back in. Personal preference probably.", ">\n\nI wear glasses…headphones push my ear against the arm and it starts hurting pretty soon", ">\n\nThis really depends on your frames and the headphones. I have thin frames that work with just about any pair of headphones. But I also hate most ear covering ones as I have big ass ears.", ">\n\nI hate both, but I prefer ear buds most of the time.\nWearing headphones for too long makes my ears hurt and I can feel a bit disoriented for some reason. I'm not sure how, but I get car sick, so maybe that relates somehow. \nAnything that goes in my ear falls out constantly. I clean them regularly, but the little net that covers the hole (like a speaker) always seems to come out after a few cleaning attempts. The mic on them always seems to break as well. I go through them way too quickly. I do think you have a point, but I'm still going to use them.", ">\n\nA good pair I use let's you just buy new cables (including mic on the cable) the brand is KZ the actual speaker part of the earbuds just pop off so that you can replace the cable instead of the whole unit. Might be good for you since you wouldn't have to spend as much replacing them", ">\n\n\nMost people carry some sort of bag with them every day to most places.\n\nNo?", ">\n\nright? most...women? maybe? i'm not even sure most women are out there carrying purses anymore", ">\n\nI should be carrying a bag with me, but...", ">\n\nThere’s a Best Buy ad for ear buds right below this lol", ">\n\nHeadphones make my head ache and they look clubber-ish?", ">\n\nI clean my ear buds weekly, and clean my ears like twice a day 🤔😂", ">\n\nDo you ever clean your ears?", ">\n\nI totally love headphones over ear buds but headphones simply aren't as convenient to carry around.", ">\n\nClean ur ears once a week and u won’t have Tht problem", ">\n\nI sort of agree with this. I personally clean them regularly but I know people who have the grossest ear buds I have ever seen and make me feel sick every time I see them. So ya if you want the convenience of having them please for the sake of humanity, clean them!", ">\n\nI like them better for sports though", ">\n\nMe over here with nuraphones. :P", ">\n\nI didn’t know what that was so I looked it up… I’m so jealous bro. ✋😭", ">\n\nYea it's the best of both worlds sound wise imo. I wonder if OP knows there is this weird amalgam that these headphones earbud whatever's are XD", ">\n\nEar phones are “disgusting.” Lol", ">\n\nI hate in-ear headphones like poison. If you do have $3500 though, getting in-ear monitors is a great decision. \nI just can’t wait for a couple decades from now when people all have terrible hearing loss. My ENT says you shouldn’t even use Q-tips.", ">\n\nYou don't need to spend thousands on IEMs. I daily drive a pair of $75 Moondrop IEMs and they're really really good. Cable is durable as fuck.\nAlso, KZ and CCA make tons of IEMs that are under $100.", ">\n\nYeah I’m talking about models that are molded to the inside of your ear.", ">\n\nLord have mercy \"ear poop\" \nYou've made my day!" ]

[ "the headphones’ ear pieces can be washed\n\nSo can ear phones.", ">\n\nThe little net thing is very deep inside the silicone with my ones", ">\n\nYou can usually pop the silicone off", ">\n\nEar \"poop\" . Good lord that's cringey", ">\n\nBut not inaccurate, metaphorically. I wear hearingaids, used to wear the in the canal kind and was forever clearing earwax out of the things and occasionally getting ear infections I believe caused by the wearing. If you ever need ear help go straight to the behind the ear type, much better machines, and if you are worried that people will stop and stare, nope, generally they are too far up their own business to notice.", ">\n\nDo you not clean them? I clean my earbuds pretty often and they look fine. Also, due to anxiety, I don’t like having both ears buds in so I can still listen to my surroundings. It’s a lot more comfortable to do that with earbuds than headphones. I know a lot more people who’ve never washed their headphones than people that don’t clean their earbuds.", ">\n\nI was in the same boat with anxiety and wearing one earbud. I recently got a pair with a \"talk through\" feature, and it changed everything. Now I can get stereo music, and hear my surroundings.", ">\n\nLove my headphones. Soft, comfortable and they keep my ears warm. Ear pods just pop out and you have to spend time finding them and putting them back in. Personal preference probably.", ">\n\nI wear glasses…headphones push my ear against the arm and it starts hurting pretty soon", ">\n\nThis really depends on your frames and the headphones. I have thin frames that work with just about any pair of headphones. But I also hate most ear covering ones as I have big ass ears.", ">\n\nI hate both, but I prefer ear buds most of the time.\nWearing headphones for too long makes my ears hurt and I can feel a bit disoriented for some reason. I'm not sure how, but I get car sick, so maybe that relates somehow. \nAnything that goes in my ear falls out constantly. I clean them regularly, but the little net that covers the hole (like a speaker) always seems to come out after a few cleaning attempts. The mic on them always seems to break as well. I go through them way too quickly. I do think you have a point, but I'm still going to use them.", ">\n\nA good pair I use let's you just buy new cables (including mic on the cable) the brand is KZ the actual speaker part of the earbuds just pop off so that you can replace the cable instead of the whole unit. Might be good for you since you wouldn't have to spend as much replacing them", ">\n\n\nMost people carry some sort of bag with them every day to most places.\n\nNo?", ">\n\nright? most...women? maybe? i'm not even sure most women are out there carrying purses anymore", ">\n\nI should be carrying a bag with me, but...", ">\n\nThere’s a Best Buy ad for ear buds right below this lol", ">\n\nHeadphones make my head ache and they look clubber-ish?", ">\n\nI clean my ear buds weekly, and clean my ears like twice a day 🤔😂", ">\n\nDo you ever clean your ears?", ">\n\nI totally love headphones over ear buds but headphones simply aren't as convenient to carry around.", ">\n\nClean ur ears once a week and u won’t have Tht problem", ">\n\nI sort of agree with this. I personally clean them regularly but I know people who have the grossest ear buds I have ever seen and make me feel sick every time I see them. So ya if you want the convenience of having them please for the sake of humanity, clean them!", ">\n\nI like them better for sports though", ">\n\nMe over here with nuraphones. :P", ">\n\nI didn’t know what that was so I looked it up… I’m so jealous bro. ✋😭", ">\n\nYea it's the best of both worlds sound wise imo. I wonder if OP knows there is this weird amalgam that these headphones earbud whatever's are XD", ">\n\nEar phones are “disgusting.” Lol", ">\n\nI hate in-ear headphones like poison. If you do have $3500 though, getting in-ear monitors is a great decision. \nI just can’t wait for a couple decades from now when people all have terrible hearing loss. My ENT says you shouldn’t even use Q-tips.", ">\n\nYou don't need to spend thousands on IEMs. I daily drive a pair of $75 Moondrop IEMs and they're really really good. Cable is durable as fuck.\nAlso, KZ and CCA make tons of IEMs that are under $100.", ">\n\nYeah I’m talking about models that are molded to the inside of your ear.", ">\n\nLord have mercy \"ear poop\" \nYou've made my day!", ">\n\nThe least paranoid redditor" ]

[ "the headphones’ ear pieces can be washed\n\nSo can ear phones.", ">\n\nThe little net thing is very deep inside the silicone with my ones", ">\n\nYou can usually pop the silicone off", ">\n\nEar \"poop\" . Good lord that's cringey", ">\n\nBut not inaccurate, metaphorically. I wear hearingaids, used to wear the in the canal kind and was forever clearing earwax out of the things and occasionally getting ear infections I believe caused by the wearing. If you ever need ear help go straight to the behind the ear type, much better machines, and if you are worried that people will stop and stare, nope, generally they are too far up their own business to notice.", ">\n\nDo you not clean them? I clean my earbuds pretty often and they look fine. Also, due to anxiety, I don’t like having both ears buds in so I can still listen to my surroundings. It’s a lot more comfortable to do that with earbuds than headphones. I know a lot more people who’ve never washed their headphones than people that don’t clean their earbuds.", ">\n\nI was in the same boat with anxiety and wearing one earbud. I recently got a pair with a \"talk through\" feature, and it changed everything. Now I can get stereo music, and hear my surroundings.", ">\n\nLove my headphones. Soft, comfortable and they keep my ears warm. Ear pods just pop out and you have to spend time finding them and putting them back in. Personal preference probably.", ">\n\nI wear glasses…headphones push my ear against the arm and it starts hurting pretty soon", ">\n\nThis really depends on your frames and the headphones. I have thin frames that work with just about any pair of headphones. But I also hate most ear covering ones as I have big ass ears.", ">\n\nI hate both, but I prefer ear buds most of the time.\nWearing headphones for too long makes my ears hurt and I can feel a bit disoriented for some reason. I'm not sure how, but I get car sick, so maybe that relates somehow. \nAnything that goes in my ear falls out constantly. I clean them regularly, but the little net that covers the hole (like a speaker) always seems to come out after a few cleaning attempts. The mic on them always seems to break as well. I go through them way too quickly. I do think you have a point, but I'm still going to use them.", ">\n\nA good pair I use let's you just buy new cables (including mic on the cable) the brand is KZ the actual speaker part of the earbuds just pop off so that you can replace the cable instead of the whole unit. Might be good for you since you wouldn't have to spend as much replacing them", ">\n\n\nMost people carry some sort of bag with them every day to most places.\n\nNo?", ">\n\nright? most...women? maybe? i'm not even sure most women are out there carrying purses anymore", ">\n\nI should be carrying a bag with me, but...", ">\n\nThere’s a Best Buy ad for ear buds right below this lol", ">\n\nHeadphones make my head ache and they look clubber-ish?", ">\n\nI clean my ear buds weekly, and clean my ears like twice a day 🤔😂", ">\n\nDo you ever clean your ears?", ">\n\nI totally love headphones over ear buds but headphones simply aren't as convenient to carry around.", ">\n\nClean ur ears once a week and u won’t have Tht problem", ">\n\nI sort of agree with this. I personally clean them regularly but I know people who have the grossest ear buds I have ever seen and make me feel sick every time I see them. So ya if you want the convenience of having them please for the sake of humanity, clean them!", ">\n\nI like them better for sports though", ">\n\nMe over here with nuraphones. :P", ">\n\nI didn’t know what that was so I looked it up… I’m so jealous bro. ✋😭", ">\n\nYea it's the best of both worlds sound wise imo. I wonder if OP knows there is this weird amalgam that these headphones earbud whatever's are XD", ">\n\nEar phones are “disgusting.” Lol", ">\n\nI hate in-ear headphones like poison. If you do have $3500 though, getting in-ear monitors is a great decision. \nI just can’t wait for a couple decades from now when people all have terrible hearing loss. My ENT says you shouldn’t even use Q-tips.", ">\n\nYou don't need to spend thousands on IEMs. I daily drive a pair of $75 Moondrop IEMs and they're really really good. Cable is durable as fuck.\nAlso, KZ and CCA make tons of IEMs that are under $100.", ">\n\nYeah I’m talking about models that are molded to the inside of your ear.", ">\n\nLord have mercy \"ear poop\" \nYou've made my day!", ">\n\nThe least paranoid redditor", ">\n\nI think it depends on your ear shape. What if a company offered a custom fitting service for their earphones? Or some gel add ons to put on earpods? Actually that has to exist maybe it would help u\nNever was able to find one i like because they don't fit right and they're not comfortable." ]

[ "the headphones’ ear pieces can be washed\n\nSo can ear phones.", ">\n\nThe little net thing is very deep inside the silicone with my ones", ">\n\nYou can usually pop the silicone off", ">\n\nEar \"poop\" . Good lord that's cringey", ">\n\nBut not inaccurate, metaphorically. I wear hearingaids, used to wear the in the canal kind and was forever clearing earwax out of the things and occasionally getting ear infections I believe caused by the wearing. If you ever need ear help go straight to the behind the ear type, much better machines, and if you are worried that people will stop and stare, nope, generally they are too far up their own business to notice.", ">\n\nDo you not clean them? I clean my earbuds pretty often and they look fine. Also, due to anxiety, I don’t like having both ears buds in so I can still listen to my surroundings. It’s a lot more comfortable to do that with earbuds than headphones. I know a lot more people who’ve never washed their headphones than people that don’t clean their earbuds.", ">\n\nI was in the same boat with anxiety and wearing one earbud. I recently got a pair with a \"talk through\" feature, and it changed everything. Now I can get stereo music, and hear my surroundings.", ">\n\nLove my headphones. Soft, comfortable and they keep my ears warm. Ear pods just pop out and you have to spend time finding them and putting them back in. Personal preference probably.", ">\n\nI wear glasses…headphones push my ear against the arm and it starts hurting pretty soon", ">\n\nThis really depends on your frames and the headphones. I have thin frames that work with just about any pair of headphones. But I also hate most ear covering ones as I have big ass ears.", ">\n\nI hate both, but I prefer ear buds most of the time.\nWearing headphones for too long makes my ears hurt and I can feel a bit disoriented for some reason. I'm not sure how, but I get car sick, so maybe that relates somehow. \nAnything that goes in my ear falls out constantly. I clean them regularly, but the little net that covers the hole (like a speaker) always seems to come out after a few cleaning attempts. The mic on them always seems to break as well. I go through them way too quickly. I do think you have a point, but I'm still going to use them.", ">\n\nA good pair I use let's you just buy new cables (including mic on the cable) the brand is KZ the actual speaker part of the earbuds just pop off so that you can replace the cable instead of the whole unit. Might be good for you since you wouldn't have to spend as much replacing them", ">\n\n\nMost people carry some sort of bag with them every day to most places.\n\nNo?", ">\n\nright? most...women? maybe? i'm not even sure most women are out there carrying purses anymore", ">\n\nI should be carrying a bag with me, but...", ">\n\nThere’s a Best Buy ad for ear buds right below this lol", ">\n\nHeadphones make my head ache and they look clubber-ish?", ">\n\nI clean my ear buds weekly, and clean my ears like twice a day 🤔😂", ">\n\nDo you ever clean your ears?", ">\n\nI totally love headphones over ear buds but headphones simply aren't as convenient to carry around.", ">\n\nClean ur ears once a week and u won’t have Tht problem", ">\n\nI sort of agree with this. I personally clean them regularly but I know people who have the grossest ear buds I have ever seen and make me feel sick every time I see them. So ya if you want the convenience of having them please for the sake of humanity, clean them!", ">\n\nI like them better for sports though", ">\n\nMe over here with nuraphones. :P", ">\n\nI didn’t know what that was so I looked it up… I’m so jealous bro. ✋😭", ">\n\nYea it's the best of both worlds sound wise imo. I wonder if OP knows there is this weird amalgam that these headphones earbud whatever's are XD", ">\n\nEar phones are “disgusting.” Lol", ">\n\nI hate in-ear headphones like poison. If you do have $3500 though, getting in-ear monitors is a great decision. \nI just can’t wait for a couple decades from now when people all have terrible hearing loss. My ENT says you shouldn’t even use Q-tips.", ">\n\nYou don't need to spend thousands on IEMs. I daily drive a pair of $75 Moondrop IEMs and they're really really good. Cable is durable as fuck.\nAlso, KZ and CCA make tons of IEMs that are under $100.", ">\n\nYeah I’m talking about models that are molded to the inside of your ear.", ">\n\nLord have mercy \"ear poop\" \nYou've made my day!", ">\n\nThe least paranoid redditor", ">\n\nI think it depends on your ear shape. What if a company offered a custom fitting service for their earphones? Or some gel add ons to put on earpods? Actually that has to exist maybe it would help u\nNever was able to find one i like because they don't fit right and they're not comfortable.", ">\n\nOne sneaky benefit to ear phones is that they’re a good test for how clean your ears are. If you see any “ear poop” on them, you haven’t done a good enough job!\nAlso you can clean it off, like a toothbrush for example." ]

[ "the headphones’ ear pieces can be washed\n\nSo can ear phones.", ">\n\nThe little net thing is very deep inside the silicone with my ones", ">\n\nYou can usually pop the silicone off", ">\n\nEar \"poop\" . Good lord that's cringey", ">\n\nBut not inaccurate, metaphorically. I wear hearingaids, used to wear the in the canal kind and was forever clearing earwax out of the things and occasionally getting ear infections I believe caused by the wearing. If you ever need ear help go straight to the behind the ear type, much better machines, and if you are worried that people will stop and stare, nope, generally they are too far up their own business to notice.", ">\n\nDo you not clean them? I clean my earbuds pretty often and they look fine. Also, due to anxiety, I don’t like having both ears buds in so I can still listen to my surroundings. It’s a lot more comfortable to do that with earbuds than headphones. I know a lot more people who’ve never washed their headphones than people that don’t clean their earbuds.", ">\n\nI was in the same boat with anxiety and wearing one earbud. I recently got a pair with a \"talk through\" feature, and it changed everything. Now I can get stereo music, and hear my surroundings.", ">\n\nLove my headphones. Soft, comfortable and they keep my ears warm. Ear pods just pop out and you have to spend time finding them and putting them back in. Personal preference probably.", ">\n\nI wear glasses…headphones push my ear against the arm and it starts hurting pretty soon", ">\n\nThis really depends on your frames and the headphones. I have thin frames that work with just about any pair of headphones. But I also hate most ear covering ones as I have big ass ears.", ">\n\nI hate both, but I prefer ear buds most of the time.\nWearing headphones for too long makes my ears hurt and I can feel a bit disoriented for some reason. I'm not sure how, but I get car sick, so maybe that relates somehow. \nAnything that goes in my ear falls out constantly. I clean them regularly, but the little net that covers the hole (like a speaker) always seems to come out after a few cleaning attempts. The mic on them always seems to break as well. I go through them way too quickly. I do think you have a point, but I'm still going to use them.", ">\n\nA good pair I use let's you just buy new cables (including mic on the cable) the brand is KZ the actual speaker part of the earbuds just pop off so that you can replace the cable instead of the whole unit. Might be good for you since you wouldn't have to spend as much replacing them", ">\n\n\nMost people carry some sort of bag with them every day to most places.\n\nNo?", ">\n\nright? most...women? maybe? i'm not even sure most women are out there carrying purses anymore", ">\n\nI should be carrying a bag with me, but...", ">\n\nThere’s a Best Buy ad for ear buds right below this lol", ">\n\nHeadphones make my head ache and they look clubber-ish?", ">\n\nI clean my ear buds weekly, and clean my ears like twice a day 🤔😂", ">\n\nDo you ever clean your ears?", ">\n\nI totally love headphones over ear buds but headphones simply aren't as convenient to carry around.", ">\n\nClean ur ears once a week and u won’t have Tht problem", ">\n\nI sort of agree with this. I personally clean them regularly but I know people who have the grossest ear buds I have ever seen and make me feel sick every time I see them. So ya if you want the convenience of having them please for the sake of humanity, clean them!", ">\n\nI like them better for sports though", ">\n\nMe over here with nuraphones. :P", ">\n\nI didn’t know what that was so I looked it up… I’m so jealous bro. ✋😭", ">\n\nYea it's the best of both worlds sound wise imo. I wonder if OP knows there is this weird amalgam that these headphones earbud whatever's are XD", ">\n\nEar phones are “disgusting.” Lol", ">\n\nI hate in-ear headphones like poison. If you do have $3500 though, getting in-ear monitors is a great decision. \nI just can’t wait for a couple decades from now when people all have terrible hearing loss. My ENT says you shouldn’t even use Q-tips.", ">\n\nYou don't need to spend thousands on IEMs. I daily drive a pair of $75 Moondrop IEMs and they're really really good. Cable is durable as fuck.\nAlso, KZ and CCA make tons of IEMs that are under $100.", ">\n\nYeah I’m talking about models that are molded to the inside of your ear.", ">\n\nLord have mercy \"ear poop\" \nYou've made my day!", ">\n\nThe least paranoid redditor", ">\n\nI think it depends on your ear shape. What if a company offered a custom fitting service for their earphones? Or some gel add ons to put on earpods? Actually that has to exist maybe it would help u\nNever was able to find one i like because they don't fit right and they're not comfortable.", ">\n\nOne sneaky benefit to ear phones is that they’re a good test for how clean your ears are. If you see any “ear poop” on them, you haven’t done a good enough job!\nAlso you can clean it off, like a toothbrush for example.", ">\n\nI agree with you that earphones are objectively bad for your health. One clear issue is tinnitus. Another is the fact that most earbuds are evolving to be noise canceling, which sounds great at face value. However, this creates a new issue: pressure. I wore my AirPods Pro’s well, a lot. Too much. I now have permanent damage to my ears and discomfort as the pressure in my ears will never be the same. I cannot wait to invest in headphones." ]

[ "the headphones’ ear pieces can be washed\n\nSo can ear phones.", ">\n\nThe little net thing is very deep inside the silicone with my ones", ">\n\nYou can usually pop the silicone off", ">\n\nEar \"poop\" . Good lord that's cringey", ">\n\nBut not inaccurate, metaphorically. I wear hearingaids, used to wear the in the canal kind and was forever clearing earwax out of the things and occasionally getting ear infections I believe caused by the wearing. If you ever need ear help go straight to the behind the ear type, much better machines, and if you are worried that people will stop and stare, nope, generally they are too far up their own business to notice.", ">\n\nDo you not clean them? I clean my earbuds pretty often and they look fine. Also, due to anxiety, I don’t like having both ears buds in so I can still listen to my surroundings. It’s a lot more comfortable to do that with earbuds than headphones. I know a lot more people who’ve never washed their headphones than people that don’t clean their earbuds.", ">\n\nI was in the same boat with anxiety and wearing one earbud. I recently got a pair with a \"talk through\" feature, and it changed everything. Now I can get stereo music, and hear my surroundings.", ">\n\nLove my headphones. Soft, comfortable and they keep my ears warm. Ear pods just pop out and you have to spend time finding them and putting them back in. Personal preference probably.", ">\n\nI wear glasses…headphones push my ear against the arm and it starts hurting pretty soon", ">\n\nThis really depends on your frames and the headphones. I have thin frames that work with just about any pair of headphones. But I also hate most ear covering ones as I have big ass ears.", ">\n\nI hate both, but I prefer ear buds most of the time.\nWearing headphones for too long makes my ears hurt and I can feel a bit disoriented for some reason. I'm not sure how, but I get car sick, so maybe that relates somehow. \nAnything that goes in my ear falls out constantly. I clean them regularly, but the little net that covers the hole (like a speaker) always seems to come out after a few cleaning attempts. The mic on them always seems to break as well. I go through them way too quickly. I do think you have a point, but I'm still going to use them.", ">\n\nA good pair I use let's you just buy new cables (including mic on the cable) the brand is KZ the actual speaker part of the earbuds just pop off so that you can replace the cable instead of the whole unit. Might be good for you since you wouldn't have to spend as much replacing them", ">\n\n\nMost people carry some sort of bag with them every day to most places.\n\nNo?", ">\n\nright? most...women? maybe? i'm not even sure most women are out there carrying purses anymore", ">\n\nI should be carrying a bag with me, but...", ">\n\nThere’s a Best Buy ad for ear buds right below this lol", ">\n\nHeadphones make my head ache and they look clubber-ish?", ">\n\nI clean my ear buds weekly, and clean my ears like twice a day 🤔😂", ">\n\nDo you ever clean your ears?", ">\n\nI totally love headphones over ear buds but headphones simply aren't as convenient to carry around.", ">\n\nClean ur ears once a week and u won’t have Tht problem", ">\n\nI sort of agree with this. I personally clean them regularly but I know people who have the grossest ear buds I have ever seen and make me feel sick every time I see them. So ya if you want the convenience of having them please for the sake of humanity, clean them!", ">\n\nI like them better for sports though", ">\n\nMe over here with nuraphones. :P", ">\n\nI didn’t know what that was so I looked it up… I’m so jealous bro. ✋😭", ">\n\nYea it's the best of both worlds sound wise imo. I wonder if OP knows there is this weird amalgam that these headphones earbud whatever's are XD", ">\n\nEar phones are “disgusting.” Lol", ">\n\nI hate in-ear headphones like poison. If you do have $3500 though, getting in-ear monitors is a great decision. \nI just can’t wait for a couple decades from now when people all have terrible hearing loss. My ENT says you shouldn’t even use Q-tips.", ">\n\nYou don't need to spend thousands on IEMs. I daily drive a pair of $75 Moondrop IEMs and they're really really good. Cable is durable as fuck.\nAlso, KZ and CCA make tons of IEMs that are under $100.", ">\n\nYeah I’m talking about models that are molded to the inside of your ear.", ">\n\nLord have mercy \"ear poop\" \nYou've made my day!", ">\n\nThe least paranoid redditor", ">\n\nI think it depends on your ear shape. What if a company offered a custom fitting service for their earphones? Or some gel add ons to put on earpods? Actually that has to exist maybe it would help u\nNever was able to find one i like because they don't fit right and they're not comfortable.", ">\n\nOne sneaky benefit to ear phones is that they’re a good test for how clean your ears are. If you see any “ear poop” on them, you haven’t done a good enough job!\nAlso you can clean it off, like a toothbrush for example.", ">\n\nI agree with you that earphones are objectively bad for your health. One clear issue is tinnitus. Another is the fact that most earbuds are evolving to be noise canceling, which sounds great at face value. However, this creates a new issue: pressure. I wore my AirPods Pro’s well, a lot. Too much. I now have permanent damage to my ears and discomfort as the pressure in my ears will never be the same. I cannot wait to invest in headphones.", ">\n\nI use bone conduction headphones. I can’t stand stuff in or over my ears!" ]

[ "the headphones’ ear pieces can be washed\n\nSo can ear phones.", ">\n\nThe little net thing is very deep inside the silicone with my ones", ">\n\nYou can usually pop the silicone off", ">\n\nEar \"poop\" . Good lord that's cringey", ">\n\nBut not inaccurate, metaphorically. I wear hearingaids, used to wear the in the canal kind and was forever clearing earwax out of the things and occasionally getting ear infections I believe caused by the wearing. If you ever need ear help go straight to the behind the ear type, much better machines, and if you are worried that people will stop and stare, nope, generally they are too far up their own business to notice.", ">\n\nDo you not clean them? I clean my earbuds pretty often and they look fine. Also, due to anxiety, I don’t like having both ears buds in so I can still listen to my surroundings. It’s a lot more comfortable to do that with earbuds than headphones. I know a lot more people who’ve never washed their headphones than people that don’t clean their earbuds.", ">\n\nI was in the same boat with anxiety and wearing one earbud. I recently got a pair with a \"talk through\" feature, and it changed everything. Now I can get stereo music, and hear my surroundings.", ">\n\nLove my headphones. Soft, comfortable and they keep my ears warm. Ear pods just pop out and you have to spend time finding them and putting them back in. Personal preference probably.", ">\n\nI wear glasses…headphones push my ear against the arm and it starts hurting pretty soon", ">\n\nThis really depends on your frames and the headphones. I have thin frames that work with just about any pair of headphones. But I also hate most ear covering ones as I have big ass ears.", ">\n\nI hate both, but I prefer ear buds most of the time.\nWearing headphones for too long makes my ears hurt and I can feel a bit disoriented for some reason. I'm not sure how, but I get car sick, so maybe that relates somehow. \nAnything that goes in my ear falls out constantly. I clean them regularly, but the little net that covers the hole (like a speaker) always seems to come out after a few cleaning attempts. The mic on them always seems to break as well. I go through them way too quickly. I do think you have a point, but I'm still going to use them.", ">\n\nA good pair I use let's you just buy new cables (including mic on the cable) the brand is KZ the actual speaker part of the earbuds just pop off so that you can replace the cable instead of the whole unit. Might be good for you since you wouldn't have to spend as much replacing them", ">\n\n\nMost people carry some sort of bag with them every day to most places.\n\nNo?", ">\n\nright? most...women? maybe? i'm not even sure most women are out there carrying purses anymore", ">\n\nI should be carrying a bag with me, but...", ">\n\nThere’s a Best Buy ad for ear buds right below this lol", ">\n\nHeadphones make my head ache and they look clubber-ish?", ">\n\nI clean my ear buds weekly, and clean my ears like twice a day 🤔😂", ">\n\nDo you ever clean your ears?", ">\n\nI totally love headphones over ear buds but headphones simply aren't as convenient to carry around.", ">\n\nClean ur ears once a week and u won’t have Tht problem", ">\n\nI sort of agree with this. I personally clean them regularly but I know people who have the grossest ear buds I have ever seen and make me feel sick every time I see them. So ya if you want the convenience of having them please for the sake of humanity, clean them!", ">\n\nI like them better for sports though", ">\n\nMe over here with nuraphones. :P", ">\n\nI didn’t know what that was so I looked it up… I’m so jealous bro. ✋😭", ">\n\nYea it's the best of both worlds sound wise imo. I wonder if OP knows there is this weird amalgam that these headphones earbud whatever's are XD", ">\n\nEar phones are “disgusting.” Lol", ">\n\nI hate in-ear headphones like poison. If you do have $3500 though, getting in-ear monitors is a great decision. \nI just can’t wait for a couple decades from now when people all have terrible hearing loss. My ENT says you shouldn’t even use Q-tips.", ">\n\nYou don't need to spend thousands on IEMs. I daily drive a pair of $75 Moondrop IEMs and they're really really good. Cable is durable as fuck.\nAlso, KZ and CCA make tons of IEMs that are under $100.", ">\n\nYeah I’m talking about models that are molded to the inside of your ear.", ">\n\nLord have mercy \"ear poop\" \nYou've made my day!", ">\n\nThe least paranoid redditor", ">\n\nI think it depends on your ear shape. What if a company offered a custom fitting service for their earphones? Or some gel add ons to put on earpods? Actually that has to exist maybe it would help u\nNever was able to find one i like because they don't fit right and they're not comfortable.", ">\n\nOne sneaky benefit to ear phones is that they’re a good test for how clean your ears are. If you see any “ear poop” on them, you haven’t done a good enough job!\nAlso you can clean it off, like a toothbrush for example.", ">\n\nI agree with you that earphones are objectively bad for your health. One clear issue is tinnitus. Another is the fact that most earbuds are evolving to be noise canceling, which sounds great at face value. However, this creates a new issue: pressure. I wore my AirPods Pro’s well, a lot. Too much. I now have permanent damage to my ears and discomfort as the pressure in my ears will never be the same. I cannot wait to invest in headphones.", ">\n\nI use bone conduction headphones. I can’t stand stuff in or over my ears!", ">\n\nAs someone who’s been using headphones for years, I can confidently say, if you don’t want a dent In your head go ahead and use earbuds. But both me and my sister have a dent across the top of our head from our headphones. For a few reasons they work much better for me than earbuds." ]

[ "the headphones’ ear pieces can be washed\n\nSo can ear phones.", ">\n\nThe little net thing is very deep inside the silicone with my ones", ">\n\nYou can usually pop the silicone off", ">\n\nEar \"poop\" . Good lord that's cringey", ">\n\nBut not inaccurate, metaphorically. I wear hearingaids, used to wear the in the canal kind and was forever clearing earwax out of the things and occasionally getting ear infections I believe caused by the wearing. If you ever need ear help go straight to the behind the ear type, much better machines, and if you are worried that people will stop and stare, nope, generally they are too far up their own business to notice.", ">\n\nDo you not clean them? I clean my earbuds pretty often and they look fine. Also, due to anxiety, I don’t like having both ears buds in so I can still listen to my surroundings. It’s a lot more comfortable to do that with earbuds than headphones. I know a lot more people who’ve never washed their headphones than people that don’t clean their earbuds.", ">\n\nI was in the same boat with anxiety and wearing one earbud. I recently got a pair with a \"talk through\" feature, and it changed everything. Now I can get stereo music, and hear my surroundings.", ">\n\nLove my headphones. Soft, comfortable and they keep my ears warm. Ear pods just pop out and you have to spend time finding them and putting them back in. Personal preference probably.", ">\n\nI wear glasses…headphones push my ear against the arm and it starts hurting pretty soon", ">\n\nThis really depends on your frames and the headphones. I have thin frames that work with just about any pair of headphones. But I also hate most ear covering ones as I have big ass ears.", ">\n\nI hate both, but I prefer ear buds most of the time.\nWearing headphones for too long makes my ears hurt and I can feel a bit disoriented for some reason. I'm not sure how, but I get car sick, so maybe that relates somehow. \nAnything that goes in my ear falls out constantly. I clean them regularly, but the little net that covers the hole (like a speaker) always seems to come out after a few cleaning attempts. The mic on them always seems to break as well. I go through them way too quickly. I do think you have a point, but I'm still going to use them.", ">\n\nA good pair I use let's you just buy new cables (including mic on the cable) the brand is KZ the actual speaker part of the earbuds just pop off so that you can replace the cable instead of the whole unit. Might be good for you since you wouldn't have to spend as much replacing them", ">\n\n\nMost people carry some sort of bag with them every day to most places.\n\nNo?", ">\n\nright? most...women? maybe? i'm not even sure most women are out there carrying purses anymore", ">\n\nI should be carrying a bag with me, but...", ">\n\nThere’s a Best Buy ad for ear buds right below this lol", ">\n\nHeadphones make my head ache and they look clubber-ish?", ">\n\nI clean my ear buds weekly, and clean my ears like twice a day 🤔😂", ">\n\nDo you ever clean your ears?", ">\n\nI totally love headphones over ear buds but headphones simply aren't as convenient to carry around.", ">\n\nClean ur ears once a week and u won’t have Tht problem", ">\n\nI sort of agree with this. I personally clean them regularly but I know people who have the grossest ear buds I have ever seen and make me feel sick every time I see them. So ya if you want the convenience of having them please for the sake of humanity, clean them!", ">\n\nI like them better for sports though", ">\n\nMe over here with nuraphones. :P", ">\n\nI didn’t know what that was so I looked it up… I’m so jealous bro. ✋😭", ">\n\nYea it's the best of both worlds sound wise imo. I wonder if OP knows there is this weird amalgam that these headphones earbud whatever's are XD", ">\n\nEar phones are “disgusting.” Lol", ">\n\nI hate in-ear headphones like poison. If you do have $3500 though, getting in-ear monitors is a great decision. \nI just can’t wait for a couple decades from now when people all have terrible hearing loss. My ENT says you shouldn’t even use Q-tips.", ">\n\nYou don't need to spend thousands on IEMs. I daily drive a pair of $75 Moondrop IEMs and they're really really good. Cable is durable as fuck.\nAlso, KZ and CCA make tons of IEMs that are under $100.", ">\n\nYeah I’m talking about models that are molded to the inside of your ear.", ">\n\nLord have mercy \"ear poop\" \nYou've made my day!", ">\n\nThe least paranoid redditor", ">\n\nI think it depends on your ear shape. What if a company offered a custom fitting service for their earphones? Or some gel add ons to put on earpods? Actually that has to exist maybe it would help u\nNever was able to find one i like because they don't fit right and they're not comfortable.", ">\n\nOne sneaky benefit to ear phones is that they’re a good test for how clean your ears are. If you see any “ear poop” on them, you haven’t done a good enough job!\nAlso you can clean it off, like a toothbrush for example.", ">\n\nI agree with you that earphones are objectively bad for your health. One clear issue is tinnitus. Another is the fact that most earbuds are evolving to be noise canceling, which sounds great at face value. However, this creates a new issue: pressure. I wore my AirPods Pro’s well, a lot. Too much. I now have permanent damage to my ears and discomfort as the pressure in my ears will never be the same. I cannot wait to invest in headphones.", ">\n\nI use bone conduction headphones. I can’t stand stuff in or over my ears!", ">\n\nAs someone who’s been using headphones for years, I can confidently say, if you don’t want a dent In your head go ahead and use earbuds. But both me and my sister have a dent across the top of our head from our headphones. For a few reasons they work much better for me than earbuds.", ">\n\nBeing an east Asian has the advantage of having dry ears. I just have to swab my ears after shower and my ear canals are spotless." ]

[ "the headphones’ ear pieces can be washed\n\nSo can ear phones.", ">\n\nThe little net thing is very deep inside the silicone with my ones", ">\n\nYou can usually pop the silicone off", ">\n\nEar \"poop\" . Good lord that's cringey", ">\n\nBut not inaccurate, metaphorically. I wear hearingaids, used to wear the in the canal kind and was forever clearing earwax out of the things and occasionally getting ear infections I believe caused by the wearing. If you ever need ear help go straight to the behind the ear type, much better machines, and if you are worried that people will stop and stare, nope, generally they are too far up their own business to notice.", ">\n\nDo you not clean them? I clean my earbuds pretty often and they look fine. Also, due to anxiety, I don’t like having both ears buds in so I can still listen to my surroundings. It’s a lot more comfortable to do that with earbuds than headphones. I know a lot more people who’ve never washed their headphones than people that don’t clean their earbuds.", ">\n\nI was in the same boat with anxiety and wearing one earbud. I recently got a pair with a \"talk through\" feature, and it changed everything. Now I can get stereo music, and hear my surroundings.", ">\n\nLove my headphones. Soft, comfortable and they keep my ears warm. Ear pods just pop out and you have to spend time finding them and putting them back in. Personal preference probably.", ">\n\nI wear glasses…headphones push my ear against the arm and it starts hurting pretty soon", ">\n\nThis really depends on your frames and the headphones. I have thin frames that work with just about any pair of headphones. But I also hate most ear covering ones as I have big ass ears.", ">\n\nI hate both, but I prefer ear buds most of the time.\nWearing headphones for too long makes my ears hurt and I can feel a bit disoriented for some reason. I'm not sure how, but I get car sick, so maybe that relates somehow. \nAnything that goes in my ear falls out constantly. I clean them regularly, but the little net that covers the hole (like a speaker) always seems to come out after a few cleaning attempts. The mic on them always seems to break as well. I go through them way too quickly. I do think you have a point, but I'm still going to use them.", ">\n\nA good pair I use let's you just buy new cables (including mic on the cable) the brand is KZ the actual speaker part of the earbuds just pop off so that you can replace the cable instead of the whole unit. Might be good for you since you wouldn't have to spend as much replacing them", ">\n\n\nMost people carry some sort of bag with them every day to most places.\n\nNo?", ">\n\nright? most...women? maybe? i'm not even sure most women are out there carrying purses anymore", ">\n\nI should be carrying a bag with me, but...", ">\n\nThere’s a Best Buy ad for ear buds right below this lol", ">\n\nHeadphones make my head ache and they look clubber-ish?", ">\n\nI clean my ear buds weekly, and clean my ears like twice a day 🤔😂", ">\n\nDo you ever clean your ears?", ">\n\nI totally love headphones over ear buds but headphones simply aren't as convenient to carry around.", ">\n\nClean ur ears once a week and u won’t have Tht problem", ">\n\nI sort of agree with this. I personally clean them regularly but I know people who have the grossest ear buds I have ever seen and make me feel sick every time I see them. So ya if you want the convenience of having them please for the sake of humanity, clean them!", ">\n\nI like them better for sports though", ">\n\nMe over here with nuraphones. :P", ">\n\nI didn’t know what that was so I looked it up… I’m so jealous bro. ✋😭", ">\n\nYea it's the best of both worlds sound wise imo. I wonder if OP knows there is this weird amalgam that these headphones earbud whatever's are XD", ">\n\nEar phones are “disgusting.” Lol", ">\n\nI hate in-ear headphones like poison. If you do have $3500 though, getting in-ear monitors is a great decision. \nI just can’t wait for a couple decades from now when people all have terrible hearing loss. My ENT says you shouldn’t even use Q-tips.", ">\n\nYou don't need to spend thousands on IEMs. I daily drive a pair of $75 Moondrop IEMs and they're really really good. Cable is durable as fuck.\nAlso, KZ and CCA make tons of IEMs that are under $100.", ">\n\nYeah I’m talking about models that are molded to the inside of your ear.", ">\n\nLord have mercy \"ear poop\" \nYou've made my day!", ">\n\nThe least paranoid redditor", ">\n\nI think it depends on your ear shape. What if a company offered a custom fitting service for their earphones? Or some gel add ons to put on earpods? Actually that has to exist maybe it would help u\nNever was able to find one i like because they don't fit right and they're not comfortable.", ">\n\nOne sneaky benefit to ear phones is that they’re a good test for how clean your ears are. If you see any “ear poop” on them, you haven’t done a good enough job!\nAlso you can clean it off, like a toothbrush for example.", ">\n\nI agree with you that earphones are objectively bad for your health. One clear issue is tinnitus. Another is the fact that most earbuds are evolving to be noise canceling, which sounds great at face value. However, this creates a new issue: pressure. I wore my AirPods Pro’s well, a lot. Too much. I now have permanent damage to my ears and discomfort as the pressure in my ears will never be the same. I cannot wait to invest in headphones.", ">\n\nI use bone conduction headphones. I can’t stand stuff in or over my ears!", ">\n\nAs someone who’s been using headphones for years, I can confidently say, if you don’t want a dent In your head go ahead and use earbuds. But both me and my sister have a dent across the top of our head from our headphones. For a few reasons they work much better for me than earbuds.", ">\n\nBeing an east Asian has the advantage of having dry ears. I just have to swab my ears after shower and my ear canals are spotless.", ">\n\nNo I agree, I actually got a few ear infections by not regularly cleaning them as much as I should have when I was younger. I can’t wear them anymore because I really don’t want anymore ear infections." ]

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[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people." ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol." ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself" ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police." ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet." ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see." ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day…." ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size." ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure" ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming." ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?" ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material." ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though." ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?" ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?", ">\n\nIf someone made either of these two suggested responses to his bait:\n\nYea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk? \nI am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nthey are being drawn in to his conversation. Taking his bait. \nHer actual response, by contrast, was dismissive, saying \"you're not worth conversing with\". That's a bigger take-down, and ended up baiting him so badly that he got himself arrested." ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?", ">\n\nIf someone made either of these two suggested responses to his bait:\n\nYea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk? \nI am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nthey are being drawn in to his conversation. Taking his bait. \nHer actual response, by contrast, was dismissive, saying \"you're not worth conversing with\". That's a bigger take-down, and ended up baiting him so badly that he got himself arrested.", ">\n\nThat's just a low energy response like \"No you.\"" ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?", ">\n\nIf someone made either of these two suggested responses to his bait:\n\nYea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk? \nI am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nthey are being drawn in to his conversation. Taking his bait. \nHer actual response, by contrast, was dismissive, saying \"you're not worth conversing with\". That's a bigger take-down, and ended up baiting him so badly that he got himself arrested.", ">\n\nThat's just a low energy response like \"No you.\"", ">\n\nIt was clearly effective against him, what more do you want?\nA high energy response says \"you're worth the energy\". Clearly, though, Andrew Tate is not." ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?", ">\n\nIf someone made either of these two suggested responses to his bait:\n\nYea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk? \nI am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nthey are being drawn in to his conversation. Taking his bait. \nHer actual response, by contrast, was dismissive, saying \"you're not worth conversing with\". That's a bigger take-down, and ended up baiting him so badly that he got himself arrested.", ">\n\nThat's just a low energy response like \"No you.\"", ">\n\nIt was clearly effective against him, what more do you want?\nA high energy response says \"you're worth the energy\". Clearly, though, Andrew Tate is not.", ">\n\nI don't think it was effective though. I don't believe he responded because:\n\"oh no my feeling are hurt now I gotta say something mean back!\"\nI think he responded because...\n\"I like my name on the headlines... Gimme more headlines! I love to be the center of attention! Me me me me me!\"" ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?", ">\n\nIf someone made either of these two suggested responses to his bait:\n\nYea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk? \nI am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nthey are being drawn in to his conversation. Taking his bait. \nHer actual response, by contrast, was dismissive, saying \"you're not worth conversing with\". That's a bigger take-down, and ended up baiting him so badly that he got himself arrested.", ">\n\nThat's just a low energy response like \"No you.\"", ">\n\nIt was clearly effective against him, what more do you want?\nA high energy response says \"you're worth the energy\". Clearly, though, Andrew Tate is not.", ">\n\nI don't think it was effective though. I don't believe he responded because:\n\"oh no my feeling are hurt now I gotta say something mean back!\"\nI think he responded because...\n\"I like my name on the headlines... Gimme more headlines! I love to be the center of attention! Me me me me me!\"", ">\n\nTo determine if something is effective, you need to look at the effect, which is that Andrew Tate is under arrest." ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?", ">\n\nIf someone made either of these two suggested responses to his bait:\n\nYea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk? \nI am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nthey are being drawn in to his conversation. Taking his bait. \nHer actual response, by contrast, was dismissive, saying \"you're not worth conversing with\". That's a bigger take-down, and ended up baiting him so badly that he got himself arrested.", ">\n\nThat's just a low energy response like \"No you.\"", ">\n\nIt was clearly effective against him, what more do you want?\nA high energy response says \"you're worth the energy\". Clearly, though, Andrew Tate is not.", ">\n\nI don't think it was effective though. I don't believe he responded because:\n\"oh no my feeling are hurt now I gotta say something mean back!\"\nI think he responded because...\n\"I like my name on the headlines... Gimme more headlines! I love to be the center of attention! Me me me me me!\"", ">\n\nTo determine if something is effective, you need to look at the effect, which is that Andrew Tate is under arrest.", ">\n\nbro look at the news... he def got owned." ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?", ">\n\nIf someone made either of these two suggested responses to his bait:\n\nYea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk? \nI am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nthey are being drawn in to his conversation. Taking his bait. \nHer actual response, by contrast, was dismissive, saying \"you're not worth conversing with\". That's a bigger take-down, and ended up baiting him so badly that he got himself arrested.", ">\n\nThat's just a low energy response like \"No you.\"", ">\n\nIt was clearly effective against him, what more do you want?\nA high energy response says \"you're worth the energy\". Clearly, though, Andrew Tate is not.", ">\n\nI don't think it was effective though. I don't believe he responded because:\n\"oh no my feeling are hurt now I gotta say something mean back!\"\nI think he responded because...\n\"I like my name on the headlines... Gimme more headlines! I love to be the center of attention! Me me me me me!\"", ">\n\nTo determine if something is effective, you need to look at the effect, which is that Andrew Tate is under arrest.", ">\n\nbro look at the news... he def got owned.", ">\n\nHe was owned by the police arresting him. Not by Greta" ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?", ">\n\nIf someone made either of these two suggested responses to his bait:\n\nYea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk? \nI am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nthey are being drawn in to his conversation. Taking his bait. \nHer actual response, by contrast, was dismissive, saying \"you're not worth conversing with\". That's a bigger take-down, and ended up baiting him so badly that he got himself arrested.", ">\n\nThat's just a low energy response like \"No you.\"", ">\n\nIt was clearly effective against him, what more do you want?\nA high energy response says \"you're worth the energy\". Clearly, though, Andrew Tate is not.", ">\n\nI don't think it was effective though. I don't believe he responded because:\n\"oh no my feeling are hurt now I gotta say something mean back!\"\nI think he responded because...\n\"I like my name on the headlines... Gimme more headlines! I love to be the center of attention! Me me me me me!\"", ">\n\nTo determine if something is effective, you need to look at the effect, which is that Andrew Tate is under arrest.", ">\n\nbro look at the news... he def got owned.", ">\n\nHe was owned by the police arresting him. Not by Greta", ">\n\nIf anything it was a self-own, because his own histrionic reaction to literally the mildest of taunts from a teenager online led police directly to his door." ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?", ">\n\nIf someone made either of these two suggested responses to his bait:\n\nYea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk? \nI am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nthey are being drawn in to his conversation. Taking his bait. \nHer actual response, by contrast, was dismissive, saying \"you're not worth conversing with\". That's a bigger take-down, and ended up baiting him so badly that he got himself arrested.", ">\n\nThat's just a low energy response like \"No you.\"", ">\n\nIt was clearly effective against him, what more do you want?\nA high energy response says \"you're worth the energy\". Clearly, though, Andrew Tate is not.", ">\n\nI don't think it was effective though. I don't believe he responded because:\n\"oh no my feeling are hurt now I gotta say something mean back!\"\nI think he responded because...\n\"I like my name on the headlines... Gimme more headlines! I love to be the center of attention! Me me me me me!\"", ">\n\nTo determine if something is effective, you need to look at the effect, which is that Andrew Tate is under arrest.", ">\n\nbro look at the news... he def got owned.", ">\n\nHe was owned by the police arresting him. Not by Greta", ">\n\nIf anything it was a self-own, because his own histrionic reaction to literally the mildest of taunts from a teenager online led police directly to his door.", ">\n\nIs there proof that him tweeting about Greta led police directly to his door? Doesn't he like own his house and pay property taxes and the police would know where to find him if they were looking?" ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?", ">\n\nIf someone made either of these two suggested responses to his bait:\n\nYea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk? \nI am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nthey are being drawn in to his conversation. Taking his bait. \nHer actual response, by contrast, was dismissive, saying \"you're not worth conversing with\". That's a bigger take-down, and ended up baiting him so badly that he got himself arrested.", ">\n\nThat's just a low energy response like \"No you.\"", ">\n\nIt was clearly effective against him, what more do you want?\nA high energy response says \"you're worth the energy\". Clearly, though, Andrew Tate is not.", ">\n\nI don't think it was effective though. I don't believe he responded because:\n\"oh no my feeling are hurt now I gotta say something mean back!\"\nI think he responded because...\n\"I like my name on the headlines... Gimme more headlines! I love to be the center of attention! Me me me me me!\"", ">\n\nTo determine if something is effective, you need to look at the effect, which is that Andrew Tate is under arrest.", ">\n\nbro look at the news... he def got owned.", ">\n\nHe was owned by the police arresting him. Not by Greta", ">\n\nIf anything it was a self-own, because his own histrionic reaction to literally the mildest of taunts from a teenager online led police directly to his door.", ">\n\nIs there proof that him tweeting about Greta led police directly to his door? Doesn't he like own his house and pay property taxes and the police would know where to find him if they were looking?", ">\n\nthe pizza let the police know he was there to be arrested ... no tweet, no response, no arrest." ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?", ">\n\nIf someone made either of these two suggested responses to his bait:\n\nYea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk? \nI am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nthey are being drawn in to his conversation. Taking his bait. \nHer actual response, by contrast, was dismissive, saying \"you're not worth conversing with\". That's a bigger take-down, and ended up baiting him so badly that he got himself arrested.", ">\n\nThat's just a low energy response like \"No you.\"", ">\n\nIt was clearly effective against him, what more do you want?\nA high energy response says \"you're worth the energy\". Clearly, though, Andrew Tate is not.", ">\n\nI don't think it was effective though. I don't believe he responded because:\n\"oh no my feeling are hurt now I gotta say something mean back!\"\nI think he responded because...\n\"I like my name on the headlines... Gimme more headlines! I love to be the center of attention! Me me me me me!\"", ">\n\nTo determine if something is effective, you need to look at the effect, which is that Andrew Tate is under arrest.", ">\n\nbro look at the news... he def got owned.", ">\n\nHe was owned by the police arresting him. Not by Greta", ">\n\nIf anything it was a self-own, because his own histrionic reaction to literally the mildest of taunts from a teenager online led police directly to his door.", ">\n\nIs there proof that him tweeting about Greta led police directly to his door? Doesn't he like own his house and pay property taxes and the police would know where to find him if they were looking?", ">\n\nthe pizza let the police know he was there to be arrested ... no tweet, no response, no arrest.", ">\n\nWow, that is pretty slick.\nSo the police saw the pizza box. Didn't know where he lived...\nThen they called that pizza place and got a list of addresses that they delivered to." ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?", ">\n\nIf someone made either of these two suggested responses to his bait:\n\nYea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk? \nI am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nthey are being drawn in to his conversation. Taking his bait. \nHer actual response, by contrast, was dismissive, saying \"you're not worth conversing with\". That's a bigger take-down, and ended up baiting him so badly that he got himself arrested.", ">\n\nThat's just a low energy response like \"No you.\"", ">\n\nIt was clearly effective against him, what more do you want?\nA high energy response says \"you're worth the energy\". Clearly, though, Andrew Tate is not.", ">\n\nI don't think it was effective though. I don't believe he responded because:\n\"oh no my feeling are hurt now I gotta say something mean back!\"\nI think he responded because...\n\"I like my name on the headlines... Gimme more headlines! I love to be the center of attention! Me me me me me!\"", ">\n\nTo determine if something is effective, you need to look at the effect, which is that Andrew Tate is under arrest.", ">\n\nbro look at the news... he def got owned.", ">\n\nHe was owned by the police arresting him. Not by Greta", ">\n\nIf anything it was a self-own, because his own histrionic reaction to literally the mildest of taunts from a teenager online led police directly to his door.", ">\n\nIs there proof that him tweeting about Greta led police directly to his door? Doesn't he like own his house and pay property taxes and the police would know where to find him if they were looking?", ">\n\nthe pizza let the police know he was there to be arrested ... no tweet, no response, no arrest.", ">\n\nWow, that is pretty slick.\nSo the police saw the pizza box. Didn't know where he lived...\nThen they called that pizza place and got a list of addresses that they delivered to.", ">\n\nThe police have looking for him since April, and haven't been able to confirm he was in fact in Hungary at his house, until he replied with the video showing a Hungarian national pizza chain box in the video." ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?", ">\n\nIf someone made either of these two suggested responses to his bait:\n\nYea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk? \nI am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nthey are being drawn in to his conversation. Taking his bait. \nHer actual response, by contrast, was dismissive, saying \"you're not worth conversing with\". That's a bigger take-down, and ended up baiting him so badly that he got himself arrested.", ">\n\nThat's just a low energy response like \"No you.\"", ">\n\nIt was clearly effective against him, what more do you want?\nA high energy response says \"you're worth the energy\". Clearly, though, Andrew Tate is not.", ">\n\nI don't think it was effective though. I don't believe he responded because:\n\"oh no my feeling are hurt now I gotta say something mean back!\"\nI think he responded because...\n\"I like my name on the headlines... Gimme more headlines! I love to be the center of attention! Me me me me me!\"", ">\n\nTo determine if something is effective, you need to look at the effect, which is that Andrew Tate is under arrest.", ">\n\nbro look at the news... he def got owned.", ">\n\nHe was owned by the police arresting him. Not by Greta", ">\n\nIf anything it was a self-own, because his own histrionic reaction to literally the mildest of taunts from a teenager online led police directly to his door.", ">\n\nIs there proof that him tweeting about Greta led police directly to his door? Doesn't he like own his house and pay property taxes and the police would know where to find him if they were looking?", ">\n\nthe pizza let the police know he was there to be arrested ... no tweet, no response, no arrest.", ">\n\nWow, that is pretty slick.\nSo the police saw the pizza box. Didn't know where he lived...\nThen they called that pizza place and got a list of addresses that they delivered to.", ">\n\nThe police have looking for him since April, and haven't been able to confirm he was in fact in Hungary at his house, until he replied with the video showing a Hungarian national pizza chain box in the video.", ">\n\nRomanian, but other than that you're correct" ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?", ">\n\nIf someone made either of these two suggested responses to his bait:\n\nYea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk? \nI am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nthey are being drawn in to his conversation. Taking his bait. \nHer actual response, by contrast, was dismissive, saying \"you're not worth conversing with\". That's a bigger take-down, and ended up baiting him so badly that he got himself arrested.", ">\n\nThat's just a low energy response like \"No you.\"", ">\n\nIt was clearly effective against him, what more do you want?\nA high energy response says \"you're worth the energy\". Clearly, though, Andrew Tate is not.", ">\n\nI don't think it was effective though. I don't believe he responded because:\n\"oh no my feeling are hurt now I gotta say something mean back!\"\nI think he responded because...\n\"I like my name on the headlines... Gimme more headlines! I love to be the center of attention! Me me me me me!\"", ">\n\nTo determine if something is effective, you need to look at the effect, which is that Andrew Tate is under arrest.", ">\n\nbro look at the news... he def got owned.", ">\n\nHe was owned by the police arresting him. Not by Greta", ">\n\nIf anything it was a self-own, because his own histrionic reaction to literally the mildest of taunts from a teenager online led police directly to his door.", ">\n\nIs there proof that him tweeting about Greta led police directly to his door? Doesn't he like own his house and pay property taxes and the police would know where to find him if they were looking?", ">\n\nthe pizza let the police know he was there to be arrested ... no tweet, no response, no arrest.", ">\n\nWow, that is pretty slick.\nSo the police saw the pizza box. Didn't know where he lived...\nThen they called that pizza place and got a list of addresses that they delivered to.", ">\n\nThe police have looking for him since April, and haven't been able to confirm he was in fact in Hungary at his house, until he replied with the video showing a Hungarian national pizza chain box in the video.", ">\n\nRomanian, but other than that you're correct", ">\n\nI came in here expecting a different analysis. I will attempt to CYV about why it wasn't an own, not try to convince you it was an own.\nFirst of all, in twitterworld, it was, definitively, an own. She ratio'd the fuck out of him, and he got arrested the next day. I predict that that will function as the urbandictionary.com definition of \"ratiod\" going forward. It doesn't matter that you have a paragraph analysis of a funnier \"own,\" twitter disagrees with you. Honestly she could have just replied \"cringe\" and ratiod him just as hard, it's kinda irrelevant what she said, realistically he self-owned by tweeting at her at all. \nHowever, it wasn't like, great, that she did that. He's a shithead troll that we really should all just be ignoring. He has a massive audience of incels and other disaffected men, unfortunately, but he's not worthy of anybody's attention. \nI don't think he's very smart, but I think he's a savvy Content operator at some level, and he managed to get lots of clicks and eyeballs for the exchange. It's pretty common to @ someone famous in an attempt to get them to acknowledge you in ANY way at all, negative positive doesn't matter, if they publicly acknowledge you, that's clout, that's click, that's expanded audience. \nHolistic context, in some ways she helped him grow his audience. Close the lens a bit though and no dude she fucking owned his ass harder come the fuck on lmao" ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?", ">\n\nIf someone made either of these two suggested responses to his bait:\n\nYea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk? \nI am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nthey are being drawn in to his conversation. Taking his bait. \nHer actual response, by contrast, was dismissive, saying \"you're not worth conversing with\". That's a bigger take-down, and ended up baiting him so badly that he got himself arrested.", ">\n\nThat's just a low energy response like \"No you.\"", ">\n\nIt was clearly effective against him, what more do you want?\nA high energy response says \"you're worth the energy\". Clearly, though, Andrew Tate is not.", ">\n\nI don't think it was effective though. I don't believe he responded because:\n\"oh no my feeling are hurt now I gotta say something mean back!\"\nI think he responded because...\n\"I like my name on the headlines... Gimme more headlines! I love to be the center of attention! Me me me me me!\"", ">\n\nTo determine if something is effective, you need to look at the effect, which is that Andrew Tate is under arrest.", ">\n\nbro look at the news... he def got owned.", ">\n\nHe was owned by the police arresting him. Not by Greta", ">\n\nIf anything it was a self-own, because his own histrionic reaction to literally the mildest of taunts from a teenager online led police directly to his door.", ">\n\nIs there proof that him tweeting about Greta led police directly to his door? Doesn't he like own his house and pay property taxes and the police would know where to find him if they were looking?", ">\n\nthe pizza let the police know he was there to be arrested ... no tweet, no response, no arrest.", ">\n\nWow, that is pretty slick.\nSo the police saw the pizza box. Didn't know where he lived...\nThen they called that pizza place and got a list of addresses that they delivered to.", ">\n\nThe police have looking for him since April, and haven't been able to confirm he was in fact in Hungary at his house, until he replied with the video showing a Hungarian national pizza chain box in the video.", ">\n\nRomanian, but other than that you're correct", ">\n\nI came in here expecting a different analysis. I will attempt to CYV about why it wasn't an own, not try to convince you it was an own.\nFirst of all, in twitterworld, it was, definitively, an own. She ratio'd the fuck out of him, and he got arrested the next day. I predict that that will function as the urbandictionary.com definition of \"ratiod\" going forward. It doesn't matter that you have a paragraph analysis of a funnier \"own,\" twitter disagrees with you. Honestly she could have just replied \"cringe\" and ratiod him just as hard, it's kinda irrelevant what she said, realistically he self-owned by tweeting at her at all. \nHowever, it wasn't like, great, that she did that. He's a shithead troll that we really should all just be ignoring. He has a massive audience of incels and other disaffected men, unfortunately, but he's not worthy of anybody's attention. \nI don't think he's very smart, but I think he's a savvy Content operator at some level, and he managed to get lots of clicks and eyeballs for the exchange. It's pretty common to @ someone famous in an attempt to get them to acknowledge you in ANY way at all, negative positive doesn't matter, if they publicly acknowledge you, that's clout, that's click, that's expanded audience. \nHolistic context, in some ways she helped him grow his audience. Close the lens a bit though and no dude she fucking owned his ass harder come the fuck on lmao", ">\n\nShe accurately assessed that he is insecure about his masculinity.\nShe then gave a very low-effort, dismissive insult, and his responses showed that it really got to him. He made a video response to it.\nYour proposed response is... not funny. Hers wasn't particularly funny, it was dismissive. He responded an hour and a half later with \"How dare you?!\", a quote she said to the UN a number of years ago, but... it doesn't really fit or make sense. It is, at the very least, a joking admission that he cares about what she said. Ten hours later, he had filmed a video response as a new comeback, putting so much more effort into the entire conversation than she did.\nHer tweet amassed a lot of likes and praise prior to his video response resulting in him confirming to the Romanian authorities that he was still in the country (the pizza he had someone bring him to make him look cool was clearly from a Romanian pizzeria), making it possible for them to raid his properties, because of how little effort it took her to knock him off his overconfident pedestal." ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?", ">\n\nIf someone made either of these two suggested responses to his bait:\n\nYea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk? \nI am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nthey are being drawn in to his conversation. Taking his bait. \nHer actual response, by contrast, was dismissive, saying \"you're not worth conversing with\". That's a bigger take-down, and ended up baiting him so badly that he got himself arrested.", ">\n\nThat's just a low energy response like \"No you.\"", ">\n\nIt was clearly effective against him, what more do you want?\nA high energy response says \"you're worth the energy\". Clearly, though, Andrew Tate is not.", ">\n\nI don't think it was effective though. I don't believe he responded because:\n\"oh no my feeling are hurt now I gotta say something mean back!\"\nI think he responded because...\n\"I like my name on the headlines... Gimme more headlines! I love to be the center of attention! Me me me me me!\"", ">\n\nTo determine if something is effective, you need to look at the effect, which is that Andrew Tate is under arrest.", ">\n\nbro look at the news... he def got owned.", ">\n\nHe was owned by the police arresting him. Not by Greta", ">\n\nIf anything it was a self-own, because his own histrionic reaction to literally the mildest of taunts from a teenager online led police directly to his door.", ">\n\nIs there proof that him tweeting about Greta led police directly to his door? Doesn't he like own his house and pay property taxes and the police would know where to find him if they were looking?", ">\n\nthe pizza let the police know he was there to be arrested ... no tweet, no response, no arrest.", ">\n\nWow, that is pretty slick.\nSo the police saw the pizza box. Didn't know where he lived...\nThen they called that pizza place and got a list of addresses that they delivered to.", ">\n\nThe police have looking for him since April, and haven't been able to confirm he was in fact in Hungary at his house, until he replied with the video showing a Hungarian national pizza chain box in the video.", ">\n\nRomanian, but other than that you're correct", ">\n\nI came in here expecting a different analysis. I will attempt to CYV about why it wasn't an own, not try to convince you it was an own.\nFirst of all, in twitterworld, it was, definitively, an own. She ratio'd the fuck out of him, and he got arrested the next day. I predict that that will function as the urbandictionary.com definition of \"ratiod\" going forward. It doesn't matter that you have a paragraph analysis of a funnier \"own,\" twitter disagrees with you. Honestly she could have just replied \"cringe\" and ratiod him just as hard, it's kinda irrelevant what she said, realistically he self-owned by tweeting at her at all. \nHowever, it wasn't like, great, that she did that. He's a shithead troll that we really should all just be ignoring. He has a massive audience of incels and other disaffected men, unfortunately, but he's not worthy of anybody's attention. \nI don't think he's very smart, but I think he's a savvy Content operator at some level, and he managed to get lots of clicks and eyeballs for the exchange. It's pretty common to @ someone famous in an attempt to get them to acknowledge you in ANY way at all, negative positive doesn't matter, if they publicly acknowledge you, that's clout, that's click, that's expanded audience. \nHolistic context, in some ways she helped him grow his audience. Close the lens a bit though and no dude she fucking owned his ass harder come the fuck on lmao", ">\n\nShe accurately assessed that he is insecure about his masculinity.\nShe then gave a very low-effort, dismissive insult, and his responses showed that it really got to him. He made a video response to it.\nYour proposed response is... not funny. Hers wasn't particularly funny, it was dismissive. He responded an hour and a half later with \"How dare you?!\", a quote she said to the UN a number of years ago, but... it doesn't really fit or make sense. It is, at the very least, a joking admission that he cares about what she said. Ten hours later, he had filmed a video response as a new comeback, putting so much more effort into the entire conversation than she did.\nHer tweet amassed a lot of likes and praise prior to his video response resulting in him confirming to the Romanian authorities that he was still in the country (the pizza he had someone bring him to make him look cool was clearly from a Romanian pizzeria), making it possible for them to raid his properties, because of how little effort it took her to knock him off his overconfident pedestal.", ">\n\nI don't think he feels insecure about his masculinity. He has this massive ego like a Donald Trump or a Kanye West type of person. He is far too narcissistic and self centered to have such insecurities. Unless he has some sort of \"Imposter Syndrome\" or other similar disorder.\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\nI see it as more of a \"More headlines for me? Gimme gimme gimme!\"\nI'm not a professional comedian. I thought it would be a funnier response or at least a better insult than Gretas. Greta's response came off as a bit tone deaf to me. Like preaching to the choir.\nThe \"How Dare you?\" response by Tate is fitting. That is her catchphrase. That was her 15 minutes of fame.\nIt's like a \"You insulted me? How dare you?\"\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest." ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?", ">\n\nIf someone made either of these two suggested responses to his bait:\n\nYea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk? \nI am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nthey are being drawn in to his conversation. Taking his bait. \nHer actual response, by contrast, was dismissive, saying \"you're not worth conversing with\". That's a bigger take-down, and ended up baiting him so badly that he got himself arrested.", ">\n\nThat's just a low energy response like \"No you.\"", ">\n\nIt was clearly effective against him, what more do you want?\nA high energy response says \"you're worth the energy\". Clearly, though, Andrew Tate is not.", ">\n\nI don't think it was effective though. I don't believe he responded because:\n\"oh no my feeling are hurt now I gotta say something mean back!\"\nI think he responded because...\n\"I like my name on the headlines... Gimme more headlines! I love to be the center of attention! Me me me me me!\"", ">\n\nTo determine if something is effective, you need to look at the effect, which is that Andrew Tate is under arrest.", ">\n\nbro look at the news... he def got owned.", ">\n\nHe was owned by the police arresting him. Not by Greta", ">\n\nIf anything it was a self-own, because his own histrionic reaction to literally the mildest of taunts from a teenager online led police directly to his door.", ">\n\nIs there proof that him tweeting about Greta led police directly to his door? Doesn't he like own his house and pay property taxes and the police would know where to find him if they were looking?", ">\n\nthe pizza let the police know he was there to be arrested ... no tweet, no response, no arrest.", ">\n\nWow, that is pretty slick.\nSo the police saw the pizza box. Didn't know where he lived...\nThen they called that pizza place and got a list of addresses that they delivered to.", ">\n\nThe police have looking for him since April, and haven't been able to confirm he was in fact in Hungary at his house, until he replied with the video showing a Hungarian national pizza chain box in the video.", ">\n\nRomanian, but other than that you're correct", ">\n\nI came in here expecting a different analysis. I will attempt to CYV about why it wasn't an own, not try to convince you it was an own.\nFirst of all, in twitterworld, it was, definitively, an own. She ratio'd the fuck out of him, and he got arrested the next day. I predict that that will function as the urbandictionary.com definition of \"ratiod\" going forward. It doesn't matter that you have a paragraph analysis of a funnier \"own,\" twitter disagrees with you. Honestly she could have just replied \"cringe\" and ratiod him just as hard, it's kinda irrelevant what she said, realistically he self-owned by tweeting at her at all. \nHowever, it wasn't like, great, that she did that. He's a shithead troll that we really should all just be ignoring. He has a massive audience of incels and other disaffected men, unfortunately, but he's not worthy of anybody's attention. \nI don't think he's very smart, but I think he's a savvy Content operator at some level, and he managed to get lots of clicks and eyeballs for the exchange. It's pretty common to @ someone famous in an attempt to get them to acknowledge you in ANY way at all, negative positive doesn't matter, if they publicly acknowledge you, that's clout, that's click, that's expanded audience. \nHolistic context, in some ways she helped him grow his audience. Close the lens a bit though and no dude she fucking owned his ass harder come the fuck on lmao", ">\n\nShe accurately assessed that he is insecure about his masculinity.\nShe then gave a very low-effort, dismissive insult, and his responses showed that it really got to him. He made a video response to it.\nYour proposed response is... not funny. Hers wasn't particularly funny, it was dismissive. He responded an hour and a half later with \"How dare you?!\", a quote she said to the UN a number of years ago, but... it doesn't really fit or make sense. It is, at the very least, a joking admission that he cares about what she said. Ten hours later, he had filmed a video response as a new comeback, putting so much more effort into the entire conversation than she did.\nHer tweet amassed a lot of likes and praise prior to his video response resulting in him confirming to the Romanian authorities that he was still in the country (the pizza he had someone bring him to make him look cool was clearly from a Romanian pizzeria), making it possible for them to raid his properties, because of how little effort it took her to knock him off his overconfident pedestal.", ">\n\nI don't think he feels insecure about his masculinity. He has this massive ego like a Donald Trump or a Kanye West type of person. He is far too narcissistic and self centered to have such insecurities. Unless he has some sort of \"Imposter Syndrome\" or other similar disorder.\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\nI see it as more of a \"More headlines for me? Gimme gimme gimme!\"\nI'm not a professional comedian. I thought it would be a funnier response or at least a better insult than Gretas. Greta's response came off as a bit tone deaf to me. Like preaching to the choir.\nThe \"How Dare you?\" response by Tate is fitting. That is her catchphrase. That was her 15 minutes of fame.\nIt's like a \"You insulted me? How dare you?\"\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.", ">\n\nHis response demonstrates his insecurity. You don't get worked up about that sort of insult unless it really bothers you. He views women as property and targets teenagers because he considers them to be more impressionable. I think it really bothered him to have her question his masculinity, and him obsessing over it for so long demonstrates that.\n\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\n\nDo you think I'm saying he's insecure about his masculinity because he really does have a small penis? His penis is irrelevant. Call of Duty-level insults like that aren't about penis size, or actually having sex with someone's mother, or anything else like that. Toxic masculinity is obsessed with penis size, so saying that someone has a small penis is an attack on their claims to masculinity. The worst way to respond to that sort of insult... is to respond to it.\nYes, his initial response correctly identified who he was talking to, but is it fitting? His response implied that hers carried some weight to it, which, as I said above, is not what you want to do to that type of insult. He then proved that he was bothered by spending so much more time thinking of another comeback.\nHis second comeback was basically \"no, you!\" (plus transphobia), which only really works if the other person is invested in the conversation. There's no indication she's even visited Twitter since her response to him.\n\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.\n\nIf you raid his properties and he's not even in the country, he's not going to come back to the country, and you're never going to be able to arrest him. You need to make sure he's there. They said that they had monitored his social media to try to figure out if he was in Romania, and then he made a very high-profile post containing evidence that he was in Romania. \"Pinging his cellphone\" only works if they know what phone he's using." ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?", ">\n\nIf someone made either of these two suggested responses to his bait:\n\nYea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk? \nI am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nthey are being drawn in to his conversation. Taking his bait. \nHer actual response, by contrast, was dismissive, saying \"you're not worth conversing with\". That's a bigger take-down, and ended up baiting him so badly that he got himself arrested.", ">\n\nThat's just a low energy response like \"No you.\"", ">\n\nIt was clearly effective against him, what more do you want?\nA high energy response says \"you're worth the energy\". Clearly, though, Andrew Tate is not.", ">\n\nI don't think it was effective though. I don't believe he responded because:\n\"oh no my feeling are hurt now I gotta say something mean back!\"\nI think he responded because...\n\"I like my name on the headlines... Gimme more headlines! I love to be the center of attention! Me me me me me!\"", ">\n\nTo determine if something is effective, you need to look at the effect, which is that Andrew Tate is under arrest.", ">\n\nbro look at the news... he def got owned.", ">\n\nHe was owned by the police arresting him. Not by Greta", ">\n\nIf anything it was a self-own, because his own histrionic reaction to literally the mildest of taunts from a teenager online led police directly to his door.", ">\n\nIs there proof that him tweeting about Greta led police directly to his door? Doesn't he like own his house and pay property taxes and the police would know where to find him if they were looking?", ">\n\nthe pizza let the police know he was there to be arrested ... no tweet, no response, no arrest.", ">\n\nWow, that is pretty slick.\nSo the police saw the pizza box. Didn't know where he lived...\nThen they called that pizza place and got a list of addresses that they delivered to.", ">\n\nThe police have looking for him since April, and haven't been able to confirm he was in fact in Hungary at his house, until he replied with the video showing a Hungarian national pizza chain box in the video.", ">\n\nRomanian, but other than that you're correct", ">\n\nI came in here expecting a different analysis. I will attempt to CYV about why it wasn't an own, not try to convince you it was an own.\nFirst of all, in twitterworld, it was, definitively, an own. She ratio'd the fuck out of him, and he got arrested the next day. I predict that that will function as the urbandictionary.com definition of \"ratiod\" going forward. It doesn't matter that you have a paragraph analysis of a funnier \"own,\" twitter disagrees with you. Honestly she could have just replied \"cringe\" and ratiod him just as hard, it's kinda irrelevant what she said, realistically he self-owned by tweeting at her at all. \nHowever, it wasn't like, great, that she did that. He's a shithead troll that we really should all just be ignoring. He has a massive audience of incels and other disaffected men, unfortunately, but he's not worthy of anybody's attention. \nI don't think he's very smart, but I think he's a savvy Content operator at some level, and he managed to get lots of clicks and eyeballs for the exchange. It's pretty common to @ someone famous in an attempt to get them to acknowledge you in ANY way at all, negative positive doesn't matter, if they publicly acknowledge you, that's clout, that's click, that's expanded audience. \nHolistic context, in some ways she helped him grow his audience. Close the lens a bit though and no dude she fucking owned his ass harder come the fuck on lmao", ">\n\nShe accurately assessed that he is insecure about his masculinity.\nShe then gave a very low-effort, dismissive insult, and his responses showed that it really got to him. He made a video response to it.\nYour proposed response is... not funny. Hers wasn't particularly funny, it was dismissive. He responded an hour and a half later with \"How dare you?!\", a quote she said to the UN a number of years ago, but... it doesn't really fit or make sense. It is, at the very least, a joking admission that he cares about what she said. Ten hours later, he had filmed a video response as a new comeback, putting so much more effort into the entire conversation than she did.\nHer tweet amassed a lot of likes and praise prior to his video response resulting in him confirming to the Romanian authorities that he was still in the country (the pizza he had someone bring him to make him look cool was clearly from a Romanian pizzeria), making it possible for them to raid his properties, because of how little effort it took her to knock him off his overconfident pedestal.", ">\n\nI don't think he feels insecure about his masculinity. He has this massive ego like a Donald Trump or a Kanye West type of person. He is far too narcissistic and self centered to have such insecurities. Unless he has some sort of \"Imposter Syndrome\" or other similar disorder.\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\nI see it as more of a \"More headlines for me? Gimme gimme gimme!\"\nI'm not a professional comedian. I thought it would be a funnier response or at least a better insult than Gretas. Greta's response came off as a bit tone deaf to me. Like preaching to the choir.\nThe \"How Dare you?\" response by Tate is fitting. That is her catchphrase. That was her 15 minutes of fame.\nIt's like a \"You insulted me? How dare you?\"\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.", ">\n\nHis response demonstrates his insecurity. You don't get worked up about that sort of insult unless it really bothers you. He views women as property and targets teenagers because he considers them to be more impressionable. I think it really bothered him to have her question his masculinity, and him obsessing over it for so long demonstrates that.\n\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\n\nDo you think I'm saying he's insecure about his masculinity because he really does have a small penis? His penis is irrelevant. Call of Duty-level insults like that aren't about penis size, or actually having sex with someone's mother, or anything else like that. Toxic masculinity is obsessed with penis size, so saying that someone has a small penis is an attack on their claims to masculinity. The worst way to respond to that sort of insult... is to respond to it.\nYes, his initial response correctly identified who he was talking to, but is it fitting? His response implied that hers carried some weight to it, which, as I said above, is not what you want to do to that type of insult. He then proved that he was bothered by spending so much more time thinking of another comeback.\nHis second comeback was basically \"no, you!\" (plus transphobia), which only really works if the other person is invested in the conversation. There's no indication she's even visited Twitter since her response to him.\n\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.\n\nIf you raid his properties and he's not even in the country, he's not going to come back to the country, and you're never going to be able to arrest him. You need to make sure he's there. They said that they had monitored his social media to try to figure out if he was in Romania, and then he made a very high-profile post containing evidence that he was in Romania. \"Pinging his cellphone\" only works if they know what phone he's using.", ">\n\nShe said \"yes, please do enlighten me. email me at [email protected]\" not \"you have a small penis.\" \nWhat she actually said could be more closely translated as \"Stop bragging about this silly shit, you pathetic tool.\" \nIn response, Andrew Tate blew up his own damn life with more poorly thought out and pathetic baggadocio, because he is indeed a pathetic tool." ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?", ">\n\nIf someone made either of these two suggested responses to his bait:\n\nYea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk? \nI am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nthey are being drawn in to his conversation. Taking his bait. \nHer actual response, by contrast, was dismissive, saying \"you're not worth conversing with\". That's a bigger take-down, and ended up baiting him so badly that he got himself arrested.", ">\n\nThat's just a low energy response like \"No you.\"", ">\n\nIt was clearly effective against him, what more do you want?\nA high energy response says \"you're worth the energy\". Clearly, though, Andrew Tate is not.", ">\n\nI don't think it was effective though. I don't believe he responded because:\n\"oh no my feeling are hurt now I gotta say something mean back!\"\nI think he responded because...\n\"I like my name on the headlines... Gimme more headlines! I love to be the center of attention! Me me me me me!\"", ">\n\nTo determine if something is effective, you need to look at the effect, which is that Andrew Tate is under arrest.", ">\n\nbro look at the news... he def got owned.", ">\n\nHe was owned by the police arresting him. Not by Greta", ">\n\nIf anything it was a self-own, because his own histrionic reaction to literally the mildest of taunts from a teenager online led police directly to his door.", ">\n\nIs there proof that him tweeting about Greta led police directly to his door? Doesn't he like own his house and pay property taxes and the police would know where to find him if they were looking?", ">\n\nthe pizza let the police know he was there to be arrested ... no tweet, no response, no arrest.", ">\n\nWow, that is pretty slick.\nSo the police saw the pizza box. Didn't know where he lived...\nThen they called that pizza place and got a list of addresses that they delivered to.", ">\n\nThe police have looking for him since April, and haven't been able to confirm he was in fact in Hungary at his house, until he replied with the video showing a Hungarian national pizza chain box in the video.", ">\n\nRomanian, but other than that you're correct", ">\n\nI came in here expecting a different analysis. I will attempt to CYV about why it wasn't an own, not try to convince you it was an own.\nFirst of all, in twitterworld, it was, definitively, an own. She ratio'd the fuck out of him, and he got arrested the next day. I predict that that will function as the urbandictionary.com definition of \"ratiod\" going forward. It doesn't matter that you have a paragraph analysis of a funnier \"own,\" twitter disagrees with you. Honestly she could have just replied \"cringe\" and ratiod him just as hard, it's kinda irrelevant what she said, realistically he self-owned by tweeting at her at all. \nHowever, it wasn't like, great, that she did that. He's a shithead troll that we really should all just be ignoring. He has a massive audience of incels and other disaffected men, unfortunately, but he's not worthy of anybody's attention. \nI don't think he's very smart, but I think he's a savvy Content operator at some level, and he managed to get lots of clicks and eyeballs for the exchange. It's pretty common to @ someone famous in an attempt to get them to acknowledge you in ANY way at all, negative positive doesn't matter, if they publicly acknowledge you, that's clout, that's click, that's expanded audience. \nHolistic context, in some ways she helped him grow his audience. Close the lens a bit though and no dude she fucking owned his ass harder come the fuck on lmao", ">\n\nShe accurately assessed that he is insecure about his masculinity.\nShe then gave a very low-effort, dismissive insult, and his responses showed that it really got to him. He made a video response to it.\nYour proposed response is... not funny. Hers wasn't particularly funny, it was dismissive. He responded an hour and a half later with \"How dare you?!\", a quote she said to the UN a number of years ago, but... it doesn't really fit or make sense. It is, at the very least, a joking admission that he cares about what she said. Ten hours later, he had filmed a video response as a new comeback, putting so much more effort into the entire conversation than she did.\nHer tweet amassed a lot of likes and praise prior to his video response resulting in him confirming to the Romanian authorities that he was still in the country (the pizza he had someone bring him to make him look cool was clearly from a Romanian pizzeria), making it possible for them to raid his properties, because of how little effort it took her to knock him off his overconfident pedestal.", ">\n\nI don't think he feels insecure about his masculinity. He has this massive ego like a Donald Trump or a Kanye West type of person. He is far too narcissistic and self centered to have such insecurities. Unless he has some sort of \"Imposter Syndrome\" or other similar disorder.\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\nI see it as more of a \"More headlines for me? Gimme gimme gimme!\"\nI'm not a professional comedian. I thought it would be a funnier response or at least a better insult than Gretas. Greta's response came off as a bit tone deaf to me. Like preaching to the choir.\nThe \"How Dare you?\" response by Tate is fitting. That is her catchphrase. That was her 15 minutes of fame.\nIt's like a \"You insulted me? How dare you?\"\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.", ">\n\nHis response demonstrates his insecurity. You don't get worked up about that sort of insult unless it really bothers you. He views women as property and targets teenagers because he considers them to be more impressionable. I think it really bothered him to have her question his masculinity, and him obsessing over it for so long demonstrates that.\n\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\n\nDo you think I'm saying he's insecure about his masculinity because he really does have a small penis? His penis is irrelevant. Call of Duty-level insults like that aren't about penis size, or actually having sex with someone's mother, or anything else like that. Toxic masculinity is obsessed with penis size, so saying that someone has a small penis is an attack on their claims to masculinity. The worst way to respond to that sort of insult... is to respond to it.\nYes, his initial response correctly identified who he was talking to, but is it fitting? His response implied that hers carried some weight to it, which, as I said above, is not what you want to do to that type of insult. He then proved that he was bothered by spending so much more time thinking of another comeback.\nHis second comeback was basically \"no, you!\" (plus transphobia), which only really works if the other person is invested in the conversation. There's no indication she's even visited Twitter since her response to him.\n\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.\n\nIf you raid his properties and he's not even in the country, he's not going to come back to the country, and you're never going to be able to arrest him. You need to make sure he's there. They said that they had monitored his social media to try to figure out if he was in Romania, and then he made a very high-profile post containing evidence that he was in Romania. \"Pinging his cellphone\" only works if they know what phone he's using.", ">\n\nShe said \"yes, please do enlighten me. email me at [email protected]\" not \"you have a small penis.\" \nWhat she actually said could be more closely translated as \"Stop bragging about this silly shit, you pathetic tool.\" \nIn response, Andrew Tate blew up his own damn life with more poorly thought out and pathetic baggadocio, because he is indeed a pathetic tool.", ">\n\nI suppose Small Dick Energy =/= Small Dick.\nAt the same time you can understand the confusion." ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?", ">\n\nIf someone made either of these two suggested responses to his bait:\n\nYea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk? \nI am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nthey are being drawn in to his conversation. Taking his bait. \nHer actual response, by contrast, was dismissive, saying \"you're not worth conversing with\". That's a bigger take-down, and ended up baiting him so badly that he got himself arrested.", ">\n\nThat's just a low energy response like \"No you.\"", ">\n\nIt was clearly effective against him, what more do you want?\nA high energy response says \"you're worth the energy\". Clearly, though, Andrew Tate is not.", ">\n\nI don't think it was effective though. I don't believe he responded because:\n\"oh no my feeling are hurt now I gotta say something mean back!\"\nI think he responded because...\n\"I like my name on the headlines... Gimme more headlines! I love to be the center of attention! Me me me me me!\"", ">\n\nTo determine if something is effective, you need to look at the effect, which is that Andrew Tate is under arrest.", ">\n\nbro look at the news... he def got owned.", ">\n\nHe was owned by the police arresting him. Not by Greta", ">\n\nIf anything it was a self-own, because his own histrionic reaction to literally the mildest of taunts from a teenager online led police directly to his door.", ">\n\nIs there proof that him tweeting about Greta led police directly to his door? Doesn't he like own his house and pay property taxes and the police would know where to find him if they were looking?", ">\n\nthe pizza let the police know he was there to be arrested ... no tweet, no response, no arrest.", ">\n\nWow, that is pretty slick.\nSo the police saw the pizza box. Didn't know where he lived...\nThen they called that pizza place and got a list of addresses that they delivered to.", ">\n\nThe police have looking for him since April, and haven't been able to confirm he was in fact in Hungary at his house, until he replied with the video showing a Hungarian national pizza chain box in the video.", ">\n\nRomanian, but other than that you're correct", ">\n\nI came in here expecting a different analysis. I will attempt to CYV about why it wasn't an own, not try to convince you it was an own.\nFirst of all, in twitterworld, it was, definitively, an own. She ratio'd the fuck out of him, and he got arrested the next day. I predict that that will function as the urbandictionary.com definition of \"ratiod\" going forward. It doesn't matter that you have a paragraph analysis of a funnier \"own,\" twitter disagrees with you. Honestly she could have just replied \"cringe\" and ratiod him just as hard, it's kinda irrelevant what she said, realistically he self-owned by tweeting at her at all. \nHowever, it wasn't like, great, that she did that. He's a shithead troll that we really should all just be ignoring. He has a massive audience of incels and other disaffected men, unfortunately, but he's not worthy of anybody's attention. \nI don't think he's very smart, but I think he's a savvy Content operator at some level, and he managed to get lots of clicks and eyeballs for the exchange. It's pretty common to @ someone famous in an attempt to get them to acknowledge you in ANY way at all, negative positive doesn't matter, if they publicly acknowledge you, that's clout, that's click, that's expanded audience. \nHolistic context, in some ways she helped him grow his audience. Close the lens a bit though and no dude she fucking owned his ass harder come the fuck on lmao", ">\n\nShe accurately assessed that he is insecure about his masculinity.\nShe then gave a very low-effort, dismissive insult, and his responses showed that it really got to him. He made a video response to it.\nYour proposed response is... not funny. Hers wasn't particularly funny, it was dismissive. He responded an hour and a half later with \"How dare you?!\", a quote she said to the UN a number of years ago, but... it doesn't really fit or make sense. It is, at the very least, a joking admission that he cares about what she said. Ten hours later, he had filmed a video response as a new comeback, putting so much more effort into the entire conversation than she did.\nHer tweet amassed a lot of likes and praise prior to his video response resulting in him confirming to the Romanian authorities that he was still in the country (the pizza he had someone bring him to make him look cool was clearly from a Romanian pizzeria), making it possible for them to raid his properties, because of how little effort it took her to knock him off his overconfident pedestal.", ">\n\nI don't think he feels insecure about his masculinity. He has this massive ego like a Donald Trump or a Kanye West type of person. He is far too narcissistic and self centered to have such insecurities. Unless he has some sort of \"Imposter Syndrome\" or other similar disorder.\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\nI see it as more of a \"More headlines for me? Gimme gimme gimme!\"\nI'm not a professional comedian. I thought it would be a funnier response or at least a better insult than Gretas. Greta's response came off as a bit tone deaf to me. Like preaching to the choir.\nThe \"How Dare you?\" response by Tate is fitting. That is her catchphrase. That was her 15 minutes of fame.\nIt's like a \"You insulted me? How dare you?\"\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.", ">\n\nHis response demonstrates his insecurity. You don't get worked up about that sort of insult unless it really bothers you. He views women as property and targets teenagers because he considers them to be more impressionable. I think it really bothered him to have her question his masculinity, and him obsessing over it for so long demonstrates that.\n\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\n\nDo you think I'm saying he's insecure about his masculinity because he really does have a small penis? His penis is irrelevant. Call of Duty-level insults like that aren't about penis size, or actually having sex with someone's mother, or anything else like that. Toxic masculinity is obsessed with penis size, so saying that someone has a small penis is an attack on their claims to masculinity. The worst way to respond to that sort of insult... is to respond to it.\nYes, his initial response correctly identified who he was talking to, but is it fitting? His response implied that hers carried some weight to it, which, as I said above, is not what you want to do to that type of insult. He then proved that he was bothered by spending so much more time thinking of another comeback.\nHis second comeback was basically \"no, you!\" (plus transphobia), which only really works if the other person is invested in the conversation. There's no indication she's even visited Twitter since her response to him.\n\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.\n\nIf you raid his properties and he's not even in the country, he's not going to come back to the country, and you're never going to be able to arrest him. You need to make sure he's there. They said that they had monitored his social media to try to figure out if he was in Romania, and then he made a very high-profile post containing evidence that he was in Romania. \"Pinging his cellphone\" only works if they know what phone he's using.", ">\n\nShe said \"yes, please do enlighten me. email me at [email protected]\" not \"you have a small penis.\" \nWhat she actually said could be more closely translated as \"Stop bragging about this silly shit, you pathetic tool.\" \nIn response, Andrew Tate blew up his own damn life with more poorly thought out and pathetic baggadocio, because he is indeed a pathetic tool.", ">\n\nI suppose Small Dick Energy =/= Small Dick.\nAt the same time you can understand the confusion.", ">\n\nNot really. I mean, unless you're a non-native English speaker or something. The context made the comment pretty clear IMO." ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?", ">\n\nIf someone made either of these two suggested responses to his bait:\n\nYea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk? \nI am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nthey are being drawn in to his conversation. Taking his bait. \nHer actual response, by contrast, was dismissive, saying \"you're not worth conversing with\". That's a bigger take-down, and ended up baiting him so badly that he got himself arrested.", ">\n\nThat's just a low energy response like \"No you.\"", ">\n\nIt was clearly effective against him, what more do you want?\nA high energy response says \"you're worth the energy\". Clearly, though, Andrew Tate is not.", ">\n\nI don't think it was effective though. I don't believe he responded because:\n\"oh no my feeling are hurt now I gotta say something mean back!\"\nI think he responded because...\n\"I like my name on the headlines... Gimme more headlines! I love to be the center of attention! Me me me me me!\"", ">\n\nTo determine if something is effective, you need to look at the effect, which is that Andrew Tate is under arrest.", ">\n\nbro look at the news... he def got owned.", ">\n\nHe was owned by the police arresting him. Not by Greta", ">\n\nIf anything it was a self-own, because his own histrionic reaction to literally the mildest of taunts from a teenager online led police directly to his door.", ">\n\nIs there proof that him tweeting about Greta led police directly to his door? Doesn't he like own his house and pay property taxes and the police would know where to find him if they were looking?", ">\n\nthe pizza let the police know he was there to be arrested ... no tweet, no response, no arrest.", ">\n\nWow, that is pretty slick.\nSo the police saw the pizza box. Didn't know where he lived...\nThen they called that pizza place and got a list of addresses that they delivered to.", ">\n\nThe police have looking for him since April, and haven't been able to confirm he was in fact in Hungary at his house, until he replied with the video showing a Hungarian national pizza chain box in the video.", ">\n\nRomanian, but other than that you're correct", ">\n\nI came in here expecting a different analysis. I will attempt to CYV about why it wasn't an own, not try to convince you it was an own.\nFirst of all, in twitterworld, it was, definitively, an own. She ratio'd the fuck out of him, and he got arrested the next day. I predict that that will function as the urbandictionary.com definition of \"ratiod\" going forward. It doesn't matter that you have a paragraph analysis of a funnier \"own,\" twitter disagrees with you. Honestly she could have just replied \"cringe\" and ratiod him just as hard, it's kinda irrelevant what she said, realistically he self-owned by tweeting at her at all. \nHowever, it wasn't like, great, that she did that. He's a shithead troll that we really should all just be ignoring. He has a massive audience of incels and other disaffected men, unfortunately, but he's not worthy of anybody's attention. \nI don't think he's very smart, but I think he's a savvy Content operator at some level, and he managed to get lots of clicks and eyeballs for the exchange. It's pretty common to @ someone famous in an attempt to get them to acknowledge you in ANY way at all, negative positive doesn't matter, if they publicly acknowledge you, that's clout, that's click, that's expanded audience. \nHolistic context, in some ways she helped him grow his audience. Close the lens a bit though and no dude she fucking owned his ass harder come the fuck on lmao", ">\n\nShe accurately assessed that he is insecure about his masculinity.\nShe then gave a very low-effort, dismissive insult, and his responses showed that it really got to him. He made a video response to it.\nYour proposed response is... not funny. Hers wasn't particularly funny, it was dismissive. He responded an hour and a half later with \"How dare you?!\", a quote she said to the UN a number of years ago, but... it doesn't really fit or make sense. It is, at the very least, a joking admission that he cares about what she said. Ten hours later, he had filmed a video response as a new comeback, putting so much more effort into the entire conversation than she did.\nHer tweet amassed a lot of likes and praise prior to his video response resulting in him confirming to the Romanian authorities that he was still in the country (the pizza he had someone bring him to make him look cool was clearly from a Romanian pizzeria), making it possible for them to raid his properties, because of how little effort it took her to knock him off his overconfident pedestal.", ">\n\nI don't think he feels insecure about his masculinity. He has this massive ego like a Donald Trump or a Kanye West type of person. He is far too narcissistic and self centered to have such insecurities. Unless he has some sort of \"Imposter Syndrome\" or other similar disorder.\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\nI see it as more of a \"More headlines for me? Gimme gimme gimme!\"\nI'm not a professional comedian. I thought it would be a funnier response or at least a better insult than Gretas. Greta's response came off as a bit tone deaf to me. Like preaching to the choir.\nThe \"How Dare you?\" response by Tate is fitting. That is her catchphrase. That was her 15 minutes of fame.\nIt's like a \"You insulted me? How dare you?\"\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.", ">\n\nHis response demonstrates his insecurity. You don't get worked up about that sort of insult unless it really bothers you. He views women as property and targets teenagers because he considers them to be more impressionable. I think it really bothered him to have her question his masculinity, and him obsessing over it for so long demonstrates that.\n\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\n\nDo you think I'm saying he's insecure about his masculinity because he really does have a small penis? His penis is irrelevant. Call of Duty-level insults like that aren't about penis size, or actually having sex with someone's mother, or anything else like that. Toxic masculinity is obsessed with penis size, so saying that someone has a small penis is an attack on their claims to masculinity. The worst way to respond to that sort of insult... is to respond to it.\nYes, his initial response correctly identified who he was talking to, but is it fitting? His response implied that hers carried some weight to it, which, as I said above, is not what you want to do to that type of insult. He then proved that he was bothered by spending so much more time thinking of another comeback.\nHis second comeback was basically \"no, you!\" (plus transphobia), which only really works if the other person is invested in the conversation. There's no indication she's even visited Twitter since her response to him.\n\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.\n\nIf you raid his properties and he's not even in the country, he's not going to come back to the country, and you're never going to be able to arrest him. You need to make sure he's there. They said that they had monitored his social media to try to figure out if he was in Romania, and then he made a very high-profile post containing evidence that he was in Romania. \"Pinging his cellphone\" only works if they know what phone he's using.", ">\n\nShe said \"yes, please do enlighten me. email me at [email protected]\" not \"you have a small penis.\" \nWhat she actually said could be more closely translated as \"Stop bragging about this silly shit, you pathetic tool.\" \nIn response, Andrew Tate blew up his own damn life with more poorly thought out and pathetic baggadocio, because he is indeed a pathetic tool.", ">\n\nI suppose Small Dick Energy =/= Small Dick.\nAt the same time you can understand the confusion.", ">\n\nNot really. I mean, unless you're a non-native English speaker or something. The context made the comment pretty clear IMO.", ">\n\nI used to get made fun of in the 6th grade because my penis was so big... I was the only black kid in my school. That's not cool man.\nI remember balling my eyes out going home and crying to my mom. I said \"Momma is my dick bigger than the other kids because I am black? Why they so racist!?\"\nShe said \"No son... This isn't racism. It is because you are fifteen and have been held back a few grades.\"" ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?", ">\n\nIf someone made either of these two suggested responses to his bait:\n\nYea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk? \nI am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nthey are being drawn in to his conversation. Taking his bait. \nHer actual response, by contrast, was dismissive, saying \"you're not worth conversing with\". That's a bigger take-down, and ended up baiting him so badly that he got himself arrested.", ">\n\nThat's just a low energy response like \"No you.\"", ">\n\nIt was clearly effective against him, what more do you want?\nA high energy response says \"you're worth the energy\". Clearly, though, Andrew Tate is not.", ">\n\nI don't think it was effective though. I don't believe he responded because:\n\"oh no my feeling are hurt now I gotta say something mean back!\"\nI think he responded because...\n\"I like my name on the headlines... Gimme more headlines! I love to be the center of attention! Me me me me me!\"", ">\n\nTo determine if something is effective, you need to look at the effect, which is that Andrew Tate is under arrest.", ">\n\nbro look at the news... he def got owned.", ">\n\nHe was owned by the police arresting him. Not by Greta", ">\n\nIf anything it was a self-own, because his own histrionic reaction to literally the mildest of taunts from a teenager online led police directly to his door.", ">\n\nIs there proof that him tweeting about Greta led police directly to his door? Doesn't he like own his house and pay property taxes and the police would know where to find him if they were looking?", ">\n\nthe pizza let the police know he was there to be arrested ... no tweet, no response, no arrest.", ">\n\nWow, that is pretty slick.\nSo the police saw the pizza box. Didn't know where he lived...\nThen they called that pizza place and got a list of addresses that they delivered to.", ">\n\nThe police have looking for him since April, and haven't been able to confirm he was in fact in Hungary at his house, until he replied with the video showing a Hungarian national pizza chain box in the video.", ">\n\nRomanian, but other than that you're correct", ">\n\nI came in here expecting a different analysis. I will attempt to CYV about why it wasn't an own, not try to convince you it was an own.\nFirst of all, in twitterworld, it was, definitively, an own. She ratio'd the fuck out of him, and he got arrested the next day. I predict that that will function as the urbandictionary.com definition of \"ratiod\" going forward. It doesn't matter that you have a paragraph analysis of a funnier \"own,\" twitter disagrees with you. Honestly she could have just replied \"cringe\" and ratiod him just as hard, it's kinda irrelevant what she said, realistically he self-owned by tweeting at her at all. \nHowever, it wasn't like, great, that she did that. He's a shithead troll that we really should all just be ignoring. He has a massive audience of incels and other disaffected men, unfortunately, but he's not worthy of anybody's attention. \nI don't think he's very smart, but I think he's a savvy Content operator at some level, and he managed to get lots of clicks and eyeballs for the exchange. It's pretty common to @ someone famous in an attempt to get them to acknowledge you in ANY way at all, negative positive doesn't matter, if they publicly acknowledge you, that's clout, that's click, that's expanded audience. \nHolistic context, in some ways she helped him grow his audience. Close the lens a bit though and no dude she fucking owned his ass harder come the fuck on lmao", ">\n\nShe accurately assessed that he is insecure about his masculinity.\nShe then gave a very low-effort, dismissive insult, and his responses showed that it really got to him. He made a video response to it.\nYour proposed response is... not funny. Hers wasn't particularly funny, it was dismissive. He responded an hour and a half later with \"How dare you?!\", a quote she said to the UN a number of years ago, but... it doesn't really fit or make sense. It is, at the very least, a joking admission that he cares about what she said. Ten hours later, he had filmed a video response as a new comeback, putting so much more effort into the entire conversation than she did.\nHer tweet amassed a lot of likes and praise prior to his video response resulting in him confirming to the Romanian authorities that he was still in the country (the pizza he had someone bring him to make him look cool was clearly from a Romanian pizzeria), making it possible for them to raid his properties, because of how little effort it took her to knock him off his overconfident pedestal.", ">\n\nI don't think he feels insecure about his masculinity. He has this massive ego like a Donald Trump or a Kanye West type of person. He is far too narcissistic and self centered to have such insecurities. Unless he has some sort of \"Imposter Syndrome\" or other similar disorder.\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\nI see it as more of a \"More headlines for me? Gimme gimme gimme!\"\nI'm not a professional comedian. I thought it would be a funnier response or at least a better insult than Gretas. Greta's response came off as a bit tone deaf to me. Like preaching to the choir.\nThe \"How Dare you?\" response by Tate is fitting. That is her catchphrase. That was her 15 minutes of fame.\nIt's like a \"You insulted me? How dare you?\"\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.", ">\n\nHis response demonstrates his insecurity. You don't get worked up about that sort of insult unless it really bothers you. He views women as property and targets teenagers because he considers them to be more impressionable. I think it really bothered him to have her question his masculinity, and him obsessing over it for so long demonstrates that.\n\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\n\nDo you think I'm saying he's insecure about his masculinity because he really does have a small penis? His penis is irrelevant. Call of Duty-level insults like that aren't about penis size, or actually having sex with someone's mother, or anything else like that. Toxic masculinity is obsessed with penis size, so saying that someone has a small penis is an attack on their claims to masculinity. The worst way to respond to that sort of insult... is to respond to it.\nYes, his initial response correctly identified who he was talking to, but is it fitting? His response implied that hers carried some weight to it, which, as I said above, is not what you want to do to that type of insult. He then proved that he was bothered by spending so much more time thinking of another comeback.\nHis second comeback was basically \"no, you!\" (plus transphobia), which only really works if the other person is invested in the conversation. There's no indication she's even visited Twitter since her response to him.\n\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.\n\nIf you raid his properties and he's not even in the country, he's not going to come back to the country, and you're never going to be able to arrest him. You need to make sure he's there. They said that they had monitored his social media to try to figure out if he was in Romania, and then he made a very high-profile post containing evidence that he was in Romania. \"Pinging his cellphone\" only works if they know what phone he's using.", ">\n\nShe said \"yes, please do enlighten me. email me at [email protected]\" not \"you have a small penis.\" \nWhat she actually said could be more closely translated as \"Stop bragging about this silly shit, you pathetic tool.\" \nIn response, Andrew Tate blew up his own damn life with more poorly thought out and pathetic baggadocio, because he is indeed a pathetic tool.", ">\n\nI suppose Small Dick Energy =/= Small Dick.\nAt the same time you can understand the confusion.", ">\n\nNot really. I mean, unless you're a non-native English speaker or something. The context made the comment pretty clear IMO.", ">\n\nI used to get made fun of in the 6th grade because my penis was so big... I was the only black kid in my school. That's not cool man.\nI remember balling my eyes out going home and crying to my mom. I said \"Momma is my dick bigger than the other kids because I am black? Why they so racist!?\"\nShe said \"No son... This isn't racism. It is because you are fifteen and have been held back a few grades.\"", ">\n\nBy Andrew Tate" ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?", ">\n\nIf someone made either of these two suggested responses to his bait:\n\nYea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk? \nI am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nthey are being drawn in to his conversation. Taking his bait. \nHer actual response, by contrast, was dismissive, saying \"you're not worth conversing with\". That's a bigger take-down, and ended up baiting him so badly that he got himself arrested.", ">\n\nThat's just a low energy response like \"No you.\"", ">\n\nIt was clearly effective against him, what more do you want?\nA high energy response says \"you're worth the energy\". Clearly, though, Andrew Tate is not.", ">\n\nI don't think it was effective though. I don't believe he responded because:\n\"oh no my feeling are hurt now I gotta say something mean back!\"\nI think he responded because...\n\"I like my name on the headlines... Gimme more headlines! I love to be the center of attention! Me me me me me!\"", ">\n\nTo determine if something is effective, you need to look at the effect, which is that Andrew Tate is under arrest.", ">\n\nbro look at the news... he def got owned.", ">\n\nHe was owned by the police arresting him. Not by Greta", ">\n\nIf anything it was a self-own, because his own histrionic reaction to literally the mildest of taunts from a teenager online led police directly to his door.", ">\n\nIs there proof that him tweeting about Greta led police directly to his door? Doesn't he like own his house and pay property taxes and the police would know where to find him if they were looking?", ">\n\nthe pizza let the police know he was there to be arrested ... no tweet, no response, no arrest.", ">\n\nWow, that is pretty slick.\nSo the police saw the pizza box. Didn't know where he lived...\nThen they called that pizza place and got a list of addresses that they delivered to.", ">\n\nThe police have looking for him since April, and haven't been able to confirm he was in fact in Hungary at his house, until he replied with the video showing a Hungarian national pizza chain box in the video.", ">\n\nRomanian, but other than that you're correct", ">\n\nI came in here expecting a different analysis. I will attempt to CYV about why it wasn't an own, not try to convince you it was an own.\nFirst of all, in twitterworld, it was, definitively, an own. She ratio'd the fuck out of him, and he got arrested the next day. I predict that that will function as the urbandictionary.com definition of \"ratiod\" going forward. It doesn't matter that you have a paragraph analysis of a funnier \"own,\" twitter disagrees with you. Honestly she could have just replied \"cringe\" and ratiod him just as hard, it's kinda irrelevant what she said, realistically he self-owned by tweeting at her at all. \nHowever, it wasn't like, great, that she did that. He's a shithead troll that we really should all just be ignoring. He has a massive audience of incels and other disaffected men, unfortunately, but he's not worthy of anybody's attention. \nI don't think he's very smart, but I think he's a savvy Content operator at some level, and he managed to get lots of clicks and eyeballs for the exchange. It's pretty common to @ someone famous in an attempt to get them to acknowledge you in ANY way at all, negative positive doesn't matter, if they publicly acknowledge you, that's clout, that's click, that's expanded audience. \nHolistic context, in some ways she helped him grow his audience. Close the lens a bit though and no dude she fucking owned his ass harder come the fuck on lmao", ">\n\nShe accurately assessed that he is insecure about his masculinity.\nShe then gave a very low-effort, dismissive insult, and his responses showed that it really got to him. He made a video response to it.\nYour proposed response is... not funny. Hers wasn't particularly funny, it was dismissive. He responded an hour and a half later with \"How dare you?!\", a quote she said to the UN a number of years ago, but... it doesn't really fit or make sense. It is, at the very least, a joking admission that he cares about what she said. Ten hours later, he had filmed a video response as a new comeback, putting so much more effort into the entire conversation than she did.\nHer tweet amassed a lot of likes and praise prior to his video response resulting in him confirming to the Romanian authorities that he was still in the country (the pizza he had someone bring him to make him look cool was clearly from a Romanian pizzeria), making it possible for them to raid his properties, because of how little effort it took her to knock him off his overconfident pedestal.", ">\n\nI don't think he feels insecure about his masculinity. He has this massive ego like a Donald Trump or a Kanye West type of person. He is far too narcissistic and self centered to have such insecurities. Unless he has some sort of \"Imposter Syndrome\" or other similar disorder.\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\nI see it as more of a \"More headlines for me? Gimme gimme gimme!\"\nI'm not a professional comedian. I thought it would be a funnier response or at least a better insult than Gretas. Greta's response came off as a bit tone deaf to me. Like preaching to the choir.\nThe \"How Dare you?\" response by Tate is fitting. That is her catchphrase. That was her 15 minutes of fame.\nIt's like a \"You insulted me? How dare you?\"\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.", ">\n\nHis response demonstrates his insecurity. You don't get worked up about that sort of insult unless it really bothers you. He views women as property and targets teenagers because he considers them to be more impressionable. I think it really bothered him to have her question his masculinity, and him obsessing over it for so long demonstrates that.\n\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\n\nDo you think I'm saying he's insecure about his masculinity because he really does have a small penis? His penis is irrelevant. Call of Duty-level insults like that aren't about penis size, or actually having sex with someone's mother, or anything else like that. Toxic masculinity is obsessed with penis size, so saying that someone has a small penis is an attack on their claims to masculinity. The worst way to respond to that sort of insult... is to respond to it.\nYes, his initial response correctly identified who he was talking to, but is it fitting? His response implied that hers carried some weight to it, which, as I said above, is not what you want to do to that type of insult. He then proved that he was bothered by spending so much more time thinking of another comeback.\nHis second comeback was basically \"no, you!\" (plus transphobia), which only really works if the other person is invested in the conversation. There's no indication she's even visited Twitter since her response to him.\n\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.\n\nIf you raid his properties and he's not even in the country, he's not going to come back to the country, and you're never going to be able to arrest him. You need to make sure he's there. They said that they had monitored his social media to try to figure out if he was in Romania, and then he made a very high-profile post containing evidence that he was in Romania. \"Pinging his cellphone\" only works if they know what phone he's using.", ">\n\nShe said \"yes, please do enlighten me. email me at [email protected]\" not \"you have a small penis.\" \nWhat she actually said could be more closely translated as \"Stop bragging about this silly shit, you pathetic tool.\" \nIn response, Andrew Tate blew up his own damn life with more poorly thought out and pathetic baggadocio, because he is indeed a pathetic tool.", ">\n\nI suppose Small Dick Energy =/= Small Dick.\nAt the same time you can understand the confusion.", ">\n\nNot really. I mean, unless you're a non-native English speaker or something. The context made the comment pretty clear IMO.", ">\n\nI used to get made fun of in the 6th grade because my penis was so big... I was the only black kid in my school. That's not cool man.\nI remember balling my eyes out going home and crying to my mom. I said \"Momma is my dick bigger than the other kids because I am black? Why they so racist!?\"\nShe said \"No son... This isn't racism. It is because you are fifteen and have been held back a few grades.\"", ">\n\nBy Andrew Tate", ">\n\nThis post has small dick energy. Change my mind." ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?", ">\n\nIf someone made either of these two suggested responses to his bait:\n\nYea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk? \nI am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nthey are being drawn in to his conversation. Taking his bait. \nHer actual response, by contrast, was dismissive, saying \"you're not worth conversing with\". That's a bigger take-down, and ended up baiting him so badly that he got himself arrested.", ">\n\nThat's just a low energy response like \"No you.\"", ">\n\nIt was clearly effective against him, what more do you want?\nA high energy response says \"you're worth the energy\". Clearly, though, Andrew Tate is not.", ">\n\nI don't think it was effective though. I don't believe he responded because:\n\"oh no my feeling are hurt now I gotta say something mean back!\"\nI think he responded because...\n\"I like my name on the headlines... Gimme more headlines! I love to be the center of attention! Me me me me me!\"", ">\n\nTo determine if something is effective, you need to look at the effect, which is that Andrew Tate is under arrest.", ">\n\nbro look at the news... he def got owned.", ">\n\nHe was owned by the police arresting him. Not by Greta", ">\n\nIf anything it was a self-own, because his own histrionic reaction to literally the mildest of taunts from a teenager online led police directly to his door.", ">\n\nIs there proof that him tweeting about Greta led police directly to his door? Doesn't he like own his house and pay property taxes and the police would know where to find him if they were looking?", ">\n\nthe pizza let the police know he was there to be arrested ... no tweet, no response, no arrest.", ">\n\nWow, that is pretty slick.\nSo the police saw the pizza box. Didn't know where he lived...\nThen they called that pizza place and got a list of addresses that they delivered to.", ">\n\nThe police have looking for him since April, and haven't been able to confirm he was in fact in Hungary at his house, until he replied with the video showing a Hungarian national pizza chain box in the video.", ">\n\nRomanian, but other than that you're correct", ">\n\nI came in here expecting a different analysis. I will attempt to CYV about why it wasn't an own, not try to convince you it was an own.\nFirst of all, in twitterworld, it was, definitively, an own. She ratio'd the fuck out of him, and he got arrested the next day. I predict that that will function as the urbandictionary.com definition of \"ratiod\" going forward. It doesn't matter that you have a paragraph analysis of a funnier \"own,\" twitter disagrees with you. Honestly she could have just replied \"cringe\" and ratiod him just as hard, it's kinda irrelevant what she said, realistically he self-owned by tweeting at her at all. \nHowever, it wasn't like, great, that she did that. He's a shithead troll that we really should all just be ignoring. He has a massive audience of incels and other disaffected men, unfortunately, but he's not worthy of anybody's attention. \nI don't think he's very smart, but I think he's a savvy Content operator at some level, and he managed to get lots of clicks and eyeballs for the exchange. It's pretty common to @ someone famous in an attempt to get them to acknowledge you in ANY way at all, negative positive doesn't matter, if they publicly acknowledge you, that's clout, that's click, that's expanded audience. \nHolistic context, in some ways she helped him grow his audience. Close the lens a bit though and no dude she fucking owned his ass harder come the fuck on lmao", ">\n\nShe accurately assessed that he is insecure about his masculinity.\nShe then gave a very low-effort, dismissive insult, and his responses showed that it really got to him. He made a video response to it.\nYour proposed response is... not funny. Hers wasn't particularly funny, it was dismissive. He responded an hour and a half later with \"How dare you?!\", a quote she said to the UN a number of years ago, but... it doesn't really fit or make sense. It is, at the very least, a joking admission that he cares about what she said. Ten hours later, he had filmed a video response as a new comeback, putting so much more effort into the entire conversation than she did.\nHer tweet amassed a lot of likes and praise prior to his video response resulting in him confirming to the Romanian authorities that he was still in the country (the pizza he had someone bring him to make him look cool was clearly from a Romanian pizzeria), making it possible for them to raid his properties, because of how little effort it took her to knock him off his overconfident pedestal.", ">\n\nI don't think he feels insecure about his masculinity. He has this massive ego like a Donald Trump or a Kanye West type of person. He is far too narcissistic and self centered to have such insecurities. Unless he has some sort of \"Imposter Syndrome\" or other similar disorder.\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\nI see it as more of a \"More headlines for me? Gimme gimme gimme!\"\nI'm not a professional comedian. I thought it would be a funnier response or at least a better insult than Gretas. Greta's response came off as a bit tone deaf to me. Like preaching to the choir.\nThe \"How Dare you?\" response by Tate is fitting. That is her catchphrase. That was her 15 minutes of fame.\nIt's like a \"You insulted me? How dare you?\"\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.", ">\n\nHis response demonstrates his insecurity. You don't get worked up about that sort of insult unless it really bothers you. He views women as property and targets teenagers because he considers them to be more impressionable. I think it really bothered him to have her question his masculinity, and him obsessing over it for so long demonstrates that.\n\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\n\nDo you think I'm saying he's insecure about his masculinity because he really does have a small penis? His penis is irrelevant. Call of Duty-level insults like that aren't about penis size, or actually having sex with someone's mother, or anything else like that. Toxic masculinity is obsessed with penis size, so saying that someone has a small penis is an attack on their claims to masculinity. The worst way to respond to that sort of insult... is to respond to it.\nYes, his initial response correctly identified who he was talking to, but is it fitting? His response implied that hers carried some weight to it, which, as I said above, is not what you want to do to that type of insult. He then proved that he was bothered by spending so much more time thinking of another comeback.\nHis second comeback was basically \"no, you!\" (plus transphobia), which only really works if the other person is invested in the conversation. There's no indication she's even visited Twitter since her response to him.\n\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.\n\nIf you raid his properties and he's not even in the country, he's not going to come back to the country, and you're never going to be able to arrest him. You need to make sure he's there. They said that they had monitored his social media to try to figure out if he was in Romania, and then he made a very high-profile post containing evidence that he was in Romania. \"Pinging his cellphone\" only works if they know what phone he's using.", ">\n\nShe said \"yes, please do enlighten me. email me at [email protected]\" not \"you have a small penis.\" \nWhat she actually said could be more closely translated as \"Stop bragging about this silly shit, you pathetic tool.\" \nIn response, Andrew Tate blew up his own damn life with more poorly thought out and pathetic baggadocio, because he is indeed a pathetic tool.", ">\n\nI suppose Small Dick Energy =/= Small Dick.\nAt the same time you can understand the confusion.", ">\n\nNot really. I mean, unless you're a non-native English speaker or something. The context made the comment pretty clear IMO.", ">\n\nI used to get made fun of in the 6th grade because my penis was so big... I was the only black kid in my school. That's not cool man.\nI remember balling my eyes out going home and crying to my mom. I said \"Momma is my dick bigger than the other kids because I am black? Why they so racist!?\"\nShe said \"No son... This isn't racism. It is because you are fifteen and have been held back a few grades.\"", ">\n\nBy Andrew Tate", ">\n\nThis post has small dick energy. Change my mind.", ">\n\nThere's something to be said for the idea of body shaming always being wrong, but when I think of how this ultimately went for Tate the first word that leaps to mind is definitely not \"empowered.\"" ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?", ">\n\nIf someone made either of these two suggested responses to his bait:\n\nYea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk? \nI am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nthey are being drawn in to his conversation. Taking his bait. \nHer actual response, by contrast, was dismissive, saying \"you're not worth conversing with\". That's a bigger take-down, and ended up baiting him so badly that he got himself arrested.", ">\n\nThat's just a low energy response like \"No you.\"", ">\n\nIt was clearly effective against him, what more do you want?\nA high energy response says \"you're worth the energy\". Clearly, though, Andrew Tate is not.", ">\n\nI don't think it was effective though. I don't believe he responded because:\n\"oh no my feeling are hurt now I gotta say something mean back!\"\nI think he responded because...\n\"I like my name on the headlines... Gimme more headlines! I love to be the center of attention! Me me me me me!\"", ">\n\nTo determine if something is effective, you need to look at the effect, which is that Andrew Tate is under arrest.", ">\n\nbro look at the news... he def got owned.", ">\n\nHe was owned by the police arresting him. Not by Greta", ">\n\nIf anything it was a self-own, because his own histrionic reaction to literally the mildest of taunts from a teenager online led police directly to his door.", ">\n\nIs there proof that him tweeting about Greta led police directly to his door? Doesn't he like own his house and pay property taxes and the police would know where to find him if they were looking?", ">\n\nthe pizza let the police know he was there to be arrested ... no tweet, no response, no arrest.", ">\n\nWow, that is pretty slick.\nSo the police saw the pizza box. Didn't know where he lived...\nThen they called that pizza place and got a list of addresses that they delivered to.", ">\n\nThe police have looking for him since April, and haven't been able to confirm he was in fact in Hungary at his house, until he replied with the video showing a Hungarian national pizza chain box in the video.", ">\n\nRomanian, but other than that you're correct", ">\n\nI came in here expecting a different analysis. I will attempt to CYV about why it wasn't an own, not try to convince you it was an own.\nFirst of all, in twitterworld, it was, definitively, an own. She ratio'd the fuck out of him, and he got arrested the next day. I predict that that will function as the urbandictionary.com definition of \"ratiod\" going forward. It doesn't matter that you have a paragraph analysis of a funnier \"own,\" twitter disagrees with you. Honestly she could have just replied \"cringe\" and ratiod him just as hard, it's kinda irrelevant what she said, realistically he self-owned by tweeting at her at all. \nHowever, it wasn't like, great, that she did that. He's a shithead troll that we really should all just be ignoring. He has a massive audience of incels and other disaffected men, unfortunately, but he's not worthy of anybody's attention. \nI don't think he's very smart, but I think he's a savvy Content operator at some level, and he managed to get lots of clicks and eyeballs for the exchange. It's pretty common to @ someone famous in an attempt to get them to acknowledge you in ANY way at all, negative positive doesn't matter, if they publicly acknowledge you, that's clout, that's click, that's expanded audience. \nHolistic context, in some ways she helped him grow his audience. Close the lens a bit though and no dude she fucking owned his ass harder come the fuck on lmao", ">\n\nShe accurately assessed that he is insecure about his masculinity.\nShe then gave a very low-effort, dismissive insult, and his responses showed that it really got to him. He made a video response to it.\nYour proposed response is... not funny. Hers wasn't particularly funny, it was dismissive. He responded an hour and a half later with \"How dare you?!\", a quote she said to the UN a number of years ago, but... it doesn't really fit or make sense. It is, at the very least, a joking admission that he cares about what she said. Ten hours later, he had filmed a video response as a new comeback, putting so much more effort into the entire conversation than she did.\nHer tweet amassed a lot of likes and praise prior to his video response resulting in him confirming to the Romanian authorities that he was still in the country (the pizza he had someone bring him to make him look cool was clearly from a Romanian pizzeria), making it possible for them to raid his properties, because of how little effort it took her to knock him off his overconfident pedestal.", ">\n\nI don't think he feels insecure about his masculinity. He has this massive ego like a Donald Trump or a Kanye West type of person. He is far too narcissistic and self centered to have such insecurities. Unless he has some sort of \"Imposter Syndrome\" or other similar disorder.\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\nI see it as more of a \"More headlines for me? Gimme gimme gimme!\"\nI'm not a professional comedian. I thought it would be a funnier response or at least a better insult than Gretas. Greta's response came off as a bit tone deaf to me. Like preaching to the choir.\nThe \"How Dare you?\" response by Tate is fitting. That is her catchphrase. That was her 15 minutes of fame.\nIt's like a \"You insulted me? How dare you?\"\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.", ">\n\nHis response demonstrates his insecurity. You don't get worked up about that sort of insult unless it really bothers you. He views women as property and targets teenagers because he considers them to be more impressionable. I think it really bothered him to have her question his masculinity, and him obsessing over it for so long demonstrates that.\n\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\n\nDo you think I'm saying he's insecure about his masculinity because he really does have a small penis? His penis is irrelevant. Call of Duty-level insults like that aren't about penis size, or actually having sex with someone's mother, or anything else like that. Toxic masculinity is obsessed with penis size, so saying that someone has a small penis is an attack on their claims to masculinity. The worst way to respond to that sort of insult... is to respond to it.\nYes, his initial response correctly identified who he was talking to, but is it fitting? His response implied that hers carried some weight to it, which, as I said above, is not what you want to do to that type of insult. He then proved that he was bothered by spending so much more time thinking of another comeback.\nHis second comeback was basically \"no, you!\" (plus transphobia), which only really works if the other person is invested in the conversation. There's no indication she's even visited Twitter since her response to him.\n\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.\n\nIf you raid his properties and he's not even in the country, he's not going to come back to the country, and you're never going to be able to arrest him. You need to make sure he's there. They said that they had monitored his social media to try to figure out if he was in Romania, and then he made a very high-profile post containing evidence that he was in Romania. \"Pinging his cellphone\" only works if they know what phone he's using.", ">\n\nShe said \"yes, please do enlighten me. email me at [email protected]\" not \"you have a small penis.\" \nWhat she actually said could be more closely translated as \"Stop bragging about this silly shit, you pathetic tool.\" \nIn response, Andrew Tate blew up his own damn life with more poorly thought out and pathetic baggadocio, because he is indeed a pathetic tool.", ">\n\nI suppose Small Dick Energy =/= Small Dick.\nAt the same time you can understand the confusion.", ">\n\nNot really. I mean, unless you're a non-native English speaker or something. The context made the comment pretty clear IMO.", ">\n\nI used to get made fun of in the 6th grade because my penis was so big... I was the only black kid in my school. That's not cool man.\nI remember balling my eyes out going home and crying to my mom. I said \"Momma is my dick bigger than the other kids because I am black? Why they so racist!?\"\nShe said \"No son... This isn't racism. It is because you are fifteen and have been held back a few grades.\"", ">\n\nBy Andrew Tate", ">\n\nThis post has small dick energy. Change my mind.", ">\n\nThere's something to be said for the idea of body shaming always being wrong, but when I think of how this ultimately went for Tate the first word that leaps to mind is definitely not \"empowered.\"", ">\n\nI don't believe his tweeting or pizza ordering lead to his arrest.\nThe cops didn't show up and say \"You said something mean to greta we are locking you up!\"" ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?", ">\n\nIf someone made either of these two suggested responses to his bait:\n\nYea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk? \nI am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nthey are being drawn in to his conversation. Taking his bait. \nHer actual response, by contrast, was dismissive, saying \"you're not worth conversing with\". That's a bigger take-down, and ended up baiting him so badly that he got himself arrested.", ">\n\nThat's just a low energy response like \"No you.\"", ">\n\nIt was clearly effective against him, what more do you want?\nA high energy response says \"you're worth the energy\". Clearly, though, Andrew Tate is not.", ">\n\nI don't think it was effective though. I don't believe he responded because:\n\"oh no my feeling are hurt now I gotta say something mean back!\"\nI think he responded because...\n\"I like my name on the headlines... Gimme more headlines! I love to be the center of attention! Me me me me me!\"", ">\n\nTo determine if something is effective, you need to look at the effect, which is that Andrew Tate is under arrest.", ">\n\nbro look at the news... he def got owned.", ">\n\nHe was owned by the police arresting him. Not by Greta", ">\n\nIf anything it was a self-own, because his own histrionic reaction to literally the mildest of taunts from a teenager online led police directly to his door.", ">\n\nIs there proof that him tweeting about Greta led police directly to his door? Doesn't he like own his house and pay property taxes and the police would know where to find him if they were looking?", ">\n\nthe pizza let the police know he was there to be arrested ... no tweet, no response, no arrest.", ">\n\nWow, that is pretty slick.\nSo the police saw the pizza box. Didn't know where he lived...\nThen they called that pizza place and got a list of addresses that they delivered to.", ">\n\nThe police have looking for him since April, and haven't been able to confirm he was in fact in Hungary at his house, until he replied with the video showing a Hungarian national pizza chain box in the video.", ">\n\nRomanian, but other than that you're correct", ">\n\nI came in here expecting a different analysis. I will attempt to CYV about why it wasn't an own, not try to convince you it was an own.\nFirst of all, in twitterworld, it was, definitively, an own. She ratio'd the fuck out of him, and he got arrested the next day. I predict that that will function as the urbandictionary.com definition of \"ratiod\" going forward. It doesn't matter that you have a paragraph analysis of a funnier \"own,\" twitter disagrees with you. Honestly she could have just replied \"cringe\" and ratiod him just as hard, it's kinda irrelevant what she said, realistically he self-owned by tweeting at her at all. \nHowever, it wasn't like, great, that she did that. He's a shithead troll that we really should all just be ignoring. He has a massive audience of incels and other disaffected men, unfortunately, but he's not worthy of anybody's attention. \nI don't think he's very smart, but I think he's a savvy Content operator at some level, and he managed to get lots of clicks and eyeballs for the exchange. It's pretty common to @ someone famous in an attempt to get them to acknowledge you in ANY way at all, negative positive doesn't matter, if they publicly acknowledge you, that's clout, that's click, that's expanded audience. \nHolistic context, in some ways she helped him grow his audience. Close the lens a bit though and no dude she fucking owned his ass harder come the fuck on lmao", ">\n\nShe accurately assessed that he is insecure about his masculinity.\nShe then gave a very low-effort, dismissive insult, and his responses showed that it really got to him. He made a video response to it.\nYour proposed response is... not funny. Hers wasn't particularly funny, it was dismissive. He responded an hour and a half later with \"How dare you?!\", a quote she said to the UN a number of years ago, but... it doesn't really fit or make sense. It is, at the very least, a joking admission that he cares about what she said. Ten hours later, he had filmed a video response as a new comeback, putting so much more effort into the entire conversation than she did.\nHer tweet amassed a lot of likes and praise prior to his video response resulting in him confirming to the Romanian authorities that he was still in the country (the pizza he had someone bring him to make him look cool was clearly from a Romanian pizzeria), making it possible for them to raid his properties, because of how little effort it took her to knock him off his overconfident pedestal.", ">\n\nI don't think he feels insecure about his masculinity. He has this massive ego like a Donald Trump or a Kanye West type of person. He is far too narcissistic and self centered to have such insecurities. Unless he has some sort of \"Imposter Syndrome\" or other similar disorder.\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\nI see it as more of a \"More headlines for me? Gimme gimme gimme!\"\nI'm not a professional comedian. I thought it would be a funnier response or at least a better insult than Gretas. Greta's response came off as a bit tone deaf to me. Like preaching to the choir.\nThe \"How Dare you?\" response by Tate is fitting. That is her catchphrase. That was her 15 minutes of fame.\nIt's like a \"You insulted me? How dare you?\"\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.", ">\n\nHis response demonstrates his insecurity. You don't get worked up about that sort of insult unless it really bothers you. He views women as property and targets teenagers because he considers them to be more impressionable. I think it really bothered him to have her question his masculinity, and him obsessing over it for so long demonstrates that.\n\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\n\nDo you think I'm saying he's insecure about his masculinity because he really does have a small penis? His penis is irrelevant. Call of Duty-level insults like that aren't about penis size, or actually having sex with someone's mother, or anything else like that. Toxic masculinity is obsessed with penis size, so saying that someone has a small penis is an attack on their claims to masculinity. The worst way to respond to that sort of insult... is to respond to it.\nYes, his initial response correctly identified who he was talking to, but is it fitting? His response implied that hers carried some weight to it, which, as I said above, is not what you want to do to that type of insult. He then proved that he was bothered by spending so much more time thinking of another comeback.\nHis second comeback was basically \"no, you!\" (plus transphobia), which only really works if the other person is invested in the conversation. There's no indication she's even visited Twitter since her response to him.\n\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.\n\nIf you raid his properties and he's not even in the country, he's not going to come back to the country, and you're never going to be able to arrest him. You need to make sure he's there. They said that they had monitored his social media to try to figure out if he was in Romania, and then he made a very high-profile post containing evidence that he was in Romania. \"Pinging his cellphone\" only works if they know what phone he's using.", ">\n\nShe said \"yes, please do enlighten me. email me at [email protected]\" not \"you have a small penis.\" \nWhat she actually said could be more closely translated as \"Stop bragging about this silly shit, you pathetic tool.\" \nIn response, Andrew Tate blew up his own damn life with more poorly thought out and pathetic baggadocio, because he is indeed a pathetic tool.", ">\n\nI suppose Small Dick Energy =/= Small Dick.\nAt the same time you can understand the confusion.", ">\n\nNot really. I mean, unless you're a non-native English speaker or something. The context made the comment pretty clear IMO.", ">\n\nI used to get made fun of in the 6th grade because my penis was so big... I was the only black kid in my school. That's not cool man.\nI remember balling my eyes out going home and crying to my mom. I said \"Momma is my dick bigger than the other kids because I am black? Why they so racist!?\"\nShe said \"No son... This isn't racism. It is because you are fifteen and have been held back a few grades.\"", ">\n\nBy Andrew Tate", ">\n\nThis post has small dick energy. Change my mind.", ">\n\nThere's something to be said for the idea of body shaming always being wrong, but when I think of how this ultimately went for Tate the first word that leaps to mind is definitely not \"empowered.\"", ">\n\nI don't believe his tweeting or pizza ordering lead to his arrest.\nThe cops didn't show up and say \"You said something mean to greta we are locking you up!\"", ">\n\nI mean that depends entirely on if his dick is actually small or not doesn't it? \nIf an autist like Greta can figure out you have a small dick from a tweet, that's going to hurt... like A LOT.\nThat said if his dick is average or better it's going to do nothing." ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?", ">\n\nIf someone made either of these two suggested responses to his bait:\n\nYea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk? \nI am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nthey are being drawn in to his conversation. Taking his bait. \nHer actual response, by contrast, was dismissive, saying \"you're not worth conversing with\". That's a bigger take-down, and ended up baiting him so badly that he got himself arrested.", ">\n\nThat's just a low energy response like \"No you.\"", ">\n\nIt was clearly effective against him, what more do you want?\nA high energy response says \"you're worth the energy\". Clearly, though, Andrew Tate is not.", ">\n\nI don't think it was effective though. I don't believe he responded because:\n\"oh no my feeling are hurt now I gotta say something mean back!\"\nI think he responded because...\n\"I like my name on the headlines... Gimme more headlines! I love to be the center of attention! Me me me me me!\"", ">\n\nTo determine if something is effective, you need to look at the effect, which is that Andrew Tate is under arrest.", ">\n\nbro look at the news... he def got owned.", ">\n\nHe was owned by the police arresting him. Not by Greta", ">\n\nIf anything it was a self-own, because his own histrionic reaction to literally the mildest of taunts from a teenager online led police directly to his door.", ">\n\nIs there proof that him tweeting about Greta led police directly to his door? Doesn't he like own his house and pay property taxes and the police would know where to find him if they were looking?", ">\n\nthe pizza let the police know he was there to be arrested ... no tweet, no response, no arrest.", ">\n\nWow, that is pretty slick.\nSo the police saw the pizza box. Didn't know where he lived...\nThen they called that pizza place and got a list of addresses that they delivered to.", ">\n\nThe police have looking for him since April, and haven't been able to confirm he was in fact in Hungary at his house, until he replied with the video showing a Hungarian national pizza chain box in the video.", ">\n\nRomanian, but other than that you're correct", ">\n\nI came in here expecting a different analysis. I will attempt to CYV about why it wasn't an own, not try to convince you it was an own.\nFirst of all, in twitterworld, it was, definitively, an own. She ratio'd the fuck out of him, and he got arrested the next day. I predict that that will function as the urbandictionary.com definition of \"ratiod\" going forward. It doesn't matter that you have a paragraph analysis of a funnier \"own,\" twitter disagrees with you. Honestly she could have just replied \"cringe\" and ratiod him just as hard, it's kinda irrelevant what she said, realistically he self-owned by tweeting at her at all. \nHowever, it wasn't like, great, that she did that. He's a shithead troll that we really should all just be ignoring. He has a massive audience of incels and other disaffected men, unfortunately, but he's not worthy of anybody's attention. \nI don't think he's very smart, but I think he's a savvy Content operator at some level, and he managed to get lots of clicks and eyeballs for the exchange. It's pretty common to @ someone famous in an attempt to get them to acknowledge you in ANY way at all, negative positive doesn't matter, if they publicly acknowledge you, that's clout, that's click, that's expanded audience. \nHolistic context, in some ways she helped him grow his audience. Close the lens a bit though and no dude she fucking owned his ass harder come the fuck on lmao", ">\n\nShe accurately assessed that he is insecure about his masculinity.\nShe then gave a very low-effort, dismissive insult, and his responses showed that it really got to him. He made a video response to it.\nYour proposed response is... not funny. Hers wasn't particularly funny, it was dismissive. He responded an hour and a half later with \"How dare you?!\", a quote she said to the UN a number of years ago, but... it doesn't really fit or make sense. It is, at the very least, a joking admission that he cares about what she said. Ten hours later, he had filmed a video response as a new comeback, putting so much more effort into the entire conversation than she did.\nHer tweet amassed a lot of likes and praise prior to his video response resulting in him confirming to the Romanian authorities that he was still in the country (the pizza he had someone bring him to make him look cool was clearly from a Romanian pizzeria), making it possible for them to raid his properties, because of how little effort it took her to knock him off his overconfident pedestal.", ">\n\nI don't think he feels insecure about his masculinity. He has this massive ego like a Donald Trump or a Kanye West type of person. He is far too narcissistic and self centered to have such insecurities. Unless he has some sort of \"Imposter Syndrome\" or other similar disorder.\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\nI see it as more of a \"More headlines for me? Gimme gimme gimme!\"\nI'm not a professional comedian. I thought it would be a funnier response or at least a better insult than Gretas. Greta's response came off as a bit tone deaf to me. Like preaching to the choir.\nThe \"How Dare you?\" response by Tate is fitting. That is her catchphrase. That was her 15 minutes of fame.\nIt's like a \"You insulted me? How dare you?\"\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.", ">\n\nHis response demonstrates his insecurity. You don't get worked up about that sort of insult unless it really bothers you. He views women as property and targets teenagers because he considers them to be more impressionable. I think it really bothered him to have her question his masculinity, and him obsessing over it for so long demonstrates that.\n\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\n\nDo you think I'm saying he's insecure about his masculinity because he really does have a small penis? His penis is irrelevant. Call of Duty-level insults like that aren't about penis size, or actually having sex with someone's mother, or anything else like that. Toxic masculinity is obsessed with penis size, so saying that someone has a small penis is an attack on their claims to masculinity. The worst way to respond to that sort of insult... is to respond to it.\nYes, his initial response correctly identified who he was talking to, but is it fitting? His response implied that hers carried some weight to it, which, as I said above, is not what you want to do to that type of insult. He then proved that he was bothered by spending so much more time thinking of another comeback.\nHis second comeback was basically \"no, you!\" (plus transphobia), which only really works if the other person is invested in the conversation. There's no indication she's even visited Twitter since her response to him.\n\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.\n\nIf you raid his properties and he's not even in the country, he's not going to come back to the country, and you're never going to be able to arrest him. You need to make sure he's there. They said that they had monitored his social media to try to figure out if he was in Romania, and then he made a very high-profile post containing evidence that he was in Romania. \"Pinging his cellphone\" only works if they know what phone he's using.", ">\n\nShe said \"yes, please do enlighten me. email me at [email protected]\" not \"you have a small penis.\" \nWhat she actually said could be more closely translated as \"Stop bragging about this silly shit, you pathetic tool.\" \nIn response, Andrew Tate blew up his own damn life with more poorly thought out and pathetic baggadocio, because he is indeed a pathetic tool.", ">\n\nI suppose Small Dick Energy =/= Small Dick.\nAt the same time you can understand the confusion.", ">\n\nNot really. I mean, unless you're a non-native English speaker or something. The context made the comment pretty clear IMO.", ">\n\nI used to get made fun of in the 6th grade because my penis was so big... I was the only black kid in my school. That's not cool man.\nI remember balling my eyes out going home and crying to my mom. I said \"Momma is my dick bigger than the other kids because I am black? Why they so racist!?\"\nShe said \"No son... This isn't racism. It is because you are fifteen and have been held back a few grades.\"", ">\n\nBy Andrew Tate", ">\n\nThis post has small dick energy. Change my mind.", ">\n\nThere's something to be said for the idea of body shaming always being wrong, but when I think of how this ultimately went for Tate the first word that leaps to mind is definitely not \"empowered.\"", ">\n\nI don't believe his tweeting or pizza ordering lead to his arrest.\nThe cops didn't show up and say \"You said something mean to greta we are locking you up!\"", ">\n\nI mean that depends entirely on if his dick is actually small or not doesn't it? \nIf an autist like Greta can figure out you have a small dick from a tweet, that's going to hurt... like A LOT.\nThat said if his dick is average or better it's going to do nothing.", ">\n\nBro her tweet literally led to him doxx himself with a video response and getting arrested by the Romanian police she totally fucking dunked on his ass stop being insecure about your penis size nobody cares." ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?", ">\n\nIf someone made either of these two suggested responses to his bait:\n\nYea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk? \nI am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nthey are being drawn in to his conversation. Taking his bait. \nHer actual response, by contrast, was dismissive, saying \"you're not worth conversing with\". That's a bigger take-down, and ended up baiting him so badly that he got himself arrested.", ">\n\nThat's just a low energy response like \"No you.\"", ">\n\nIt was clearly effective against him, what more do you want?\nA high energy response says \"you're worth the energy\". Clearly, though, Andrew Tate is not.", ">\n\nI don't think it was effective though. I don't believe he responded because:\n\"oh no my feeling are hurt now I gotta say something mean back!\"\nI think he responded because...\n\"I like my name on the headlines... Gimme more headlines! I love to be the center of attention! Me me me me me!\"", ">\n\nTo determine if something is effective, you need to look at the effect, which is that Andrew Tate is under arrest.", ">\n\nbro look at the news... he def got owned.", ">\n\nHe was owned by the police arresting him. Not by Greta", ">\n\nIf anything it was a self-own, because his own histrionic reaction to literally the mildest of taunts from a teenager online led police directly to his door.", ">\n\nIs there proof that him tweeting about Greta led police directly to his door? Doesn't he like own his house and pay property taxes and the police would know where to find him if they were looking?", ">\n\nthe pizza let the police know he was there to be arrested ... no tweet, no response, no arrest.", ">\n\nWow, that is pretty slick.\nSo the police saw the pizza box. Didn't know where he lived...\nThen they called that pizza place and got a list of addresses that they delivered to.", ">\n\nThe police have looking for him since April, and haven't been able to confirm he was in fact in Hungary at his house, until he replied with the video showing a Hungarian national pizza chain box in the video.", ">\n\nRomanian, but other than that you're correct", ">\n\nI came in here expecting a different analysis. I will attempt to CYV about why it wasn't an own, not try to convince you it was an own.\nFirst of all, in twitterworld, it was, definitively, an own. She ratio'd the fuck out of him, and he got arrested the next day. I predict that that will function as the urbandictionary.com definition of \"ratiod\" going forward. It doesn't matter that you have a paragraph analysis of a funnier \"own,\" twitter disagrees with you. Honestly she could have just replied \"cringe\" and ratiod him just as hard, it's kinda irrelevant what she said, realistically he self-owned by tweeting at her at all. \nHowever, it wasn't like, great, that she did that. He's a shithead troll that we really should all just be ignoring. He has a massive audience of incels and other disaffected men, unfortunately, but he's not worthy of anybody's attention. \nI don't think he's very smart, but I think he's a savvy Content operator at some level, and he managed to get lots of clicks and eyeballs for the exchange. It's pretty common to @ someone famous in an attempt to get them to acknowledge you in ANY way at all, negative positive doesn't matter, if they publicly acknowledge you, that's clout, that's click, that's expanded audience. \nHolistic context, in some ways she helped him grow his audience. Close the lens a bit though and no dude she fucking owned his ass harder come the fuck on lmao", ">\n\nShe accurately assessed that he is insecure about his masculinity.\nShe then gave a very low-effort, dismissive insult, and his responses showed that it really got to him. He made a video response to it.\nYour proposed response is... not funny. Hers wasn't particularly funny, it was dismissive. He responded an hour and a half later with \"How dare you?!\", a quote she said to the UN a number of years ago, but... it doesn't really fit or make sense. It is, at the very least, a joking admission that he cares about what she said. Ten hours later, he had filmed a video response as a new comeback, putting so much more effort into the entire conversation than she did.\nHer tweet amassed a lot of likes and praise prior to his video response resulting in him confirming to the Romanian authorities that he was still in the country (the pizza he had someone bring him to make him look cool was clearly from a Romanian pizzeria), making it possible for them to raid his properties, because of how little effort it took her to knock him off his overconfident pedestal.", ">\n\nI don't think he feels insecure about his masculinity. He has this massive ego like a Donald Trump or a Kanye West type of person. He is far too narcissistic and self centered to have such insecurities. Unless he has some sort of \"Imposter Syndrome\" or other similar disorder.\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\nI see it as more of a \"More headlines for me? Gimme gimme gimme!\"\nI'm not a professional comedian. I thought it would be a funnier response or at least a better insult than Gretas. Greta's response came off as a bit tone deaf to me. Like preaching to the choir.\nThe \"How Dare you?\" response by Tate is fitting. That is her catchphrase. That was her 15 minutes of fame.\nIt's like a \"You insulted me? How dare you?\"\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.", ">\n\nHis response demonstrates his insecurity. You don't get worked up about that sort of insult unless it really bothers you. He views women as property and targets teenagers because he considers them to be more impressionable. I think it really bothered him to have her question his masculinity, and him obsessing over it for so long demonstrates that.\n\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\n\nDo you think I'm saying he's insecure about his masculinity because he really does have a small penis? His penis is irrelevant. Call of Duty-level insults like that aren't about penis size, or actually having sex with someone's mother, or anything else like that. Toxic masculinity is obsessed with penis size, so saying that someone has a small penis is an attack on their claims to masculinity. The worst way to respond to that sort of insult... is to respond to it.\nYes, his initial response correctly identified who he was talking to, but is it fitting? His response implied that hers carried some weight to it, which, as I said above, is not what you want to do to that type of insult. He then proved that he was bothered by spending so much more time thinking of another comeback.\nHis second comeback was basically \"no, you!\" (plus transphobia), which only really works if the other person is invested in the conversation. There's no indication she's even visited Twitter since her response to him.\n\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.\n\nIf you raid his properties and he's not even in the country, he's not going to come back to the country, and you're never going to be able to arrest him. You need to make sure he's there. They said that they had monitored his social media to try to figure out if he was in Romania, and then he made a very high-profile post containing evidence that he was in Romania. \"Pinging his cellphone\" only works if they know what phone he's using.", ">\n\nShe said \"yes, please do enlighten me. email me at [email protected]\" not \"you have a small penis.\" \nWhat she actually said could be more closely translated as \"Stop bragging about this silly shit, you pathetic tool.\" \nIn response, Andrew Tate blew up his own damn life with more poorly thought out and pathetic baggadocio, because he is indeed a pathetic tool.", ">\n\nI suppose Small Dick Energy =/= Small Dick.\nAt the same time you can understand the confusion.", ">\n\nNot really. I mean, unless you're a non-native English speaker or something. The context made the comment pretty clear IMO.", ">\n\nI used to get made fun of in the 6th grade because my penis was so big... I was the only black kid in my school. That's not cool man.\nI remember balling my eyes out going home and crying to my mom. I said \"Momma is my dick bigger than the other kids because I am black? Why they so racist!?\"\nShe said \"No son... This isn't racism. It is because you are fifteen and have been held back a few grades.\"", ">\n\nBy Andrew Tate", ">\n\nThis post has small dick energy. Change my mind.", ">\n\nThere's something to be said for the idea of body shaming always being wrong, but when I think of how this ultimately went for Tate the first word that leaps to mind is definitely not \"empowered.\"", ">\n\nI don't believe his tweeting or pizza ordering lead to his arrest.\nThe cops didn't show up and say \"You said something mean to greta we are locking you up!\"", ">\n\nI mean that depends entirely on if his dick is actually small or not doesn't it? \nIf an autist like Greta can figure out you have a small dick from a tweet, that's going to hurt... like A LOT.\nThat said if his dick is average or better it's going to do nothing.", ">\n\nBro her tweet literally led to him doxx himself with a video response and getting arrested by the Romanian police she totally fucking dunked on his ass stop being insecure about your penis size nobody cares.", ">\n\nTate has been arrested for alleged Child Sex Trafficking and Rape. No teenager should ever confront a person like that. Tate is disgusting, narcissistic and twisted coming after a child." ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?", ">\n\nIf someone made either of these two suggested responses to his bait:\n\nYea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk? \nI am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nthey are being drawn in to his conversation. Taking his bait. \nHer actual response, by contrast, was dismissive, saying \"you're not worth conversing with\". That's a bigger take-down, and ended up baiting him so badly that he got himself arrested.", ">\n\nThat's just a low energy response like \"No you.\"", ">\n\nIt was clearly effective against him, what more do you want?\nA high energy response says \"you're worth the energy\". Clearly, though, Andrew Tate is not.", ">\n\nI don't think it was effective though. I don't believe he responded because:\n\"oh no my feeling are hurt now I gotta say something mean back!\"\nI think he responded because...\n\"I like my name on the headlines... Gimme more headlines! I love to be the center of attention! Me me me me me!\"", ">\n\nTo determine if something is effective, you need to look at the effect, which is that Andrew Tate is under arrest.", ">\n\nbro look at the news... he def got owned.", ">\n\nHe was owned by the police arresting him. Not by Greta", ">\n\nIf anything it was a self-own, because his own histrionic reaction to literally the mildest of taunts from a teenager online led police directly to his door.", ">\n\nIs there proof that him tweeting about Greta led police directly to his door? Doesn't he like own his house and pay property taxes and the police would know where to find him if they were looking?", ">\n\nthe pizza let the police know he was there to be arrested ... no tweet, no response, no arrest.", ">\n\nWow, that is pretty slick.\nSo the police saw the pizza box. Didn't know where he lived...\nThen they called that pizza place and got a list of addresses that they delivered to.", ">\n\nThe police have looking for him since April, and haven't been able to confirm he was in fact in Hungary at his house, until he replied with the video showing a Hungarian national pizza chain box in the video.", ">\n\nRomanian, but other than that you're correct", ">\n\nI came in here expecting a different analysis. I will attempt to CYV about why it wasn't an own, not try to convince you it was an own.\nFirst of all, in twitterworld, it was, definitively, an own. She ratio'd the fuck out of him, and he got arrested the next day. I predict that that will function as the urbandictionary.com definition of \"ratiod\" going forward. It doesn't matter that you have a paragraph analysis of a funnier \"own,\" twitter disagrees with you. Honestly she could have just replied \"cringe\" and ratiod him just as hard, it's kinda irrelevant what she said, realistically he self-owned by tweeting at her at all. \nHowever, it wasn't like, great, that she did that. He's a shithead troll that we really should all just be ignoring. He has a massive audience of incels and other disaffected men, unfortunately, but he's not worthy of anybody's attention. \nI don't think he's very smart, but I think he's a savvy Content operator at some level, and he managed to get lots of clicks and eyeballs for the exchange. It's pretty common to @ someone famous in an attempt to get them to acknowledge you in ANY way at all, negative positive doesn't matter, if they publicly acknowledge you, that's clout, that's click, that's expanded audience. \nHolistic context, in some ways she helped him grow his audience. Close the lens a bit though and no dude she fucking owned his ass harder come the fuck on lmao", ">\n\nShe accurately assessed that he is insecure about his masculinity.\nShe then gave a very low-effort, dismissive insult, and his responses showed that it really got to him. He made a video response to it.\nYour proposed response is... not funny. Hers wasn't particularly funny, it was dismissive. He responded an hour and a half later with \"How dare you?!\", a quote she said to the UN a number of years ago, but... it doesn't really fit or make sense. It is, at the very least, a joking admission that he cares about what she said. Ten hours later, he had filmed a video response as a new comeback, putting so much more effort into the entire conversation than she did.\nHer tweet amassed a lot of likes and praise prior to his video response resulting in him confirming to the Romanian authorities that he was still in the country (the pizza he had someone bring him to make him look cool was clearly from a Romanian pizzeria), making it possible for them to raid his properties, because of how little effort it took her to knock him off his overconfident pedestal.", ">\n\nI don't think he feels insecure about his masculinity. He has this massive ego like a Donald Trump or a Kanye West type of person. He is far too narcissistic and self centered to have such insecurities. Unless he has some sort of \"Imposter Syndrome\" or other similar disorder.\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\nI see it as more of a \"More headlines for me? Gimme gimme gimme!\"\nI'm not a professional comedian. I thought it would be a funnier response or at least a better insult than Gretas. Greta's response came off as a bit tone deaf to me. Like preaching to the choir.\nThe \"How Dare you?\" response by Tate is fitting. That is her catchphrase. That was her 15 minutes of fame.\nIt's like a \"You insulted me? How dare you?\"\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.", ">\n\nHis response demonstrates his insecurity. You don't get worked up about that sort of insult unless it really bothers you. He views women as property and targets teenagers because he considers them to be more impressionable. I think it really bothered him to have her question his masculinity, and him obsessing over it for so long demonstrates that.\n\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\n\nDo you think I'm saying he's insecure about his masculinity because he really does have a small penis? His penis is irrelevant. Call of Duty-level insults like that aren't about penis size, or actually having sex with someone's mother, or anything else like that. Toxic masculinity is obsessed with penis size, so saying that someone has a small penis is an attack on their claims to masculinity. The worst way to respond to that sort of insult... is to respond to it.\nYes, his initial response correctly identified who he was talking to, but is it fitting? His response implied that hers carried some weight to it, which, as I said above, is not what you want to do to that type of insult. He then proved that he was bothered by spending so much more time thinking of another comeback.\nHis second comeback was basically \"no, you!\" (plus transphobia), which only really works if the other person is invested in the conversation. There's no indication she's even visited Twitter since her response to him.\n\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.\n\nIf you raid his properties and he's not even in the country, he's not going to come back to the country, and you're never going to be able to arrest him. You need to make sure he's there. They said that they had monitored his social media to try to figure out if he was in Romania, and then he made a very high-profile post containing evidence that he was in Romania. \"Pinging his cellphone\" only works if they know what phone he's using.", ">\n\nShe said \"yes, please do enlighten me. email me at [email protected]\" not \"you have a small penis.\" \nWhat she actually said could be more closely translated as \"Stop bragging about this silly shit, you pathetic tool.\" \nIn response, Andrew Tate blew up his own damn life with more poorly thought out and pathetic baggadocio, because he is indeed a pathetic tool.", ">\n\nI suppose Small Dick Energy =/= Small Dick.\nAt the same time you can understand the confusion.", ">\n\nNot really. I mean, unless you're a non-native English speaker or something. The context made the comment pretty clear IMO.", ">\n\nI used to get made fun of in the 6th grade because my penis was so big... I was the only black kid in my school. That's not cool man.\nI remember balling my eyes out going home and crying to my mom. I said \"Momma is my dick bigger than the other kids because I am black? Why they so racist!?\"\nShe said \"No son... This isn't racism. It is because you are fifteen and have been held back a few grades.\"", ">\n\nBy Andrew Tate", ">\n\nThis post has small dick energy. Change my mind.", ">\n\nThere's something to be said for the idea of body shaming always being wrong, but when I think of how this ultimately went for Tate the first word that leaps to mind is definitely not \"empowered.\"", ">\n\nI don't believe his tweeting or pizza ordering lead to his arrest.\nThe cops didn't show up and say \"You said something mean to greta we are locking you up!\"", ">\n\nI mean that depends entirely on if his dick is actually small or not doesn't it? \nIf an autist like Greta can figure out you have a small dick from a tweet, that's going to hurt... like A LOT.\nThat said if his dick is average or better it's going to do nothing.", ">\n\nBro her tweet literally led to him doxx himself with a video response and getting arrested by the Romanian police she totally fucking dunked on his ass stop being insecure about your penis size nobody cares.", ">\n\nTate has been arrested for alleged Child Sex Trafficking and Rape. No teenager should ever confront a person like that. Tate is disgusting, narcissistic and twisted coming after a child.", ">\n\nHere is my take.\nIf you ever tried to argue with someone like Tate, especially with the example you provided, he would still respond in the same infantile way.\nThere is no insult “reasoning” with them. All that matters is that he got a hit in, and his crowd cheered and clapped at this Einstein level retort. If you play with shit like Tate might as well get into the mud.\nYou have to hit them with the schoolyard insult that even their fucking jackass crowd can understand. \nYes it is body shaming, but that is like me saying I hope Rush Limbaugh dies of cancer….because he literally sided with smoke companies to say smoking is not a risk to health. He fucking deserves it.\nSo basically the way I see it, when a human being decides to willfully unsubscribe to the collective progress and compassion of society; then inhuman insults are absolutely fair game." ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?", ">\n\nIf someone made either of these two suggested responses to his bait:\n\nYea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk? \nI am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nthey are being drawn in to his conversation. Taking his bait. \nHer actual response, by contrast, was dismissive, saying \"you're not worth conversing with\". That's a bigger take-down, and ended up baiting him so badly that he got himself arrested.", ">\n\nThat's just a low energy response like \"No you.\"", ">\n\nIt was clearly effective against him, what more do you want?\nA high energy response says \"you're worth the energy\". Clearly, though, Andrew Tate is not.", ">\n\nI don't think it was effective though. I don't believe he responded because:\n\"oh no my feeling are hurt now I gotta say something mean back!\"\nI think he responded because...\n\"I like my name on the headlines... Gimme more headlines! I love to be the center of attention! Me me me me me!\"", ">\n\nTo determine if something is effective, you need to look at the effect, which is that Andrew Tate is under arrest.", ">\n\nbro look at the news... he def got owned.", ">\n\nHe was owned by the police arresting him. Not by Greta", ">\n\nIf anything it was a self-own, because his own histrionic reaction to literally the mildest of taunts from a teenager online led police directly to his door.", ">\n\nIs there proof that him tweeting about Greta led police directly to his door? Doesn't he like own his house and pay property taxes and the police would know where to find him if they were looking?", ">\n\nthe pizza let the police know he was there to be arrested ... no tweet, no response, no arrest.", ">\n\nWow, that is pretty slick.\nSo the police saw the pizza box. Didn't know where he lived...\nThen they called that pizza place and got a list of addresses that they delivered to.", ">\n\nThe police have looking for him since April, and haven't been able to confirm he was in fact in Hungary at his house, until he replied with the video showing a Hungarian national pizza chain box in the video.", ">\n\nRomanian, but other than that you're correct", ">\n\nI came in here expecting a different analysis. I will attempt to CYV about why it wasn't an own, not try to convince you it was an own.\nFirst of all, in twitterworld, it was, definitively, an own. She ratio'd the fuck out of him, and he got arrested the next day. I predict that that will function as the urbandictionary.com definition of \"ratiod\" going forward. It doesn't matter that you have a paragraph analysis of a funnier \"own,\" twitter disagrees with you. Honestly she could have just replied \"cringe\" and ratiod him just as hard, it's kinda irrelevant what she said, realistically he self-owned by tweeting at her at all. \nHowever, it wasn't like, great, that she did that. He's a shithead troll that we really should all just be ignoring. He has a massive audience of incels and other disaffected men, unfortunately, but he's not worthy of anybody's attention. \nI don't think he's very smart, but I think he's a savvy Content operator at some level, and he managed to get lots of clicks and eyeballs for the exchange. It's pretty common to @ someone famous in an attempt to get them to acknowledge you in ANY way at all, negative positive doesn't matter, if they publicly acknowledge you, that's clout, that's click, that's expanded audience. \nHolistic context, in some ways she helped him grow his audience. Close the lens a bit though and no dude she fucking owned his ass harder come the fuck on lmao", ">\n\nShe accurately assessed that he is insecure about his masculinity.\nShe then gave a very low-effort, dismissive insult, and his responses showed that it really got to him. He made a video response to it.\nYour proposed response is... not funny. Hers wasn't particularly funny, it was dismissive. He responded an hour and a half later with \"How dare you?!\", a quote she said to the UN a number of years ago, but... it doesn't really fit or make sense. It is, at the very least, a joking admission that he cares about what she said. Ten hours later, he had filmed a video response as a new comeback, putting so much more effort into the entire conversation than she did.\nHer tweet amassed a lot of likes and praise prior to his video response resulting in him confirming to the Romanian authorities that he was still in the country (the pizza he had someone bring him to make him look cool was clearly from a Romanian pizzeria), making it possible for them to raid his properties, because of how little effort it took her to knock him off his overconfident pedestal.", ">\n\nI don't think he feels insecure about his masculinity. He has this massive ego like a Donald Trump or a Kanye West type of person. He is far too narcissistic and self centered to have such insecurities. Unless he has some sort of \"Imposter Syndrome\" or other similar disorder.\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\nI see it as more of a \"More headlines for me? Gimme gimme gimme!\"\nI'm not a professional comedian. I thought it would be a funnier response or at least a better insult than Gretas. Greta's response came off as a bit tone deaf to me. Like preaching to the choir.\nThe \"How Dare you?\" response by Tate is fitting. That is her catchphrase. That was her 15 minutes of fame.\nIt's like a \"You insulted me? How dare you?\"\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.", ">\n\nHis response demonstrates his insecurity. You don't get worked up about that sort of insult unless it really bothers you. He views women as property and targets teenagers because he considers them to be more impressionable. I think it really bothered him to have her question his masculinity, and him obsessing over it for so long demonstrates that.\n\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\n\nDo you think I'm saying he's insecure about his masculinity because he really does have a small penis? His penis is irrelevant. Call of Duty-level insults like that aren't about penis size, or actually having sex with someone's mother, or anything else like that. Toxic masculinity is obsessed with penis size, so saying that someone has a small penis is an attack on their claims to masculinity. The worst way to respond to that sort of insult... is to respond to it.\nYes, his initial response correctly identified who he was talking to, but is it fitting? His response implied that hers carried some weight to it, which, as I said above, is not what you want to do to that type of insult. He then proved that he was bothered by spending so much more time thinking of another comeback.\nHis second comeback was basically \"no, you!\" (plus transphobia), which only really works if the other person is invested in the conversation. There's no indication she's even visited Twitter since her response to him.\n\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.\n\nIf you raid his properties and he's not even in the country, he's not going to come back to the country, and you're never going to be able to arrest him. You need to make sure he's there. They said that they had monitored his social media to try to figure out if he was in Romania, and then he made a very high-profile post containing evidence that he was in Romania. \"Pinging his cellphone\" only works if they know what phone he's using.", ">\n\nShe said \"yes, please do enlighten me. email me at [email protected]\" not \"you have a small penis.\" \nWhat she actually said could be more closely translated as \"Stop bragging about this silly shit, you pathetic tool.\" \nIn response, Andrew Tate blew up his own damn life with more poorly thought out and pathetic baggadocio, because he is indeed a pathetic tool.", ">\n\nI suppose Small Dick Energy =/= Small Dick.\nAt the same time you can understand the confusion.", ">\n\nNot really. I mean, unless you're a non-native English speaker or something. The context made the comment pretty clear IMO.", ">\n\nI used to get made fun of in the 6th grade because my penis was so big... I was the only black kid in my school. That's not cool man.\nI remember balling my eyes out going home and crying to my mom. I said \"Momma is my dick bigger than the other kids because I am black? Why they so racist!?\"\nShe said \"No son... This isn't racism. It is because you are fifteen and have been held back a few grades.\"", ">\n\nBy Andrew Tate", ">\n\nThis post has small dick energy. Change my mind.", ">\n\nThere's something to be said for the idea of body shaming always being wrong, but when I think of how this ultimately went for Tate the first word that leaps to mind is definitely not \"empowered.\"", ">\n\nI don't believe his tweeting or pizza ordering lead to his arrest.\nThe cops didn't show up and say \"You said something mean to greta we are locking you up!\"", ">\n\nI mean that depends entirely on if his dick is actually small or not doesn't it? \nIf an autist like Greta can figure out you have a small dick from a tweet, that's going to hurt... like A LOT.\nThat said if his dick is average or better it's going to do nothing.", ">\n\nBro her tweet literally led to him doxx himself with a video response and getting arrested by the Romanian police she totally fucking dunked on his ass stop being insecure about your penis size nobody cares.", ">\n\nTate has been arrested for alleged Child Sex Trafficking and Rape. No teenager should ever confront a person like that. Tate is disgusting, narcissistic and twisted coming after a child.", ">\n\nHere is my take.\nIf you ever tried to argue with someone like Tate, especially with the example you provided, he would still respond in the same infantile way.\nThere is no insult “reasoning” with them. All that matters is that he got a hit in, and his crowd cheered and clapped at this Einstein level retort. If you play with shit like Tate might as well get into the mud.\nYou have to hit them with the schoolyard insult that even their fucking jackass crowd can understand. \nYes it is body shaming, but that is like me saying I hope Rush Limbaugh dies of cancer….because he literally sided with smoke companies to say smoking is not a risk to health. He fucking deserves it.\nSo basically the way I see it, when a human being decides to willfully unsubscribe to the collective progress and compassion of society; then inhuman insults are absolutely fair game.", ">\n\nyea but I think the reason to not body shame is you might hurt that one person with a low blow, but you make many other innocent people feel insecure." ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?", ">\n\nIf someone made either of these two suggested responses to his bait:\n\nYea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk? \nI am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nthey are being drawn in to his conversation. Taking his bait. \nHer actual response, by contrast, was dismissive, saying \"you're not worth conversing with\". That's a bigger take-down, and ended up baiting him so badly that he got himself arrested.", ">\n\nThat's just a low energy response like \"No you.\"", ">\n\nIt was clearly effective against him, what more do you want?\nA high energy response says \"you're worth the energy\". Clearly, though, Andrew Tate is not.", ">\n\nI don't think it was effective though. I don't believe he responded because:\n\"oh no my feeling are hurt now I gotta say something mean back!\"\nI think he responded because...\n\"I like my name on the headlines... Gimme more headlines! I love to be the center of attention! Me me me me me!\"", ">\n\nTo determine if something is effective, you need to look at the effect, which is that Andrew Tate is under arrest.", ">\n\nbro look at the news... he def got owned.", ">\n\nHe was owned by the police arresting him. Not by Greta", ">\n\nIf anything it was a self-own, because his own histrionic reaction to literally the mildest of taunts from a teenager online led police directly to his door.", ">\n\nIs there proof that him tweeting about Greta led police directly to his door? Doesn't he like own his house and pay property taxes and the police would know where to find him if they were looking?", ">\n\nthe pizza let the police know he was there to be arrested ... no tweet, no response, no arrest.", ">\n\nWow, that is pretty slick.\nSo the police saw the pizza box. Didn't know where he lived...\nThen they called that pizza place and got a list of addresses that they delivered to.", ">\n\nThe police have looking for him since April, and haven't been able to confirm he was in fact in Hungary at his house, until he replied with the video showing a Hungarian national pizza chain box in the video.", ">\n\nRomanian, but other than that you're correct", ">\n\nI came in here expecting a different analysis. I will attempt to CYV about why it wasn't an own, not try to convince you it was an own.\nFirst of all, in twitterworld, it was, definitively, an own. She ratio'd the fuck out of him, and he got arrested the next day. I predict that that will function as the urbandictionary.com definition of \"ratiod\" going forward. It doesn't matter that you have a paragraph analysis of a funnier \"own,\" twitter disagrees with you. Honestly she could have just replied \"cringe\" and ratiod him just as hard, it's kinda irrelevant what she said, realistically he self-owned by tweeting at her at all. \nHowever, it wasn't like, great, that she did that. He's a shithead troll that we really should all just be ignoring. He has a massive audience of incels and other disaffected men, unfortunately, but he's not worthy of anybody's attention. \nI don't think he's very smart, but I think he's a savvy Content operator at some level, and he managed to get lots of clicks and eyeballs for the exchange. It's pretty common to @ someone famous in an attempt to get them to acknowledge you in ANY way at all, negative positive doesn't matter, if they publicly acknowledge you, that's clout, that's click, that's expanded audience. \nHolistic context, in some ways she helped him grow his audience. Close the lens a bit though and no dude she fucking owned his ass harder come the fuck on lmao", ">\n\nShe accurately assessed that he is insecure about his masculinity.\nShe then gave a very low-effort, dismissive insult, and his responses showed that it really got to him. He made a video response to it.\nYour proposed response is... not funny. Hers wasn't particularly funny, it was dismissive. He responded an hour and a half later with \"How dare you?!\", a quote she said to the UN a number of years ago, but... it doesn't really fit or make sense. It is, at the very least, a joking admission that he cares about what she said. Ten hours later, he had filmed a video response as a new comeback, putting so much more effort into the entire conversation than she did.\nHer tweet amassed a lot of likes and praise prior to his video response resulting in him confirming to the Romanian authorities that he was still in the country (the pizza he had someone bring him to make him look cool was clearly from a Romanian pizzeria), making it possible for them to raid his properties, because of how little effort it took her to knock him off his overconfident pedestal.", ">\n\nI don't think he feels insecure about his masculinity. He has this massive ego like a Donald Trump or a Kanye West type of person. He is far too narcissistic and self centered to have such insecurities. Unless he has some sort of \"Imposter Syndrome\" or other similar disorder.\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\nI see it as more of a \"More headlines for me? Gimme gimme gimme!\"\nI'm not a professional comedian. I thought it would be a funnier response or at least a better insult than Gretas. Greta's response came off as a bit tone deaf to me. Like preaching to the choir.\nThe \"How Dare you?\" response by Tate is fitting. That is her catchphrase. That was her 15 minutes of fame.\nIt's like a \"You insulted me? How dare you?\"\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.", ">\n\nHis response demonstrates his insecurity. You don't get worked up about that sort of insult unless it really bothers you. He views women as property and targets teenagers because he considers them to be more impressionable. I think it really bothered him to have her question his masculinity, and him obsessing over it for so long demonstrates that.\n\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\n\nDo you think I'm saying he's insecure about his masculinity because he really does have a small penis? His penis is irrelevant. Call of Duty-level insults like that aren't about penis size, or actually having sex with someone's mother, or anything else like that. Toxic masculinity is obsessed with penis size, so saying that someone has a small penis is an attack on their claims to masculinity. The worst way to respond to that sort of insult... is to respond to it.\nYes, his initial response correctly identified who he was talking to, but is it fitting? His response implied that hers carried some weight to it, which, as I said above, is not what you want to do to that type of insult. He then proved that he was bothered by spending so much more time thinking of another comeback.\nHis second comeback was basically \"no, you!\" (plus transphobia), which only really works if the other person is invested in the conversation. There's no indication she's even visited Twitter since her response to him.\n\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.\n\nIf you raid his properties and he's not even in the country, he's not going to come back to the country, and you're never going to be able to arrest him. You need to make sure he's there. They said that they had monitored his social media to try to figure out if he was in Romania, and then he made a very high-profile post containing evidence that he was in Romania. \"Pinging his cellphone\" only works if they know what phone he's using.", ">\n\nShe said \"yes, please do enlighten me. email me at [email protected]\" not \"you have a small penis.\" \nWhat she actually said could be more closely translated as \"Stop bragging about this silly shit, you pathetic tool.\" \nIn response, Andrew Tate blew up his own damn life with more poorly thought out and pathetic baggadocio, because he is indeed a pathetic tool.", ">\n\nI suppose Small Dick Energy =/= Small Dick.\nAt the same time you can understand the confusion.", ">\n\nNot really. I mean, unless you're a non-native English speaker or something. The context made the comment pretty clear IMO.", ">\n\nI used to get made fun of in the 6th grade because my penis was so big... I was the only black kid in my school. That's not cool man.\nI remember balling my eyes out going home and crying to my mom. I said \"Momma is my dick bigger than the other kids because I am black? Why they so racist!?\"\nShe said \"No son... This isn't racism. It is because you are fifteen and have been held back a few grades.\"", ">\n\nBy Andrew Tate", ">\n\nThis post has small dick energy. Change my mind.", ">\n\nThere's something to be said for the idea of body shaming always being wrong, but when I think of how this ultimately went for Tate the first word that leaps to mind is definitely not \"empowered.\"", ">\n\nI don't believe his tweeting or pizza ordering lead to his arrest.\nThe cops didn't show up and say \"You said something mean to greta we are locking you up!\"", ">\n\nI mean that depends entirely on if his dick is actually small or not doesn't it? \nIf an autist like Greta can figure out you have a small dick from a tweet, that's going to hurt... like A LOT.\nThat said if his dick is average or better it's going to do nothing.", ">\n\nBro her tweet literally led to him doxx himself with a video response and getting arrested by the Romanian police she totally fucking dunked on his ass stop being insecure about your penis size nobody cares.", ">\n\nTate has been arrested for alleged Child Sex Trafficking and Rape. No teenager should ever confront a person like that. Tate is disgusting, narcissistic and twisted coming after a child.", ">\n\nHere is my take.\nIf you ever tried to argue with someone like Tate, especially with the example you provided, he would still respond in the same infantile way.\nThere is no insult “reasoning” with them. All that matters is that he got a hit in, and his crowd cheered and clapped at this Einstein level retort. If you play with shit like Tate might as well get into the mud.\nYou have to hit them with the schoolyard insult that even their fucking jackass crowd can understand. \nYes it is body shaming, but that is like me saying I hope Rush Limbaugh dies of cancer….because he literally sided with smoke companies to say smoking is not a risk to health. He fucking deserves it.\nSo basically the way I see it, when a human being decides to willfully unsubscribe to the collective progress and compassion of society; then inhuman insults are absolutely fair game.", ">\n\nyea but I think the reason to not body shame is you might hurt that one person with a low blow, but you make many other innocent people feel insecure.", ">\n\nIs this… is this George Costanza?" ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?", ">\n\nIf someone made either of these two suggested responses to his bait:\n\nYea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk? \nI am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nthey are being drawn in to his conversation. Taking his bait. \nHer actual response, by contrast, was dismissive, saying \"you're not worth conversing with\". That's a bigger take-down, and ended up baiting him so badly that he got himself arrested.", ">\n\nThat's just a low energy response like \"No you.\"", ">\n\nIt was clearly effective against him, what more do you want?\nA high energy response says \"you're worth the energy\". Clearly, though, Andrew Tate is not.", ">\n\nI don't think it was effective though. I don't believe he responded because:\n\"oh no my feeling are hurt now I gotta say something mean back!\"\nI think he responded because...\n\"I like my name on the headlines... Gimme more headlines! I love to be the center of attention! Me me me me me!\"", ">\n\nTo determine if something is effective, you need to look at the effect, which is that Andrew Tate is under arrest.", ">\n\nbro look at the news... he def got owned.", ">\n\nHe was owned by the police arresting him. Not by Greta", ">\n\nIf anything it was a self-own, because his own histrionic reaction to literally the mildest of taunts from a teenager online led police directly to his door.", ">\n\nIs there proof that him tweeting about Greta led police directly to his door? Doesn't he like own his house and pay property taxes and the police would know where to find him if they were looking?", ">\n\nthe pizza let the police know he was there to be arrested ... no tweet, no response, no arrest.", ">\n\nWow, that is pretty slick.\nSo the police saw the pizza box. Didn't know where he lived...\nThen they called that pizza place and got a list of addresses that they delivered to.", ">\n\nThe police have looking for him since April, and haven't been able to confirm he was in fact in Hungary at his house, until he replied with the video showing a Hungarian national pizza chain box in the video.", ">\n\nRomanian, but other than that you're correct", ">\n\nI came in here expecting a different analysis. I will attempt to CYV about why it wasn't an own, not try to convince you it was an own.\nFirst of all, in twitterworld, it was, definitively, an own. She ratio'd the fuck out of him, and he got arrested the next day. I predict that that will function as the urbandictionary.com definition of \"ratiod\" going forward. It doesn't matter that you have a paragraph analysis of a funnier \"own,\" twitter disagrees with you. Honestly she could have just replied \"cringe\" and ratiod him just as hard, it's kinda irrelevant what she said, realistically he self-owned by tweeting at her at all. \nHowever, it wasn't like, great, that she did that. He's a shithead troll that we really should all just be ignoring. He has a massive audience of incels and other disaffected men, unfortunately, but he's not worthy of anybody's attention. \nI don't think he's very smart, but I think he's a savvy Content operator at some level, and he managed to get lots of clicks and eyeballs for the exchange. It's pretty common to @ someone famous in an attempt to get them to acknowledge you in ANY way at all, negative positive doesn't matter, if they publicly acknowledge you, that's clout, that's click, that's expanded audience. \nHolistic context, in some ways she helped him grow his audience. Close the lens a bit though and no dude she fucking owned his ass harder come the fuck on lmao", ">\n\nShe accurately assessed that he is insecure about his masculinity.\nShe then gave a very low-effort, dismissive insult, and his responses showed that it really got to him. He made a video response to it.\nYour proposed response is... not funny. Hers wasn't particularly funny, it was dismissive. He responded an hour and a half later with \"How dare you?!\", a quote she said to the UN a number of years ago, but... it doesn't really fit or make sense. It is, at the very least, a joking admission that he cares about what she said. Ten hours later, he had filmed a video response as a new comeback, putting so much more effort into the entire conversation than she did.\nHer tweet amassed a lot of likes and praise prior to his video response resulting in him confirming to the Romanian authorities that he was still in the country (the pizza he had someone bring him to make him look cool was clearly from a Romanian pizzeria), making it possible for them to raid his properties, because of how little effort it took her to knock him off his overconfident pedestal.", ">\n\nI don't think he feels insecure about his masculinity. He has this massive ego like a Donald Trump or a Kanye West type of person. He is far too narcissistic and self centered to have such insecurities. Unless he has some sort of \"Imposter Syndrome\" or other similar disorder.\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\nI see it as more of a \"More headlines for me? Gimme gimme gimme!\"\nI'm not a professional comedian. I thought it would be a funnier response or at least a better insult than Gretas. Greta's response came off as a bit tone deaf to me. Like preaching to the choir.\nThe \"How Dare you?\" response by Tate is fitting. That is her catchphrase. That was her 15 minutes of fame.\nIt's like a \"You insulted me? How dare you?\"\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.", ">\n\nHis response demonstrates his insecurity. You don't get worked up about that sort of insult unless it really bothers you. He views women as property and targets teenagers because he considers them to be more impressionable. I think it really bothered him to have her question his masculinity, and him obsessing over it for so long demonstrates that.\n\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\n\nDo you think I'm saying he's insecure about his masculinity because he really does have a small penis? His penis is irrelevant. Call of Duty-level insults like that aren't about penis size, or actually having sex with someone's mother, or anything else like that. Toxic masculinity is obsessed with penis size, so saying that someone has a small penis is an attack on their claims to masculinity. The worst way to respond to that sort of insult... is to respond to it.\nYes, his initial response correctly identified who he was talking to, but is it fitting? His response implied that hers carried some weight to it, which, as I said above, is not what you want to do to that type of insult. He then proved that he was bothered by spending so much more time thinking of another comeback.\nHis second comeback was basically \"no, you!\" (plus transphobia), which only really works if the other person is invested in the conversation. There's no indication she's even visited Twitter since her response to him.\n\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.\n\nIf you raid his properties and he's not even in the country, he's not going to come back to the country, and you're never going to be able to arrest him. You need to make sure he's there. They said that they had monitored his social media to try to figure out if he was in Romania, and then he made a very high-profile post containing evidence that he was in Romania. \"Pinging his cellphone\" only works if they know what phone he's using.", ">\n\nShe said \"yes, please do enlighten me. email me at [email protected]\" not \"you have a small penis.\" \nWhat she actually said could be more closely translated as \"Stop bragging about this silly shit, you pathetic tool.\" \nIn response, Andrew Tate blew up his own damn life with more poorly thought out and pathetic baggadocio, because he is indeed a pathetic tool.", ">\n\nI suppose Small Dick Energy =/= Small Dick.\nAt the same time you can understand the confusion.", ">\n\nNot really. I mean, unless you're a non-native English speaker or something. The context made the comment pretty clear IMO.", ">\n\nI used to get made fun of in the 6th grade because my penis was so big... I was the only black kid in my school. That's not cool man.\nI remember balling my eyes out going home and crying to my mom. I said \"Momma is my dick bigger than the other kids because I am black? Why they so racist!?\"\nShe said \"No son... This isn't racism. It is because you are fifteen and have been held back a few grades.\"", ">\n\nBy Andrew Tate", ">\n\nThis post has small dick energy. Change my mind.", ">\n\nThere's something to be said for the idea of body shaming always being wrong, but when I think of how this ultimately went for Tate the first word that leaps to mind is definitely not \"empowered.\"", ">\n\nI don't believe his tweeting or pizza ordering lead to his arrest.\nThe cops didn't show up and say \"You said something mean to greta we are locking you up!\"", ">\n\nI mean that depends entirely on if his dick is actually small or not doesn't it? \nIf an autist like Greta can figure out you have a small dick from a tweet, that's going to hurt... like A LOT.\nThat said if his dick is average or better it's going to do nothing.", ">\n\nBro her tweet literally led to him doxx himself with a video response and getting arrested by the Romanian police she totally fucking dunked on his ass stop being insecure about your penis size nobody cares.", ">\n\nTate has been arrested for alleged Child Sex Trafficking and Rape. No teenager should ever confront a person like that. Tate is disgusting, narcissistic and twisted coming after a child.", ">\n\nHere is my take.\nIf you ever tried to argue with someone like Tate, especially with the example you provided, he would still respond in the same infantile way.\nThere is no insult “reasoning” with them. All that matters is that he got a hit in, and his crowd cheered and clapped at this Einstein level retort. If you play with shit like Tate might as well get into the mud.\nYou have to hit them with the schoolyard insult that even their fucking jackass crowd can understand. \nYes it is body shaming, but that is like me saying I hope Rush Limbaugh dies of cancer….because he literally sided with smoke companies to say smoking is not a risk to health. He fucking deserves it.\nSo basically the way I see it, when a human being decides to willfully unsubscribe to the collective progress and compassion of society; then inhuman insults are absolutely fair game.", ">\n\nyea but I think the reason to not body shame is you might hurt that one person with a low blow, but you make many other innocent people feel insecure.", ">\n\nIs this… is this George Costanza?", ">\n\nIt’s just shit talking. Who cares about shit talking? Frankly it’s immature on both ends." ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?", ">\n\nIf someone made either of these two suggested responses to his bait:\n\nYea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk? \nI am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nthey are being drawn in to his conversation. Taking his bait. \nHer actual response, by contrast, was dismissive, saying \"you're not worth conversing with\". That's a bigger take-down, and ended up baiting him so badly that he got himself arrested.", ">\n\nThat's just a low energy response like \"No you.\"", ">\n\nIt was clearly effective against him, what more do you want?\nA high energy response says \"you're worth the energy\". Clearly, though, Andrew Tate is not.", ">\n\nI don't think it was effective though. I don't believe he responded because:\n\"oh no my feeling are hurt now I gotta say something mean back!\"\nI think he responded because...\n\"I like my name on the headlines... Gimme more headlines! I love to be the center of attention! Me me me me me!\"", ">\n\nTo determine if something is effective, you need to look at the effect, which is that Andrew Tate is under arrest.", ">\n\nbro look at the news... he def got owned.", ">\n\nHe was owned by the police arresting him. Not by Greta", ">\n\nIf anything it was a self-own, because his own histrionic reaction to literally the mildest of taunts from a teenager online led police directly to his door.", ">\n\nIs there proof that him tweeting about Greta led police directly to his door? Doesn't he like own his house and pay property taxes and the police would know where to find him if they were looking?", ">\n\nthe pizza let the police know he was there to be arrested ... no tweet, no response, no arrest.", ">\n\nWow, that is pretty slick.\nSo the police saw the pizza box. Didn't know where he lived...\nThen they called that pizza place and got a list of addresses that they delivered to.", ">\n\nThe police have looking for him since April, and haven't been able to confirm he was in fact in Hungary at his house, until he replied with the video showing a Hungarian national pizza chain box in the video.", ">\n\nRomanian, but other than that you're correct", ">\n\nI came in here expecting a different analysis. I will attempt to CYV about why it wasn't an own, not try to convince you it was an own.\nFirst of all, in twitterworld, it was, definitively, an own. She ratio'd the fuck out of him, and he got arrested the next day. I predict that that will function as the urbandictionary.com definition of \"ratiod\" going forward. It doesn't matter that you have a paragraph analysis of a funnier \"own,\" twitter disagrees with you. Honestly she could have just replied \"cringe\" and ratiod him just as hard, it's kinda irrelevant what she said, realistically he self-owned by tweeting at her at all. \nHowever, it wasn't like, great, that she did that. He's a shithead troll that we really should all just be ignoring. He has a massive audience of incels and other disaffected men, unfortunately, but he's not worthy of anybody's attention. \nI don't think he's very smart, but I think he's a savvy Content operator at some level, and he managed to get lots of clicks and eyeballs for the exchange. It's pretty common to @ someone famous in an attempt to get them to acknowledge you in ANY way at all, negative positive doesn't matter, if they publicly acknowledge you, that's clout, that's click, that's expanded audience. \nHolistic context, in some ways she helped him grow his audience. Close the lens a bit though and no dude she fucking owned his ass harder come the fuck on lmao", ">\n\nShe accurately assessed that he is insecure about his masculinity.\nShe then gave a very low-effort, dismissive insult, and his responses showed that it really got to him. He made a video response to it.\nYour proposed response is... not funny. Hers wasn't particularly funny, it was dismissive. He responded an hour and a half later with \"How dare you?!\", a quote she said to the UN a number of years ago, but... it doesn't really fit or make sense. It is, at the very least, a joking admission that he cares about what she said. Ten hours later, he had filmed a video response as a new comeback, putting so much more effort into the entire conversation than she did.\nHer tweet amassed a lot of likes and praise prior to his video response resulting in him confirming to the Romanian authorities that he was still in the country (the pizza he had someone bring him to make him look cool was clearly from a Romanian pizzeria), making it possible for them to raid his properties, because of how little effort it took her to knock him off his overconfident pedestal.", ">\n\nI don't think he feels insecure about his masculinity. He has this massive ego like a Donald Trump or a Kanye West type of person. He is far too narcissistic and self centered to have such insecurities. Unless he has some sort of \"Imposter Syndrome\" or other similar disorder.\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\nI see it as more of a \"More headlines for me? Gimme gimme gimme!\"\nI'm not a professional comedian. I thought it would be a funnier response or at least a better insult than Gretas. Greta's response came off as a bit tone deaf to me. Like preaching to the choir.\nThe \"How Dare you?\" response by Tate is fitting. That is her catchphrase. That was her 15 minutes of fame.\nIt's like a \"You insulted me? How dare you?\"\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.", ">\n\nHis response demonstrates his insecurity. You don't get worked up about that sort of insult unless it really bothers you. He views women as property and targets teenagers because he considers them to be more impressionable. I think it really bothered him to have her question his masculinity, and him obsessing over it for so long demonstrates that.\n\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\n\nDo you think I'm saying he's insecure about his masculinity because he really does have a small penis? His penis is irrelevant. Call of Duty-level insults like that aren't about penis size, or actually having sex with someone's mother, or anything else like that. Toxic masculinity is obsessed with penis size, so saying that someone has a small penis is an attack on their claims to masculinity. The worst way to respond to that sort of insult... is to respond to it.\nYes, his initial response correctly identified who he was talking to, but is it fitting? His response implied that hers carried some weight to it, which, as I said above, is not what you want to do to that type of insult. He then proved that he was bothered by spending so much more time thinking of another comeback.\nHis second comeback was basically \"no, you!\" (plus transphobia), which only really works if the other person is invested in the conversation. There's no indication she's even visited Twitter since her response to him.\n\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.\n\nIf you raid his properties and he's not even in the country, he's not going to come back to the country, and you're never going to be able to arrest him. You need to make sure he's there. They said that they had monitored his social media to try to figure out if he was in Romania, and then he made a very high-profile post containing evidence that he was in Romania. \"Pinging his cellphone\" only works if they know what phone he's using.", ">\n\nShe said \"yes, please do enlighten me. email me at [email protected]\" not \"you have a small penis.\" \nWhat she actually said could be more closely translated as \"Stop bragging about this silly shit, you pathetic tool.\" \nIn response, Andrew Tate blew up his own damn life with more poorly thought out and pathetic baggadocio, because he is indeed a pathetic tool.", ">\n\nI suppose Small Dick Energy =/= Small Dick.\nAt the same time you can understand the confusion.", ">\n\nNot really. I mean, unless you're a non-native English speaker or something. The context made the comment pretty clear IMO.", ">\n\nI used to get made fun of in the 6th grade because my penis was so big... I was the only black kid in my school. That's not cool man.\nI remember balling my eyes out going home and crying to my mom. I said \"Momma is my dick bigger than the other kids because I am black? Why they so racist!?\"\nShe said \"No son... This isn't racism. It is because you are fifteen and have been held back a few grades.\"", ">\n\nBy Andrew Tate", ">\n\nThis post has small dick energy. Change my mind.", ">\n\nThere's something to be said for the idea of body shaming always being wrong, but when I think of how this ultimately went for Tate the first word that leaps to mind is definitely not \"empowered.\"", ">\n\nI don't believe his tweeting or pizza ordering lead to his arrest.\nThe cops didn't show up and say \"You said something mean to greta we are locking you up!\"", ">\n\nI mean that depends entirely on if his dick is actually small or not doesn't it? \nIf an autist like Greta can figure out you have a small dick from a tweet, that's going to hurt... like A LOT.\nThat said if his dick is average or better it's going to do nothing.", ">\n\nBro her tweet literally led to him doxx himself with a video response and getting arrested by the Romanian police she totally fucking dunked on his ass stop being insecure about your penis size nobody cares.", ">\n\nTate has been arrested for alleged Child Sex Trafficking and Rape. No teenager should ever confront a person like that. Tate is disgusting, narcissistic and twisted coming after a child.", ">\n\nHere is my take.\nIf you ever tried to argue with someone like Tate, especially with the example you provided, he would still respond in the same infantile way.\nThere is no insult “reasoning” with them. All that matters is that he got a hit in, and his crowd cheered and clapped at this Einstein level retort. If you play with shit like Tate might as well get into the mud.\nYou have to hit them with the schoolyard insult that even their fucking jackass crowd can understand. \nYes it is body shaming, but that is like me saying I hope Rush Limbaugh dies of cancer….because he literally sided with smoke companies to say smoking is not a risk to health. He fucking deserves it.\nSo basically the way I see it, when a human being decides to willfully unsubscribe to the collective progress and compassion of society; then inhuman insults are absolutely fair game.", ">\n\nyea but I think the reason to not body shame is you might hurt that one person with a low blow, but you make many other innocent people feel insecure.", ">\n\nIs this… is this George Costanza?", ">\n\nIt’s just shit talking. Who cares about shit talking? Frankly it’s immature on both ends.", ">\n\nThe simple fact that her tweet inevitably led to his arrest is 100% a from the foul line, slam dunk." ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?", ">\n\nIf someone made either of these two suggested responses to his bait:\n\nYea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk? \nI am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nthey are being drawn in to his conversation. Taking his bait. \nHer actual response, by contrast, was dismissive, saying \"you're not worth conversing with\". That's a bigger take-down, and ended up baiting him so badly that he got himself arrested.", ">\n\nThat's just a low energy response like \"No you.\"", ">\n\nIt was clearly effective against him, what more do you want?\nA high energy response says \"you're worth the energy\". Clearly, though, Andrew Tate is not.", ">\n\nI don't think it was effective though. I don't believe he responded because:\n\"oh no my feeling are hurt now I gotta say something mean back!\"\nI think he responded because...\n\"I like my name on the headlines... Gimme more headlines! I love to be the center of attention! Me me me me me!\"", ">\n\nTo determine if something is effective, you need to look at the effect, which is that Andrew Tate is under arrest.", ">\n\nbro look at the news... he def got owned.", ">\n\nHe was owned by the police arresting him. Not by Greta", ">\n\nIf anything it was a self-own, because his own histrionic reaction to literally the mildest of taunts from a teenager online led police directly to his door.", ">\n\nIs there proof that him tweeting about Greta led police directly to his door? Doesn't he like own his house and pay property taxes and the police would know where to find him if they were looking?", ">\n\nthe pizza let the police know he was there to be arrested ... no tweet, no response, no arrest.", ">\n\nWow, that is pretty slick.\nSo the police saw the pizza box. Didn't know where he lived...\nThen they called that pizza place and got a list of addresses that they delivered to.", ">\n\nThe police have looking for him since April, and haven't been able to confirm he was in fact in Hungary at his house, until he replied with the video showing a Hungarian national pizza chain box in the video.", ">\n\nRomanian, but other than that you're correct", ">\n\nI came in here expecting a different analysis. I will attempt to CYV about why it wasn't an own, not try to convince you it was an own.\nFirst of all, in twitterworld, it was, definitively, an own. She ratio'd the fuck out of him, and he got arrested the next day. I predict that that will function as the urbandictionary.com definition of \"ratiod\" going forward. It doesn't matter that you have a paragraph analysis of a funnier \"own,\" twitter disagrees with you. Honestly she could have just replied \"cringe\" and ratiod him just as hard, it's kinda irrelevant what she said, realistically he self-owned by tweeting at her at all. \nHowever, it wasn't like, great, that she did that. He's a shithead troll that we really should all just be ignoring. He has a massive audience of incels and other disaffected men, unfortunately, but he's not worthy of anybody's attention. \nI don't think he's very smart, but I think he's a savvy Content operator at some level, and he managed to get lots of clicks and eyeballs for the exchange. It's pretty common to @ someone famous in an attempt to get them to acknowledge you in ANY way at all, negative positive doesn't matter, if they publicly acknowledge you, that's clout, that's click, that's expanded audience. \nHolistic context, in some ways she helped him grow his audience. Close the lens a bit though and no dude she fucking owned his ass harder come the fuck on lmao", ">\n\nShe accurately assessed that he is insecure about his masculinity.\nShe then gave a very low-effort, dismissive insult, and his responses showed that it really got to him. He made a video response to it.\nYour proposed response is... not funny. Hers wasn't particularly funny, it was dismissive. He responded an hour and a half later with \"How dare you?!\", a quote she said to the UN a number of years ago, but... it doesn't really fit or make sense. It is, at the very least, a joking admission that he cares about what she said. Ten hours later, he had filmed a video response as a new comeback, putting so much more effort into the entire conversation than she did.\nHer tweet amassed a lot of likes and praise prior to his video response resulting in him confirming to the Romanian authorities that he was still in the country (the pizza he had someone bring him to make him look cool was clearly from a Romanian pizzeria), making it possible for them to raid his properties, because of how little effort it took her to knock him off his overconfident pedestal.", ">\n\nI don't think he feels insecure about his masculinity. He has this massive ego like a Donald Trump or a Kanye West type of person. He is far too narcissistic and self centered to have such insecurities. Unless he has some sort of \"Imposter Syndrome\" or other similar disorder.\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\nI see it as more of a \"More headlines for me? Gimme gimme gimme!\"\nI'm not a professional comedian. I thought it would be a funnier response or at least a better insult than Gretas. Greta's response came off as a bit tone deaf to me. Like preaching to the choir.\nThe \"How Dare you?\" response by Tate is fitting. That is her catchphrase. That was her 15 minutes of fame.\nIt's like a \"You insulted me? How dare you?\"\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.", ">\n\nHis response demonstrates his insecurity. You don't get worked up about that sort of insult unless it really bothers you. He views women as property and targets teenagers because he considers them to be more impressionable. I think it really bothered him to have her question his masculinity, and him obsessing over it for so long demonstrates that.\n\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\n\nDo you think I'm saying he's insecure about his masculinity because he really does have a small penis? His penis is irrelevant. Call of Duty-level insults like that aren't about penis size, or actually having sex with someone's mother, or anything else like that. Toxic masculinity is obsessed with penis size, so saying that someone has a small penis is an attack on their claims to masculinity. The worst way to respond to that sort of insult... is to respond to it.\nYes, his initial response correctly identified who he was talking to, but is it fitting? His response implied that hers carried some weight to it, which, as I said above, is not what you want to do to that type of insult. He then proved that he was bothered by spending so much more time thinking of another comeback.\nHis second comeback was basically \"no, you!\" (plus transphobia), which only really works if the other person is invested in the conversation. There's no indication she's even visited Twitter since her response to him.\n\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.\n\nIf you raid his properties and he's not even in the country, he's not going to come back to the country, and you're never going to be able to arrest him. You need to make sure he's there. They said that they had monitored his social media to try to figure out if he was in Romania, and then he made a very high-profile post containing evidence that he was in Romania. \"Pinging his cellphone\" only works if they know what phone he's using.", ">\n\nShe said \"yes, please do enlighten me. email me at [email protected]\" not \"you have a small penis.\" \nWhat she actually said could be more closely translated as \"Stop bragging about this silly shit, you pathetic tool.\" \nIn response, Andrew Tate blew up his own damn life with more poorly thought out and pathetic baggadocio, because he is indeed a pathetic tool.", ">\n\nI suppose Small Dick Energy =/= Small Dick.\nAt the same time you can understand the confusion.", ">\n\nNot really. I mean, unless you're a non-native English speaker or something. The context made the comment pretty clear IMO.", ">\n\nI used to get made fun of in the 6th grade because my penis was so big... I was the only black kid in my school. That's not cool man.\nI remember balling my eyes out going home and crying to my mom. I said \"Momma is my dick bigger than the other kids because I am black? Why they so racist!?\"\nShe said \"No son... This isn't racism. It is because you are fifteen and have been held back a few grades.\"", ">\n\nBy Andrew Tate", ">\n\nThis post has small dick energy. Change my mind.", ">\n\nThere's something to be said for the idea of body shaming always being wrong, but when I think of how this ultimately went for Tate the first word that leaps to mind is definitely not \"empowered.\"", ">\n\nI don't believe his tweeting or pizza ordering lead to his arrest.\nThe cops didn't show up and say \"You said something mean to greta we are locking you up!\"", ">\n\nI mean that depends entirely on if his dick is actually small or not doesn't it? \nIf an autist like Greta can figure out you have a small dick from a tweet, that's going to hurt... like A LOT.\nThat said if his dick is average or better it's going to do nothing.", ">\n\nBro her tweet literally led to him doxx himself with a video response and getting arrested by the Romanian police she totally fucking dunked on his ass stop being insecure about your penis size nobody cares.", ">\n\nTate has been arrested for alleged Child Sex Trafficking and Rape. No teenager should ever confront a person like that. Tate is disgusting, narcissistic and twisted coming after a child.", ">\n\nHere is my take.\nIf you ever tried to argue with someone like Tate, especially with the example you provided, he would still respond in the same infantile way.\nThere is no insult “reasoning” with them. All that matters is that he got a hit in, and his crowd cheered and clapped at this Einstein level retort. If you play with shit like Tate might as well get into the mud.\nYou have to hit them with the schoolyard insult that even their fucking jackass crowd can understand. \nYes it is body shaming, but that is like me saying I hope Rush Limbaugh dies of cancer….because he literally sided with smoke companies to say smoking is not a risk to health. He fucking deserves it.\nSo basically the way I see it, when a human being decides to willfully unsubscribe to the collective progress and compassion of society; then inhuman insults are absolutely fair game.", ">\n\nyea but I think the reason to not body shame is you might hurt that one person with a low blow, but you make many other innocent people feel insecure.", ">\n\nIs this… is this George Costanza?", ">\n\nIt’s just shit talking. Who cares about shit talking? Frankly it’s immature on both ends.", ">\n\nThe simple fact that her tweet inevitably led to his arrest is 100% a from the foul line, slam dunk.", ">\n\nThe fact that Tate was having a twitter war with a 12 year old kid and got arrested made him lose." ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?", ">\n\nIf someone made either of these two suggested responses to his bait:\n\nYea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk? \nI am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nthey are being drawn in to his conversation. Taking his bait. \nHer actual response, by contrast, was dismissive, saying \"you're not worth conversing with\". That's a bigger take-down, and ended up baiting him so badly that he got himself arrested.", ">\n\nThat's just a low energy response like \"No you.\"", ">\n\nIt was clearly effective against him, what more do you want?\nA high energy response says \"you're worth the energy\". Clearly, though, Andrew Tate is not.", ">\n\nI don't think it was effective though. I don't believe he responded because:\n\"oh no my feeling are hurt now I gotta say something mean back!\"\nI think he responded because...\n\"I like my name on the headlines... Gimme more headlines! I love to be the center of attention! Me me me me me!\"", ">\n\nTo determine if something is effective, you need to look at the effect, which is that Andrew Tate is under arrest.", ">\n\nbro look at the news... he def got owned.", ">\n\nHe was owned by the police arresting him. Not by Greta", ">\n\nIf anything it was a self-own, because his own histrionic reaction to literally the mildest of taunts from a teenager online led police directly to his door.", ">\n\nIs there proof that him tweeting about Greta led police directly to his door? Doesn't he like own his house and pay property taxes and the police would know where to find him if they were looking?", ">\n\nthe pizza let the police know he was there to be arrested ... no tweet, no response, no arrest.", ">\n\nWow, that is pretty slick.\nSo the police saw the pizza box. Didn't know where he lived...\nThen they called that pizza place and got a list of addresses that they delivered to.", ">\n\nThe police have looking for him since April, and haven't been able to confirm he was in fact in Hungary at his house, until he replied with the video showing a Hungarian national pizza chain box in the video.", ">\n\nRomanian, but other than that you're correct", ">\n\nI came in here expecting a different analysis. I will attempt to CYV about why it wasn't an own, not try to convince you it was an own.\nFirst of all, in twitterworld, it was, definitively, an own. She ratio'd the fuck out of him, and he got arrested the next day. I predict that that will function as the urbandictionary.com definition of \"ratiod\" going forward. It doesn't matter that you have a paragraph analysis of a funnier \"own,\" twitter disagrees with you. Honestly she could have just replied \"cringe\" and ratiod him just as hard, it's kinda irrelevant what she said, realistically he self-owned by tweeting at her at all. \nHowever, it wasn't like, great, that she did that. He's a shithead troll that we really should all just be ignoring. He has a massive audience of incels and other disaffected men, unfortunately, but he's not worthy of anybody's attention. \nI don't think he's very smart, but I think he's a savvy Content operator at some level, and he managed to get lots of clicks and eyeballs for the exchange. It's pretty common to @ someone famous in an attempt to get them to acknowledge you in ANY way at all, negative positive doesn't matter, if they publicly acknowledge you, that's clout, that's click, that's expanded audience. \nHolistic context, in some ways she helped him grow his audience. Close the lens a bit though and no dude she fucking owned his ass harder come the fuck on lmao", ">\n\nShe accurately assessed that he is insecure about his masculinity.\nShe then gave a very low-effort, dismissive insult, and his responses showed that it really got to him. He made a video response to it.\nYour proposed response is... not funny. Hers wasn't particularly funny, it was dismissive. He responded an hour and a half later with \"How dare you?!\", a quote she said to the UN a number of years ago, but... it doesn't really fit or make sense. It is, at the very least, a joking admission that he cares about what she said. Ten hours later, he had filmed a video response as a new comeback, putting so much more effort into the entire conversation than she did.\nHer tweet amassed a lot of likes and praise prior to his video response resulting in him confirming to the Romanian authorities that he was still in the country (the pizza he had someone bring him to make him look cool was clearly from a Romanian pizzeria), making it possible for them to raid his properties, because of how little effort it took her to knock him off his overconfident pedestal.", ">\n\nI don't think he feels insecure about his masculinity. He has this massive ego like a Donald Trump or a Kanye West type of person. He is far too narcissistic and self centered to have such insecurities. Unless he has some sort of \"Imposter Syndrome\" or other similar disorder.\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\nI see it as more of a \"More headlines for me? Gimme gimme gimme!\"\nI'm not a professional comedian. I thought it would be a funnier response or at least a better insult than Gretas. Greta's response came off as a bit tone deaf to me. Like preaching to the choir.\nThe \"How Dare you?\" response by Tate is fitting. That is her catchphrase. That was her 15 minutes of fame.\nIt's like a \"You insulted me? How dare you?\"\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.", ">\n\nHis response demonstrates his insecurity. You don't get worked up about that sort of insult unless it really bothers you. He views women as property and targets teenagers because he considers them to be more impressionable. I think it really bothered him to have her question his masculinity, and him obsessing over it for so long demonstrates that.\n\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\n\nDo you think I'm saying he's insecure about his masculinity because he really does have a small penis? His penis is irrelevant. Call of Duty-level insults like that aren't about penis size, or actually having sex with someone's mother, or anything else like that. Toxic masculinity is obsessed with penis size, so saying that someone has a small penis is an attack on their claims to masculinity. The worst way to respond to that sort of insult... is to respond to it.\nYes, his initial response correctly identified who he was talking to, but is it fitting? His response implied that hers carried some weight to it, which, as I said above, is not what you want to do to that type of insult. He then proved that he was bothered by spending so much more time thinking of another comeback.\nHis second comeback was basically \"no, you!\" (plus transphobia), which only really works if the other person is invested in the conversation. There's no indication she's even visited Twitter since her response to him.\n\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.\n\nIf you raid his properties and he's not even in the country, he's not going to come back to the country, and you're never going to be able to arrest him. You need to make sure he's there. They said that they had monitored his social media to try to figure out if he was in Romania, and then he made a very high-profile post containing evidence that he was in Romania. \"Pinging his cellphone\" only works if they know what phone he's using.", ">\n\nShe said \"yes, please do enlighten me. email me at [email protected]\" not \"you have a small penis.\" \nWhat she actually said could be more closely translated as \"Stop bragging about this silly shit, you pathetic tool.\" \nIn response, Andrew Tate blew up his own damn life with more poorly thought out and pathetic baggadocio, because he is indeed a pathetic tool.", ">\n\nI suppose Small Dick Energy =/= Small Dick.\nAt the same time you can understand the confusion.", ">\n\nNot really. I mean, unless you're a non-native English speaker or something. The context made the comment pretty clear IMO.", ">\n\nI used to get made fun of in the 6th grade because my penis was so big... I was the only black kid in my school. That's not cool man.\nI remember balling my eyes out going home and crying to my mom. I said \"Momma is my dick bigger than the other kids because I am black? Why they so racist!?\"\nShe said \"No son... This isn't racism. It is because you are fifteen and have been held back a few grades.\"", ">\n\nBy Andrew Tate", ">\n\nThis post has small dick energy. Change my mind.", ">\n\nThere's something to be said for the idea of body shaming always being wrong, but when I think of how this ultimately went for Tate the first word that leaps to mind is definitely not \"empowered.\"", ">\n\nI don't believe his tweeting or pizza ordering lead to his arrest.\nThe cops didn't show up and say \"You said something mean to greta we are locking you up!\"", ">\n\nI mean that depends entirely on if his dick is actually small or not doesn't it? \nIf an autist like Greta can figure out you have a small dick from a tweet, that's going to hurt... like A LOT.\nThat said if his dick is average or better it's going to do nothing.", ">\n\nBro her tweet literally led to him doxx himself with a video response and getting arrested by the Romanian police she totally fucking dunked on his ass stop being insecure about your penis size nobody cares.", ">\n\nTate has been arrested for alleged Child Sex Trafficking and Rape. No teenager should ever confront a person like that. Tate is disgusting, narcissistic and twisted coming after a child.", ">\n\nHere is my take.\nIf you ever tried to argue with someone like Tate, especially with the example you provided, he would still respond in the same infantile way.\nThere is no insult “reasoning” with them. All that matters is that he got a hit in, and his crowd cheered and clapped at this Einstein level retort. If you play with shit like Tate might as well get into the mud.\nYou have to hit them with the schoolyard insult that even their fucking jackass crowd can understand. \nYes it is body shaming, but that is like me saying I hope Rush Limbaugh dies of cancer….because he literally sided with smoke companies to say smoking is not a risk to health. He fucking deserves it.\nSo basically the way I see it, when a human being decides to willfully unsubscribe to the collective progress and compassion of society; then inhuman insults are absolutely fair game.", ">\n\nyea but I think the reason to not body shame is you might hurt that one person with a low blow, but you make many other innocent people feel insecure.", ">\n\nIs this… is this George Costanza?", ">\n\nIt’s just shit talking. Who cares about shit talking? Frankly it’s immature on both ends.", ">\n\nThe simple fact that her tweet inevitably led to his arrest is 100% a from the foul line, slam dunk.", ">\n\nThe fact that Tate was having a twitter war with a 12 year old kid and got arrested made him lose.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, these things are quiet subjective \n to opinion.\nThe opinion of a great mass (at least on more left-leaning sites like Reddit) will paint it as a Tate L. And often times it is the majority opinion that gets the “say so” so to speak of subjective truths.\nIt appears the mods will likely remove your post under rule B, which they typically do for any CMV that doesn’t fit the general Reddit opinion." ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?", ">\n\nIf someone made either of these two suggested responses to his bait:\n\nYea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk? \nI am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nthey are being drawn in to his conversation. Taking his bait. \nHer actual response, by contrast, was dismissive, saying \"you're not worth conversing with\". That's a bigger take-down, and ended up baiting him so badly that he got himself arrested.", ">\n\nThat's just a low energy response like \"No you.\"", ">\n\nIt was clearly effective against him, what more do you want?\nA high energy response says \"you're worth the energy\". Clearly, though, Andrew Tate is not.", ">\n\nI don't think it was effective though. I don't believe he responded because:\n\"oh no my feeling are hurt now I gotta say something mean back!\"\nI think he responded because...\n\"I like my name on the headlines... Gimme more headlines! I love to be the center of attention! Me me me me me!\"", ">\n\nTo determine if something is effective, you need to look at the effect, which is that Andrew Tate is under arrest.", ">\n\nbro look at the news... he def got owned.", ">\n\nHe was owned by the police arresting him. Not by Greta", ">\n\nIf anything it was a self-own, because his own histrionic reaction to literally the mildest of taunts from a teenager online led police directly to his door.", ">\n\nIs there proof that him tweeting about Greta led police directly to his door? Doesn't he like own his house and pay property taxes and the police would know where to find him if they were looking?", ">\n\nthe pizza let the police know he was there to be arrested ... no tweet, no response, no arrest.", ">\n\nWow, that is pretty slick.\nSo the police saw the pizza box. Didn't know where he lived...\nThen they called that pizza place and got a list of addresses that they delivered to.", ">\n\nThe police have looking for him since April, and haven't been able to confirm he was in fact in Hungary at his house, until he replied with the video showing a Hungarian national pizza chain box in the video.", ">\n\nRomanian, but other than that you're correct", ">\n\nI came in here expecting a different analysis. I will attempt to CYV about why it wasn't an own, not try to convince you it was an own.\nFirst of all, in twitterworld, it was, definitively, an own. She ratio'd the fuck out of him, and he got arrested the next day. I predict that that will function as the urbandictionary.com definition of \"ratiod\" going forward. It doesn't matter that you have a paragraph analysis of a funnier \"own,\" twitter disagrees with you. Honestly she could have just replied \"cringe\" and ratiod him just as hard, it's kinda irrelevant what she said, realistically he self-owned by tweeting at her at all. \nHowever, it wasn't like, great, that she did that. He's a shithead troll that we really should all just be ignoring. He has a massive audience of incels and other disaffected men, unfortunately, but he's not worthy of anybody's attention. \nI don't think he's very smart, but I think he's a savvy Content operator at some level, and he managed to get lots of clicks and eyeballs for the exchange. It's pretty common to @ someone famous in an attempt to get them to acknowledge you in ANY way at all, negative positive doesn't matter, if they publicly acknowledge you, that's clout, that's click, that's expanded audience. \nHolistic context, in some ways she helped him grow his audience. Close the lens a bit though and no dude she fucking owned his ass harder come the fuck on lmao", ">\n\nShe accurately assessed that he is insecure about his masculinity.\nShe then gave a very low-effort, dismissive insult, and his responses showed that it really got to him. He made a video response to it.\nYour proposed response is... not funny. Hers wasn't particularly funny, it was dismissive. He responded an hour and a half later with \"How dare you?!\", a quote she said to the UN a number of years ago, but... it doesn't really fit or make sense. It is, at the very least, a joking admission that he cares about what she said. Ten hours later, he had filmed a video response as a new comeback, putting so much more effort into the entire conversation than she did.\nHer tweet amassed a lot of likes and praise prior to his video response resulting in him confirming to the Romanian authorities that he was still in the country (the pizza he had someone bring him to make him look cool was clearly from a Romanian pizzeria), making it possible for them to raid his properties, because of how little effort it took her to knock him off his overconfident pedestal.", ">\n\nI don't think he feels insecure about his masculinity. He has this massive ego like a Donald Trump or a Kanye West type of person. He is far too narcissistic and self centered to have such insecurities. Unless he has some sort of \"Imposter Syndrome\" or other similar disorder.\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\nI see it as more of a \"More headlines for me? Gimme gimme gimme!\"\nI'm not a professional comedian. I thought it would be a funnier response or at least a better insult than Gretas. Greta's response came off as a bit tone deaf to me. Like preaching to the choir.\nThe \"How Dare you?\" response by Tate is fitting. That is her catchphrase. That was her 15 minutes of fame.\nIt's like a \"You insulted me? How dare you?\"\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.", ">\n\nHis response demonstrates his insecurity. You don't get worked up about that sort of insult unless it really bothers you. He views women as property and targets teenagers because he considers them to be more impressionable. I think it really bothered him to have her question his masculinity, and him obsessing over it for so long demonstrates that.\n\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\n\nDo you think I'm saying he's insecure about his masculinity because he really does have a small penis? His penis is irrelevant. Call of Duty-level insults like that aren't about penis size, or actually having sex with someone's mother, or anything else like that. Toxic masculinity is obsessed with penis size, so saying that someone has a small penis is an attack on their claims to masculinity. The worst way to respond to that sort of insult... is to respond to it.\nYes, his initial response correctly identified who he was talking to, but is it fitting? His response implied that hers carried some weight to it, which, as I said above, is not what you want to do to that type of insult. He then proved that he was bothered by spending so much more time thinking of another comeback.\nHis second comeback was basically \"no, you!\" (plus transphobia), which only really works if the other person is invested in the conversation. There's no indication she's even visited Twitter since her response to him.\n\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.\n\nIf you raid his properties and he's not even in the country, he's not going to come back to the country, and you're never going to be able to arrest him. You need to make sure he's there. They said that they had monitored his social media to try to figure out if he was in Romania, and then he made a very high-profile post containing evidence that he was in Romania. \"Pinging his cellphone\" only works if they know what phone he's using.", ">\n\nShe said \"yes, please do enlighten me. email me at [email protected]\" not \"you have a small penis.\" \nWhat she actually said could be more closely translated as \"Stop bragging about this silly shit, you pathetic tool.\" \nIn response, Andrew Tate blew up his own damn life with more poorly thought out and pathetic baggadocio, because he is indeed a pathetic tool.", ">\n\nI suppose Small Dick Energy =/= Small Dick.\nAt the same time you can understand the confusion.", ">\n\nNot really. I mean, unless you're a non-native English speaker or something. The context made the comment pretty clear IMO.", ">\n\nI used to get made fun of in the 6th grade because my penis was so big... I was the only black kid in my school. That's not cool man.\nI remember balling my eyes out going home and crying to my mom. I said \"Momma is my dick bigger than the other kids because I am black? Why they so racist!?\"\nShe said \"No son... This isn't racism. It is because you are fifteen and have been held back a few grades.\"", ">\n\nBy Andrew Tate", ">\n\nThis post has small dick energy. Change my mind.", ">\n\nThere's something to be said for the idea of body shaming always being wrong, but when I think of how this ultimately went for Tate the first word that leaps to mind is definitely not \"empowered.\"", ">\n\nI don't believe his tweeting or pizza ordering lead to his arrest.\nThe cops didn't show up and say \"You said something mean to greta we are locking you up!\"", ">\n\nI mean that depends entirely on if his dick is actually small or not doesn't it? \nIf an autist like Greta can figure out you have a small dick from a tweet, that's going to hurt... like A LOT.\nThat said if his dick is average or better it's going to do nothing.", ">\n\nBro her tweet literally led to him doxx himself with a video response and getting arrested by the Romanian police she totally fucking dunked on his ass stop being insecure about your penis size nobody cares.", ">\n\nTate has been arrested for alleged Child Sex Trafficking and Rape. No teenager should ever confront a person like that. Tate is disgusting, narcissistic and twisted coming after a child.", ">\n\nHere is my take.\nIf you ever tried to argue with someone like Tate, especially with the example you provided, he would still respond in the same infantile way.\nThere is no insult “reasoning” with them. All that matters is that he got a hit in, and his crowd cheered and clapped at this Einstein level retort. If you play with shit like Tate might as well get into the mud.\nYou have to hit them with the schoolyard insult that even their fucking jackass crowd can understand. \nYes it is body shaming, but that is like me saying I hope Rush Limbaugh dies of cancer….because he literally sided with smoke companies to say smoking is not a risk to health. He fucking deserves it.\nSo basically the way I see it, when a human being decides to willfully unsubscribe to the collective progress and compassion of society; then inhuman insults are absolutely fair game.", ">\n\nyea but I think the reason to not body shame is you might hurt that one person with a low blow, but you make many other innocent people feel insecure.", ">\n\nIs this… is this George Costanza?", ">\n\nIt’s just shit talking. Who cares about shit talking? Frankly it’s immature on both ends.", ">\n\nThe simple fact that her tweet inevitably led to his arrest is 100% a from the foul line, slam dunk.", ">\n\nThe fact that Tate was having a twitter war with a 12 year old kid and got arrested made him lose.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, these things are quiet subjective \n to opinion.\nThe opinion of a great mass (at least on more left-leaning sites like Reddit) will paint it as a Tate L. And often times it is the majority opinion that gets the “say so” so to speak of subjective truths.\nIt appears the mods will likely remove your post under rule B, which they typically do for any CMV that doesn’t fit the general Reddit opinion.", ">\n\nWell, yeah I had to admit Grerta Thumberg looks ridiculous when she criticizes someone for his 'lack of masculinity', when she herself is not very successful in a beauty department" ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?", ">\n\nIf someone made either of these two suggested responses to his bait:\n\nYea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk? \nI am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nthey are being drawn in to his conversation. Taking his bait. \nHer actual response, by contrast, was dismissive, saying \"you're not worth conversing with\". That's a bigger take-down, and ended up baiting him so badly that he got himself arrested.", ">\n\nThat's just a low energy response like \"No you.\"", ">\n\nIt was clearly effective against him, what more do you want?\nA high energy response says \"you're worth the energy\". Clearly, though, Andrew Tate is not.", ">\n\nI don't think it was effective though. I don't believe he responded because:\n\"oh no my feeling are hurt now I gotta say something mean back!\"\nI think he responded because...\n\"I like my name on the headlines... Gimme more headlines! I love to be the center of attention! Me me me me me!\"", ">\n\nTo determine if something is effective, you need to look at the effect, which is that Andrew Tate is under arrest.", ">\n\nbro look at the news... he def got owned.", ">\n\nHe was owned by the police arresting him. Not by Greta", ">\n\nIf anything it was a self-own, because his own histrionic reaction to literally the mildest of taunts from a teenager online led police directly to his door.", ">\n\nIs there proof that him tweeting about Greta led police directly to his door? Doesn't he like own his house and pay property taxes and the police would know where to find him if they were looking?", ">\n\nthe pizza let the police know he was there to be arrested ... no tweet, no response, no arrest.", ">\n\nWow, that is pretty slick.\nSo the police saw the pizza box. Didn't know where he lived...\nThen they called that pizza place and got a list of addresses that they delivered to.", ">\n\nThe police have looking for him since April, and haven't been able to confirm he was in fact in Hungary at his house, until he replied with the video showing a Hungarian national pizza chain box in the video.", ">\n\nRomanian, but other than that you're correct", ">\n\nI came in here expecting a different analysis. I will attempt to CYV about why it wasn't an own, not try to convince you it was an own.\nFirst of all, in twitterworld, it was, definitively, an own. She ratio'd the fuck out of him, and he got arrested the next day. I predict that that will function as the urbandictionary.com definition of \"ratiod\" going forward. It doesn't matter that you have a paragraph analysis of a funnier \"own,\" twitter disagrees with you. Honestly she could have just replied \"cringe\" and ratiod him just as hard, it's kinda irrelevant what she said, realistically he self-owned by tweeting at her at all. \nHowever, it wasn't like, great, that she did that. He's a shithead troll that we really should all just be ignoring. He has a massive audience of incels and other disaffected men, unfortunately, but he's not worthy of anybody's attention. \nI don't think he's very smart, but I think he's a savvy Content operator at some level, and he managed to get lots of clicks and eyeballs for the exchange. It's pretty common to @ someone famous in an attempt to get them to acknowledge you in ANY way at all, negative positive doesn't matter, if they publicly acknowledge you, that's clout, that's click, that's expanded audience. \nHolistic context, in some ways she helped him grow his audience. Close the lens a bit though and no dude she fucking owned his ass harder come the fuck on lmao", ">\n\nShe accurately assessed that he is insecure about his masculinity.\nShe then gave a very low-effort, dismissive insult, and his responses showed that it really got to him. He made a video response to it.\nYour proposed response is... not funny. Hers wasn't particularly funny, it was dismissive. He responded an hour and a half later with \"How dare you?!\", a quote she said to the UN a number of years ago, but... it doesn't really fit or make sense. It is, at the very least, a joking admission that he cares about what she said. Ten hours later, he had filmed a video response as a new comeback, putting so much more effort into the entire conversation than she did.\nHer tweet amassed a lot of likes and praise prior to his video response resulting in him confirming to the Romanian authorities that he was still in the country (the pizza he had someone bring him to make him look cool was clearly from a Romanian pizzeria), making it possible for them to raid his properties, because of how little effort it took her to knock him off his overconfident pedestal.", ">\n\nI don't think he feels insecure about his masculinity. He has this massive ego like a Donald Trump or a Kanye West type of person. He is far too narcissistic and self centered to have such insecurities. Unless he has some sort of \"Imposter Syndrome\" or other similar disorder.\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\nI see it as more of a \"More headlines for me? Gimme gimme gimme!\"\nI'm not a professional comedian. I thought it would be a funnier response or at least a better insult than Gretas. Greta's response came off as a bit tone deaf to me. Like preaching to the choir.\nThe \"How Dare you?\" response by Tate is fitting. That is her catchphrase. That was her 15 minutes of fame.\nIt's like a \"You insulted me? How dare you?\"\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.", ">\n\nHis response demonstrates his insecurity. You don't get worked up about that sort of insult unless it really bothers you. He views women as property and targets teenagers because he considers them to be more impressionable. I think it really bothered him to have her question his masculinity, and him obsessing over it for so long demonstrates that.\n\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\n\nDo you think I'm saying he's insecure about his masculinity because he really does have a small penis? His penis is irrelevant. Call of Duty-level insults like that aren't about penis size, or actually having sex with someone's mother, or anything else like that. Toxic masculinity is obsessed with penis size, so saying that someone has a small penis is an attack on their claims to masculinity. The worst way to respond to that sort of insult... is to respond to it.\nYes, his initial response correctly identified who he was talking to, but is it fitting? His response implied that hers carried some weight to it, which, as I said above, is not what you want to do to that type of insult. He then proved that he was bothered by spending so much more time thinking of another comeback.\nHis second comeback was basically \"no, you!\" (plus transphobia), which only really works if the other person is invested in the conversation. There's no indication she's even visited Twitter since her response to him.\n\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.\n\nIf you raid his properties and he's not even in the country, he's not going to come back to the country, and you're never going to be able to arrest him. You need to make sure he's there. They said that they had monitored his social media to try to figure out if he was in Romania, and then he made a very high-profile post containing evidence that he was in Romania. \"Pinging his cellphone\" only works if they know what phone he's using.", ">\n\nShe said \"yes, please do enlighten me. email me at [email protected]\" not \"you have a small penis.\" \nWhat she actually said could be more closely translated as \"Stop bragging about this silly shit, you pathetic tool.\" \nIn response, Andrew Tate blew up his own damn life with more poorly thought out and pathetic baggadocio, because he is indeed a pathetic tool.", ">\n\nI suppose Small Dick Energy =/= Small Dick.\nAt the same time you can understand the confusion.", ">\n\nNot really. I mean, unless you're a non-native English speaker or something. The context made the comment pretty clear IMO.", ">\n\nI used to get made fun of in the 6th grade because my penis was so big... I was the only black kid in my school. That's not cool man.\nI remember balling my eyes out going home and crying to my mom. I said \"Momma is my dick bigger than the other kids because I am black? Why they so racist!?\"\nShe said \"No son... This isn't racism. It is because you are fifteen and have been held back a few grades.\"", ">\n\nBy Andrew Tate", ">\n\nThis post has small dick energy. Change my mind.", ">\n\nThere's something to be said for the idea of body shaming always being wrong, but when I think of how this ultimately went for Tate the first word that leaps to mind is definitely not \"empowered.\"", ">\n\nI don't believe his tweeting or pizza ordering lead to his arrest.\nThe cops didn't show up and say \"You said something mean to greta we are locking you up!\"", ">\n\nI mean that depends entirely on if his dick is actually small or not doesn't it? \nIf an autist like Greta can figure out you have a small dick from a tweet, that's going to hurt... like A LOT.\nThat said if his dick is average or better it's going to do nothing.", ">\n\nBro her tweet literally led to him doxx himself with a video response and getting arrested by the Romanian police she totally fucking dunked on his ass stop being insecure about your penis size nobody cares.", ">\n\nTate has been arrested for alleged Child Sex Trafficking and Rape. No teenager should ever confront a person like that. Tate is disgusting, narcissistic and twisted coming after a child.", ">\n\nHere is my take.\nIf you ever tried to argue with someone like Tate, especially with the example you provided, he would still respond in the same infantile way.\nThere is no insult “reasoning” with them. All that matters is that he got a hit in, and his crowd cheered and clapped at this Einstein level retort. If you play with shit like Tate might as well get into the mud.\nYou have to hit them with the schoolyard insult that even their fucking jackass crowd can understand. \nYes it is body shaming, but that is like me saying I hope Rush Limbaugh dies of cancer….because he literally sided with smoke companies to say smoking is not a risk to health. He fucking deserves it.\nSo basically the way I see it, when a human being decides to willfully unsubscribe to the collective progress and compassion of society; then inhuman insults are absolutely fair game.", ">\n\nyea but I think the reason to not body shame is you might hurt that one person with a low blow, but you make many other innocent people feel insecure.", ">\n\nIs this… is this George Costanza?", ">\n\nIt’s just shit talking. Who cares about shit talking? Frankly it’s immature on both ends.", ">\n\nThe simple fact that her tweet inevitably led to his arrest is 100% a from the foul line, slam dunk.", ">\n\nThe fact that Tate was having a twitter war with a 12 year old kid and got arrested made him lose.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, these things are quiet subjective \n to opinion.\nThe opinion of a great mass (at least on more left-leaning sites like Reddit) will paint it as a Tate L. And often times it is the majority opinion that gets the “say so” so to speak of subjective truths.\nIt appears the mods will likely remove your post under rule B, which they typically do for any CMV that doesn’t fit the general Reddit opinion.", ">\n\nWell, yeah I had to admit Grerta Thumberg looks ridiculous when she criticizes someone for his 'lack of masculinity', when she herself is not very successful in a beauty department", ">\n\nShe criticized him for being insecure about his masculinity. Doubt she cares if he's masculine or not, but he's for sure insecure about it and he proved it" ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?", ">\n\nIf someone made either of these two suggested responses to his bait:\n\nYea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk? \nI am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nthey are being drawn in to his conversation. Taking his bait. \nHer actual response, by contrast, was dismissive, saying \"you're not worth conversing with\". That's a bigger take-down, and ended up baiting him so badly that he got himself arrested.", ">\n\nThat's just a low energy response like \"No you.\"", ">\n\nIt was clearly effective against him, what more do you want?\nA high energy response says \"you're worth the energy\". Clearly, though, Andrew Tate is not.", ">\n\nI don't think it was effective though. I don't believe he responded because:\n\"oh no my feeling are hurt now I gotta say something mean back!\"\nI think he responded because...\n\"I like my name on the headlines... Gimme more headlines! I love to be the center of attention! Me me me me me!\"", ">\n\nTo determine if something is effective, you need to look at the effect, which is that Andrew Tate is under arrest.", ">\n\nbro look at the news... he def got owned.", ">\n\nHe was owned by the police arresting him. Not by Greta", ">\n\nIf anything it was a self-own, because his own histrionic reaction to literally the mildest of taunts from a teenager online led police directly to his door.", ">\n\nIs there proof that him tweeting about Greta led police directly to his door? Doesn't he like own his house and pay property taxes and the police would know where to find him if they were looking?", ">\n\nthe pizza let the police know he was there to be arrested ... no tweet, no response, no arrest.", ">\n\nWow, that is pretty slick.\nSo the police saw the pizza box. Didn't know where he lived...\nThen they called that pizza place and got a list of addresses that they delivered to.", ">\n\nThe police have looking for him since April, and haven't been able to confirm he was in fact in Hungary at his house, until he replied with the video showing a Hungarian national pizza chain box in the video.", ">\n\nRomanian, but other than that you're correct", ">\n\nI came in here expecting a different analysis. I will attempt to CYV about why it wasn't an own, not try to convince you it was an own.\nFirst of all, in twitterworld, it was, definitively, an own. She ratio'd the fuck out of him, and he got arrested the next day. I predict that that will function as the urbandictionary.com definition of \"ratiod\" going forward. It doesn't matter that you have a paragraph analysis of a funnier \"own,\" twitter disagrees with you. Honestly she could have just replied \"cringe\" and ratiod him just as hard, it's kinda irrelevant what she said, realistically he self-owned by tweeting at her at all. \nHowever, it wasn't like, great, that she did that. He's a shithead troll that we really should all just be ignoring. He has a massive audience of incels and other disaffected men, unfortunately, but he's not worthy of anybody's attention. \nI don't think he's very smart, but I think he's a savvy Content operator at some level, and he managed to get lots of clicks and eyeballs for the exchange. It's pretty common to @ someone famous in an attempt to get them to acknowledge you in ANY way at all, negative positive doesn't matter, if they publicly acknowledge you, that's clout, that's click, that's expanded audience. \nHolistic context, in some ways she helped him grow his audience. Close the lens a bit though and no dude she fucking owned his ass harder come the fuck on lmao", ">\n\nShe accurately assessed that he is insecure about his masculinity.\nShe then gave a very low-effort, dismissive insult, and his responses showed that it really got to him. He made a video response to it.\nYour proposed response is... not funny. Hers wasn't particularly funny, it was dismissive. He responded an hour and a half later with \"How dare you?!\", a quote she said to the UN a number of years ago, but... it doesn't really fit or make sense. It is, at the very least, a joking admission that he cares about what she said. Ten hours later, he had filmed a video response as a new comeback, putting so much more effort into the entire conversation than she did.\nHer tweet amassed a lot of likes and praise prior to his video response resulting in him confirming to the Romanian authorities that he was still in the country (the pizza he had someone bring him to make him look cool was clearly from a Romanian pizzeria), making it possible for them to raid his properties, because of how little effort it took her to knock him off his overconfident pedestal.", ">\n\nI don't think he feels insecure about his masculinity. He has this massive ego like a Donald Trump or a Kanye West type of person. He is far too narcissistic and self centered to have such insecurities. Unless he has some sort of \"Imposter Syndrome\" or other similar disorder.\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\nI see it as more of a \"More headlines for me? Gimme gimme gimme!\"\nI'm not a professional comedian. I thought it would be a funnier response or at least a better insult than Gretas. Greta's response came off as a bit tone deaf to me. Like preaching to the choir.\nThe \"How Dare you?\" response by Tate is fitting. That is her catchphrase. That was her 15 minutes of fame.\nIt's like a \"You insulted me? How dare you?\"\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.", ">\n\nHis response demonstrates his insecurity. You don't get worked up about that sort of insult unless it really bothers you. He views women as property and targets teenagers because he considers them to be more impressionable. I think it really bothered him to have her question his masculinity, and him obsessing over it for so long demonstrates that.\n\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\n\nDo you think I'm saying he's insecure about his masculinity because he really does have a small penis? His penis is irrelevant. Call of Duty-level insults like that aren't about penis size, or actually having sex with someone's mother, or anything else like that. Toxic masculinity is obsessed with penis size, so saying that someone has a small penis is an attack on their claims to masculinity. The worst way to respond to that sort of insult... is to respond to it.\nYes, his initial response correctly identified who he was talking to, but is it fitting? His response implied that hers carried some weight to it, which, as I said above, is not what you want to do to that type of insult. He then proved that he was bothered by spending so much more time thinking of another comeback.\nHis second comeback was basically \"no, you!\" (plus transphobia), which only really works if the other person is invested in the conversation. There's no indication she's even visited Twitter since her response to him.\n\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.\n\nIf you raid his properties and he's not even in the country, he's not going to come back to the country, and you're never going to be able to arrest him. You need to make sure he's there. They said that they had monitored his social media to try to figure out if he was in Romania, and then he made a very high-profile post containing evidence that he was in Romania. \"Pinging his cellphone\" only works if they know what phone he's using.", ">\n\nShe said \"yes, please do enlighten me. email me at [email protected]\" not \"you have a small penis.\" \nWhat she actually said could be more closely translated as \"Stop bragging about this silly shit, you pathetic tool.\" \nIn response, Andrew Tate blew up his own damn life with more poorly thought out and pathetic baggadocio, because he is indeed a pathetic tool.", ">\n\nI suppose Small Dick Energy =/= Small Dick.\nAt the same time you can understand the confusion.", ">\n\nNot really. I mean, unless you're a non-native English speaker or something. The context made the comment pretty clear IMO.", ">\n\nI used to get made fun of in the 6th grade because my penis was so big... I was the only black kid in my school. That's not cool man.\nI remember balling my eyes out going home and crying to my mom. I said \"Momma is my dick bigger than the other kids because I am black? Why they so racist!?\"\nShe said \"No son... This isn't racism. It is because you are fifteen and have been held back a few grades.\"", ">\n\nBy Andrew Tate", ">\n\nThis post has small dick energy. Change my mind.", ">\n\nThere's something to be said for the idea of body shaming always being wrong, but when I think of how this ultimately went for Tate the first word that leaps to mind is definitely not \"empowered.\"", ">\n\nI don't believe his tweeting or pizza ordering lead to his arrest.\nThe cops didn't show up and say \"You said something mean to greta we are locking you up!\"", ">\n\nI mean that depends entirely on if his dick is actually small or not doesn't it? \nIf an autist like Greta can figure out you have a small dick from a tweet, that's going to hurt... like A LOT.\nThat said if his dick is average or better it's going to do nothing.", ">\n\nBro her tweet literally led to him doxx himself with a video response and getting arrested by the Romanian police she totally fucking dunked on his ass stop being insecure about your penis size nobody cares.", ">\n\nTate has been arrested for alleged Child Sex Trafficking and Rape. No teenager should ever confront a person like that. Tate is disgusting, narcissistic and twisted coming after a child.", ">\n\nHere is my take.\nIf you ever tried to argue with someone like Tate, especially with the example you provided, he would still respond in the same infantile way.\nThere is no insult “reasoning” with them. All that matters is that he got a hit in, and his crowd cheered and clapped at this Einstein level retort. If you play with shit like Tate might as well get into the mud.\nYou have to hit them with the schoolyard insult that even their fucking jackass crowd can understand. \nYes it is body shaming, but that is like me saying I hope Rush Limbaugh dies of cancer….because he literally sided with smoke companies to say smoking is not a risk to health. He fucking deserves it.\nSo basically the way I see it, when a human being decides to willfully unsubscribe to the collective progress and compassion of society; then inhuman insults are absolutely fair game.", ">\n\nyea but I think the reason to not body shame is you might hurt that one person with a low blow, but you make many other innocent people feel insecure.", ">\n\nIs this… is this George Costanza?", ">\n\nIt’s just shit talking. Who cares about shit talking? Frankly it’s immature on both ends.", ">\n\nThe simple fact that her tweet inevitably led to his arrest is 100% a from the foul line, slam dunk.", ">\n\nThe fact that Tate was having a twitter war with a 12 year old kid and got arrested made him lose.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, these things are quiet subjective \n to opinion.\nThe opinion of a great mass (at least on more left-leaning sites like Reddit) will paint it as a Tate L. And often times it is the majority opinion that gets the “say so” so to speak of subjective truths.\nIt appears the mods will likely remove your post under rule B, which they typically do for any CMV that doesn’t fit the general Reddit opinion.", ">\n\nWell, yeah I had to admit Grerta Thumberg looks ridiculous when she criticizes someone for his 'lack of masculinity', when she herself is not very successful in a beauty department", ">\n\nShe criticized him for being insecure about his masculinity. Doubt she cares if he's masculine or not, but he's for sure insecure about it and he proved it", ">\n\nI mean, her femininity is nothing to be 'secure' about because it doesn't exist. She is 19 years old, and she looks like a fucking child...\nAs a man, I just find it very hilarious when a woman who's not that blessed in the looks department opens her mouth on the question of anyone's masculinity." ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?", ">\n\nIf someone made either of these two suggested responses to his bait:\n\nYea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk? \nI am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nthey are being drawn in to his conversation. Taking his bait. \nHer actual response, by contrast, was dismissive, saying \"you're not worth conversing with\". That's a bigger take-down, and ended up baiting him so badly that he got himself arrested.", ">\n\nThat's just a low energy response like \"No you.\"", ">\n\nIt was clearly effective against him, what more do you want?\nA high energy response says \"you're worth the energy\". Clearly, though, Andrew Tate is not.", ">\n\nI don't think it was effective though. I don't believe he responded because:\n\"oh no my feeling are hurt now I gotta say something mean back!\"\nI think he responded because...\n\"I like my name on the headlines... Gimme more headlines! I love to be the center of attention! Me me me me me!\"", ">\n\nTo determine if something is effective, you need to look at the effect, which is that Andrew Tate is under arrest.", ">\n\nbro look at the news... he def got owned.", ">\n\nHe was owned by the police arresting him. Not by Greta", ">\n\nIf anything it was a self-own, because his own histrionic reaction to literally the mildest of taunts from a teenager online led police directly to his door.", ">\n\nIs there proof that him tweeting about Greta led police directly to his door? Doesn't he like own his house and pay property taxes and the police would know where to find him if they were looking?", ">\n\nthe pizza let the police know he was there to be arrested ... no tweet, no response, no arrest.", ">\n\nWow, that is pretty slick.\nSo the police saw the pizza box. Didn't know where he lived...\nThen they called that pizza place and got a list of addresses that they delivered to.", ">\n\nThe police have looking for him since April, and haven't been able to confirm he was in fact in Hungary at his house, until he replied with the video showing a Hungarian national pizza chain box in the video.", ">\n\nRomanian, but other than that you're correct", ">\n\nI came in here expecting a different analysis. I will attempt to CYV about why it wasn't an own, not try to convince you it was an own.\nFirst of all, in twitterworld, it was, definitively, an own. She ratio'd the fuck out of him, and he got arrested the next day. I predict that that will function as the urbandictionary.com definition of \"ratiod\" going forward. It doesn't matter that you have a paragraph analysis of a funnier \"own,\" twitter disagrees with you. Honestly she could have just replied \"cringe\" and ratiod him just as hard, it's kinda irrelevant what she said, realistically he self-owned by tweeting at her at all. \nHowever, it wasn't like, great, that she did that. He's a shithead troll that we really should all just be ignoring. He has a massive audience of incels and other disaffected men, unfortunately, but he's not worthy of anybody's attention. \nI don't think he's very smart, but I think he's a savvy Content operator at some level, and he managed to get lots of clicks and eyeballs for the exchange. It's pretty common to @ someone famous in an attempt to get them to acknowledge you in ANY way at all, negative positive doesn't matter, if they publicly acknowledge you, that's clout, that's click, that's expanded audience. \nHolistic context, in some ways she helped him grow his audience. Close the lens a bit though and no dude she fucking owned his ass harder come the fuck on lmao", ">\n\nShe accurately assessed that he is insecure about his masculinity.\nShe then gave a very low-effort, dismissive insult, and his responses showed that it really got to him. He made a video response to it.\nYour proposed response is... not funny. Hers wasn't particularly funny, it was dismissive. He responded an hour and a half later with \"How dare you?!\", a quote she said to the UN a number of years ago, but... it doesn't really fit or make sense. It is, at the very least, a joking admission that he cares about what she said. Ten hours later, he had filmed a video response as a new comeback, putting so much more effort into the entire conversation than she did.\nHer tweet amassed a lot of likes and praise prior to his video response resulting in him confirming to the Romanian authorities that he was still in the country (the pizza he had someone bring him to make him look cool was clearly from a Romanian pizzeria), making it possible for them to raid his properties, because of how little effort it took her to knock him off his overconfident pedestal.", ">\n\nI don't think he feels insecure about his masculinity. He has this massive ego like a Donald Trump or a Kanye West type of person. He is far too narcissistic and self centered to have such insecurities. Unless he has some sort of \"Imposter Syndrome\" or other similar disorder.\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\nI see it as more of a \"More headlines for me? Gimme gimme gimme!\"\nI'm not a professional comedian. I thought it would be a funnier response or at least a better insult than Gretas. Greta's response came off as a bit tone deaf to me. Like preaching to the choir.\nThe \"How Dare you?\" response by Tate is fitting. That is her catchphrase. That was her 15 minutes of fame.\nIt's like a \"You insulted me? How dare you?\"\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.", ">\n\nHis response demonstrates his insecurity. You don't get worked up about that sort of insult unless it really bothers you. He views women as property and targets teenagers because he considers them to be more impressionable. I think it really bothered him to have her question his masculinity, and him obsessing over it for so long demonstrates that.\n\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\n\nDo you think I'm saying he's insecure about his masculinity because he really does have a small penis? His penis is irrelevant. Call of Duty-level insults like that aren't about penis size, or actually having sex with someone's mother, or anything else like that. Toxic masculinity is obsessed with penis size, so saying that someone has a small penis is an attack on their claims to masculinity. The worst way to respond to that sort of insult... is to respond to it.\nYes, his initial response correctly identified who he was talking to, but is it fitting? His response implied that hers carried some weight to it, which, as I said above, is not what you want to do to that type of insult. He then proved that he was bothered by spending so much more time thinking of another comeback.\nHis second comeback was basically \"no, you!\" (plus transphobia), which only really works if the other person is invested in the conversation. There's no indication she's even visited Twitter since her response to him.\n\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.\n\nIf you raid his properties and he's not even in the country, he's not going to come back to the country, and you're never going to be able to arrest him. You need to make sure he's there. They said that they had monitored his social media to try to figure out if he was in Romania, and then he made a very high-profile post containing evidence that he was in Romania. \"Pinging his cellphone\" only works if they know what phone he's using.", ">\n\nShe said \"yes, please do enlighten me. email me at [email protected]\" not \"you have a small penis.\" \nWhat she actually said could be more closely translated as \"Stop bragging about this silly shit, you pathetic tool.\" \nIn response, Andrew Tate blew up his own damn life with more poorly thought out and pathetic baggadocio, because he is indeed a pathetic tool.", ">\n\nI suppose Small Dick Energy =/= Small Dick.\nAt the same time you can understand the confusion.", ">\n\nNot really. I mean, unless you're a non-native English speaker or something. The context made the comment pretty clear IMO.", ">\n\nI used to get made fun of in the 6th grade because my penis was so big... I was the only black kid in my school. That's not cool man.\nI remember balling my eyes out going home and crying to my mom. I said \"Momma is my dick bigger than the other kids because I am black? Why they so racist!?\"\nShe said \"No son... This isn't racism. It is because you are fifteen and have been held back a few grades.\"", ">\n\nBy Andrew Tate", ">\n\nThis post has small dick energy. Change my mind.", ">\n\nThere's something to be said for the idea of body shaming always being wrong, but when I think of how this ultimately went for Tate the first word that leaps to mind is definitely not \"empowered.\"", ">\n\nI don't believe his tweeting or pizza ordering lead to his arrest.\nThe cops didn't show up and say \"You said something mean to greta we are locking you up!\"", ">\n\nI mean that depends entirely on if his dick is actually small or not doesn't it? \nIf an autist like Greta can figure out you have a small dick from a tweet, that's going to hurt... like A LOT.\nThat said if his dick is average or better it's going to do nothing.", ">\n\nBro her tweet literally led to him doxx himself with a video response and getting arrested by the Romanian police she totally fucking dunked on his ass stop being insecure about your penis size nobody cares.", ">\n\nTate has been arrested for alleged Child Sex Trafficking and Rape. No teenager should ever confront a person like that. Tate is disgusting, narcissistic and twisted coming after a child.", ">\n\nHere is my take.\nIf you ever tried to argue with someone like Tate, especially with the example you provided, he would still respond in the same infantile way.\nThere is no insult “reasoning” with them. All that matters is that he got a hit in, and his crowd cheered and clapped at this Einstein level retort. If you play with shit like Tate might as well get into the mud.\nYou have to hit them with the schoolyard insult that even their fucking jackass crowd can understand. \nYes it is body shaming, but that is like me saying I hope Rush Limbaugh dies of cancer….because he literally sided with smoke companies to say smoking is not a risk to health. He fucking deserves it.\nSo basically the way I see it, when a human being decides to willfully unsubscribe to the collective progress and compassion of society; then inhuman insults are absolutely fair game.", ">\n\nyea but I think the reason to not body shame is you might hurt that one person with a low blow, but you make many other innocent people feel insecure.", ">\n\nIs this… is this George Costanza?", ">\n\nIt’s just shit talking. Who cares about shit talking? Frankly it’s immature on both ends.", ">\n\nThe simple fact that her tweet inevitably led to his arrest is 100% a from the foul line, slam dunk.", ">\n\nThe fact that Tate was having a twitter war with a 12 year old kid and got arrested made him lose.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, these things are quiet subjective \n to opinion.\nThe opinion of a great mass (at least on more left-leaning sites like Reddit) will paint it as a Tate L. And often times it is the majority opinion that gets the “say so” so to speak of subjective truths.\nIt appears the mods will likely remove your post under rule B, which they typically do for any CMV that doesn’t fit the general Reddit opinion.", ">\n\nWell, yeah I had to admit Grerta Thumberg looks ridiculous when she criticizes someone for his 'lack of masculinity', when she herself is not very successful in a beauty department", ">\n\nShe criticized him for being insecure about his masculinity. Doubt she cares if he's masculine or not, but he's for sure insecure about it and he proved it", ">\n\nI mean, her femininity is nothing to be 'secure' about because it doesn't exist. She is 19 years old, and she looks like a fucking child...\nAs a man, I just find it very hilarious when a woman who's not that blessed in the looks department opens her mouth on the question of anyone's masculinity.", ">\n\nThis is such a bonkers response. She didn't question his masculinity. She pointed out that he's insecure and he is\nAre you only able to understand what women are saying when you want to fuck them?" ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?", ">\n\nIf someone made either of these two suggested responses to his bait:\n\nYea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk? \nI am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nthey are being drawn in to his conversation. Taking his bait. \nHer actual response, by contrast, was dismissive, saying \"you're not worth conversing with\". That's a bigger take-down, and ended up baiting him so badly that he got himself arrested.", ">\n\nThat's just a low energy response like \"No you.\"", ">\n\nIt was clearly effective against him, what more do you want?\nA high energy response says \"you're worth the energy\". Clearly, though, Andrew Tate is not.", ">\n\nI don't think it was effective though. I don't believe he responded because:\n\"oh no my feeling are hurt now I gotta say something mean back!\"\nI think he responded because...\n\"I like my name on the headlines... Gimme more headlines! I love to be the center of attention! Me me me me me!\"", ">\n\nTo determine if something is effective, you need to look at the effect, which is that Andrew Tate is under arrest.", ">\n\nbro look at the news... he def got owned.", ">\n\nHe was owned by the police arresting him. Not by Greta", ">\n\nIf anything it was a self-own, because his own histrionic reaction to literally the mildest of taunts from a teenager online led police directly to his door.", ">\n\nIs there proof that him tweeting about Greta led police directly to his door? Doesn't he like own his house and pay property taxes and the police would know where to find him if they were looking?", ">\n\nthe pizza let the police know he was there to be arrested ... no tweet, no response, no arrest.", ">\n\nWow, that is pretty slick.\nSo the police saw the pizza box. Didn't know where he lived...\nThen they called that pizza place and got a list of addresses that they delivered to.", ">\n\nThe police have looking for him since April, and haven't been able to confirm he was in fact in Hungary at his house, until he replied with the video showing a Hungarian national pizza chain box in the video.", ">\n\nRomanian, but other than that you're correct", ">\n\nI came in here expecting a different analysis. I will attempt to CYV about why it wasn't an own, not try to convince you it was an own.\nFirst of all, in twitterworld, it was, definitively, an own. She ratio'd the fuck out of him, and he got arrested the next day. I predict that that will function as the urbandictionary.com definition of \"ratiod\" going forward. It doesn't matter that you have a paragraph analysis of a funnier \"own,\" twitter disagrees with you. Honestly she could have just replied \"cringe\" and ratiod him just as hard, it's kinda irrelevant what she said, realistically he self-owned by tweeting at her at all. \nHowever, it wasn't like, great, that she did that. He's a shithead troll that we really should all just be ignoring. He has a massive audience of incels and other disaffected men, unfortunately, but he's not worthy of anybody's attention. \nI don't think he's very smart, but I think he's a savvy Content operator at some level, and he managed to get lots of clicks and eyeballs for the exchange. It's pretty common to @ someone famous in an attempt to get them to acknowledge you in ANY way at all, negative positive doesn't matter, if they publicly acknowledge you, that's clout, that's click, that's expanded audience. \nHolistic context, in some ways she helped him grow his audience. Close the lens a bit though and no dude she fucking owned his ass harder come the fuck on lmao", ">\n\nShe accurately assessed that he is insecure about his masculinity.\nShe then gave a very low-effort, dismissive insult, and his responses showed that it really got to him. He made a video response to it.\nYour proposed response is... not funny. Hers wasn't particularly funny, it was dismissive. He responded an hour and a half later with \"How dare you?!\", a quote she said to the UN a number of years ago, but... it doesn't really fit or make sense. It is, at the very least, a joking admission that he cares about what she said. Ten hours later, he had filmed a video response as a new comeback, putting so much more effort into the entire conversation than she did.\nHer tweet amassed a lot of likes and praise prior to his video response resulting in him confirming to the Romanian authorities that he was still in the country (the pizza he had someone bring him to make him look cool was clearly from a Romanian pizzeria), making it possible for them to raid his properties, because of how little effort it took her to knock him off his overconfident pedestal.", ">\n\nI don't think he feels insecure about his masculinity. He has this massive ego like a Donald Trump or a Kanye West type of person. He is far too narcissistic and self centered to have such insecurities. Unless he has some sort of \"Imposter Syndrome\" or other similar disorder.\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\nI see it as more of a \"More headlines for me? Gimme gimme gimme!\"\nI'm not a professional comedian. I thought it would be a funnier response or at least a better insult than Gretas. Greta's response came off as a bit tone deaf to me. Like preaching to the choir.\nThe \"How Dare you?\" response by Tate is fitting. That is her catchphrase. That was her 15 minutes of fame.\nIt's like a \"You insulted me? How dare you?\"\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.", ">\n\nHis response demonstrates his insecurity. You don't get worked up about that sort of insult unless it really bothers you. He views women as property and targets teenagers because he considers them to be more impressionable. I think it really bothered him to have her question his masculinity, and him obsessing over it for so long demonstrates that.\n\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\n\nDo you think I'm saying he's insecure about his masculinity because he really does have a small penis? His penis is irrelevant. Call of Duty-level insults like that aren't about penis size, or actually having sex with someone's mother, or anything else like that. Toxic masculinity is obsessed with penis size, so saying that someone has a small penis is an attack on their claims to masculinity. The worst way to respond to that sort of insult... is to respond to it.\nYes, his initial response correctly identified who he was talking to, but is it fitting? His response implied that hers carried some weight to it, which, as I said above, is not what you want to do to that type of insult. He then proved that he was bothered by spending so much more time thinking of another comeback.\nHis second comeback was basically \"no, you!\" (plus transphobia), which only really works if the other person is invested in the conversation. There's no indication she's even visited Twitter since her response to him.\n\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.\n\nIf you raid his properties and he's not even in the country, he's not going to come back to the country, and you're never going to be able to arrest him. You need to make sure he's there. They said that they had monitored his social media to try to figure out if he was in Romania, and then he made a very high-profile post containing evidence that he was in Romania. \"Pinging his cellphone\" only works if they know what phone he's using.", ">\n\nShe said \"yes, please do enlighten me. email me at [email protected]\" not \"you have a small penis.\" \nWhat she actually said could be more closely translated as \"Stop bragging about this silly shit, you pathetic tool.\" \nIn response, Andrew Tate blew up his own damn life with more poorly thought out and pathetic baggadocio, because he is indeed a pathetic tool.", ">\n\nI suppose Small Dick Energy =/= Small Dick.\nAt the same time you can understand the confusion.", ">\n\nNot really. I mean, unless you're a non-native English speaker or something. The context made the comment pretty clear IMO.", ">\n\nI used to get made fun of in the 6th grade because my penis was so big... I was the only black kid in my school. That's not cool man.\nI remember balling my eyes out going home and crying to my mom. I said \"Momma is my dick bigger than the other kids because I am black? Why they so racist!?\"\nShe said \"No son... This isn't racism. It is because you are fifteen and have been held back a few grades.\"", ">\n\nBy Andrew Tate", ">\n\nThis post has small dick energy. Change my mind.", ">\n\nThere's something to be said for the idea of body shaming always being wrong, but when I think of how this ultimately went for Tate the first word that leaps to mind is definitely not \"empowered.\"", ">\n\nI don't believe his tweeting or pizza ordering lead to his arrest.\nThe cops didn't show up and say \"You said something mean to greta we are locking you up!\"", ">\n\nI mean that depends entirely on if his dick is actually small or not doesn't it? \nIf an autist like Greta can figure out you have a small dick from a tweet, that's going to hurt... like A LOT.\nThat said if his dick is average or better it's going to do nothing.", ">\n\nBro her tweet literally led to him doxx himself with a video response and getting arrested by the Romanian police she totally fucking dunked on his ass stop being insecure about your penis size nobody cares.", ">\n\nTate has been arrested for alleged Child Sex Trafficking and Rape. No teenager should ever confront a person like that. Tate is disgusting, narcissistic and twisted coming after a child.", ">\n\nHere is my take.\nIf you ever tried to argue with someone like Tate, especially with the example you provided, he would still respond in the same infantile way.\nThere is no insult “reasoning” with them. All that matters is that he got a hit in, and his crowd cheered and clapped at this Einstein level retort. If you play with shit like Tate might as well get into the mud.\nYou have to hit them with the schoolyard insult that even their fucking jackass crowd can understand. \nYes it is body shaming, but that is like me saying I hope Rush Limbaugh dies of cancer….because he literally sided with smoke companies to say smoking is not a risk to health. He fucking deserves it.\nSo basically the way I see it, when a human being decides to willfully unsubscribe to the collective progress and compassion of society; then inhuman insults are absolutely fair game.", ">\n\nyea but I think the reason to not body shame is you might hurt that one person with a low blow, but you make many other innocent people feel insecure.", ">\n\nIs this… is this George Costanza?", ">\n\nIt’s just shit talking. Who cares about shit talking? Frankly it’s immature on both ends.", ">\n\nThe simple fact that her tweet inevitably led to his arrest is 100% a from the foul line, slam dunk.", ">\n\nThe fact that Tate was having a twitter war with a 12 year old kid and got arrested made him lose.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, these things are quiet subjective \n to opinion.\nThe opinion of a great mass (at least on more left-leaning sites like Reddit) will paint it as a Tate L. And often times it is the majority opinion that gets the “say so” so to speak of subjective truths.\nIt appears the mods will likely remove your post under rule B, which they typically do for any CMV that doesn’t fit the general Reddit opinion.", ">\n\nWell, yeah I had to admit Grerta Thumberg looks ridiculous when she criticizes someone for his 'lack of masculinity', when she herself is not very successful in a beauty department", ">\n\nShe criticized him for being insecure about his masculinity. Doubt she cares if he's masculine or not, but he's for sure insecure about it and he proved it", ">\n\nI mean, her femininity is nothing to be 'secure' about because it doesn't exist. She is 19 years old, and she looks like a fucking child...\nAs a man, I just find it very hilarious when a woman who's not that blessed in the looks department opens her mouth on the question of anyone's masculinity.", ">\n\nThis is such a bonkers response. She didn't question his masculinity. She pointed out that he's insecure and he is\nAre you only able to understand what women are saying when you want to fuck them?", ">\n\n\nShe pointed out that he's insecure and he is\n\nIt's such a 'woman moment', to claim to know what someone thinks deep inside their brain. I don't know if he is secure or insecure. I just know that Andrew Tate is physically fit, and he lifts. He looks like a man. \nAnd Greta Thumberg looks like a pedophile's dream. Underdeveloped and legal. I don't know if she is 'secure or not', but in her best interest is to advocate for a body positive and anti-lookist society, because her attractiveness as a woman does not exist." ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?", ">\n\nIf someone made either of these two suggested responses to his bait:\n\nYea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk? \nI am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nthey are being drawn in to his conversation. Taking his bait. \nHer actual response, by contrast, was dismissive, saying \"you're not worth conversing with\". That's a bigger take-down, and ended up baiting him so badly that he got himself arrested.", ">\n\nThat's just a low energy response like \"No you.\"", ">\n\nIt was clearly effective against him, what more do you want?\nA high energy response says \"you're worth the energy\". Clearly, though, Andrew Tate is not.", ">\n\nI don't think it was effective though. I don't believe he responded because:\n\"oh no my feeling are hurt now I gotta say something mean back!\"\nI think he responded because...\n\"I like my name on the headlines... Gimme more headlines! I love to be the center of attention! Me me me me me!\"", ">\n\nTo determine if something is effective, you need to look at the effect, which is that Andrew Tate is under arrest.", ">\n\nbro look at the news... he def got owned.", ">\n\nHe was owned by the police arresting him. Not by Greta", ">\n\nIf anything it was a self-own, because his own histrionic reaction to literally the mildest of taunts from a teenager online led police directly to his door.", ">\n\nIs there proof that him tweeting about Greta led police directly to his door? Doesn't he like own his house and pay property taxes and the police would know where to find him if they were looking?", ">\n\nthe pizza let the police know he was there to be arrested ... no tweet, no response, no arrest.", ">\n\nWow, that is pretty slick.\nSo the police saw the pizza box. Didn't know where he lived...\nThen they called that pizza place and got a list of addresses that they delivered to.", ">\n\nThe police have looking for him since April, and haven't been able to confirm he was in fact in Hungary at his house, until he replied with the video showing a Hungarian national pizza chain box in the video.", ">\n\nRomanian, but other than that you're correct", ">\n\nI came in here expecting a different analysis. I will attempt to CYV about why it wasn't an own, not try to convince you it was an own.\nFirst of all, in twitterworld, it was, definitively, an own. She ratio'd the fuck out of him, and he got arrested the next day. I predict that that will function as the urbandictionary.com definition of \"ratiod\" going forward. It doesn't matter that you have a paragraph analysis of a funnier \"own,\" twitter disagrees with you. Honestly she could have just replied \"cringe\" and ratiod him just as hard, it's kinda irrelevant what she said, realistically he self-owned by tweeting at her at all. \nHowever, it wasn't like, great, that she did that. He's a shithead troll that we really should all just be ignoring. He has a massive audience of incels and other disaffected men, unfortunately, but he's not worthy of anybody's attention. \nI don't think he's very smart, but I think he's a savvy Content operator at some level, and he managed to get lots of clicks and eyeballs for the exchange. It's pretty common to @ someone famous in an attempt to get them to acknowledge you in ANY way at all, negative positive doesn't matter, if they publicly acknowledge you, that's clout, that's click, that's expanded audience. \nHolistic context, in some ways she helped him grow his audience. Close the lens a bit though and no dude she fucking owned his ass harder come the fuck on lmao", ">\n\nShe accurately assessed that he is insecure about his masculinity.\nShe then gave a very low-effort, dismissive insult, and his responses showed that it really got to him. He made a video response to it.\nYour proposed response is... not funny. Hers wasn't particularly funny, it was dismissive. He responded an hour and a half later with \"How dare you?!\", a quote she said to the UN a number of years ago, but... it doesn't really fit or make sense. It is, at the very least, a joking admission that he cares about what she said. Ten hours later, he had filmed a video response as a new comeback, putting so much more effort into the entire conversation than she did.\nHer tweet amassed a lot of likes and praise prior to his video response resulting in him confirming to the Romanian authorities that he was still in the country (the pizza he had someone bring him to make him look cool was clearly from a Romanian pizzeria), making it possible for them to raid his properties, because of how little effort it took her to knock him off his overconfident pedestal.", ">\n\nI don't think he feels insecure about his masculinity. He has this massive ego like a Donald Trump or a Kanye West type of person. He is far too narcissistic and self centered to have such insecurities. Unless he has some sort of \"Imposter Syndrome\" or other similar disorder.\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\nI see it as more of a \"More headlines for me? Gimme gimme gimme!\"\nI'm not a professional comedian. I thought it would be a funnier response or at least a better insult than Gretas. Greta's response came off as a bit tone deaf to me. Like preaching to the choir.\nThe \"How Dare you?\" response by Tate is fitting. That is her catchphrase. That was her 15 minutes of fame.\nIt's like a \"You insulted me? How dare you?\"\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.", ">\n\nHis response demonstrates his insecurity. You don't get worked up about that sort of insult unless it really bothers you. He views women as property and targets teenagers because he considers them to be more impressionable. I think it really bothered him to have her question his masculinity, and him obsessing over it for so long demonstrates that.\n\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\n\nDo you think I'm saying he's insecure about his masculinity because he really does have a small penis? His penis is irrelevant. Call of Duty-level insults like that aren't about penis size, or actually having sex with someone's mother, or anything else like that. Toxic masculinity is obsessed with penis size, so saying that someone has a small penis is an attack on their claims to masculinity. The worst way to respond to that sort of insult... is to respond to it.\nYes, his initial response correctly identified who he was talking to, but is it fitting? His response implied that hers carried some weight to it, which, as I said above, is not what you want to do to that type of insult. He then proved that he was bothered by spending so much more time thinking of another comeback.\nHis second comeback was basically \"no, you!\" (plus transphobia), which only really works if the other person is invested in the conversation. There's no indication she's even visited Twitter since her response to him.\n\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.\n\nIf you raid his properties and he's not even in the country, he's not going to come back to the country, and you're never going to be able to arrest him. You need to make sure he's there. They said that they had monitored his social media to try to figure out if he was in Romania, and then he made a very high-profile post containing evidence that he was in Romania. \"Pinging his cellphone\" only works if they know what phone he's using.", ">\n\nShe said \"yes, please do enlighten me. email me at [email protected]\" not \"you have a small penis.\" \nWhat she actually said could be more closely translated as \"Stop bragging about this silly shit, you pathetic tool.\" \nIn response, Andrew Tate blew up his own damn life with more poorly thought out and pathetic baggadocio, because he is indeed a pathetic tool.", ">\n\nI suppose Small Dick Energy =/= Small Dick.\nAt the same time you can understand the confusion.", ">\n\nNot really. I mean, unless you're a non-native English speaker or something. The context made the comment pretty clear IMO.", ">\n\nI used to get made fun of in the 6th grade because my penis was so big... I was the only black kid in my school. That's not cool man.\nI remember balling my eyes out going home and crying to my mom. I said \"Momma is my dick bigger than the other kids because I am black? Why they so racist!?\"\nShe said \"No son... This isn't racism. It is because you are fifteen and have been held back a few grades.\"", ">\n\nBy Andrew Tate", ">\n\nThis post has small dick energy. Change my mind.", ">\n\nThere's something to be said for the idea of body shaming always being wrong, but when I think of how this ultimately went for Tate the first word that leaps to mind is definitely not \"empowered.\"", ">\n\nI don't believe his tweeting or pizza ordering lead to his arrest.\nThe cops didn't show up and say \"You said something mean to greta we are locking you up!\"", ">\n\nI mean that depends entirely on if his dick is actually small or not doesn't it? \nIf an autist like Greta can figure out you have a small dick from a tweet, that's going to hurt... like A LOT.\nThat said if his dick is average or better it's going to do nothing.", ">\n\nBro her tweet literally led to him doxx himself with a video response and getting arrested by the Romanian police she totally fucking dunked on his ass stop being insecure about your penis size nobody cares.", ">\n\nTate has been arrested for alleged Child Sex Trafficking and Rape. No teenager should ever confront a person like that. Tate is disgusting, narcissistic and twisted coming after a child.", ">\n\nHere is my take.\nIf you ever tried to argue with someone like Tate, especially with the example you provided, he would still respond in the same infantile way.\nThere is no insult “reasoning” with them. All that matters is that he got a hit in, and his crowd cheered and clapped at this Einstein level retort. If you play with shit like Tate might as well get into the mud.\nYou have to hit them with the schoolyard insult that even their fucking jackass crowd can understand. \nYes it is body shaming, but that is like me saying I hope Rush Limbaugh dies of cancer….because he literally sided with smoke companies to say smoking is not a risk to health. He fucking deserves it.\nSo basically the way I see it, when a human being decides to willfully unsubscribe to the collective progress and compassion of society; then inhuman insults are absolutely fair game.", ">\n\nyea but I think the reason to not body shame is you might hurt that one person with a low blow, but you make many other innocent people feel insecure.", ">\n\nIs this… is this George Costanza?", ">\n\nIt’s just shit talking. Who cares about shit talking? Frankly it’s immature on both ends.", ">\n\nThe simple fact that her tweet inevitably led to his arrest is 100% a from the foul line, slam dunk.", ">\n\nThe fact that Tate was having a twitter war with a 12 year old kid and got arrested made him lose.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, these things are quiet subjective \n to opinion.\nThe opinion of a great mass (at least on more left-leaning sites like Reddit) will paint it as a Tate L. And often times it is the majority opinion that gets the “say so” so to speak of subjective truths.\nIt appears the mods will likely remove your post under rule B, which they typically do for any CMV that doesn’t fit the general Reddit opinion.", ">\n\nWell, yeah I had to admit Grerta Thumberg looks ridiculous when she criticizes someone for his 'lack of masculinity', when she herself is not very successful in a beauty department", ">\n\nShe criticized him for being insecure about his masculinity. Doubt she cares if he's masculine or not, but he's for sure insecure about it and he proved it", ">\n\nI mean, her femininity is nothing to be 'secure' about because it doesn't exist. She is 19 years old, and she looks like a fucking child...\nAs a man, I just find it very hilarious when a woman who's not that blessed in the looks department opens her mouth on the question of anyone's masculinity.", ">\n\nThis is such a bonkers response. She didn't question his masculinity. She pointed out that he's insecure and he is\nAre you only able to understand what women are saying when you want to fuck them?", ">\n\n\nShe pointed out that he's insecure and he is\n\nIt's such a 'woman moment', to claim to know what someone thinks deep inside their brain. I don't know if he is secure or insecure. I just know that Andrew Tate is physically fit, and he lifts. He looks like a man. \nAnd Greta Thumberg looks like a pedophile's dream. Underdeveloped and legal. I don't know if she is 'secure or not', but in her best interest is to advocate for a body positive and anti-lookist society, because her attractiveness as a woman does not exist.", ">\n\nYou can judge him off his actions. His actions say he's insecure and when pointed out, he proved it even further\nSo you can't understand what a woman says unless you want to fuck her. Got it" ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?", ">\n\nIf someone made either of these two suggested responses to his bait:\n\nYea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk? \nI am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nthey are being drawn in to his conversation. Taking his bait. \nHer actual response, by contrast, was dismissive, saying \"you're not worth conversing with\". That's a bigger take-down, and ended up baiting him so badly that he got himself arrested.", ">\n\nThat's just a low energy response like \"No you.\"", ">\n\nIt was clearly effective against him, what more do you want?\nA high energy response says \"you're worth the energy\". Clearly, though, Andrew Tate is not.", ">\n\nI don't think it was effective though. I don't believe he responded because:\n\"oh no my feeling are hurt now I gotta say something mean back!\"\nI think he responded because...\n\"I like my name on the headlines... Gimme more headlines! I love to be the center of attention! Me me me me me!\"", ">\n\nTo determine if something is effective, you need to look at the effect, which is that Andrew Tate is under arrest.", ">\n\nbro look at the news... he def got owned.", ">\n\nHe was owned by the police arresting him. Not by Greta", ">\n\nIf anything it was a self-own, because his own histrionic reaction to literally the mildest of taunts from a teenager online led police directly to his door.", ">\n\nIs there proof that him tweeting about Greta led police directly to his door? Doesn't he like own his house and pay property taxes and the police would know where to find him if they were looking?", ">\n\nthe pizza let the police know he was there to be arrested ... no tweet, no response, no arrest.", ">\n\nWow, that is pretty slick.\nSo the police saw the pizza box. Didn't know where he lived...\nThen they called that pizza place and got a list of addresses that they delivered to.", ">\n\nThe police have looking for him since April, and haven't been able to confirm he was in fact in Hungary at his house, until he replied with the video showing a Hungarian national pizza chain box in the video.", ">\n\nRomanian, but other than that you're correct", ">\n\nI came in here expecting a different analysis. I will attempt to CYV about why it wasn't an own, not try to convince you it was an own.\nFirst of all, in twitterworld, it was, definitively, an own. She ratio'd the fuck out of him, and he got arrested the next day. I predict that that will function as the urbandictionary.com definition of \"ratiod\" going forward. It doesn't matter that you have a paragraph analysis of a funnier \"own,\" twitter disagrees with you. Honestly she could have just replied \"cringe\" and ratiod him just as hard, it's kinda irrelevant what she said, realistically he self-owned by tweeting at her at all. \nHowever, it wasn't like, great, that she did that. He's a shithead troll that we really should all just be ignoring. He has a massive audience of incels and other disaffected men, unfortunately, but he's not worthy of anybody's attention. \nI don't think he's very smart, but I think he's a savvy Content operator at some level, and he managed to get lots of clicks and eyeballs for the exchange. It's pretty common to @ someone famous in an attempt to get them to acknowledge you in ANY way at all, negative positive doesn't matter, if they publicly acknowledge you, that's clout, that's click, that's expanded audience. \nHolistic context, in some ways she helped him grow his audience. Close the lens a bit though and no dude she fucking owned his ass harder come the fuck on lmao", ">\n\nShe accurately assessed that he is insecure about his masculinity.\nShe then gave a very low-effort, dismissive insult, and his responses showed that it really got to him. He made a video response to it.\nYour proposed response is... not funny. Hers wasn't particularly funny, it was dismissive. He responded an hour and a half later with \"How dare you?!\", a quote she said to the UN a number of years ago, but... it doesn't really fit or make sense. It is, at the very least, a joking admission that he cares about what she said. Ten hours later, he had filmed a video response as a new comeback, putting so much more effort into the entire conversation than she did.\nHer tweet amassed a lot of likes and praise prior to his video response resulting in him confirming to the Romanian authorities that he was still in the country (the pizza he had someone bring him to make him look cool was clearly from a Romanian pizzeria), making it possible for them to raid his properties, because of how little effort it took her to knock him off his overconfident pedestal.", ">\n\nI don't think he feels insecure about his masculinity. He has this massive ego like a Donald Trump or a Kanye West type of person. He is far too narcissistic and self centered to have such insecurities. Unless he has some sort of \"Imposter Syndrome\" or other similar disorder.\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\nI see it as more of a \"More headlines for me? Gimme gimme gimme!\"\nI'm not a professional comedian. I thought it would be a funnier response or at least a better insult than Gretas. Greta's response came off as a bit tone deaf to me. Like preaching to the choir.\nThe \"How Dare you?\" response by Tate is fitting. That is her catchphrase. That was her 15 minutes of fame.\nIt's like a \"You insulted me? How dare you?\"\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.", ">\n\nHis response demonstrates his insecurity. You don't get worked up about that sort of insult unless it really bothers you. He views women as property and targets teenagers because he considers them to be more impressionable. I think it really bothered him to have her question his masculinity, and him obsessing over it for so long demonstrates that.\n\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\n\nDo you think I'm saying he's insecure about his masculinity because he really does have a small penis? His penis is irrelevant. Call of Duty-level insults like that aren't about penis size, or actually having sex with someone's mother, or anything else like that. Toxic masculinity is obsessed with penis size, so saying that someone has a small penis is an attack on their claims to masculinity. The worst way to respond to that sort of insult... is to respond to it.\nYes, his initial response correctly identified who he was talking to, but is it fitting? His response implied that hers carried some weight to it, which, as I said above, is not what you want to do to that type of insult. He then proved that he was bothered by spending so much more time thinking of another comeback.\nHis second comeback was basically \"no, you!\" (plus transphobia), which only really works if the other person is invested in the conversation. There's no indication she's even visited Twitter since her response to him.\n\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.\n\nIf you raid his properties and he's not even in the country, he's not going to come back to the country, and you're never going to be able to arrest him. You need to make sure he's there. They said that they had monitored his social media to try to figure out if he was in Romania, and then he made a very high-profile post containing evidence that he was in Romania. \"Pinging his cellphone\" only works if they know what phone he's using.", ">\n\nShe said \"yes, please do enlighten me. email me at [email protected]\" not \"you have a small penis.\" \nWhat she actually said could be more closely translated as \"Stop bragging about this silly shit, you pathetic tool.\" \nIn response, Andrew Tate blew up his own damn life with more poorly thought out and pathetic baggadocio, because he is indeed a pathetic tool.", ">\n\nI suppose Small Dick Energy =/= Small Dick.\nAt the same time you can understand the confusion.", ">\n\nNot really. I mean, unless you're a non-native English speaker or something. The context made the comment pretty clear IMO.", ">\n\nI used to get made fun of in the 6th grade because my penis was so big... I was the only black kid in my school. That's not cool man.\nI remember balling my eyes out going home and crying to my mom. I said \"Momma is my dick bigger than the other kids because I am black? Why they so racist!?\"\nShe said \"No son... This isn't racism. It is because you are fifteen and have been held back a few grades.\"", ">\n\nBy Andrew Tate", ">\n\nThis post has small dick energy. Change my mind.", ">\n\nThere's something to be said for the idea of body shaming always being wrong, but when I think of how this ultimately went for Tate the first word that leaps to mind is definitely not \"empowered.\"", ">\n\nI don't believe his tweeting or pizza ordering lead to his arrest.\nThe cops didn't show up and say \"You said something mean to greta we are locking you up!\"", ">\n\nI mean that depends entirely on if his dick is actually small or not doesn't it? \nIf an autist like Greta can figure out you have a small dick from a tweet, that's going to hurt... like A LOT.\nThat said if his dick is average or better it's going to do nothing.", ">\n\nBro her tweet literally led to him doxx himself with a video response and getting arrested by the Romanian police she totally fucking dunked on his ass stop being insecure about your penis size nobody cares.", ">\n\nTate has been arrested for alleged Child Sex Trafficking and Rape. No teenager should ever confront a person like that. Tate is disgusting, narcissistic and twisted coming after a child.", ">\n\nHere is my take.\nIf you ever tried to argue with someone like Tate, especially with the example you provided, he would still respond in the same infantile way.\nThere is no insult “reasoning” with them. All that matters is that he got a hit in, and his crowd cheered and clapped at this Einstein level retort. If you play with shit like Tate might as well get into the mud.\nYou have to hit them with the schoolyard insult that even their fucking jackass crowd can understand. \nYes it is body shaming, but that is like me saying I hope Rush Limbaugh dies of cancer….because he literally sided with smoke companies to say smoking is not a risk to health. He fucking deserves it.\nSo basically the way I see it, when a human being decides to willfully unsubscribe to the collective progress and compassion of society; then inhuman insults are absolutely fair game.", ">\n\nyea but I think the reason to not body shame is you might hurt that one person with a low blow, but you make many other innocent people feel insecure.", ">\n\nIs this… is this George Costanza?", ">\n\nIt’s just shit talking. Who cares about shit talking? Frankly it’s immature on both ends.", ">\n\nThe simple fact that her tweet inevitably led to his arrest is 100% a from the foul line, slam dunk.", ">\n\nThe fact that Tate was having a twitter war with a 12 year old kid and got arrested made him lose.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, these things are quiet subjective \n to opinion.\nThe opinion of a great mass (at least on more left-leaning sites like Reddit) will paint it as a Tate L. And often times it is the majority opinion that gets the “say so” so to speak of subjective truths.\nIt appears the mods will likely remove your post under rule B, which they typically do for any CMV that doesn’t fit the general Reddit opinion.", ">\n\nWell, yeah I had to admit Grerta Thumberg looks ridiculous when she criticizes someone for his 'lack of masculinity', when she herself is not very successful in a beauty department", ">\n\nShe criticized him for being insecure about his masculinity. Doubt she cares if he's masculine or not, but he's for sure insecure about it and he proved it", ">\n\nI mean, her femininity is nothing to be 'secure' about because it doesn't exist. She is 19 years old, and she looks like a fucking child...\nAs a man, I just find it very hilarious when a woman who's not that blessed in the looks department opens her mouth on the question of anyone's masculinity.", ">\n\nThis is such a bonkers response. She didn't question his masculinity. She pointed out that he's insecure and he is\nAre you only able to understand what women are saying when you want to fuck them?", ">\n\n\nShe pointed out that he's insecure and he is\n\nIt's such a 'woman moment', to claim to know what someone thinks deep inside their brain. I don't know if he is secure or insecure. I just know that Andrew Tate is physically fit, and he lifts. He looks like a man. \nAnd Greta Thumberg looks like a pedophile's dream. Underdeveloped and legal. I don't know if she is 'secure or not', but in her best interest is to advocate for a body positive and anti-lookist society, because her attractiveness as a woman does not exist.", ">\n\nYou can judge him off his actions. His actions say he's insecure and when pointed out, he proved it even further\nSo you can't understand what a woman says unless you want to fuck her. Got it", ">\n\n\nSo you can't understand what a woman says unless you want to fuck her. Got it\n\nI can't understand some women regardless whether I want to fuck them, because I understand logic and women operate on feelings" ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?", ">\n\nIf someone made either of these two suggested responses to his bait:\n\nYea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk? \nI am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nthey are being drawn in to his conversation. Taking his bait. \nHer actual response, by contrast, was dismissive, saying \"you're not worth conversing with\". That's a bigger take-down, and ended up baiting him so badly that he got himself arrested.", ">\n\nThat's just a low energy response like \"No you.\"", ">\n\nIt was clearly effective against him, what more do you want?\nA high energy response says \"you're worth the energy\". Clearly, though, Andrew Tate is not.", ">\n\nI don't think it was effective though. I don't believe he responded because:\n\"oh no my feeling are hurt now I gotta say something mean back!\"\nI think he responded because...\n\"I like my name on the headlines... Gimme more headlines! I love to be the center of attention! Me me me me me!\"", ">\n\nTo determine if something is effective, you need to look at the effect, which is that Andrew Tate is under arrest.", ">\n\nbro look at the news... he def got owned.", ">\n\nHe was owned by the police arresting him. Not by Greta", ">\n\nIf anything it was a self-own, because his own histrionic reaction to literally the mildest of taunts from a teenager online led police directly to his door.", ">\n\nIs there proof that him tweeting about Greta led police directly to his door? Doesn't he like own his house and pay property taxes and the police would know where to find him if they were looking?", ">\n\nthe pizza let the police know he was there to be arrested ... no tweet, no response, no arrest.", ">\n\nWow, that is pretty slick.\nSo the police saw the pizza box. Didn't know where he lived...\nThen they called that pizza place and got a list of addresses that they delivered to.", ">\n\nThe police have looking for him since April, and haven't been able to confirm he was in fact in Hungary at his house, until he replied with the video showing a Hungarian national pizza chain box in the video.", ">\n\nRomanian, but other than that you're correct", ">\n\nI came in here expecting a different analysis. I will attempt to CYV about why it wasn't an own, not try to convince you it was an own.\nFirst of all, in twitterworld, it was, definitively, an own. She ratio'd the fuck out of him, and he got arrested the next day. I predict that that will function as the urbandictionary.com definition of \"ratiod\" going forward. It doesn't matter that you have a paragraph analysis of a funnier \"own,\" twitter disagrees with you. Honestly she could have just replied \"cringe\" and ratiod him just as hard, it's kinda irrelevant what she said, realistically he self-owned by tweeting at her at all. \nHowever, it wasn't like, great, that she did that. He's a shithead troll that we really should all just be ignoring. He has a massive audience of incels and other disaffected men, unfortunately, but he's not worthy of anybody's attention. \nI don't think he's very smart, but I think he's a savvy Content operator at some level, and he managed to get lots of clicks and eyeballs for the exchange. It's pretty common to @ someone famous in an attempt to get them to acknowledge you in ANY way at all, negative positive doesn't matter, if they publicly acknowledge you, that's clout, that's click, that's expanded audience. \nHolistic context, in some ways she helped him grow his audience. Close the lens a bit though and no dude she fucking owned his ass harder come the fuck on lmao", ">\n\nShe accurately assessed that he is insecure about his masculinity.\nShe then gave a very low-effort, dismissive insult, and his responses showed that it really got to him. He made a video response to it.\nYour proposed response is... not funny. Hers wasn't particularly funny, it was dismissive. He responded an hour and a half later with \"How dare you?!\", a quote she said to the UN a number of years ago, but... it doesn't really fit or make sense. It is, at the very least, a joking admission that he cares about what she said. Ten hours later, he had filmed a video response as a new comeback, putting so much more effort into the entire conversation than she did.\nHer tweet amassed a lot of likes and praise prior to his video response resulting in him confirming to the Romanian authorities that he was still in the country (the pizza he had someone bring him to make him look cool was clearly from a Romanian pizzeria), making it possible for them to raid his properties, because of how little effort it took her to knock him off his overconfident pedestal.", ">\n\nI don't think he feels insecure about his masculinity. He has this massive ego like a Donald Trump or a Kanye West type of person. He is far too narcissistic and self centered to have such insecurities. Unless he has some sort of \"Imposter Syndrome\" or other similar disorder.\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\nI see it as more of a \"More headlines for me? Gimme gimme gimme!\"\nI'm not a professional comedian. I thought it would be a funnier response or at least a better insult than Gretas. Greta's response came off as a bit tone deaf to me. Like preaching to the choir.\nThe \"How Dare you?\" response by Tate is fitting. That is her catchphrase. That was her 15 minutes of fame.\nIt's like a \"You insulted me? How dare you?\"\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.", ">\n\nHis response demonstrates his insecurity. You don't get worked up about that sort of insult unless it really bothers you. He views women as property and targets teenagers because he considers them to be more impressionable. I think it really bothered him to have her question his masculinity, and him obsessing over it for so long demonstrates that.\n\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\n\nDo you think I'm saying he's insecure about his masculinity because he really does have a small penis? His penis is irrelevant. Call of Duty-level insults like that aren't about penis size, or actually having sex with someone's mother, or anything else like that. Toxic masculinity is obsessed with penis size, so saying that someone has a small penis is an attack on their claims to masculinity. The worst way to respond to that sort of insult... is to respond to it.\nYes, his initial response correctly identified who he was talking to, but is it fitting? His response implied that hers carried some weight to it, which, as I said above, is not what you want to do to that type of insult. He then proved that he was bothered by spending so much more time thinking of another comeback.\nHis second comeback was basically \"no, you!\" (plus transphobia), which only really works if the other person is invested in the conversation. There's no indication she's even visited Twitter since her response to him.\n\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.\n\nIf you raid his properties and he's not even in the country, he's not going to come back to the country, and you're never going to be able to arrest him. You need to make sure he's there. They said that they had monitored his social media to try to figure out if he was in Romania, and then he made a very high-profile post containing evidence that he was in Romania. \"Pinging his cellphone\" only works if they know what phone he's using.", ">\n\nShe said \"yes, please do enlighten me. email me at [email protected]\" not \"you have a small penis.\" \nWhat she actually said could be more closely translated as \"Stop bragging about this silly shit, you pathetic tool.\" \nIn response, Andrew Tate blew up his own damn life with more poorly thought out and pathetic baggadocio, because he is indeed a pathetic tool.", ">\n\nI suppose Small Dick Energy =/= Small Dick.\nAt the same time you can understand the confusion.", ">\n\nNot really. I mean, unless you're a non-native English speaker or something. The context made the comment pretty clear IMO.", ">\n\nI used to get made fun of in the 6th grade because my penis was so big... I was the only black kid in my school. That's not cool man.\nI remember balling my eyes out going home and crying to my mom. I said \"Momma is my dick bigger than the other kids because I am black? Why they so racist!?\"\nShe said \"No son... This isn't racism. It is because you are fifteen and have been held back a few grades.\"", ">\n\nBy Andrew Tate", ">\n\nThis post has small dick energy. Change my mind.", ">\n\nThere's something to be said for the idea of body shaming always being wrong, but when I think of how this ultimately went for Tate the first word that leaps to mind is definitely not \"empowered.\"", ">\n\nI don't believe his tweeting or pizza ordering lead to his arrest.\nThe cops didn't show up and say \"You said something mean to greta we are locking you up!\"", ">\n\nI mean that depends entirely on if his dick is actually small or not doesn't it? \nIf an autist like Greta can figure out you have a small dick from a tweet, that's going to hurt... like A LOT.\nThat said if his dick is average or better it's going to do nothing.", ">\n\nBro her tweet literally led to him doxx himself with a video response and getting arrested by the Romanian police she totally fucking dunked on his ass stop being insecure about your penis size nobody cares.", ">\n\nTate has been arrested for alleged Child Sex Trafficking and Rape. No teenager should ever confront a person like that. Tate is disgusting, narcissistic and twisted coming after a child.", ">\n\nHere is my take.\nIf you ever tried to argue with someone like Tate, especially with the example you provided, he would still respond in the same infantile way.\nThere is no insult “reasoning” with them. All that matters is that he got a hit in, and his crowd cheered and clapped at this Einstein level retort. If you play with shit like Tate might as well get into the mud.\nYou have to hit them with the schoolyard insult that even their fucking jackass crowd can understand. \nYes it is body shaming, but that is like me saying I hope Rush Limbaugh dies of cancer….because he literally sided with smoke companies to say smoking is not a risk to health. He fucking deserves it.\nSo basically the way I see it, when a human being decides to willfully unsubscribe to the collective progress and compassion of society; then inhuman insults are absolutely fair game.", ">\n\nyea but I think the reason to not body shame is you might hurt that one person with a low blow, but you make many other innocent people feel insecure.", ">\n\nIs this… is this George Costanza?", ">\n\nIt’s just shit talking. Who cares about shit talking? Frankly it’s immature on both ends.", ">\n\nThe simple fact that her tweet inevitably led to his arrest is 100% a from the foul line, slam dunk.", ">\n\nThe fact that Tate was having a twitter war with a 12 year old kid and got arrested made him lose.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, these things are quiet subjective \n to opinion.\nThe opinion of a great mass (at least on more left-leaning sites like Reddit) will paint it as a Tate L. And often times it is the majority opinion that gets the “say so” so to speak of subjective truths.\nIt appears the mods will likely remove your post under rule B, which they typically do for any CMV that doesn’t fit the general Reddit opinion.", ">\n\nWell, yeah I had to admit Grerta Thumberg looks ridiculous when she criticizes someone for his 'lack of masculinity', when she herself is not very successful in a beauty department", ">\n\nShe criticized him for being insecure about his masculinity. Doubt she cares if he's masculine or not, but he's for sure insecure about it and he proved it", ">\n\nI mean, her femininity is nothing to be 'secure' about because it doesn't exist. She is 19 years old, and she looks like a fucking child...\nAs a man, I just find it very hilarious when a woman who's not that blessed in the looks department opens her mouth on the question of anyone's masculinity.", ">\n\nThis is such a bonkers response. She didn't question his masculinity. She pointed out that he's insecure and he is\nAre you only able to understand what women are saying when you want to fuck them?", ">\n\n\nShe pointed out that he's insecure and he is\n\nIt's such a 'woman moment', to claim to know what someone thinks deep inside their brain. I don't know if he is secure or insecure. I just know that Andrew Tate is physically fit, and he lifts. He looks like a man. \nAnd Greta Thumberg looks like a pedophile's dream. Underdeveloped and legal. I don't know if she is 'secure or not', but in her best interest is to advocate for a body positive and anti-lookist society, because her attractiveness as a woman does not exist.", ">\n\nYou can judge him off his actions. His actions say he's insecure and when pointed out, he proved it even further\nSo you can't understand what a woman says unless you want to fuck her. Got it", ">\n\n\nSo you can't understand what a woman says unless you want to fuck her. Got it\n\nI can't understand some women regardless whether I want to fuck them, because I understand logic and women operate on feelings", ">\n\nThis greta has cheat level privilege on twitter with all her fellow wackos of course they are going to spew bs and say she owned him. I have no idea who the guy is but seems like a monumental dick" ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?", ">\n\nIf someone made either of these two suggested responses to his bait:\n\nYea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk? \nI am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nthey are being drawn in to his conversation. Taking his bait. \nHer actual response, by contrast, was dismissive, saying \"you're not worth conversing with\". That's a bigger take-down, and ended up baiting him so badly that he got himself arrested.", ">\n\nThat's just a low energy response like \"No you.\"", ">\n\nIt was clearly effective against him, what more do you want?\nA high energy response says \"you're worth the energy\". Clearly, though, Andrew Tate is not.", ">\n\nI don't think it was effective though. I don't believe he responded because:\n\"oh no my feeling are hurt now I gotta say something mean back!\"\nI think he responded because...\n\"I like my name on the headlines... Gimme more headlines! I love to be the center of attention! Me me me me me!\"", ">\n\nTo determine if something is effective, you need to look at the effect, which is that Andrew Tate is under arrest.", ">\n\nbro look at the news... he def got owned.", ">\n\nHe was owned by the police arresting him. Not by Greta", ">\n\nIf anything it was a self-own, because his own histrionic reaction to literally the mildest of taunts from a teenager online led police directly to his door.", ">\n\nIs there proof that him tweeting about Greta led police directly to his door? Doesn't he like own his house and pay property taxes and the police would know where to find him if they were looking?", ">\n\nthe pizza let the police know he was there to be arrested ... no tweet, no response, no arrest.", ">\n\nWow, that is pretty slick.\nSo the police saw the pizza box. Didn't know where he lived...\nThen they called that pizza place and got a list of addresses that they delivered to.", ">\n\nThe police have looking for him since April, and haven't been able to confirm he was in fact in Hungary at his house, until he replied with the video showing a Hungarian national pizza chain box in the video.", ">\n\nRomanian, but other than that you're correct", ">\n\nI came in here expecting a different analysis. I will attempt to CYV about why it wasn't an own, not try to convince you it was an own.\nFirst of all, in twitterworld, it was, definitively, an own. She ratio'd the fuck out of him, and he got arrested the next day. I predict that that will function as the urbandictionary.com definition of \"ratiod\" going forward. It doesn't matter that you have a paragraph analysis of a funnier \"own,\" twitter disagrees with you. Honestly she could have just replied \"cringe\" and ratiod him just as hard, it's kinda irrelevant what she said, realistically he self-owned by tweeting at her at all. \nHowever, it wasn't like, great, that she did that. He's a shithead troll that we really should all just be ignoring. He has a massive audience of incels and other disaffected men, unfortunately, but he's not worthy of anybody's attention. \nI don't think he's very smart, but I think he's a savvy Content operator at some level, and he managed to get lots of clicks and eyeballs for the exchange. It's pretty common to @ someone famous in an attempt to get them to acknowledge you in ANY way at all, negative positive doesn't matter, if they publicly acknowledge you, that's clout, that's click, that's expanded audience. \nHolistic context, in some ways she helped him grow his audience. Close the lens a bit though and no dude she fucking owned his ass harder come the fuck on lmao", ">\n\nShe accurately assessed that he is insecure about his masculinity.\nShe then gave a very low-effort, dismissive insult, and his responses showed that it really got to him. He made a video response to it.\nYour proposed response is... not funny. Hers wasn't particularly funny, it was dismissive. He responded an hour and a half later with \"How dare you?!\", a quote she said to the UN a number of years ago, but... it doesn't really fit or make sense. It is, at the very least, a joking admission that he cares about what she said. Ten hours later, he had filmed a video response as a new comeback, putting so much more effort into the entire conversation than she did.\nHer tweet amassed a lot of likes and praise prior to his video response resulting in him confirming to the Romanian authorities that he was still in the country (the pizza he had someone bring him to make him look cool was clearly from a Romanian pizzeria), making it possible for them to raid his properties, because of how little effort it took her to knock him off his overconfident pedestal.", ">\n\nI don't think he feels insecure about his masculinity. He has this massive ego like a Donald Trump or a Kanye West type of person. He is far too narcissistic and self centered to have such insecurities. Unless he has some sort of \"Imposter Syndrome\" or other similar disorder.\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\nI see it as more of a \"More headlines for me? Gimme gimme gimme!\"\nI'm not a professional comedian. I thought it would be a funnier response or at least a better insult than Gretas. Greta's response came off as a bit tone deaf to me. Like preaching to the choir.\nThe \"How Dare you?\" response by Tate is fitting. That is her catchphrase. That was her 15 minutes of fame.\nIt's like a \"You insulted me? How dare you?\"\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.", ">\n\nHis response demonstrates his insecurity. You don't get worked up about that sort of insult unless it really bothers you. He views women as property and targets teenagers because he considers them to be more impressionable. I think it really bothered him to have her question his masculinity, and him obsessing over it for so long demonstrates that.\n\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\n\nDo you think I'm saying he's insecure about his masculinity because he really does have a small penis? His penis is irrelevant. Call of Duty-level insults like that aren't about penis size, or actually having sex with someone's mother, or anything else like that. Toxic masculinity is obsessed with penis size, so saying that someone has a small penis is an attack on their claims to masculinity. The worst way to respond to that sort of insult... is to respond to it.\nYes, his initial response correctly identified who he was talking to, but is it fitting? His response implied that hers carried some weight to it, which, as I said above, is not what you want to do to that type of insult. He then proved that he was bothered by spending so much more time thinking of another comeback.\nHis second comeback was basically \"no, you!\" (plus transphobia), which only really works if the other person is invested in the conversation. There's no indication she's even visited Twitter since her response to him.\n\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.\n\nIf you raid his properties and he's not even in the country, he's not going to come back to the country, and you're never going to be able to arrest him. You need to make sure he's there. They said that they had monitored his social media to try to figure out if he was in Romania, and then he made a very high-profile post containing evidence that he was in Romania. \"Pinging his cellphone\" only works if they know what phone he's using.", ">\n\nShe said \"yes, please do enlighten me. email me at [email protected]\" not \"you have a small penis.\" \nWhat she actually said could be more closely translated as \"Stop bragging about this silly shit, you pathetic tool.\" \nIn response, Andrew Tate blew up his own damn life with more poorly thought out and pathetic baggadocio, because he is indeed a pathetic tool.", ">\n\nI suppose Small Dick Energy =/= Small Dick.\nAt the same time you can understand the confusion.", ">\n\nNot really. I mean, unless you're a non-native English speaker or something. The context made the comment pretty clear IMO.", ">\n\nI used to get made fun of in the 6th grade because my penis was so big... I was the only black kid in my school. That's not cool man.\nI remember balling my eyes out going home and crying to my mom. I said \"Momma is my dick bigger than the other kids because I am black? Why they so racist!?\"\nShe said \"No son... This isn't racism. It is because you are fifteen and have been held back a few grades.\"", ">\n\nBy Andrew Tate", ">\n\nThis post has small dick energy. Change my mind.", ">\n\nThere's something to be said for the idea of body shaming always being wrong, but when I think of how this ultimately went for Tate the first word that leaps to mind is definitely not \"empowered.\"", ">\n\nI don't believe his tweeting or pizza ordering lead to his arrest.\nThe cops didn't show up and say \"You said something mean to greta we are locking you up!\"", ">\n\nI mean that depends entirely on if his dick is actually small or not doesn't it? \nIf an autist like Greta can figure out you have a small dick from a tweet, that's going to hurt... like A LOT.\nThat said if his dick is average or better it's going to do nothing.", ">\n\nBro her tweet literally led to him doxx himself with a video response and getting arrested by the Romanian police she totally fucking dunked on his ass stop being insecure about your penis size nobody cares.", ">\n\nTate has been arrested for alleged Child Sex Trafficking and Rape. No teenager should ever confront a person like that. Tate is disgusting, narcissistic and twisted coming after a child.", ">\n\nHere is my take.\nIf you ever tried to argue with someone like Tate, especially with the example you provided, he would still respond in the same infantile way.\nThere is no insult “reasoning” with them. All that matters is that he got a hit in, and his crowd cheered and clapped at this Einstein level retort. If you play with shit like Tate might as well get into the mud.\nYou have to hit them with the schoolyard insult that even their fucking jackass crowd can understand. \nYes it is body shaming, but that is like me saying I hope Rush Limbaugh dies of cancer….because he literally sided with smoke companies to say smoking is not a risk to health. He fucking deserves it.\nSo basically the way I see it, when a human being decides to willfully unsubscribe to the collective progress and compassion of society; then inhuman insults are absolutely fair game.", ">\n\nyea but I think the reason to not body shame is you might hurt that one person with a low blow, but you make many other innocent people feel insecure.", ">\n\nIs this… is this George Costanza?", ">\n\nIt’s just shit talking. Who cares about shit talking? Frankly it’s immature on both ends.", ">\n\nThe simple fact that her tweet inevitably led to his arrest is 100% a from the foul line, slam dunk.", ">\n\nThe fact that Tate was having a twitter war with a 12 year old kid and got arrested made him lose.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, these things are quiet subjective \n to opinion.\nThe opinion of a great mass (at least on more left-leaning sites like Reddit) will paint it as a Tate L. And often times it is the majority opinion that gets the “say so” so to speak of subjective truths.\nIt appears the mods will likely remove your post under rule B, which they typically do for any CMV that doesn’t fit the general Reddit opinion.", ">\n\nWell, yeah I had to admit Grerta Thumberg looks ridiculous when she criticizes someone for his 'lack of masculinity', when she herself is not very successful in a beauty department", ">\n\nShe criticized him for being insecure about his masculinity. Doubt she cares if he's masculine or not, but he's for sure insecure about it and he proved it", ">\n\nI mean, her femininity is nothing to be 'secure' about because it doesn't exist. She is 19 years old, and she looks like a fucking child...\nAs a man, I just find it very hilarious when a woman who's not that blessed in the looks department opens her mouth on the question of anyone's masculinity.", ">\n\nThis is such a bonkers response. She didn't question his masculinity. She pointed out that he's insecure and he is\nAre you only able to understand what women are saying when you want to fuck them?", ">\n\n\nShe pointed out that he's insecure and he is\n\nIt's such a 'woman moment', to claim to know what someone thinks deep inside their brain. I don't know if he is secure or insecure. I just know that Andrew Tate is physically fit, and he lifts. He looks like a man. \nAnd Greta Thumberg looks like a pedophile's dream. Underdeveloped and legal. I don't know if she is 'secure or not', but in her best interest is to advocate for a body positive and anti-lookist society, because her attractiveness as a woman does not exist.", ">\n\nYou can judge him off his actions. His actions say he's insecure and when pointed out, he proved it even further\nSo you can't understand what a woman says unless you want to fuck her. Got it", ">\n\n\nSo you can't understand what a woman says unless you want to fuck her. Got it\n\nI can't understand some women regardless whether I want to fuck them, because I understand logic and women operate on feelings", ">\n\nThis greta has cheat level privilege on twitter with all her fellow wackos of course they are going to spew bs and say she owned him. I have no idea who the guy is but seems like a monumental dick", ">\n\nHe's out claimed he was swatted." ]

[ "To /u/Then-Ad1531, Your post is under consideration for removal for violating Rule B.\nIn our experience, the best conversations genuinely consider the other person’s perspective. Here are some techniques for keeping yourself honest:\n\nInstead of only looking for flaws in a comment, be sure to engage with the commenters’ strongest arguments — not just their weakest.\nSteelman rather than strawman. When summarizing someone’s points, look for the most reasonable interpretation of their words.\nAvoid moving the goalposts. Reread the claims in your OP or first comments and if you need to change to a new set of claims to continue arguing for your position, you might want to consider acknowledging the change in view with a delta before proceeding.\nAsk questions and really try to understand the other side, rather than trying to prove why they are wrong.\n\nPlease also take a moment to review our Rule B guidelines and really ask yourself - am I exhibiting any of these behaviors? If so, see what you can do to get the discussion back on track. Remember, the goal of CMV is to try and understand why others think differently than you do.", ">\n\nThere’s never a shortage of long winded people who deride intelligent good people in order to defend really bad people.", ">\n\nI'd hesitate to call her intelligent, regardless of whether she's right or not. It doesn't take intelligence to yell at the UN. It just takes vitriol.", ">\n\nLazy swipes get lazy rebuttals; after he basically came at her and said “I have 33 fast cars and they all spew emissions, u mad lol”, would you have honestly expected her to respond with anything articulate and not just go for the low-hanging fruit?\nBut even after stooping to his level, that comment got under his skin so much that he clapped back with a 2min video in which he basically said “I know you are, but what am I?”, and ended up doxxing himself for his troubles. \nSo yeah, technically Greta’s tweet didn’t have to own, destroy, dunk on, etc. Andrew Tate, he just clowned himself", ">\n\nShe called him insecure in a crude turn of phrase. He went on to display his overwhelming insecurity to the internet, and, unfortunately for him, the police.", ">\n\nMore than anything else, I find your very first sentence to be immensely irritating and frustrating.\nYou're putting a lot, A LOOOOT, of effort into defending Tate here. Disputing that he got owned is defending him; how could it not be? Saying that the insult was out of line is defending him; how could it not be? Literally everything, every single thing, you have written in this post could have been written by a friend of Andrew Tate, who presumably reads criticism of himself and texts his friend \"hey bro, the internet hates me, can you start a CMV about me and say stuff like 'Greta's comment was out of line' and 'she should have made a different joke' and 'she insulted my masculinity'? Thanks bro!\" Like literally every single thing you've said here, you played that role PERFECTLY. So I don't know how you could possibly argue that you aren't defending him. You'd have an easier time arguing that water isn't wet.", ">\n\nWell, he unintentionally doxxed himself in his small-dicked response video to her, leading the Romanian police to his door.\nShe won this one for sure. He was humiliated, then arrested. Very satisfying to see.", ">\n\nThey already went to his house before, they knew where he lived lol. This whole “pizza box” thing doesn’t mean anything. Tate has made 100s of videos from the same room, the police would have known even if he wasn’t eating pizza….they could have just went to his house any day….", ">\n\n\"Small dick energy\" is different than \"small dick.\" It says you have the energy of a man who is insecure about his manliness. You can have small dick energy without a small dick if you are constantly acting like you are compensating for something.\nWe don't know if Tate's dick is small or not. But he acts the way dumb men act when they're trying to make up for being ashamed of their penis size.", ">\n\nI feel like this argument doesn’t hold up for any other kind of body shaming. There are way better ways to call somebody insecure", ">\n\nIt's just mental gymnastics and gaslighting all to justify body shaming.", ">\n\nYour dead hooker in the trunk joke isn't remotely new or original either, it's ripped directly from the movie Dirty Work, which came out 25 years ago. So why would trading one cliché for another help?", ">\n\nRight, and I even mentioned Dirty Work in my OP post. It would have been a humorous reference to an obscure Norm McDonald movie RIP. And meme material.", ">\n\nThe desperation to try to cast Thunberg as the villain in this by the incel crowd is absolutely hilarious.\nLet's recap!\nA 40-year-old who is famous for being a jackass misogynist, who seems convinced, against all evidence, that he's smart, tried to troll a 19-year-old environmental activist by... listing his cars.\nShe suggested he was acting like an insecure twit.\nHe then made a series of posts and an entire staged video, first asking how dare she (which, wtf), then trying to look like some basement dwelling Hugh Hefner while crowing he doesn't recycle.\nIn short, he was owned and then flung himself back out wearing a chicken suit. He could not have acted more the fool -- EXCEPT that in the process he outted his own location and got arrested.\nHow is he \"empowered\" exactly?\n\nWhat she said is the weakest form of argument which is name calling. \nFor a woman to say to a man. \"You have a small penis.\" That is not an original insult. That is an insult that has been hurled millions of times at millions of men. It's like the fourth most common insult ever spoken. It comes just after \"You are fat.\" and \"You are stupid.\" and \"You are ugly.\" It is nothing new. It is by no means creative or funny at all.\n\nIt wasn't name calling, and that's not what she said.\n\nShe could have said: \n\"Yea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk?\" \nThat would have been a way better burn. People would have been losing their shit! They would look up that scene from Dirty Work they would make Memes of Greta opening the trunks and Tate trying to close them. People would be laughing their asses off.\n\n.... what?\nI have no fucking clue what you're referencing but no, making a joke out of either fridging women or that he's actually kept women tied up is not either funny or a joke.\n\nHe said: \n\"I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emotions.\" \nShe could have said: \n\"I am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nI suppose, but she's not 6. Spewing from your face hole? Is this serious?\n\nIn fact, she could have simply ignored his tweet and not handed him a bigger microphone to be on reddits front page and in a bunch of headlines. She took the bait hook line and sinker.\n\nShe didn't ignore it when Trump tried trolling her either. She dunked on his moronic ass too.\nThe level of ire and hysteria her kicking Tate's exceedingly stupid ass all over Twitter by the incel crowd is proving a good time though.", ">\n\nI never said Greta is a villain. \nTate may be an asshole, politically incorrect, and and abrasive but he is not an idiot. If you actually listened to the way he speaks for like 5 minutes judging by his vocabulary you would see he does not suffer from some sort of learning disability or anything like that. You and I both may disagree with his views, but he is not a moron because he has different views.\nHis age & Her age are irrelevant as they are both adults. Neither is a child.\nTate was obviously trolling in that video response to her. It was to build himself more online clout. He gets his name in more headlines that way. It's not because she hurt his feelings. It's not because he is some captain planet villain either. It's all about feeding his ego by getting his name in more headlines and on the front page of reddit. Even a blind man can see that.\nYou don't get the Dirty Work reference. It's a Norm McDonald movie from the late 90s. About 25 years ago. Basically Norm works as a \"Revenge for hire\" sort of person. One of his targets is a used car dealer. He pays some hookers to play dead in the trunk and gets a camera crew there and the used car dealer is trying to run around and close all the trunks with a \"dead hooker\" in them, but norm keeps hitting the open button. I felt it would be a more fitting insult because of his human trafficking accusations. Hit him on the human trafficking accusations not the dick size.\nI don't recall her ever \"Dunking on Trump\". I think she like gave him a scowl once and he just walked on past. That was the extent of it?", ">\n\nIf someone made either of these two suggested responses to his bait:\n\nYea, but how many of those 33 cars do not have a dead hooker in the trunk? \nI am sure their combined exhaust is nothing compared to the toxic gasses spewing from your face hole.\"\n\nthey are being drawn in to his conversation. Taking his bait. \nHer actual response, by contrast, was dismissive, saying \"you're not worth conversing with\". That's a bigger take-down, and ended up baiting him so badly that he got himself arrested.", ">\n\nThat's just a low energy response like \"No you.\"", ">\n\nIt was clearly effective against him, what more do you want?\nA high energy response says \"you're worth the energy\". Clearly, though, Andrew Tate is not.", ">\n\nI don't think it was effective though. I don't believe he responded because:\n\"oh no my feeling are hurt now I gotta say something mean back!\"\nI think he responded because...\n\"I like my name on the headlines... Gimme more headlines! I love to be the center of attention! Me me me me me!\"", ">\n\nTo determine if something is effective, you need to look at the effect, which is that Andrew Tate is under arrest.", ">\n\nbro look at the news... he def got owned.", ">\n\nHe was owned by the police arresting him. Not by Greta", ">\n\nIf anything it was a self-own, because his own histrionic reaction to literally the mildest of taunts from a teenager online led police directly to his door.", ">\n\nIs there proof that him tweeting about Greta led police directly to his door? Doesn't he like own his house and pay property taxes and the police would know where to find him if they were looking?", ">\n\nthe pizza let the police know he was there to be arrested ... no tweet, no response, no arrest.", ">\n\nWow, that is pretty slick.\nSo the police saw the pizza box. Didn't know where he lived...\nThen they called that pizza place and got a list of addresses that they delivered to.", ">\n\nThe police have looking for him since April, and haven't been able to confirm he was in fact in Hungary at his house, until he replied with the video showing a Hungarian national pizza chain box in the video.", ">\n\nRomanian, but other than that you're correct", ">\n\nI came in here expecting a different analysis. I will attempt to CYV about why it wasn't an own, not try to convince you it was an own.\nFirst of all, in twitterworld, it was, definitively, an own. She ratio'd the fuck out of him, and he got arrested the next day. I predict that that will function as the urbandictionary.com definition of \"ratiod\" going forward. It doesn't matter that you have a paragraph analysis of a funnier \"own,\" twitter disagrees with you. Honestly she could have just replied \"cringe\" and ratiod him just as hard, it's kinda irrelevant what she said, realistically he self-owned by tweeting at her at all. \nHowever, it wasn't like, great, that she did that. He's a shithead troll that we really should all just be ignoring. He has a massive audience of incels and other disaffected men, unfortunately, but he's not worthy of anybody's attention. \nI don't think he's very smart, but I think he's a savvy Content operator at some level, and he managed to get lots of clicks and eyeballs for the exchange. It's pretty common to @ someone famous in an attempt to get them to acknowledge you in ANY way at all, negative positive doesn't matter, if they publicly acknowledge you, that's clout, that's click, that's expanded audience. \nHolistic context, in some ways she helped him grow his audience. Close the lens a bit though and no dude she fucking owned his ass harder come the fuck on lmao", ">\n\nShe accurately assessed that he is insecure about his masculinity.\nShe then gave a very low-effort, dismissive insult, and his responses showed that it really got to him. He made a video response to it.\nYour proposed response is... not funny. Hers wasn't particularly funny, it was dismissive. He responded an hour and a half later with \"How dare you?!\", a quote she said to the UN a number of years ago, but... it doesn't really fit or make sense. It is, at the very least, a joking admission that he cares about what she said. Ten hours later, he had filmed a video response as a new comeback, putting so much more effort into the entire conversation than she did.\nHer tweet amassed a lot of likes and praise prior to his video response resulting in him confirming to the Romanian authorities that he was still in the country (the pizza he had someone bring him to make him look cool was clearly from a Romanian pizzeria), making it possible for them to raid his properties, because of how little effort it took her to knock him off his overconfident pedestal.", ">\n\nI don't think he feels insecure about his masculinity. He has this massive ego like a Donald Trump or a Kanye West type of person. He is far too narcissistic and self centered to have such insecurities. Unless he has some sort of \"Imposter Syndrome\" or other similar disorder.\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\nI see it as more of a \"More headlines for me? Gimme gimme gimme!\"\nI'm not a professional comedian. I thought it would be a funnier response or at least a better insult than Gretas. Greta's response came off as a bit tone deaf to me. Like preaching to the choir.\nThe \"How Dare you?\" response by Tate is fitting. That is her catchphrase. That was her 15 minutes of fame.\nIt's like a \"You insulted me? How dare you?\"\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.", ">\n\nHis response demonstrates his insecurity. You don't get worked up about that sort of insult unless it really bothers you. He views women as property and targets teenagers because he considers them to be more impressionable. I think it really bothered him to have her question his masculinity, and him obsessing over it for so long demonstrates that.\n\nI don't view his response as a \"Oh no she hurt me, I best set the story straight! Nobody can know about my small peepee!\"\n\nDo you think I'm saying he's insecure about his masculinity because he really does have a small penis? His penis is irrelevant. Call of Duty-level insults like that aren't about penis size, or actually having sex with someone's mother, or anything else like that. Toxic masculinity is obsessed with penis size, so saying that someone has a small penis is an attack on their claims to masculinity. The worst way to respond to that sort of insult... is to respond to it.\nYes, his initial response correctly identified who he was talking to, but is it fitting? His response implied that hers carried some weight to it, which, as I said above, is not what you want to do to that type of insult. He then proved that he was bothered by spending so much more time thinking of another comeback.\nHis second comeback was basically \"no, you!\" (plus transphobia), which only really works if the other person is invested in the conversation. There's no indication she's even visited Twitter since her response to him.\n\nI don't think that the police need to rely on twitter messages and pizza shops to find suspects. His home address is a public record if they are looking for him they can find him. He doesn't have some secret hidden volcano base like Dr Evil. His home address is on the records. It is most likely just a coincidence that they came for him when they came for him. They could ping his cellphone and find him that way. The pizza shop and twitter didn't lead to his arrest.\n\nIf you raid his properties and he's not even in the country, he's not going to come back to the country, and you're never going to be able to arrest him. You need to make sure he's there. They said that they had monitored his social media to try to figure out if he was in Romania, and then he made a very high-profile post containing evidence that he was in Romania. \"Pinging his cellphone\" only works if they know what phone he's using.", ">\n\nShe said \"yes, please do enlighten me. email me at [email protected]\" not \"you have a small penis.\" \nWhat she actually said could be more closely translated as \"Stop bragging about this silly shit, you pathetic tool.\" \nIn response, Andrew Tate blew up his own damn life with more poorly thought out and pathetic baggadocio, because he is indeed a pathetic tool.", ">\n\nI suppose Small Dick Energy =/= Small Dick.\nAt the same time you can understand the confusion.", ">\n\nNot really. I mean, unless you're a non-native English speaker or something. The context made the comment pretty clear IMO.", ">\n\nI used to get made fun of in the 6th grade because my penis was so big... I was the only black kid in my school. That's not cool man.\nI remember balling my eyes out going home and crying to my mom. I said \"Momma is my dick bigger than the other kids because I am black? Why they so racist!?\"\nShe said \"No son... This isn't racism. It is because you are fifteen and have been held back a few grades.\"", ">\n\nBy Andrew Tate", ">\n\nThis post has small dick energy. Change my mind.", ">\n\nThere's something to be said for the idea of body shaming always being wrong, but when I think of how this ultimately went for Tate the first word that leaps to mind is definitely not \"empowered.\"", ">\n\nI don't believe his tweeting or pizza ordering lead to his arrest.\nThe cops didn't show up and say \"You said something mean to greta we are locking you up!\"", ">\n\nI mean that depends entirely on if his dick is actually small or not doesn't it? \nIf an autist like Greta can figure out you have a small dick from a tweet, that's going to hurt... like A LOT.\nThat said if his dick is average or better it's going to do nothing.", ">\n\nBro her tweet literally led to him doxx himself with a video response and getting arrested by the Romanian police she totally fucking dunked on his ass stop being insecure about your penis size nobody cares.", ">\n\nTate has been arrested for alleged Child Sex Trafficking and Rape. No teenager should ever confront a person like that. Tate is disgusting, narcissistic and twisted coming after a child.", ">\n\nHere is my take.\nIf you ever tried to argue with someone like Tate, especially with the example you provided, he would still respond in the same infantile way.\nThere is no insult “reasoning” with them. All that matters is that he got a hit in, and his crowd cheered and clapped at this Einstein level retort. If you play with shit like Tate might as well get into the mud.\nYou have to hit them with the schoolyard insult that even their fucking jackass crowd can understand. \nYes it is body shaming, but that is like me saying I hope Rush Limbaugh dies of cancer….because he literally sided with smoke companies to say smoking is not a risk to health. He fucking deserves it.\nSo basically the way I see it, when a human being decides to willfully unsubscribe to the collective progress and compassion of society; then inhuman insults are absolutely fair game.", ">\n\nyea but I think the reason to not body shame is you might hurt that one person with a low blow, but you make many other innocent people feel insecure.", ">\n\nIs this… is this George Costanza?", ">\n\nIt’s just shit talking. Who cares about shit talking? Frankly it’s immature on both ends.", ">\n\nThe simple fact that her tweet inevitably led to his arrest is 100% a from the foul line, slam dunk.", ">\n\nThe fact that Tate was having a twitter war with a 12 year old kid and got arrested made him lose.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, these things are quiet subjective \n to opinion.\nThe opinion of a great mass (at least on more left-leaning sites like Reddit) will paint it as a Tate L. And often times it is the majority opinion that gets the “say so” so to speak of subjective truths.\nIt appears the mods will likely remove your post under rule B, which they typically do for any CMV that doesn’t fit the general Reddit opinion.", ">\n\nWell, yeah I had to admit Grerta Thumberg looks ridiculous when she criticizes someone for his 'lack of masculinity', when she herself is not very successful in a beauty department", ">\n\nShe criticized him for being insecure about his masculinity. Doubt she cares if he's masculine or not, but he's for sure insecure about it and he proved it", ">\n\nI mean, her femininity is nothing to be 'secure' about because it doesn't exist. She is 19 years old, and she looks like a fucking child...\nAs a man, I just find it very hilarious when a woman who's not that blessed in the looks department opens her mouth on the question of anyone's masculinity.", ">\n\nThis is such a bonkers response. She didn't question his masculinity. She pointed out that he's insecure and he is\nAre you only able to understand what women are saying when you want to fuck them?", ">\n\n\nShe pointed out that he's insecure and he is\n\nIt's such a 'woman moment', to claim to know what someone thinks deep inside their brain. I don't know if he is secure or insecure. I just know that Andrew Tate is physically fit, and he lifts. He looks like a man. \nAnd Greta Thumberg looks like a pedophile's dream. Underdeveloped and legal. I don't know if she is 'secure or not', but in her best interest is to advocate for a body positive and anti-lookist society, because her attractiveness as a woman does not exist.", ">\n\nYou can judge him off his actions. His actions say he's insecure and when pointed out, he proved it even further\nSo you can't understand what a woman says unless you want to fuck her. Got it", ">\n\n\nSo you can't understand what a woman says unless you want to fuck her. Got it\n\nI can't understand some women regardless whether I want to fuck them, because I understand logic and women operate on feelings", ">\n\nThis greta has cheat level privilege on twitter with all her fellow wackos of course they are going to spew bs and say she owned him. I have no idea who the guy is but seems like a monumental dick", ">\n\nHe's out claimed he was swatted.", ">\n\nI thought her burn was ok, but it's been made into a major takedown by her fans. It wasn't." ]

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[ "I don't have the patience to pluck all those hairs" ]

[ "I don't have the patience to pluck all those hairs", ">\n\nHave you considered an epilator?" ]

[ "I don't have the patience to pluck all those hairs", ">\n\nHave you considered an epilator?", ">\n\nToday I learned this is a device that exists. \nI am also perturbed that this device exists and can only imagine what it must feel like on…sensitive areas." ]

[ "I don't have the patience to pluck all those hairs", ">\n\nHave you considered an epilator?", ">\n\nToday I learned this is a device that exists. \nI am also perturbed that this device exists and can only imagine what it must feel like on…sensitive areas.", ">\n\nJust use a numbing cream and an epilator, you'll be done in a few minutes." ]

[ "I don't have the patience to pluck all those hairs", ">\n\nHave you considered an epilator?", ">\n\nToday I learned this is a device that exists. \nI am also perturbed that this device exists and can only imagine what it must feel like on…sensitive areas.", ">\n\nJust use a numbing cream and an epilator, you'll be done in a few minutes.", ">\n\nSomeone else suggested an epilator too. I might actually switch to that if they’ve gotten better than the last time I tried one, which was admittedly a looong time ago. Thanks!" ]

[ "I don't have the patience to pluck all those hairs", ">\n\nHave you considered an epilator?", ">\n\nToday I learned this is a device that exists. \nI am also perturbed that this device exists and can only imagine what it must feel like on…sensitive areas.", ">\n\nJust use a numbing cream and an epilator, you'll be done in a few minutes.", ">\n\nSomeone else suggested an epilator too. I might actually switch to that if they’ve gotten better than the last time I tried one, which was admittedly a looong time ago. Thanks!", ">\n\nMy\nMother as well told me never to start shaving. Especially my facial hair which we get a lot of in my family. She always said plucking was best method and waxing of course. Thankfully I listened to her and avoided the razor.. can’t say the same for my sister.. she’s we had similar hair on lip chin cheeks. I waxed plucked over years it’s light and sparse; however my sister who shaved eyebrows as well as rest of face, years later has thick heavy black hairs that grow uneven." ]

[ "I don't have the patience to pluck all those hairs", ">\n\nHave you considered an epilator?", ">\n\nToday I learned this is a device that exists. \nI am also perturbed that this device exists and can only imagine what it must feel like on…sensitive areas.", ">\n\nJust use a numbing cream and an epilator, you'll be done in a few minutes.", ">\n\nSomeone else suggested an epilator too. I might actually switch to that if they’ve gotten better than the last time I tried one, which was admittedly a looong time ago. Thanks!", ">\n\nMy\nMother as well told me never to start shaving. Especially my facial hair which we get a lot of in my family. She always said plucking was best method and waxing of course. Thankfully I listened to her and avoided the razor.. can’t say the same for my sister.. she’s we had similar hair on lip chin cheeks. I waxed plucked over years it’s light and sparse; however my sister who shaved eyebrows as well as rest of face, years later has thick heavy black hairs that grow uneven.", ">\n\nI shaved for decades so I think your sister could get it under control if she wanted to switch methods. I’m sure that when the hair is cut down and not ripped out, the root keeps getting bigger, and the hair from that root is thick. The new growth I get is substantially thinner." ]

[ "I don't have the patience to pluck all those hairs", ">\n\nHave you considered an epilator?", ">\n\nToday I learned this is a device that exists. \nI am also perturbed that this device exists and can only imagine what it must feel like on…sensitive areas.", ">\n\nJust use a numbing cream and an epilator, you'll be done in a few minutes.", ">\n\nSomeone else suggested an epilator too. I might actually switch to that if they’ve gotten better than the last time I tried one, which was admittedly a looong time ago. Thanks!", ">\n\nMy\nMother as well told me never to start shaving. Especially my facial hair which we get a lot of in my family. She always said plucking was best method and waxing of course. Thankfully I listened to her and avoided the razor.. can’t say the same for my sister.. she’s we had similar hair on lip chin cheeks. I waxed plucked over years it’s light and sparse; however my sister who shaved eyebrows as well as rest of face, years later has thick heavy black hairs that grow uneven.", ">\n\nI shaved for decades so I think your sister could get it under control if she wanted to switch methods. I’m sure that when the hair is cut down and not ripped out, the root keeps getting bigger, and the hair from that root is thick. The new growth I get is substantially thinner.", ">\n\nI didn’t listen and shaved under arm pits since it was easiest for me I couldn’t deal with pain of plucking /waxing as I’m extremely sensitive under my arms. And I regret it. My under arm area always looks dark and hairy even after a god shave ☠️" ]

[ "I don't have the patience to pluck all those hairs", ">\n\nHave you considered an epilator?", ">\n\nToday I learned this is a device that exists. \nI am also perturbed that this device exists and can only imagine what it must feel like on…sensitive areas.", ">\n\nJust use a numbing cream and an epilator, you'll be done in a few minutes.", ">\n\nSomeone else suggested an epilator too. I might actually switch to that if they’ve gotten better than the last time I tried one, which was admittedly a looong time ago. Thanks!", ">\n\nMy\nMother as well told me never to start shaving. Especially my facial hair which we get a lot of in my family. She always said plucking was best method and waxing of course. Thankfully I listened to her and avoided the razor.. can’t say the same for my sister.. she’s we had similar hair on lip chin cheeks. I waxed plucked over years it’s light and sparse; however my sister who shaved eyebrows as well as rest of face, years later has thick heavy black hairs that grow uneven.", ">\n\nI shaved for decades so I think your sister could get it under control if she wanted to switch methods. I’m sure that when the hair is cut down and not ripped out, the root keeps getting bigger, and the hair from that root is thick. The new growth I get is substantially thinner.", ">\n\nI didn’t listen and shaved under arm pits since it was easiest for me I couldn’t deal with pain of plucking /waxing as I’m extremely sensitive under my arms. And I regret it. My under arm area always looks dark and hairy even after a god shave ☠️", ">\n\nMine did too. There’s a few millimetres of hair under the skin before it pops out. And it’s visible because it’s thick. Regrow the is much thinner and doesn’t show through. \nI used a numbing cream before plucking once just to see how much less pain there would be - it really helps. But honestly the new growth I can’t even feel when I pull it out (I do have a high pain threshold, so I totally get that it might not be the same for someone with sensitive skin there)." ]

[ "I don't have the patience to pluck all those hairs", ">\n\nHave you considered an epilator?", ">\n\nToday I learned this is a device that exists. \nI am also perturbed that this device exists and can only imagine what it must feel like on…sensitive areas.", ">\n\nJust use a numbing cream and an epilator, you'll be done in a few minutes.", ">\n\nSomeone else suggested an epilator too. I might actually switch to that if they’ve gotten better than the last time I tried one, which was admittedly a looong time ago. Thanks!", ">\n\nMy\nMother as well told me never to start shaving. Especially my facial hair which we get a lot of in my family. She always said plucking was best method and waxing of course. Thankfully I listened to her and avoided the razor.. can’t say the same for my sister.. she’s we had similar hair on lip chin cheeks. I waxed plucked over years it’s light and sparse; however my sister who shaved eyebrows as well as rest of face, years later has thick heavy black hairs that grow uneven.", ">\n\nI shaved for decades so I think your sister could get it under control if she wanted to switch methods. I’m sure that when the hair is cut down and not ripped out, the root keeps getting bigger, and the hair from that root is thick. The new growth I get is substantially thinner.", ">\n\nI didn’t listen and shaved under arm pits since it was easiest for me I couldn’t deal with pain of plucking /waxing as I’m extremely sensitive under my arms. And I regret it. My under arm area always looks dark and hairy even after a god shave ☠️", ">\n\nMine did too. There’s a few millimetres of hair under the skin before it pops out. And it’s visible because it’s thick. Regrow the is much thinner and doesn’t show through. \nI used a numbing cream before plucking once just to see how much less pain there would be - it really helps. But honestly the new growth I can’t even feel when I pull it out (I do have a high pain threshold, so I totally get that it might not be the same for someone with sensitive skin there).", ">\n\nIt's possible you're shaving in the wrong direction :)\nYou're supposed to shave in the direction the hair grows, not against it, so if your hair grows down you shave down and if it grows up you shave up and so on" ]

[ "I don't have the patience to pluck all those hairs", ">\n\nHave you considered an epilator?", ">\n\nToday I learned this is a device that exists. \nI am also perturbed that this device exists and can only imagine what it must feel like on…sensitive areas.", ">\n\nJust use a numbing cream and an epilator, you'll be done in a few minutes.", ">\n\nSomeone else suggested an epilator too. I might actually switch to that if they’ve gotten better than the last time I tried one, which was admittedly a looong time ago. Thanks!", ">\n\nMy\nMother as well told me never to start shaving. Especially my facial hair which we get a lot of in my family. She always said plucking was best method and waxing of course. Thankfully I listened to her and avoided the razor.. can’t say the same for my sister.. she’s we had similar hair on lip chin cheeks. I waxed plucked over years it’s light and sparse; however my sister who shaved eyebrows as well as rest of face, years later has thick heavy black hairs that grow uneven.", ">\n\nI shaved for decades so I think your sister could get it under control if she wanted to switch methods. I’m sure that when the hair is cut down and not ripped out, the root keeps getting bigger, and the hair from that root is thick. The new growth I get is substantially thinner.", ">\n\nI didn’t listen and shaved under arm pits since it was easiest for me I couldn’t deal with pain of plucking /waxing as I’m extremely sensitive under my arms. And I regret it. My under arm area always looks dark and hairy even after a god shave ☠️", ">\n\nMine did too. There’s a few millimetres of hair under the skin before it pops out. And it’s visible because it’s thick. Regrow the is much thinner and doesn’t show through. \nI used a numbing cream before plucking once just to see how much less pain there would be - it really helps. But honestly the new growth I can’t even feel when I pull it out (I do have a high pain threshold, so I totally get that it might not be the same for someone with sensitive skin there).", ">\n\nIt's possible you're shaving in the wrong direction :)\nYou're supposed to shave in the direction the hair grows, not against it, so if your hair grows down you shave down and if it grows up you shave up and so on", ">\n\nBut I'll try plucking eventually because you've made me curious" ]

[ "I don't have the patience to pluck all those hairs", ">\n\nHave you considered an epilator?", ">\n\nToday I learned this is a device that exists. \nI am also perturbed that this device exists and can only imagine what it must feel like on…sensitive areas.", ">\n\nJust use a numbing cream and an epilator, you'll be done in a few minutes.", ">\n\nSomeone else suggested an epilator too. I might actually switch to that if they’ve gotten better than the last time I tried one, which was admittedly a looong time ago. Thanks!", ">\n\nMy\nMother as well told me never to start shaving. Especially my facial hair which we get a lot of in my family. She always said plucking was best method and waxing of course. Thankfully I listened to her and avoided the razor.. can’t say the same for my sister.. she’s we had similar hair on lip chin cheeks. I waxed plucked over years it’s light and sparse; however my sister who shaved eyebrows as well as rest of face, years later has thick heavy black hairs that grow uneven.", ">\n\nI shaved for decades so I think your sister could get it under control if she wanted to switch methods. I’m sure that when the hair is cut down and not ripped out, the root keeps getting bigger, and the hair from that root is thick. The new growth I get is substantially thinner.", ">\n\nI didn’t listen and shaved under arm pits since it was easiest for me I couldn’t deal with pain of plucking /waxing as I’m extremely sensitive under my arms. And I regret it. My under arm area always looks dark and hairy even after a god shave ☠️", ">\n\nMine did too. There’s a few millimetres of hair under the skin before it pops out. And it’s visible because it’s thick. Regrow the is much thinner and doesn’t show through. \nI used a numbing cream before plucking once just to see how much less pain there would be - it really helps. But honestly the new growth I can’t even feel when I pull it out (I do have a high pain threshold, so I totally get that it might not be the same for someone with sensitive skin there).", ">\n\nIt's possible you're shaving in the wrong direction :)\nYou're supposed to shave in the direction the hair grows, not against it, so if your hair grows down you shave down and if it grows up you shave up and so on", ">\n\nBut I'll try plucking eventually because you've made me curious", ">\n\nIf you do try it, be prepared for the first few sessions to hurt like a mofo. Once you get rid of all the hair that has thick roots, the ones that grow back are easy to deal with." ]

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[ "And another Biden W! Common easy W" ]

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[ "Outgoing right-wing Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro — who won’t concede his Oct. 30 re-election loss to leftist former President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva — is reportedly going to spend New Year’s Eve at former right-wing U.S. President Donald Trump’s Palm Beach resort/classified documents warehouse.\n\nOf course he would." ]

[ "Outgoing right-wing Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro — who won’t concede his Oct. 30 re-election loss to leftist former President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva — is reportedly going to spend New Year’s Eve at former right-wing U.S. President Donald Trump’s Palm Beach resort/classified documents warehouse.\n\nOf course he would.", ">\n\nThey'll probably talk about an NFT for Jair" ]

[ "Outgoing right-wing Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro — who won’t concede his Oct. 30 re-election loss to leftist former President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva — is reportedly going to spend New Year’s Eve at former right-wing U.S. President Donald Trump’s Palm Beach resort/classified documents warehouse.\n\nOf course he would.", ">\n\nThey'll probably talk about an NFT for Jair", ">\n\nHuh? \nGeorge 'Jew-ish', grandparents barely escape holocaust, mommy died in 9/11 Santos?\nLauren 'Sarah Palin' Boebert?\nGazpacho MTG?\nRon 'dick' Johnson?" ]

[ "Outgoing right-wing Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro — who won’t concede his Oct. 30 re-election loss to leftist former President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva — is reportedly going to spend New Year’s Eve at former right-wing U.S. President Donald Trump’s Palm Beach resort/classified documents warehouse.\n\nOf course he would.", ">\n\nThey'll probably talk about an NFT for Jair", ">\n\nHuh? \nGeorge 'Jew-ish', grandparents barely escape holocaust, mommy died in 9/11 Santos?\nLauren 'Sarah Palin' Boebert?\nGazpacho MTG?\nRon 'dick' Johnson?", ">\n\nFTA \n\nIn the U.S., they mostly turned their backs on the three-ring snake-oil circus of election and climate-change denialism, cruel MAGA bigotry, abortion medievalism and feudal economics that Trump Republicans were sure would usher the GOP into congressional supermajorities. It instead left them with just a paper-thin edge in the House and a bigger deficit in the Senate." ]

[ "Outgoing right-wing Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro — who won’t concede his Oct. 30 re-election loss to leftist former President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva — is reportedly going to spend New Year’s Eve at former right-wing U.S. President Donald Trump’s Palm Beach resort/classified documents warehouse.\n\nOf course he would.", ">\n\nThey'll probably talk about an NFT for Jair", ">\n\nHuh? \nGeorge 'Jew-ish', grandparents barely escape holocaust, mommy died in 9/11 Santos?\nLauren 'Sarah Palin' Boebert?\nGazpacho MTG?\nRon 'dick' Johnson?", ">\n\nFTA \n\nIn the U.S., they mostly turned their backs on the three-ring snake-oil circus of election and climate-change denialism, cruel MAGA bigotry, abortion medievalism and feudal economics that Trump Republicans were sure would usher the GOP into congressional supermajorities. It instead left them with just a paper-thin edge in the House and a bigger deficit in the Senate.", ">\n\nThen the title should say, \"Americas mostly said no\"..." ]

[ "Outgoing right-wing Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro — who won’t concede his Oct. 30 re-election loss to leftist former President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva — is reportedly going to spend New Year’s Eve at former right-wing U.S. President Donald Trump’s Palm Beach resort/classified documents warehouse.\n\nOf course he would.", ">\n\nThey'll probably talk about an NFT for Jair", ">\n\nHuh? \nGeorge 'Jew-ish', grandparents barely escape holocaust, mommy died in 9/11 Santos?\nLauren 'Sarah Palin' Boebert?\nGazpacho MTG?\nRon 'dick' Johnson?", ">\n\nFTA \n\nIn the U.S., they mostly turned their backs on the three-ring snake-oil circus of election and climate-change denialism, cruel MAGA bigotry, abortion medievalism and feudal economics that Trump Republicans were sure would usher the GOP into congressional supermajorities. It instead left them with just a paper-thin edge in the House and a bigger deficit in the Senate.", ">\n\nThen the title should say, \"Americas mostly said no\"...", ">\n\n\nU.S. President Donald Trump’s Palm Beach resort/classified documents warehouse.\n\nMaybe you read Americans rather than Americas?" ]

[ "Outgoing right-wing Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro — who won’t concede his Oct. 30 re-election loss to leftist former President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva — is reportedly going to spend New Year’s Eve at former right-wing U.S. President Donald Trump’s Palm Beach resort/classified documents warehouse.\n\nOf course he would.", ">\n\nThey'll probably talk about an NFT for Jair", ">\n\nHuh? \nGeorge 'Jew-ish', grandparents barely escape holocaust, mommy died in 9/11 Santos?\nLauren 'Sarah Palin' Boebert?\nGazpacho MTG?\nRon 'dick' Johnson?", ">\n\nFTA \n\nIn the U.S., they mostly turned their backs on the three-ring snake-oil circus of election and climate-change denialism, cruel MAGA bigotry, abortion medievalism and feudal economics that Trump Republicans were sure would usher the GOP into congressional supermajorities. It instead left them with just a paper-thin edge in the House and a bigger deficit in the Senate.", ">\n\nThen the title should say, \"Americas mostly said no\"...", ">\n\n\nU.S. President Donald Trump’s Palm Beach resort/classified documents warehouse.\n\nMaybe you read Americans rather than Americas?", ">\n\nAmericas is what i see in the original title above." ]

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[ "Okay hold on; she publicly accused a random woman of murder, did so as a statement of fact, AND added on top of it that this random woman was sleeping with a student. I'm no lawyer but at this point she's gotta be trying to get sued on purpose LOL. wackos" ]