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[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?" ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?" ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it" ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"" ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition" ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era" ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)" ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!" ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house..." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?" ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81" ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?" ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️" ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\"." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it" ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B" ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?" ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?" ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?" ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it" ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"" ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition" ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era" ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them." ]

[ "Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)", ">\n\nMost of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.", ">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.", ">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.", ">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!", ">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.", ">\n\nWhile also an ass.", ">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...", ">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?", ">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81", ">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.", ">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.", ">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?", ">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.", ">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.", ">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.", ">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.", ">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.", ">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.", ">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.", ">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.", ">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.", ">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.", ">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.", ">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.", ">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".", ">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.", ">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.", ">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.", ">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.", ">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.", ">\n\nNo republicans in my family.", ">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it", ">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.", ">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.", ">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.", ">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.", ">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.", ">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.", ">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.", ">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.", ">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.", ">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.", ">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.", ">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B", ">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?", ">\n\nThese \"How to argue politics with your relatives\" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?", ">\n\nAt this point can we just make our own Hunter conspiracies? \nexample: Hunter and David hasslehoff are melting the polar ice caps with cheeseburgers while drunk.", ">\n\nI always wondered - email, on a computer. They're just talking text files with some weird headers, right? Or are these people bright enough to understand what a .pst is?", ">\n\nhe still should lay off the cam girls tho\nlol\nmy parents' tactic to winning their twisted views argument is to just flat out ignore any evidence that contradicts it", ">\n\nI heard he could face fuck you like an animal but that's neither here nor there.", ">\n\nPsssh, I stopped talking to those nut jobs in my family a while ago and have been happier for it lol.", ">\n\nWhatever they throw at me, I just respond with, \"Nah, Repubs are just obsessed with his dick pics.\"", ">\n\nThis article's pretty good, but it just plain completely fails in one aspect; it's written by Slate. \nIt doesn't matter how well written the article is or how well done their sourcing is or how knowledgeable their journalists are or how true their article is. You can't dispell Republican beliefs with sources from Slate. End of story. \nIt will be an interesting next 2 years. There will be endless investigations of Hunter. And it'll turn out the same way it'd turn out if anyone reading this was investigated for 2 years. There will be some evidence of guilt. Great evidence? Idk. Acceptable evidence? Maybe not. But there will be some inconsistency in testimony, some exaggeration of a fact, some stammer in a witness's voice. And that'll be all that's necessary.", ">\n\nYou can’t dispel Republican beliefs with anything. They would rather watch the whole thing burn than vote for the opposition", ">\n\nNah. I disagree with that completely and I whole-heartedly request that you dismiss that belief too. \nRepublicans are a goddamn motherfucking pain in the ass to argue with. It is absurd how they seem so vaccinated to argument. But no vaccine is perfect. I, myself, used to be substantially more conservative. But discussion with others changed my view. \nI know that it's difficult. \"Difficult\" isn't actually the right word. More like \"distressing,\" \"frustrating,\" \"mind-numbing,\" or \"hair-tearing.\" But attempts must be done. It's just plain necessary.\nI know that it's a hard ask and I know that it's ridiculous. But discussion about this matter, and related matters, is not a political desideratum; it's a required aspect of politics in the modern era", ">\n\nTake a break from politics when you are spending time with your family. Try to focus on things you agree on if politics must be brought up. \nEngaging in this sort of self-righteous “correct the record” behavior will not convince anyone and just confirm existing biases they have about liberals/democrats talking down to them.", ">\n\nA good way to not have democrats talk down to you* is not being a moron.\n\n(the general you)" ]

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[ "Could you use paragraphs to make it easier to read?" ]

[ "Could you use paragraphs to make it easier to read?", ">\n\nYes sorry about that I do have some learning disabilities that make it difficult for me the catch my grammar" ]

[ "Could you use paragraphs to make it easier to read?", ">\n\nYes sorry about that I do have some learning disabilities that make it difficult for me the catch my grammar", ">\n\nW" ]

[ "Could you use paragraphs to make it easier to read?", ">\n\nYes sorry about that I do have some learning disabilities that make it difficult for me the catch my grammar", ">\n\nW", ">\n\nGlad I’m not alone" ]

[ "Could you use paragraphs to make it easier to read?", ">\n\nYes sorry about that I do have some learning disabilities that make it difficult for me the catch my grammar", ">\n\nW", ">\n\nGlad I’m not alone", ">\n\nGlad you’re doing better. \nNot to hijack, but The worst part of a hospital in the US are the surprise bills (sometimes for multiple thousand dollars) that follow you home weeks/months after treatment. Even with insurance, I’ve gotten huge bills for crap United Healthcare decided they weren’t going to cover or only partially cover. And the more fucked up part is, if you call and debate it, they’ll inevitably lower the price or even write certain charges off. \nIt’s like some kind of corrupt car dealership… you can negotiate price like it’s a used car. So fucked up." ]

[ "Could you use paragraphs to make it easier to read?", ">\n\nYes sorry about that I do have some learning disabilities that make it difficult for me the catch my grammar", ">\n\nW", ">\n\nGlad I’m not alone", ">\n\nGlad you’re doing better. \nNot to hijack, but The worst part of a hospital in the US are the surprise bills (sometimes for multiple thousand dollars) that follow you home weeks/months after treatment. Even with insurance, I’ve gotten huge bills for crap United Healthcare decided they weren’t going to cover or only partially cover. And the more fucked up part is, if you call and debate it, they’ll inevitably lower the price or even write certain charges off. \nIt’s like some kind of corrupt car dealership… you can negotiate price like it’s a used car. So fucked up.", ">\n\nThank you and true I don’t live in the US but I herd the healthcare system is kind of messed up. I live in Brazil so we have a universal healthcare system here it depends on the area private healthcare is different however public healthcare is considered a human right" ]

[ "Could you use paragraphs to make it easier to read?", ">\n\nYes sorry about that I do have some learning disabilities that make it difficult for me the catch my grammar", ">\n\nW", ">\n\nGlad I’m not alone", ">\n\nGlad you’re doing better. \nNot to hijack, but The worst part of a hospital in the US are the surprise bills (sometimes for multiple thousand dollars) that follow you home weeks/months after treatment. Even with insurance, I’ve gotten huge bills for crap United Healthcare decided they weren’t going to cover or only partially cover. And the more fucked up part is, if you call and debate it, they’ll inevitably lower the price or even write certain charges off. \nIt’s like some kind of corrupt car dealership… you can negotiate price like it’s a used car. So fucked up.", ">\n\nThank you and true I don’t live in the US but I herd the healthcare system is kind of messed up. I live in Brazil so we have a universal healthcare system here it depends on the area private healthcare is different however public healthcare is considered a human right", ">\n\nNot living in the US makes all the difference in this unpopular opinion. I just had surgery. I was in the recovery room, trying to leave as fast as possible because I knew they were billing me by the 15 minute mark. 1,760. per 15 minutes." ]

[ "Could you use paragraphs to make it easier to read?", ">\n\nYes sorry about that I do have some learning disabilities that make it difficult for me the catch my grammar", ">\n\nW", ">\n\nGlad I’m not alone", ">\n\nGlad you’re doing better. \nNot to hijack, but The worst part of a hospital in the US are the surprise bills (sometimes for multiple thousand dollars) that follow you home weeks/months after treatment. Even with insurance, I’ve gotten huge bills for crap United Healthcare decided they weren’t going to cover or only partially cover. And the more fucked up part is, if you call and debate it, they’ll inevitably lower the price or even write certain charges off. \nIt’s like some kind of corrupt car dealership… you can negotiate price like it’s a used car. So fucked up.", ">\n\nThank you and true I don’t live in the US but I herd the healthcare system is kind of messed up. I live in Brazil so we have a universal healthcare system here it depends on the area private healthcare is different however public healthcare is considered a human right", ">\n\nNot living in the US makes all the difference in this unpopular opinion. I just had surgery. I was in the recovery room, trying to leave as fast as possible because I knew they were billing me by the 15 minute mark. 1,760. per 15 minutes.", ">\n\nDamn I wish America was nicer to its citizens like in Brazil well it depends on the area actually Brazil certainly has its down falls but the healthcare system is ok" ]

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[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nPopular consensus is that it will be the racoons. I can't say that I disagree." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nPopular consensus is that it will be the racoons. I can't say that I disagree.", ">\n\nHonestly I'd be down if they took over right now. They're pretty crafty" ]

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[ "Fiore, who just lost her bid to become Nevada’s treasurer, has never practiced law. Indeed, it’s rare to serve as a judge when one has not even attended law school. But more troubling is that Fiore has been the subject of at least one federal investigation and civil suit, has bragged about breaking the state law when she was a member of the state Assembly and previously suggested that law enforcement officers opt not to follow the law." ]

[ "Fiore, who just lost her bid to become Nevada’s treasurer, has never practiced law. Indeed, it’s rare to serve as a judge when one has not even attended law school. But more troubling is that Fiore has been the subject of at least one federal investigation and civil suit, has bragged about breaking the state law when she was a member of the state Assembly and previously suggested that law enforcement officers opt not to follow the law.", ">\n\nI've stood before a few Nevada judges and other officials... from my perspective this is only a little worse, not a lot worse." ]

[ "Fiore, who just lost her bid to become Nevada’s treasurer, has never practiced law. Indeed, it’s rare to serve as a judge when one has not even attended law school. But more troubling is that Fiore has been the subject of at least one federal investigation and civil suit, has bragged about breaking the state law when she was a member of the state Assembly and previously suggested that law enforcement officers opt not to follow the law.", ">\n\nI've stood before a few Nevada judges and other officials... from my perspective this is only a little worse, not a lot worse.", ">\n\nBe honest, now -- did you have a sneaking suspicion, before clicking on the article link, which party this person belonged to?" ]

[ "Fiore, who just lost her bid to become Nevada’s treasurer, has never practiced law. Indeed, it’s rare to serve as a judge when one has not even attended law school. But more troubling is that Fiore has been the subject of at least one federal investigation and civil suit, has bragged about breaking the state law when she was a member of the state Assembly and previously suggested that law enforcement officers opt not to follow the law.", ">\n\nI've stood before a few Nevada judges and other officials... from my perspective this is only a little worse, not a lot worse.", ">\n\nBe honest, now -- did you have a sneaking suspicion, before clicking on the article link, which party this person belonged to?", ">\n\nNot sneaking suspicion. Full confidence" ]

[ "Fiore, who just lost her bid to become Nevada’s treasurer, has never practiced law. Indeed, it’s rare to serve as a judge when one has not even attended law school. But more troubling is that Fiore has been the subject of at least one federal investigation and civil suit, has bragged about breaking the state law when she was a member of the state Assembly and previously suggested that law enforcement officers opt not to follow the law.", ">\n\nI've stood before a few Nevada judges and other officials... from my perspective this is only a little worse, not a lot worse.", ">\n\nBe honest, now -- did you have a sneaking suspicion, before clicking on the article link, which party this person belonged to?", ">\n\nNot sneaking suspicion. Full confidence", ">\n\nBetcha after five white claws and a Jagerbomb she turns into a Constitutional Law School Prof." ]

[ "Fiore, who just lost her bid to become Nevada’s treasurer, has never practiced law. Indeed, it’s rare to serve as a judge when one has not even attended law school. But more troubling is that Fiore has been the subject of at least one federal investigation and civil suit, has bragged about breaking the state law when she was a member of the state Assembly and previously suggested that law enforcement officers opt not to follow the law.", ">\n\nI've stood before a few Nevada judges and other officials... from my perspective this is only a little worse, not a lot worse.", ">\n\nBe honest, now -- did you have a sneaking suspicion, before clicking on the article link, which party this person belonged to?", ">\n\nNot sneaking suspicion. Full confidence", ">\n\nBetcha after five white claws and a Jagerbomb she turns into a Constitutional Law School Prof.", ">\n\nProf-ish" ]

[ "Fiore, who just lost her bid to become Nevada’s treasurer, has never practiced law. Indeed, it’s rare to serve as a judge when one has not even attended law school. But more troubling is that Fiore has been the subject of at least one federal investigation and civil suit, has bragged about breaking the state law when she was a member of the state Assembly and previously suggested that law enforcement officers opt not to follow the law.", ">\n\nI've stood before a few Nevada judges and other officials... from my perspective this is only a little worse, not a lot worse.", ">\n\nBe honest, now -- did you have a sneaking suspicion, before clicking on the article link, which party this person belonged to?", ">\n\nNot sneaking suspicion. Full confidence", ">\n\nBetcha after five white claws and a Jagerbomb she turns into a Constitutional Law School Prof.", ">\n\nProf-ish", ">\n\nI said I was a prof-ish." ]

[ "Fiore, who just lost her bid to become Nevada’s treasurer, has never practiced law. Indeed, it’s rare to serve as a judge when one has not even attended law school. But more troubling is that Fiore has been the subject of at least one federal investigation and civil suit, has bragged about breaking the state law when she was a member of the state Assembly and previously suggested that law enforcement officers opt not to follow the law.", ">\n\nI've stood before a few Nevada judges and other officials... from my perspective this is only a little worse, not a lot worse.", ">\n\nBe honest, now -- did you have a sneaking suspicion, before clicking on the article link, which party this person belonged to?", ">\n\nNot sneaking suspicion. Full confidence", ">\n\nBetcha after five white claws and a Jagerbomb she turns into a Constitutional Law School Prof.", ">\n\nProf-ish", ">\n\nI said I was a prof-ish.", ">\n\nAccording to my sources, she practiced law at Santos, Fiore, & Froddsters." ]

[ "Fiore, who just lost her bid to become Nevada’s treasurer, has never practiced law. Indeed, it’s rare to serve as a judge when one has not even attended law school. But more troubling is that Fiore has been the subject of at least one federal investigation and civil suit, has bragged about breaking the state law when she was a member of the state Assembly and previously suggested that law enforcement officers opt not to follow the law.", ">\n\nI've stood before a few Nevada judges and other officials... from my perspective this is only a little worse, not a lot worse.", ">\n\nBe honest, now -- did you have a sneaking suspicion, before clicking on the article link, which party this person belonged to?", ">\n\nNot sneaking suspicion. Full confidence", ">\n\nBetcha after five white claws and a Jagerbomb she turns into a Constitutional Law School Prof.", ">\n\nProf-ish", ">\n\nI said I was a prof-ish.", ">\n\nAccording to my sources, she practiced law at Santos, Fiore, & Froddsters.", ">\n\nWith offices at Four Seasons Total Landscaping" ]

[ "Fiore, who just lost her bid to become Nevada’s treasurer, has never practiced law. Indeed, it’s rare to serve as a judge when one has not even attended law school. But more troubling is that Fiore has been the subject of at least one federal investigation and civil suit, has bragged about breaking the state law when she was a member of the state Assembly and previously suggested that law enforcement officers opt not to follow the law.", ">\n\nI've stood before a few Nevada judges and other officials... from my perspective this is only a little worse, not a lot worse.", ">\n\nBe honest, now -- did you have a sneaking suspicion, before clicking on the article link, which party this person belonged to?", ">\n\nNot sneaking suspicion. Full confidence", ">\n\nBetcha after five white claws and a Jagerbomb she turns into a Constitutional Law School Prof.", ">\n\nProf-ish", ">\n\nI said I was a prof-ish.", ">\n\nAccording to my sources, she practiced law at Santos, Fiore, & Froddsters.", ">\n\nWith offices at Four Seasons Total Landscaping", ">\n\nNye County seems like a shit hole just based on the map location. Enjoy your new county judge, idiot Republicans." ]

[ "Fiore, who just lost her bid to become Nevada’s treasurer, has never practiced law. Indeed, it’s rare to serve as a judge when one has not even attended law school. But more troubling is that Fiore has been the subject of at least one federal investigation and civil suit, has bragged about breaking the state law when she was a member of the state Assembly and previously suggested that law enforcement officers opt not to follow the law.", ">\n\nI've stood before a few Nevada judges and other officials... from my perspective this is only a little worse, not a lot worse.", ">\n\nBe honest, now -- did you have a sneaking suspicion, before clicking on the article link, which party this person belonged to?", ">\n\nNot sneaking suspicion. Full confidence", ">\n\nBetcha after five white claws and a Jagerbomb she turns into a Constitutional Law School Prof.", ">\n\nProf-ish", ">\n\nI said I was a prof-ish.", ">\n\nAccording to my sources, she practiced law at Santos, Fiore, & Froddsters.", ">\n\nWith offices at Four Seasons Total Landscaping", ">\n\nNye County seems like a shit hole just based on the map location. Enjoy your new county judge, idiot Republicans.", ">\n\nI’ve spent a good amount of time there working on a long term doc. There are good people there and the landscape is stunning; wild horses, geological marvels, a bird sanctuary, ghost towns. Their politics need work, I grant you, but the people are lovely and hospitable and the area is gorgeous.\nGot hit worse than most by COVID due to their emergency service funding coming in large part from the brothels." ]

[ "Fiore, who just lost her bid to become Nevada’s treasurer, has never practiced law. Indeed, it’s rare to serve as a judge when one has not even attended law school. But more troubling is that Fiore has been the subject of at least one federal investigation and civil suit, has bragged about breaking the state law when she was a member of the state Assembly and previously suggested that law enforcement officers opt not to follow the law.", ">\n\nI've stood before a few Nevada judges and other officials... from my perspective this is only a little worse, not a lot worse.", ">\n\nBe honest, now -- did you have a sneaking suspicion, before clicking on the article link, which party this person belonged to?", ">\n\nNot sneaking suspicion. Full confidence", ">\n\nBetcha after five white claws and a Jagerbomb she turns into a Constitutional Law School Prof.", ">\n\nProf-ish", ">\n\nI said I was a prof-ish.", ">\n\nAccording to my sources, she practiced law at Santos, Fiore, & Froddsters.", ">\n\nWith offices at Four Seasons Total Landscaping", ">\n\nNye County seems like a shit hole just based on the map location. Enjoy your new county judge, idiot Republicans.", ">\n\nI’ve spent a good amount of time there working on a long term doc. There are good people there and the landscape is stunning; wild horses, geological marvels, a bird sanctuary, ghost towns. Their politics need work, I grant you, but the people are lovely and hospitable and the area is gorgeous.\nGot hit worse than most by COVID due to their emergency service funding coming in large part from the brothels.", ">\n\nThe good and lovely people are the ones who keep voting for the horrible politicians." ]

[ "Fiore, who just lost her bid to become Nevada’s treasurer, has never practiced law. Indeed, it’s rare to serve as a judge when one has not even attended law school. But more troubling is that Fiore has been the subject of at least one federal investigation and civil suit, has bragged about breaking the state law when she was a member of the state Assembly and previously suggested that law enforcement officers opt not to follow the law.", ">\n\nI've stood before a few Nevada judges and other officials... from my perspective this is only a little worse, not a lot worse.", ">\n\nBe honest, now -- did you have a sneaking suspicion, before clicking on the article link, which party this person belonged to?", ">\n\nNot sneaking suspicion. Full confidence", ">\n\nBetcha after five white claws and a Jagerbomb she turns into a Constitutional Law School Prof.", ">\n\nProf-ish", ">\n\nI said I was a prof-ish.", ">\n\nAccording to my sources, she practiced law at Santos, Fiore, & Froddsters.", ">\n\nWith offices at Four Seasons Total Landscaping", ">\n\nNye County seems like a shit hole just based on the map location. Enjoy your new county judge, idiot Republicans.", ">\n\nI’ve spent a good amount of time there working on a long term doc. There are good people there and the landscape is stunning; wild horses, geological marvels, a bird sanctuary, ghost towns. Their politics need work, I grant you, but the people are lovely and hospitable and the area is gorgeous.\nGot hit worse than most by COVID due to their emergency service funding coming in large part from the brothels.", ">\n\nThe good and lovely people are the ones who keep voting for the horrible politicians.", ">\n\nBecause of a long concerted effort to create divisions in the country. Rural vs. Urban. Lower middle class vs. middle middle class.\nDon’t hate the player, hate the game." ]

[ "Fiore, who just lost her bid to become Nevada’s treasurer, has never practiced law. Indeed, it’s rare to serve as a judge when one has not even attended law school. But more troubling is that Fiore has been the subject of at least one federal investigation and civil suit, has bragged about breaking the state law when she was a member of the state Assembly and previously suggested that law enforcement officers opt not to follow the law.", ">\n\nI've stood before a few Nevada judges and other officials... from my perspective this is only a little worse, not a lot worse.", ">\n\nBe honest, now -- did you have a sneaking suspicion, before clicking on the article link, which party this person belonged to?", ">\n\nNot sneaking suspicion. Full confidence", ">\n\nBetcha after five white claws and a Jagerbomb she turns into a Constitutional Law School Prof.", ">\n\nProf-ish", ">\n\nI said I was a prof-ish.", ">\n\nAccording to my sources, she practiced law at Santos, Fiore, & Froddsters.", ">\n\nWith offices at Four Seasons Total Landscaping", ">\n\nNye County seems like a shit hole just based on the map location. Enjoy your new county judge, idiot Republicans.", ">\n\nI’ve spent a good amount of time there working on a long term doc. There are good people there and the landscape is stunning; wild horses, geological marvels, a bird sanctuary, ghost towns. Their politics need work, I grant you, but the people are lovely and hospitable and the area is gorgeous.\nGot hit worse than most by COVID due to their emergency service funding coming in large part from the brothels.", ">\n\nThe good and lovely people are the ones who keep voting for the horrible politicians.", ">\n\nBecause of a long concerted effort to create divisions in the country. Rural vs. Urban. Lower middle class vs. middle middle class.\nDon’t hate the player, hate the game.", ">\n\nShe sounds like a dumpster fire." ]

[ "Fiore, who just lost her bid to become Nevada’s treasurer, has never practiced law. Indeed, it’s rare to serve as a judge when one has not even attended law school. But more troubling is that Fiore has been the subject of at least one federal investigation and civil suit, has bragged about breaking the state law when she was a member of the state Assembly and previously suggested that law enforcement officers opt not to follow the law.", ">\n\nI've stood before a few Nevada judges and other officials... from my perspective this is only a little worse, not a lot worse.", ">\n\nBe honest, now -- did you have a sneaking suspicion, before clicking on the article link, which party this person belonged to?", ">\n\nNot sneaking suspicion. Full confidence", ">\n\nBetcha after five white claws and a Jagerbomb she turns into a Constitutional Law School Prof.", ">\n\nProf-ish", ">\n\nI said I was a prof-ish.", ">\n\nAccording to my sources, she practiced law at Santos, Fiore, & Froddsters.", ">\n\nWith offices at Four Seasons Total Landscaping", ">\n\nNye County seems like a shit hole just based on the map location. Enjoy your new county judge, idiot Republicans.", ">\n\nI’ve spent a good amount of time there working on a long term doc. There are good people there and the landscape is stunning; wild horses, geological marvels, a bird sanctuary, ghost towns. Their politics need work, I grant you, but the people are lovely and hospitable and the area is gorgeous.\nGot hit worse than most by COVID due to their emergency service funding coming in large part from the brothels.", ">\n\nThe good and lovely people are the ones who keep voting for the horrible politicians.", ">\n\nBecause of a long concerted effort to create divisions in the country. Rural vs. Urban. Lower middle class vs. middle middle class.\nDon’t hate the player, hate the game.", ">\n\nShe sounds like a dumpster fire.", ">\n\nI foresee several lawsuits for U.S.C. 1983 violations, and when the county is sued into oblivion for violating civil rights, then they will consider getting rid of her. The county won't mind the civil rights violations, but they won't be able to afford to keep her." ]

[ "Fiore, who just lost her bid to become Nevada’s treasurer, has never practiced law. Indeed, it’s rare to serve as a judge when one has not even attended law school. But more troubling is that Fiore has been the subject of at least one federal investigation and civil suit, has bragged about breaking the state law when she was a member of the state Assembly and previously suggested that law enforcement officers opt not to follow the law.", ">\n\nI've stood before a few Nevada judges and other officials... from my perspective this is only a little worse, not a lot worse.", ">\n\nBe honest, now -- did you have a sneaking suspicion, before clicking on the article link, which party this person belonged to?", ">\n\nNot sneaking suspicion. Full confidence", ">\n\nBetcha after five white claws and a Jagerbomb she turns into a Constitutional Law School Prof.", ">\n\nProf-ish", ">\n\nI said I was a prof-ish.", ">\n\nAccording to my sources, she practiced law at Santos, Fiore, & Froddsters.", ">\n\nWith offices at Four Seasons Total Landscaping", ">\n\nNye County seems like a shit hole just based on the map location. Enjoy your new county judge, idiot Republicans.", ">\n\nI’ve spent a good amount of time there working on a long term doc. There are good people there and the landscape is stunning; wild horses, geological marvels, a bird sanctuary, ghost towns. Their politics need work, I grant you, but the people are lovely and hospitable and the area is gorgeous.\nGot hit worse than most by COVID due to their emergency service funding coming in large part from the brothels.", ">\n\nThe good and lovely people are the ones who keep voting for the horrible politicians.", ">\n\nBecause of a long concerted effort to create divisions in the country. Rural vs. Urban. Lower middle class vs. middle middle class.\nDon’t hate the player, hate the game.", ">\n\nShe sounds like a dumpster fire.", ">\n\nI foresee several lawsuits for U.S.C. 1983 violations, and when the county is sued into oblivion for violating civil rights, then they will consider getting rid of her. The county won't mind the civil rights violations, but they won't be able to afford to keep her.", ">\n\nthis just means every single case she decides will get kicked to the appellate court, then kicked back again to get redecided. a judicial circlejerk" ]