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I honestly don’t know much about Elvis, most of what I know comes from Uncle Jesse on Full House. I’ll go into the movie with an open mind.
And I just read that Lisa Marie unfortunately passed. Kind of going to feel weird watching the movie tonight… May she rest in peace. | [
"People magazine is reporting that she has died.",
">\n\nJust saw it on the news at the bar, reporting dead. Sad how sometimes history repeats itself in odd ways",
">\n\nI wouldn't call it \"odd\", considering heart issues can be genetic, she has a history of multiple drug abuse, has been dealing with grief for the past two years, and has shown signs of being physically weak in the last months.\nI get what you're saying, but this doesn't come off like some horribly odd tragedy, it comes off like a horribly preventable tragedy.",
">\n\nHow does this come off as “preventable”?",
">\n\nDrugs are bad mmmkay",
">\n\nPriscilla has made a statement saying Lisa Marie passed. RIP.",
">\n\nFirst her husband, grandson, and now her daughter. No one deserves to lose that many people in their life.",
">\n\nIf you live long enough, you're going to lose a lot of loved ones. Priscilla is 77.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI highly doubt he was without oxygen for 9 minutes considering how many medical personnel were there. Cpr was started within 2-3 minutes and we give oxygen and breaths during cpr.",
">\n\nRight, but he was still getting oxygen in that time (forced into him by medical responders using a bvm - bag valve mask)",
">\n\nThis. From what I've read, so taking with a grain of salt, the body generally has a couple minutes worth of oxygenated blood when these cardiac events happen, so the amount of time Damar was without oxygen/blood circulation would be very minimal. He was also getting about the best emergency medical attention an American could get, with two dozen+ medical professionals on-site.",
">\n\nI stumbled on this story because I just finished the Elvis movie last night and wanted to see how she was doing 😔",
">\n\nhow was the movie? I've been meaning to see it.",
">\n\nIt's... Ok.\nThe guy who plays Elvis is awesome (and was very funny/charming on a recent SNL episode.)\nBut then in strolls Tom Hanks looking and acting like more a cartoon character than he did in Polar Express. Hanks performance doesn't really work, and it's a bit of a mess. It also suffers from the Baz Luhrman problem where he inserts hip-hop in to eras that don't call for it. There's some really weird remixing of Elvis songs going on.\nOverall I'd give it a 2.5 out of 5.",
">\n\nI imagine Hanks' performance can also be due to Luhrmann's direction. Moulin Rouge is actually in my top 5 favorite movies (hush) and most of the characters in it are as you described Hanks as being. And I think it works fine in Moulin Rouge, but it sounds bad for a biopic. Still want to see it, though.",
">\n\nIt's a good film and there was nothing wrong with Hanks' performance.",
">\n\nGood to know. I'm a bit of a Luhrmann completionist, but I fully recognize his faults and missteps (Australia was haaaaard to sit through) and it was easy to picture Hanks with cartooney vibes. I think I'll actually watch it tonight, it keeps falling off my radar.",
">\n\nI think people don't realize that the person Hanks portrays in it was pretty cartoonish in real life.\nI think it was spot on representative of what the Colonel was actually like.\nI'm also a huge fan of Luhrmann so I suppose I could also be slightly biased but the hate it's getting here is pretty silly."
] |
>
Well, fuck. that's not good. | [
"People magazine is reporting that she has died.",
">\n\nJust saw it on the news at the bar, reporting dead. Sad how sometimes history repeats itself in odd ways",
">\n\nI wouldn't call it \"odd\", considering heart issues can be genetic, she has a history of multiple drug abuse, has been dealing with grief for the past two years, and has shown signs of being physically weak in the last months.\nI get what you're saying, but this doesn't come off like some horribly odd tragedy, it comes off like a horribly preventable tragedy.",
">\n\nHow does this come off as “preventable”?",
">\n\nDrugs are bad mmmkay",
">\n\nPriscilla has made a statement saying Lisa Marie passed. RIP.",
">\n\nFirst her husband, grandson, and now her daughter. No one deserves to lose that many people in their life.",
">\n\nIf you live long enough, you're going to lose a lot of loved ones. Priscilla is 77.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI highly doubt he was without oxygen for 9 minutes considering how many medical personnel were there. Cpr was started within 2-3 minutes and we give oxygen and breaths during cpr.",
">\n\nRight, but he was still getting oxygen in that time (forced into him by medical responders using a bvm - bag valve mask)",
">\n\nThis. From what I've read, so taking with a grain of salt, the body generally has a couple minutes worth of oxygenated blood when these cardiac events happen, so the amount of time Damar was without oxygen/blood circulation would be very minimal. He was also getting about the best emergency medical attention an American could get, with two dozen+ medical professionals on-site.",
">\n\nI stumbled on this story because I just finished the Elvis movie last night and wanted to see how she was doing 😔",
">\n\nhow was the movie? I've been meaning to see it.",
">\n\nIt's... Ok.\nThe guy who plays Elvis is awesome (and was very funny/charming on a recent SNL episode.)\nBut then in strolls Tom Hanks looking and acting like more a cartoon character than he did in Polar Express. Hanks performance doesn't really work, and it's a bit of a mess. It also suffers from the Baz Luhrman problem where he inserts hip-hop in to eras that don't call for it. There's some really weird remixing of Elvis songs going on.\nOverall I'd give it a 2.5 out of 5.",
">\n\nI imagine Hanks' performance can also be due to Luhrmann's direction. Moulin Rouge is actually in my top 5 favorite movies (hush) and most of the characters in it are as you described Hanks as being. And I think it works fine in Moulin Rouge, but it sounds bad for a biopic. Still want to see it, though.",
">\n\nIt's a good film and there was nothing wrong with Hanks' performance.",
">\n\nGood to know. I'm a bit of a Luhrmann completionist, but I fully recognize his faults and missteps (Australia was haaaaard to sit through) and it was easy to picture Hanks with cartooney vibes. I think I'll actually watch it tonight, it keeps falling off my radar.",
">\n\nI think people don't realize that the person Hanks portrays in it was pretty cartoonish in real life.\nI think it was spot on representative of what the Colonel was actually like.\nI'm also a huge fan of Luhrmann so I suppose I could also be slightly biased but the hate it's getting here is pretty silly.",
">\n\nI honestly don’t know much about Elvis, most of what I know comes from Uncle Jesse on Full House. I’ll go into the movie with an open mind.\nAnd I just read that Lisa Marie unfortunately passed. Kind of going to feel weird watching the movie tonight… May she rest in peace."
] |
>
Pricilla has just announced that Lisa Marie has passed away. | [
"People magazine is reporting that she has died.",
">\n\nJust saw it on the news at the bar, reporting dead. Sad how sometimes history repeats itself in odd ways",
">\n\nI wouldn't call it \"odd\", considering heart issues can be genetic, she has a history of multiple drug abuse, has been dealing with grief for the past two years, and has shown signs of being physically weak in the last months.\nI get what you're saying, but this doesn't come off like some horribly odd tragedy, it comes off like a horribly preventable tragedy.",
">\n\nHow does this come off as “preventable”?",
">\n\nDrugs are bad mmmkay",
">\n\nPriscilla has made a statement saying Lisa Marie passed. RIP.",
">\n\nFirst her husband, grandson, and now her daughter. No one deserves to lose that many people in their life.",
">\n\nIf you live long enough, you're going to lose a lot of loved ones. Priscilla is 77.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI highly doubt he was without oxygen for 9 minutes considering how many medical personnel were there. Cpr was started within 2-3 minutes and we give oxygen and breaths during cpr.",
">\n\nRight, but he was still getting oxygen in that time (forced into him by medical responders using a bvm - bag valve mask)",
">\n\nThis. From what I've read, so taking with a grain of salt, the body generally has a couple minutes worth of oxygenated blood when these cardiac events happen, so the amount of time Damar was without oxygen/blood circulation would be very minimal. He was also getting about the best emergency medical attention an American could get, with two dozen+ medical professionals on-site.",
">\n\nI stumbled on this story because I just finished the Elvis movie last night and wanted to see how she was doing 😔",
">\n\nhow was the movie? I've been meaning to see it.",
">\n\nIt's... Ok.\nThe guy who plays Elvis is awesome (and was very funny/charming on a recent SNL episode.)\nBut then in strolls Tom Hanks looking and acting like more a cartoon character than he did in Polar Express. Hanks performance doesn't really work, and it's a bit of a mess. It also suffers from the Baz Luhrman problem where he inserts hip-hop in to eras that don't call for it. There's some really weird remixing of Elvis songs going on.\nOverall I'd give it a 2.5 out of 5.",
">\n\nI imagine Hanks' performance can also be due to Luhrmann's direction. Moulin Rouge is actually in my top 5 favorite movies (hush) and most of the characters in it are as you described Hanks as being. And I think it works fine in Moulin Rouge, but it sounds bad for a biopic. Still want to see it, though.",
">\n\nIt's a good film and there was nothing wrong with Hanks' performance.",
">\n\nGood to know. I'm a bit of a Luhrmann completionist, but I fully recognize his faults and missteps (Australia was haaaaard to sit through) and it was easy to picture Hanks with cartooney vibes. I think I'll actually watch it tonight, it keeps falling off my radar.",
">\n\nI think people don't realize that the person Hanks portrays in it was pretty cartoonish in real life.\nI think it was spot on representative of what the Colonel was actually like.\nI'm also a huge fan of Luhrmann so I suppose I could also be slightly biased but the hate it's getting here is pretty silly.",
">\n\nI honestly don’t know much about Elvis, most of what I know comes from Uncle Jesse on Full House. I’ll go into the movie with an open mind.\nAnd I just read that Lisa Marie unfortunately passed. Kind of going to feel weird watching the movie tonight… May she rest in peace.",
">\n\nWell, fuck. that's not good."
] |
>
it was not good | [
"People magazine is reporting that she has died.",
">\n\nJust saw it on the news at the bar, reporting dead. Sad how sometimes history repeats itself in odd ways",
">\n\nI wouldn't call it \"odd\", considering heart issues can be genetic, she has a history of multiple drug abuse, has been dealing with grief for the past two years, and has shown signs of being physically weak in the last months.\nI get what you're saying, but this doesn't come off like some horribly odd tragedy, it comes off like a horribly preventable tragedy.",
">\n\nHow does this come off as “preventable”?",
">\n\nDrugs are bad mmmkay",
">\n\nPriscilla has made a statement saying Lisa Marie passed. RIP.",
">\n\nFirst her husband, grandson, and now her daughter. No one deserves to lose that many people in their life.",
">\n\nIf you live long enough, you're going to lose a lot of loved ones. Priscilla is 77.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI highly doubt he was without oxygen for 9 minutes considering how many medical personnel were there. Cpr was started within 2-3 minutes and we give oxygen and breaths during cpr.",
">\n\nRight, but he was still getting oxygen in that time (forced into him by medical responders using a bvm - bag valve mask)",
">\n\nThis. From what I've read, so taking with a grain of salt, the body generally has a couple minutes worth of oxygenated blood when these cardiac events happen, so the amount of time Damar was without oxygen/blood circulation would be very minimal. He was also getting about the best emergency medical attention an American could get, with two dozen+ medical professionals on-site.",
">\n\nI stumbled on this story because I just finished the Elvis movie last night and wanted to see how she was doing 😔",
">\n\nhow was the movie? I've been meaning to see it.",
">\n\nIt's... Ok.\nThe guy who plays Elvis is awesome (and was very funny/charming on a recent SNL episode.)\nBut then in strolls Tom Hanks looking and acting like more a cartoon character than he did in Polar Express. Hanks performance doesn't really work, and it's a bit of a mess. It also suffers from the Baz Luhrman problem where he inserts hip-hop in to eras that don't call for it. There's some really weird remixing of Elvis songs going on.\nOverall I'd give it a 2.5 out of 5.",
">\n\nI imagine Hanks' performance can also be due to Luhrmann's direction. Moulin Rouge is actually in my top 5 favorite movies (hush) and most of the characters in it are as you described Hanks as being. And I think it works fine in Moulin Rouge, but it sounds bad for a biopic. Still want to see it, though.",
">\n\nIt's a good film and there was nothing wrong with Hanks' performance.",
">\n\nGood to know. I'm a bit of a Luhrmann completionist, but I fully recognize his faults and missteps (Australia was haaaaard to sit through) and it was easy to picture Hanks with cartooney vibes. I think I'll actually watch it tonight, it keeps falling off my radar.",
">\n\nI think people don't realize that the person Hanks portrays in it was pretty cartoonish in real life.\nI think it was spot on representative of what the Colonel was actually like.\nI'm also a huge fan of Luhrmann so I suppose I could also be slightly biased but the hate it's getting here is pretty silly.",
">\n\nI honestly don’t know much about Elvis, most of what I know comes from Uncle Jesse on Full House. I’ll go into the movie with an open mind.\nAnd I just read that Lisa Marie unfortunately passed. Kind of going to feel weird watching the movie tonight… May she rest in peace.",
">\n\nWell, fuck. that's not good.",
">\n\nPricilla has just announced that Lisa Marie has passed away."
] |
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I was sad reading this. Her life hasn't been easy and she seems physically unwell in the interview at the Golden Globes - (referring to the part when she asks the gentleman she is with if she can hold his arm). | [
"People magazine is reporting that she has died.",
">\n\nJust saw it on the news at the bar, reporting dead. Sad how sometimes history repeats itself in odd ways",
">\n\nI wouldn't call it \"odd\", considering heart issues can be genetic, she has a history of multiple drug abuse, has been dealing with grief for the past two years, and has shown signs of being physically weak in the last months.\nI get what you're saying, but this doesn't come off like some horribly odd tragedy, it comes off like a horribly preventable tragedy.",
">\n\nHow does this come off as “preventable”?",
">\n\nDrugs are bad mmmkay",
">\n\nPriscilla has made a statement saying Lisa Marie passed. RIP.",
">\n\nFirst her husband, grandson, and now her daughter. No one deserves to lose that many people in their life.",
">\n\nIf you live long enough, you're going to lose a lot of loved ones. Priscilla is 77.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI highly doubt he was without oxygen for 9 minutes considering how many medical personnel were there. Cpr was started within 2-3 minutes and we give oxygen and breaths during cpr.",
">\n\nRight, but he was still getting oxygen in that time (forced into him by medical responders using a bvm - bag valve mask)",
">\n\nThis. From what I've read, so taking with a grain of salt, the body generally has a couple minutes worth of oxygenated blood when these cardiac events happen, so the amount of time Damar was without oxygen/blood circulation would be very minimal. He was also getting about the best emergency medical attention an American could get, with two dozen+ medical professionals on-site.",
">\n\nI stumbled on this story because I just finished the Elvis movie last night and wanted to see how she was doing 😔",
">\n\nhow was the movie? I've been meaning to see it.",
">\n\nIt's... Ok.\nThe guy who plays Elvis is awesome (and was very funny/charming on a recent SNL episode.)\nBut then in strolls Tom Hanks looking and acting like more a cartoon character than he did in Polar Express. Hanks performance doesn't really work, and it's a bit of a mess. It also suffers from the Baz Luhrman problem where he inserts hip-hop in to eras that don't call for it. There's some really weird remixing of Elvis songs going on.\nOverall I'd give it a 2.5 out of 5.",
">\n\nI imagine Hanks' performance can also be due to Luhrmann's direction. Moulin Rouge is actually in my top 5 favorite movies (hush) and most of the characters in it are as you described Hanks as being. And I think it works fine in Moulin Rouge, but it sounds bad for a biopic. Still want to see it, though.",
">\n\nIt's a good film and there was nothing wrong with Hanks' performance.",
">\n\nGood to know. I'm a bit of a Luhrmann completionist, but I fully recognize his faults and missteps (Australia was haaaaard to sit through) and it was easy to picture Hanks with cartooney vibes. I think I'll actually watch it tonight, it keeps falling off my radar.",
">\n\nI think people don't realize that the person Hanks portrays in it was pretty cartoonish in real life.\nI think it was spot on representative of what the Colonel was actually like.\nI'm also a huge fan of Luhrmann so I suppose I could also be slightly biased but the hate it's getting here is pretty silly.",
">\n\nI honestly don’t know much about Elvis, most of what I know comes from Uncle Jesse on Full House. I’ll go into the movie with an open mind.\nAnd I just read that Lisa Marie unfortunately passed. Kind of going to feel weird watching the movie tonight… May she rest in peace.",
">\n\nWell, fuck. that's not good.",
">\n\nPricilla has just announced that Lisa Marie has passed away.",
">\n\nit was not good"
] |
>
She didn’t look to good in this interview too | [
"People magazine is reporting that she has died.",
">\n\nJust saw it on the news at the bar, reporting dead. Sad how sometimes history repeats itself in odd ways",
">\n\nI wouldn't call it \"odd\", considering heart issues can be genetic, she has a history of multiple drug abuse, has been dealing with grief for the past two years, and has shown signs of being physically weak in the last months.\nI get what you're saying, but this doesn't come off like some horribly odd tragedy, it comes off like a horribly preventable tragedy.",
">\n\nHow does this come off as “preventable”?",
">\n\nDrugs are bad mmmkay",
">\n\nPriscilla has made a statement saying Lisa Marie passed. RIP.",
">\n\nFirst her husband, grandson, and now her daughter. No one deserves to lose that many people in their life.",
">\n\nIf you live long enough, you're going to lose a lot of loved ones. Priscilla is 77.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI highly doubt he was without oxygen for 9 minutes considering how many medical personnel were there. Cpr was started within 2-3 minutes and we give oxygen and breaths during cpr.",
">\n\nRight, but he was still getting oxygen in that time (forced into him by medical responders using a bvm - bag valve mask)",
">\n\nThis. From what I've read, so taking with a grain of salt, the body generally has a couple minutes worth of oxygenated blood when these cardiac events happen, so the amount of time Damar was without oxygen/blood circulation would be very minimal. He was also getting about the best emergency medical attention an American could get, with two dozen+ medical professionals on-site.",
">\n\nI stumbled on this story because I just finished the Elvis movie last night and wanted to see how she was doing 😔",
">\n\nhow was the movie? I've been meaning to see it.",
">\n\nIt's... Ok.\nThe guy who plays Elvis is awesome (and was very funny/charming on a recent SNL episode.)\nBut then in strolls Tom Hanks looking and acting like more a cartoon character than he did in Polar Express. Hanks performance doesn't really work, and it's a bit of a mess. It also suffers from the Baz Luhrman problem where he inserts hip-hop in to eras that don't call for it. There's some really weird remixing of Elvis songs going on.\nOverall I'd give it a 2.5 out of 5.",
">\n\nI imagine Hanks' performance can also be due to Luhrmann's direction. Moulin Rouge is actually in my top 5 favorite movies (hush) and most of the characters in it are as you described Hanks as being. And I think it works fine in Moulin Rouge, but it sounds bad for a biopic. Still want to see it, though.",
">\n\nIt's a good film and there was nothing wrong with Hanks' performance.",
">\n\nGood to know. I'm a bit of a Luhrmann completionist, but I fully recognize his faults and missteps (Australia was haaaaard to sit through) and it was easy to picture Hanks with cartooney vibes. I think I'll actually watch it tonight, it keeps falling off my radar.",
">\n\nI think people don't realize that the person Hanks portrays in it was pretty cartoonish in real life.\nI think it was spot on representative of what the Colonel was actually like.\nI'm also a huge fan of Luhrmann so I suppose I could also be slightly biased but the hate it's getting here is pretty silly.",
">\n\nI honestly don’t know much about Elvis, most of what I know comes from Uncle Jesse on Full House. I’ll go into the movie with an open mind.\nAnd I just read that Lisa Marie unfortunately passed. Kind of going to feel weird watching the movie tonight… May she rest in peace.",
">\n\nWell, fuck. that's not good.",
">\n\nPricilla has just announced that Lisa Marie has passed away.",
">\n\nit was not good",
">\n\nI was sad reading this. Her life hasn't been easy and she seems physically unwell in the interview at the Golden Globes - (referring to the part when she asks the gentleman she is with if she can hold his arm)."
] |
>
Pulling for her. She’s had a harder life than many believe. Never got real privacy, battled her demons in-front of the world who never will stop comparing her to her megastar father. Bless her
EDIT: saddened to read of her untimely passing this evening. May she finally have the peace she so desperately longed for. ❤️ Love to Priscilla Her heart must be in pieces. | [
"People magazine is reporting that she has died.",
">\n\nJust saw it on the news at the bar, reporting dead. Sad how sometimes history repeats itself in odd ways",
">\n\nI wouldn't call it \"odd\", considering heart issues can be genetic, she has a history of multiple drug abuse, has been dealing with grief for the past two years, and has shown signs of being physically weak in the last months.\nI get what you're saying, but this doesn't come off like some horribly odd tragedy, it comes off like a horribly preventable tragedy.",
">\n\nHow does this come off as “preventable”?",
">\n\nDrugs are bad mmmkay",
">\n\nPriscilla has made a statement saying Lisa Marie passed. RIP.",
">\n\nFirst her husband, grandson, and now her daughter. No one deserves to lose that many people in their life.",
">\n\nIf you live long enough, you're going to lose a lot of loved ones. Priscilla is 77.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI highly doubt he was without oxygen for 9 minutes considering how many medical personnel were there. Cpr was started within 2-3 minutes and we give oxygen and breaths during cpr.",
">\n\nRight, but he was still getting oxygen in that time (forced into him by medical responders using a bvm - bag valve mask)",
">\n\nThis. From what I've read, so taking with a grain of salt, the body generally has a couple minutes worth of oxygenated blood when these cardiac events happen, so the amount of time Damar was without oxygen/blood circulation would be very minimal. He was also getting about the best emergency medical attention an American could get, with two dozen+ medical professionals on-site.",
">\n\nI stumbled on this story because I just finished the Elvis movie last night and wanted to see how she was doing 😔",
">\n\nhow was the movie? I've been meaning to see it.",
">\n\nIt's... Ok.\nThe guy who plays Elvis is awesome (and was very funny/charming on a recent SNL episode.)\nBut then in strolls Tom Hanks looking and acting like more a cartoon character than he did in Polar Express. Hanks performance doesn't really work, and it's a bit of a mess. It also suffers from the Baz Luhrman problem where he inserts hip-hop in to eras that don't call for it. There's some really weird remixing of Elvis songs going on.\nOverall I'd give it a 2.5 out of 5.",
">\n\nI imagine Hanks' performance can also be due to Luhrmann's direction. Moulin Rouge is actually in my top 5 favorite movies (hush) and most of the characters in it are as you described Hanks as being. And I think it works fine in Moulin Rouge, but it sounds bad for a biopic. Still want to see it, though.",
">\n\nIt's a good film and there was nothing wrong with Hanks' performance.",
">\n\nGood to know. I'm a bit of a Luhrmann completionist, but I fully recognize his faults and missteps (Australia was haaaaard to sit through) and it was easy to picture Hanks with cartooney vibes. I think I'll actually watch it tonight, it keeps falling off my radar.",
">\n\nI think people don't realize that the person Hanks portrays in it was pretty cartoonish in real life.\nI think it was spot on representative of what the Colonel was actually like.\nI'm also a huge fan of Luhrmann so I suppose I could also be slightly biased but the hate it's getting here is pretty silly.",
">\n\nI honestly don’t know much about Elvis, most of what I know comes from Uncle Jesse on Full House. I’ll go into the movie with an open mind.\nAnd I just read that Lisa Marie unfortunately passed. Kind of going to feel weird watching the movie tonight… May she rest in peace.",
">\n\nWell, fuck. that's not good.",
">\n\nPricilla has just announced that Lisa Marie has passed away.",
">\n\nit was not good",
">\n\nI was sad reading this. Her life hasn't been easy and she seems physically unwell in the interview at the Golden Globes - (referring to the part when she asks the gentleman she is with if she can hold his arm).",
">\n\nShe didn’t look to good in this interview too"
] |
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And her son committed suicide | [
"People magazine is reporting that she has died.",
">\n\nJust saw it on the news at the bar, reporting dead. Sad how sometimes history repeats itself in odd ways",
">\n\nI wouldn't call it \"odd\", considering heart issues can be genetic, she has a history of multiple drug abuse, has been dealing with grief for the past two years, and has shown signs of being physically weak in the last months.\nI get what you're saying, but this doesn't come off like some horribly odd tragedy, it comes off like a horribly preventable tragedy.",
">\n\nHow does this come off as “preventable”?",
">\n\nDrugs are bad mmmkay",
">\n\nPriscilla has made a statement saying Lisa Marie passed. RIP.",
">\n\nFirst her husband, grandson, and now her daughter. No one deserves to lose that many people in their life.",
">\n\nIf you live long enough, you're going to lose a lot of loved ones. Priscilla is 77.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI highly doubt he was without oxygen for 9 minutes considering how many medical personnel were there. Cpr was started within 2-3 minutes and we give oxygen and breaths during cpr.",
">\n\nRight, but he was still getting oxygen in that time (forced into him by medical responders using a bvm - bag valve mask)",
">\n\nThis. From what I've read, so taking with a grain of salt, the body generally has a couple minutes worth of oxygenated blood when these cardiac events happen, so the amount of time Damar was without oxygen/blood circulation would be very minimal. He was also getting about the best emergency medical attention an American could get, with two dozen+ medical professionals on-site.",
">\n\nI stumbled on this story because I just finished the Elvis movie last night and wanted to see how she was doing 😔",
">\n\nhow was the movie? I've been meaning to see it.",
">\n\nIt's... Ok.\nThe guy who plays Elvis is awesome (and was very funny/charming on a recent SNL episode.)\nBut then in strolls Tom Hanks looking and acting like more a cartoon character than he did in Polar Express. Hanks performance doesn't really work, and it's a bit of a mess. It also suffers from the Baz Luhrman problem where he inserts hip-hop in to eras that don't call for it. There's some really weird remixing of Elvis songs going on.\nOverall I'd give it a 2.5 out of 5.",
">\n\nI imagine Hanks' performance can also be due to Luhrmann's direction. Moulin Rouge is actually in my top 5 favorite movies (hush) and most of the characters in it are as you described Hanks as being. And I think it works fine in Moulin Rouge, but it sounds bad for a biopic. Still want to see it, though.",
">\n\nIt's a good film and there was nothing wrong with Hanks' performance.",
">\n\nGood to know. I'm a bit of a Luhrmann completionist, but I fully recognize his faults and missteps (Australia was haaaaard to sit through) and it was easy to picture Hanks with cartooney vibes. I think I'll actually watch it tonight, it keeps falling off my radar.",
">\n\nI think people don't realize that the person Hanks portrays in it was pretty cartoonish in real life.\nI think it was spot on representative of what the Colonel was actually like.\nI'm also a huge fan of Luhrmann so I suppose I could also be slightly biased but the hate it's getting here is pretty silly.",
">\n\nI honestly don’t know much about Elvis, most of what I know comes from Uncle Jesse on Full House. I’ll go into the movie with an open mind.\nAnd I just read that Lisa Marie unfortunately passed. Kind of going to feel weird watching the movie tonight… May she rest in peace.",
">\n\nWell, fuck. that's not good.",
">\n\nPricilla has just announced that Lisa Marie has passed away.",
">\n\nit was not good",
">\n\nI was sad reading this. Her life hasn't been easy and she seems physically unwell in the interview at the Golden Globes - (referring to the part when she asks the gentleman she is with if she can hold his arm).",
">\n\nShe didn’t look to good in this interview too",
">\n\nPulling for her. She’s had a harder life than many believe. Never got real privacy, battled her demons in-front of the world who never will stop comparing her to her megastar father. Bless her\nEDIT: saddened to read of her untimely passing this evening. May she finally have the peace she so desperately longed for. ❤️ Love to Priscilla Her heart must be in pieces."
] |
>
Oh no, she was just at the Golden Globes w her mother. Paramedics had to regain a pulse - I’m not sure how that exactly translates or the specifics but I really hope she recovers. | [
"People magazine is reporting that she has died.",
">\n\nJust saw it on the news at the bar, reporting dead. Sad how sometimes history repeats itself in odd ways",
">\n\nI wouldn't call it \"odd\", considering heart issues can be genetic, she has a history of multiple drug abuse, has been dealing with grief for the past two years, and has shown signs of being physically weak in the last months.\nI get what you're saying, but this doesn't come off like some horribly odd tragedy, it comes off like a horribly preventable tragedy.",
">\n\nHow does this come off as “preventable”?",
">\n\nDrugs are bad mmmkay",
">\n\nPriscilla has made a statement saying Lisa Marie passed. RIP.",
">\n\nFirst her husband, grandson, and now her daughter. No one deserves to lose that many people in their life.",
">\n\nIf you live long enough, you're going to lose a lot of loved ones. Priscilla is 77.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI highly doubt he was without oxygen for 9 minutes considering how many medical personnel were there. Cpr was started within 2-3 minutes and we give oxygen and breaths during cpr.",
">\n\nRight, but he was still getting oxygen in that time (forced into him by medical responders using a bvm - bag valve mask)",
">\n\nThis. From what I've read, so taking with a grain of salt, the body generally has a couple minutes worth of oxygenated blood when these cardiac events happen, so the amount of time Damar was without oxygen/blood circulation would be very minimal. He was also getting about the best emergency medical attention an American could get, with two dozen+ medical professionals on-site.",
">\n\nI stumbled on this story because I just finished the Elvis movie last night and wanted to see how she was doing 😔",
">\n\nhow was the movie? I've been meaning to see it.",
">\n\nIt's... Ok.\nThe guy who plays Elvis is awesome (and was very funny/charming on a recent SNL episode.)\nBut then in strolls Tom Hanks looking and acting like more a cartoon character than he did in Polar Express. Hanks performance doesn't really work, and it's a bit of a mess. It also suffers from the Baz Luhrman problem where he inserts hip-hop in to eras that don't call for it. There's some really weird remixing of Elvis songs going on.\nOverall I'd give it a 2.5 out of 5.",
">\n\nI imagine Hanks' performance can also be due to Luhrmann's direction. Moulin Rouge is actually in my top 5 favorite movies (hush) and most of the characters in it are as you described Hanks as being. And I think it works fine in Moulin Rouge, but it sounds bad for a biopic. Still want to see it, though.",
">\n\nIt's a good film and there was nothing wrong with Hanks' performance.",
">\n\nGood to know. I'm a bit of a Luhrmann completionist, but I fully recognize his faults and missteps (Australia was haaaaard to sit through) and it was easy to picture Hanks with cartooney vibes. I think I'll actually watch it tonight, it keeps falling off my radar.",
">\n\nI think people don't realize that the person Hanks portrays in it was pretty cartoonish in real life.\nI think it was spot on representative of what the Colonel was actually like.\nI'm also a huge fan of Luhrmann so I suppose I could also be slightly biased but the hate it's getting here is pretty silly.",
">\n\nI honestly don’t know much about Elvis, most of what I know comes from Uncle Jesse on Full House. I’ll go into the movie with an open mind.\nAnd I just read that Lisa Marie unfortunately passed. Kind of going to feel weird watching the movie tonight… May she rest in peace.",
">\n\nWell, fuck. that's not good.",
">\n\nPricilla has just announced that Lisa Marie has passed away.",
">\n\nit was not good",
">\n\nI was sad reading this. Her life hasn't been easy and she seems physically unwell in the interview at the Golden Globes - (referring to the part when she asks the gentleman she is with if she can hold his arm).",
">\n\nShe didn’t look to good in this interview too",
">\n\nPulling for her. She’s had a harder life than many believe. Never got real privacy, battled her demons in-front of the world who never will stop comparing her to her megastar father. Bless her\nEDIT: saddened to read of her untimely passing this evening. May she finally have the peace she so desperately longed for. ❤️ Love to Priscilla Her heart must be in pieces.",
">\n\nAnd her son committed suicide"
] |
>
I'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long.
Things look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her. | [
"People magazine is reporting that she has died.",
">\n\nJust saw it on the news at the bar, reporting dead. Sad how sometimes history repeats itself in odd ways",
">\n\nI wouldn't call it \"odd\", considering heart issues can be genetic, she has a history of multiple drug abuse, has been dealing with grief for the past two years, and has shown signs of being physically weak in the last months.\nI get what you're saying, but this doesn't come off like some horribly odd tragedy, it comes off like a horribly preventable tragedy.",
">\n\nHow does this come off as “preventable”?",
">\n\nDrugs are bad mmmkay",
">\n\nPriscilla has made a statement saying Lisa Marie passed. RIP.",
">\n\nFirst her husband, grandson, and now her daughter. No one deserves to lose that many people in their life.",
">\n\nIf you live long enough, you're going to lose a lot of loved ones. Priscilla is 77.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI highly doubt he was without oxygen for 9 minutes considering how many medical personnel were there. Cpr was started within 2-3 minutes and we give oxygen and breaths during cpr.",
">\n\nRight, but he was still getting oxygen in that time (forced into him by medical responders using a bvm - bag valve mask)",
">\n\nThis. From what I've read, so taking with a grain of salt, the body generally has a couple minutes worth of oxygenated blood when these cardiac events happen, so the amount of time Damar was without oxygen/blood circulation would be very minimal. He was also getting about the best emergency medical attention an American could get, with two dozen+ medical professionals on-site.",
">\n\nI stumbled on this story because I just finished the Elvis movie last night and wanted to see how she was doing 😔",
">\n\nhow was the movie? I've been meaning to see it.",
">\n\nIt's... Ok.\nThe guy who plays Elvis is awesome (and was very funny/charming on a recent SNL episode.)\nBut then in strolls Tom Hanks looking and acting like more a cartoon character than he did in Polar Express. Hanks performance doesn't really work, and it's a bit of a mess. It also suffers from the Baz Luhrman problem where he inserts hip-hop in to eras that don't call for it. There's some really weird remixing of Elvis songs going on.\nOverall I'd give it a 2.5 out of 5.",
">\n\nI imagine Hanks' performance can also be due to Luhrmann's direction. Moulin Rouge is actually in my top 5 favorite movies (hush) and most of the characters in it are as you described Hanks as being. And I think it works fine in Moulin Rouge, but it sounds bad for a biopic. Still want to see it, though.",
">\n\nIt's a good film and there was nothing wrong with Hanks' performance.",
">\n\nGood to know. I'm a bit of a Luhrmann completionist, but I fully recognize his faults and missteps (Australia was haaaaard to sit through) and it was easy to picture Hanks with cartooney vibes. I think I'll actually watch it tonight, it keeps falling off my radar.",
">\n\nI think people don't realize that the person Hanks portrays in it was pretty cartoonish in real life.\nI think it was spot on representative of what the Colonel was actually like.\nI'm also a huge fan of Luhrmann so I suppose I could also be slightly biased but the hate it's getting here is pretty silly.",
">\n\nI honestly don’t know much about Elvis, most of what I know comes from Uncle Jesse on Full House. I’ll go into the movie with an open mind.\nAnd I just read that Lisa Marie unfortunately passed. Kind of going to feel weird watching the movie tonight… May she rest in peace.",
">\n\nWell, fuck. that's not good.",
">\n\nPricilla has just announced that Lisa Marie has passed away.",
">\n\nit was not good",
">\n\nI was sad reading this. Her life hasn't been easy and she seems physically unwell in the interview at the Golden Globes - (referring to the part when she asks the gentleman she is with if she can hold his arm).",
">\n\nShe didn’t look to good in this interview too",
">\n\nPulling for her. She’s had a harder life than many believe. Never got real privacy, battled her demons in-front of the world who never will stop comparing her to her megastar father. Bless her\nEDIT: saddened to read of her untimely passing this evening. May she finally have the peace she so desperately longed for. ❤️ Love to Priscilla Her heart must be in pieces.",
">\n\nAnd her son committed suicide",
">\n\nOh no, she was just at the Golden Globes w her mother. Paramedics had to regain a pulse - I’m not sure how that exactly translates or the specifics but I really hope she recovers."
] |
>
I just read she’s in critical condition on life support and in an induced coma. She had been complaining of stomach pains since Tuesday. She was given a shot of epinephrine to restore her pulse. | [
"People magazine is reporting that she has died.",
">\n\nJust saw it on the news at the bar, reporting dead. Sad how sometimes history repeats itself in odd ways",
">\n\nI wouldn't call it \"odd\", considering heart issues can be genetic, she has a history of multiple drug abuse, has been dealing with grief for the past two years, and has shown signs of being physically weak in the last months.\nI get what you're saying, but this doesn't come off like some horribly odd tragedy, it comes off like a horribly preventable tragedy.",
">\n\nHow does this come off as “preventable”?",
">\n\nDrugs are bad mmmkay",
">\n\nPriscilla has made a statement saying Lisa Marie passed. RIP.",
">\n\nFirst her husband, grandson, and now her daughter. No one deserves to lose that many people in their life.",
">\n\nIf you live long enough, you're going to lose a lot of loved ones. Priscilla is 77.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI highly doubt he was without oxygen for 9 minutes considering how many medical personnel were there. Cpr was started within 2-3 minutes and we give oxygen and breaths during cpr.",
">\n\nRight, but he was still getting oxygen in that time (forced into him by medical responders using a bvm - bag valve mask)",
">\n\nThis. From what I've read, so taking with a grain of salt, the body generally has a couple minutes worth of oxygenated blood when these cardiac events happen, so the amount of time Damar was without oxygen/blood circulation would be very minimal. He was also getting about the best emergency medical attention an American could get, with two dozen+ medical professionals on-site.",
">\n\nI stumbled on this story because I just finished the Elvis movie last night and wanted to see how she was doing 😔",
">\n\nhow was the movie? I've been meaning to see it.",
">\n\nIt's... Ok.\nThe guy who plays Elvis is awesome (and was very funny/charming on a recent SNL episode.)\nBut then in strolls Tom Hanks looking and acting like more a cartoon character than he did in Polar Express. Hanks performance doesn't really work, and it's a bit of a mess. It also suffers from the Baz Luhrman problem where he inserts hip-hop in to eras that don't call for it. There's some really weird remixing of Elvis songs going on.\nOverall I'd give it a 2.5 out of 5.",
">\n\nI imagine Hanks' performance can also be due to Luhrmann's direction. Moulin Rouge is actually in my top 5 favorite movies (hush) and most of the characters in it are as you described Hanks as being. And I think it works fine in Moulin Rouge, but it sounds bad for a biopic. Still want to see it, though.",
">\n\nIt's a good film and there was nothing wrong with Hanks' performance.",
">\n\nGood to know. I'm a bit of a Luhrmann completionist, but I fully recognize his faults and missteps (Australia was haaaaard to sit through) and it was easy to picture Hanks with cartooney vibes. I think I'll actually watch it tonight, it keeps falling off my radar.",
">\n\nI think people don't realize that the person Hanks portrays in it was pretty cartoonish in real life.\nI think it was spot on representative of what the Colonel was actually like.\nI'm also a huge fan of Luhrmann so I suppose I could also be slightly biased but the hate it's getting here is pretty silly.",
">\n\nI honestly don’t know much about Elvis, most of what I know comes from Uncle Jesse on Full House. I’ll go into the movie with an open mind.\nAnd I just read that Lisa Marie unfortunately passed. Kind of going to feel weird watching the movie tonight… May she rest in peace.",
">\n\nWell, fuck. that's not good.",
">\n\nPricilla has just announced that Lisa Marie has passed away.",
">\n\nit was not good",
">\n\nI was sad reading this. Her life hasn't been easy and she seems physically unwell in the interview at the Golden Globes - (referring to the part when she asks the gentleman she is with if she can hold his arm).",
">\n\nShe didn’t look to good in this interview too",
">\n\nPulling for her. She’s had a harder life than many believe. Never got real privacy, battled her demons in-front of the world who never will stop comparing her to her megastar father. Bless her\nEDIT: saddened to read of her untimely passing this evening. May she finally have the peace she so desperately longed for. ❤️ Love to Priscilla Her heart must be in pieces.",
">\n\nAnd her son committed suicide",
">\n\nOh no, she was just at the Golden Globes w her mother. Paramedics had to regain a pulse - I’m not sure how that exactly translates or the specifics but I really hope she recovers.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her."
] |
>
All normal procedures. We give epi every 4 minutes during an arrest until we get a pulse or pronounce. I gave 3 on the last arrest I worked. | [
"People magazine is reporting that she has died.",
">\n\nJust saw it on the news at the bar, reporting dead. Sad how sometimes history repeats itself in odd ways",
">\n\nI wouldn't call it \"odd\", considering heart issues can be genetic, she has a history of multiple drug abuse, has been dealing with grief for the past two years, and has shown signs of being physically weak in the last months.\nI get what you're saying, but this doesn't come off like some horribly odd tragedy, it comes off like a horribly preventable tragedy.",
">\n\nHow does this come off as “preventable”?",
">\n\nDrugs are bad mmmkay",
">\n\nPriscilla has made a statement saying Lisa Marie passed. RIP.",
">\n\nFirst her husband, grandson, and now her daughter. No one deserves to lose that many people in their life.",
">\n\nIf you live long enough, you're going to lose a lot of loved ones. Priscilla is 77.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI highly doubt he was without oxygen for 9 minutes considering how many medical personnel were there. Cpr was started within 2-3 minutes and we give oxygen and breaths during cpr.",
">\n\nRight, but he was still getting oxygen in that time (forced into him by medical responders using a bvm - bag valve mask)",
">\n\nThis. From what I've read, so taking with a grain of salt, the body generally has a couple minutes worth of oxygenated blood when these cardiac events happen, so the amount of time Damar was without oxygen/blood circulation would be very minimal. He was also getting about the best emergency medical attention an American could get, with two dozen+ medical professionals on-site.",
">\n\nI stumbled on this story because I just finished the Elvis movie last night and wanted to see how she was doing 😔",
">\n\nhow was the movie? I've been meaning to see it.",
">\n\nIt's... Ok.\nThe guy who plays Elvis is awesome (and was very funny/charming on a recent SNL episode.)\nBut then in strolls Tom Hanks looking and acting like more a cartoon character than he did in Polar Express. Hanks performance doesn't really work, and it's a bit of a mess. It also suffers from the Baz Luhrman problem where he inserts hip-hop in to eras that don't call for it. There's some really weird remixing of Elvis songs going on.\nOverall I'd give it a 2.5 out of 5.",
">\n\nI imagine Hanks' performance can also be due to Luhrmann's direction. Moulin Rouge is actually in my top 5 favorite movies (hush) and most of the characters in it are as you described Hanks as being. And I think it works fine in Moulin Rouge, but it sounds bad for a biopic. Still want to see it, though.",
">\n\nIt's a good film and there was nothing wrong with Hanks' performance.",
">\n\nGood to know. I'm a bit of a Luhrmann completionist, but I fully recognize his faults and missteps (Australia was haaaaard to sit through) and it was easy to picture Hanks with cartooney vibes. I think I'll actually watch it tonight, it keeps falling off my radar.",
">\n\nI think people don't realize that the person Hanks portrays in it was pretty cartoonish in real life.\nI think it was spot on representative of what the Colonel was actually like.\nI'm also a huge fan of Luhrmann so I suppose I could also be slightly biased but the hate it's getting here is pretty silly.",
">\n\nI honestly don’t know much about Elvis, most of what I know comes from Uncle Jesse on Full House. I’ll go into the movie with an open mind.\nAnd I just read that Lisa Marie unfortunately passed. Kind of going to feel weird watching the movie tonight… May she rest in peace.",
">\n\nWell, fuck. that's not good.",
">\n\nPricilla has just announced that Lisa Marie has passed away.",
">\n\nit was not good",
">\n\nI was sad reading this. Her life hasn't been easy and she seems physically unwell in the interview at the Golden Globes - (referring to the part when she asks the gentleman she is with if she can hold his arm).",
">\n\nShe didn’t look to good in this interview too",
">\n\nPulling for her. She’s had a harder life than many believe. Never got real privacy, battled her demons in-front of the world who never will stop comparing her to her megastar father. Bless her\nEDIT: saddened to read of her untimely passing this evening. May she finally have the peace she so desperately longed for. ❤️ Love to Priscilla Her heart must be in pieces.",
">\n\nAnd her son committed suicide",
">\n\nOh no, she was just at the Golden Globes w her mother. Paramedics had to regain a pulse - I’m not sure how that exactly translates or the specifics but I really hope she recovers.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI just read she’s in critical condition on life support and in an induced coma. She had been complaining of stomach pains since Tuesday. She was given a shot of epinephrine to restore her pulse."
] |
>
Totally off topic but if someone goes into anaphylactic shock and throat closes up is it the same stuff? The epi? | [
"People magazine is reporting that she has died.",
">\n\nJust saw it on the news at the bar, reporting dead. Sad how sometimes history repeats itself in odd ways",
">\n\nI wouldn't call it \"odd\", considering heart issues can be genetic, she has a history of multiple drug abuse, has been dealing with grief for the past two years, and has shown signs of being physically weak in the last months.\nI get what you're saying, but this doesn't come off like some horribly odd tragedy, it comes off like a horribly preventable tragedy.",
">\n\nHow does this come off as “preventable”?",
">\n\nDrugs are bad mmmkay",
">\n\nPriscilla has made a statement saying Lisa Marie passed. RIP.",
">\n\nFirst her husband, grandson, and now her daughter. No one deserves to lose that many people in their life.",
">\n\nIf you live long enough, you're going to lose a lot of loved ones. Priscilla is 77.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI highly doubt he was without oxygen for 9 minutes considering how many medical personnel were there. Cpr was started within 2-3 minutes and we give oxygen and breaths during cpr.",
">\n\nRight, but he was still getting oxygen in that time (forced into him by medical responders using a bvm - bag valve mask)",
">\n\nThis. From what I've read, so taking with a grain of salt, the body generally has a couple minutes worth of oxygenated blood when these cardiac events happen, so the amount of time Damar was without oxygen/blood circulation would be very minimal. He was also getting about the best emergency medical attention an American could get, with two dozen+ medical professionals on-site.",
">\n\nI stumbled on this story because I just finished the Elvis movie last night and wanted to see how she was doing 😔",
">\n\nhow was the movie? I've been meaning to see it.",
">\n\nIt's... Ok.\nThe guy who plays Elvis is awesome (and was very funny/charming on a recent SNL episode.)\nBut then in strolls Tom Hanks looking and acting like more a cartoon character than he did in Polar Express. Hanks performance doesn't really work, and it's a bit of a mess. It also suffers from the Baz Luhrman problem where he inserts hip-hop in to eras that don't call for it. There's some really weird remixing of Elvis songs going on.\nOverall I'd give it a 2.5 out of 5.",
">\n\nI imagine Hanks' performance can also be due to Luhrmann's direction. Moulin Rouge is actually in my top 5 favorite movies (hush) and most of the characters in it are as you described Hanks as being. And I think it works fine in Moulin Rouge, but it sounds bad for a biopic. Still want to see it, though.",
">\n\nIt's a good film and there was nothing wrong with Hanks' performance.",
">\n\nGood to know. I'm a bit of a Luhrmann completionist, but I fully recognize his faults and missteps (Australia was haaaaard to sit through) and it was easy to picture Hanks with cartooney vibes. I think I'll actually watch it tonight, it keeps falling off my radar.",
">\n\nI think people don't realize that the person Hanks portrays in it was pretty cartoonish in real life.\nI think it was spot on representative of what the Colonel was actually like.\nI'm also a huge fan of Luhrmann so I suppose I could also be slightly biased but the hate it's getting here is pretty silly.",
">\n\nI honestly don’t know much about Elvis, most of what I know comes from Uncle Jesse on Full House. I’ll go into the movie with an open mind.\nAnd I just read that Lisa Marie unfortunately passed. Kind of going to feel weird watching the movie tonight… May she rest in peace.",
">\n\nWell, fuck. that's not good.",
">\n\nPricilla has just announced that Lisa Marie has passed away.",
">\n\nit was not good",
">\n\nI was sad reading this. Her life hasn't been easy and she seems physically unwell in the interview at the Golden Globes - (referring to the part when she asks the gentleman she is with if she can hold his arm).",
">\n\nShe didn’t look to good in this interview too",
">\n\nPulling for her. She’s had a harder life than many believe. Never got real privacy, battled her demons in-front of the world who never will stop comparing her to her megastar father. Bless her\nEDIT: saddened to read of her untimely passing this evening. May she finally have the peace she so desperately longed for. ❤️ Love to Priscilla Her heart must be in pieces.",
">\n\nAnd her son committed suicide",
">\n\nOh no, she was just at the Golden Globes w her mother. Paramedics had to regain a pulse - I’m not sure how that exactly translates or the specifics but I really hope she recovers.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI just read she’s in critical condition on life support and in an induced coma. She had been complaining of stomach pains since Tuesday. She was given a shot of epinephrine to restore her pulse.",
">\n\nAll normal procedures. We give epi every 4 minutes during an arrest until we get a pulse or pronounce. I gave 3 on the last arrest I worked."
] |
>
Yes. Epinephrine = Adrenalin | [
"People magazine is reporting that she has died.",
">\n\nJust saw it on the news at the bar, reporting dead. Sad how sometimes history repeats itself in odd ways",
">\n\nI wouldn't call it \"odd\", considering heart issues can be genetic, she has a history of multiple drug abuse, has been dealing with grief for the past two years, and has shown signs of being physically weak in the last months.\nI get what you're saying, but this doesn't come off like some horribly odd tragedy, it comes off like a horribly preventable tragedy.",
">\n\nHow does this come off as “preventable”?",
">\n\nDrugs are bad mmmkay",
">\n\nPriscilla has made a statement saying Lisa Marie passed. RIP.",
">\n\nFirst her husband, grandson, and now her daughter. No one deserves to lose that many people in their life.",
">\n\nIf you live long enough, you're going to lose a lot of loved ones. Priscilla is 77.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI highly doubt he was without oxygen for 9 minutes considering how many medical personnel were there. Cpr was started within 2-3 minutes and we give oxygen and breaths during cpr.",
">\n\nRight, but he was still getting oxygen in that time (forced into him by medical responders using a bvm - bag valve mask)",
">\n\nThis. From what I've read, so taking with a grain of salt, the body generally has a couple minutes worth of oxygenated blood when these cardiac events happen, so the amount of time Damar was without oxygen/blood circulation would be very minimal. He was also getting about the best emergency medical attention an American could get, with two dozen+ medical professionals on-site.",
">\n\nI stumbled on this story because I just finished the Elvis movie last night and wanted to see how she was doing 😔",
">\n\nhow was the movie? I've been meaning to see it.",
">\n\nIt's... Ok.\nThe guy who plays Elvis is awesome (and was very funny/charming on a recent SNL episode.)\nBut then in strolls Tom Hanks looking and acting like more a cartoon character than he did in Polar Express. Hanks performance doesn't really work, and it's a bit of a mess. It also suffers from the Baz Luhrman problem where he inserts hip-hop in to eras that don't call for it. There's some really weird remixing of Elvis songs going on.\nOverall I'd give it a 2.5 out of 5.",
">\n\nI imagine Hanks' performance can also be due to Luhrmann's direction. Moulin Rouge is actually in my top 5 favorite movies (hush) and most of the characters in it are as you described Hanks as being. And I think it works fine in Moulin Rouge, but it sounds bad for a biopic. Still want to see it, though.",
">\n\nIt's a good film and there was nothing wrong with Hanks' performance.",
">\n\nGood to know. I'm a bit of a Luhrmann completionist, but I fully recognize his faults and missteps (Australia was haaaaard to sit through) and it was easy to picture Hanks with cartooney vibes. I think I'll actually watch it tonight, it keeps falling off my radar.",
">\n\nI think people don't realize that the person Hanks portrays in it was pretty cartoonish in real life.\nI think it was spot on representative of what the Colonel was actually like.\nI'm also a huge fan of Luhrmann so I suppose I could also be slightly biased but the hate it's getting here is pretty silly.",
">\n\nI honestly don’t know much about Elvis, most of what I know comes from Uncle Jesse on Full House. I’ll go into the movie with an open mind.\nAnd I just read that Lisa Marie unfortunately passed. Kind of going to feel weird watching the movie tonight… May she rest in peace.",
">\n\nWell, fuck. that's not good.",
">\n\nPricilla has just announced that Lisa Marie has passed away.",
">\n\nit was not good",
">\n\nI was sad reading this. Her life hasn't been easy and she seems physically unwell in the interview at the Golden Globes - (referring to the part when she asks the gentleman she is with if she can hold his arm).",
">\n\nShe didn’t look to good in this interview too",
">\n\nPulling for her. She’s had a harder life than many believe. Never got real privacy, battled her demons in-front of the world who never will stop comparing her to her megastar father. Bless her\nEDIT: saddened to read of her untimely passing this evening. May she finally have the peace she so desperately longed for. ❤️ Love to Priscilla Her heart must be in pieces.",
">\n\nAnd her son committed suicide",
">\n\nOh no, she was just at the Golden Globes w her mother. Paramedics had to regain a pulse - I’m not sure how that exactly translates or the specifics but I really hope she recovers.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI just read she’s in critical condition on life support and in an induced coma. She had been complaining of stomach pains since Tuesday. She was given a shot of epinephrine to restore her pulse.",
">\n\nAll normal procedures. We give epi every 4 minutes during an arrest until we get a pulse or pronounce. I gave 3 on the last arrest I worked.",
">\n\nTotally off topic but if someone goes into anaphylactic shock and throat closes up is it the same stuff? The epi?"
] |
>
No, it’s not the same exact stuff. There’s cardiac epi and anaphylactic epi. | [
"People magazine is reporting that she has died.",
">\n\nJust saw it on the news at the bar, reporting dead. Sad how sometimes history repeats itself in odd ways",
">\n\nI wouldn't call it \"odd\", considering heart issues can be genetic, she has a history of multiple drug abuse, has been dealing with grief for the past two years, and has shown signs of being physically weak in the last months.\nI get what you're saying, but this doesn't come off like some horribly odd tragedy, it comes off like a horribly preventable tragedy.",
">\n\nHow does this come off as “preventable”?",
">\n\nDrugs are bad mmmkay",
">\n\nPriscilla has made a statement saying Lisa Marie passed. RIP.",
">\n\nFirst her husband, grandson, and now her daughter. No one deserves to lose that many people in their life.",
">\n\nIf you live long enough, you're going to lose a lot of loved ones. Priscilla is 77.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI highly doubt he was without oxygen for 9 minutes considering how many medical personnel were there. Cpr was started within 2-3 minutes and we give oxygen and breaths during cpr.",
">\n\nRight, but he was still getting oxygen in that time (forced into him by medical responders using a bvm - bag valve mask)",
">\n\nThis. From what I've read, so taking with a grain of salt, the body generally has a couple minutes worth of oxygenated blood when these cardiac events happen, so the amount of time Damar was without oxygen/blood circulation would be very minimal. He was also getting about the best emergency medical attention an American could get, with two dozen+ medical professionals on-site.",
">\n\nI stumbled on this story because I just finished the Elvis movie last night and wanted to see how she was doing 😔",
">\n\nhow was the movie? I've been meaning to see it.",
">\n\nIt's... Ok.\nThe guy who plays Elvis is awesome (and was very funny/charming on a recent SNL episode.)\nBut then in strolls Tom Hanks looking and acting like more a cartoon character than he did in Polar Express. Hanks performance doesn't really work, and it's a bit of a mess. It also suffers from the Baz Luhrman problem where he inserts hip-hop in to eras that don't call for it. There's some really weird remixing of Elvis songs going on.\nOverall I'd give it a 2.5 out of 5.",
">\n\nI imagine Hanks' performance can also be due to Luhrmann's direction. Moulin Rouge is actually in my top 5 favorite movies (hush) and most of the characters in it are as you described Hanks as being. And I think it works fine in Moulin Rouge, but it sounds bad for a biopic. Still want to see it, though.",
">\n\nIt's a good film and there was nothing wrong with Hanks' performance.",
">\n\nGood to know. I'm a bit of a Luhrmann completionist, but I fully recognize his faults and missteps (Australia was haaaaard to sit through) and it was easy to picture Hanks with cartooney vibes. I think I'll actually watch it tonight, it keeps falling off my radar.",
">\n\nI think people don't realize that the person Hanks portrays in it was pretty cartoonish in real life.\nI think it was spot on representative of what the Colonel was actually like.\nI'm also a huge fan of Luhrmann so I suppose I could also be slightly biased but the hate it's getting here is pretty silly.",
">\n\nI honestly don’t know much about Elvis, most of what I know comes from Uncle Jesse on Full House. I’ll go into the movie with an open mind.\nAnd I just read that Lisa Marie unfortunately passed. Kind of going to feel weird watching the movie tonight… May she rest in peace.",
">\n\nWell, fuck. that's not good.",
">\n\nPricilla has just announced that Lisa Marie has passed away.",
">\n\nit was not good",
">\n\nI was sad reading this. Her life hasn't been easy and she seems physically unwell in the interview at the Golden Globes - (referring to the part when she asks the gentleman she is with if she can hold his arm).",
">\n\nShe didn’t look to good in this interview too",
">\n\nPulling for her. She’s had a harder life than many believe. Never got real privacy, battled her demons in-front of the world who never will stop comparing her to her megastar father. Bless her\nEDIT: saddened to read of her untimely passing this evening. May she finally have the peace she so desperately longed for. ❤️ Love to Priscilla Her heart must be in pieces.",
">\n\nAnd her son committed suicide",
">\n\nOh no, she was just at the Golden Globes w her mother. Paramedics had to regain a pulse - I’m not sure how that exactly translates or the specifics but I really hope she recovers.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI just read she’s in critical condition on life support and in an induced coma. She had been complaining of stomach pains since Tuesday. She was given a shot of epinephrine to restore her pulse.",
">\n\nAll normal procedures. We give epi every 4 minutes during an arrest until we get a pulse or pronounce. I gave 3 on the last arrest I worked.",
">\n\nTotally off topic but if someone goes into anaphylactic shock and throat closes up is it the same stuff? The epi?",
">\n\nYes. Epinephrine = Adrenalin"
] |
>
Per the latest update, she passed away | [
"People magazine is reporting that she has died.",
">\n\nJust saw it on the news at the bar, reporting dead. Sad how sometimes history repeats itself in odd ways",
">\n\nI wouldn't call it \"odd\", considering heart issues can be genetic, she has a history of multiple drug abuse, has been dealing with grief for the past two years, and has shown signs of being physically weak in the last months.\nI get what you're saying, but this doesn't come off like some horribly odd tragedy, it comes off like a horribly preventable tragedy.",
">\n\nHow does this come off as “preventable”?",
">\n\nDrugs are bad mmmkay",
">\n\nPriscilla has made a statement saying Lisa Marie passed. RIP.",
">\n\nFirst her husband, grandson, and now her daughter. No one deserves to lose that many people in their life.",
">\n\nIf you live long enough, you're going to lose a lot of loved ones. Priscilla is 77.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI highly doubt he was without oxygen for 9 minutes considering how many medical personnel were there. Cpr was started within 2-3 minutes and we give oxygen and breaths during cpr.",
">\n\nRight, but he was still getting oxygen in that time (forced into him by medical responders using a bvm - bag valve mask)",
">\n\nThis. From what I've read, so taking with a grain of salt, the body generally has a couple minutes worth of oxygenated blood when these cardiac events happen, so the amount of time Damar was without oxygen/blood circulation would be very minimal. He was also getting about the best emergency medical attention an American could get, with two dozen+ medical professionals on-site.",
">\n\nI stumbled on this story because I just finished the Elvis movie last night and wanted to see how she was doing 😔",
">\n\nhow was the movie? I've been meaning to see it.",
">\n\nIt's... Ok.\nThe guy who plays Elvis is awesome (and was very funny/charming on a recent SNL episode.)\nBut then in strolls Tom Hanks looking and acting like more a cartoon character than he did in Polar Express. Hanks performance doesn't really work, and it's a bit of a mess. It also suffers from the Baz Luhrman problem where he inserts hip-hop in to eras that don't call for it. There's some really weird remixing of Elvis songs going on.\nOverall I'd give it a 2.5 out of 5.",
">\n\nI imagine Hanks' performance can also be due to Luhrmann's direction. Moulin Rouge is actually in my top 5 favorite movies (hush) and most of the characters in it are as you described Hanks as being. And I think it works fine in Moulin Rouge, but it sounds bad for a biopic. Still want to see it, though.",
">\n\nIt's a good film and there was nothing wrong with Hanks' performance.",
">\n\nGood to know. I'm a bit of a Luhrmann completionist, but I fully recognize his faults and missteps (Australia was haaaaard to sit through) and it was easy to picture Hanks with cartooney vibes. I think I'll actually watch it tonight, it keeps falling off my radar.",
">\n\nI think people don't realize that the person Hanks portrays in it was pretty cartoonish in real life.\nI think it was spot on representative of what the Colonel was actually like.\nI'm also a huge fan of Luhrmann so I suppose I could also be slightly biased but the hate it's getting here is pretty silly.",
">\n\nI honestly don’t know much about Elvis, most of what I know comes from Uncle Jesse on Full House. I’ll go into the movie with an open mind.\nAnd I just read that Lisa Marie unfortunately passed. Kind of going to feel weird watching the movie tonight… May she rest in peace.",
">\n\nWell, fuck. that's not good.",
">\n\nPricilla has just announced that Lisa Marie has passed away.",
">\n\nit was not good",
">\n\nI was sad reading this. Her life hasn't been easy and she seems physically unwell in the interview at the Golden Globes - (referring to the part when she asks the gentleman she is with if she can hold his arm).",
">\n\nShe didn’t look to good in this interview too",
">\n\nPulling for her. She’s had a harder life than many believe. Never got real privacy, battled her demons in-front of the world who never will stop comparing her to her megastar father. Bless her\nEDIT: saddened to read of her untimely passing this evening. May she finally have the peace she so desperately longed for. ❤️ Love to Priscilla Her heart must be in pieces.",
">\n\nAnd her son committed suicide",
">\n\nOh no, she was just at the Golden Globes w her mother. Paramedics had to regain a pulse - I’m not sure how that exactly translates or the specifics but I really hope she recovers.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI just read she’s in critical condition on life support and in an induced coma. She had been complaining of stomach pains since Tuesday. She was given a shot of epinephrine to restore her pulse.",
">\n\nAll normal procedures. We give epi every 4 minutes during an arrest until we get a pulse or pronounce. I gave 3 on the last arrest I worked.",
">\n\nTotally off topic but if someone goes into anaphylactic shock and throat closes up is it the same stuff? The epi?",
">\n\nYes. Epinephrine = Adrenalin",
">\n\nNo, it’s not the same exact stuff. There’s cardiac epi and anaphylactic epi."
] |
>
54 is so incredibly young….RIP LMP :( | [
"People magazine is reporting that she has died.",
">\n\nJust saw it on the news at the bar, reporting dead. Sad how sometimes history repeats itself in odd ways",
">\n\nI wouldn't call it \"odd\", considering heart issues can be genetic, she has a history of multiple drug abuse, has been dealing with grief for the past two years, and has shown signs of being physically weak in the last months.\nI get what you're saying, but this doesn't come off like some horribly odd tragedy, it comes off like a horribly preventable tragedy.",
">\n\nHow does this come off as “preventable”?",
">\n\nDrugs are bad mmmkay",
">\n\nPriscilla has made a statement saying Lisa Marie passed. RIP.",
">\n\nFirst her husband, grandson, and now her daughter. No one deserves to lose that many people in their life.",
">\n\nIf you live long enough, you're going to lose a lot of loved ones. Priscilla is 77.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI highly doubt he was without oxygen for 9 minutes considering how many medical personnel were there. Cpr was started within 2-3 minutes and we give oxygen and breaths during cpr.",
">\n\nRight, but he was still getting oxygen in that time (forced into him by medical responders using a bvm - bag valve mask)",
">\n\nThis. From what I've read, so taking with a grain of salt, the body generally has a couple minutes worth of oxygenated blood when these cardiac events happen, so the amount of time Damar was without oxygen/blood circulation would be very minimal. He was also getting about the best emergency medical attention an American could get, with two dozen+ medical professionals on-site.",
">\n\nI stumbled on this story because I just finished the Elvis movie last night and wanted to see how she was doing 😔",
">\n\nhow was the movie? I've been meaning to see it.",
">\n\nIt's... Ok.\nThe guy who plays Elvis is awesome (and was very funny/charming on a recent SNL episode.)\nBut then in strolls Tom Hanks looking and acting like more a cartoon character than he did in Polar Express. Hanks performance doesn't really work, and it's a bit of a mess. It also suffers from the Baz Luhrman problem where he inserts hip-hop in to eras that don't call for it. There's some really weird remixing of Elvis songs going on.\nOverall I'd give it a 2.5 out of 5.",
">\n\nI imagine Hanks' performance can also be due to Luhrmann's direction. Moulin Rouge is actually in my top 5 favorite movies (hush) and most of the characters in it are as you described Hanks as being. And I think it works fine in Moulin Rouge, but it sounds bad for a biopic. Still want to see it, though.",
">\n\nIt's a good film and there was nothing wrong with Hanks' performance.",
">\n\nGood to know. I'm a bit of a Luhrmann completionist, but I fully recognize his faults and missteps (Australia was haaaaard to sit through) and it was easy to picture Hanks with cartooney vibes. I think I'll actually watch it tonight, it keeps falling off my radar.",
">\n\nI think people don't realize that the person Hanks portrays in it was pretty cartoonish in real life.\nI think it was spot on representative of what the Colonel was actually like.\nI'm also a huge fan of Luhrmann so I suppose I could also be slightly biased but the hate it's getting here is pretty silly.",
">\n\nI honestly don’t know much about Elvis, most of what I know comes from Uncle Jesse on Full House. I’ll go into the movie with an open mind.\nAnd I just read that Lisa Marie unfortunately passed. Kind of going to feel weird watching the movie tonight… May she rest in peace.",
">\n\nWell, fuck. that's not good.",
">\n\nPricilla has just announced that Lisa Marie has passed away.",
">\n\nit was not good",
">\n\nI was sad reading this. Her life hasn't been easy and she seems physically unwell in the interview at the Golden Globes - (referring to the part when she asks the gentleman she is with if she can hold his arm).",
">\n\nShe didn’t look to good in this interview too",
">\n\nPulling for her. She’s had a harder life than many believe. Never got real privacy, battled her demons in-front of the world who never will stop comparing her to her megastar father. Bless her\nEDIT: saddened to read of her untimely passing this evening. May she finally have the peace she so desperately longed for. ❤️ Love to Priscilla Her heart must be in pieces.",
">\n\nAnd her son committed suicide",
">\n\nOh no, she was just at the Golden Globes w her mother. Paramedics had to regain a pulse - I’m not sure how that exactly translates or the specifics but I really hope she recovers.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI just read she’s in critical condition on life support and in an induced coma. She had been complaining of stomach pains since Tuesday. She was given a shot of epinephrine to restore her pulse.",
">\n\nAll normal procedures. We give epi every 4 minutes during an arrest until we get a pulse or pronounce. I gave 3 on the last arrest I worked.",
">\n\nTotally off topic but if someone goes into anaphylactic shock and throat closes up is it the same stuff? The epi?",
">\n\nYes. Epinephrine = Adrenalin",
">\n\nNo, it’s not the same exact stuff. There’s cardiac epi and anaphylactic epi.",
">\n\nPer the latest update, she passed away"
] |
>
This makes me sad. I do hope she's able to recover. | [
"People magazine is reporting that she has died.",
">\n\nJust saw it on the news at the bar, reporting dead. Sad how sometimes history repeats itself in odd ways",
">\n\nI wouldn't call it \"odd\", considering heart issues can be genetic, she has a history of multiple drug abuse, has been dealing with grief for the past two years, and has shown signs of being physically weak in the last months.\nI get what you're saying, but this doesn't come off like some horribly odd tragedy, it comes off like a horribly preventable tragedy.",
">\n\nHow does this come off as “preventable”?",
">\n\nDrugs are bad mmmkay",
">\n\nPriscilla has made a statement saying Lisa Marie passed. RIP.",
">\n\nFirst her husband, grandson, and now her daughter. No one deserves to lose that many people in their life.",
">\n\nIf you live long enough, you're going to lose a lot of loved ones. Priscilla is 77.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI highly doubt he was without oxygen for 9 minutes considering how many medical personnel were there. Cpr was started within 2-3 minutes and we give oxygen and breaths during cpr.",
">\n\nRight, but he was still getting oxygen in that time (forced into him by medical responders using a bvm - bag valve mask)",
">\n\nThis. From what I've read, so taking with a grain of salt, the body generally has a couple minutes worth of oxygenated blood when these cardiac events happen, so the amount of time Damar was without oxygen/blood circulation would be very minimal. He was also getting about the best emergency medical attention an American could get, with two dozen+ medical professionals on-site.",
">\n\nI stumbled on this story because I just finished the Elvis movie last night and wanted to see how she was doing 😔",
">\n\nhow was the movie? I've been meaning to see it.",
">\n\nIt's... Ok.\nThe guy who plays Elvis is awesome (and was very funny/charming on a recent SNL episode.)\nBut then in strolls Tom Hanks looking and acting like more a cartoon character than he did in Polar Express. Hanks performance doesn't really work, and it's a bit of a mess. It also suffers from the Baz Luhrman problem where he inserts hip-hop in to eras that don't call for it. There's some really weird remixing of Elvis songs going on.\nOverall I'd give it a 2.5 out of 5.",
">\n\nI imagine Hanks' performance can also be due to Luhrmann's direction. Moulin Rouge is actually in my top 5 favorite movies (hush) and most of the characters in it are as you described Hanks as being. And I think it works fine in Moulin Rouge, but it sounds bad for a biopic. Still want to see it, though.",
">\n\nIt's a good film and there was nothing wrong with Hanks' performance.",
">\n\nGood to know. I'm a bit of a Luhrmann completionist, but I fully recognize his faults and missteps (Australia was haaaaard to sit through) and it was easy to picture Hanks with cartooney vibes. I think I'll actually watch it tonight, it keeps falling off my radar.",
">\n\nI think people don't realize that the person Hanks portrays in it was pretty cartoonish in real life.\nI think it was spot on representative of what the Colonel was actually like.\nI'm also a huge fan of Luhrmann so I suppose I could also be slightly biased but the hate it's getting here is pretty silly.",
">\n\nI honestly don’t know much about Elvis, most of what I know comes from Uncle Jesse on Full House. I’ll go into the movie with an open mind.\nAnd I just read that Lisa Marie unfortunately passed. Kind of going to feel weird watching the movie tonight… May she rest in peace.",
">\n\nWell, fuck. that's not good.",
">\n\nPricilla has just announced that Lisa Marie has passed away.",
">\n\nit was not good",
">\n\nI was sad reading this. Her life hasn't been easy and she seems physically unwell in the interview at the Golden Globes - (referring to the part when she asks the gentleman she is with if she can hold his arm).",
">\n\nShe didn’t look to good in this interview too",
">\n\nPulling for her. She’s had a harder life than many believe. Never got real privacy, battled her demons in-front of the world who never will stop comparing her to her megastar father. Bless her\nEDIT: saddened to read of her untimely passing this evening. May she finally have the peace she so desperately longed for. ❤️ Love to Priscilla Her heart must be in pieces.",
">\n\nAnd her son committed suicide",
">\n\nOh no, she was just at the Golden Globes w her mother. Paramedics had to regain a pulse - I’m not sure how that exactly translates or the specifics but I really hope she recovers.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI just read she’s in critical condition on life support and in an induced coma. She had been complaining of stomach pains since Tuesday. She was given a shot of epinephrine to restore her pulse.",
">\n\nAll normal procedures. We give epi every 4 minutes during an arrest until we get a pulse or pronounce. I gave 3 on the last arrest I worked.",
">\n\nTotally off topic but if someone goes into anaphylactic shock and throat closes up is it the same stuff? The epi?",
">\n\nYes. Epinephrine = Adrenalin",
">\n\nNo, it’s not the same exact stuff. There’s cardiac epi and anaphylactic epi.",
">\n\nPer the latest update, she passed away",
">\n\n54 is so incredibly young….RIP LMP :("
] |
>
Oh shit! Hopefully she'll be fine. | [
"People magazine is reporting that she has died.",
">\n\nJust saw it on the news at the bar, reporting dead. Sad how sometimes history repeats itself in odd ways",
">\n\nI wouldn't call it \"odd\", considering heart issues can be genetic, she has a history of multiple drug abuse, has been dealing with grief for the past two years, and has shown signs of being physically weak in the last months.\nI get what you're saying, but this doesn't come off like some horribly odd tragedy, it comes off like a horribly preventable tragedy.",
">\n\nHow does this come off as “preventable”?",
">\n\nDrugs are bad mmmkay",
">\n\nPriscilla has made a statement saying Lisa Marie passed. RIP.",
">\n\nFirst her husband, grandson, and now her daughter. No one deserves to lose that many people in their life.",
">\n\nIf you live long enough, you're going to lose a lot of loved ones. Priscilla is 77.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI highly doubt he was without oxygen for 9 minutes considering how many medical personnel were there. Cpr was started within 2-3 minutes and we give oxygen and breaths during cpr.",
">\n\nRight, but he was still getting oxygen in that time (forced into him by medical responders using a bvm - bag valve mask)",
">\n\nThis. From what I've read, so taking with a grain of salt, the body generally has a couple minutes worth of oxygenated blood when these cardiac events happen, so the amount of time Damar was without oxygen/blood circulation would be very minimal. He was also getting about the best emergency medical attention an American could get, with two dozen+ medical professionals on-site.",
">\n\nI stumbled on this story because I just finished the Elvis movie last night and wanted to see how she was doing 😔",
">\n\nhow was the movie? I've been meaning to see it.",
">\n\nIt's... Ok.\nThe guy who plays Elvis is awesome (and was very funny/charming on a recent SNL episode.)\nBut then in strolls Tom Hanks looking and acting like more a cartoon character than he did in Polar Express. Hanks performance doesn't really work, and it's a bit of a mess. It also suffers from the Baz Luhrman problem where he inserts hip-hop in to eras that don't call for it. There's some really weird remixing of Elvis songs going on.\nOverall I'd give it a 2.5 out of 5.",
">\n\nI imagine Hanks' performance can also be due to Luhrmann's direction. Moulin Rouge is actually in my top 5 favorite movies (hush) and most of the characters in it are as you described Hanks as being. And I think it works fine in Moulin Rouge, but it sounds bad for a biopic. Still want to see it, though.",
">\n\nIt's a good film and there was nothing wrong with Hanks' performance.",
">\n\nGood to know. I'm a bit of a Luhrmann completionist, but I fully recognize his faults and missteps (Australia was haaaaard to sit through) and it was easy to picture Hanks with cartooney vibes. I think I'll actually watch it tonight, it keeps falling off my radar.",
">\n\nI think people don't realize that the person Hanks portrays in it was pretty cartoonish in real life.\nI think it was spot on representative of what the Colonel was actually like.\nI'm also a huge fan of Luhrmann so I suppose I could also be slightly biased but the hate it's getting here is pretty silly.",
">\n\nI honestly don’t know much about Elvis, most of what I know comes from Uncle Jesse on Full House. I’ll go into the movie with an open mind.\nAnd I just read that Lisa Marie unfortunately passed. Kind of going to feel weird watching the movie tonight… May she rest in peace.",
">\n\nWell, fuck. that's not good.",
">\n\nPricilla has just announced that Lisa Marie has passed away.",
">\n\nit was not good",
">\n\nI was sad reading this. Her life hasn't been easy and she seems physically unwell in the interview at the Golden Globes - (referring to the part when she asks the gentleman she is with if she can hold his arm).",
">\n\nShe didn’t look to good in this interview too",
">\n\nPulling for her. She’s had a harder life than many believe. Never got real privacy, battled her demons in-front of the world who never will stop comparing her to her megastar father. Bless her\nEDIT: saddened to read of her untimely passing this evening. May she finally have the peace she so desperately longed for. ❤️ Love to Priscilla Her heart must be in pieces.",
">\n\nAnd her son committed suicide",
">\n\nOh no, she was just at the Golden Globes w her mother. Paramedics had to regain a pulse - I’m not sure how that exactly translates or the specifics but I really hope she recovers.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI just read she’s in critical condition on life support and in an induced coma. She had been complaining of stomach pains since Tuesday. She was given a shot of epinephrine to restore her pulse.",
">\n\nAll normal procedures. We give epi every 4 minutes during an arrest until we get a pulse or pronounce. I gave 3 on the last arrest I worked.",
">\n\nTotally off topic but if someone goes into anaphylactic shock and throat closes up is it the same stuff? The epi?",
">\n\nYes. Epinephrine = Adrenalin",
">\n\nNo, it’s not the same exact stuff. There’s cardiac epi and anaphylactic epi.",
">\n\nPer the latest update, she passed away",
">\n\n54 is so incredibly young….RIP LMP :(",
">\n\nThis makes me sad. I do hope she's able to recover."
] |
>
She died 😢 | [
"People magazine is reporting that she has died.",
">\n\nJust saw it on the news at the bar, reporting dead. Sad how sometimes history repeats itself in odd ways",
">\n\nI wouldn't call it \"odd\", considering heart issues can be genetic, she has a history of multiple drug abuse, has been dealing with grief for the past two years, and has shown signs of being physically weak in the last months.\nI get what you're saying, but this doesn't come off like some horribly odd tragedy, it comes off like a horribly preventable tragedy.",
">\n\nHow does this come off as “preventable”?",
">\n\nDrugs are bad mmmkay",
">\n\nPriscilla has made a statement saying Lisa Marie passed. RIP.",
">\n\nFirst her husband, grandson, and now her daughter. No one deserves to lose that many people in their life.",
">\n\nIf you live long enough, you're going to lose a lot of loved ones. Priscilla is 77.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI highly doubt he was without oxygen for 9 minutes considering how many medical personnel were there. Cpr was started within 2-3 minutes and we give oxygen and breaths during cpr.",
">\n\nRight, but he was still getting oxygen in that time (forced into him by medical responders using a bvm - bag valve mask)",
">\n\nThis. From what I've read, so taking with a grain of salt, the body generally has a couple minutes worth of oxygenated blood when these cardiac events happen, so the amount of time Damar was without oxygen/blood circulation would be very minimal. He was also getting about the best emergency medical attention an American could get, with two dozen+ medical professionals on-site.",
">\n\nI stumbled on this story because I just finished the Elvis movie last night and wanted to see how she was doing 😔",
">\n\nhow was the movie? I've been meaning to see it.",
">\n\nIt's... Ok.\nThe guy who plays Elvis is awesome (and was very funny/charming on a recent SNL episode.)\nBut then in strolls Tom Hanks looking and acting like more a cartoon character than he did in Polar Express. Hanks performance doesn't really work, and it's a bit of a mess. It also suffers from the Baz Luhrman problem where he inserts hip-hop in to eras that don't call for it. There's some really weird remixing of Elvis songs going on.\nOverall I'd give it a 2.5 out of 5.",
">\n\nI imagine Hanks' performance can also be due to Luhrmann's direction. Moulin Rouge is actually in my top 5 favorite movies (hush) and most of the characters in it are as you described Hanks as being. And I think it works fine in Moulin Rouge, but it sounds bad for a biopic. Still want to see it, though.",
">\n\nIt's a good film and there was nothing wrong with Hanks' performance.",
">\n\nGood to know. I'm a bit of a Luhrmann completionist, but I fully recognize his faults and missteps (Australia was haaaaard to sit through) and it was easy to picture Hanks with cartooney vibes. I think I'll actually watch it tonight, it keeps falling off my radar.",
">\n\nI think people don't realize that the person Hanks portrays in it was pretty cartoonish in real life.\nI think it was spot on representative of what the Colonel was actually like.\nI'm also a huge fan of Luhrmann so I suppose I could also be slightly biased but the hate it's getting here is pretty silly.",
">\n\nI honestly don’t know much about Elvis, most of what I know comes from Uncle Jesse on Full House. I’ll go into the movie with an open mind.\nAnd I just read that Lisa Marie unfortunately passed. Kind of going to feel weird watching the movie tonight… May she rest in peace.",
">\n\nWell, fuck. that's not good.",
">\n\nPricilla has just announced that Lisa Marie has passed away.",
">\n\nit was not good",
">\n\nI was sad reading this. Her life hasn't been easy and she seems physically unwell in the interview at the Golden Globes - (referring to the part when she asks the gentleman she is with if she can hold his arm).",
">\n\nShe didn’t look to good in this interview too",
">\n\nPulling for her. She’s had a harder life than many believe. Never got real privacy, battled her demons in-front of the world who never will stop comparing her to her megastar father. Bless her\nEDIT: saddened to read of her untimely passing this evening. May she finally have the peace she so desperately longed for. ❤️ Love to Priscilla Her heart must be in pieces.",
">\n\nAnd her son committed suicide",
">\n\nOh no, she was just at the Golden Globes w her mother. Paramedics had to regain a pulse - I’m not sure how that exactly translates or the specifics but I really hope she recovers.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI just read she’s in critical condition on life support and in an induced coma. She had been complaining of stomach pains since Tuesday. She was given a shot of epinephrine to restore her pulse.",
">\n\nAll normal procedures. We give epi every 4 minutes during an arrest until we get a pulse or pronounce. I gave 3 on the last arrest I worked.",
">\n\nTotally off topic but if someone goes into anaphylactic shock and throat closes up is it the same stuff? The epi?",
">\n\nYes. Epinephrine = Adrenalin",
">\n\nNo, it’s not the same exact stuff. There’s cardiac epi and anaphylactic epi.",
">\n\nPer the latest update, she passed away",
">\n\n54 is so incredibly young….RIP LMP :(",
">\n\nThis makes me sad. I do hope she's able to recover.",
">\n\nOh shit! Hopefully she'll be fine."
] |
>
Right after Elvis' birthday too. Hope she will be okay🙏 | [
"People magazine is reporting that she has died.",
">\n\nJust saw it on the news at the bar, reporting dead. Sad how sometimes history repeats itself in odd ways",
">\n\nI wouldn't call it \"odd\", considering heart issues can be genetic, she has a history of multiple drug abuse, has been dealing with grief for the past two years, and has shown signs of being physically weak in the last months.\nI get what you're saying, but this doesn't come off like some horribly odd tragedy, it comes off like a horribly preventable tragedy.",
">\n\nHow does this come off as “preventable”?",
">\n\nDrugs are bad mmmkay",
">\n\nPriscilla has made a statement saying Lisa Marie passed. RIP.",
">\n\nFirst her husband, grandson, and now her daughter. No one deserves to lose that many people in their life.",
">\n\nIf you live long enough, you're going to lose a lot of loved ones. Priscilla is 77.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI highly doubt he was without oxygen for 9 minutes considering how many medical personnel were there. Cpr was started within 2-3 minutes and we give oxygen and breaths during cpr.",
">\n\nRight, but he was still getting oxygen in that time (forced into him by medical responders using a bvm - bag valve mask)",
">\n\nThis. From what I've read, so taking with a grain of salt, the body generally has a couple minutes worth of oxygenated blood when these cardiac events happen, so the amount of time Damar was without oxygen/blood circulation would be very minimal. He was also getting about the best emergency medical attention an American could get, with two dozen+ medical professionals on-site.",
">\n\nI stumbled on this story because I just finished the Elvis movie last night and wanted to see how she was doing 😔",
">\n\nhow was the movie? I've been meaning to see it.",
">\n\nIt's... Ok.\nThe guy who plays Elvis is awesome (and was very funny/charming on a recent SNL episode.)\nBut then in strolls Tom Hanks looking and acting like more a cartoon character than he did in Polar Express. Hanks performance doesn't really work, and it's a bit of a mess. It also suffers from the Baz Luhrman problem where he inserts hip-hop in to eras that don't call for it. There's some really weird remixing of Elvis songs going on.\nOverall I'd give it a 2.5 out of 5.",
">\n\nI imagine Hanks' performance can also be due to Luhrmann's direction. Moulin Rouge is actually in my top 5 favorite movies (hush) and most of the characters in it are as you described Hanks as being. And I think it works fine in Moulin Rouge, but it sounds bad for a biopic. Still want to see it, though.",
">\n\nIt's a good film and there was nothing wrong with Hanks' performance.",
">\n\nGood to know. I'm a bit of a Luhrmann completionist, but I fully recognize his faults and missteps (Australia was haaaaard to sit through) and it was easy to picture Hanks with cartooney vibes. I think I'll actually watch it tonight, it keeps falling off my radar.",
">\n\nI think people don't realize that the person Hanks portrays in it was pretty cartoonish in real life.\nI think it was spot on representative of what the Colonel was actually like.\nI'm also a huge fan of Luhrmann so I suppose I could also be slightly biased but the hate it's getting here is pretty silly.",
">\n\nI honestly don’t know much about Elvis, most of what I know comes from Uncle Jesse on Full House. I’ll go into the movie with an open mind.\nAnd I just read that Lisa Marie unfortunately passed. Kind of going to feel weird watching the movie tonight… May she rest in peace.",
">\n\nWell, fuck. that's not good.",
">\n\nPricilla has just announced that Lisa Marie has passed away.",
">\n\nit was not good",
">\n\nI was sad reading this. Her life hasn't been easy and she seems physically unwell in the interview at the Golden Globes - (referring to the part when she asks the gentleman she is with if she can hold his arm).",
">\n\nShe didn’t look to good in this interview too",
">\n\nPulling for her. She’s had a harder life than many believe. Never got real privacy, battled her demons in-front of the world who never will stop comparing her to her megastar father. Bless her\nEDIT: saddened to read of her untimely passing this evening. May she finally have the peace she so desperately longed for. ❤️ Love to Priscilla Her heart must be in pieces.",
">\n\nAnd her son committed suicide",
">\n\nOh no, she was just at the Golden Globes w her mother. Paramedics had to regain a pulse - I’m not sure how that exactly translates or the specifics but I really hope she recovers.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI just read she’s in critical condition on life support and in an induced coma. She had been complaining of stomach pains since Tuesday. She was given a shot of epinephrine to restore her pulse.",
">\n\nAll normal procedures. We give epi every 4 minutes during an arrest until we get a pulse or pronounce. I gave 3 on the last arrest I worked.",
">\n\nTotally off topic but if someone goes into anaphylactic shock and throat closes up is it the same stuff? The epi?",
">\n\nYes. Epinephrine = Adrenalin",
">\n\nNo, it’s not the same exact stuff. There’s cardiac epi and anaphylactic epi.",
">\n\nPer the latest update, she passed away",
">\n\n54 is so incredibly young….RIP LMP :(",
">\n\nThis makes me sad. I do hope she's able to recover.",
">\n\nOh shit! Hopefully she'll be fine.",
">\n\nShe died 😢"
] |
>
TMZ is reporting that she’s on life support. | [
"People magazine is reporting that she has died.",
">\n\nJust saw it on the news at the bar, reporting dead. Sad how sometimes history repeats itself in odd ways",
">\n\nI wouldn't call it \"odd\", considering heart issues can be genetic, she has a history of multiple drug abuse, has been dealing with grief for the past two years, and has shown signs of being physically weak in the last months.\nI get what you're saying, but this doesn't come off like some horribly odd tragedy, it comes off like a horribly preventable tragedy.",
">\n\nHow does this come off as “preventable”?",
">\n\nDrugs are bad mmmkay",
">\n\nPriscilla has made a statement saying Lisa Marie passed. RIP.",
">\n\nFirst her husband, grandson, and now her daughter. No one deserves to lose that many people in their life.",
">\n\nIf you live long enough, you're going to lose a lot of loved ones. Priscilla is 77.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI highly doubt he was without oxygen for 9 minutes considering how many medical personnel were there. Cpr was started within 2-3 minutes and we give oxygen and breaths during cpr.",
">\n\nRight, but he was still getting oxygen in that time (forced into him by medical responders using a bvm - bag valve mask)",
">\n\nThis. From what I've read, so taking with a grain of salt, the body generally has a couple minutes worth of oxygenated blood when these cardiac events happen, so the amount of time Damar was without oxygen/blood circulation would be very minimal. He was also getting about the best emergency medical attention an American could get, with two dozen+ medical professionals on-site.",
">\n\nI stumbled on this story because I just finished the Elvis movie last night and wanted to see how she was doing 😔",
">\n\nhow was the movie? I've been meaning to see it.",
">\n\nIt's... Ok.\nThe guy who plays Elvis is awesome (and was very funny/charming on a recent SNL episode.)\nBut then in strolls Tom Hanks looking and acting like more a cartoon character than he did in Polar Express. Hanks performance doesn't really work, and it's a bit of a mess. It also suffers from the Baz Luhrman problem where he inserts hip-hop in to eras that don't call for it. There's some really weird remixing of Elvis songs going on.\nOverall I'd give it a 2.5 out of 5.",
">\n\nI imagine Hanks' performance can also be due to Luhrmann's direction. Moulin Rouge is actually in my top 5 favorite movies (hush) and most of the characters in it are as you described Hanks as being. And I think it works fine in Moulin Rouge, but it sounds bad for a biopic. Still want to see it, though.",
">\n\nIt's a good film and there was nothing wrong with Hanks' performance.",
">\n\nGood to know. I'm a bit of a Luhrmann completionist, but I fully recognize his faults and missteps (Australia was haaaaard to sit through) and it was easy to picture Hanks with cartooney vibes. I think I'll actually watch it tonight, it keeps falling off my radar.",
">\n\nI think people don't realize that the person Hanks portrays in it was pretty cartoonish in real life.\nI think it was spot on representative of what the Colonel was actually like.\nI'm also a huge fan of Luhrmann so I suppose I could also be slightly biased but the hate it's getting here is pretty silly.",
">\n\nI honestly don’t know much about Elvis, most of what I know comes from Uncle Jesse on Full House. I’ll go into the movie with an open mind.\nAnd I just read that Lisa Marie unfortunately passed. Kind of going to feel weird watching the movie tonight… May she rest in peace.",
">\n\nWell, fuck. that's not good.",
">\n\nPricilla has just announced that Lisa Marie has passed away.",
">\n\nit was not good",
">\n\nI was sad reading this. Her life hasn't been easy and she seems physically unwell in the interview at the Golden Globes - (referring to the part when she asks the gentleman she is with if she can hold his arm).",
">\n\nShe didn’t look to good in this interview too",
">\n\nPulling for her. She’s had a harder life than many believe. Never got real privacy, battled her demons in-front of the world who never will stop comparing her to her megastar father. Bless her\nEDIT: saddened to read of her untimely passing this evening. May she finally have the peace she so desperately longed for. ❤️ Love to Priscilla Her heart must be in pieces.",
">\n\nAnd her son committed suicide",
">\n\nOh no, she was just at the Golden Globes w her mother. Paramedics had to regain a pulse - I’m not sure how that exactly translates or the specifics but I really hope she recovers.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI just read she’s in critical condition on life support and in an induced coma. She had been complaining of stomach pains since Tuesday. She was given a shot of epinephrine to restore her pulse.",
">\n\nAll normal procedures. We give epi every 4 minutes during an arrest until we get a pulse or pronounce. I gave 3 on the last arrest I worked.",
">\n\nTotally off topic but if someone goes into anaphylactic shock and throat closes up is it the same stuff? The epi?",
">\n\nYes. Epinephrine = Adrenalin",
">\n\nNo, it’s not the same exact stuff. There’s cardiac epi and anaphylactic epi.",
">\n\nPer the latest update, she passed away",
">\n\n54 is so incredibly young….RIP LMP :(",
">\n\nThis makes me sad. I do hope she's able to recover.",
">\n\nOh shit! Hopefully she'll be fine.",
">\n\nShe died 😢",
">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too. Hope she will be okay🙏"
] |
>
Damn. She passed. RIP. | [
"People magazine is reporting that she has died.",
">\n\nJust saw it on the news at the bar, reporting dead. Sad how sometimes history repeats itself in odd ways",
">\n\nI wouldn't call it \"odd\", considering heart issues can be genetic, she has a history of multiple drug abuse, has been dealing with grief for the past two years, and has shown signs of being physically weak in the last months.\nI get what you're saying, but this doesn't come off like some horribly odd tragedy, it comes off like a horribly preventable tragedy.",
">\n\nHow does this come off as “preventable”?",
">\n\nDrugs are bad mmmkay",
">\n\nPriscilla has made a statement saying Lisa Marie passed. RIP.",
">\n\nFirst her husband, grandson, and now her daughter. No one deserves to lose that many people in their life.",
">\n\nIf you live long enough, you're going to lose a lot of loved ones. Priscilla is 77.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI highly doubt he was without oxygen for 9 minutes considering how many medical personnel were there. Cpr was started within 2-3 minutes and we give oxygen and breaths during cpr.",
">\n\nRight, but he was still getting oxygen in that time (forced into him by medical responders using a bvm - bag valve mask)",
">\n\nThis. From what I've read, so taking with a grain of salt, the body generally has a couple minutes worth of oxygenated blood when these cardiac events happen, so the amount of time Damar was without oxygen/blood circulation would be very minimal. He was also getting about the best emergency medical attention an American could get, with two dozen+ medical professionals on-site.",
">\n\nI stumbled on this story because I just finished the Elvis movie last night and wanted to see how she was doing 😔",
">\n\nhow was the movie? I've been meaning to see it.",
">\n\nIt's... Ok.\nThe guy who plays Elvis is awesome (and was very funny/charming on a recent SNL episode.)\nBut then in strolls Tom Hanks looking and acting like more a cartoon character than he did in Polar Express. Hanks performance doesn't really work, and it's a bit of a mess. It also suffers from the Baz Luhrman problem where he inserts hip-hop in to eras that don't call for it. There's some really weird remixing of Elvis songs going on.\nOverall I'd give it a 2.5 out of 5.",
">\n\nI imagine Hanks' performance can also be due to Luhrmann's direction. Moulin Rouge is actually in my top 5 favorite movies (hush) and most of the characters in it are as you described Hanks as being. And I think it works fine in Moulin Rouge, but it sounds bad for a biopic. Still want to see it, though.",
">\n\nIt's a good film and there was nothing wrong with Hanks' performance.",
">\n\nGood to know. I'm a bit of a Luhrmann completionist, but I fully recognize his faults and missteps (Australia was haaaaard to sit through) and it was easy to picture Hanks with cartooney vibes. I think I'll actually watch it tonight, it keeps falling off my radar.",
">\n\nI think people don't realize that the person Hanks portrays in it was pretty cartoonish in real life.\nI think it was spot on representative of what the Colonel was actually like.\nI'm also a huge fan of Luhrmann so I suppose I could also be slightly biased but the hate it's getting here is pretty silly.",
">\n\nI honestly don’t know much about Elvis, most of what I know comes from Uncle Jesse on Full House. I’ll go into the movie with an open mind.\nAnd I just read that Lisa Marie unfortunately passed. Kind of going to feel weird watching the movie tonight… May she rest in peace.",
">\n\nWell, fuck. that's not good.",
">\n\nPricilla has just announced that Lisa Marie has passed away.",
">\n\nit was not good",
">\n\nI was sad reading this. Her life hasn't been easy and she seems physically unwell in the interview at the Golden Globes - (referring to the part when she asks the gentleman she is with if she can hold his arm).",
">\n\nShe didn’t look to good in this interview too",
">\n\nPulling for her. She’s had a harder life than many believe. Never got real privacy, battled her demons in-front of the world who never will stop comparing her to her megastar father. Bless her\nEDIT: saddened to read of her untimely passing this evening. May she finally have the peace she so desperately longed for. ❤️ Love to Priscilla Her heart must be in pieces.",
">\n\nAnd her son committed suicide",
">\n\nOh no, she was just at the Golden Globes w her mother. Paramedics had to regain a pulse - I’m not sure how that exactly translates or the specifics but I really hope she recovers.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI just read she’s in critical condition on life support and in an induced coma. She had been complaining of stomach pains since Tuesday. She was given a shot of epinephrine to restore her pulse.",
">\n\nAll normal procedures. We give epi every 4 minutes during an arrest until we get a pulse or pronounce. I gave 3 on the last arrest I worked.",
">\n\nTotally off topic but if someone goes into anaphylactic shock and throat closes up is it the same stuff? The epi?",
">\n\nYes. Epinephrine = Adrenalin",
">\n\nNo, it’s not the same exact stuff. There’s cardiac epi and anaphylactic epi.",
">\n\nPer the latest update, she passed away",
">\n\n54 is so incredibly young….RIP LMP :(",
">\n\nThis makes me sad. I do hope she's able to recover.",
">\n\nOh shit! Hopefully she'll be fine.",
">\n\nShe died 😢",
">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too. Hope she will be okay🙏",
">\n\nTMZ is reporting that she’s on life support."
] |
>
Wasn't she at the globes last night? | [
"People magazine is reporting that she has died.",
">\n\nJust saw it on the news at the bar, reporting dead. Sad how sometimes history repeats itself in odd ways",
">\n\nI wouldn't call it \"odd\", considering heart issues can be genetic, she has a history of multiple drug abuse, has been dealing with grief for the past two years, and has shown signs of being physically weak in the last months.\nI get what you're saying, but this doesn't come off like some horribly odd tragedy, it comes off like a horribly preventable tragedy.",
">\n\nHow does this come off as “preventable”?",
">\n\nDrugs are bad mmmkay",
">\n\nPriscilla has made a statement saying Lisa Marie passed. RIP.",
">\n\nFirst her husband, grandson, and now her daughter. No one deserves to lose that many people in their life.",
">\n\nIf you live long enough, you're going to lose a lot of loved ones. Priscilla is 77.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI highly doubt he was without oxygen for 9 minutes considering how many medical personnel were there. Cpr was started within 2-3 minutes and we give oxygen and breaths during cpr.",
">\n\nRight, but he was still getting oxygen in that time (forced into him by medical responders using a bvm - bag valve mask)",
">\n\nThis. From what I've read, so taking with a grain of salt, the body generally has a couple minutes worth of oxygenated blood when these cardiac events happen, so the amount of time Damar was without oxygen/blood circulation would be very minimal. He was also getting about the best emergency medical attention an American could get, with two dozen+ medical professionals on-site.",
">\n\nI stumbled on this story because I just finished the Elvis movie last night and wanted to see how she was doing 😔",
">\n\nhow was the movie? I've been meaning to see it.",
">\n\nIt's... Ok.\nThe guy who plays Elvis is awesome (and was very funny/charming on a recent SNL episode.)\nBut then in strolls Tom Hanks looking and acting like more a cartoon character than he did in Polar Express. Hanks performance doesn't really work, and it's a bit of a mess. It also suffers from the Baz Luhrman problem where he inserts hip-hop in to eras that don't call for it. There's some really weird remixing of Elvis songs going on.\nOverall I'd give it a 2.5 out of 5.",
">\n\nI imagine Hanks' performance can also be due to Luhrmann's direction. Moulin Rouge is actually in my top 5 favorite movies (hush) and most of the characters in it are as you described Hanks as being. And I think it works fine in Moulin Rouge, but it sounds bad for a biopic. Still want to see it, though.",
">\n\nIt's a good film and there was nothing wrong with Hanks' performance.",
">\n\nGood to know. I'm a bit of a Luhrmann completionist, but I fully recognize his faults and missteps (Australia was haaaaard to sit through) and it was easy to picture Hanks with cartooney vibes. I think I'll actually watch it tonight, it keeps falling off my radar.",
">\n\nI think people don't realize that the person Hanks portrays in it was pretty cartoonish in real life.\nI think it was spot on representative of what the Colonel was actually like.\nI'm also a huge fan of Luhrmann so I suppose I could also be slightly biased but the hate it's getting here is pretty silly.",
">\n\nI honestly don’t know much about Elvis, most of what I know comes from Uncle Jesse on Full House. I’ll go into the movie with an open mind.\nAnd I just read that Lisa Marie unfortunately passed. Kind of going to feel weird watching the movie tonight… May she rest in peace.",
">\n\nWell, fuck. that's not good.",
">\n\nPricilla has just announced that Lisa Marie has passed away.",
">\n\nit was not good",
">\n\nI was sad reading this. Her life hasn't been easy and she seems physically unwell in the interview at the Golden Globes - (referring to the part when she asks the gentleman she is with if she can hold his arm).",
">\n\nShe didn’t look to good in this interview too",
">\n\nPulling for her. She’s had a harder life than many believe. Never got real privacy, battled her demons in-front of the world who never will stop comparing her to her megastar father. Bless her\nEDIT: saddened to read of her untimely passing this evening. May she finally have the peace she so desperately longed for. ❤️ Love to Priscilla Her heart must be in pieces.",
">\n\nAnd her son committed suicide",
">\n\nOh no, she was just at the Golden Globes w her mother. Paramedics had to regain a pulse - I’m not sure how that exactly translates or the specifics but I really hope she recovers.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI just read she’s in critical condition on life support and in an induced coma. She had been complaining of stomach pains since Tuesday. She was given a shot of epinephrine to restore her pulse.",
">\n\nAll normal procedures. We give epi every 4 minutes during an arrest until we get a pulse or pronounce. I gave 3 on the last arrest I worked.",
">\n\nTotally off topic but if someone goes into anaphylactic shock and throat closes up is it the same stuff? The epi?",
">\n\nYes. Epinephrine = Adrenalin",
">\n\nNo, it’s not the same exact stuff. There’s cardiac epi and anaphylactic epi.",
">\n\nPer the latest update, she passed away",
">\n\n54 is so incredibly young….RIP LMP :(",
">\n\nThis makes me sad. I do hope she's able to recover.",
">\n\nOh shit! Hopefully she'll be fine.",
">\n\nShe died 😢",
">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too. Hope she will be okay🙏",
">\n\nTMZ is reporting that she’s on life support.",
">\n\nDamn. She passed. RIP."
] |
>
2 nights ago, but yes. | [
"People magazine is reporting that she has died.",
">\n\nJust saw it on the news at the bar, reporting dead. Sad how sometimes history repeats itself in odd ways",
">\n\nI wouldn't call it \"odd\", considering heart issues can be genetic, she has a history of multiple drug abuse, has been dealing with grief for the past two years, and has shown signs of being physically weak in the last months.\nI get what you're saying, but this doesn't come off like some horribly odd tragedy, it comes off like a horribly preventable tragedy.",
">\n\nHow does this come off as “preventable”?",
">\n\nDrugs are bad mmmkay",
">\n\nPriscilla has made a statement saying Lisa Marie passed. RIP.",
">\n\nFirst her husband, grandson, and now her daughter. No one deserves to lose that many people in their life.",
">\n\nIf you live long enough, you're going to lose a lot of loved ones. Priscilla is 77.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI highly doubt he was without oxygen for 9 minutes considering how many medical personnel were there. Cpr was started within 2-3 minutes and we give oxygen and breaths during cpr.",
">\n\nRight, but he was still getting oxygen in that time (forced into him by medical responders using a bvm - bag valve mask)",
">\n\nThis. From what I've read, so taking with a grain of salt, the body generally has a couple minutes worth of oxygenated blood when these cardiac events happen, so the amount of time Damar was without oxygen/blood circulation would be very minimal. He was also getting about the best emergency medical attention an American could get, with two dozen+ medical professionals on-site.",
">\n\nI stumbled on this story because I just finished the Elvis movie last night and wanted to see how she was doing 😔",
">\n\nhow was the movie? I've been meaning to see it.",
">\n\nIt's... Ok.\nThe guy who plays Elvis is awesome (and was very funny/charming on a recent SNL episode.)\nBut then in strolls Tom Hanks looking and acting like more a cartoon character than he did in Polar Express. Hanks performance doesn't really work, and it's a bit of a mess. It also suffers from the Baz Luhrman problem where he inserts hip-hop in to eras that don't call for it. There's some really weird remixing of Elvis songs going on.\nOverall I'd give it a 2.5 out of 5.",
">\n\nI imagine Hanks' performance can also be due to Luhrmann's direction. Moulin Rouge is actually in my top 5 favorite movies (hush) and most of the characters in it are as you described Hanks as being. And I think it works fine in Moulin Rouge, but it sounds bad for a biopic. Still want to see it, though.",
">\n\nIt's a good film and there was nothing wrong with Hanks' performance.",
">\n\nGood to know. I'm a bit of a Luhrmann completionist, but I fully recognize his faults and missteps (Australia was haaaaard to sit through) and it was easy to picture Hanks with cartooney vibes. I think I'll actually watch it tonight, it keeps falling off my radar.",
">\n\nI think people don't realize that the person Hanks portrays in it was pretty cartoonish in real life.\nI think it was spot on representative of what the Colonel was actually like.\nI'm also a huge fan of Luhrmann so I suppose I could also be slightly biased but the hate it's getting here is pretty silly.",
">\n\nI honestly don’t know much about Elvis, most of what I know comes from Uncle Jesse on Full House. I’ll go into the movie with an open mind.\nAnd I just read that Lisa Marie unfortunately passed. Kind of going to feel weird watching the movie tonight… May she rest in peace.",
">\n\nWell, fuck. that's not good.",
">\n\nPricilla has just announced that Lisa Marie has passed away.",
">\n\nit was not good",
">\n\nI was sad reading this. Her life hasn't been easy and she seems physically unwell in the interview at the Golden Globes - (referring to the part when she asks the gentleman she is with if she can hold his arm).",
">\n\nShe didn’t look to good in this interview too",
">\n\nPulling for her. She’s had a harder life than many believe. Never got real privacy, battled her demons in-front of the world who never will stop comparing her to her megastar father. Bless her\nEDIT: saddened to read of her untimely passing this evening. May she finally have the peace she so desperately longed for. ❤️ Love to Priscilla Her heart must be in pieces.",
">\n\nAnd her son committed suicide",
">\n\nOh no, she was just at the Golden Globes w her mother. Paramedics had to regain a pulse - I’m not sure how that exactly translates or the specifics but I really hope she recovers.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI just read she’s in critical condition on life support and in an induced coma. She had been complaining of stomach pains since Tuesday. She was given a shot of epinephrine to restore her pulse.",
">\n\nAll normal procedures. We give epi every 4 minutes during an arrest until we get a pulse or pronounce. I gave 3 on the last arrest I worked.",
">\n\nTotally off topic but if someone goes into anaphylactic shock and throat closes up is it the same stuff? The epi?",
">\n\nYes. Epinephrine = Adrenalin",
">\n\nNo, it’s not the same exact stuff. There’s cardiac epi and anaphylactic epi.",
">\n\nPer the latest update, she passed away",
">\n\n54 is so incredibly young….RIP LMP :(",
">\n\nThis makes me sad. I do hope she's able to recover.",
">\n\nOh shit! Hopefully she'll be fine.",
">\n\nShe died 😢",
">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too. Hope she will be okay🙏",
">\n\nTMZ is reporting that she’s on life support.",
">\n\nDamn. She passed. RIP.",
">\n\nWasn't she at the globes last night?"
] |
>
So sad. Her poor mother. | [
"People magazine is reporting that she has died.",
">\n\nJust saw it on the news at the bar, reporting dead. Sad how sometimes history repeats itself in odd ways",
">\n\nI wouldn't call it \"odd\", considering heart issues can be genetic, she has a history of multiple drug abuse, has been dealing with grief for the past two years, and has shown signs of being physically weak in the last months.\nI get what you're saying, but this doesn't come off like some horribly odd tragedy, it comes off like a horribly preventable tragedy.",
">\n\nHow does this come off as “preventable”?",
">\n\nDrugs are bad mmmkay",
">\n\nPriscilla has made a statement saying Lisa Marie passed. RIP.",
">\n\nFirst her husband, grandson, and now her daughter. No one deserves to lose that many people in their life.",
">\n\nIf you live long enough, you're going to lose a lot of loved ones. Priscilla is 77.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI highly doubt he was without oxygen for 9 minutes considering how many medical personnel were there. Cpr was started within 2-3 minutes and we give oxygen and breaths during cpr.",
">\n\nRight, but he was still getting oxygen in that time (forced into him by medical responders using a bvm - bag valve mask)",
">\n\nThis. From what I've read, so taking with a grain of salt, the body generally has a couple minutes worth of oxygenated blood when these cardiac events happen, so the amount of time Damar was without oxygen/blood circulation would be very minimal. He was also getting about the best emergency medical attention an American could get, with two dozen+ medical professionals on-site.",
">\n\nI stumbled on this story because I just finished the Elvis movie last night and wanted to see how she was doing 😔",
">\n\nhow was the movie? I've been meaning to see it.",
">\n\nIt's... Ok.\nThe guy who plays Elvis is awesome (and was very funny/charming on a recent SNL episode.)\nBut then in strolls Tom Hanks looking and acting like more a cartoon character than he did in Polar Express. Hanks performance doesn't really work, and it's a bit of a mess. It also suffers from the Baz Luhrman problem where he inserts hip-hop in to eras that don't call for it. There's some really weird remixing of Elvis songs going on.\nOverall I'd give it a 2.5 out of 5.",
">\n\nI imagine Hanks' performance can also be due to Luhrmann's direction. Moulin Rouge is actually in my top 5 favorite movies (hush) and most of the characters in it are as you described Hanks as being. And I think it works fine in Moulin Rouge, but it sounds bad for a biopic. Still want to see it, though.",
">\n\nIt's a good film and there was nothing wrong with Hanks' performance.",
">\n\nGood to know. I'm a bit of a Luhrmann completionist, but I fully recognize his faults and missteps (Australia was haaaaard to sit through) and it was easy to picture Hanks with cartooney vibes. I think I'll actually watch it tonight, it keeps falling off my radar.",
">\n\nI think people don't realize that the person Hanks portrays in it was pretty cartoonish in real life.\nI think it was spot on representative of what the Colonel was actually like.\nI'm also a huge fan of Luhrmann so I suppose I could also be slightly biased but the hate it's getting here is pretty silly.",
">\n\nI honestly don’t know much about Elvis, most of what I know comes from Uncle Jesse on Full House. I’ll go into the movie with an open mind.\nAnd I just read that Lisa Marie unfortunately passed. Kind of going to feel weird watching the movie tonight… May she rest in peace.",
">\n\nWell, fuck. that's not good.",
">\n\nPricilla has just announced that Lisa Marie has passed away.",
">\n\nit was not good",
">\n\nI was sad reading this. Her life hasn't been easy and she seems physically unwell in the interview at the Golden Globes - (referring to the part when she asks the gentleman she is with if she can hold his arm).",
">\n\nShe didn’t look to good in this interview too",
">\n\nPulling for her. She’s had a harder life than many believe. Never got real privacy, battled her demons in-front of the world who never will stop comparing her to her megastar father. Bless her\nEDIT: saddened to read of her untimely passing this evening. May she finally have the peace she so desperately longed for. ❤️ Love to Priscilla Her heart must be in pieces.",
">\n\nAnd her son committed suicide",
">\n\nOh no, she was just at the Golden Globes w her mother. Paramedics had to regain a pulse - I’m not sure how that exactly translates or the specifics but I really hope she recovers.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI just read she’s in critical condition on life support and in an induced coma. She had been complaining of stomach pains since Tuesday. She was given a shot of epinephrine to restore her pulse.",
">\n\nAll normal procedures. We give epi every 4 minutes during an arrest until we get a pulse or pronounce. I gave 3 on the last arrest I worked.",
">\n\nTotally off topic but if someone goes into anaphylactic shock and throat closes up is it the same stuff? The epi?",
">\n\nYes. Epinephrine = Adrenalin",
">\n\nNo, it’s not the same exact stuff. There’s cardiac epi and anaphylactic epi.",
">\n\nPer the latest update, she passed away",
">\n\n54 is so incredibly young….RIP LMP :(",
">\n\nThis makes me sad. I do hope she's able to recover.",
">\n\nOh shit! Hopefully she'll be fine.",
">\n\nShe died 😢",
">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too. Hope she will be okay🙏",
">\n\nTMZ is reporting that she’s on life support.",
">\n\nDamn. She passed. RIP.",
">\n\nWasn't she at the globes last night?",
">\n\n2 nights ago, but yes."
] |
>
Crazy. She was at the freaking Globes, just surreal. I'm glad she saw Austin win. What a life she had! | [
"People magazine is reporting that she has died.",
">\n\nJust saw it on the news at the bar, reporting dead. Sad how sometimes history repeats itself in odd ways",
">\n\nI wouldn't call it \"odd\", considering heart issues can be genetic, she has a history of multiple drug abuse, has been dealing with grief for the past two years, and has shown signs of being physically weak in the last months.\nI get what you're saying, but this doesn't come off like some horribly odd tragedy, it comes off like a horribly preventable tragedy.",
">\n\nHow does this come off as “preventable”?",
">\n\nDrugs are bad mmmkay",
">\n\nPriscilla has made a statement saying Lisa Marie passed. RIP.",
">\n\nFirst her husband, grandson, and now her daughter. No one deserves to lose that many people in their life.",
">\n\nIf you live long enough, you're going to lose a lot of loved ones. Priscilla is 77.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI highly doubt he was without oxygen for 9 minutes considering how many medical personnel were there. Cpr was started within 2-3 minutes and we give oxygen and breaths during cpr.",
">\n\nRight, but he was still getting oxygen in that time (forced into him by medical responders using a bvm - bag valve mask)",
">\n\nThis. From what I've read, so taking with a grain of salt, the body generally has a couple minutes worth of oxygenated blood when these cardiac events happen, so the amount of time Damar was without oxygen/blood circulation would be very minimal. He was also getting about the best emergency medical attention an American could get, with two dozen+ medical professionals on-site.",
">\n\nI stumbled on this story because I just finished the Elvis movie last night and wanted to see how she was doing 😔",
">\n\nhow was the movie? I've been meaning to see it.",
">\n\nIt's... Ok.\nThe guy who plays Elvis is awesome (and was very funny/charming on a recent SNL episode.)\nBut then in strolls Tom Hanks looking and acting like more a cartoon character than he did in Polar Express. Hanks performance doesn't really work, and it's a bit of a mess. It also suffers from the Baz Luhrman problem where he inserts hip-hop in to eras that don't call for it. There's some really weird remixing of Elvis songs going on.\nOverall I'd give it a 2.5 out of 5.",
">\n\nI imagine Hanks' performance can also be due to Luhrmann's direction. Moulin Rouge is actually in my top 5 favorite movies (hush) and most of the characters in it are as you described Hanks as being. And I think it works fine in Moulin Rouge, but it sounds bad for a biopic. Still want to see it, though.",
">\n\nIt's a good film and there was nothing wrong with Hanks' performance.",
">\n\nGood to know. I'm a bit of a Luhrmann completionist, but I fully recognize his faults and missteps (Australia was haaaaard to sit through) and it was easy to picture Hanks with cartooney vibes. I think I'll actually watch it tonight, it keeps falling off my radar.",
">\n\nI think people don't realize that the person Hanks portrays in it was pretty cartoonish in real life.\nI think it was spot on representative of what the Colonel was actually like.\nI'm also a huge fan of Luhrmann so I suppose I could also be slightly biased but the hate it's getting here is pretty silly.",
">\n\nI honestly don’t know much about Elvis, most of what I know comes from Uncle Jesse on Full House. I’ll go into the movie with an open mind.\nAnd I just read that Lisa Marie unfortunately passed. Kind of going to feel weird watching the movie tonight… May she rest in peace.",
">\n\nWell, fuck. that's not good.",
">\n\nPricilla has just announced that Lisa Marie has passed away.",
">\n\nit was not good",
">\n\nI was sad reading this. Her life hasn't been easy and she seems physically unwell in the interview at the Golden Globes - (referring to the part when she asks the gentleman she is with if she can hold his arm).",
">\n\nShe didn’t look to good in this interview too",
">\n\nPulling for her. She’s had a harder life than many believe. Never got real privacy, battled her demons in-front of the world who never will stop comparing her to her megastar father. Bless her\nEDIT: saddened to read of her untimely passing this evening. May she finally have the peace she so desperately longed for. ❤️ Love to Priscilla Her heart must be in pieces.",
">\n\nAnd her son committed suicide",
">\n\nOh no, she was just at the Golden Globes w her mother. Paramedics had to regain a pulse - I’m not sure how that exactly translates or the specifics but I really hope she recovers.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI just read she’s in critical condition on life support and in an induced coma. She had been complaining of stomach pains since Tuesday. She was given a shot of epinephrine to restore her pulse.",
">\n\nAll normal procedures. We give epi every 4 minutes during an arrest until we get a pulse or pronounce. I gave 3 on the last arrest I worked.",
">\n\nTotally off topic but if someone goes into anaphylactic shock and throat closes up is it the same stuff? The epi?",
">\n\nYes. Epinephrine = Adrenalin",
">\n\nNo, it’s not the same exact stuff. There’s cardiac epi and anaphylactic epi.",
">\n\nPer the latest update, she passed away",
">\n\n54 is so incredibly young….RIP LMP :(",
">\n\nThis makes me sad. I do hope she's able to recover.",
">\n\nOh shit! Hopefully she'll be fine.",
">\n\nShe died 😢",
">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too. Hope she will be okay🙏",
">\n\nTMZ is reporting that she’s on life support.",
">\n\nDamn. She passed. RIP.",
">\n\nWasn't she at the globes last night?",
">\n\n2 nights ago, but yes.",
">\n\nSo sad. Her poor mother."
] |
>
I hope she's ok. She always seemed like a decent person.
I'm sure being a nepo baby provides a lot of opportunities, but it probably also comes with enormous unwanted pressure to live up to your parents or at least accomplish something great. Being the daughter of Elvis could not have been easy. | [
"People magazine is reporting that she has died.",
">\n\nJust saw it on the news at the bar, reporting dead. Sad how sometimes history repeats itself in odd ways",
">\n\nI wouldn't call it \"odd\", considering heart issues can be genetic, she has a history of multiple drug abuse, has been dealing with grief for the past two years, and has shown signs of being physically weak in the last months.\nI get what you're saying, but this doesn't come off like some horribly odd tragedy, it comes off like a horribly preventable tragedy.",
">\n\nHow does this come off as “preventable”?",
">\n\nDrugs are bad mmmkay",
">\n\nPriscilla has made a statement saying Lisa Marie passed. RIP.",
">\n\nFirst her husband, grandson, and now her daughter. No one deserves to lose that many people in their life.",
">\n\nIf you live long enough, you're going to lose a lot of loved ones. Priscilla is 77.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI highly doubt he was without oxygen for 9 minutes considering how many medical personnel were there. Cpr was started within 2-3 minutes and we give oxygen and breaths during cpr.",
">\n\nRight, but he was still getting oxygen in that time (forced into him by medical responders using a bvm - bag valve mask)",
">\n\nThis. From what I've read, so taking with a grain of salt, the body generally has a couple minutes worth of oxygenated blood when these cardiac events happen, so the amount of time Damar was without oxygen/blood circulation would be very minimal. He was also getting about the best emergency medical attention an American could get, with two dozen+ medical professionals on-site.",
">\n\nI stumbled on this story because I just finished the Elvis movie last night and wanted to see how she was doing 😔",
">\n\nhow was the movie? I've been meaning to see it.",
">\n\nIt's... Ok.\nThe guy who plays Elvis is awesome (and was very funny/charming on a recent SNL episode.)\nBut then in strolls Tom Hanks looking and acting like more a cartoon character than he did in Polar Express. Hanks performance doesn't really work, and it's a bit of a mess. It also suffers from the Baz Luhrman problem where he inserts hip-hop in to eras that don't call for it. There's some really weird remixing of Elvis songs going on.\nOverall I'd give it a 2.5 out of 5.",
">\n\nI imagine Hanks' performance can also be due to Luhrmann's direction. Moulin Rouge is actually in my top 5 favorite movies (hush) and most of the characters in it are as you described Hanks as being. And I think it works fine in Moulin Rouge, but it sounds bad for a biopic. Still want to see it, though.",
">\n\nIt's a good film and there was nothing wrong with Hanks' performance.",
">\n\nGood to know. I'm a bit of a Luhrmann completionist, but I fully recognize his faults and missteps (Australia was haaaaard to sit through) and it was easy to picture Hanks with cartooney vibes. I think I'll actually watch it tonight, it keeps falling off my radar.",
">\n\nI think people don't realize that the person Hanks portrays in it was pretty cartoonish in real life.\nI think it was spot on representative of what the Colonel was actually like.\nI'm also a huge fan of Luhrmann so I suppose I could also be slightly biased but the hate it's getting here is pretty silly.",
">\n\nI honestly don’t know much about Elvis, most of what I know comes from Uncle Jesse on Full House. I’ll go into the movie with an open mind.\nAnd I just read that Lisa Marie unfortunately passed. Kind of going to feel weird watching the movie tonight… May she rest in peace.",
">\n\nWell, fuck. that's not good.",
">\n\nPricilla has just announced that Lisa Marie has passed away.",
">\n\nit was not good",
">\n\nI was sad reading this. Her life hasn't been easy and she seems physically unwell in the interview at the Golden Globes - (referring to the part when she asks the gentleman she is with if she can hold his arm).",
">\n\nShe didn’t look to good in this interview too",
">\n\nPulling for her. She’s had a harder life than many believe. Never got real privacy, battled her demons in-front of the world who never will stop comparing her to her megastar father. Bless her\nEDIT: saddened to read of her untimely passing this evening. May she finally have the peace she so desperately longed for. ❤️ Love to Priscilla Her heart must be in pieces.",
">\n\nAnd her son committed suicide",
">\n\nOh no, she was just at the Golden Globes w her mother. Paramedics had to regain a pulse - I’m not sure how that exactly translates or the specifics but I really hope she recovers.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI just read she’s in critical condition on life support and in an induced coma. She had been complaining of stomach pains since Tuesday. She was given a shot of epinephrine to restore her pulse.",
">\n\nAll normal procedures. We give epi every 4 minutes during an arrest until we get a pulse or pronounce. I gave 3 on the last arrest I worked.",
">\n\nTotally off topic but if someone goes into anaphylactic shock and throat closes up is it the same stuff? The epi?",
">\n\nYes. Epinephrine = Adrenalin",
">\n\nNo, it’s not the same exact stuff. There’s cardiac epi and anaphylactic epi.",
">\n\nPer the latest update, she passed away",
">\n\n54 is so incredibly young….RIP LMP :(",
">\n\nThis makes me sad. I do hope she's able to recover.",
">\n\nOh shit! Hopefully she'll be fine.",
">\n\nShe died 😢",
">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too. Hope she will be okay🙏",
">\n\nTMZ is reporting that she’s on life support.",
">\n\nDamn. She passed. RIP.",
">\n\nWasn't she at the globes last night?",
">\n\n2 nights ago, but yes.",
">\n\nSo sad. Her poor mother.",
">\n\nCrazy. She was at the freaking Globes, just surreal. I'm glad she saw Austin win. What a life she had!"
] |
>
In addition, her son committed suicide in 2020 and then she went through a divorce in 2021 from a long marriage. Her life sounds painful, but that's just my speculation. | [
"People magazine is reporting that she has died.",
">\n\nJust saw it on the news at the bar, reporting dead. Sad how sometimes history repeats itself in odd ways",
">\n\nI wouldn't call it \"odd\", considering heart issues can be genetic, she has a history of multiple drug abuse, has been dealing with grief for the past two years, and has shown signs of being physically weak in the last months.\nI get what you're saying, but this doesn't come off like some horribly odd tragedy, it comes off like a horribly preventable tragedy.",
">\n\nHow does this come off as “preventable”?",
">\n\nDrugs are bad mmmkay",
">\n\nPriscilla has made a statement saying Lisa Marie passed. RIP.",
">\n\nFirst her husband, grandson, and now her daughter. No one deserves to lose that many people in their life.",
">\n\nIf you live long enough, you're going to lose a lot of loved ones. Priscilla is 77.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI highly doubt he was without oxygen for 9 minutes considering how many medical personnel were there. Cpr was started within 2-3 minutes and we give oxygen and breaths during cpr.",
">\n\nRight, but he was still getting oxygen in that time (forced into him by medical responders using a bvm - bag valve mask)",
">\n\nThis. From what I've read, so taking with a grain of salt, the body generally has a couple minutes worth of oxygenated blood when these cardiac events happen, so the amount of time Damar was without oxygen/blood circulation would be very minimal. He was also getting about the best emergency medical attention an American could get, with two dozen+ medical professionals on-site.",
">\n\nI stumbled on this story because I just finished the Elvis movie last night and wanted to see how she was doing 😔",
">\n\nhow was the movie? I've been meaning to see it.",
">\n\nIt's... Ok.\nThe guy who plays Elvis is awesome (and was very funny/charming on a recent SNL episode.)\nBut then in strolls Tom Hanks looking and acting like more a cartoon character than he did in Polar Express. Hanks performance doesn't really work, and it's a bit of a mess. It also suffers from the Baz Luhrman problem where he inserts hip-hop in to eras that don't call for it. There's some really weird remixing of Elvis songs going on.\nOverall I'd give it a 2.5 out of 5.",
">\n\nI imagine Hanks' performance can also be due to Luhrmann's direction. Moulin Rouge is actually in my top 5 favorite movies (hush) and most of the characters in it are as you described Hanks as being. And I think it works fine in Moulin Rouge, but it sounds bad for a biopic. Still want to see it, though.",
">\n\nIt's a good film and there was nothing wrong with Hanks' performance.",
">\n\nGood to know. I'm a bit of a Luhrmann completionist, but I fully recognize his faults and missteps (Australia was haaaaard to sit through) and it was easy to picture Hanks with cartooney vibes. I think I'll actually watch it tonight, it keeps falling off my radar.",
">\n\nI think people don't realize that the person Hanks portrays in it was pretty cartoonish in real life.\nI think it was spot on representative of what the Colonel was actually like.\nI'm also a huge fan of Luhrmann so I suppose I could also be slightly biased but the hate it's getting here is pretty silly.",
">\n\nI honestly don’t know much about Elvis, most of what I know comes from Uncle Jesse on Full House. I’ll go into the movie with an open mind.\nAnd I just read that Lisa Marie unfortunately passed. Kind of going to feel weird watching the movie tonight… May she rest in peace.",
">\n\nWell, fuck. that's not good.",
">\n\nPricilla has just announced that Lisa Marie has passed away.",
">\n\nit was not good",
">\n\nI was sad reading this. Her life hasn't been easy and she seems physically unwell in the interview at the Golden Globes - (referring to the part when she asks the gentleman she is with if she can hold his arm).",
">\n\nShe didn’t look to good in this interview too",
">\n\nPulling for her. She’s had a harder life than many believe. Never got real privacy, battled her demons in-front of the world who never will stop comparing her to her megastar father. Bless her\nEDIT: saddened to read of her untimely passing this evening. May she finally have the peace she so desperately longed for. ❤️ Love to Priscilla Her heart must be in pieces.",
">\n\nAnd her son committed suicide",
">\n\nOh no, she was just at the Golden Globes w her mother. Paramedics had to regain a pulse - I’m not sure how that exactly translates or the specifics but I really hope she recovers.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI just read she’s in critical condition on life support and in an induced coma. She had been complaining of stomach pains since Tuesday. She was given a shot of epinephrine to restore her pulse.",
">\n\nAll normal procedures. We give epi every 4 minutes during an arrest until we get a pulse or pronounce. I gave 3 on the last arrest I worked.",
">\n\nTotally off topic but if someone goes into anaphylactic shock and throat closes up is it the same stuff? The epi?",
">\n\nYes. Epinephrine = Adrenalin",
">\n\nNo, it’s not the same exact stuff. There’s cardiac epi and anaphylactic epi.",
">\n\nPer the latest update, she passed away",
">\n\n54 is so incredibly young….RIP LMP :(",
">\n\nThis makes me sad. I do hope she's able to recover.",
">\n\nOh shit! Hopefully she'll be fine.",
">\n\nShe died 😢",
">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too. Hope she will be okay🙏",
">\n\nTMZ is reporting that she’s on life support.",
">\n\nDamn. She passed. RIP.",
">\n\nWasn't she at the globes last night?",
">\n\n2 nights ago, but yes.",
">\n\nSo sad. Her poor mother.",
">\n\nCrazy. She was at the freaking Globes, just surreal. I'm glad she saw Austin win. What a life she had!",
">\n\nI hope she's ok. She always seemed like a decent person.\nI'm sure being a nepo baby provides a lot of opportunities, but it probably also comes with enormous unwanted pressure to live up to your parents or at least accomplish something great. Being the daughter of Elvis could not have been easy."
] |
>
Smh, the two comments on the linked article:
”Pfizer strikes again” and “Wonder if she had the clot shot...............................” | [
"People magazine is reporting that she has died.",
">\n\nJust saw it on the news at the bar, reporting dead. Sad how sometimes history repeats itself in odd ways",
">\n\nI wouldn't call it \"odd\", considering heart issues can be genetic, she has a history of multiple drug abuse, has been dealing with grief for the past two years, and has shown signs of being physically weak in the last months.\nI get what you're saying, but this doesn't come off like some horribly odd tragedy, it comes off like a horribly preventable tragedy.",
">\n\nHow does this come off as “preventable”?",
">\n\nDrugs are bad mmmkay",
">\n\nPriscilla has made a statement saying Lisa Marie passed. RIP.",
">\n\nFirst her husband, grandson, and now her daughter. No one deserves to lose that many people in their life.",
">\n\nIf you live long enough, you're going to lose a lot of loved ones. Priscilla is 77.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI highly doubt he was without oxygen for 9 minutes considering how many medical personnel were there. Cpr was started within 2-3 minutes and we give oxygen and breaths during cpr.",
">\n\nRight, but he was still getting oxygen in that time (forced into him by medical responders using a bvm - bag valve mask)",
">\n\nThis. From what I've read, so taking with a grain of salt, the body generally has a couple minutes worth of oxygenated blood when these cardiac events happen, so the amount of time Damar was without oxygen/blood circulation would be very minimal. He was also getting about the best emergency medical attention an American could get, with two dozen+ medical professionals on-site.",
">\n\nI stumbled on this story because I just finished the Elvis movie last night and wanted to see how she was doing 😔",
">\n\nhow was the movie? I've been meaning to see it.",
">\n\nIt's... Ok.\nThe guy who plays Elvis is awesome (and was very funny/charming on a recent SNL episode.)\nBut then in strolls Tom Hanks looking and acting like more a cartoon character than he did in Polar Express. Hanks performance doesn't really work, and it's a bit of a mess. It also suffers from the Baz Luhrman problem where he inserts hip-hop in to eras that don't call for it. There's some really weird remixing of Elvis songs going on.\nOverall I'd give it a 2.5 out of 5.",
">\n\nI imagine Hanks' performance can also be due to Luhrmann's direction. Moulin Rouge is actually in my top 5 favorite movies (hush) and most of the characters in it are as you described Hanks as being. And I think it works fine in Moulin Rouge, but it sounds bad for a biopic. Still want to see it, though.",
">\n\nIt's a good film and there was nothing wrong with Hanks' performance.",
">\n\nGood to know. I'm a bit of a Luhrmann completionist, but I fully recognize his faults and missteps (Australia was haaaaard to sit through) and it was easy to picture Hanks with cartooney vibes. I think I'll actually watch it tonight, it keeps falling off my radar.",
">\n\nI think people don't realize that the person Hanks portrays in it was pretty cartoonish in real life.\nI think it was spot on representative of what the Colonel was actually like.\nI'm also a huge fan of Luhrmann so I suppose I could also be slightly biased but the hate it's getting here is pretty silly.",
">\n\nI honestly don’t know much about Elvis, most of what I know comes from Uncle Jesse on Full House. I’ll go into the movie with an open mind.\nAnd I just read that Lisa Marie unfortunately passed. Kind of going to feel weird watching the movie tonight… May she rest in peace.",
">\n\nWell, fuck. that's not good.",
">\n\nPricilla has just announced that Lisa Marie has passed away.",
">\n\nit was not good",
">\n\nI was sad reading this. Her life hasn't been easy and she seems physically unwell in the interview at the Golden Globes - (referring to the part when she asks the gentleman she is with if she can hold his arm).",
">\n\nShe didn’t look to good in this interview too",
">\n\nPulling for her. She’s had a harder life than many believe. Never got real privacy, battled her demons in-front of the world who never will stop comparing her to her megastar father. Bless her\nEDIT: saddened to read of her untimely passing this evening. May she finally have the peace she so desperately longed for. ❤️ Love to Priscilla Her heart must be in pieces.",
">\n\nAnd her son committed suicide",
">\n\nOh no, she was just at the Golden Globes w her mother. Paramedics had to regain a pulse - I’m not sure how that exactly translates or the specifics but I really hope she recovers.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI just read she’s in critical condition on life support and in an induced coma. She had been complaining of stomach pains since Tuesday. She was given a shot of epinephrine to restore her pulse.",
">\n\nAll normal procedures. We give epi every 4 minutes during an arrest until we get a pulse or pronounce. I gave 3 on the last arrest I worked.",
">\n\nTotally off topic but if someone goes into anaphylactic shock and throat closes up is it the same stuff? The epi?",
">\n\nYes. Epinephrine = Adrenalin",
">\n\nNo, it’s not the same exact stuff. There’s cardiac epi and anaphylactic epi.",
">\n\nPer the latest update, she passed away",
">\n\n54 is so incredibly young….RIP LMP :(",
">\n\nThis makes me sad. I do hope she's able to recover.",
">\n\nOh shit! Hopefully she'll be fine.",
">\n\nShe died 😢",
">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too. Hope she will be okay🙏",
">\n\nTMZ is reporting that she’s on life support.",
">\n\nDamn. She passed. RIP.",
">\n\nWasn't she at the globes last night?",
">\n\n2 nights ago, but yes.",
">\n\nSo sad. Her poor mother.",
">\n\nCrazy. She was at the freaking Globes, just surreal. I'm glad she saw Austin win. What a life she had!",
">\n\nI hope she's ok. She always seemed like a decent person.\nI'm sure being a nepo baby provides a lot of opportunities, but it probably also comes with enormous unwanted pressure to live up to your parents or at least accomplish something great. Being the daughter of Elvis could not have been easy.",
">\n\nIn addition, her son committed suicide in 2020 and then she went through a divorce in 2021 from a long marriage. Her life sounds painful, but that's just my speculation."
] |
>
She looks so blown out in this photo | [
"People magazine is reporting that she has died.",
">\n\nJust saw it on the news at the bar, reporting dead. Sad how sometimes history repeats itself in odd ways",
">\n\nI wouldn't call it \"odd\", considering heart issues can be genetic, she has a history of multiple drug abuse, has been dealing with grief for the past two years, and has shown signs of being physically weak in the last months.\nI get what you're saying, but this doesn't come off like some horribly odd tragedy, it comes off like a horribly preventable tragedy.",
">\n\nHow does this come off as “preventable”?",
">\n\nDrugs are bad mmmkay",
">\n\nPriscilla has made a statement saying Lisa Marie passed. RIP.",
">\n\nFirst her husband, grandson, and now her daughter. No one deserves to lose that many people in their life.",
">\n\nIf you live long enough, you're going to lose a lot of loved ones. Priscilla is 77.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI highly doubt he was without oxygen for 9 minutes considering how many medical personnel were there. Cpr was started within 2-3 minutes and we give oxygen and breaths during cpr.",
">\n\nRight, but he was still getting oxygen in that time (forced into him by medical responders using a bvm - bag valve mask)",
">\n\nThis. From what I've read, so taking with a grain of salt, the body generally has a couple minutes worth of oxygenated blood when these cardiac events happen, so the amount of time Damar was without oxygen/blood circulation would be very minimal. He was also getting about the best emergency medical attention an American could get, with two dozen+ medical professionals on-site.",
">\n\nI stumbled on this story because I just finished the Elvis movie last night and wanted to see how she was doing 😔",
">\n\nhow was the movie? I've been meaning to see it.",
">\n\nIt's... Ok.\nThe guy who plays Elvis is awesome (and was very funny/charming on a recent SNL episode.)\nBut then in strolls Tom Hanks looking and acting like more a cartoon character than he did in Polar Express. Hanks performance doesn't really work, and it's a bit of a mess. It also suffers from the Baz Luhrman problem where he inserts hip-hop in to eras that don't call for it. There's some really weird remixing of Elvis songs going on.\nOverall I'd give it a 2.5 out of 5.",
">\n\nI imagine Hanks' performance can also be due to Luhrmann's direction. Moulin Rouge is actually in my top 5 favorite movies (hush) and most of the characters in it are as you described Hanks as being. And I think it works fine in Moulin Rouge, but it sounds bad for a biopic. Still want to see it, though.",
">\n\nIt's a good film and there was nothing wrong with Hanks' performance.",
">\n\nGood to know. I'm a bit of a Luhrmann completionist, but I fully recognize his faults and missteps (Australia was haaaaard to sit through) and it was easy to picture Hanks with cartooney vibes. I think I'll actually watch it tonight, it keeps falling off my radar.",
">\n\nI think people don't realize that the person Hanks portrays in it was pretty cartoonish in real life.\nI think it was spot on representative of what the Colonel was actually like.\nI'm also a huge fan of Luhrmann so I suppose I could also be slightly biased but the hate it's getting here is pretty silly.",
">\n\nI honestly don’t know much about Elvis, most of what I know comes from Uncle Jesse on Full House. I’ll go into the movie with an open mind.\nAnd I just read that Lisa Marie unfortunately passed. Kind of going to feel weird watching the movie tonight… May she rest in peace.",
">\n\nWell, fuck. that's not good.",
">\n\nPricilla has just announced that Lisa Marie has passed away.",
">\n\nit was not good",
">\n\nI was sad reading this. Her life hasn't been easy and she seems physically unwell in the interview at the Golden Globes - (referring to the part when she asks the gentleman she is with if she can hold his arm).",
">\n\nShe didn’t look to good in this interview too",
">\n\nPulling for her. She’s had a harder life than many believe. Never got real privacy, battled her demons in-front of the world who never will stop comparing her to her megastar father. Bless her\nEDIT: saddened to read of her untimely passing this evening. May she finally have the peace she so desperately longed for. ❤️ Love to Priscilla Her heart must be in pieces.",
">\n\nAnd her son committed suicide",
">\n\nOh no, she was just at the Golden Globes w her mother. Paramedics had to regain a pulse - I’m not sure how that exactly translates or the specifics but I really hope she recovers.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI just read she’s in critical condition on life support and in an induced coma. She had been complaining of stomach pains since Tuesday. She was given a shot of epinephrine to restore her pulse.",
">\n\nAll normal procedures. We give epi every 4 minutes during an arrest until we get a pulse or pronounce. I gave 3 on the last arrest I worked.",
">\n\nTotally off topic but if someone goes into anaphylactic shock and throat closes up is it the same stuff? The epi?",
">\n\nYes. Epinephrine = Adrenalin",
">\n\nNo, it’s not the same exact stuff. There’s cardiac epi and anaphylactic epi.",
">\n\nPer the latest update, she passed away",
">\n\n54 is so incredibly young….RIP LMP :(",
">\n\nThis makes me sad. I do hope she's able to recover.",
">\n\nOh shit! Hopefully she'll be fine.",
">\n\nShe died 😢",
">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too. Hope she will be okay🙏",
">\n\nTMZ is reporting that she’s on life support.",
">\n\nDamn. She passed. RIP.",
">\n\nWasn't she at the globes last night?",
">\n\n2 nights ago, but yes.",
">\n\nSo sad. Her poor mother.",
">\n\nCrazy. She was at the freaking Globes, just surreal. I'm glad she saw Austin win. What a life she had!",
">\n\nI hope she's ok. She always seemed like a decent person.\nI'm sure being a nepo baby provides a lot of opportunities, but it probably also comes with enormous unwanted pressure to live up to your parents or at least accomplish something great. Being the daughter of Elvis could not have been easy.",
">\n\nIn addition, her son committed suicide in 2020 and then she went through a divorce in 2021 from a long marriage. Her life sounds painful, but that's just my speculation.",
">\n\nSmh, the two comments on the linked article:\n”Pfizer strikes again” and “Wonder if she had the clot shot...............................”"
] |
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vaccine, get your vaccine | [
"People magazine is reporting that she has died.",
">\n\nJust saw it on the news at the bar, reporting dead. Sad how sometimes history repeats itself in odd ways",
">\n\nI wouldn't call it \"odd\", considering heart issues can be genetic, she has a history of multiple drug abuse, has been dealing with grief for the past two years, and has shown signs of being physically weak in the last months.\nI get what you're saying, but this doesn't come off like some horribly odd tragedy, it comes off like a horribly preventable tragedy.",
">\n\nHow does this come off as “preventable”?",
">\n\nDrugs are bad mmmkay",
">\n\nPriscilla has made a statement saying Lisa Marie passed. RIP.",
">\n\nFirst her husband, grandson, and now her daughter. No one deserves to lose that many people in their life.",
">\n\nIf you live long enough, you're going to lose a lot of loved ones. Priscilla is 77.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI highly doubt he was without oxygen for 9 minutes considering how many medical personnel were there. Cpr was started within 2-3 minutes and we give oxygen and breaths during cpr.",
">\n\nRight, but he was still getting oxygen in that time (forced into him by medical responders using a bvm - bag valve mask)",
">\n\nThis. From what I've read, so taking with a grain of salt, the body generally has a couple minutes worth of oxygenated blood when these cardiac events happen, so the amount of time Damar was without oxygen/blood circulation would be very minimal. He was also getting about the best emergency medical attention an American could get, with two dozen+ medical professionals on-site.",
">\n\nI stumbled on this story because I just finished the Elvis movie last night and wanted to see how she was doing 😔",
">\n\nhow was the movie? I've been meaning to see it.",
">\n\nIt's... Ok.\nThe guy who plays Elvis is awesome (and was very funny/charming on a recent SNL episode.)\nBut then in strolls Tom Hanks looking and acting like more a cartoon character than he did in Polar Express. Hanks performance doesn't really work, and it's a bit of a mess. It also suffers from the Baz Luhrman problem where he inserts hip-hop in to eras that don't call for it. There's some really weird remixing of Elvis songs going on.\nOverall I'd give it a 2.5 out of 5.",
">\n\nI imagine Hanks' performance can also be due to Luhrmann's direction. Moulin Rouge is actually in my top 5 favorite movies (hush) and most of the characters in it are as you described Hanks as being. And I think it works fine in Moulin Rouge, but it sounds bad for a biopic. Still want to see it, though.",
">\n\nIt's a good film and there was nothing wrong with Hanks' performance.",
">\n\nGood to know. I'm a bit of a Luhrmann completionist, but I fully recognize his faults and missteps (Australia was haaaaard to sit through) and it was easy to picture Hanks with cartooney vibes. I think I'll actually watch it tonight, it keeps falling off my radar.",
">\n\nI think people don't realize that the person Hanks portrays in it was pretty cartoonish in real life.\nI think it was spot on representative of what the Colonel was actually like.\nI'm also a huge fan of Luhrmann so I suppose I could also be slightly biased but the hate it's getting here is pretty silly.",
">\n\nI honestly don’t know much about Elvis, most of what I know comes from Uncle Jesse on Full House. I’ll go into the movie with an open mind.\nAnd I just read that Lisa Marie unfortunately passed. Kind of going to feel weird watching the movie tonight… May she rest in peace.",
">\n\nWell, fuck. that's not good.",
">\n\nPricilla has just announced that Lisa Marie has passed away.",
">\n\nit was not good",
">\n\nI was sad reading this. Her life hasn't been easy and she seems physically unwell in the interview at the Golden Globes - (referring to the part when she asks the gentleman she is with if she can hold his arm).",
">\n\nShe didn’t look to good in this interview too",
">\n\nPulling for her. She’s had a harder life than many believe. Never got real privacy, battled her demons in-front of the world who never will stop comparing her to her megastar father. Bless her\nEDIT: saddened to read of her untimely passing this evening. May she finally have the peace she so desperately longed for. ❤️ Love to Priscilla Her heart must be in pieces.",
">\n\nAnd her son committed suicide",
">\n\nOh no, she was just at the Golden Globes w her mother. Paramedics had to regain a pulse - I’m not sure how that exactly translates or the specifics but I really hope she recovers.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI just read she’s in critical condition on life support and in an induced coma. She had been complaining of stomach pains since Tuesday. She was given a shot of epinephrine to restore her pulse.",
">\n\nAll normal procedures. We give epi every 4 minutes during an arrest until we get a pulse or pronounce. I gave 3 on the last arrest I worked.",
">\n\nTotally off topic but if someone goes into anaphylactic shock and throat closes up is it the same stuff? The epi?",
">\n\nYes. Epinephrine = Adrenalin",
">\n\nNo, it’s not the same exact stuff. There’s cardiac epi and anaphylactic epi.",
">\n\nPer the latest update, she passed away",
">\n\n54 is so incredibly young….RIP LMP :(",
">\n\nThis makes me sad. I do hope she's able to recover.",
">\n\nOh shit! Hopefully she'll be fine.",
">\n\nShe died 😢",
">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too. Hope she will be okay🙏",
">\n\nTMZ is reporting that she’s on life support.",
">\n\nDamn. She passed. RIP.",
">\n\nWasn't she at the globes last night?",
">\n\n2 nights ago, but yes.",
">\n\nSo sad. Her poor mother.",
">\n\nCrazy. She was at the freaking Globes, just surreal. I'm glad she saw Austin win. What a life she had!",
">\n\nI hope she's ok. She always seemed like a decent person.\nI'm sure being a nepo baby provides a lot of opportunities, but it probably also comes with enormous unwanted pressure to live up to your parents or at least accomplish something great. Being the daughter of Elvis could not have been easy.",
">\n\nIn addition, her son committed suicide in 2020 and then she went through a divorce in 2021 from a long marriage. Her life sounds painful, but that's just my speculation.",
">\n\nSmh, the two comments on the linked article:\n”Pfizer strikes again” and “Wonder if she had the clot shot...............................”",
">\n\nShe looks so blown out in this photo"
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But yes, get your vaccines. | [
"People magazine is reporting that she has died.",
">\n\nJust saw it on the news at the bar, reporting dead. Sad how sometimes history repeats itself in odd ways",
">\n\nI wouldn't call it \"odd\", considering heart issues can be genetic, she has a history of multiple drug abuse, has been dealing with grief for the past two years, and has shown signs of being physically weak in the last months.\nI get what you're saying, but this doesn't come off like some horribly odd tragedy, it comes off like a horribly preventable tragedy.",
">\n\nHow does this come off as “preventable”?",
">\n\nDrugs are bad mmmkay",
">\n\nPriscilla has made a statement saying Lisa Marie passed. RIP.",
">\n\nFirst her husband, grandson, and now her daughter. No one deserves to lose that many people in their life.",
">\n\nIf you live long enough, you're going to lose a lot of loved ones. Priscilla is 77.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI highly doubt he was without oxygen for 9 minutes considering how many medical personnel were there. Cpr was started within 2-3 minutes and we give oxygen and breaths during cpr.",
">\n\nRight, but he was still getting oxygen in that time (forced into him by medical responders using a bvm - bag valve mask)",
">\n\nThis. From what I've read, so taking with a grain of salt, the body generally has a couple minutes worth of oxygenated blood when these cardiac events happen, so the amount of time Damar was without oxygen/blood circulation would be very minimal. He was also getting about the best emergency medical attention an American could get, with two dozen+ medical professionals on-site.",
">\n\nI stumbled on this story because I just finished the Elvis movie last night and wanted to see how she was doing 😔",
">\n\nhow was the movie? I've been meaning to see it.",
">\n\nIt's... Ok.\nThe guy who plays Elvis is awesome (and was very funny/charming on a recent SNL episode.)\nBut then in strolls Tom Hanks looking and acting like more a cartoon character than he did in Polar Express. Hanks performance doesn't really work, and it's a bit of a mess. It also suffers from the Baz Luhrman problem where he inserts hip-hop in to eras that don't call for it. There's some really weird remixing of Elvis songs going on.\nOverall I'd give it a 2.5 out of 5.",
">\n\nI imagine Hanks' performance can also be due to Luhrmann's direction. Moulin Rouge is actually in my top 5 favorite movies (hush) and most of the characters in it are as you described Hanks as being. And I think it works fine in Moulin Rouge, but it sounds bad for a biopic. Still want to see it, though.",
">\n\nIt's a good film and there was nothing wrong with Hanks' performance.",
">\n\nGood to know. I'm a bit of a Luhrmann completionist, but I fully recognize his faults and missteps (Australia was haaaaard to sit through) and it was easy to picture Hanks with cartooney vibes. I think I'll actually watch it tonight, it keeps falling off my radar.",
">\n\nI think people don't realize that the person Hanks portrays in it was pretty cartoonish in real life.\nI think it was spot on representative of what the Colonel was actually like.\nI'm also a huge fan of Luhrmann so I suppose I could also be slightly biased but the hate it's getting here is pretty silly.",
">\n\nI honestly don’t know much about Elvis, most of what I know comes from Uncle Jesse on Full House. I’ll go into the movie with an open mind.\nAnd I just read that Lisa Marie unfortunately passed. Kind of going to feel weird watching the movie tonight… May she rest in peace.",
">\n\nWell, fuck. that's not good.",
">\n\nPricilla has just announced that Lisa Marie has passed away.",
">\n\nit was not good",
">\n\nI was sad reading this. Her life hasn't been easy and she seems physically unwell in the interview at the Golden Globes - (referring to the part when she asks the gentleman she is with if she can hold his arm).",
">\n\nShe didn’t look to good in this interview too",
">\n\nPulling for her. She’s had a harder life than many believe. Never got real privacy, battled her demons in-front of the world who never will stop comparing her to her megastar father. Bless her\nEDIT: saddened to read of her untimely passing this evening. May she finally have the peace she so desperately longed for. ❤️ Love to Priscilla Her heart must be in pieces.",
">\n\nAnd her son committed suicide",
">\n\nOh no, she was just at the Golden Globes w her mother. Paramedics had to regain a pulse - I’m not sure how that exactly translates or the specifics but I really hope she recovers.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI just read she’s in critical condition on life support and in an induced coma. She had been complaining of stomach pains since Tuesday. She was given a shot of epinephrine to restore her pulse.",
">\n\nAll normal procedures. We give epi every 4 minutes during an arrest until we get a pulse or pronounce. I gave 3 on the last arrest I worked.",
">\n\nTotally off topic but if someone goes into anaphylactic shock and throat closes up is it the same stuff? The epi?",
">\n\nYes. Epinephrine = Adrenalin",
">\n\nNo, it’s not the same exact stuff. There’s cardiac epi and anaphylactic epi.",
">\n\nPer the latest update, she passed away",
">\n\n54 is so incredibly young….RIP LMP :(",
">\n\nThis makes me sad. I do hope she's able to recover.",
">\n\nOh shit! Hopefully she'll be fine.",
">\n\nShe died 😢",
">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too. Hope she will be okay🙏",
">\n\nTMZ is reporting that she’s on life support.",
">\n\nDamn. She passed. RIP.",
">\n\nWasn't she at the globes last night?",
">\n\n2 nights ago, but yes.",
">\n\nSo sad. Her poor mother.",
">\n\nCrazy. She was at the freaking Globes, just surreal. I'm glad she saw Austin win. What a life she had!",
">\n\nI hope she's ok. She always seemed like a decent person.\nI'm sure being a nepo baby provides a lot of opportunities, but it probably also comes with enormous unwanted pressure to live up to your parents or at least accomplish something great. Being the daughter of Elvis could not have been easy.",
">\n\nIn addition, her son committed suicide in 2020 and then she went through a divorce in 2021 from a long marriage. Her life sounds painful, but that's just my speculation.",
">\n\nSmh, the two comments on the linked article:\n”Pfizer strikes again” and “Wonder if she had the clot shot...............................”",
">\n\nShe looks so blown out in this photo",
">\n\nvaccine, get your vaccine"
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So sad, and young!! Prayers to her family 🙏 | [
"People magazine is reporting that she has died.",
">\n\nJust saw it on the news at the bar, reporting dead. Sad how sometimes history repeats itself in odd ways",
">\n\nI wouldn't call it \"odd\", considering heart issues can be genetic, she has a history of multiple drug abuse, has been dealing with grief for the past two years, and has shown signs of being physically weak in the last months.\nI get what you're saying, but this doesn't come off like some horribly odd tragedy, it comes off like a horribly preventable tragedy.",
">\n\nHow does this come off as “preventable”?",
">\n\nDrugs are bad mmmkay",
">\n\nPriscilla has made a statement saying Lisa Marie passed. RIP.",
">\n\nFirst her husband, grandson, and now her daughter. No one deserves to lose that many people in their life.",
">\n\nIf you live long enough, you're going to lose a lot of loved ones. Priscilla is 77.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI highly doubt he was without oxygen for 9 minutes considering how many medical personnel were there. Cpr was started within 2-3 minutes and we give oxygen and breaths during cpr.",
">\n\nRight, but he was still getting oxygen in that time (forced into him by medical responders using a bvm - bag valve mask)",
">\n\nThis. From what I've read, so taking with a grain of salt, the body generally has a couple minutes worth of oxygenated blood when these cardiac events happen, so the amount of time Damar was without oxygen/blood circulation would be very minimal. He was also getting about the best emergency medical attention an American could get, with two dozen+ medical professionals on-site.",
">\n\nI stumbled on this story because I just finished the Elvis movie last night and wanted to see how she was doing 😔",
">\n\nhow was the movie? I've been meaning to see it.",
">\n\nIt's... Ok.\nThe guy who plays Elvis is awesome (and was very funny/charming on a recent SNL episode.)\nBut then in strolls Tom Hanks looking and acting like more a cartoon character than he did in Polar Express. Hanks performance doesn't really work, and it's a bit of a mess. It also suffers from the Baz Luhrman problem where he inserts hip-hop in to eras that don't call for it. There's some really weird remixing of Elvis songs going on.\nOverall I'd give it a 2.5 out of 5.",
">\n\nI imagine Hanks' performance can also be due to Luhrmann's direction. Moulin Rouge is actually in my top 5 favorite movies (hush) and most of the characters in it are as you described Hanks as being. And I think it works fine in Moulin Rouge, but it sounds bad for a biopic. Still want to see it, though.",
">\n\nIt's a good film and there was nothing wrong with Hanks' performance.",
">\n\nGood to know. I'm a bit of a Luhrmann completionist, but I fully recognize his faults and missteps (Australia was haaaaard to sit through) and it was easy to picture Hanks with cartooney vibes. I think I'll actually watch it tonight, it keeps falling off my radar.",
">\n\nI think people don't realize that the person Hanks portrays in it was pretty cartoonish in real life.\nI think it was spot on representative of what the Colonel was actually like.\nI'm also a huge fan of Luhrmann so I suppose I could also be slightly biased but the hate it's getting here is pretty silly.",
">\n\nI honestly don’t know much about Elvis, most of what I know comes from Uncle Jesse on Full House. I’ll go into the movie with an open mind.\nAnd I just read that Lisa Marie unfortunately passed. Kind of going to feel weird watching the movie tonight… May she rest in peace.",
">\n\nWell, fuck. that's not good.",
">\n\nPricilla has just announced that Lisa Marie has passed away.",
">\n\nit was not good",
">\n\nI was sad reading this. Her life hasn't been easy and she seems physically unwell in the interview at the Golden Globes - (referring to the part when she asks the gentleman she is with if she can hold his arm).",
">\n\nShe didn’t look to good in this interview too",
">\n\nPulling for her. She’s had a harder life than many believe. Never got real privacy, battled her demons in-front of the world who never will stop comparing her to her megastar father. Bless her\nEDIT: saddened to read of her untimely passing this evening. May she finally have the peace she so desperately longed for. ❤️ Love to Priscilla Her heart must be in pieces.",
">\n\nAnd her son committed suicide",
">\n\nOh no, she was just at the Golden Globes w her mother. Paramedics had to regain a pulse - I’m not sure how that exactly translates or the specifics but I really hope she recovers.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI just read she’s in critical condition on life support and in an induced coma. She had been complaining of stomach pains since Tuesday. She was given a shot of epinephrine to restore her pulse.",
">\n\nAll normal procedures. We give epi every 4 minutes during an arrest until we get a pulse or pronounce. I gave 3 on the last arrest I worked.",
">\n\nTotally off topic but if someone goes into anaphylactic shock and throat closes up is it the same stuff? The epi?",
">\n\nYes. Epinephrine = Adrenalin",
">\n\nNo, it’s not the same exact stuff. There’s cardiac epi and anaphylactic epi.",
">\n\nPer the latest update, she passed away",
">\n\n54 is so incredibly young….RIP LMP :(",
">\n\nThis makes me sad. I do hope she's able to recover.",
">\n\nOh shit! Hopefully she'll be fine.",
">\n\nShe died 😢",
">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too. Hope she will be okay🙏",
">\n\nTMZ is reporting that she’s on life support.",
">\n\nDamn. She passed. RIP.",
">\n\nWasn't she at the globes last night?",
">\n\n2 nights ago, but yes.",
">\n\nSo sad. Her poor mother.",
">\n\nCrazy. She was at the freaking Globes, just surreal. I'm glad she saw Austin win. What a life she had!",
">\n\nI hope she's ok. She always seemed like a decent person.\nI'm sure being a nepo baby provides a lot of opportunities, but it probably also comes with enormous unwanted pressure to live up to your parents or at least accomplish something great. Being the daughter of Elvis could not have been easy.",
">\n\nIn addition, her son committed suicide in 2020 and then she went through a divorce in 2021 from a long marriage. Her life sounds painful, but that's just my speculation.",
">\n\nSmh, the two comments on the linked article:\n”Pfizer strikes again” and “Wonder if she had the clot shot...............................”",
">\n\nShe looks so blown out in this photo",
">\n\nvaccine, get your vaccine",
">\n\nRandom.\nBut yes, get your vaccines."
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I heard she passed away, RIP. | [
"People magazine is reporting that she has died.",
">\n\nJust saw it on the news at the bar, reporting dead. Sad how sometimes history repeats itself in odd ways",
">\n\nI wouldn't call it \"odd\", considering heart issues can be genetic, she has a history of multiple drug abuse, has been dealing with grief for the past two years, and has shown signs of being physically weak in the last months.\nI get what you're saying, but this doesn't come off like some horribly odd tragedy, it comes off like a horribly preventable tragedy.",
">\n\nHow does this come off as “preventable”?",
">\n\nDrugs are bad mmmkay",
">\n\nPriscilla has made a statement saying Lisa Marie passed. RIP.",
">\n\nFirst her husband, grandson, and now her daughter. No one deserves to lose that many people in their life.",
">\n\nIf you live long enough, you're going to lose a lot of loved ones. Priscilla is 77.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI highly doubt he was without oxygen for 9 minutes considering how many medical personnel were there. Cpr was started within 2-3 minutes and we give oxygen and breaths during cpr.",
">\n\nRight, but he was still getting oxygen in that time (forced into him by medical responders using a bvm - bag valve mask)",
">\n\nThis. From what I've read, so taking with a grain of salt, the body generally has a couple minutes worth of oxygenated blood when these cardiac events happen, so the amount of time Damar was without oxygen/blood circulation would be very minimal. He was also getting about the best emergency medical attention an American could get, with two dozen+ medical professionals on-site.",
">\n\nI stumbled on this story because I just finished the Elvis movie last night and wanted to see how she was doing 😔",
">\n\nhow was the movie? I've been meaning to see it.",
">\n\nIt's... Ok.\nThe guy who plays Elvis is awesome (and was very funny/charming on a recent SNL episode.)\nBut then in strolls Tom Hanks looking and acting like more a cartoon character than he did in Polar Express. Hanks performance doesn't really work, and it's a bit of a mess. It also suffers from the Baz Luhrman problem where he inserts hip-hop in to eras that don't call for it. There's some really weird remixing of Elvis songs going on.\nOverall I'd give it a 2.5 out of 5.",
">\n\nI imagine Hanks' performance can also be due to Luhrmann's direction. Moulin Rouge is actually in my top 5 favorite movies (hush) and most of the characters in it are as you described Hanks as being. And I think it works fine in Moulin Rouge, but it sounds bad for a biopic. Still want to see it, though.",
">\n\nIt's a good film and there was nothing wrong with Hanks' performance.",
">\n\nGood to know. I'm a bit of a Luhrmann completionist, but I fully recognize his faults and missteps (Australia was haaaaard to sit through) and it was easy to picture Hanks with cartooney vibes. I think I'll actually watch it tonight, it keeps falling off my radar.",
">\n\nI think people don't realize that the person Hanks portrays in it was pretty cartoonish in real life.\nI think it was spot on representative of what the Colonel was actually like.\nI'm also a huge fan of Luhrmann so I suppose I could also be slightly biased but the hate it's getting here is pretty silly.",
">\n\nI honestly don’t know much about Elvis, most of what I know comes from Uncle Jesse on Full House. I’ll go into the movie with an open mind.\nAnd I just read that Lisa Marie unfortunately passed. Kind of going to feel weird watching the movie tonight… May she rest in peace.",
">\n\nWell, fuck. that's not good.",
">\n\nPricilla has just announced that Lisa Marie has passed away.",
">\n\nit was not good",
">\n\nI was sad reading this. Her life hasn't been easy and she seems physically unwell in the interview at the Golden Globes - (referring to the part when she asks the gentleman she is with if she can hold his arm).",
">\n\nShe didn’t look to good in this interview too",
">\n\nPulling for her. She’s had a harder life than many believe. Never got real privacy, battled her demons in-front of the world who never will stop comparing her to her megastar father. Bless her\nEDIT: saddened to read of her untimely passing this evening. May she finally have the peace she so desperately longed for. ❤️ Love to Priscilla Her heart must be in pieces.",
">\n\nAnd her son committed suicide",
">\n\nOh no, she was just at the Golden Globes w her mother. Paramedics had to regain a pulse - I’m not sure how that exactly translates or the specifics but I really hope she recovers.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI just read she’s in critical condition on life support and in an induced coma. She had been complaining of stomach pains since Tuesday. She was given a shot of epinephrine to restore her pulse.",
">\n\nAll normal procedures. We give epi every 4 minutes during an arrest until we get a pulse or pronounce. I gave 3 on the last arrest I worked.",
">\n\nTotally off topic but if someone goes into anaphylactic shock and throat closes up is it the same stuff? The epi?",
">\n\nYes. Epinephrine = Adrenalin",
">\n\nNo, it’s not the same exact stuff. There’s cardiac epi and anaphylactic epi.",
">\n\nPer the latest update, she passed away",
">\n\n54 is so incredibly young….RIP LMP :(",
">\n\nThis makes me sad. I do hope she's able to recover.",
">\n\nOh shit! Hopefully she'll be fine.",
">\n\nShe died 😢",
">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too. Hope she will be okay🙏",
">\n\nTMZ is reporting that she’s on life support.",
">\n\nDamn. She passed. RIP.",
">\n\nWasn't she at the globes last night?",
">\n\n2 nights ago, but yes.",
">\n\nSo sad. Her poor mother.",
">\n\nCrazy. She was at the freaking Globes, just surreal. I'm glad she saw Austin win. What a life she had!",
">\n\nI hope she's ok. She always seemed like a decent person.\nI'm sure being a nepo baby provides a lot of opportunities, but it probably also comes with enormous unwanted pressure to live up to your parents or at least accomplish something great. Being the daughter of Elvis could not have been easy.",
">\n\nIn addition, her son committed suicide in 2020 and then she went through a divorce in 2021 from a long marriage. Her life sounds painful, but that's just my speculation.",
">\n\nSmh, the two comments on the linked article:\n”Pfizer strikes again” and “Wonder if she had the clot shot...............................”",
">\n\nShe looks so blown out in this photo",
">\n\nvaccine, get your vaccine",
">\n\nRandom.\nBut yes, get your vaccines.",
">\n\nSo sad, and young!! Prayers to her family 🙏"
] |
>
Wonder how Priscilla feels… RIP must be terrible | [
"People magazine is reporting that she has died.",
">\n\nJust saw it on the news at the bar, reporting dead. Sad how sometimes history repeats itself in odd ways",
">\n\nI wouldn't call it \"odd\", considering heart issues can be genetic, she has a history of multiple drug abuse, has been dealing with grief for the past two years, and has shown signs of being physically weak in the last months.\nI get what you're saying, but this doesn't come off like some horribly odd tragedy, it comes off like a horribly preventable tragedy.",
">\n\nHow does this come off as “preventable”?",
">\n\nDrugs are bad mmmkay",
">\n\nPriscilla has made a statement saying Lisa Marie passed. RIP.",
">\n\nFirst her husband, grandson, and now her daughter. No one deserves to lose that many people in their life.",
">\n\nIf you live long enough, you're going to lose a lot of loved ones. Priscilla is 77.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI highly doubt he was without oxygen for 9 minutes considering how many medical personnel were there. Cpr was started within 2-3 minutes and we give oxygen and breaths during cpr.",
">\n\nRight, but he was still getting oxygen in that time (forced into him by medical responders using a bvm - bag valve mask)",
">\n\nThis. From what I've read, so taking with a grain of salt, the body generally has a couple minutes worth of oxygenated blood when these cardiac events happen, so the amount of time Damar was without oxygen/blood circulation would be very minimal. He was also getting about the best emergency medical attention an American could get, with two dozen+ medical professionals on-site.",
">\n\nI stumbled on this story because I just finished the Elvis movie last night and wanted to see how she was doing 😔",
">\n\nhow was the movie? I've been meaning to see it.",
">\n\nIt's... Ok.\nThe guy who plays Elvis is awesome (and was very funny/charming on a recent SNL episode.)\nBut then in strolls Tom Hanks looking and acting like more a cartoon character than he did in Polar Express. Hanks performance doesn't really work, and it's a bit of a mess. It also suffers from the Baz Luhrman problem where he inserts hip-hop in to eras that don't call for it. There's some really weird remixing of Elvis songs going on.\nOverall I'd give it a 2.5 out of 5.",
">\n\nI imagine Hanks' performance can also be due to Luhrmann's direction. Moulin Rouge is actually in my top 5 favorite movies (hush) and most of the characters in it are as you described Hanks as being. And I think it works fine in Moulin Rouge, but it sounds bad for a biopic. Still want to see it, though.",
">\n\nIt's a good film and there was nothing wrong with Hanks' performance.",
">\n\nGood to know. I'm a bit of a Luhrmann completionist, but I fully recognize his faults and missteps (Australia was haaaaard to sit through) and it was easy to picture Hanks with cartooney vibes. I think I'll actually watch it tonight, it keeps falling off my radar.",
">\n\nI think people don't realize that the person Hanks portrays in it was pretty cartoonish in real life.\nI think it was spot on representative of what the Colonel was actually like.\nI'm also a huge fan of Luhrmann so I suppose I could also be slightly biased but the hate it's getting here is pretty silly.",
">\n\nI honestly don’t know much about Elvis, most of what I know comes from Uncle Jesse on Full House. I’ll go into the movie with an open mind.\nAnd I just read that Lisa Marie unfortunately passed. Kind of going to feel weird watching the movie tonight… May she rest in peace.",
">\n\nWell, fuck. that's not good.",
">\n\nPricilla has just announced that Lisa Marie has passed away.",
">\n\nit was not good",
">\n\nI was sad reading this. Her life hasn't been easy and she seems physically unwell in the interview at the Golden Globes - (referring to the part when she asks the gentleman she is with if she can hold his arm).",
">\n\nShe didn’t look to good in this interview too",
">\n\nPulling for her. She’s had a harder life than many believe. Never got real privacy, battled her demons in-front of the world who never will stop comparing her to her megastar father. Bless her\nEDIT: saddened to read of her untimely passing this evening. May she finally have the peace she so desperately longed for. ❤️ Love to Priscilla Her heart must be in pieces.",
">\n\nAnd her son committed suicide",
">\n\nOh no, she was just at the Golden Globes w her mother. Paramedics had to regain a pulse - I’m not sure how that exactly translates or the specifics but I really hope she recovers.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI just read she’s in critical condition on life support and in an induced coma. She had been complaining of stomach pains since Tuesday. She was given a shot of epinephrine to restore her pulse.",
">\n\nAll normal procedures. We give epi every 4 minutes during an arrest until we get a pulse or pronounce. I gave 3 on the last arrest I worked.",
">\n\nTotally off topic but if someone goes into anaphylactic shock and throat closes up is it the same stuff? The epi?",
">\n\nYes. Epinephrine = Adrenalin",
">\n\nNo, it’s not the same exact stuff. There’s cardiac epi and anaphylactic epi.",
">\n\nPer the latest update, she passed away",
">\n\n54 is so incredibly young….RIP LMP :(",
">\n\nThis makes me sad. I do hope she's able to recover.",
">\n\nOh shit! Hopefully she'll be fine.",
">\n\nShe died 😢",
">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too. Hope she will be okay🙏",
">\n\nTMZ is reporting that she’s on life support.",
">\n\nDamn. She passed. RIP.",
">\n\nWasn't she at the globes last night?",
">\n\n2 nights ago, but yes.",
">\n\nSo sad. Her poor mother.",
">\n\nCrazy. She was at the freaking Globes, just surreal. I'm glad she saw Austin win. What a life she had!",
">\n\nI hope she's ok. She always seemed like a decent person.\nI'm sure being a nepo baby provides a lot of opportunities, but it probably also comes with enormous unwanted pressure to live up to your parents or at least accomplish something great. Being the daughter of Elvis could not have been easy.",
">\n\nIn addition, her son committed suicide in 2020 and then she went through a divorce in 2021 from a long marriage. Her life sounds painful, but that's just my speculation.",
">\n\nSmh, the two comments on the linked article:\n”Pfizer strikes again” and “Wonder if she had the clot shot...............................”",
">\n\nShe looks so blown out in this photo",
">\n\nvaccine, get your vaccine",
">\n\nRandom.\nBut yes, get your vaccines.",
">\n\nSo sad, and young!! Prayers to her family 🙏",
">\n\nI heard she passed away, RIP."
] |
>
Was she in good health prior to this? Also was she sober? | [
"People magazine is reporting that she has died.",
">\n\nJust saw it on the news at the bar, reporting dead. Sad how sometimes history repeats itself in odd ways",
">\n\nI wouldn't call it \"odd\", considering heart issues can be genetic, she has a history of multiple drug abuse, has been dealing with grief for the past two years, and has shown signs of being physically weak in the last months.\nI get what you're saying, but this doesn't come off like some horribly odd tragedy, it comes off like a horribly preventable tragedy.",
">\n\nHow does this come off as “preventable”?",
">\n\nDrugs are bad mmmkay",
">\n\nPriscilla has made a statement saying Lisa Marie passed. RIP.",
">\n\nFirst her husband, grandson, and now her daughter. No one deserves to lose that many people in their life.",
">\n\nIf you live long enough, you're going to lose a lot of loved ones. Priscilla is 77.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI highly doubt he was without oxygen for 9 minutes considering how many medical personnel were there. Cpr was started within 2-3 minutes and we give oxygen and breaths during cpr.",
">\n\nRight, but he was still getting oxygen in that time (forced into him by medical responders using a bvm - bag valve mask)",
">\n\nThis. From what I've read, so taking with a grain of salt, the body generally has a couple minutes worth of oxygenated blood when these cardiac events happen, so the amount of time Damar was without oxygen/blood circulation would be very minimal. He was also getting about the best emergency medical attention an American could get, with two dozen+ medical professionals on-site.",
">\n\nI stumbled on this story because I just finished the Elvis movie last night and wanted to see how she was doing 😔",
">\n\nhow was the movie? I've been meaning to see it.",
">\n\nIt's... Ok.\nThe guy who plays Elvis is awesome (and was very funny/charming on a recent SNL episode.)\nBut then in strolls Tom Hanks looking and acting like more a cartoon character than he did in Polar Express. Hanks performance doesn't really work, and it's a bit of a mess. It also suffers from the Baz Luhrman problem where he inserts hip-hop in to eras that don't call for it. There's some really weird remixing of Elvis songs going on.\nOverall I'd give it a 2.5 out of 5.",
">\n\nI imagine Hanks' performance can also be due to Luhrmann's direction. Moulin Rouge is actually in my top 5 favorite movies (hush) and most of the characters in it are as you described Hanks as being. And I think it works fine in Moulin Rouge, but it sounds bad for a biopic. Still want to see it, though.",
">\n\nIt's a good film and there was nothing wrong with Hanks' performance.",
">\n\nGood to know. I'm a bit of a Luhrmann completionist, but I fully recognize his faults and missteps (Australia was haaaaard to sit through) and it was easy to picture Hanks with cartooney vibes. I think I'll actually watch it tonight, it keeps falling off my radar.",
">\n\nI think people don't realize that the person Hanks portrays in it was pretty cartoonish in real life.\nI think it was spot on representative of what the Colonel was actually like.\nI'm also a huge fan of Luhrmann so I suppose I could also be slightly biased but the hate it's getting here is pretty silly.",
">\n\nI honestly don’t know much about Elvis, most of what I know comes from Uncle Jesse on Full House. I’ll go into the movie with an open mind.\nAnd I just read that Lisa Marie unfortunately passed. Kind of going to feel weird watching the movie tonight… May she rest in peace.",
">\n\nWell, fuck. that's not good.",
">\n\nPricilla has just announced that Lisa Marie has passed away.",
">\n\nit was not good",
">\n\nI was sad reading this. Her life hasn't been easy and she seems physically unwell in the interview at the Golden Globes - (referring to the part when she asks the gentleman she is with if she can hold his arm).",
">\n\nShe didn’t look to good in this interview too",
">\n\nPulling for her. She’s had a harder life than many believe. Never got real privacy, battled her demons in-front of the world who never will stop comparing her to her megastar father. Bless her\nEDIT: saddened to read of her untimely passing this evening. May she finally have the peace she so desperately longed for. ❤️ Love to Priscilla Her heart must be in pieces.",
">\n\nAnd her son committed suicide",
">\n\nOh no, she was just at the Golden Globes w her mother. Paramedics had to regain a pulse - I’m not sure how that exactly translates or the specifics but I really hope she recovers.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI just read she’s in critical condition on life support and in an induced coma. She had been complaining of stomach pains since Tuesday. She was given a shot of epinephrine to restore her pulse.",
">\n\nAll normal procedures. We give epi every 4 minutes during an arrest until we get a pulse or pronounce. I gave 3 on the last arrest I worked.",
">\n\nTotally off topic but if someone goes into anaphylactic shock and throat closes up is it the same stuff? The epi?",
">\n\nYes. Epinephrine = Adrenalin",
">\n\nNo, it’s not the same exact stuff. There’s cardiac epi and anaphylactic epi.",
">\n\nPer the latest update, she passed away",
">\n\n54 is so incredibly young….RIP LMP :(",
">\n\nThis makes me sad. I do hope she's able to recover.",
">\n\nOh shit! Hopefully she'll be fine.",
">\n\nShe died 😢",
">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too. Hope she will be okay🙏",
">\n\nTMZ is reporting that she’s on life support.",
">\n\nDamn. She passed. RIP.",
">\n\nWasn't she at the globes last night?",
">\n\n2 nights ago, but yes.",
">\n\nSo sad. Her poor mother.",
">\n\nCrazy. She was at the freaking Globes, just surreal. I'm glad she saw Austin win. What a life she had!",
">\n\nI hope she's ok. She always seemed like a decent person.\nI'm sure being a nepo baby provides a lot of opportunities, but it probably also comes with enormous unwanted pressure to live up to your parents or at least accomplish something great. Being the daughter of Elvis could not have been easy.",
">\n\nIn addition, her son committed suicide in 2020 and then she went through a divorce in 2021 from a long marriage. Her life sounds painful, but that's just my speculation.",
">\n\nSmh, the two comments on the linked article:\n”Pfizer strikes again” and “Wonder if she had the clot shot...............................”",
">\n\nShe looks so blown out in this photo",
">\n\nvaccine, get your vaccine",
">\n\nRandom.\nBut yes, get your vaccines.",
">\n\nSo sad, and young!! Prayers to her family 🙏",
">\n\nI heard she passed away, RIP.",
">\n\nWonder how Priscilla feels… RIP must be terrible"
] |
>
There's some reports floating around that she's seemed recently unwell. She didn't LOOK sober at the Golden Globes. She also has been in reportedly in grief since her son died in 2020. It all adds up, and it all sucks. | [
"People magazine is reporting that she has died.",
">\n\nJust saw it on the news at the bar, reporting dead. Sad how sometimes history repeats itself in odd ways",
">\n\nI wouldn't call it \"odd\", considering heart issues can be genetic, she has a history of multiple drug abuse, has been dealing with grief for the past two years, and has shown signs of being physically weak in the last months.\nI get what you're saying, but this doesn't come off like some horribly odd tragedy, it comes off like a horribly preventable tragedy.",
">\n\nHow does this come off as “preventable”?",
">\n\nDrugs are bad mmmkay",
">\n\nPriscilla has made a statement saying Lisa Marie passed. RIP.",
">\n\nFirst her husband, grandson, and now her daughter. No one deserves to lose that many people in their life.",
">\n\nIf you live long enough, you're going to lose a lot of loved ones. Priscilla is 77.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI highly doubt he was without oxygen for 9 minutes considering how many medical personnel were there. Cpr was started within 2-3 minutes and we give oxygen and breaths during cpr.",
">\n\nRight, but he was still getting oxygen in that time (forced into him by medical responders using a bvm - bag valve mask)",
">\n\nThis. From what I've read, so taking with a grain of salt, the body generally has a couple minutes worth of oxygenated blood when these cardiac events happen, so the amount of time Damar was without oxygen/blood circulation would be very minimal. He was also getting about the best emergency medical attention an American could get, with two dozen+ medical professionals on-site.",
">\n\nI stumbled on this story because I just finished the Elvis movie last night and wanted to see how she was doing 😔",
">\n\nhow was the movie? I've been meaning to see it.",
">\n\nIt's... Ok.\nThe guy who plays Elvis is awesome (and was very funny/charming on a recent SNL episode.)\nBut then in strolls Tom Hanks looking and acting like more a cartoon character than he did in Polar Express. Hanks performance doesn't really work, and it's a bit of a mess. It also suffers from the Baz Luhrman problem where he inserts hip-hop in to eras that don't call for it. There's some really weird remixing of Elvis songs going on.\nOverall I'd give it a 2.5 out of 5.",
">\n\nI imagine Hanks' performance can also be due to Luhrmann's direction. Moulin Rouge is actually in my top 5 favorite movies (hush) and most of the characters in it are as you described Hanks as being. And I think it works fine in Moulin Rouge, but it sounds bad for a biopic. Still want to see it, though.",
">\n\nIt's a good film and there was nothing wrong with Hanks' performance.",
">\n\nGood to know. I'm a bit of a Luhrmann completionist, but I fully recognize his faults and missteps (Australia was haaaaard to sit through) and it was easy to picture Hanks with cartooney vibes. I think I'll actually watch it tonight, it keeps falling off my radar.",
">\n\nI think people don't realize that the person Hanks portrays in it was pretty cartoonish in real life.\nI think it was spot on representative of what the Colonel was actually like.\nI'm also a huge fan of Luhrmann so I suppose I could also be slightly biased but the hate it's getting here is pretty silly.",
">\n\nI honestly don’t know much about Elvis, most of what I know comes from Uncle Jesse on Full House. I’ll go into the movie with an open mind.\nAnd I just read that Lisa Marie unfortunately passed. Kind of going to feel weird watching the movie tonight… May she rest in peace.",
">\n\nWell, fuck. that's not good.",
">\n\nPricilla has just announced that Lisa Marie has passed away.",
">\n\nit was not good",
">\n\nI was sad reading this. Her life hasn't been easy and she seems physically unwell in the interview at the Golden Globes - (referring to the part when she asks the gentleman she is with if she can hold his arm).",
">\n\nShe didn’t look to good in this interview too",
">\n\nPulling for her. She’s had a harder life than many believe. Never got real privacy, battled her demons in-front of the world who never will stop comparing her to her megastar father. Bless her\nEDIT: saddened to read of her untimely passing this evening. May she finally have the peace she so desperately longed for. ❤️ Love to Priscilla Her heart must be in pieces.",
">\n\nAnd her son committed suicide",
">\n\nOh no, she was just at the Golden Globes w her mother. Paramedics had to regain a pulse - I’m not sure how that exactly translates or the specifics but I really hope she recovers.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI just read she’s in critical condition on life support and in an induced coma. She had been complaining of stomach pains since Tuesday. She was given a shot of epinephrine to restore her pulse.",
">\n\nAll normal procedures. We give epi every 4 minutes during an arrest until we get a pulse or pronounce. I gave 3 on the last arrest I worked.",
">\n\nTotally off topic but if someone goes into anaphylactic shock and throat closes up is it the same stuff? The epi?",
">\n\nYes. Epinephrine = Adrenalin",
">\n\nNo, it’s not the same exact stuff. There’s cardiac epi and anaphylactic epi.",
">\n\nPer the latest update, she passed away",
">\n\n54 is so incredibly young….RIP LMP :(",
">\n\nThis makes me sad. I do hope she's able to recover.",
">\n\nOh shit! Hopefully she'll be fine.",
">\n\nShe died 😢",
">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too. Hope she will be okay🙏",
">\n\nTMZ is reporting that she’s on life support.",
">\n\nDamn. She passed. RIP.",
">\n\nWasn't she at the globes last night?",
">\n\n2 nights ago, but yes.",
">\n\nSo sad. Her poor mother.",
">\n\nCrazy. She was at the freaking Globes, just surreal. I'm glad she saw Austin win. What a life she had!",
">\n\nI hope she's ok. She always seemed like a decent person.\nI'm sure being a nepo baby provides a lot of opportunities, but it probably also comes with enormous unwanted pressure to live up to your parents or at least accomplish something great. Being the daughter of Elvis could not have been easy.",
">\n\nIn addition, her son committed suicide in 2020 and then she went through a divorce in 2021 from a long marriage. Her life sounds painful, but that's just my speculation.",
">\n\nSmh, the two comments on the linked article:\n”Pfizer strikes again” and “Wonder if she had the clot shot...............................”",
">\n\nShe looks so blown out in this photo",
">\n\nvaccine, get your vaccine",
">\n\nRandom.\nBut yes, get your vaccines.",
">\n\nSo sad, and young!! Prayers to her family 🙏",
">\n\nI heard she passed away, RIP.",
">\n\nWonder how Priscilla feels… RIP must be terrible",
">\n\nWas she in good health prior to this? Also was she sober?"
] |
>
I'm surprised they didn't mention she's Michael Jackson's ex, or Nicholas Cage. Both of whom are more well known by today's population than Elvis. | [
"People magazine is reporting that she has died.",
">\n\nJust saw it on the news at the bar, reporting dead. Sad how sometimes history repeats itself in odd ways",
">\n\nI wouldn't call it \"odd\", considering heart issues can be genetic, she has a history of multiple drug abuse, has been dealing with grief for the past two years, and has shown signs of being physically weak in the last months.\nI get what you're saying, but this doesn't come off like some horribly odd tragedy, it comes off like a horribly preventable tragedy.",
">\n\nHow does this come off as “preventable”?",
">\n\nDrugs are bad mmmkay",
">\n\nPriscilla has made a statement saying Lisa Marie passed. RIP.",
">\n\nFirst her husband, grandson, and now her daughter. No one deserves to lose that many people in their life.",
">\n\nIf you live long enough, you're going to lose a lot of loved ones. Priscilla is 77.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI highly doubt he was without oxygen for 9 minutes considering how many medical personnel were there. Cpr was started within 2-3 minutes and we give oxygen and breaths during cpr.",
">\n\nRight, but he was still getting oxygen in that time (forced into him by medical responders using a bvm - bag valve mask)",
">\n\nThis. From what I've read, so taking with a grain of salt, the body generally has a couple minutes worth of oxygenated blood when these cardiac events happen, so the amount of time Damar was without oxygen/blood circulation would be very minimal. He was also getting about the best emergency medical attention an American could get, with two dozen+ medical professionals on-site.",
">\n\nI stumbled on this story because I just finished the Elvis movie last night and wanted to see how she was doing 😔",
">\n\nhow was the movie? I've been meaning to see it.",
">\n\nIt's... Ok.\nThe guy who plays Elvis is awesome (and was very funny/charming on a recent SNL episode.)\nBut then in strolls Tom Hanks looking and acting like more a cartoon character than he did in Polar Express. Hanks performance doesn't really work, and it's a bit of a mess. It also suffers from the Baz Luhrman problem where he inserts hip-hop in to eras that don't call for it. There's some really weird remixing of Elvis songs going on.\nOverall I'd give it a 2.5 out of 5.",
">\n\nI imagine Hanks' performance can also be due to Luhrmann's direction. Moulin Rouge is actually in my top 5 favorite movies (hush) and most of the characters in it are as you described Hanks as being. And I think it works fine in Moulin Rouge, but it sounds bad for a biopic. Still want to see it, though.",
">\n\nIt's a good film and there was nothing wrong with Hanks' performance.",
">\n\nGood to know. I'm a bit of a Luhrmann completionist, but I fully recognize his faults and missteps (Australia was haaaaard to sit through) and it was easy to picture Hanks with cartooney vibes. I think I'll actually watch it tonight, it keeps falling off my radar.",
">\n\nI think people don't realize that the person Hanks portrays in it was pretty cartoonish in real life.\nI think it was spot on representative of what the Colonel was actually like.\nI'm also a huge fan of Luhrmann so I suppose I could also be slightly biased but the hate it's getting here is pretty silly.",
">\n\nI honestly don’t know much about Elvis, most of what I know comes from Uncle Jesse on Full House. I’ll go into the movie with an open mind.\nAnd I just read that Lisa Marie unfortunately passed. Kind of going to feel weird watching the movie tonight… May she rest in peace.",
">\n\nWell, fuck. that's not good.",
">\n\nPricilla has just announced that Lisa Marie has passed away.",
">\n\nit was not good",
">\n\nI was sad reading this. Her life hasn't been easy and she seems physically unwell in the interview at the Golden Globes - (referring to the part when she asks the gentleman she is with if she can hold his arm).",
">\n\nShe didn’t look to good in this interview too",
">\n\nPulling for her. She’s had a harder life than many believe. Never got real privacy, battled her demons in-front of the world who never will stop comparing her to her megastar father. Bless her\nEDIT: saddened to read of her untimely passing this evening. May she finally have the peace she so desperately longed for. ❤️ Love to Priscilla Her heart must be in pieces.",
">\n\nAnd her son committed suicide",
">\n\nOh no, she was just at the Golden Globes w her mother. Paramedics had to regain a pulse - I’m not sure how that exactly translates or the specifics but I really hope she recovers.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI just read she’s in critical condition on life support and in an induced coma. She had been complaining of stomach pains since Tuesday. She was given a shot of epinephrine to restore her pulse.",
">\n\nAll normal procedures. We give epi every 4 minutes during an arrest until we get a pulse or pronounce. I gave 3 on the last arrest I worked.",
">\n\nTotally off topic but if someone goes into anaphylactic shock and throat closes up is it the same stuff? The epi?",
">\n\nYes. Epinephrine = Adrenalin",
">\n\nNo, it’s not the same exact stuff. There’s cardiac epi and anaphylactic epi.",
">\n\nPer the latest update, she passed away",
">\n\n54 is so incredibly young….RIP LMP :(",
">\n\nThis makes me sad. I do hope she's able to recover.",
">\n\nOh shit! Hopefully she'll be fine.",
">\n\nShe died 😢",
">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too. Hope she will be okay🙏",
">\n\nTMZ is reporting that she’s on life support.",
">\n\nDamn. She passed. RIP.",
">\n\nWasn't she at the globes last night?",
">\n\n2 nights ago, but yes.",
">\n\nSo sad. Her poor mother.",
">\n\nCrazy. She was at the freaking Globes, just surreal. I'm glad she saw Austin win. What a life she had!",
">\n\nI hope she's ok. She always seemed like a decent person.\nI'm sure being a nepo baby provides a lot of opportunities, but it probably also comes with enormous unwanted pressure to live up to your parents or at least accomplish something great. Being the daughter of Elvis could not have been easy.",
">\n\nIn addition, her son committed suicide in 2020 and then she went through a divorce in 2021 from a long marriage. Her life sounds painful, but that's just my speculation.",
">\n\nSmh, the two comments on the linked article:\n”Pfizer strikes again” and “Wonder if she had the clot shot...............................”",
">\n\nShe looks so blown out in this photo",
">\n\nvaccine, get your vaccine",
">\n\nRandom.\nBut yes, get your vaccines.",
">\n\nSo sad, and young!! Prayers to her family 🙏",
">\n\nI heard she passed away, RIP.",
">\n\nWonder how Priscilla feels… RIP must be terrible",
">\n\nWas she in good health prior to this? Also was she sober?",
">\n\nThere's some reports floating around that she's seemed recently unwell. She didn't LOOK sober at the Golden Globes. She also has been in reportedly in grief since her son died in 2020. It all adds up, and it all sucks."
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lol Nic Cage isn’t even half as well known as Elvis | [
"People magazine is reporting that she has died.",
">\n\nJust saw it on the news at the bar, reporting dead. Sad how sometimes history repeats itself in odd ways",
">\n\nI wouldn't call it \"odd\", considering heart issues can be genetic, she has a history of multiple drug abuse, has been dealing with grief for the past two years, and has shown signs of being physically weak in the last months.\nI get what you're saying, but this doesn't come off like some horribly odd tragedy, it comes off like a horribly preventable tragedy.",
">\n\nHow does this come off as “preventable”?",
">\n\nDrugs are bad mmmkay",
">\n\nPriscilla has made a statement saying Lisa Marie passed. RIP.",
">\n\nFirst her husband, grandson, and now her daughter. No one deserves to lose that many people in their life.",
">\n\nIf you live long enough, you're going to lose a lot of loved ones. Priscilla is 77.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI highly doubt he was without oxygen for 9 minutes considering how many medical personnel were there. Cpr was started within 2-3 minutes and we give oxygen and breaths during cpr.",
">\n\nRight, but he was still getting oxygen in that time (forced into him by medical responders using a bvm - bag valve mask)",
">\n\nThis. From what I've read, so taking with a grain of salt, the body generally has a couple minutes worth of oxygenated blood when these cardiac events happen, so the amount of time Damar was without oxygen/blood circulation would be very minimal. He was also getting about the best emergency medical attention an American could get, with two dozen+ medical professionals on-site.",
">\n\nI stumbled on this story because I just finished the Elvis movie last night and wanted to see how she was doing 😔",
">\n\nhow was the movie? I've been meaning to see it.",
">\n\nIt's... Ok.\nThe guy who plays Elvis is awesome (and was very funny/charming on a recent SNL episode.)\nBut then in strolls Tom Hanks looking and acting like more a cartoon character than he did in Polar Express. Hanks performance doesn't really work, and it's a bit of a mess. It also suffers from the Baz Luhrman problem where he inserts hip-hop in to eras that don't call for it. There's some really weird remixing of Elvis songs going on.\nOverall I'd give it a 2.5 out of 5.",
">\n\nI imagine Hanks' performance can also be due to Luhrmann's direction. Moulin Rouge is actually in my top 5 favorite movies (hush) and most of the characters in it are as you described Hanks as being. And I think it works fine in Moulin Rouge, but it sounds bad for a biopic. Still want to see it, though.",
">\n\nIt's a good film and there was nothing wrong with Hanks' performance.",
">\n\nGood to know. I'm a bit of a Luhrmann completionist, but I fully recognize his faults and missteps (Australia was haaaaard to sit through) and it was easy to picture Hanks with cartooney vibes. I think I'll actually watch it tonight, it keeps falling off my radar.",
">\n\nI think people don't realize that the person Hanks portrays in it was pretty cartoonish in real life.\nI think it was spot on representative of what the Colonel was actually like.\nI'm also a huge fan of Luhrmann so I suppose I could also be slightly biased but the hate it's getting here is pretty silly.",
">\n\nI honestly don’t know much about Elvis, most of what I know comes from Uncle Jesse on Full House. I’ll go into the movie with an open mind.\nAnd I just read that Lisa Marie unfortunately passed. Kind of going to feel weird watching the movie tonight… May she rest in peace.",
">\n\nWell, fuck. that's not good.",
">\n\nPricilla has just announced that Lisa Marie has passed away.",
">\n\nit was not good",
">\n\nI was sad reading this. Her life hasn't been easy and she seems physically unwell in the interview at the Golden Globes - (referring to the part when she asks the gentleman she is with if she can hold his arm).",
">\n\nShe didn’t look to good in this interview too",
">\n\nPulling for her. She’s had a harder life than many believe. Never got real privacy, battled her demons in-front of the world who never will stop comparing her to her megastar father. Bless her\nEDIT: saddened to read of her untimely passing this evening. May she finally have the peace she so desperately longed for. ❤️ Love to Priscilla Her heart must be in pieces.",
">\n\nAnd her son committed suicide",
">\n\nOh no, she was just at the Golden Globes w her mother. Paramedics had to regain a pulse - I’m not sure how that exactly translates or the specifics but I really hope she recovers.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI just read she’s in critical condition on life support and in an induced coma. She had been complaining of stomach pains since Tuesday. She was given a shot of epinephrine to restore her pulse.",
">\n\nAll normal procedures. We give epi every 4 minutes during an arrest until we get a pulse or pronounce. I gave 3 on the last arrest I worked.",
">\n\nTotally off topic but if someone goes into anaphylactic shock and throat closes up is it the same stuff? The epi?",
">\n\nYes. Epinephrine = Adrenalin",
">\n\nNo, it’s not the same exact stuff. There’s cardiac epi and anaphylactic epi.",
">\n\nPer the latest update, she passed away",
">\n\n54 is so incredibly young….RIP LMP :(",
">\n\nThis makes me sad. I do hope she's able to recover.",
">\n\nOh shit! Hopefully she'll be fine.",
">\n\nShe died 😢",
">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too. Hope she will be okay🙏",
">\n\nTMZ is reporting that she’s on life support.",
">\n\nDamn. She passed. RIP.",
">\n\nWasn't she at the globes last night?",
">\n\n2 nights ago, but yes.",
">\n\nSo sad. Her poor mother.",
">\n\nCrazy. She was at the freaking Globes, just surreal. I'm glad she saw Austin win. What a life she had!",
">\n\nI hope she's ok. She always seemed like a decent person.\nI'm sure being a nepo baby provides a lot of opportunities, but it probably also comes with enormous unwanted pressure to live up to your parents or at least accomplish something great. Being the daughter of Elvis could not have been easy.",
">\n\nIn addition, her son committed suicide in 2020 and then she went through a divorce in 2021 from a long marriage. Her life sounds painful, but that's just my speculation.",
">\n\nSmh, the two comments on the linked article:\n”Pfizer strikes again” and “Wonder if she had the clot shot...............................”",
">\n\nShe looks so blown out in this photo",
">\n\nvaccine, get your vaccine",
">\n\nRandom.\nBut yes, get your vaccines.",
">\n\nSo sad, and young!! Prayers to her family 🙏",
">\n\nI heard she passed away, RIP.",
">\n\nWonder how Priscilla feels… RIP must be terrible",
">\n\nWas she in good health prior to this? Also was she sober?",
">\n\nThere's some reports floating around that she's seemed recently unwell. She didn't LOOK sober at the Golden Globes. She also has been in reportedly in grief since her son died in 2020. It all adds up, and it all sucks.",
">\n\nI'm surprised they didn't mention she's Michael Jackson's ex, or Nicholas Cage. Both of whom are more well known by today's population than Elvis."
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"People magazine is reporting that she has died.",
">\n\nJust saw it on the news at the bar, reporting dead. Sad how sometimes history repeats itself in odd ways",
">\n\nI wouldn't call it \"odd\", considering heart issues can be genetic, she has a history of multiple drug abuse, has been dealing with grief for the past two years, and has shown signs of being physically weak in the last months.\nI get what you're saying, but this doesn't come off like some horribly odd tragedy, it comes off like a horribly preventable tragedy.",
">\n\nHow does this come off as “preventable”?",
">\n\nDrugs are bad mmmkay",
">\n\nPriscilla has made a statement saying Lisa Marie passed. RIP.",
">\n\nFirst her husband, grandson, and now her daughter. No one deserves to lose that many people in their life.",
">\n\nIf you live long enough, you're going to lose a lot of loved ones. Priscilla is 77.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI highly doubt he was without oxygen for 9 minutes considering how many medical personnel were there. Cpr was started within 2-3 minutes and we give oxygen and breaths during cpr.",
">\n\nRight, but he was still getting oxygen in that time (forced into him by medical responders using a bvm - bag valve mask)",
">\n\nThis. From what I've read, so taking with a grain of salt, the body generally has a couple minutes worth of oxygenated blood when these cardiac events happen, so the amount of time Damar was without oxygen/blood circulation would be very minimal. He was also getting about the best emergency medical attention an American could get, with two dozen+ medical professionals on-site.",
">\n\nI stumbled on this story because I just finished the Elvis movie last night and wanted to see how she was doing 😔",
">\n\nhow was the movie? I've been meaning to see it.",
">\n\nIt's... Ok.\nThe guy who plays Elvis is awesome (and was very funny/charming on a recent SNL episode.)\nBut then in strolls Tom Hanks looking and acting like more a cartoon character than he did in Polar Express. Hanks performance doesn't really work, and it's a bit of a mess. It also suffers from the Baz Luhrman problem where he inserts hip-hop in to eras that don't call for it. There's some really weird remixing of Elvis songs going on.\nOverall I'd give it a 2.5 out of 5.",
">\n\nI imagine Hanks' performance can also be due to Luhrmann's direction. Moulin Rouge is actually in my top 5 favorite movies (hush) and most of the characters in it are as you described Hanks as being. And I think it works fine in Moulin Rouge, but it sounds bad for a biopic. Still want to see it, though.",
">\n\nIt's a good film and there was nothing wrong with Hanks' performance.",
">\n\nGood to know. I'm a bit of a Luhrmann completionist, but I fully recognize his faults and missteps (Australia was haaaaard to sit through) and it was easy to picture Hanks with cartooney vibes. I think I'll actually watch it tonight, it keeps falling off my radar.",
">\n\nI think people don't realize that the person Hanks portrays in it was pretty cartoonish in real life.\nI think it was spot on representative of what the Colonel was actually like.\nI'm also a huge fan of Luhrmann so I suppose I could also be slightly biased but the hate it's getting here is pretty silly.",
">\n\nI honestly don’t know much about Elvis, most of what I know comes from Uncle Jesse on Full House. I’ll go into the movie with an open mind.\nAnd I just read that Lisa Marie unfortunately passed. Kind of going to feel weird watching the movie tonight… May she rest in peace.",
">\n\nWell, fuck. that's not good.",
">\n\nPricilla has just announced that Lisa Marie has passed away.",
">\n\nit was not good",
">\n\nI was sad reading this. Her life hasn't been easy and she seems physically unwell in the interview at the Golden Globes - (referring to the part when she asks the gentleman she is with if she can hold his arm).",
">\n\nShe didn’t look to good in this interview too",
">\n\nPulling for her. She’s had a harder life than many believe. Never got real privacy, battled her demons in-front of the world who never will stop comparing her to her megastar father. Bless her\nEDIT: saddened to read of her untimely passing this evening. May she finally have the peace she so desperately longed for. ❤️ Love to Priscilla Her heart must be in pieces.",
">\n\nAnd her son committed suicide",
">\n\nOh no, she was just at the Golden Globes w her mother. Paramedics had to regain a pulse - I’m not sure how that exactly translates or the specifics but I really hope she recovers.",
">\n\nI'm a paramedic and have worked probably hundreds of cardiac arrests. I've gotten a pulse back on 5-10%. out of every 10 we get a pulse back, only 2-3 or so actually go home again neurologically intact. It all depends on how long they are down before cpr was started. I've had many patients that we got a pulse back on that were declared brain dead due to being down too long. \nThings look bad, but I wasn't involved and don't know details on her case, but odds are heavily against her.",
">\n\nI just read she’s in critical condition on life support and in an induced coma. She had been complaining of stomach pains since Tuesday. She was given a shot of epinephrine to restore her pulse.",
">\n\nAll normal procedures. We give epi every 4 minutes during an arrest until we get a pulse or pronounce. I gave 3 on the last arrest I worked.",
">\n\nTotally off topic but if someone goes into anaphylactic shock and throat closes up is it the same stuff? The epi?",
">\n\nYes. Epinephrine = Adrenalin",
">\n\nNo, it’s not the same exact stuff. There’s cardiac epi and anaphylactic epi.",
">\n\nPer the latest update, she passed away",
">\n\n54 is so incredibly young….RIP LMP :(",
">\n\nThis makes me sad. I do hope she's able to recover.",
">\n\nOh shit! Hopefully she'll be fine.",
">\n\nShe died 😢",
">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too. Hope she will be okay🙏",
">\n\nTMZ is reporting that she’s on life support.",
">\n\nDamn. She passed. RIP.",
">\n\nWasn't she at the globes last night?",
">\n\n2 nights ago, but yes.",
">\n\nSo sad. Her poor mother.",
">\n\nCrazy. She was at the freaking Globes, just surreal. I'm glad she saw Austin win. What a life she had!",
">\n\nI hope she's ok. She always seemed like a decent person.\nI'm sure being a nepo baby provides a lot of opportunities, but it probably also comes with enormous unwanted pressure to live up to your parents or at least accomplish something great. Being the daughter of Elvis could not have been easy.",
">\n\nIn addition, her son committed suicide in 2020 and then she went through a divorce in 2021 from a long marriage. Her life sounds painful, but that's just my speculation.",
">\n\nSmh, the two comments on the linked article:\n”Pfizer strikes again” and “Wonder if she had the clot shot...............................”",
">\n\nShe looks so blown out in this photo",
">\n\nvaccine, get your vaccine",
">\n\nRandom.\nBut yes, get your vaccines.",
">\n\nSo sad, and young!! Prayers to her family 🙏",
">\n\nI heard she passed away, RIP.",
">\n\nWonder how Priscilla feels… RIP must be terrible",
">\n\nWas she in good health prior to this? Also was she sober?",
">\n\nThere's some reports floating around that she's seemed recently unwell. She didn't LOOK sober at the Golden Globes. She also has been in reportedly in grief since her son died in 2020. It all adds up, and it all sucks.",
">\n\nI'm surprised they didn't mention she's Michael Jackson's ex, or Nicholas Cage. Both of whom are more well known by today's population than Elvis.",
">\n\nlol Nic Cage isn’t even half as well known as Elvis"
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I’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball. | [] |
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Yeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing. | [
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They should know if documents are missing.
I have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.
I don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway. | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing."
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100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control. | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway."
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Your realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?
Post office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.
IRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.
Stop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control."
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Biden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved. | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes"
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Maybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them. | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved."
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Investigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished. | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them."
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You can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him. | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished."
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They were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much. | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him."
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But I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike.
It's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with. | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much."
] |
>
a bit more legitimate to waste time with.
I voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024). | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with."
] |
>
Someone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now. | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024)."
] |
>
He's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run. | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now."
] |
>
Yes he is going to run.
A lot of people who voted for him don't want him to run again and may not vote for him again.
These two things can both be true. | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now.",
">\n\nHe's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run."
] |
>
I voted for Biden.
I don’t want him to run again.
If Trump is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.
If Desantis is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.
Republicans are self proclaimed party of domestic terrorists.
As an independent, I will treat them as such and vote blue until they get their shit together.
Fuck the GOP. | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now.",
">\n\nHe's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run.",
">\n\nYes he is going to run.\nA lot of people who voted for him don't want him to run again and may not vote for him again.\nThese two things can both be true."
] |
>
So NARA seemed to know that there were missing documents and tried to work for months with dt's team to get them back.
It has obviously been awhile since biden was vp, was NARA attempting to find these documents all this time?
I assume that there is a database of all confidential documents and that they are tracked, which is how they knew trump still had certain documents in his possession.
Did NARA not know these docs were missing? Or they didn't care? That's what I'm curious about. | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now.",
">\n\nHe's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run.",
">\n\nYes he is going to run.\nA lot of people who voted for him don't want him to run again and may not vote for him again.\nThese two things can both be true.",
">\n\nI voted for Biden.\nI don’t want him to run again.\nIf Trump is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nIf Desantis is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nRepublicans are self proclaimed party of domestic terrorists.\nAs an independent, I will treat them as such and vote blue until they get their shit together.\nFuck the GOP."
] |
>
NARA had no idea that these documents were missing and did not request them. Had Biden's attorneys shredded them no one would ever know about this. | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now.",
">\n\nHe's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run.",
">\n\nYes he is going to run.\nA lot of people who voted for him don't want him to run again and may not vote for him again.\nThese two things can both be true.",
">\n\nI voted for Biden.\nI don’t want him to run again.\nIf Trump is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nIf Desantis is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nRepublicans are self proclaimed party of domestic terrorists.\nAs an independent, I will treat them as such and vote blue until they get their shit together.\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nSo NARA seemed to know that there were missing documents and tried to work for months with dt's team to get them back.\nIt has obviously been awhile since biden was vp, was NARA attempting to find these documents all this time? \nI assume that there is a database of all confidential documents and that they are tracked, which is how they knew trump still had certain documents in his possession.\nDid NARA not know these docs were missing? Or they didn't care? That's what I'm curious about."
] |
>
Yeah, the Biden situation is more of a condemnation of our systems for tracking classified documents and making sure they don't go missing than it is a scandal for Biden.
Trump's situation is disturbing because of the lengths he went to in order to keep the documents even after they were requested and conceal the fact that he had them. Hard to imagine a non-nefarious reason for doing that. | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now.",
">\n\nHe's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run.",
">\n\nYes he is going to run.\nA lot of people who voted for him don't want him to run again and may not vote for him again.\nThese two things can both be true.",
">\n\nI voted for Biden.\nI don’t want him to run again.\nIf Trump is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nIf Desantis is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nRepublicans are self proclaimed party of domestic terrorists.\nAs an independent, I will treat them as such and vote blue until they get their shit together.\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nSo NARA seemed to know that there were missing documents and tried to work for months with dt's team to get them back.\nIt has obviously been awhile since biden was vp, was NARA attempting to find these documents all this time? \nI assume that there is a database of all confidential documents and that they are tracked, which is how they knew trump still had certain documents in his possession.\nDid NARA not know these docs were missing? Or they didn't care? That's what I'm curious about.",
">\n\nNARA had no idea that these documents were missing and did not request them. Had Biden's attorneys shredded them no one would ever know about this."
] |
>
So for the trouble, Garland appointed a Republican operative with a blank check....I wonder how that will go? | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now.",
">\n\nHe's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run.",
">\n\nYes he is going to run.\nA lot of people who voted for him don't want him to run again and may not vote for him again.\nThese two things can both be true.",
">\n\nI voted for Biden.\nI don’t want him to run again.\nIf Trump is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nIf Desantis is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nRepublicans are self proclaimed party of domestic terrorists.\nAs an independent, I will treat them as such and vote blue until they get their shit together.\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nSo NARA seemed to know that there were missing documents and tried to work for months with dt's team to get them back.\nIt has obviously been awhile since biden was vp, was NARA attempting to find these documents all this time? \nI assume that there is a database of all confidential documents and that they are tracked, which is how they knew trump still had certain documents in his possession.\nDid NARA not know these docs were missing? Or they didn't care? That's what I'm curious about.",
">\n\nNARA had no idea that these documents were missing and did not request them. Had Biden's attorneys shredded them no one would ever know about this.",
">\n\nYeah, the Biden situation is more of a condemnation of our systems for tracking classified documents and making sure they don't go missing than it is a scandal for Biden. \nTrump's situation is disturbing because of the lengths he went to in order to keep the documents even after they were requested and conceal the fact that he had them. Hard to imagine a non-nefarious reason for doing that."
] |
>
I know for a fact that there are still a lot of unbiased judges who aren't political operatives either way (they mostly go one way) in this country so I'm beginning to question Garland's motives or competence at this point. | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now.",
">\n\nHe's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run.",
">\n\nYes he is going to run.\nA lot of people who voted for him don't want him to run again and may not vote for him again.\nThese two things can both be true.",
">\n\nI voted for Biden.\nI don’t want him to run again.\nIf Trump is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nIf Desantis is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nRepublicans are self proclaimed party of domestic terrorists.\nAs an independent, I will treat them as such and vote blue until they get their shit together.\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nSo NARA seemed to know that there were missing documents and tried to work for months with dt's team to get them back.\nIt has obviously been awhile since biden was vp, was NARA attempting to find these documents all this time? \nI assume that there is a database of all confidential documents and that they are tracked, which is how they knew trump still had certain documents in his possession.\nDid NARA not know these docs were missing? Or they didn't care? That's what I'm curious about.",
">\n\nNARA had no idea that these documents were missing and did not request them. Had Biden's attorneys shredded them no one would ever know about this.",
">\n\nYeah, the Biden situation is more of a condemnation of our systems for tracking classified documents and making sure they don't go missing than it is a scandal for Biden. \nTrump's situation is disturbing because of the lengths he went to in order to keep the documents even after they were requested and conceal the fact that he had them. Hard to imagine a non-nefarious reason for doing that.",
">\n\nSo for the trouble, Garland appointed a Republican operative with a blank check....I wonder how that will go?"
] |
>
He was on speed dial at the Federalist Society to moderate their panels. That is not something an organization would likely hand over to someone outside their "values" | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now.",
">\n\nHe's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run.",
">\n\nYes he is going to run.\nA lot of people who voted for him don't want him to run again and may not vote for him again.\nThese two things can both be true.",
">\n\nI voted for Biden.\nI don’t want him to run again.\nIf Trump is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nIf Desantis is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nRepublicans are self proclaimed party of domestic terrorists.\nAs an independent, I will treat them as such and vote blue until they get their shit together.\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nSo NARA seemed to know that there were missing documents and tried to work for months with dt's team to get them back.\nIt has obviously been awhile since biden was vp, was NARA attempting to find these documents all this time? \nI assume that there is a database of all confidential documents and that they are tracked, which is how they knew trump still had certain documents in his possession.\nDid NARA not know these docs were missing? Or they didn't care? That's what I'm curious about.",
">\n\nNARA had no idea that these documents were missing and did not request them. Had Biden's attorneys shredded them no one would ever know about this.",
">\n\nYeah, the Biden situation is more of a condemnation of our systems for tracking classified documents and making sure they don't go missing than it is a scandal for Biden. \nTrump's situation is disturbing because of the lengths he went to in order to keep the documents even after they were requested and conceal the fact that he had them. Hard to imagine a non-nefarious reason for doing that.",
">\n\nSo for the trouble, Garland appointed a Republican operative with a blank check....I wonder how that will go?",
">\n\nI know for a fact that there are still a lot of unbiased judges who aren't political operatives either way (they mostly go one way) in this country so I'm beginning to question Garland's motives or competence at this point."
] |
>
It's certainly interesting seeing the pearl-clutching over classified documents, particularly amongst Republicans, who summarily ignored the subject when it involved DJT. | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now.",
">\n\nHe's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run.",
">\n\nYes he is going to run.\nA lot of people who voted for him don't want him to run again and may not vote for him again.\nThese two things can both be true.",
">\n\nI voted for Biden.\nI don’t want him to run again.\nIf Trump is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nIf Desantis is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nRepublicans are self proclaimed party of domestic terrorists.\nAs an independent, I will treat them as such and vote blue until they get their shit together.\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nSo NARA seemed to know that there were missing documents and tried to work for months with dt's team to get them back.\nIt has obviously been awhile since biden was vp, was NARA attempting to find these documents all this time? \nI assume that there is a database of all confidential documents and that they are tracked, which is how they knew trump still had certain documents in his possession.\nDid NARA not know these docs were missing? Or they didn't care? That's what I'm curious about.",
">\n\nNARA had no idea that these documents were missing and did not request them. Had Biden's attorneys shredded them no one would ever know about this.",
">\n\nYeah, the Biden situation is more of a condemnation of our systems for tracking classified documents and making sure they don't go missing than it is a scandal for Biden. \nTrump's situation is disturbing because of the lengths he went to in order to keep the documents even after they were requested and conceal the fact that he had them. Hard to imagine a non-nefarious reason for doing that.",
">\n\nSo for the trouble, Garland appointed a Republican operative with a blank check....I wonder how that will go?",
">\n\nI know for a fact that there are still a lot of unbiased judges who aren't political operatives either way (they mostly go one way) in this country so I'm beginning to question Garland's motives or competence at this point.",
">\n\nHe was on speed dial at the Federalist Society to moderate their panels. That is not something an organization would likely hand over to someone outside their \"values\""
] |
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They’re still rehashing the line that Trump declassified all the documents he had and that since Biden was VP he couldn’t. So trump is innocent and Biden is a criminal. And if Obama declassified any of those he was only doing it to cover Biden and is also a criminal.
It’s like a straight up parody over there right now. | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now.",
">\n\nHe's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run.",
">\n\nYes he is going to run.\nA lot of people who voted for him don't want him to run again and may not vote for him again.\nThese two things can both be true.",
">\n\nI voted for Biden.\nI don’t want him to run again.\nIf Trump is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nIf Desantis is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nRepublicans are self proclaimed party of domestic terrorists.\nAs an independent, I will treat them as such and vote blue until they get their shit together.\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nSo NARA seemed to know that there were missing documents and tried to work for months with dt's team to get them back.\nIt has obviously been awhile since biden was vp, was NARA attempting to find these documents all this time? \nI assume that there is a database of all confidential documents and that they are tracked, which is how they knew trump still had certain documents in his possession.\nDid NARA not know these docs were missing? Or they didn't care? That's what I'm curious about.",
">\n\nNARA had no idea that these documents were missing and did not request them. Had Biden's attorneys shredded them no one would ever know about this.",
">\n\nYeah, the Biden situation is more of a condemnation of our systems for tracking classified documents and making sure they don't go missing than it is a scandal for Biden. \nTrump's situation is disturbing because of the lengths he went to in order to keep the documents even after they were requested and conceal the fact that he had them. Hard to imagine a non-nefarious reason for doing that.",
">\n\nSo for the trouble, Garland appointed a Republican operative with a blank check....I wonder how that will go?",
">\n\nI know for a fact that there are still a lot of unbiased judges who aren't political operatives either way (they mostly go one way) in this country so I'm beginning to question Garland's motives or competence at this point.",
">\n\nHe was on speed dial at the Federalist Society to moderate their panels. That is not something an organization would likely hand over to someone outside their \"values\"",
">\n\nIt's certainly interesting seeing the pearl-clutching over classified documents, particularly amongst Republicans, who summarily ignored the subject when it involved DJT."
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The DOJ isn't even arguing the classification status in court. From what I understand they're investigating him for being in possession of defense documents without authorization. | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now.",
">\n\nHe's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run.",
">\n\nYes he is going to run.\nA lot of people who voted for him don't want him to run again and may not vote for him again.\nThese two things can both be true.",
">\n\nI voted for Biden.\nI don’t want him to run again.\nIf Trump is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nIf Desantis is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nRepublicans are self proclaimed party of domestic terrorists.\nAs an independent, I will treat them as such and vote blue until they get their shit together.\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nSo NARA seemed to know that there were missing documents and tried to work for months with dt's team to get them back.\nIt has obviously been awhile since biden was vp, was NARA attempting to find these documents all this time? \nI assume that there is a database of all confidential documents and that they are tracked, which is how they knew trump still had certain documents in his possession.\nDid NARA not know these docs were missing? Or they didn't care? That's what I'm curious about.",
">\n\nNARA had no idea that these documents were missing and did not request them. Had Biden's attorneys shredded them no one would ever know about this.",
">\n\nYeah, the Biden situation is more of a condemnation of our systems for tracking classified documents and making sure they don't go missing than it is a scandal for Biden. \nTrump's situation is disturbing because of the lengths he went to in order to keep the documents even after they were requested and conceal the fact that he had them. Hard to imagine a non-nefarious reason for doing that.",
">\n\nSo for the trouble, Garland appointed a Republican operative with a blank check....I wonder how that will go?",
">\n\nI know for a fact that there are still a lot of unbiased judges who aren't political operatives either way (they mostly go one way) in this country so I'm beginning to question Garland's motives or competence at this point.",
">\n\nHe was on speed dial at the Federalist Society to moderate their panels. That is not something an organization would likely hand over to someone outside their \"values\"",
">\n\nIt's certainly interesting seeing the pearl-clutching over classified documents, particularly amongst Republicans, who summarily ignored the subject when it involved DJT.",
">\n\nThey’re still rehashing the line that Trump declassified all the documents he had and that since Biden was VP he couldn’t. So trump is innocent and Biden is a criminal. And if Obama declassified any of those he was only doing it to cover Biden and is also a criminal.\nIt’s like a straight up parody over there right now."
] |
>
And now that there’s a special counsel this will be investigated and the truth will come out.
It won’t be satisfying for a lot of people but the truth of what happened here is important.
As well as what measures we can take to further prevent things like this from happening.
But like, the conservative goalposts keep moving. They’re just treading through them as fast as they can. A new one is that Trump has secret service protecting his documents while Biden didn’t.
Biden still had secret service protection. And saying Trumps protected it means conspiracy. So that’s super fun. | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now.",
">\n\nHe's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run.",
">\n\nYes he is going to run.\nA lot of people who voted for him don't want him to run again and may not vote for him again.\nThese two things can both be true.",
">\n\nI voted for Biden.\nI don’t want him to run again.\nIf Trump is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nIf Desantis is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nRepublicans are self proclaimed party of domestic terrorists.\nAs an independent, I will treat them as such and vote blue until they get their shit together.\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nSo NARA seemed to know that there were missing documents and tried to work for months with dt's team to get them back.\nIt has obviously been awhile since biden was vp, was NARA attempting to find these documents all this time? \nI assume that there is a database of all confidential documents and that they are tracked, which is how they knew trump still had certain documents in his possession.\nDid NARA not know these docs were missing? Or they didn't care? That's what I'm curious about.",
">\n\nNARA had no idea that these documents were missing and did not request them. Had Biden's attorneys shredded them no one would ever know about this.",
">\n\nYeah, the Biden situation is more of a condemnation of our systems for tracking classified documents and making sure they don't go missing than it is a scandal for Biden. \nTrump's situation is disturbing because of the lengths he went to in order to keep the documents even after they were requested and conceal the fact that he had them. Hard to imagine a non-nefarious reason for doing that.",
">\n\nSo for the trouble, Garland appointed a Republican operative with a blank check....I wonder how that will go?",
">\n\nI know for a fact that there are still a lot of unbiased judges who aren't political operatives either way (they mostly go one way) in this country so I'm beginning to question Garland's motives or competence at this point.",
">\n\nHe was on speed dial at the Federalist Society to moderate their panels. That is not something an organization would likely hand over to someone outside their \"values\"",
">\n\nIt's certainly interesting seeing the pearl-clutching over classified documents, particularly amongst Republicans, who summarily ignored the subject when it involved DJT.",
">\n\nThey’re still rehashing the line that Trump declassified all the documents he had and that since Biden was VP he couldn’t. So trump is innocent and Biden is a criminal. And if Obama declassified any of those he was only doing it to cover Biden and is also a criminal.\nIt’s like a straight up parody over there right now.",
">\n\nThe DOJ isn't even arguing the classification status in court. From what I understand they're investigating him for being in possession of defense documents without authorization."
] |
>
I wonder if they know Secret Service protects the individual and not property. When he's not at MAL the Secret Service isn't either, they go where he goes. He has to have private security for that. It's the same reason there weren't Secret Service agents protecting Pelosi's house. | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now.",
">\n\nHe's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run.",
">\n\nYes he is going to run.\nA lot of people who voted for him don't want him to run again and may not vote for him again.\nThese two things can both be true.",
">\n\nI voted for Biden.\nI don’t want him to run again.\nIf Trump is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nIf Desantis is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nRepublicans are self proclaimed party of domestic terrorists.\nAs an independent, I will treat them as such and vote blue until they get their shit together.\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nSo NARA seemed to know that there were missing documents and tried to work for months with dt's team to get them back.\nIt has obviously been awhile since biden was vp, was NARA attempting to find these documents all this time? \nI assume that there is a database of all confidential documents and that they are tracked, which is how they knew trump still had certain documents in his possession.\nDid NARA not know these docs were missing? Or they didn't care? That's what I'm curious about.",
">\n\nNARA had no idea that these documents were missing and did not request them. Had Biden's attorneys shredded them no one would ever know about this.",
">\n\nYeah, the Biden situation is more of a condemnation of our systems for tracking classified documents and making sure they don't go missing than it is a scandal for Biden. \nTrump's situation is disturbing because of the lengths he went to in order to keep the documents even after they were requested and conceal the fact that he had them. Hard to imagine a non-nefarious reason for doing that.",
">\n\nSo for the trouble, Garland appointed a Republican operative with a blank check....I wonder how that will go?",
">\n\nI know for a fact that there are still a lot of unbiased judges who aren't political operatives either way (they mostly go one way) in this country so I'm beginning to question Garland's motives or competence at this point.",
">\n\nHe was on speed dial at the Federalist Society to moderate their panels. That is not something an organization would likely hand over to someone outside their \"values\"",
">\n\nIt's certainly interesting seeing the pearl-clutching over classified documents, particularly amongst Republicans, who summarily ignored the subject when it involved DJT.",
">\n\nThey’re still rehashing the line that Trump declassified all the documents he had and that since Biden was VP he couldn’t. So trump is innocent and Biden is a criminal. And if Obama declassified any of those he was only doing it to cover Biden and is also a criminal.\nIt’s like a straight up parody over there right now.",
">\n\nThe DOJ isn't even arguing the classification status in court. From what I understand they're investigating him for being in possession of defense documents without authorization.",
">\n\nAnd now that there’s a special counsel this will be investigated and the truth will come out.\nIt won’t be satisfying for a lot of people but the truth of what happened here is important.\nAs well as what measures we can take to further prevent things like this from happening. \nBut like, the conservative goalposts keep moving. They’re just treading through them as fast as they can. A new one is that Trump has secret service protecting his documents while Biden didn’t. \nBiden still had secret service protection. And saying Trumps protected it means conspiracy. So that’s super fun."
] |
>
At the end of the day it is what it is and if Biden is guilty he’s guilty.
There’s no dancing around the issues.
But if Biden is guilty, then Trump is guilty. It’s not one or the other here, which is what they’re saying.
It’s just amazing watching them bend over backwards to say how Biden belongs in prison and Trump did nothing wrong. | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now.",
">\n\nHe's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run.",
">\n\nYes he is going to run.\nA lot of people who voted for him don't want him to run again and may not vote for him again.\nThese two things can both be true.",
">\n\nI voted for Biden.\nI don’t want him to run again.\nIf Trump is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nIf Desantis is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nRepublicans are self proclaimed party of domestic terrorists.\nAs an independent, I will treat them as such and vote blue until they get their shit together.\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nSo NARA seemed to know that there were missing documents and tried to work for months with dt's team to get them back.\nIt has obviously been awhile since biden was vp, was NARA attempting to find these documents all this time? \nI assume that there is a database of all confidential documents and that they are tracked, which is how they knew trump still had certain documents in his possession.\nDid NARA not know these docs were missing? Or they didn't care? That's what I'm curious about.",
">\n\nNARA had no idea that these documents were missing and did not request them. Had Biden's attorneys shredded them no one would ever know about this.",
">\n\nYeah, the Biden situation is more of a condemnation of our systems for tracking classified documents and making sure they don't go missing than it is a scandal for Biden. \nTrump's situation is disturbing because of the lengths he went to in order to keep the documents even after they were requested and conceal the fact that he had them. Hard to imagine a non-nefarious reason for doing that.",
">\n\nSo for the trouble, Garland appointed a Republican operative with a blank check....I wonder how that will go?",
">\n\nI know for a fact that there are still a lot of unbiased judges who aren't political operatives either way (they mostly go one way) in this country so I'm beginning to question Garland's motives or competence at this point.",
">\n\nHe was on speed dial at the Federalist Society to moderate their panels. That is not something an organization would likely hand over to someone outside their \"values\"",
">\n\nIt's certainly interesting seeing the pearl-clutching over classified documents, particularly amongst Republicans, who summarily ignored the subject when it involved DJT.",
">\n\nThey’re still rehashing the line that Trump declassified all the documents he had and that since Biden was VP he couldn’t. So trump is innocent and Biden is a criminal. And if Obama declassified any of those he was only doing it to cover Biden and is also a criminal.\nIt’s like a straight up parody over there right now.",
">\n\nThe DOJ isn't even arguing the classification status in court. From what I understand they're investigating him for being in possession of defense documents without authorization.",
">\n\nAnd now that there’s a special counsel this will be investigated and the truth will come out.\nIt won’t be satisfying for a lot of people but the truth of what happened here is important.\nAs well as what measures we can take to further prevent things like this from happening. \nBut like, the conservative goalposts keep moving. They’re just treading through them as fast as they can. A new one is that Trump has secret service protecting his documents while Biden didn’t. \nBiden still had secret service protection. And saying Trumps protected it means conspiracy. So that’s super fun.",
">\n\nI wonder if they know Secret Service protects the individual and not property. When he's not at MAL the Secret Service isn't either, they go where he goes. He has to have private security for that. It's the same reason there weren't Secret Service agents protecting Pelosi's house."
] |
>
NARA knew Trump still had documents and requested them for almost a year before the first batch were returned, DOJ was involved only after the first batch was returned. Shortly after that it was reported. They knew things were missing and it was kept quiet for a year.
NARA didn't know Biden still had documents, when they were discovered and returned DOJ got involved and shortly after that it was reported.
There's not much difference in how the DOJ handled the two cases publicly. The only difference was that the refusal to turn over the rest of the documents was kept quiet until the Maralago search happened. If they find more, we're going to hear about each single scrap of paper Biden's lawyers voluntarily turn over. One by one, a constant trickle in the news cycle. | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now.",
">\n\nHe's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run.",
">\n\nYes he is going to run.\nA lot of people who voted for him don't want him to run again and may not vote for him again.\nThese two things can both be true.",
">\n\nI voted for Biden.\nI don’t want him to run again.\nIf Trump is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nIf Desantis is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nRepublicans are self proclaimed party of domestic terrorists.\nAs an independent, I will treat them as such and vote blue until they get their shit together.\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nSo NARA seemed to know that there were missing documents and tried to work for months with dt's team to get them back.\nIt has obviously been awhile since biden was vp, was NARA attempting to find these documents all this time? \nI assume that there is a database of all confidential documents and that they are tracked, which is how they knew trump still had certain documents in his possession.\nDid NARA not know these docs were missing? Or they didn't care? That's what I'm curious about.",
">\n\nNARA had no idea that these documents were missing and did not request them. Had Biden's attorneys shredded them no one would ever know about this.",
">\n\nYeah, the Biden situation is more of a condemnation of our systems for tracking classified documents and making sure they don't go missing than it is a scandal for Biden. \nTrump's situation is disturbing because of the lengths he went to in order to keep the documents even after they were requested and conceal the fact that he had them. Hard to imagine a non-nefarious reason for doing that.",
">\n\nSo for the trouble, Garland appointed a Republican operative with a blank check....I wonder how that will go?",
">\n\nI know for a fact that there are still a lot of unbiased judges who aren't political operatives either way (they mostly go one way) in this country so I'm beginning to question Garland's motives or competence at this point.",
">\n\nHe was on speed dial at the Federalist Society to moderate their panels. That is not something an organization would likely hand over to someone outside their \"values\"",
">\n\nIt's certainly interesting seeing the pearl-clutching over classified documents, particularly amongst Republicans, who summarily ignored the subject when it involved DJT.",
">\n\nThey’re still rehashing the line that Trump declassified all the documents he had and that since Biden was VP he couldn’t. So trump is innocent and Biden is a criminal. And if Obama declassified any of those he was only doing it to cover Biden and is also a criminal.\nIt’s like a straight up parody over there right now.",
">\n\nThe DOJ isn't even arguing the classification status in court. From what I understand they're investigating him for being in possession of defense documents without authorization.",
">\n\nAnd now that there’s a special counsel this will be investigated and the truth will come out.\nIt won’t be satisfying for a lot of people but the truth of what happened here is important.\nAs well as what measures we can take to further prevent things like this from happening. \nBut like, the conservative goalposts keep moving. They’re just treading through them as fast as they can. A new one is that Trump has secret service protecting his documents while Biden didn’t. \nBiden still had secret service protection. And saying Trumps protected it means conspiracy. So that’s super fun.",
">\n\nI wonder if they know Secret Service protects the individual and not property. When he's not at MAL the Secret Service isn't either, they go where he goes. He has to have private security for that. It's the same reason there weren't Secret Service agents protecting Pelosi's house.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day it is what it is and if Biden is guilty he’s guilty. \nThere’s no dancing around the issues. \nBut if Biden is guilty, then Trump is guilty. It’s not one or the other here, which is what they’re saying.\nIt’s just amazing watching them bend over backwards to say how Biden belongs in prison and Trump did nothing wrong."
] |
>
The difference is intent, quantity, quality, lying and obstruction.
The similarities are they are classified docs.
One is robbing the bank and the other is forgetting to deposit the checks. | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now.",
">\n\nHe's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run.",
">\n\nYes he is going to run.\nA lot of people who voted for him don't want him to run again and may not vote for him again.\nThese two things can both be true.",
">\n\nI voted for Biden.\nI don’t want him to run again.\nIf Trump is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nIf Desantis is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nRepublicans are self proclaimed party of domestic terrorists.\nAs an independent, I will treat them as such and vote blue until they get their shit together.\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nSo NARA seemed to know that there were missing documents and tried to work for months with dt's team to get them back.\nIt has obviously been awhile since biden was vp, was NARA attempting to find these documents all this time? \nI assume that there is a database of all confidential documents and that they are tracked, which is how they knew trump still had certain documents in his possession.\nDid NARA not know these docs were missing? Or they didn't care? That's what I'm curious about.",
">\n\nNARA had no idea that these documents were missing and did not request them. Had Biden's attorneys shredded them no one would ever know about this.",
">\n\nYeah, the Biden situation is more of a condemnation of our systems for tracking classified documents and making sure they don't go missing than it is a scandal for Biden. \nTrump's situation is disturbing because of the lengths he went to in order to keep the documents even after they were requested and conceal the fact that he had them. Hard to imagine a non-nefarious reason for doing that.",
">\n\nSo for the trouble, Garland appointed a Republican operative with a blank check....I wonder how that will go?",
">\n\nI know for a fact that there are still a lot of unbiased judges who aren't political operatives either way (they mostly go one way) in this country so I'm beginning to question Garland's motives or competence at this point.",
">\n\nHe was on speed dial at the Federalist Society to moderate their panels. That is not something an organization would likely hand over to someone outside their \"values\"",
">\n\nIt's certainly interesting seeing the pearl-clutching over classified documents, particularly amongst Republicans, who summarily ignored the subject when it involved DJT.",
">\n\nThey’re still rehashing the line that Trump declassified all the documents he had and that since Biden was VP he couldn’t. So trump is innocent and Biden is a criminal. And if Obama declassified any of those he was only doing it to cover Biden and is also a criminal.\nIt’s like a straight up parody over there right now.",
">\n\nThe DOJ isn't even arguing the classification status in court. From what I understand they're investigating him for being in possession of defense documents without authorization.",
">\n\nAnd now that there’s a special counsel this will be investigated and the truth will come out.\nIt won’t be satisfying for a lot of people but the truth of what happened here is important.\nAs well as what measures we can take to further prevent things like this from happening. \nBut like, the conservative goalposts keep moving. They’re just treading through them as fast as they can. A new one is that Trump has secret service protecting his documents while Biden didn’t. \nBiden still had secret service protection. And saying Trumps protected it means conspiracy. So that’s super fun.",
">\n\nI wonder if they know Secret Service protects the individual and not property. When he's not at MAL the Secret Service isn't either, they go where he goes. He has to have private security for that. It's the same reason there weren't Secret Service agents protecting Pelosi's house.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day it is what it is and if Biden is guilty he’s guilty. \nThere’s no dancing around the issues. \nBut if Biden is guilty, then Trump is guilty. It’s not one or the other here, which is what they’re saying.\nIt’s just amazing watching them bend over backwards to say how Biden belongs in prison and Trump did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNARA knew Trump still had documents and requested them for almost a year before the first batch were returned, DOJ was involved only after the first batch was returned. Shortly after that it was reported. They knew things were missing and it was kept quiet for a year. \nNARA didn't know Biden still had documents, when they were discovered and returned DOJ got involved and shortly after that it was reported. \nThere's not much difference in how the DOJ handled the two cases publicly. The only difference was that the refusal to turn over the rest of the documents was kept quiet until the Maralago search happened. If they find more, we're going to hear about each single scrap of paper Biden's lawyers voluntarily turn over. One by one, a constant trickle in the news cycle."
] |
>
The MAGA cult doesn't understand nuance unfortunately. In their mind, what Biden "did" is already worse than what Trump did. | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now.",
">\n\nHe's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run.",
">\n\nYes he is going to run.\nA lot of people who voted for him don't want him to run again and may not vote for him again.\nThese two things can both be true.",
">\n\nI voted for Biden.\nI don’t want him to run again.\nIf Trump is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nIf Desantis is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nRepublicans are self proclaimed party of domestic terrorists.\nAs an independent, I will treat them as such and vote blue until they get their shit together.\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nSo NARA seemed to know that there were missing documents and tried to work for months with dt's team to get them back.\nIt has obviously been awhile since biden was vp, was NARA attempting to find these documents all this time? \nI assume that there is a database of all confidential documents and that they are tracked, which is how they knew trump still had certain documents in his possession.\nDid NARA not know these docs were missing? Or they didn't care? That's what I'm curious about.",
">\n\nNARA had no idea that these documents were missing and did not request them. Had Biden's attorneys shredded them no one would ever know about this.",
">\n\nYeah, the Biden situation is more of a condemnation of our systems for tracking classified documents and making sure they don't go missing than it is a scandal for Biden. \nTrump's situation is disturbing because of the lengths he went to in order to keep the documents even after they were requested and conceal the fact that he had them. Hard to imagine a non-nefarious reason for doing that.",
">\n\nSo for the trouble, Garland appointed a Republican operative with a blank check....I wonder how that will go?",
">\n\nI know for a fact that there are still a lot of unbiased judges who aren't political operatives either way (they mostly go one way) in this country so I'm beginning to question Garland's motives or competence at this point.",
">\n\nHe was on speed dial at the Federalist Society to moderate their panels. That is not something an organization would likely hand over to someone outside their \"values\"",
">\n\nIt's certainly interesting seeing the pearl-clutching over classified documents, particularly amongst Republicans, who summarily ignored the subject when it involved DJT.",
">\n\nThey’re still rehashing the line that Trump declassified all the documents he had and that since Biden was VP he couldn’t. So trump is innocent and Biden is a criminal. And if Obama declassified any of those he was only doing it to cover Biden and is also a criminal.\nIt’s like a straight up parody over there right now.",
">\n\nThe DOJ isn't even arguing the classification status in court. From what I understand they're investigating him for being in possession of defense documents without authorization.",
">\n\nAnd now that there’s a special counsel this will be investigated and the truth will come out.\nIt won’t be satisfying for a lot of people but the truth of what happened here is important.\nAs well as what measures we can take to further prevent things like this from happening. \nBut like, the conservative goalposts keep moving. They’re just treading through them as fast as they can. A new one is that Trump has secret service protecting his documents while Biden didn’t. \nBiden still had secret service protection. And saying Trumps protected it means conspiracy. So that’s super fun.",
">\n\nI wonder if they know Secret Service protects the individual and not property. When he's not at MAL the Secret Service isn't either, they go where he goes. He has to have private security for that. It's the same reason there weren't Secret Service agents protecting Pelosi's house.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day it is what it is and if Biden is guilty he’s guilty. \nThere’s no dancing around the issues. \nBut if Biden is guilty, then Trump is guilty. It’s not one or the other here, which is what they’re saying.\nIt’s just amazing watching them bend over backwards to say how Biden belongs in prison and Trump did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNARA knew Trump still had documents and requested them for almost a year before the first batch were returned, DOJ was involved only after the first batch was returned. Shortly after that it was reported. They knew things were missing and it was kept quiet for a year. \nNARA didn't know Biden still had documents, when they were discovered and returned DOJ got involved and shortly after that it was reported. \nThere's not much difference in how the DOJ handled the two cases publicly. The only difference was that the refusal to turn over the rest of the documents was kept quiet until the Maralago search happened. If they find more, we're going to hear about each single scrap of paper Biden's lawyers voluntarily turn over. One by one, a constant trickle in the news cycle.",
">\n\nThe difference is intent, quantity, quality, lying and obstruction. \nThe similarities are they are classified docs. \nOne is robbing the bank and the other is forgetting to deposit the checks."
] |
>
It's not about nuance. It's about their worldview.
In their mind, their "team" can do no wrong, no matter what horrible shit they pull. It's always for the "greater good of Murica."
By contrast, in their mind the "other team" can do no right. Even if Biden himself single-handedly cured cancer and was lifted to the heavens by a choir of angels, they would still see some nefarious plot to destroy the country. | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now.",
">\n\nHe's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run.",
">\n\nYes he is going to run.\nA lot of people who voted for him don't want him to run again and may not vote for him again.\nThese two things can both be true.",
">\n\nI voted for Biden.\nI don’t want him to run again.\nIf Trump is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nIf Desantis is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nRepublicans are self proclaimed party of domestic terrorists.\nAs an independent, I will treat them as such and vote blue until they get their shit together.\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nSo NARA seemed to know that there were missing documents and tried to work for months with dt's team to get them back.\nIt has obviously been awhile since biden was vp, was NARA attempting to find these documents all this time? \nI assume that there is a database of all confidential documents and that they are tracked, which is how they knew trump still had certain documents in his possession.\nDid NARA not know these docs were missing? Or they didn't care? That's what I'm curious about.",
">\n\nNARA had no idea that these documents were missing and did not request them. Had Biden's attorneys shredded them no one would ever know about this.",
">\n\nYeah, the Biden situation is more of a condemnation of our systems for tracking classified documents and making sure they don't go missing than it is a scandal for Biden. \nTrump's situation is disturbing because of the lengths he went to in order to keep the documents even after they were requested and conceal the fact that he had them. Hard to imagine a non-nefarious reason for doing that.",
">\n\nSo for the trouble, Garland appointed a Republican operative with a blank check....I wonder how that will go?",
">\n\nI know for a fact that there are still a lot of unbiased judges who aren't political operatives either way (they mostly go one way) in this country so I'm beginning to question Garland's motives or competence at this point.",
">\n\nHe was on speed dial at the Federalist Society to moderate their panels. That is not something an organization would likely hand over to someone outside their \"values\"",
">\n\nIt's certainly interesting seeing the pearl-clutching over classified documents, particularly amongst Republicans, who summarily ignored the subject when it involved DJT.",
">\n\nThey’re still rehashing the line that Trump declassified all the documents he had and that since Biden was VP he couldn’t. So trump is innocent and Biden is a criminal. And if Obama declassified any of those he was only doing it to cover Biden and is also a criminal.\nIt’s like a straight up parody over there right now.",
">\n\nThe DOJ isn't even arguing the classification status in court. From what I understand they're investigating him for being in possession of defense documents without authorization.",
">\n\nAnd now that there’s a special counsel this will be investigated and the truth will come out.\nIt won’t be satisfying for a lot of people but the truth of what happened here is important.\nAs well as what measures we can take to further prevent things like this from happening. \nBut like, the conservative goalposts keep moving. They’re just treading through them as fast as they can. A new one is that Trump has secret service protecting his documents while Biden didn’t. \nBiden still had secret service protection. And saying Trumps protected it means conspiracy. So that’s super fun.",
">\n\nI wonder if they know Secret Service protects the individual and not property. When he's not at MAL the Secret Service isn't either, they go where he goes. He has to have private security for that. It's the same reason there weren't Secret Service agents protecting Pelosi's house.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day it is what it is and if Biden is guilty he’s guilty. \nThere’s no dancing around the issues. \nBut if Biden is guilty, then Trump is guilty. It’s not one or the other here, which is what they’re saying.\nIt’s just amazing watching them bend over backwards to say how Biden belongs in prison and Trump did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNARA knew Trump still had documents and requested them for almost a year before the first batch were returned, DOJ was involved only after the first batch was returned. Shortly after that it was reported. They knew things were missing and it was kept quiet for a year. \nNARA didn't know Biden still had documents, when they were discovered and returned DOJ got involved and shortly after that it was reported. \nThere's not much difference in how the DOJ handled the two cases publicly. The only difference was that the refusal to turn over the rest of the documents was kept quiet until the Maralago search happened. If they find more, we're going to hear about each single scrap of paper Biden's lawyers voluntarily turn over. One by one, a constant trickle in the news cycle.",
">\n\nThe difference is intent, quantity, quality, lying and obstruction. \nThe similarities are they are classified docs. \nOne is robbing the bank and the other is forgetting to deposit the checks.",
">\n\nThe MAGA cult doesn't understand nuance unfortunately. In their mind, what Biden \"did\" is already worse than what Trump did."
] |
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A large number of them would still choose to die of cancer out of spite. The rest would die from overdoses of gymnasium floor cleaner or whatever other pseudoscience nonsense their cult leaders are peddling at the time. | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now.",
">\n\nHe's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run.",
">\n\nYes he is going to run.\nA lot of people who voted for him don't want him to run again and may not vote for him again.\nThese two things can both be true.",
">\n\nI voted for Biden.\nI don’t want him to run again.\nIf Trump is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nIf Desantis is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nRepublicans are self proclaimed party of domestic terrorists.\nAs an independent, I will treat them as such and vote blue until they get their shit together.\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nSo NARA seemed to know that there were missing documents and tried to work for months with dt's team to get them back.\nIt has obviously been awhile since biden was vp, was NARA attempting to find these documents all this time? \nI assume that there is a database of all confidential documents and that they are tracked, which is how they knew trump still had certain documents in his possession.\nDid NARA not know these docs were missing? Or they didn't care? That's what I'm curious about.",
">\n\nNARA had no idea that these documents were missing and did not request them. Had Biden's attorneys shredded them no one would ever know about this.",
">\n\nYeah, the Biden situation is more of a condemnation of our systems for tracking classified documents and making sure they don't go missing than it is a scandal for Biden. \nTrump's situation is disturbing because of the lengths he went to in order to keep the documents even after they were requested and conceal the fact that he had them. Hard to imagine a non-nefarious reason for doing that.",
">\n\nSo for the trouble, Garland appointed a Republican operative with a blank check....I wonder how that will go?",
">\n\nI know for a fact that there are still a lot of unbiased judges who aren't political operatives either way (they mostly go one way) in this country so I'm beginning to question Garland's motives or competence at this point.",
">\n\nHe was on speed dial at the Federalist Society to moderate their panels. That is not something an organization would likely hand over to someone outside their \"values\"",
">\n\nIt's certainly interesting seeing the pearl-clutching over classified documents, particularly amongst Republicans, who summarily ignored the subject when it involved DJT.",
">\n\nThey’re still rehashing the line that Trump declassified all the documents he had and that since Biden was VP he couldn’t. So trump is innocent and Biden is a criminal. And if Obama declassified any of those he was only doing it to cover Biden and is also a criminal.\nIt’s like a straight up parody over there right now.",
">\n\nThe DOJ isn't even arguing the classification status in court. From what I understand they're investigating him for being in possession of defense documents without authorization.",
">\n\nAnd now that there’s a special counsel this will be investigated and the truth will come out.\nIt won’t be satisfying for a lot of people but the truth of what happened here is important.\nAs well as what measures we can take to further prevent things like this from happening. \nBut like, the conservative goalposts keep moving. They’re just treading through them as fast as they can. A new one is that Trump has secret service protecting his documents while Biden didn’t. \nBiden still had secret service protection. And saying Trumps protected it means conspiracy. So that’s super fun.",
">\n\nI wonder if they know Secret Service protects the individual and not property. When he's not at MAL the Secret Service isn't either, they go where he goes. He has to have private security for that. It's the same reason there weren't Secret Service agents protecting Pelosi's house.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day it is what it is and if Biden is guilty he’s guilty. \nThere’s no dancing around the issues. \nBut if Biden is guilty, then Trump is guilty. It’s not one or the other here, which is what they’re saying.\nIt’s just amazing watching them bend over backwards to say how Biden belongs in prison and Trump did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNARA knew Trump still had documents and requested them for almost a year before the first batch were returned, DOJ was involved only after the first batch was returned. Shortly after that it was reported. They knew things were missing and it was kept quiet for a year. \nNARA didn't know Biden still had documents, when they were discovered and returned DOJ got involved and shortly after that it was reported. \nThere's not much difference in how the DOJ handled the two cases publicly. The only difference was that the refusal to turn over the rest of the documents was kept quiet until the Maralago search happened. If they find more, we're going to hear about each single scrap of paper Biden's lawyers voluntarily turn over. One by one, a constant trickle in the news cycle.",
">\n\nThe difference is intent, quantity, quality, lying and obstruction. \nThe similarities are they are classified docs. \nOne is robbing the bank and the other is forgetting to deposit the checks.",
">\n\nThe MAGA cult doesn't understand nuance unfortunately. In their mind, what Biden \"did\" is already worse than what Trump did.",
">\n\nIt's not about nuance. It's about their worldview. \nIn their mind, their \"team\" can do no wrong, no matter what horrible shit they pull. It's always for the \"greater good of Murica.\"\nBy contrast, in their mind the \"other team\" can do no right. Even if Biden himself single-handedly cured cancer and was lifted to the heavens by a choir of angels, they would still see some nefarious plot to destroy the country."
] |
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Difference between Republicans and Liberals:
I, as a liberal, am all for an independent investigation into potential wrongdoing and/or negligience by Biden over the documents, and to be held accountable if required.
Republicans want no investigation into Trump or other Republicans for ANYTHING.
Don't "both sides" this. | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now.",
">\n\nHe's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run.",
">\n\nYes he is going to run.\nA lot of people who voted for him don't want him to run again and may not vote for him again.\nThese two things can both be true.",
">\n\nI voted for Biden.\nI don’t want him to run again.\nIf Trump is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nIf Desantis is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nRepublicans are self proclaimed party of domestic terrorists.\nAs an independent, I will treat them as such and vote blue until they get their shit together.\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nSo NARA seemed to know that there were missing documents and tried to work for months with dt's team to get them back.\nIt has obviously been awhile since biden was vp, was NARA attempting to find these documents all this time? \nI assume that there is a database of all confidential documents and that they are tracked, which is how they knew trump still had certain documents in his possession.\nDid NARA not know these docs were missing? Or they didn't care? That's what I'm curious about.",
">\n\nNARA had no idea that these documents were missing and did not request them. Had Biden's attorneys shredded them no one would ever know about this.",
">\n\nYeah, the Biden situation is more of a condemnation of our systems for tracking classified documents and making sure they don't go missing than it is a scandal for Biden. \nTrump's situation is disturbing because of the lengths he went to in order to keep the documents even after they were requested and conceal the fact that he had them. Hard to imagine a non-nefarious reason for doing that.",
">\n\nSo for the trouble, Garland appointed a Republican operative with a blank check....I wonder how that will go?",
">\n\nI know for a fact that there are still a lot of unbiased judges who aren't political operatives either way (they mostly go one way) in this country so I'm beginning to question Garland's motives or competence at this point.",
">\n\nHe was on speed dial at the Federalist Society to moderate their panels. That is not something an organization would likely hand over to someone outside their \"values\"",
">\n\nIt's certainly interesting seeing the pearl-clutching over classified documents, particularly amongst Republicans, who summarily ignored the subject when it involved DJT.",
">\n\nThey’re still rehashing the line that Trump declassified all the documents he had and that since Biden was VP he couldn’t. So trump is innocent and Biden is a criminal. And if Obama declassified any of those he was only doing it to cover Biden and is also a criminal.\nIt’s like a straight up parody over there right now.",
">\n\nThe DOJ isn't even arguing the classification status in court. From what I understand they're investigating him for being in possession of defense documents without authorization.",
">\n\nAnd now that there’s a special counsel this will be investigated and the truth will come out.\nIt won’t be satisfying for a lot of people but the truth of what happened here is important.\nAs well as what measures we can take to further prevent things like this from happening. \nBut like, the conservative goalposts keep moving. They’re just treading through them as fast as they can. A new one is that Trump has secret service protecting his documents while Biden didn’t. \nBiden still had secret service protection. And saying Trumps protected it means conspiracy. So that’s super fun.",
">\n\nI wonder if they know Secret Service protects the individual and not property. When he's not at MAL the Secret Service isn't either, they go where he goes. He has to have private security for that. It's the same reason there weren't Secret Service agents protecting Pelosi's house.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day it is what it is and if Biden is guilty he’s guilty. \nThere’s no dancing around the issues. \nBut if Biden is guilty, then Trump is guilty. It’s not one or the other here, which is what they’re saying.\nIt’s just amazing watching them bend over backwards to say how Biden belongs in prison and Trump did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNARA knew Trump still had documents and requested them for almost a year before the first batch were returned, DOJ was involved only after the first batch was returned. Shortly after that it was reported. They knew things were missing and it was kept quiet for a year. \nNARA didn't know Biden still had documents, when they were discovered and returned DOJ got involved and shortly after that it was reported. \nThere's not much difference in how the DOJ handled the two cases publicly. The only difference was that the refusal to turn over the rest of the documents was kept quiet until the Maralago search happened. If they find more, we're going to hear about each single scrap of paper Biden's lawyers voluntarily turn over. One by one, a constant trickle in the news cycle.",
">\n\nThe difference is intent, quantity, quality, lying and obstruction. \nThe similarities are they are classified docs. \nOne is robbing the bank and the other is forgetting to deposit the checks.",
">\n\nThe MAGA cult doesn't understand nuance unfortunately. In their mind, what Biden \"did\" is already worse than what Trump did.",
">\n\nIt's not about nuance. It's about their worldview. \nIn their mind, their \"team\" can do no wrong, no matter what horrible shit they pull. It's always for the \"greater good of Murica.\"\nBy contrast, in their mind the \"other team\" can do no right. Even if Biden himself single-handedly cured cancer and was lifted to the heavens by a choir of angels, they would still see some nefarious plot to destroy the country.",
">\n\nA large number of them would still choose to die of cancer out of spite. The rest would die from overdoses of gymnasium floor cleaner or whatever other pseudoscience nonsense their cult leaders are peddling at the time."
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We shouldn't allow them to make it equivalent either.. | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now.",
">\n\nHe's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run.",
">\n\nYes he is going to run.\nA lot of people who voted for him don't want him to run again and may not vote for him again.\nThese two things can both be true.",
">\n\nI voted for Biden.\nI don’t want him to run again.\nIf Trump is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nIf Desantis is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nRepublicans are self proclaimed party of domestic terrorists.\nAs an independent, I will treat them as such and vote blue until they get their shit together.\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nSo NARA seemed to know that there were missing documents and tried to work for months with dt's team to get them back.\nIt has obviously been awhile since biden was vp, was NARA attempting to find these documents all this time? \nI assume that there is a database of all confidential documents and that they are tracked, which is how they knew trump still had certain documents in his possession.\nDid NARA not know these docs were missing? Or they didn't care? That's what I'm curious about.",
">\n\nNARA had no idea that these documents were missing and did not request them. Had Biden's attorneys shredded them no one would ever know about this.",
">\n\nYeah, the Biden situation is more of a condemnation of our systems for tracking classified documents and making sure they don't go missing than it is a scandal for Biden. \nTrump's situation is disturbing because of the lengths he went to in order to keep the documents even after they were requested and conceal the fact that he had them. Hard to imagine a non-nefarious reason for doing that.",
">\n\nSo for the trouble, Garland appointed a Republican operative with a blank check....I wonder how that will go?",
">\n\nI know for a fact that there are still a lot of unbiased judges who aren't political operatives either way (they mostly go one way) in this country so I'm beginning to question Garland's motives or competence at this point.",
">\n\nHe was on speed dial at the Federalist Society to moderate their panels. That is not something an organization would likely hand over to someone outside their \"values\"",
">\n\nIt's certainly interesting seeing the pearl-clutching over classified documents, particularly amongst Republicans, who summarily ignored the subject when it involved DJT.",
">\n\nThey’re still rehashing the line that Trump declassified all the documents he had and that since Biden was VP he couldn’t. So trump is innocent and Biden is a criminal. And if Obama declassified any of those he was only doing it to cover Biden and is also a criminal.\nIt’s like a straight up parody over there right now.",
">\n\nThe DOJ isn't even arguing the classification status in court. From what I understand they're investigating him for being in possession of defense documents without authorization.",
">\n\nAnd now that there’s a special counsel this will be investigated and the truth will come out.\nIt won’t be satisfying for a lot of people but the truth of what happened here is important.\nAs well as what measures we can take to further prevent things like this from happening. \nBut like, the conservative goalposts keep moving. They’re just treading through them as fast as they can. A new one is that Trump has secret service protecting his documents while Biden didn’t. \nBiden still had secret service protection. And saying Trumps protected it means conspiracy. So that’s super fun.",
">\n\nI wonder if they know Secret Service protects the individual and not property. When he's not at MAL the Secret Service isn't either, they go where he goes. He has to have private security for that. It's the same reason there weren't Secret Service agents protecting Pelosi's house.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day it is what it is and if Biden is guilty he’s guilty. \nThere’s no dancing around the issues. \nBut if Biden is guilty, then Trump is guilty. It’s not one or the other here, which is what they’re saying.\nIt’s just amazing watching them bend over backwards to say how Biden belongs in prison and Trump did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNARA knew Trump still had documents and requested them for almost a year before the first batch were returned, DOJ was involved only after the first batch was returned. Shortly after that it was reported. They knew things were missing and it was kept quiet for a year. \nNARA didn't know Biden still had documents, when they were discovered and returned DOJ got involved and shortly after that it was reported. \nThere's not much difference in how the DOJ handled the two cases publicly. The only difference was that the refusal to turn over the rest of the documents was kept quiet until the Maralago search happened. If they find more, we're going to hear about each single scrap of paper Biden's lawyers voluntarily turn over. One by one, a constant trickle in the news cycle.",
">\n\nThe difference is intent, quantity, quality, lying and obstruction. \nThe similarities are they are classified docs. \nOne is robbing the bank and the other is forgetting to deposit the checks.",
">\n\nThe MAGA cult doesn't understand nuance unfortunately. In their mind, what Biden \"did\" is already worse than what Trump did.",
">\n\nIt's not about nuance. It's about their worldview. \nIn their mind, their \"team\" can do no wrong, no matter what horrible shit they pull. It's always for the \"greater good of Murica.\"\nBy contrast, in their mind the \"other team\" can do no right. Even if Biden himself single-handedly cured cancer and was lifted to the heavens by a choir of angels, they would still see some nefarious plot to destroy the country.",
">\n\nA large number of them would still choose to die of cancer out of spite. The rest would die from overdoses of gymnasium floor cleaner or whatever other pseudoscience nonsense their cult leaders are peddling at the time.",
">\n\nDifference between Republicans and Liberals: \nI, as a liberal, am all for an independent investigation into potential wrongdoing and/or negligience by Biden over the documents, and to be held accountable if required.\nRepublicans want no investigation into Trump or other Republicans for ANYTHING.\nDon't \"both sides\" this."
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Bingo. Investigate Biden, but don't pretend an oversight quickly remedied when it was discovered is the same as Trump hoarding secret documents like he's a fucking dragon on a pile of gold. | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now.",
">\n\nHe's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run.",
">\n\nYes he is going to run.\nA lot of people who voted for him don't want him to run again and may not vote for him again.\nThese two things can both be true.",
">\n\nI voted for Biden.\nI don’t want him to run again.\nIf Trump is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nIf Desantis is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nRepublicans are self proclaimed party of domestic terrorists.\nAs an independent, I will treat them as such and vote blue until they get their shit together.\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nSo NARA seemed to know that there were missing documents and tried to work for months with dt's team to get them back.\nIt has obviously been awhile since biden was vp, was NARA attempting to find these documents all this time? \nI assume that there is a database of all confidential documents and that they are tracked, which is how they knew trump still had certain documents in his possession.\nDid NARA not know these docs were missing? Or they didn't care? That's what I'm curious about.",
">\n\nNARA had no idea that these documents were missing and did not request them. Had Biden's attorneys shredded them no one would ever know about this.",
">\n\nYeah, the Biden situation is more of a condemnation of our systems for tracking classified documents and making sure they don't go missing than it is a scandal for Biden. \nTrump's situation is disturbing because of the lengths he went to in order to keep the documents even after they were requested and conceal the fact that he had them. Hard to imagine a non-nefarious reason for doing that.",
">\n\nSo for the trouble, Garland appointed a Republican operative with a blank check....I wonder how that will go?",
">\n\nI know for a fact that there are still a lot of unbiased judges who aren't political operatives either way (they mostly go one way) in this country so I'm beginning to question Garland's motives or competence at this point.",
">\n\nHe was on speed dial at the Federalist Society to moderate their panels. That is not something an organization would likely hand over to someone outside their \"values\"",
">\n\nIt's certainly interesting seeing the pearl-clutching over classified documents, particularly amongst Republicans, who summarily ignored the subject when it involved DJT.",
">\n\nThey’re still rehashing the line that Trump declassified all the documents he had and that since Biden was VP he couldn’t. So trump is innocent and Biden is a criminal. And if Obama declassified any of those he was only doing it to cover Biden and is also a criminal.\nIt’s like a straight up parody over there right now.",
">\n\nThe DOJ isn't even arguing the classification status in court. From what I understand they're investigating him for being in possession of defense documents without authorization.",
">\n\nAnd now that there’s a special counsel this will be investigated and the truth will come out.\nIt won’t be satisfying for a lot of people but the truth of what happened here is important.\nAs well as what measures we can take to further prevent things like this from happening. \nBut like, the conservative goalposts keep moving. They’re just treading through them as fast as they can. A new one is that Trump has secret service protecting his documents while Biden didn’t. \nBiden still had secret service protection. And saying Trumps protected it means conspiracy. So that’s super fun.",
">\n\nI wonder if they know Secret Service protects the individual and not property. When he's not at MAL the Secret Service isn't either, they go where he goes. He has to have private security for that. It's the same reason there weren't Secret Service agents protecting Pelosi's house.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day it is what it is and if Biden is guilty he’s guilty. \nThere’s no dancing around the issues. \nBut if Biden is guilty, then Trump is guilty. It’s not one or the other here, which is what they’re saying.\nIt’s just amazing watching them bend over backwards to say how Biden belongs in prison and Trump did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNARA knew Trump still had documents and requested them for almost a year before the first batch were returned, DOJ was involved only after the first batch was returned. Shortly after that it was reported. They knew things were missing and it was kept quiet for a year. \nNARA didn't know Biden still had documents, when they were discovered and returned DOJ got involved and shortly after that it was reported. \nThere's not much difference in how the DOJ handled the two cases publicly. The only difference was that the refusal to turn over the rest of the documents was kept quiet until the Maralago search happened. If they find more, we're going to hear about each single scrap of paper Biden's lawyers voluntarily turn over. One by one, a constant trickle in the news cycle.",
">\n\nThe difference is intent, quantity, quality, lying and obstruction. \nThe similarities are they are classified docs. \nOne is robbing the bank and the other is forgetting to deposit the checks.",
">\n\nThe MAGA cult doesn't understand nuance unfortunately. In their mind, what Biden \"did\" is already worse than what Trump did.",
">\n\nIt's not about nuance. It's about their worldview. \nIn their mind, their \"team\" can do no wrong, no matter what horrible shit they pull. It's always for the \"greater good of Murica.\"\nBy contrast, in their mind the \"other team\" can do no right. Even if Biden himself single-handedly cured cancer and was lifted to the heavens by a choir of angels, they would still see some nefarious plot to destroy the country.",
">\n\nA large number of them would still choose to die of cancer out of spite. The rest would die from overdoses of gymnasium floor cleaner or whatever other pseudoscience nonsense their cult leaders are peddling at the time.",
">\n\nDifference between Republicans and Liberals: \nI, as a liberal, am all for an independent investigation into potential wrongdoing and/or negligience by Biden over the documents, and to be held accountable if required.\nRepublicans want no investigation into Trump or other Republicans for ANYTHING.\nDon't \"both sides\" this.",
">\n\nWe shouldn't allow them to make it equivalent either.."
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I can’t even imagine all the secret documents floating around out there. I find it hard to believe that after all these years the ONLY two people in the country witj secret documents were found out. What’s missing out of millions that nobody knows about. | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now.",
">\n\nHe's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run.",
">\n\nYes he is going to run.\nA lot of people who voted for him don't want him to run again and may not vote for him again.\nThese two things can both be true.",
">\n\nI voted for Biden.\nI don’t want him to run again.\nIf Trump is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nIf Desantis is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nRepublicans are self proclaimed party of domestic terrorists.\nAs an independent, I will treat them as such and vote blue until they get their shit together.\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nSo NARA seemed to know that there were missing documents and tried to work for months with dt's team to get them back.\nIt has obviously been awhile since biden was vp, was NARA attempting to find these documents all this time? \nI assume that there is a database of all confidential documents and that they are tracked, which is how they knew trump still had certain documents in his possession.\nDid NARA not know these docs were missing? Or they didn't care? That's what I'm curious about.",
">\n\nNARA had no idea that these documents were missing and did not request them. Had Biden's attorneys shredded them no one would ever know about this.",
">\n\nYeah, the Biden situation is more of a condemnation of our systems for tracking classified documents and making sure they don't go missing than it is a scandal for Biden. \nTrump's situation is disturbing because of the lengths he went to in order to keep the documents even after they were requested and conceal the fact that he had them. Hard to imagine a non-nefarious reason for doing that.",
">\n\nSo for the trouble, Garland appointed a Republican operative with a blank check....I wonder how that will go?",
">\n\nI know for a fact that there are still a lot of unbiased judges who aren't political operatives either way (they mostly go one way) in this country so I'm beginning to question Garland's motives or competence at this point.",
">\n\nHe was on speed dial at the Federalist Society to moderate their panels. That is not something an organization would likely hand over to someone outside their \"values\"",
">\n\nIt's certainly interesting seeing the pearl-clutching over classified documents, particularly amongst Republicans, who summarily ignored the subject when it involved DJT.",
">\n\nThey’re still rehashing the line that Trump declassified all the documents he had and that since Biden was VP he couldn’t. So trump is innocent and Biden is a criminal. And if Obama declassified any of those he was only doing it to cover Biden and is also a criminal.\nIt’s like a straight up parody over there right now.",
">\n\nThe DOJ isn't even arguing the classification status in court. From what I understand they're investigating him for being in possession of defense documents without authorization.",
">\n\nAnd now that there’s a special counsel this will be investigated and the truth will come out.\nIt won’t be satisfying for a lot of people but the truth of what happened here is important.\nAs well as what measures we can take to further prevent things like this from happening. \nBut like, the conservative goalposts keep moving. They’re just treading through them as fast as they can. A new one is that Trump has secret service protecting his documents while Biden didn’t. \nBiden still had secret service protection. And saying Trumps protected it means conspiracy. So that’s super fun.",
">\n\nI wonder if they know Secret Service protects the individual and not property. When he's not at MAL the Secret Service isn't either, they go where he goes. He has to have private security for that. It's the same reason there weren't Secret Service agents protecting Pelosi's house.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day it is what it is and if Biden is guilty he’s guilty. \nThere’s no dancing around the issues. \nBut if Biden is guilty, then Trump is guilty. It’s not one or the other here, which is what they’re saying.\nIt’s just amazing watching them bend over backwards to say how Biden belongs in prison and Trump did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNARA knew Trump still had documents and requested them for almost a year before the first batch were returned, DOJ was involved only after the first batch was returned. Shortly after that it was reported. They knew things were missing and it was kept quiet for a year. \nNARA didn't know Biden still had documents, when they were discovered and returned DOJ got involved and shortly after that it was reported. \nThere's not much difference in how the DOJ handled the two cases publicly. The only difference was that the refusal to turn over the rest of the documents was kept quiet until the Maralago search happened. If they find more, we're going to hear about each single scrap of paper Biden's lawyers voluntarily turn over. One by one, a constant trickle in the news cycle.",
">\n\nThe difference is intent, quantity, quality, lying and obstruction. \nThe similarities are they are classified docs. \nOne is robbing the bank and the other is forgetting to deposit the checks.",
">\n\nThe MAGA cult doesn't understand nuance unfortunately. In their mind, what Biden \"did\" is already worse than what Trump did.",
">\n\nIt's not about nuance. It's about their worldview. \nIn their mind, their \"team\" can do no wrong, no matter what horrible shit they pull. It's always for the \"greater good of Murica.\"\nBy contrast, in their mind the \"other team\" can do no right. Even if Biden himself single-handedly cured cancer and was lifted to the heavens by a choir of angels, they would still see some nefarious plot to destroy the country.",
">\n\nA large number of them would still choose to die of cancer out of spite. The rest would die from overdoses of gymnasium floor cleaner or whatever other pseudoscience nonsense their cult leaders are peddling at the time.",
">\n\nDifference between Republicans and Liberals: \nI, as a liberal, am all for an independent investigation into potential wrongdoing and/or negligience by Biden over the documents, and to be held accountable if required.\nRepublicans want no investigation into Trump or other Republicans for ANYTHING.\nDon't \"both sides\" this.",
">\n\nWe shouldn't allow them to make it equivalent either..",
">\n\nBingo. Investigate Biden, but don't pretend an oversight quickly remedied when it was discovered is the same as Trump hoarding secret documents like he's a fucking dragon on a pile of gold."
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GWB has gotta be doing a once-over on his ranch right about now. But even if he found something, the DOJ would accept the return and keep it quiet. I'm curious how often this happens and we just don't hear about it because it should be embarrassing for all parties involved. | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now.",
">\n\nHe's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run.",
">\n\nYes he is going to run.\nA lot of people who voted for him don't want him to run again and may not vote for him again.\nThese two things can both be true.",
">\n\nI voted for Biden.\nI don’t want him to run again.\nIf Trump is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nIf Desantis is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nRepublicans are self proclaimed party of domestic terrorists.\nAs an independent, I will treat them as such and vote blue until they get their shit together.\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nSo NARA seemed to know that there were missing documents and tried to work for months with dt's team to get them back.\nIt has obviously been awhile since biden was vp, was NARA attempting to find these documents all this time? \nI assume that there is a database of all confidential documents and that they are tracked, which is how they knew trump still had certain documents in his possession.\nDid NARA not know these docs were missing? Or they didn't care? That's what I'm curious about.",
">\n\nNARA had no idea that these documents were missing and did not request them. Had Biden's attorneys shredded them no one would ever know about this.",
">\n\nYeah, the Biden situation is more of a condemnation of our systems for tracking classified documents and making sure they don't go missing than it is a scandal for Biden. \nTrump's situation is disturbing because of the lengths he went to in order to keep the documents even after they were requested and conceal the fact that he had them. Hard to imagine a non-nefarious reason for doing that.",
">\n\nSo for the trouble, Garland appointed a Republican operative with a blank check....I wonder how that will go?",
">\n\nI know for a fact that there are still a lot of unbiased judges who aren't political operatives either way (they mostly go one way) in this country so I'm beginning to question Garland's motives or competence at this point.",
">\n\nHe was on speed dial at the Federalist Society to moderate their panels. That is not something an organization would likely hand over to someone outside their \"values\"",
">\n\nIt's certainly interesting seeing the pearl-clutching over classified documents, particularly amongst Republicans, who summarily ignored the subject when it involved DJT.",
">\n\nThey’re still rehashing the line that Trump declassified all the documents he had and that since Biden was VP he couldn’t. So trump is innocent and Biden is a criminal. And if Obama declassified any of those he was only doing it to cover Biden and is also a criminal.\nIt’s like a straight up parody over there right now.",
">\n\nThe DOJ isn't even arguing the classification status in court. From what I understand they're investigating him for being in possession of defense documents without authorization.",
">\n\nAnd now that there’s a special counsel this will be investigated and the truth will come out.\nIt won’t be satisfying for a lot of people but the truth of what happened here is important.\nAs well as what measures we can take to further prevent things like this from happening. \nBut like, the conservative goalposts keep moving. They’re just treading through them as fast as they can. A new one is that Trump has secret service protecting his documents while Biden didn’t. \nBiden still had secret service protection. And saying Trumps protected it means conspiracy. So that’s super fun.",
">\n\nI wonder if they know Secret Service protects the individual and not property. When he's not at MAL the Secret Service isn't either, they go where he goes. He has to have private security for that. It's the same reason there weren't Secret Service agents protecting Pelosi's house.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day it is what it is and if Biden is guilty he’s guilty. \nThere’s no dancing around the issues. \nBut if Biden is guilty, then Trump is guilty. It’s not one or the other here, which is what they’re saying.\nIt’s just amazing watching them bend over backwards to say how Biden belongs in prison and Trump did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNARA knew Trump still had documents and requested them for almost a year before the first batch were returned, DOJ was involved only after the first batch was returned. Shortly after that it was reported. They knew things were missing and it was kept quiet for a year. \nNARA didn't know Biden still had documents, when they were discovered and returned DOJ got involved and shortly after that it was reported. \nThere's not much difference in how the DOJ handled the two cases publicly. The only difference was that the refusal to turn over the rest of the documents was kept quiet until the Maralago search happened. If they find more, we're going to hear about each single scrap of paper Biden's lawyers voluntarily turn over. One by one, a constant trickle in the news cycle.",
">\n\nThe difference is intent, quantity, quality, lying and obstruction. \nThe similarities are they are classified docs. \nOne is robbing the bank and the other is forgetting to deposit the checks.",
">\n\nThe MAGA cult doesn't understand nuance unfortunately. In their mind, what Biden \"did\" is already worse than what Trump did.",
">\n\nIt's not about nuance. It's about their worldview. \nIn their mind, their \"team\" can do no wrong, no matter what horrible shit they pull. It's always for the \"greater good of Murica.\"\nBy contrast, in their mind the \"other team\" can do no right. Even if Biden himself single-handedly cured cancer and was lifted to the heavens by a choir of angels, they would still see some nefarious plot to destroy the country.",
">\n\nA large number of them would still choose to die of cancer out of spite. The rest would die from overdoses of gymnasium floor cleaner or whatever other pseudoscience nonsense their cult leaders are peddling at the time.",
">\n\nDifference between Republicans and Liberals: \nI, as a liberal, am all for an independent investigation into potential wrongdoing and/or negligience by Biden over the documents, and to be held accountable if required.\nRepublicans want no investigation into Trump or other Republicans for ANYTHING.\nDon't \"both sides\" this.",
">\n\nWe shouldn't allow them to make it equivalent either..",
">\n\nBingo. Investigate Biden, but don't pretend an oversight quickly remedied when it was discovered is the same as Trump hoarding secret documents like he's a fucking dragon on a pile of gold.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine all the secret documents floating around out there. I find it hard to believe that after all these years the ONLY two people in the country witj secret documents were found out. What’s missing out of millions that nobody knows about."
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Given that the last 3 presidential candidates all have had classified information in their residences, I'd say it's very often.
Also, this makes sense on why the case for Trump is slow rolling. They aren't going after Trump for possession of documents but for the obstruction of the investigation, which has a much higher bar to clear. | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now.",
">\n\nHe's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run.",
">\n\nYes he is going to run.\nA lot of people who voted for him don't want him to run again and may not vote for him again.\nThese two things can both be true.",
">\n\nI voted for Biden.\nI don’t want him to run again.\nIf Trump is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nIf Desantis is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nRepublicans are self proclaimed party of domestic terrorists.\nAs an independent, I will treat them as such and vote blue until they get their shit together.\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nSo NARA seemed to know that there were missing documents and tried to work for months with dt's team to get them back.\nIt has obviously been awhile since biden was vp, was NARA attempting to find these documents all this time? \nI assume that there is a database of all confidential documents and that they are tracked, which is how they knew trump still had certain documents in his possession.\nDid NARA not know these docs were missing? Or they didn't care? That's what I'm curious about.",
">\n\nNARA had no idea that these documents were missing and did not request them. Had Biden's attorneys shredded them no one would ever know about this.",
">\n\nYeah, the Biden situation is more of a condemnation of our systems for tracking classified documents and making sure they don't go missing than it is a scandal for Biden. \nTrump's situation is disturbing because of the lengths he went to in order to keep the documents even after they were requested and conceal the fact that he had them. Hard to imagine a non-nefarious reason for doing that.",
">\n\nSo for the trouble, Garland appointed a Republican operative with a blank check....I wonder how that will go?",
">\n\nI know for a fact that there are still a lot of unbiased judges who aren't political operatives either way (they mostly go one way) in this country so I'm beginning to question Garland's motives or competence at this point.",
">\n\nHe was on speed dial at the Federalist Society to moderate their panels. That is not something an organization would likely hand over to someone outside their \"values\"",
">\n\nIt's certainly interesting seeing the pearl-clutching over classified documents, particularly amongst Republicans, who summarily ignored the subject when it involved DJT.",
">\n\nThey’re still rehashing the line that Trump declassified all the documents he had and that since Biden was VP he couldn’t. So trump is innocent and Biden is a criminal. And if Obama declassified any of those he was only doing it to cover Biden and is also a criminal.\nIt’s like a straight up parody over there right now.",
">\n\nThe DOJ isn't even arguing the classification status in court. From what I understand they're investigating him for being in possession of defense documents without authorization.",
">\n\nAnd now that there’s a special counsel this will be investigated and the truth will come out.\nIt won’t be satisfying for a lot of people but the truth of what happened here is important.\nAs well as what measures we can take to further prevent things like this from happening. \nBut like, the conservative goalposts keep moving. They’re just treading through them as fast as they can. A new one is that Trump has secret service protecting his documents while Biden didn’t. \nBiden still had secret service protection. And saying Trumps protected it means conspiracy. So that’s super fun.",
">\n\nI wonder if they know Secret Service protects the individual and not property. When he's not at MAL the Secret Service isn't either, they go where he goes. He has to have private security for that. It's the same reason there weren't Secret Service agents protecting Pelosi's house.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day it is what it is and if Biden is guilty he’s guilty. \nThere’s no dancing around the issues. \nBut if Biden is guilty, then Trump is guilty. It’s not one or the other here, which is what they’re saying.\nIt’s just amazing watching them bend over backwards to say how Biden belongs in prison and Trump did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNARA knew Trump still had documents and requested them for almost a year before the first batch were returned, DOJ was involved only after the first batch was returned. Shortly after that it was reported. They knew things were missing and it was kept quiet for a year. \nNARA didn't know Biden still had documents, when they were discovered and returned DOJ got involved and shortly after that it was reported. \nThere's not much difference in how the DOJ handled the two cases publicly. The only difference was that the refusal to turn over the rest of the documents was kept quiet until the Maralago search happened. If they find more, we're going to hear about each single scrap of paper Biden's lawyers voluntarily turn over. One by one, a constant trickle in the news cycle.",
">\n\nThe difference is intent, quantity, quality, lying and obstruction. \nThe similarities are they are classified docs. \nOne is robbing the bank and the other is forgetting to deposit the checks.",
">\n\nThe MAGA cult doesn't understand nuance unfortunately. In their mind, what Biden \"did\" is already worse than what Trump did.",
">\n\nIt's not about nuance. It's about their worldview. \nIn their mind, their \"team\" can do no wrong, no matter what horrible shit they pull. It's always for the \"greater good of Murica.\"\nBy contrast, in their mind the \"other team\" can do no right. Even if Biden himself single-handedly cured cancer and was lifted to the heavens by a choir of angels, they would still see some nefarious plot to destroy the country.",
">\n\nA large number of them would still choose to die of cancer out of spite. The rest would die from overdoses of gymnasium floor cleaner or whatever other pseudoscience nonsense their cult leaders are peddling at the time.",
">\n\nDifference between Republicans and Liberals: \nI, as a liberal, am all for an independent investigation into potential wrongdoing and/or negligience by Biden over the documents, and to be held accountable if required.\nRepublicans want no investigation into Trump or other Republicans for ANYTHING.\nDon't \"both sides\" this.",
">\n\nWe shouldn't allow them to make it equivalent either..",
">\n\nBingo. Investigate Biden, but don't pretend an oversight quickly remedied when it was discovered is the same as Trump hoarding secret documents like he's a fucking dragon on a pile of gold.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine all the secret documents floating around out there. I find it hard to believe that after all these years the ONLY two people in the country witj secret documents were found out. What’s missing out of millions that nobody knows about.",
">\n\nGWB has gotta be doing a once-over on his ranch right about now. But even if he found something, the DOJ would accept the return and keep it quiet. I'm curious how often this happens and we just don't hear about it because it should be embarrassing for all parties involved."
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It's insane how blatant this countries leaders are complicit with fascism.
Trump had hundreds of documents, refused to work with anyone, and on top of everything, still has documents missing. It's like they're purposely dragging their feet. He's been literally referred for criminal charges by a house committee and they do nothing.
Biden has a few documents (which he hands over willingly and works with the department) and it's time for fucking ludicrous speed.
Pathetic. | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now.",
">\n\nHe's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run.",
">\n\nYes he is going to run.\nA lot of people who voted for him don't want him to run again and may not vote for him again.\nThese two things can both be true.",
">\n\nI voted for Biden.\nI don’t want him to run again.\nIf Trump is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nIf Desantis is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nRepublicans are self proclaimed party of domestic terrorists.\nAs an independent, I will treat them as such and vote blue until they get their shit together.\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nSo NARA seemed to know that there were missing documents and tried to work for months with dt's team to get them back.\nIt has obviously been awhile since biden was vp, was NARA attempting to find these documents all this time? \nI assume that there is a database of all confidential documents and that they are tracked, which is how they knew trump still had certain documents in his possession.\nDid NARA not know these docs were missing? Or they didn't care? That's what I'm curious about.",
">\n\nNARA had no idea that these documents were missing and did not request them. Had Biden's attorneys shredded them no one would ever know about this.",
">\n\nYeah, the Biden situation is more of a condemnation of our systems for tracking classified documents and making sure they don't go missing than it is a scandal for Biden. \nTrump's situation is disturbing because of the lengths he went to in order to keep the documents even after they were requested and conceal the fact that he had them. Hard to imagine a non-nefarious reason for doing that.",
">\n\nSo for the trouble, Garland appointed a Republican operative with a blank check....I wonder how that will go?",
">\n\nI know for a fact that there are still a lot of unbiased judges who aren't political operatives either way (they mostly go one way) in this country so I'm beginning to question Garland's motives or competence at this point.",
">\n\nHe was on speed dial at the Federalist Society to moderate their panels. That is not something an organization would likely hand over to someone outside their \"values\"",
">\n\nIt's certainly interesting seeing the pearl-clutching over classified documents, particularly amongst Republicans, who summarily ignored the subject when it involved DJT.",
">\n\nThey’re still rehashing the line that Trump declassified all the documents he had and that since Biden was VP he couldn’t. So trump is innocent and Biden is a criminal. And if Obama declassified any of those he was only doing it to cover Biden and is also a criminal.\nIt’s like a straight up parody over there right now.",
">\n\nThe DOJ isn't even arguing the classification status in court. From what I understand they're investigating him for being in possession of defense documents without authorization.",
">\n\nAnd now that there’s a special counsel this will be investigated and the truth will come out.\nIt won’t be satisfying for a lot of people but the truth of what happened here is important.\nAs well as what measures we can take to further prevent things like this from happening. \nBut like, the conservative goalposts keep moving. They’re just treading through them as fast as they can. A new one is that Trump has secret service protecting his documents while Biden didn’t. \nBiden still had secret service protection. And saying Trumps protected it means conspiracy. So that’s super fun.",
">\n\nI wonder if they know Secret Service protects the individual and not property. When he's not at MAL the Secret Service isn't either, they go where he goes. He has to have private security for that. It's the same reason there weren't Secret Service agents protecting Pelosi's house.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day it is what it is and if Biden is guilty he’s guilty. \nThere’s no dancing around the issues. \nBut if Biden is guilty, then Trump is guilty. It’s not one or the other here, which is what they’re saying.\nIt’s just amazing watching them bend over backwards to say how Biden belongs in prison and Trump did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNARA knew Trump still had documents and requested them for almost a year before the first batch were returned, DOJ was involved only after the first batch was returned. Shortly after that it was reported. They knew things were missing and it was kept quiet for a year. \nNARA didn't know Biden still had documents, when they were discovered and returned DOJ got involved and shortly after that it was reported. \nThere's not much difference in how the DOJ handled the two cases publicly. The only difference was that the refusal to turn over the rest of the documents was kept quiet until the Maralago search happened. If they find more, we're going to hear about each single scrap of paper Biden's lawyers voluntarily turn over. One by one, a constant trickle in the news cycle.",
">\n\nThe difference is intent, quantity, quality, lying and obstruction. \nThe similarities are they are classified docs. \nOne is robbing the bank and the other is forgetting to deposit the checks.",
">\n\nThe MAGA cult doesn't understand nuance unfortunately. In their mind, what Biden \"did\" is already worse than what Trump did.",
">\n\nIt's not about nuance. It's about their worldview. \nIn their mind, their \"team\" can do no wrong, no matter what horrible shit they pull. It's always for the \"greater good of Murica.\"\nBy contrast, in their mind the \"other team\" can do no right. Even if Biden himself single-handedly cured cancer and was lifted to the heavens by a choir of angels, they would still see some nefarious plot to destroy the country.",
">\n\nA large number of them would still choose to die of cancer out of spite. The rest would die from overdoses of gymnasium floor cleaner or whatever other pseudoscience nonsense their cult leaders are peddling at the time.",
">\n\nDifference between Republicans and Liberals: \nI, as a liberal, am all for an independent investigation into potential wrongdoing and/or negligience by Biden over the documents, and to be held accountable if required.\nRepublicans want no investigation into Trump or other Republicans for ANYTHING.\nDon't \"both sides\" this.",
">\n\nWe shouldn't allow them to make it equivalent either..",
">\n\nBingo. Investigate Biden, but don't pretend an oversight quickly remedied when it was discovered is the same as Trump hoarding secret documents like he's a fucking dragon on a pile of gold.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine all the secret documents floating around out there. I find it hard to believe that after all these years the ONLY two people in the country witj secret documents were found out. What’s missing out of millions that nobody knows about.",
">\n\nGWB has gotta be doing a once-over on his ranch right about now. But even if he found something, the DOJ would accept the return and keep it quiet. I'm curious how often this happens and we just don't hear about it because it should be embarrassing for all parties involved.",
">\n\nGiven that the last 3 presidential candidates all have had classified information in their residences, I'd say it's very often.\nAlso, this makes sense on why the case for Trump is slow rolling. They aren't going after Trump for possession of documents but for the obstruction of the investigation, which has a much higher bar to clear."
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Ludicrous speed is how you suck the wind out of the GOP. Otherwise you're battling these allegations right up through campaign season. | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now.",
">\n\nHe's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run.",
">\n\nYes he is going to run.\nA lot of people who voted for him don't want him to run again and may not vote for him again.\nThese two things can both be true.",
">\n\nI voted for Biden.\nI don’t want him to run again.\nIf Trump is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nIf Desantis is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nRepublicans are self proclaimed party of domestic terrorists.\nAs an independent, I will treat them as such and vote blue until they get their shit together.\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nSo NARA seemed to know that there were missing documents and tried to work for months with dt's team to get them back.\nIt has obviously been awhile since biden was vp, was NARA attempting to find these documents all this time? \nI assume that there is a database of all confidential documents and that they are tracked, which is how they knew trump still had certain documents in his possession.\nDid NARA not know these docs were missing? Or they didn't care? That's what I'm curious about.",
">\n\nNARA had no idea that these documents were missing and did not request them. Had Biden's attorneys shredded them no one would ever know about this.",
">\n\nYeah, the Biden situation is more of a condemnation of our systems for tracking classified documents and making sure they don't go missing than it is a scandal for Biden. \nTrump's situation is disturbing because of the lengths he went to in order to keep the documents even after they were requested and conceal the fact that he had them. Hard to imagine a non-nefarious reason for doing that.",
">\n\nSo for the trouble, Garland appointed a Republican operative with a blank check....I wonder how that will go?",
">\n\nI know for a fact that there are still a lot of unbiased judges who aren't political operatives either way (they mostly go one way) in this country so I'm beginning to question Garland's motives or competence at this point.",
">\n\nHe was on speed dial at the Federalist Society to moderate their panels. That is not something an organization would likely hand over to someone outside their \"values\"",
">\n\nIt's certainly interesting seeing the pearl-clutching over classified documents, particularly amongst Republicans, who summarily ignored the subject when it involved DJT.",
">\n\nThey’re still rehashing the line that Trump declassified all the documents he had and that since Biden was VP he couldn’t. So trump is innocent and Biden is a criminal. And if Obama declassified any of those he was only doing it to cover Biden and is also a criminal.\nIt’s like a straight up parody over there right now.",
">\n\nThe DOJ isn't even arguing the classification status in court. From what I understand they're investigating him for being in possession of defense documents without authorization.",
">\n\nAnd now that there’s a special counsel this will be investigated and the truth will come out.\nIt won’t be satisfying for a lot of people but the truth of what happened here is important.\nAs well as what measures we can take to further prevent things like this from happening. \nBut like, the conservative goalposts keep moving. They’re just treading through them as fast as they can. A new one is that Trump has secret service protecting his documents while Biden didn’t. \nBiden still had secret service protection. And saying Trumps protected it means conspiracy. So that’s super fun.",
">\n\nI wonder if they know Secret Service protects the individual and not property. When he's not at MAL the Secret Service isn't either, they go where he goes. He has to have private security for that. It's the same reason there weren't Secret Service agents protecting Pelosi's house.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day it is what it is and if Biden is guilty he’s guilty. \nThere’s no dancing around the issues. \nBut if Biden is guilty, then Trump is guilty. It’s not one or the other here, which is what they’re saying.\nIt’s just amazing watching them bend over backwards to say how Biden belongs in prison and Trump did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNARA knew Trump still had documents and requested them for almost a year before the first batch were returned, DOJ was involved only after the first batch was returned. Shortly after that it was reported. They knew things were missing and it was kept quiet for a year. \nNARA didn't know Biden still had documents, when they were discovered and returned DOJ got involved and shortly after that it was reported. \nThere's not much difference in how the DOJ handled the two cases publicly. The only difference was that the refusal to turn over the rest of the documents was kept quiet until the Maralago search happened. If they find more, we're going to hear about each single scrap of paper Biden's lawyers voluntarily turn over. One by one, a constant trickle in the news cycle.",
">\n\nThe difference is intent, quantity, quality, lying and obstruction. \nThe similarities are they are classified docs. \nOne is robbing the bank and the other is forgetting to deposit the checks.",
">\n\nThe MAGA cult doesn't understand nuance unfortunately. In their mind, what Biden \"did\" is already worse than what Trump did.",
">\n\nIt's not about nuance. It's about their worldview. \nIn their mind, their \"team\" can do no wrong, no matter what horrible shit they pull. It's always for the \"greater good of Murica.\"\nBy contrast, in their mind the \"other team\" can do no right. Even if Biden himself single-handedly cured cancer and was lifted to the heavens by a choir of angels, they would still see some nefarious plot to destroy the country.",
">\n\nA large number of them would still choose to die of cancer out of spite. The rest would die from overdoses of gymnasium floor cleaner or whatever other pseudoscience nonsense their cult leaders are peddling at the time.",
">\n\nDifference between Republicans and Liberals: \nI, as a liberal, am all for an independent investigation into potential wrongdoing and/or negligience by Biden over the documents, and to be held accountable if required.\nRepublicans want no investigation into Trump or other Republicans for ANYTHING.\nDon't \"both sides\" this.",
">\n\nWe shouldn't allow them to make it equivalent either..",
">\n\nBingo. Investigate Biden, but don't pretend an oversight quickly remedied when it was discovered is the same as Trump hoarding secret documents like he's a fucking dragon on a pile of gold.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine all the secret documents floating around out there. I find it hard to believe that after all these years the ONLY two people in the country witj secret documents were found out. What’s missing out of millions that nobody knows about.",
">\n\nGWB has gotta be doing a once-over on his ranch right about now. But even if he found something, the DOJ would accept the return and keep it quiet. I'm curious how often this happens and we just don't hear about it because it should be embarrassing for all parties involved.",
">\n\nGiven that the last 3 presidential candidates all have had classified information in their residences, I'd say it's very often.\nAlso, this makes sense on why the case for Trump is slow rolling. They aren't going after Trump for possession of documents but for the obstruction of the investigation, which has a much higher bar to clear.",
">\n\nIt's insane how blatant this countries leaders are complicit with fascism.\nTrump had hundreds of documents, refused to work with anyone, and on top of everything, still has documents missing. It's like they're purposely dragging their feet. He's been literally referred for criminal charges by a house committee and they do nothing.\nBiden has a few documents (which he hands over willingly and works with the department) and it's time for fucking ludicrous speed.\nPathetic."
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That's another way of saying we are pandering to their tantrums. | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now.",
">\n\nHe's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run.",
">\n\nYes he is going to run.\nA lot of people who voted for him don't want him to run again and may not vote for him again.\nThese two things can both be true.",
">\n\nI voted for Biden.\nI don’t want him to run again.\nIf Trump is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nIf Desantis is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nRepublicans are self proclaimed party of domestic terrorists.\nAs an independent, I will treat them as such and vote blue until they get their shit together.\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nSo NARA seemed to know that there were missing documents and tried to work for months with dt's team to get them back.\nIt has obviously been awhile since biden was vp, was NARA attempting to find these documents all this time? \nI assume that there is a database of all confidential documents and that they are tracked, which is how they knew trump still had certain documents in his possession.\nDid NARA not know these docs were missing? Or they didn't care? That's what I'm curious about.",
">\n\nNARA had no idea that these documents were missing and did not request them. Had Biden's attorneys shredded them no one would ever know about this.",
">\n\nYeah, the Biden situation is more of a condemnation of our systems for tracking classified documents and making sure they don't go missing than it is a scandal for Biden. \nTrump's situation is disturbing because of the lengths he went to in order to keep the documents even after they were requested and conceal the fact that he had them. Hard to imagine a non-nefarious reason for doing that.",
">\n\nSo for the trouble, Garland appointed a Republican operative with a blank check....I wonder how that will go?",
">\n\nI know for a fact that there are still a lot of unbiased judges who aren't political operatives either way (they mostly go one way) in this country so I'm beginning to question Garland's motives or competence at this point.",
">\n\nHe was on speed dial at the Federalist Society to moderate their panels. That is not something an organization would likely hand over to someone outside their \"values\"",
">\n\nIt's certainly interesting seeing the pearl-clutching over classified documents, particularly amongst Republicans, who summarily ignored the subject when it involved DJT.",
">\n\nThey’re still rehashing the line that Trump declassified all the documents he had and that since Biden was VP he couldn’t. So trump is innocent and Biden is a criminal. And if Obama declassified any of those he was only doing it to cover Biden and is also a criminal.\nIt’s like a straight up parody over there right now.",
">\n\nThe DOJ isn't even arguing the classification status in court. From what I understand they're investigating him for being in possession of defense documents without authorization.",
">\n\nAnd now that there’s a special counsel this will be investigated and the truth will come out.\nIt won’t be satisfying for a lot of people but the truth of what happened here is important.\nAs well as what measures we can take to further prevent things like this from happening. \nBut like, the conservative goalposts keep moving. They’re just treading through them as fast as they can. A new one is that Trump has secret service protecting his documents while Biden didn’t. \nBiden still had secret service protection. And saying Trumps protected it means conspiracy. So that’s super fun.",
">\n\nI wonder if they know Secret Service protects the individual and not property. When he's not at MAL the Secret Service isn't either, they go where he goes. He has to have private security for that. It's the same reason there weren't Secret Service agents protecting Pelosi's house.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day it is what it is and if Biden is guilty he’s guilty. \nThere’s no dancing around the issues. \nBut if Biden is guilty, then Trump is guilty. It’s not one or the other here, which is what they’re saying.\nIt’s just amazing watching them bend over backwards to say how Biden belongs in prison and Trump did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNARA knew Trump still had documents and requested them for almost a year before the first batch were returned, DOJ was involved only after the first batch was returned. Shortly after that it was reported. They knew things were missing and it was kept quiet for a year. \nNARA didn't know Biden still had documents, when they were discovered and returned DOJ got involved and shortly after that it was reported. \nThere's not much difference in how the DOJ handled the two cases publicly. The only difference was that the refusal to turn over the rest of the documents was kept quiet until the Maralago search happened. If they find more, we're going to hear about each single scrap of paper Biden's lawyers voluntarily turn over. One by one, a constant trickle in the news cycle.",
">\n\nThe difference is intent, quantity, quality, lying and obstruction. \nThe similarities are they are classified docs. \nOne is robbing the bank and the other is forgetting to deposit the checks.",
">\n\nThe MAGA cult doesn't understand nuance unfortunately. In their mind, what Biden \"did\" is already worse than what Trump did.",
">\n\nIt's not about nuance. It's about their worldview. \nIn their mind, their \"team\" can do no wrong, no matter what horrible shit they pull. It's always for the \"greater good of Murica.\"\nBy contrast, in their mind the \"other team\" can do no right. Even if Biden himself single-handedly cured cancer and was lifted to the heavens by a choir of angels, they would still see some nefarious plot to destroy the country.",
">\n\nA large number of them would still choose to die of cancer out of spite. The rest would die from overdoses of gymnasium floor cleaner or whatever other pseudoscience nonsense their cult leaders are peddling at the time.",
">\n\nDifference between Republicans and Liberals: \nI, as a liberal, am all for an independent investigation into potential wrongdoing and/or negligience by Biden over the documents, and to be held accountable if required.\nRepublicans want no investigation into Trump or other Republicans for ANYTHING.\nDon't \"both sides\" this.",
">\n\nWe shouldn't allow them to make it equivalent either..",
">\n\nBingo. Investigate Biden, but don't pretend an oversight quickly remedied when it was discovered is the same as Trump hoarding secret documents like he's a fucking dragon on a pile of gold.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine all the secret documents floating around out there. I find it hard to believe that after all these years the ONLY two people in the country witj secret documents were found out. What’s missing out of millions that nobody knows about.",
">\n\nGWB has gotta be doing a once-over on his ranch right about now. But even if he found something, the DOJ would accept the return and keep it quiet. I'm curious how often this happens and we just don't hear about it because it should be embarrassing for all parties involved.",
">\n\nGiven that the last 3 presidential candidates all have had classified information in their residences, I'd say it's very often.\nAlso, this makes sense on why the case for Trump is slow rolling. They aren't going after Trump for possession of documents but for the obstruction of the investigation, which has a much higher bar to clear.",
">\n\nIt's insane how blatant this countries leaders are complicit with fascism.\nTrump had hundreds of documents, refused to work with anyone, and on top of everything, still has documents missing. It's like they're purposely dragging their feet. He's been literally referred for criminal charges by a house committee and they do nothing.\nBiden has a few documents (which he hands over willingly and works with the department) and it's time for fucking ludicrous speed.\nPathetic.",
">\n\nLudicrous speed is how you suck the wind out of the GOP. Otherwise you're battling these allegations right up through campaign season."
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And the alternative, leaving it and letting it fester, would also be pandering to their tantrums. There's such thing as a no-win situation, which Biden placed us in here | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now.",
">\n\nHe's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run.",
">\n\nYes he is going to run.\nA lot of people who voted for him don't want him to run again and may not vote for him again.\nThese two things can both be true.",
">\n\nI voted for Biden.\nI don’t want him to run again.\nIf Trump is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nIf Desantis is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nRepublicans are self proclaimed party of domestic terrorists.\nAs an independent, I will treat them as such and vote blue until they get their shit together.\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nSo NARA seemed to know that there were missing documents and tried to work for months with dt's team to get them back.\nIt has obviously been awhile since biden was vp, was NARA attempting to find these documents all this time? \nI assume that there is a database of all confidential documents and that they are tracked, which is how they knew trump still had certain documents in his possession.\nDid NARA not know these docs were missing? Or they didn't care? That's what I'm curious about.",
">\n\nNARA had no idea that these documents were missing and did not request them. Had Biden's attorneys shredded them no one would ever know about this.",
">\n\nYeah, the Biden situation is more of a condemnation of our systems for tracking classified documents and making sure they don't go missing than it is a scandal for Biden. \nTrump's situation is disturbing because of the lengths he went to in order to keep the documents even after they were requested and conceal the fact that he had them. Hard to imagine a non-nefarious reason for doing that.",
">\n\nSo for the trouble, Garland appointed a Republican operative with a blank check....I wonder how that will go?",
">\n\nI know for a fact that there are still a lot of unbiased judges who aren't political operatives either way (they mostly go one way) in this country so I'm beginning to question Garland's motives or competence at this point.",
">\n\nHe was on speed dial at the Federalist Society to moderate their panels. That is not something an organization would likely hand over to someone outside their \"values\"",
">\n\nIt's certainly interesting seeing the pearl-clutching over classified documents, particularly amongst Republicans, who summarily ignored the subject when it involved DJT.",
">\n\nThey’re still rehashing the line that Trump declassified all the documents he had and that since Biden was VP he couldn’t. So trump is innocent and Biden is a criminal. And if Obama declassified any of those he was only doing it to cover Biden and is also a criminal.\nIt’s like a straight up parody over there right now.",
">\n\nThe DOJ isn't even arguing the classification status in court. From what I understand they're investigating him for being in possession of defense documents without authorization.",
">\n\nAnd now that there’s a special counsel this will be investigated and the truth will come out.\nIt won’t be satisfying for a lot of people but the truth of what happened here is important.\nAs well as what measures we can take to further prevent things like this from happening. \nBut like, the conservative goalposts keep moving. They’re just treading through them as fast as they can. A new one is that Trump has secret service protecting his documents while Biden didn’t. \nBiden still had secret service protection. And saying Trumps protected it means conspiracy. So that’s super fun.",
">\n\nI wonder if they know Secret Service protects the individual and not property. When he's not at MAL the Secret Service isn't either, they go where he goes. He has to have private security for that. It's the same reason there weren't Secret Service agents protecting Pelosi's house.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day it is what it is and if Biden is guilty he’s guilty. \nThere’s no dancing around the issues. \nBut if Biden is guilty, then Trump is guilty. It’s not one or the other here, which is what they’re saying.\nIt’s just amazing watching them bend over backwards to say how Biden belongs in prison and Trump did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNARA knew Trump still had documents and requested them for almost a year before the first batch were returned, DOJ was involved only after the first batch was returned. Shortly after that it was reported. They knew things were missing and it was kept quiet for a year. \nNARA didn't know Biden still had documents, when they were discovered and returned DOJ got involved and shortly after that it was reported. \nThere's not much difference in how the DOJ handled the two cases publicly. The only difference was that the refusal to turn over the rest of the documents was kept quiet until the Maralago search happened. If they find more, we're going to hear about each single scrap of paper Biden's lawyers voluntarily turn over. One by one, a constant trickle in the news cycle.",
">\n\nThe difference is intent, quantity, quality, lying and obstruction. \nThe similarities are they are classified docs. \nOne is robbing the bank and the other is forgetting to deposit the checks.",
">\n\nThe MAGA cult doesn't understand nuance unfortunately. In their mind, what Biden \"did\" is already worse than what Trump did.",
">\n\nIt's not about nuance. It's about their worldview. \nIn their mind, their \"team\" can do no wrong, no matter what horrible shit they pull. It's always for the \"greater good of Murica.\"\nBy contrast, in their mind the \"other team\" can do no right. Even if Biden himself single-handedly cured cancer and was lifted to the heavens by a choir of angels, they would still see some nefarious plot to destroy the country.",
">\n\nA large number of them would still choose to die of cancer out of spite. The rest would die from overdoses of gymnasium floor cleaner or whatever other pseudoscience nonsense their cult leaders are peddling at the time.",
">\n\nDifference between Republicans and Liberals: \nI, as a liberal, am all for an independent investigation into potential wrongdoing and/or negligience by Biden over the documents, and to be held accountable if required.\nRepublicans want no investigation into Trump or other Republicans for ANYTHING.\nDon't \"both sides\" this.",
">\n\nWe shouldn't allow them to make it equivalent either..",
">\n\nBingo. Investigate Biden, but don't pretend an oversight quickly remedied when it was discovered is the same as Trump hoarding secret documents like he's a fucking dragon on a pile of gold.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine all the secret documents floating around out there. I find it hard to believe that after all these years the ONLY two people in the country witj secret documents were found out. What’s missing out of millions that nobody knows about.",
">\n\nGWB has gotta be doing a once-over on his ranch right about now. But even if he found something, the DOJ would accept the return and keep it quiet. I'm curious how often this happens and we just don't hear about it because it should be embarrassing for all parties involved.",
">\n\nGiven that the last 3 presidential candidates all have had classified information in their residences, I'd say it's very often.\nAlso, this makes sense on why the case for Trump is slow rolling. They aren't going after Trump for possession of documents but for the obstruction of the investigation, which has a much higher bar to clear.",
">\n\nIt's insane how blatant this countries leaders are complicit with fascism.\nTrump had hundreds of documents, refused to work with anyone, and on top of everything, still has documents missing. It's like they're purposely dragging their feet. He's been literally referred for criminal charges by a house committee and they do nothing.\nBiden has a few documents (which he hands over willingly and works with the department) and it's time for fucking ludicrous speed.\nPathetic.",
">\n\nLudicrous speed is how you suck the wind out of the GOP. Otherwise you're battling these allegations right up through campaign season.",
">\n\nThat's another way of saying we are pandering to their tantrums."
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The point is, they still haven’t charged Trump with shit, Bannon got an 18 month slap on the wrist for an attempted coup and half the people involved in January 6 are still free. But when it’s time to pander to republicans (whose voters aren’t gonna care either way) suddenly the DOJ wants to make a big show of being impartial.
What’s the point of impartiality if we’re letting people off the hook for an attempted coup? I think appointing Garland as AG is one of the worst decisions Biden has made as president. | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now.",
">\n\nHe's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run.",
">\n\nYes he is going to run.\nA lot of people who voted for him don't want him to run again and may not vote for him again.\nThese two things can both be true.",
">\n\nI voted for Biden.\nI don’t want him to run again.\nIf Trump is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nIf Desantis is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nRepublicans are self proclaimed party of domestic terrorists.\nAs an independent, I will treat them as such and vote blue until they get their shit together.\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nSo NARA seemed to know that there were missing documents and tried to work for months with dt's team to get them back.\nIt has obviously been awhile since biden was vp, was NARA attempting to find these documents all this time? \nI assume that there is a database of all confidential documents and that they are tracked, which is how they knew trump still had certain documents in his possession.\nDid NARA not know these docs were missing? Or they didn't care? That's what I'm curious about.",
">\n\nNARA had no idea that these documents were missing and did not request them. Had Biden's attorneys shredded them no one would ever know about this.",
">\n\nYeah, the Biden situation is more of a condemnation of our systems for tracking classified documents and making sure they don't go missing than it is a scandal for Biden. \nTrump's situation is disturbing because of the lengths he went to in order to keep the documents even after they were requested and conceal the fact that he had them. Hard to imagine a non-nefarious reason for doing that.",
">\n\nSo for the trouble, Garland appointed a Republican operative with a blank check....I wonder how that will go?",
">\n\nI know for a fact that there are still a lot of unbiased judges who aren't political operatives either way (they mostly go one way) in this country so I'm beginning to question Garland's motives or competence at this point.",
">\n\nHe was on speed dial at the Federalist Society to moderate their panels. That is not something an organization would likely hand over to someone outside their \"values\"",
">\n\nIt's certainly interesting seeing the pearl-clutching over classified documents, particularly amongst Republicans, who summarily ignored the subject when it involved DJT.",
">\n\nThey’re still rehashing the line that Trump declassified all the documents he had and that since Biden was VP he couldn’t. So trump is innocent and Biden is a criminal. And if Obama declassified any of those he was only doing it to cover Biden and is also a criminal.\nIt’s like a straight up parody over there right now.",
">\n\nThe DOJ isn't even arguing the classification status in court. From what I understand they're investigating him for being in possession of defense documents without authorization.",
">\n\nAnd now that there’s a special counsel this will be investigated and the truth will come out.\nIt won’t be satisfying for a lot of people but the truth of what happened here is important.\nAs well as what measures we can take to further prevent things like this from happening. \nBut like, the conservative goalposts keep moving. They’re just treading through them as fast as they can. A new one is that Trump has secret service protecting his documents while Biden didn’t. \nBiden still had secret service protection. And saying Trumps protected it means conspiracy. So that’s super fun.",
">\n\nI wonder if they know Secret Service protects the individual and not property. When he's not at MAL the Secret Service isn't either, they go where he goes. He has to have private security for that. It's the same reason there weren't Secret Service agents protecting Pelosi's house.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day it is what it is and if Biden is guilty he’s guilty. \nThere’s no dancing around the issues. \nBut if Biden is guilty, then Trump is guilty. It’s not one or the other here, which is what they’re saying.\nIt’s just amazing watching them bend over backwards to say how Biden belongs in prison and Trump did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNARA knew Trump still had documents and requested them for almost a year before the first batch were returned, DOJ was involved only after the first batch was returned. Shortly after that it was reported. They knew things were missing and it was kept quiet for a year. \nNARA didn't know Biden still had documents, when they were discovered and returned DOJ got involved and shortly after that it was reported. \nThere's not much difference in how the DOJ handled the two cases publicly. The only difference was that the refusal to turn over the rest of the documents was kept quiet until the Maralago search happened. If they find more, we're going to hear about each single scrap of paper Biden's lawyers voluntarily turn over. One by one, a constant trickle in the news cycle.",
">\n\nThe difference is intent, quantity, quality, lying and obstruction. \nThe similarities are they are classified docs. \nOne is robbing the bank and the other is forgetting to deposit the checks.",
">\n\nThe MAGA cult doesn't understand nuance unfortunately. In their mind, what Biden \"did\" is already worse than what Trump did.",
">\n\nIt's not about nuance. It's about their worldview. \nIn their mind, their \"team\" can do no wrong, no matter what horrible shit they pull. It's always for the \"greater good of Murica.\"\nBy contrast, in their mind the \"other team\" can do no right. Even if Biden himself single-handedly cured cancer and was lifted to the heavens by a choir of angels, they would still see some nefarious plot to destroy the country.",
">\n\nA large number of them would still choose to die of cancer out of spite. The rest would die from overdoses of gymnasium floor cleaner or whatever other pseudoscience nonsense their cult leaders are peddling at the time.",
">\n\nDifference between Republicans and Liberals: \nI, as a liberal, am all for an independent investigation into potential wrongdoing and/or negligience by Biden over the documents, and to be held accountable if required.\nRepublicans want no investigation into Trump or other Republicans for ANYTHING.\nDon't \"both sides\" this.",
">\n\nWe shouldn't allow them to make it equivalent either..",
">\n\nBingo. Investigate Biden, but don't pretend an oversight quickly remedied when it was discovered is the same as Trump hoarding secret documents like he's a fucking dragon on a pile of gold.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine all the secret documents floating around out there. I find it hard to believe that after all these years the ONLY two people in the country witj secret documents were found out. What’s missing out of millions that nobody knows about.",
">\n\nGWB has gotta be doing a once-over on his ranch right about now. But even if he found something, the DOJ would accept the return and keep it quiet. I'm curious how often this happens and we just don't hear about it because it should be embarrassing for all parties involved.",
">\n\nGiven that the last 3 presidential candidates all have had classified information in their residences, I'd say it's very often.\nAlso, this makes sense on why the case for Trump is slow rolling. They aren't going after Trump for possession of documents but for the obstruction of the investigation, which has a much higher bar to clear.",
">\n\nIt's insane how blatant this countries leaders are complicit with fascism.\nTrump had hundreds of documents, refused to work with anyone, and on top of everything, still has documents missing. It's like they're purposely dragging their feet. He's been literally referred for criminal charges by a house committee and they do nothing.\nBiden has a few documents (which he hands over willingly and works with the department) and it's time for fucking ludicrous speed.\nPathetic.",
">\n\nLudicrous speed is how you suck the wind out of the GOP. Otherwise you're battling these allegations right up through campaign season.",
">\n\nThat's another way of saying we are pandering to their tantrums.",
">\n\nAnd the alternative, leaving it and letting it fester, would also be pandering to their tantrums. There's such thing as a no-win situation, which Biden placed us in here"
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The legal experts I like to follow in the media are saying this is a bit overkill but still a fair and evenhanded way of sorting this all out. It's a big headache for Biden and the DOJ but Biden should have been more careful. Given everything we know about Biden I going to assume for the time being that it was just an error and not anything nefarious. However, this prosecutor seems to be on the up and up, so if he concludes something different then I will trust what he says. | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now.",
">\n\nHe's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run.",
">\n\nYes he is going to run.\nA lot of people who voted for him don't want him to run again and may not vote for him again.\nThese two things can both be true.",
">\n\nI voted for Biden.\nI don’t want him to run again.\nIf Trump is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nIf Desantis is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nRepublicans are self proclaimed party of domestic terrorists.\nAs an independent, I will treat them as such and vote blue until they get their shit together.\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nSo NARA seemed to know that there were missing documents and tried to work for months with dt's team to get them back.\nIt has obviously been awhile since biden was vp, was NARA attempting to find these documents all this time? \nI assume that there is a database of all confidential documents and that they are tracked, which is how they knew trump still had certain documents in his possession.\nDid NARA not know these docs were missing? Or they didn't care? That's what I'm curious about.",
">\n\nNARA had no idea that these documents were missing and did not request them. Had Biden's attorneys shredded them no one would ever know about this.",
">\n\nYeah, the Biden situation is more of a condemnation of our systems for tracking classified documents and making sure they don't go missing than it is a scandal for Biden. \nTrump's situation is disturbing because of the lengths he went to in order to keep the documents even after they were requested and conceal the fact that he had them. Hard to imagine a non-nefarious reason for doing that.",
">\n\nSo for the trouble, Garland appointed a Republican operative with a blank check....I wonder how that will go?",
">\n\nI know for a fact that there are still a lot of unbiased judges who aren't political operatives either way (they mostly go one way) in this country so I'm beginning to question Garland's motives or competence at this point.",
">\n\nHe was on speed dial at the Federalist Society to moderate their panels. That is not something an organization would likely hand over to someone outside their \"values\"",
">\n\nIt's certainly interesting seeing the pearl-clutching over classified documents, particularly amongst Republicans, who summarily ignored the subject when it involved DJT.",
">\n\nThey’re still rehashing the line that Trump declassified all the documents he had and that since Biden was VP he couldn’t. So trump is innocent and Biden is a criminal. And if Obama declassified any of those he was only doing it to cover Biden and is also a criminal.\nIt’s like a straight up parody over there right now.",
">\n\nThe DOJ isn't even arguing the classification status in court. From what I understand they're investigating him for being in possession of defense documents without authorization.",
">\n\nAnd now that there’s a special counsel this will be investigated and the truth will come out.\nIt won’t be satisfying for a lot of people but the truth of what happened here is important.\nAs well as what measures we can take to further prevent things like this from happening. \nBut like, the conservative goalposts keep moving. They’re just treading through them as fast as they can. A new one is that Trump has secret service protecting his documents while Biden didn’t. \nBiden still had secret service protection. And saying Trumps protected it means conspiracy. So that’s super fun.",
">\n\nI wonder if they know Secret Service protects the individual and not property. When he's not at MAL the Secret Service isn't either, they go where he goes. He has to have private security for that. It's the same reason there weren't Secret Service agents protecting Pelosi's house.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day it is what it is and if Biden is guilty he’s guilty. \nThere’s no dancing around the issues. \nBut if Biden is guilty, then Trump is guilty. It’s not one or the other here, which is what they’re saying.\nIt’s just amazing watching them bend over backwards to say how Biden belongs in prison and Trump did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNARA knew Trump still had documents and requested them for almost a year before the first batch were returned, DOJ was involved only after the first batch was returned. Shortly after that it was reported. They knew things were missing and it was kept quiet for a year. \nNARA didn't know Biden still had documents, when they were discovered and returned DOJ got involved and shortly after that it was reported. \nThere's not much difference in how the DOJ handled the two cases publicly. The only difference was that the refusal to turn over the rest of the documents was kept quiet until the Maralago search happened. If they find more, we're going to hear about each single scrap of paper Biden's lawyers voluntarily turn over. One by one, a constant trickle in the news cycle.",
">\n\nThe difference is intent, quantity, quality, lying and obstruction. \nThe similarities are they are classified docs. \nOne is robbing the bank and the other is forgetting to deposit the checks.",
">\n\nThe MAGA cult doesn't understand nuance unfortunately. In their mind, what Biden \"did\" is already worse than what Trump did.",
">\n\nIt's not about nuance. It's about their worldview. \nIn their mind, their \"team\" can do no wrong, no matter what horrible shit they pull. It's always for the \"greater good of Murica.\"\nBy contrast, in their mind the \"other team\" can do no right. Even if Biden himself single-handedly cured cancer and was lifted to the heavens by a choir of angels, they would still see some nefarious plot to destroy the country.",
">\n\nA large number of them would still choose to die of cancer out of spite. The rest would die from overdoses of gymnasium floor cleaner or whatever other pseudoscience nonsense their cult leaders are peddling at the time.",
">\n\nDifference between Republicans and Liberals: \nI, as a liberal, am all for an independent investigation into potential wrongdoing and/or negligience by Biden over the documents, and to be held accountable if required.\nRepublicans want no investigation into Trump or other Republicans for ANYTHING.\nDon't \"both sides\" this.",
">\n\nWe shouldn't allow them to make it equivalent either..",
">\n\nBingo. Investigate Biden, but don't pretend an oversight quickly remedied when it was discovered is the same as Trump hoarding secret documents like he's a fucking dragon on a pile of gold.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine all the secret documents floating around out there. I find it hard to believe that after all these years the ONLY two people in the country witj secret documents were found out. What’s missing out of millions that nobody knows about.",
">\n\nGWB has gotta be doing a once-over on his ranch right about now. But even if he found something, the DOJ would accept the return and keep it quiet. I'm curious how often this happens and we just don't hear about it because it should be embarrassing for all parties involved.",
">\n\nGiven that the last 3 presidential candidates all have had classified information in their residences, I'd say it's very often.\nAlso, this makes sense on why the case for Trump is slow rolling. They aren't going after Trump for possession of documents but for the obstruction of the investigation, which has a much higher bar to clear.",
">\n\nIt's insane how blatant this countries leaders are complicit with fascism.\nTrump had hundreds of documents, refused to work with anyone, and on top of everything, still has documents missing. It's like they're purposely dragging their feet. He's been literally referred for criminal charges by a house committee and they do nothing.\nBiden has a few documents (which he hands over willingly and works with the department) and it's time for fucking ludicrous speed.\nPathetic.",
">\n\nLudicrous speed is how you suck the wind out of the GOP. Otherwise you're battling these allegations right up through campaign season.",
">\n\nThat's another way of saying we are pandering to their tantrums.",
">\n\nAnd the alternative, leaving it and letting it fester, would also be pandering to their tantrums. There's such thing as a no-win situation, which Biden placed us in here",
">\n\nThe point is, they still haven’t charged Trump with shit, Bannon got an 18 month slap on the wrist for an attempted coup and half the people involved in January 6 are still free. But when it’s time to pander to republicans (whose voters aren’t gonna care either way) suddenly the DOJ wants to make a big show of being impartial. \nWhat’s the point of impartiality if we’re letting people off the hook for an attempted coup? I think appointing Garland as AG is one of the worst decisions Biden has made as president."
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Ah, the key difference between the two parties: Only one trusts non-partisan institutions even if there are consequences for their own. | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now.",
">\n\nHe's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run.",
">\n\nYes he is going to run.\nA lot of people who voted for him don't want him to run again and may not vote for him again.\nThese two things can both be true.",
">\n\nI voted for Biden.\nI don’t want him to run again.\nIf Trump is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nIf Desantis is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nRepublicans are self proclaimed party of domestic terrorists.\nAs an independent, I will treat them as such and vote blue until they get their shit together.\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nSo NARA seemed to know that there were missing documents and tried to work for months with dt's team to get them back.\nIt has obviously been awhile since biden was vp, was NARA attempting to find these documents all this time? \nI assume that there is a database of all confidential documents and that they are tracked, which is how they knew trump still had certain documents in his possession.\nDid NARA not know these docs were missing? Or they didn't care? That's what I'm curious about.",
">\n\nNARA had no idea that these documents were missing and did not request them. Had Biden's attorneys shredded them no one would ever know about this.",
">\n\nYeah, the Biden situation is more of a condemnation of our systems for tracking classified documents and making sure they don't go missing than it is a scandal for Biden. \nTrump's situation is disturbing because of the lengths he went to in order to keep the documents even after they were requested and conceal the fact that he had them. Hard to imagine a non-nefarious reason for doing that.",
">\n\nSo for the trouble, Garland appointed a Republican operative with a blank check....I wonder how that will go?",
">\n\nI know for a fact that there are still a lot of unbiased judges who aren't political operatives either way (they mostly go one way) in this country so I'm beginning to question Garland's motives or competence at this point.",
">\n\nHe was on speed dial at the Federalist Society to moderate their panels. That is not something an organization would likely hand over to someone outside their \"values\"",
">\n\nIt's certainly interesting seeing the pearl-clutching over classified documents, particularly amongst Republicans, who summarily ignored the subject when it involved DJT.",
">\n\nThey’re still rehashing the line that Trump declassified all the documents he had and that since Biden was VP he couldn’t. So trump is innocent and Biden is a criminal. And if Obama declassified any of those he was only doing it to cover Biden and is also a criminal.\nIt’s like a straight up parody over there right now.",
">\n\nThe DOJ isn't even arguing the classification status in court. From what I understand they're investigating him for being in possession of defense documents without authorization.",
">\n\nAnd now that there’s a special counsel this will be investigated and the truth will come out.\nIt won’t be satisfying for a lot of people but the truth of what happened here is important.\nAs well as what measures we can take to further prevent things like this from happening. \nBut like, the conservative goalposts keep moving. They’re just treading through them as fast as they can. A new one is that Trump has secret service protecting his documents while Biden didn’t. \nBiden still had secret service protection. And saying Trumps protected it means conspiracy. So that’s super fun.",
">\n\nI wonder if they know Secret Service protects the individual and not property. When he's not at MAL the Secret Service isn't either, they go where he goes. He has to have private security for that. It's the same reason there weren't Secret Service agents protecting Pelosi's house.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day it is what it is and if Biden is guilty he’s guilty. \nThere’s no dancing around the issues. \nBut if Biden is guilty, then Trump is guilty. It’s not one or the other here, which is what they’re saying.\nIt’s just amazing watching them bend over backwards to say how Biden belongs in prison and Trump did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNARA knew Trump still had documents and requested them for almost a year before the first batch were returned, DOJ was involved only after the first batch was returned. Shortly after that it was reported. They knew things were missing and it was kept quiet for a year. \nNARA didn't know Biden still had documents, when they were discovered and returned DOJ got involved and shortly after that it was reported. \nThere's not much difference in how the DOJ handled the two cases publicly. The only difference was that the refusal to turn over the rest of the documents was kept quiet until the Maralago search happened. If they find more, we're going to hear about each single scrap of paper Biden's lawyers voluntarily turn over. One by one, a constant trickle in the news cycle.",
">\n\nThe difference is intent, quantity, quality, lying and obstruction. \nThe similarities are they are classified docs. \nOne is robbing the bank and the other is forgetting to deposit the checks.",
">\n\nThe MAGA cult doesn't understand nuance unfortunately. In their mind, what Biden \"did\" is already worse than what Trump did.",
">\n\nIt's not about nuance. It's about their worldview. \nIn their mind, their \"team\" can do no wrong, no matter what horrible shit they pull. It's always for the \"greater good of Murica.\"\nBy contrast, in their mind the \"other team\" can do no right. Even if Biden himself single-handedly cured cancer and was lifted to the heavens by a choir of angels, they would still see some nefarious plot to destroy the country.",
">\n\nA large number of them would still choose to die of cancer out of spite. The rest would die from overdoses of gymnasium floor cleaner or whatever other pseudoscience nonsense their cult leaders are peddling at the time.",
">\n\nDifference between Republicans and Liberals: \nI, as a liberal, am all for an independent investigation into potential wrongdoing and/or negligience by Biden over the documents, and to be held accountable if required.\nRepublicans want no investigation into Trump or other Republicans for ANYTHING.\nDon't \"both sides\" this.",
">\n\nWe shouldn't allow them to make it equivalent either..",
">\n\nBingo. Investigate Biden, but don't pretend an oversight quickly remedied when it was discovered is the same as Trump hoarding secret documents like he's a fucking dragon on a pile of gold.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine all the secret documents floating around out there. I find it hard to believe that after all these years the ONLY two people in the country witj secret documents were found out. What’s missing out of millions that nobody knows about.",
">\n\nGWB has gotta be doing a once-over on his ranch right about now. But even if he found something, the DOJ would accept the return and keep it quiet. I'm curious how often this happens and we just don't hear about it because it should be embarrassing for all parties involved.",
">\n\nGiven that the last 3 presidential candidates all have had classified information in their residences, I'd say it's very often.\nAlso, this makes sense on why the case for Trump is slow rolling. They aren't going after Trump for possession of documents but for the obstruction of the investigation, which has a much higher bar to clear.",
">\n\nIt's insane how blatant this countries leaders are complicit with fascism.\nTrump had hundreds of documents, refused to work with anyone, and on top of everything, still has documents missing. It's like they're purposely dragging their feet. He's been literally referred for criminal charges by a house committee and they do nothing.\nBiden has a few documents (which he hands over willingly and works with the department) and it's time for fucking ludicrous speed.\nPathetic.",
">\n\nLudicrous speed is how you suck the wind out of the GOP. Otherwise you're battling these allegations right up through campaign season.",
">\n\nThat's another way of saying we are pandering to their tantrums.",
">\n\nAnd the alternative, leaving it and letting it fester, would also be pandering to their tantrums. There's such thing as a no-win situation, which Biden placed us in here",
">\n\nThe point is, they still haven’t charged Trump with shit, Bannon got an 18 month slap on the wrist for an attempted coup and half the people involved in January 6 are still free. But when it’s time to pander to republicans (whose voters aren’t gonna care either way) suddenly the DOJ wants to make a big show of being impartial. \nWhat’s the point of impartiality if we’re letting people off the hook for an attempted coup? I think appointing Garland as AG is one of the worst decisions Biden has made as president.",
">\n\nThe legal experts I like to follow in the media are saying this is a bit overkill but still a fair and evenhanded way of sorting this all out. It's a big headache for Biden and the DOJ but Biden should have been more careful. Given everything we know about Biden I going to assume for the time being that it was just an error and not anything nefarious. However, this prosecutor seems to be on the up and up, so if he concludes something different then I will trust what he says."
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I'll admit many years ago, when I was first following politics, I got into the tribalism and would dismiss any claims of corruption against "my side". That's a dangerous road to go down. Never sell out your sense of right and wrong for political gain. There's no such thing as a good politician that breaks the law.
As I said above, I'm not overly concerned that Biden did anything seriously wrong but that's not my final assessment. If something else comes to light that shows that's not the case and he did do something seriously wrong, I can't in good conscience ignore that. | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now.",
">\n\nHe's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run.",
">\n\nYes he is going to run.\nA lot of people who voted for him don't want him to run again and may not vote for him again.\nThese two things can both be true.",
">\n\nI voted for Biden.\nI don’t want him to run again.\nIf Trump is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nIf Desantis is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nRepublicans are self proclaimed party of domestic terrorists.\nAs an independent, I will treat them as such and vote blue until they get their shit together.\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nSo NARA seemed to know that there were missing documents and tried to work for months with dt's team to get them back.\nIt has obviously been awhile since biden was vp, was NARA attempting to find these documents all this time? \nI assume that there is a database of all confidential documents and that they are tracked, which is how they knew trump still had certain documents in his possession.\nDid NARA not know these docs were missing? Or they didn't care? That's what I'm curious about.",
">\n\nNARA had no idea that these documents were missing and did not request them. Had Biden's attorneys shredded them no one would ever know about this.",
">\n\nYeah, the Biden situation is more of a condemnation of our systems for tracking classified documents and making sure they don't go missing than it is a scandal for Biden. \nTrump's situation is disturbing because of the lengths he went to in order to keep the documents even after they were requested and conceal the fact that he had them. Hard to imagine a non-nefarious reason for doing that.",
">\n\nSo for the trouble, Garland appointed a Republican operative with a blank check....I wonder how that will go?",
">\n\nI know for a fact that there are still a lot of unbiased judges who aren't political operatives either way (they mostly go one way) in this country so I'm beginning to question Garland's motives or competence at this point.",
">\n\nHe was on speed dial at the Federalist Society to moderate their panels. That is not something an organization would likely hand over to someone outside their \"values\"",
">\n\nIt's certainly interesting seeing the pearl-clutching over classified documents, particularly amongst Republicans, who summarily ignored the subject when it involved DJT.",
">\n\nThey’re still rehashing the line that Trump declassified all the documents he had and that since Biden was VP he couldn’t. So trump is innocent and Biden is a criminal. And if Obama declassified any of those he was only doing it to cover Biden and is also a criminal.\nIt’s like a straight up parody over there right now.",
">\n\nThe DOJ isn't even arguing the classification status in court. From what I understand they're investigating him for being in possession of defense documents without authorization.",
">\n\nAnd now that there’s a special counsel this will be investigated and the truth will come out.\nIt won’t be satisfying for a lot of people but the truth of what happened here is important.\nAs well as what measures we can take to further prevent things like this from happening. \nBut like, the conservative goalposts keep moving. They’re just treading through them as fast as they can. A new one is that Trump has secret service protecting his documents while Biden didn’t. \nBiden still had secret service protection. And saying Trumps protected it means conspiracy. So that’s super fun.",
">\n\nI wonder if they know Secret Service protects the individual and not property. When he's not at MAL the Secret Service isn't either, they go where he goes. He has to have private security for that. It's the same reason there weren't Secret Service agents protecting Pelosi's house.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day it is what it is and if Biden is guilty he’s guilty. \nThere’s no dancing around the issues. \nBut if Biden is guilty, then Trump is guilty. It’s not one or the other here, which is what they’re saying.\nIt’s just amazing watching them bend over backwards to say how Biden belongs in prison and Trump did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNARA knew Trump still had documents and requested them for almost a year before the first batch were returned, DOJ was involved only after the first batch was returned. Shortly after that it was reported. They knew things were missing and it was kept quiet for a year. \nNARA didn't know Biden still had documents, when they were discovered and returned DOJ got involved and shortly after that it was reported. \nThere's not much difference in how the DOJ handled the two cases publicly. The only difference was that the refusal to turn over the rest of the documents was kept quiet until the Maralago search happened. If they find more, we're going to hear about each single scrap of paper Biden's lawyers voluntarily turn over. One by one, a constant trickle in the news cycle.",
">\n\nThe difference is intent, quantity, quality, lying and obstruction. \nThe similarities are they are classified docs. \nOne is robbing the bank and the other is forgetting to deposit the checks.",
">\n\nThe MAGA cult doesn't understand nuance unfortunately. In their mind, what Biden \"did\" is already worse than what Trump did.",
">\n\nIt's not about nuance. It's about their worldview. \nIn their mind, their \"team\" can do no wrong, no matter what horrible shit they pull. It's always for the \"greater good of Murica.\"\nBy contrast, in their mind the \"other team\" can do no right. Even if Biden himself single-handedly cured cancer and was lifted to the heavens by a choir of angels, they would still see some nefarious plot to destroy the country.",
">\n\nA large number of them would still choose to die of cancer out of spite. The rest would die from overdoses of gymnasium floor cleaner or whatever other pseudoscience nonsense their cult leaders are peddling at the time.",
">\n\nDifference between Republicans and Liberals: \nI, as a liberal, am all for an independent investigation into potential wrongdoing and/or negligience by Biden over the documents, and to be held accountable if required.\nRepublicans want no investigation into Trump or other Republicans for ANYTHING.\nDon't \"both sides\" this.",
">\n\nWe shouldn't allow them to make it equivalent either..",
">\n\nBingo. Investigate Biden, but don't pretend an oversight quickly remedied when it was discovered is the same as Trump hoarding secret documents like he's a fucking dragon on a pile of gold.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine all the secret documents floating around out there. I find it hard to believe that after all these years the ONLY two people in the country witj secret documents were found out. What’s missing out of millions that nobody knows about.",
">\n\nGWB has gotta be doing a once-over on his ranch right about now. But even if he found something, the DOJ would accept the return and keep it quiet. I'm curious how often this happens and we just don't hear about it because it should be embarrassing for all parties involved.",
">\n\nGiven that the last 3 presidential candidates all have had classified information in their residences, I'd say it's very often.\nAlso, this makes sense on why the case for Trump is slow rolling. They aren't going after Trump for possession of documents but for the obstruction of the investigation, which has a much higher bar to clear.",
">\n\nIt's insane how blatant this countries leaders are complicit with fascism.\nTrump had hundreds of documents, refused to work with anyone, and on top of everything, still has documents missing. It's like they're purposely dragging their feet. He's been literally referred for criminal charges by a house committee and they do nothing.\nBiden has a few documents (which he hands over willingly and works with the department) and it's time for fucking ludicrous speed.\nPathetic.",
">\n\nLudicrous speed is how you suck the wind out of the GOP. Otherwise you're battling these allegations right up through campaign season.",
">\n\nThat's another way of saying we are pandering to their tantrums.",
">\n\nAnd the alternative, leaving it and letting it fester, would also be pandering to their tantrums. There's such thing as a no-win situation, which Biden placed us in here",
">\n\nThe point is, they still haven’t charged Trump with shit, Bannon got an 18 month slap on the wrist for an attempted coup and half the people involved in January 6 are still free. But when it’s time to pander to republicans (whose voters aren’t gonna care either way) suddenly the DOJ wants to make a big show of being impartial. \nWhat’s the point of impartiality if we’re letting people off the hook for an attempted coup? I think appointing Garland as AG is one of the worst decisions Biden has made as president.",
">\n\nThe legal experts I like to follow in the media are saying this is a bit overkill but still a fair and evenhanded way of sorting this all out. It's a big headache for Biden and the DOJ but Biden should have been more careful. Given everything we know about Biden I going to assume for the time being that it was just an error and not anything nefarious. However, this prosecutor seems to be on the up and up, so if he concludes something different then I will trust what he says.",
">\n\nAh, the key difference between the two parties: Only one trusts non-partisan institutions even if there are consequences for their own."
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Yep, I'm all for investigating whats likely nothing because it could be something. Unfortunately trust in our institutions has been degraded so much that even if nothing comes of it, it'll be used as a boogie man for the foreseeable future. | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now.",
">\n\nHe's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run.",
">\n\nYes he is going to run.\nA lot of people who voted for him don't want him to run again and may not vote for him again.\nThese two things can both be true.",
">\n\nI voted for Biden.\nI don’t want him to run again.\nIf Trump is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nIf Desantis is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nRepublicans are self proclaimed party of domestic terrorists.\nAs an independent, I will treat them as such and vote blue until they get their shit together.\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nSo NARA seemed to know that there were missing documents and tried to work for months with dt's team to get them back.\nIt has obviously been awhile since biden was vp, was NARA attempting to find these documents all this time? \nI assume that there is a database of all confidential documents and that they are tracked, which is how they knew trump still had certain documents in his possession.\nDid NARA not know these docs were missing? Or they didn't care? That's what I'm curious about.",
">\n\nNARA had no idea that these documents were missing and did not request them. Had Biden's attorneys shredded them no one would ever know about this.",
">\n\nYeah, the Biden situation is more of a condemnation of our systems for tracking classified documents and making sure they don't go missing than it is a scandal for Biden. \nTrump's situation is disturbing because of the lengths he went to in order to keep the documents even after they were requested and conceal the fact that he had them. Hard to imagine a non-nefarious reason for doing that.",
">\n\nSo for the trouble, Garland appointed a Republican operative with a blank check....I wonder how that will go?",
">\n\nI know for a fact that there are still a lot of unbiased judges who aren't political operatives either way (they mostly go one way) in this country so I'm beginning to question Garland's motives or competence at this point.",
">\n\nHe was on speed dial at the Federalist Society to moderate their panels. That is not something an organization would likely hand over to someone outside their \"values\"",
">\n\nIt's certainly interesting seeing the pearl-clutching over classified documents, particularly amongst Republicans, who summarily ignored the subject when it involved DJT.",
">\n\nThey’re still rehashing the line that Trump declassified all the documents he had and that since Biden was VP he couldn’t. So trump is innocent and Biden is a criminal. And if Obama declassified any of those he was only doing it to cover Biden and is also a criminal.\nIt’s like a straight up parody over there right now.",
">\n\nThe DOJ isn't even arguing the classification status in court. From what I understand they're investigating him for being in possession of defense documents without authorization.",
">\n\nAnd now that there’s a special counsel this will be investigated and the truth will come out.\nIt won’t be satisfying for a lot of people but the truth of what happened here is important.\nAs well as what measures we can take to further prevent things like this from happening. \nBut like, the conservative goalposts keep moving. They’re just treading through them as fast as they can. A new one is that Trump has secret service protecting his documents while Biden didn’t. \nBiden still had secret service protection. And saying Trumps protected it means conspiracy. So that’s super fun.",
">\n\nI wonder if they know Secret Service protects the individual and not property. When he's not at MAL the Secret Service isn't either, they go where he goes. He has to have private security for that. It's the same reason there weren't Secret Service agents protecting Pelosi's house.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day it is what it is and if Biden is guilty he’s guilty. \nThere’s no dancing around the issues. \nBut if Biden is guilty, then Trump is guilty. It’s not one or the other here, which is what they’re saying.\nIt’s just amazing watching them bend over backwards to say how Biden belongs in prison and Trump did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNARA knew Trump still had documents and requested them for almost a year before the first batch were returned, DOJ was involved only after the first batch was returned. Shortly after that it was reported. They knew things were missing and it was kept quiet for a year. \nNARA didn't know Biden still had documents, when they were discovered and returned DOJ got involved and shortly after that it was reported. \nThere's not much difference in how the DOJ handled the two cases publicly. The only difference was that the refusal to turn over the rest of the documents was kept quiet until the Maralago search happened. If they find more, we're going to hear about each single scrap of paper Biden's lawyers voluntarily turn over. One by one, a constant trickle in the news cycle.",
">\n\nThe difference is intent, quantity, quality, lying and obstruction. \nThe similarities are they are classified docs. \nOne is robbing the bank and the other is forgetting to deposit the checks.",
">\n\nThe MAGA cult doesn't understand nuance unfortunately. In their mind, what Biden \"did\" is already worse than what Trump did.",
">\n\nIt's not about nuance. It's about their worldview. \nIn their mind, their \"team\" can do no wrong, no matter what horrible shit they pull. It's always for the \"greater good of Murica.\"\nBy contrast, in their mind the \"other team\" can do no right. Even if Biden himself single-handedly cured cancer and was lifted to the heavens by a choir of angels, they would still see some nefarious plot to destroy the country.",
">\n\nA large number of them would still choose to die of cancer out of spite. The rest would die from overdoses of gymnasium floor cleaner or whatever other pseudoscience nonsense their cult leaders are peddling at the time.",
">\n\nDifference between Republicans and Liberals: \nI, as a liberal, am all for an independent investigation into potential wrongdoing and/or negligience by Biden over the documents, and to be held accountable if required.\nRepublicans want no investigation into Trump or other Republicans for ANYTHING.\nDon't \"both sides\" this.",
">\n\nWe shouldn't allow them to make it equivalent either..",
">\n\nBingo. Investigate Biden, but don't pretend an oversight quickly remedied when it was discovered is the same as Trump hoarding secret documents like he's a fucking dragon on a pile of gold.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine all the secret documents floating around out there. I find it hard to believe that after all these years the ONLY two people in the country witj secret documents were found out. What’s missing out of millions that nobody knows about.",
">\n\nGWB has gotta be doing a once-over on his ranch right about now. But even if he found something, the DOJ would accept the return and keep it quiet. I'm curious how often this happens and we just don't hear about it because it should be embarrassing for all parties involved.",
">\n\nGiven that the last 3 presidential candidates all have had classified information in their residences, I'd say it's very often.\nAlso, this makes sense on why the case for Trump is slow rolling. They aren't going after Trump for possession of documents but for the obstruction of the investigation, which has a much higher bar to clear.",
">\n\nIt's insane how blatant this countries leaders are complicit with fascism.\nTrump had hundreds of documents, refused to work with anyone, and on top of everything, still has documents missing. It's like they're purposely dragging their feet. He's been literally referred for criminal charges by a house committee and they do nothing.\nBiden has a few documents (which he hands over willingly and works with the department) and it's time for fucking ludicrous speed.\nPathetic.",
">\n\nLudicrous speed is how you suck the wind out of the GOP. Otherwise you're battling these allegations right up through campaign season.",
">\n\nThat's another way of saying we are pandering to their tantrums.",
">\n\nAnd the alternative, leaving it and letting it fester, would also be pandering to their tantrums. There's such thing as a no-win situation, which Biden placed us in here",
">\n\nThe point is, they still haven’t charged Trump with shit, Bannon got an 18 month slap on the wrist for an attempted coup and half the people involved in January 6 are still free. But when it’s time to pander to republicans (whose voters aren’t gonna care either way) suddenly the DOJ wants to make a big show of being impartial. \nWhat’s the point of impartiality if we’re letting people off the hook for an attempted coup? I think appointing Garland as AG is one of the worst decisions Biden has made as president.",
">\n\nThe legal experts I like to follow in the media are saying this is a bit overkill but still a fair and evenhanded way of sorting this all out. It's a big headache for Biden and the DOJ but Biden should have been more careful. Given everything we know about Biden I going to assume for the time being that it was just an error and not anything nefarious. However, this prosecutor seems to be on the up and up, so if he concludes something different then I will trust what he says.",
">\n\nAh, the key difference between the two parties: Only one trusts non-partisan institutions even if there are consequences for their own.",
">\n\nI'll admit many years ago, when I was first following politics, I got into the tribalism and would dismiss any claims of corruption against \"my side\". That's a dangerous road to go down. Never sell out your sense of right and wrong for political gain. There's no such thing as a good politician that breaks the law. \nAs I said above, I'm not overly concerned that Biden did anything seriously wrong but that's not my final assessment. If something else comes to light that shows that's not the case and he did do something seriously wrong, I can't in good conscience ignore that."
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Seems more like an honest mistake than malicious like trump’s seeing as he is cooperating, but why in the hell did classified documents go missing for years and the government literally never noticed? Why bother with classified documents if the chain of custody is so laughable | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now.",
">\n\nHe's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run.",
">\n\nYes he is going to run.\nA lot of people who voted for him don't want him to run again and may not vote for him again.\nThese two things can both be true.",
">\n\nI voted for Biden.\nI don’t want him to run again.\nIf Trump is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nIf Desantis is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nRepublicans are self proclaimed party of domestic terrorists.\nAs an independent, I will treat them as such and vote blue until they get their shit together.\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nSo NARA seemed to know that there were missing documents and tried to work for months with dt's team to get them back.\nIt has obviously been awhile since biden was vp, was NARA attempting to find these documents all this time? \nI assume that there is a database of all confidential documents and that they are tracked, which is how they knew trump still had certain documents in his possession.\nDid NARA not know these docs were missing? Or they didn't care? That's what I'm curious about.",
">\n\nNARA had no idea that these documents were missing and did not request them. Had Biden's attorneys shredded them no one would ever know about this.",
">\n\nYeah, the Biden situation is more of a condemnation of our systems for tracking classified documents and making sure they don't go missing than it is a scandal for Biden. \nTrump's situation is disturbing because of the lengths he went to in order to keep the documents even after they were requested and conceal the fact that he had them. Hard to imagine a non-nefarious reason for doing that.",
">\n\nSo for the trouble, Garland appointed a Republican operative with a blank check....I wonder how that will go?",
">\n\nI know for a fact that there are still a lot of unbiased judges who aren't political operatives either way (they mostly go one way) in this country so I'm beginning to question Garland's motives or competence at this point.",
">\n\nHe was on speed dial at the Federalist Society to moderate their panels. That is not something an organization would likely hand over to someone outside their \"values\"",
">\n\nIt's certainly interesting seeing the pearl-clutching over classified documents, particularly amongst Republicans, who summarily ignored the subject when it involved DJT.",
">\n\nThey’re still rehashing the line that Trump declassified all the documents he had and that since Biden was VP he couldn’t. So trump is innocent and Biden is a criminal. And if Obama declassified any of those he was only doing it to cover Biden and is also a criminal.\nIt’s like a straight up parody over there right now.",
">\n\nThe DOJ isn't even arguing the classification status in court. From what I understand they're investigating him for being in possession of defense documents without authorization.",
">\n\nAnd now that there’s a special counsel this will be investigated and the truth will come out.\nIt won’t be satisfying for a lot of people but the truth of what happened here is important.\nAs well as what measures we can take to further prevent things like this from happening. \nBut like, the conservative goalposts keep moving. They’re just treading through them as fast as they can. A new one is that Trump has secret service protecting his documents while Biden didn’t. \nBiden still had secret service protection. And saying Trumps protected it means conspiracy. So that’s super fun.",
">\n\nI wonder if they know Secret Service protects the individual and not property. When he's not at MAL the Secret Service isn't either, they go where he goes. He has to have private security for that. It's the same reason there weren't Secret Service agents protecting Pelosi's house.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day it is what it is and if Biden is guilty he’s guilty. \nThere’s no dancing around the issues. \nBut if Biden is guilty, then Trump is guilty. It’s not one or the other here, which is what they’re saying.\nIt’s just amazing watching them bend over backwards to say how Biden belongs in prison and Trump did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNARA knew Trump still had documents and requested them for almost a year before the first batch were returned, DOJ was involved only after the first batch was returned. Shortly after that it was reported. They knew things were missing and it was kept quiet for a year. \nNARA didn't know Biden still had documents, when they were discovered and returned DOJ got involved and shortly after that it was reported. \nThere's not much difference in how the DOJ handled the two cases publicly. The only difference was that the refusal to turn over the rest of the documents was kept quiet until the Maralago search happened. If they find more, we're going to hear about each single scrap of paper Biden's lawyers voluntarily turn over. One by one, a constant trickle in the news cycle.",
">\n\nThe difference is intent, quantity, quality, lying and obstruction. \nThe similarities are they are classified docs. \nOne is robbing the bank and the other is forgetting to deposit the checks.",
">\n\nThe MAGA cult doesn't understand nuance unfortunately. In their mind, what Biden \"did\" is already worse than what Trump did.",
">\n\nIt's not about nuance. It's about their worldview. \nIn their mind, their \"team\" can do no wrong, no matter what horrible shit they pull. It's always for the \"greater good of Murica.\"\nBy contrast, in their mind the \"other team\" can do no right. Even if Biden himself single-handedly cured cancer and was lifted to the heavens by a choir of angels, they would still see some nefarious plot to destroy the country.",
">\n\nA large number of them would still choose to die of cancer out of spite. The rest would die from overdoses of gymnasium floor cleaner or whatever other pseudoscience nonsense their cult leaders are peddling at the time.",
">\n\nDifference between Republicans and Liberals: \nI, as a liberal, am all for an independent investigation into potential wrongdoing and/or negligience by Biden over the documents, and to be held accountable if required.\nRepublicans want no investigation into Trump or other Republicans for ANYTHING.\nDon't \"both sides\" this.",
">\n\nWe shouldn't allow them to make it equivalent either..",
">\n\nBingo. Investigate Biden, but don't pretend an oversight quickly remedied when it was discovered is the same as Trump hoarding secret documents like he's a fucking dragon on a pile of gold.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine all the secret documents floating around out there. I find it hard to believe that after all these years the ONLY two people in the country witj secret documents were found out. What’s missing out of millions that nobody knows about.",
">\n\nGWB has gotta be doing a once-over on his ranch right about now. But even if he found something, the DOJ would accept the return and keep it quiet. I'm curious how often this happens and we just don't hear about it because it should be embarrassing for all parties involved.",
">\n\nGiven that the last 3 presidential candidates all have had classified information in their residences, I'd say it's very often.\nAlso, this makes sense on why the case for Trump is slow rolling. They aren't going after Trump for possession of documents but for the obstruction of the investigation, which has a much higher bar to clear.",
">\n\nIt's insane how blatant this countries leaders are complicit with fascism.\nTrump had hundreds of documents, refused to work with anyone, and on top of everything, still has documents missing. It's like they're purposely dragging their feet. He's been literally referred for criminal charges by a house committee and they do nothing.\nBiden has a few documents (which he hands over willingly and works with the department) and it's time for fucking ludicrous speed.\nPathetic.",
">\n\nLudicrous speed is how you suck the wind out of the GOP. Otherwise you're battling these allegations right up through campaign season.",
">\n\nThat's another way of saying we are pandering to their tantrums.",
">\n\nAnd the alternative, leaving it and letting it fester, would also be pandering to their tantrums. There's such thing as a no-win situation, which Biden placed us in here",
">\n\nThe point is, they still haven’t charged Trump with shit, Bannon got an 18 month slap on the wrist for an attempted coup and half the people involved in January 6 are still free. But when it’s time to pander to republicans (whose voters aren’t gonna care either way) suddenly the DOJ wants to make a big show of being impartial. \nWhat’s the point of impartiality if we’re letting people off the hook for an attempted coup? I think appointing Garland as AG is one of the worst decisions Biden has made as president.",
">\n\nThe legal experts I like to follow in the media are saying this is a bit overkill but still a fair and evenhanded way of sorting this all out. It's a big headache for Biden and the DOJ but Biden should have been more careful. Given everything we know about Biden I going to assume for the time being that it was just an error and not anything nefarious. However, this prosecutor seems to be on the up and up, so if he concludes something different then I will trust what he says.",
">\n\nAh, the key difference between the two parties: Only one trusts non-partisan institutions even if there are consequences for their own.",
">\n\nI'll admit many years ago, when I was first following politics, I got into the tribalism and would dismiss any claims of corruption against \"my side\". That's a dangerous road to go down. Never sell out your sense of right and wrong for political gain. There's no such thing as a good politician that breaks the law. \nAs I said above, I'm not overly concerned that Biden did anything seriously wrong but that's not my final assessment. If something else comes to light that shows that's not the case and he did do something seriously wrong, I can't in good conscience ignore that.",
">\n\nYep, I'm all for investigating whats likely nothing because it could be something. Unfortunately trust in our institutions has been degraded so much that even if nothing comes of it, it'll be used as a boogie man for the foreseeable future."
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"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now.",
">\n\nHe's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run.",
">\n\nYes he is going to run.\nA lot of people who voted for him don't want him to run again and may not vote for him again.\nThese two things can both be true.",
">\n\nI voted for Biden.\nI don’t want him to run again.\nIf Trump is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nIf Desantis is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nRepublicans are self proclaimed party of domestic terrorists.\nAs an independent, I will treat them as such and vote blue until they get their shit together.\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nSo NARA seemed to know that there were missing documents and tried to work for months with dt's team to get them back.\nIt has obviously been awhile since biden was vp, was NARA attempting to find these documents all this time? \nI assume that there is a database of all confidential documents and that they are tracked, which is how they knew trump still had certain documents in his possession.\nDid NARA not know these docs were missing? Or they didn't care? That's what I'm curious about.",
">\n\nNARA had no idea that these documents were missing and did not request them. Had Biden's attorneys shredded them no one would ever know about this.",
">\n\nYeah, the Biden situation is more of a condemnation of our systems for tracking classified documents and making sure they don't go missing than it is a scandal for Biden. \nTrump's situation is disturbing because of the lengths he went to in order to keep the documents even after they were requested and conceal the fact that he had them. Hard to imagine a non-nefarious reason for doing that.",
">\n\nSo for the trouble, Garland appointed a Republican operative with a blank check....I wonder how that will go?",
">\n\nI know for a fact that there are still a lot of unbiased judges who aren't political operatives either way (they mostly go one way) in this country so I'm beginning to question Garland's motives or competence at this point.",
">\n\nHe was on speed dial at the Federalist Society to moderate their panels. That is not something an organization would likely hand over to someone outside their \"values\"",
">\n\nIt's certainly interesting seeing the pearl-clutching over classified documents, particularly amongst Republicans, who summarily ignored the subject when it involved DJT.",
">\n\nThey’re still rehashing the line that Trump declassified all the documents he had and that since Biden was VP he couldn’t. So trump is innocent and Biden is a criminal. And if Obama declassified any of those he was only doing it to cover Biden and is also a criminal.\nIt’s like a straight up parody over there right now.",
">\n\nThe DOJ isn't even arguing the classification status in court. From what I understand they're investigating him for being in possession of defense documents without authorization.",
">\n\nAnd now that there’s a special counsel this will be investigated and the truth will come out.\nIt won’t be satisfying for a lot of people but the truth of what happened here is important.\nAs well as what measures we can take to further prevent things like this from happening. \nBut like, the conservative goalposts keep moving. They’re just treading through them as fast as they can. A new one is that Trump has secret service protecting his documents while Biden didn’t. \nBiden still had secret service protection. And saying Trumps protected it means conspiracy. So that’s super fun.",
">\n\nI wonder if they know Secret Service protects the individual and not property. When he's not at MAL the Secret Service isn't either, they go where he goes. He has to have private security for that. It's the same reason there weren't Secret Service agents protecting Pelosi's house.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day it is what it is and if Biden is guilty he’s guilty. \nThere’s no dancing around the issues. \nBut if Biden is guilty, then Trump is guilty. It’s not one or the other here, which is what they’re saying.\nIt’s just amazing watching them bend over backwards to say how Biden belongs in prison and Trump did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNARA knew Trump still had documents and requested them for almost a year before the first batch were returned, DOJ was involved only after the first batch was returned. Shortly after that it was reported. They knew things were missing and it was kept quiet for a year. \nNARA didn't know Biden still had documents, when they were discovered and returned DOJ got involved and shortly after that it was reported. \nThere's not much difference in how the DOJ handled the two cases publicly. The only difference was that the refusal to turn over the rest of the documents was kept quiet until the Maralago search happened. If they find more, we're going to hear about each single scrap of paper Biden's lawyers voluntarily turn over. One by one, a constant trickle in the news cycle.",
">\n\nThe difference is intent, quantity, quality, lying and obstruction. \nThe similarities are they are classified docs. \nOne is robbing the bank and the other is forgetting to deposit the checks.",
">\n\nThe MAGA cult doesn't understand nuance unfortunately. In their mind, what Biden \"did\" is already worse than what Trump did.",
">\n\nIt's not about nuance. It's about their worldview. \nIn their mind, their \"team\" can do no wrong, no matter what horrible shit they pull. It's always for the \"greater good of Murica.\"\nBy contrast, in their mind the \"other team\" can do no right. Even if Biden himself single-handedly cured cancer and was lifted to the heavens by a choir of angels, they would still see some nefarious plot to destroy the country.",
">\n\nA large number of them would still choose to die of cancer out of spite. The rest would die from overdoses of gymnasium floor cleaner or whatever other pseudoscience nonsense their cult leaders are peddling at the time.",
">\n\nDifference between Republicans and Liberals: \nI, as a liberal, am all for an independent investigation into potential wrongdoing and/or negligience by Biden over the documents, and to be held accountable if required.\nRepublicans want no investigation into Trump or other Republicans for ANYTHING.\nDon't \"both sides\" this.",
">\n\nWe shouldn't allow them to make it equivalent either..",
">\n\nBingo. Investigate Biden, but don't pretend an oversight quickly remedied when it was discovered is the same as Trump hoarding secret documents like he's a fucking dragon on a pile of gold.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine all the secret documents floating around out there. I find it hard to believe that after all these years the ONLY two people in the country witj secret documents were found out. What’s missing out of millions that nobody knows about.",
">\n\nGWB has gotta be doing a once-over on his ranch right about now. But even if he found something, the DOJ would accept the return and keep it quiet. I'm curious how often this happens and we just don't hear about it because it should be embarrassing for all parties involved.",
">\n\nGiven that the last 3 presidential candidates all have had classified information in their residences, I'd say it's very often.\nAlso, this makes sense on why the case for Trump is slow rolling. They aren't going after Trump for possession of documents but for the obstruction of the investigation, which has a much higher bar to clear.",
">\n\nIt's insane how blatant this countries leaders are complicit with fascism.\nTrump had hundreds of documents, refused to work with anyone, and on top of everything, still has documents missing. It's like they're purposely dragging their feet. He's been literally referred for criminal charges by a house committee and they do nothing.\nBiden has a few documents (which he hands over willingly and works with the department) and it's time for fucking ludicrous speed.\nPathetic.",
">\n\nLudicrous speed is how you suck the wind out of the GOP. Otherwise you're battling these allegations right up through campaign season.",
">\n\nThat's another way of saying we are pandering to their tantrums.",
">\n\nAnd the alternative, leaving it and letting it fester, would also be pandering to their tantrums. There's such thing as a no-win situation, which Biden placed us in here",
">\n\nThe point is, they still haven’t charged Trump with shit, Bannon got an 18 month slap on the wrist for an attempted coup and half the people involved in January 6 are still free. But when it’s time to pander to republicans (whose voters aren’t gonna care either way) suddenly the DOJ wants to make a big show of being impartial. \nWhat’s the point of impartiality if we’re letting people off the hook for an attempted coup? I think appointing Garland as AG is one of the worst decisions Biden has made as president.",
">\n\nThe legal experts I like to follow in the media are saying this is a bit overkill but still a fair and evenhanded way of sorting this all out. It's a big headache for Biden and the DOJ but Biden should have been more careful. Given everything we know about Biden I going to assume for the time being that it was just an error and not anything nefarious. However, this prosecutor seems to be on the up and up, so if he concludes something different then I will trust what he says.",
">\n\nAh, the key difference between the two parties: Only one trusts non-partisan institutions even if there are consequences for their own.",
">\n\nI'll admit many years ago, when I was first following politics, I got into the tribalism and would dismiss any claims of corruption against \"my side\". That's a dangerous road to go down. Never sell out your sense of right and wrong for political gain. There's no such thing as a good politician that breaks the law. \nAs I said above, I'm not overly concerned that Biden did anything seriously wrong but that's not my final assessment. If something else comes to light that shows that's not the case and he did do something seriously wrong, I can't in good conscience ignore that.",
">\n\nYep, I'm all for investigating whats likely nothing because it could be something. Unfortunately trust in our institutions has been degraded so much that even if nothing comes of it, it'll be used as a boogie man for the foreseeable future.",
">\n\nSeems more like an honest mistake than malicious like trump’s seeing as he is cooperating, but why in the hell did classified documents go missing for years and the government literally never noticed? Why bother with classified documents if the chain of custody is so laughable"
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Trumps obstruction is a part of the point. The main point was he had some of the most confidential documents in this country sitting in a resort. | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now.",
">\n\nHe's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run.",
">\n\nYes he is going to run.\nA lot of people who voted for him don't want him to run again and may not vote for him again.\nThese two things can both be true.",
">\n\nI voted for Biden.\nI don’t want him to run again.\nIf Trump is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nIf Desantis is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nRepublicans are self proclaimed party of domestic terrorists.\nAs an independent, I will treat them as such and vote blue until they get their shit together.\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nSo NARA seemed to know that there were missing documents and tried to work for months with dt's team to get them back.\nIt has obviously been awhile since biden was vp, was NARA attempting to find these documents all this time? \nI assume that there is a database of all confidential documents and that they are tracked, which is how they knew trump still had certain documents in his possession.\nDid NARA not know these docs were missing? Or they didn't care? That's what I'm curious about.",
">\n\nNARA had no idea that these documents were missing and did not request them. Had Biden's attorneys shredded them no one would ever know about this.",
">\n\nYeah, the Biden situation is more of a condemnation of our systems for tracking classified documents and making sure they don't go missing than it is a scandal for Biden. \nTrump's situation is disturbing because of the lengths he went to in order to keep the documents even after they were requested and conceal the fact that he had them. Hard to imagine a non-nefarious reason for doing that.",
">\n\nSo for the trouble, Garland appointed a Republican operative with a blank check....I wonder how that will go?",
">\n\nI know for a fact that there are still a lot of unbiased judges who aren't political operatives either way (they mostly go one way) in this country so I'm beginning to question Garland's motives or competence at this point.",
">\n\nHe was on speed dial at the Federalist Society to moderate their panels. That is not something an organization would likely hand over to someone outside their \"values\"",
">\n\nIt's certainly interesting seeing the pearl-clutching over classified documents, particularly amongst Republicans, who summarily ignored the subject when it involved DJT.",
">\n\nThey’re still rehashing the line that Trump declassified all the documents he had and that since Biden was VP he couldn’t. So trump is innocent and Biden is a criminal. And if Obama declassified any of those he was only doing it to cover Biden and is also a criminal.\nIt’s like a straight up parody over there right now.",
">\n\nThe DOJ isn't even arguing the classification status in court. From what I understand they're investigating him for being in possession of defense documents without authorization.",
">\n\nAnd now that there’s a special counsel this will be investigated and the truth will come out.\nIt won’t be satisfying for a lot of people but the truth of what happened here is important.\nAs well as what measures we can take to further prevent things like this from happening. \nBut like, the conservative goalposts keep moving. They’re just treading through them as fast as they can. A new one is that Trump has secret service protecting his documents while Biden didn’t. \nBiden still had secret service protection. And saying Trumps protected it means conspiracy. So that’s super fun.",
">\n\nI wonder if they know Secret Service protects the individual and not property. When he's not at MAL the Secret Service isn't either, they go where he goes. He has to have private security for that. It's the same reason there weren't Secret Service agents protecting Pelosi's house.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day it is what it is and if Biden is guilty he’s guilty. \nThere’s no dancing around the issues. \nBut if Biden is guilty, then Trump is guilty. It’s not one or the other here, which is what they’re saying.\nIt’s just amazing watching them bend over backwards to say how Biden belongs in prison and Trump did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNARA knew Trump still had documents and requested them for almost a year before the first batch were returned, DOJ was involved only after the first batch was returned. Shortly after that it was reported. They knew things were missing and it was kept quiet for a year. \nNARA didn't know Biden still had documents, when they were discovered and returned DOJ got involved and shortly after that it was reported. \nThere's not much difference in how the DOJ handled the two cases publicly. The only difference was that the refusal to turn over the rest of the documents was kept quiet until the Maralago search happened. If they find more, we're going to hear about each single scrap of paper Biden's lawyers voluntarily turn over. One by one, a constant trickle in the news cycle.",
">\n\nThe difference is intent, quantity, quality, lying and obstruction. \nThe similarities are they are classified docs. \nOne is robbing the bank and the other is forgetting to deposit the checks.",
">\n\nThe MAGA cult doesn't understand nuance unfortunately. In their mind, what Biden \"did\" is already worse than what Trump did.",
">\n\nIt's not about nuance. It's about their worldview. \nIn their mind, their \"team\" can do no wrong, no matter what horrible shit they pull. It's always for the \"greater good of Murica.\"\nBy contrast, in their mind the \"other team\" can do no right. Even if Biden himself single-handedly cured cancer and was lifted to the heavens by a choir of angels, they would still see some nefarious plot to destroy the country.",
">\n\nA large number of them would still choose to die of cancer out of spite. The rest would die from overdoses of gymnasium floor cleaner or whatever other pseudoscience nonsense their cult leaders are peddling at the time.",
">\n\nDifference between Republicans and Liberals: \nI, as a liberal, am all for an independent investigation into potential wrongdoing and/or negligience by Biden over the documents, and to be held accountable if required.\nRepublicans want no investigation into Trump or other Republicans for ANYTHING.\nDon't \"both sides\" this.",
">\n\nWe shouldn't allow them to make it equivalent either..",
">\n\nBingo. Investigate Biden, but don't pretend an oversight quickly remedied when it was discovered is the same as Trump hoarding secret documents like he's a fucking dragon on a pile of gold.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine all the secret documents floating around out there. I find it hard to believe that after all these years the ONLY two people in the country witj secret documents were found out. What’s missing out of millions that nobody knows about.",
">\n\nGWB has gotta be doing a once-over on his ranch right about now. But even if he found something, the DOJ would accept the return and keep it quiet. I'm curious how often this happens and we just don't hear about it because it should be embarrassing for all parties involved.",
">\n\nGiven that the last 3 presidential candidates all have had classified information in their residences, I'd say it's very often.\nAlso, this makes sense on why the case for Trump is slow rolling. They aren't going after Trump for possession of documents but for the obstruction of the investigation, which has a much higher bar to clear.",
">\n\nIt's insane how blatant this countries leaders are complicit with fascism.\nTrump had hundreds of documents, refused to work with anyone, and on top of everything, still has documents missing. It's like they're purposely dragging their feet. He's been literally referred for criminal charges by a house committee and they do nothing.\nBiden has a few documents (which he hands over willingly and works with the department) and it's time for fucking ludicrous speed.\nPathetic.",
">\n\nLudicrous speed is how you suck the wind out of the GOP. Otherwise you're battling these allegations right up through campaign season.",
">\n\nThat's another way of saying we are pandering to their tantrums.",
">\n\nAnd the alternative, leaving it and letting it fester, would also be pandering to their tantrums. There's such thing as a no-win situation, which Biden placed us in here",
">\n\nThe point is, they still haven’t charged Trump with shit, Bannon got an 18 month slap on the wrist for an attempted coup and half the people involved in January 6 are still free. But when it’s time to pander to republicans (whose voters aren’t gonna care either way) suddenly the DOJ wants to make a big show of being impartial. \nWhat’s the point of impartiality if we’re letting people off the hook for an attempted coup? I think appointing Garland as AG is one of the worst decisions Biden has made as president.",
">\n\nThe legal experts I like to follow in the media are saying this is a bit overkill but still a fair and evenhanded way of sorting this all out. It's a big headache for Biden and the DOJ but Biden should have been more careful. Given everything we know about Biden I going to assume for the time being that it was just an error and not anything nefarious. However, this prosecutor seems to be on the up and up, so if he concludes something different then I will trust what he says.",
">\n\nAh, the key difference between the two parties: Only one trusts non-partisan institutions even if there are consequences for their own.",
">\n\nI'll admit many years ago, when I was first following politics, I got into the tribalism and would dismiss any claims of corruption against \"my side\". That's a dangerous road to go down. Never sell out your sense of right and wrong for political gain. There's no such thing as a good politician that breaks the law. \nAs I said above, I'm not overly concerned that Biden did anything seriously wrong but that's not my final assessment. If something else comes to light that shows that's not the case and he did do something seriously wrong, I can't in good conscience ignore that.",
">\n\nYep, I'm all for investigating whats likely nothing because it could be something. Unfortunately trust in our institutions has been degraded so much that even if nothing comes of it, it'll be used as a boogie man for the foreseeable future.",
">\n\nSeems more like an honest mistake than malicious like trump’s seeing as he is cooperating, but why in the hell did classified documents go missing for years and the government literally never noticed? Why bother with classified documents if the chain of custody is so laughable",
">\n\nTrump's obstruction is the whole point. Don't get distracted."
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That he himself requested be packed up and shipped...then refused to hand them over and lied about it. Not taking a hard stance yet but it appears that someone else was responsible for Biden's documents, which they quickly and proactively turned over. These stories aren't even close to the same. | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now.",
">\n\nHe's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run.",
">\n\nYes he is going to run.\nA lot of people who voted for him don't want him to run again and may not vote for him again.\nThese two things can both be true.",
">\n\nI voted for Biden.\nI don’t want him to run again.\nIf Trump is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nIf Desantis is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nRepublicans are self proclaimed party of domestic terrorists.\nAs an independent, I will treat them as such and vote blue until they get their shit together.\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nSo NARA seemed to know that there were missing documents and tried to work for months with dt's team to get them back.\nIt has obviously been awhile since biden was vp, was NARA attempting to find these documents all this time? \nI assume that there is a database of all confidential documents and that they are tracked, which is how they knew trump still had certain documents in his possession.\nDid NARA not know these docs were missing? Or they didn't care? That's what I'm curious about.",
">\n\nNARA had no idea that these documents were missing and did not request them. Had Biden's attorneys shredded them no one would ever know about this.",
">\n\nYeah, the Biden situation is more of a condemnation of our systems for tracking classified documents and making sure they don't go missing than it is a scandal for Biden. \nTrump's situation is disturbing because of the lengths he went to in order to keep the documents even after they were requested and conceal the fact that he had them. Hard to imagine a non-nefarious reason for doing that.",
">\n\nSo for the trouble, Garland appointed a Republican operative with a blank check....I wonder how that will go?",
">\n\nI know for a fact that there are still a lot of unbiased judges who aren't political operatives either way (they mostly go one way) in this country so I'm beginning to question Garland's motives or competence at this point.",
">\n\nHe was on speed dial at the Federalist Society to moderate their panels. That is not something an organization would likely hand over to someone outside their \"values\"",
">\n\nIt's certainly interesting seeing the pearl-clutching over classified documents, particularly amongst Republicans, who summarily ignored the subject when it involved DJT.",
">\n\nThey’re still rehashing the line that Trump declassified all the documents he had and that since Biden was VP he couldn’t. So trump is innocent and Biden is a criminal. And if Obama declassified any of those he was only doing it to cover Biden and is also a criminal.\nIt’s like a straight up parody over there right now.",
">\n\nThe DOJ isn't even arguing the classification status in court. From what I understand they're investigating him for being in possession of defense documents without authorization.",
">\n\nAnd now that there’s a special counsel this will be investigated and the truth will come out.\nIt won’t be satisfying for a lot of people but the truth of what happened here is important.\nAs well as what measures we can take to further prevent things like this from happening. \nBut like, the conservative goalposts keep moving. They’re just treading through them as fast as they can. A new one is that Trump has secret service protecting his documents while Biden didn’t. \nBiden still had secret service protection. And saying Trumps protected it means conspiracy. So that’s super fun.",
">\n\nI wonder if they know Secret Service protects the individual and not property. When he's not at MAL the Secret Service isn't either, they go where he goes. He has to have private security for that. It's the same reason there weren't Secret Service agents protecting Pelosi's house.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day it is what it is and if Biden is guilty he’s guilty. \nThere’s no dancing around the issues. \nBut if Biden is guilty, then Trump is guilty. It’s not one or the other here, which is what they’re saying.\nIt’s just amazing watching them bend over backwards to say how Biden belongs in prison and Trump did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNARA knew Trump still had documents and requested them for almost a year before the first batch were returned, DOJ was involved only after the first batch was returned. Shortly after that it was reported. They knew things were missing and it was kept quiet for a year. \nNARA didn't know Biden still had documents, when they were discovered and returned DOJ got involved and shortly after that it was reported. \nThere's not much difference in how the DOJ handled the two cases publicly. The only difference was that the refusal to turn over the rest of the documents was kept quiet until the Maralago search happened. If they find more, we're going to hear about each single scrap of paper Biden's lawyers voluntarily turn over. One by one, a constant trickle in the news cycle.",
">\n\nThe difference is intent, quantity, quality, lying and obstruction. \nThe similarities are they are classified docs. \nOne is robbing the bank and the other is forgetting to deposit the checks.",
">\n\nThe MAGA cult doesn't understand nuance unfortunately. In their mind, what Biden \"did\" is already worse than what Trump did.",
">\n\nIt's not about nuance. It's about their worldview. \nIn their mind, their \"team\" can do no wrong, no matter what horrible shit they pull. It's always for the \"greater good of Murica.\"\nBy contrast, in their mind the \"other team\" can do no right. Even if Biden himself single-handedly cured cancer and was lifted to the heavens by a choir of angels, they would still see some nefarious plot to destroy the country.",
">\n\nA large number of them would still choose to die of cancer out of spite. The rest would die from overdoses of gymnasium floor cleaner or whatever other pseudoscience nonsense their cult leaders are peddling at the time.",
">\n\nDifference between Republicans and Liberals: \nI, as a liberal, am all for an independent investigation into potential wrongdoing and/or negligience by Biden over the documents, and to be held accountable if required.\nRepublicans want no investigation into Trump or other Republicans for ANYTHING.\nDon't \"both sides\" this.",
">\n\nWe shouldn't allow them to make it equivalent either..",
">\n\nBingo. Investigate Biden, but don't pretend an oversight quickly remedied when it was discovered is the same as Trump hoarding secret documents like he's a fucking dragon on a pile of gold.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine all the secret documents floating around out there. I find it hard to believe that after all these years the ONLY two people in the country witj secret documents were found out. What’s missing out of millions that nobody knows about.",
">\n\nGWB has gotta be doing a once-over on his ranch right about now. But even if he found something, the DOJ would accept the return and keep it quiet. I'm curious how often this happens and we just don't hear about it because it should be embarrassing for all parties involved.",
">\n\nGiven that the last 3 presidential candidates all have had classified information in their residences, I'd say it's very often.\nAlso, this makes sense on why the case for Trump is slow rolling. They aren't going after Trump for possession of documents but for the obstruction of the investigation, which has a much higher bar to clear.",
">\n\nIt's insane how blatant this countries leaders are complicit with fascism.\nTrump had hundreds of documents, refused to work with anyone, and on top of everything, still has documents missing. It's like they're purposely dragging their feet. He's been literally referred for criminal charges by a house committee and they do nothing.\nBiden has a few documents (which he hands over willingly and works with the department) and it's time for fucking ludicrous speed.\nPathetic.",
">\n\nLudicrous speed is how you suck the wind out of the GOP. Otherwise you're battling these allegations right up through campaign season.",
">\n\nThat's another way of saying we are pandering to their tantrums.",
">\n\nAnd the alternative, leaving it and letting it fester, would also be pandering to their tantrums. There's such thing as a no-win situation, which Biden placed us in here",
">\n\nThe point is, they still haven’t charged Trump with shit, Bannon got an 18 month slap on the wrist for an attempted coup and half the people involved in January 6 are still free. But when it’s time to pander to republicans (whose voters aren’t gonna care either way) suddenly the DOJ wants to make a big show of being impartial. \nWhat’s the point of impartiality if we’re letting people off the hook for an attempted coup? I think appointing Garland as AG is one of the worst decisions Biden has made as president.",
">\n\nThe legal experts I like to follow in the media are saying this is a bit overkill but still a fair and evenhanded way of sorting this all out. It's a big headache for Biden and the DOJ but Biden should have been more careful. Given everything we know about Biden I going to assume for the time being that it was just an error and not anything nefarious. However, this prosecutor seems to be on the up and up, so if he concludes something different then I will trust what he says.",
">\n\nAh, the key difference between the two parties: Only one trusts non-partisan institutions even if there are consequences for their own.",
">\n\nI'll admit many years ago, when I was first following politics, I got into the tribalism and would dismiss any claims of corruption against \"my side\". That's a dangerous road to go down. Never sell out your sense of right and wrong for political gain. There's no such thing as a good politician that breaks the law. \nAs I said above, I'm not overly concerned that Biden did anything seriously wrong but that's not my final assessment. If something else comes to light that shows that's not the case and he did do something seriously wrong, I can't in good conscience ignore that.",
">\n\nYep, I'm all for investigating whats likely nothing because it could be something. Unfortunately trust in our institutions has been degraded so much that even if nothing comes of it, it'll be used as a boogie man for the foreseeable future.",
">\n\nSeems more like an honest mistake than malicious like trump’s seeing as he is cooperating, but why in the hell did classified documents go missing for years and the government literally never noticed? Why bother with classified documents if the chain of custody is so laughable",
">\n\nTrump's obstruction is the whole point. Don't get distracted.",
">\n\nTrumps obstruction is a part of the point. The main point was he had some of the most confidential documents in this country sitting in a resort."
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"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now.",
">\n\nHe's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run.",
">\n\nYes he is going to run.\nA lot of people who voted for him don't want him to run again and may not vote for him again.\nThese two things can both be true.",
">\n\nI voted for Biden.\nI don’t want him to run again.\nIf Trump is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nIf Desantis is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nRepublicans are self proclaimed party of domestic terrorists.\nAs an independent, I will treat them as such and vote blue until they get their shit together.\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nSo NARA seemed to know that there were missing documents and tried to work for months with dt's team to get them back.\nIt has obviously been awhile since biden was vp, was NARA attempting to find these documents all this time? \nI assume that there is a database of all confidential documents and that they are tracked, which is how they knew trump still had certain documents in his possession.\nDid NARA not know these docs were missing? Or they didn't care? That's what I'm curious about.",
">\n\nNARA had no idea that these documents were missing and did not request them. Had Biden's attorneys shredded them no one would ever know about this.",
">\n\nYeah, the Biden situation is more of a condemnation of our systems for tracking classified documents and making sure they don't go missing than it is a scandal for Biden. \nTrump's situation is disturbing because of the lengths he went to in order to keep the documents even after they were requested and conceal the fact that he had them. Hard to imagine a non-nefarious reason for doing that.",
">\n\nSo for the trouble, Garland appointed a Republican operative with a blank check....I wonder how that will go?",
">\n\nI know for a fact that there are still a lot of unbiased judges who aren't political operatives either way (they mostly go one way) in this country so I'm beginning to question Garland's motives or competence at this point.",
">\n\nHe was on speed dial at the Federalist Society to moderate their panels. That is not something an organization would likely hand over to someone outside their \"values\"",
">\n\nIt's certainly interesting seeing the pearl-clutching over classified documents, particularly amongst Republicans, who summarily ignored the subject when it involved DJT.",
">\n\nThey’re still rehashing the line that Trump declassified all the documents he had and that since Biden was VP he couldn’t. So trump is innocent and Biden is a criminal. And if Obama declassified any of those he was only doing it to cover Biden and is also a criminal.\nIt’s like a straight up parody over there right now.",
">\n\nThe DOJ isn't even arguing the classification status in court. From what I understand they're investigating him for being in possession of defense documents without authorization.",
">\n\nAnd now that there’s a special counsel this will be investigated and the truth will come out.\nIt won’t be satisfying for a lot of people but the truth of what happened here is important.\nAs well as what measures we can take to further prevent things like this from happening. \nBut like, the conservative goalposts keep moving. They’re just treading through them as fast as they can. A new one is that Trump has secret service protecting his documents while Biden didn’t. \nBiden still had secret service protection. And saying Trumps protected it means conspiracy. So that’s super fun.",
">\n\nI wonder if they know Secret Service protects the individual and not property. When he's not at MAL the Secret Service isn't either, they go where he goes. He has to have private security for that. It's the same reason there weren't Secret Service agents protecting Pelosi's house.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day it is what it is and if Biden is guilty he’s guilty. \nThere’s no dancing around the issues. \nBut if Biden is guilty, then Trump is guilty. It’s not one or the other here, which is what they’re saying.\nIt’s just amazing watching them bend over backwards to say how Biden belongs in prison and Trump did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNARA knew Trump still had documents and requested them for almost a year before the first batch were returned, DOJ was involved only after the first batch was returned. Shortly after that it was reported. They knew things were missing and it was kept quiet for a year. \nNARA didn't know Biden still had documents, when they were discovered and returned DOJ got involved and shortly after that it was reported. \nThere's not much difference in how the DOJ handled the two cases publicly. The only difference was that the refusal to turn over the rest of the documents was kept quiet until the Maralago search happened. If they find more, we're going to hear about each single scrap of paper Biden's lawyers voluntarily turn over. One by one, a constant trickle in the news cycle.",
">\n\nThe difference is intent, quantity, quality, lying and obstruction. \nThe similarities are they are classified docs. \nOne is robbing the bank and the other is forgetting to deposit the checks.",
">\n\nThe MAGA cult doesn't understand nuance unfortunately. In their mind, what Biden \"did\" is already worse than what Trump did.",
">\n\nIt's not about nuance. It's about their worldview. \nIn their mind, their \"team\" can do no wrong, no matter what horrible shit they pull. It's always for the \"greater good of Murica.\"\nBy contrast, in their mind the \"other team\" can do no right. Even if Biden himself single-handedly cured cancer and was lifted to the heavens by a choir of angels, they would still see some nefarious plot to destroy the country.",
">\n\nA large number of them would still choose to die of cancer out of spite. The rest would die from overdoses of gymnasium floor cleaner or whatever other pseudoscience nonsense their cult leaders are peddling at the time.",
">\n\nDifference between Republicans and Liberals: \nI, as a liberal, am all for an independent investigation into potential wrongdoing and/or negligience by Biden over the documents, and to be held accountable if required.\nRepublicans want no investigation into Trump or other Republicans for ANYTHING.\nDon't \"both sides\" this.",
">\n\nWe shouldn't allow them to make it equivalent either..",
">\n\nBingo. Investigate Biden, but don't pretend an oversight quickly remedied when it was discovered is the same as Trump hoarding secret documents like he's a fucking dragon on a pile of gold.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine all the secret documents floating around out there. I find it hard to believe that after all these years the ONLY two people in the country witj secret documents were found out. What’s missing out of millions that nobody knows about.",
">\n\nGWB has gotta be doing a once-over on his ranch right about now. But even if he found something, the DOJ would accept the return and keep it quiet. I'm curious how often this happens and we just don't hear about it because it should be embarrassing for all parties involved.",
">\n\nGiven that the last 3 presidential candidates all have had classified information in their residences, I'd say it's very often.\nAlso, this makes sense on why the case for Trump is slow rolling. They aren't going after Trump for possession of documents but for the obstruction of the investigation, which has a much higher bar to clear.",
">\n\nIt's insane how blatant this countries leaders are complicit with fascism.\nTrump had hundreds of documents, refused to work with anyone, and on top of everything, still has documents missing. It's like they're purposely dragging their feet. He's been literally referred for criminal charges by a house committee and they do nothing.\nBiden has a few documents (which he hands over willingly and works with the department) and it's time for fucking ludicrous speed.\nPathetic.",
">\n\nLudicrous speed is how you suck the wind out of the GOP. Otherwise you're battling these allegations right up through campaign season.",
">\n\nThat's another way of saying we are pandering to their tantrums.",
">\n\nAnd the alternative, leaving it and letting it fester, would also be pandering to their tantrums. There's such thing as a no-win situation, which Biden placed us in here",
">\n\nThe point is, they still haven’t charged Trump with shit, Bannon got an 18 month slap on the wrist for an attempted coup and half the people involved in January 6 are still free. But when it’s time to pander to republicans (whose voters aren’t gonna care either way) suddenly the DOJ wants to make a big show of being impartial. \nWhat’s the point of impartiality if we’re letting people off the hook for an attempted coup? I think appointing Garland as AG is one of the worst decisions Biden has made as president.",
">\n\nThe legal experts I like to follow in the media are saying this is a bit overkill but still a fair and evenhanded way of sorting this all out. It's a big headache for Biden and the DOJ but Biden should have been more careful. Given everything we know about Biden I going to assume for the time being that it was just an error and not anything nefarious. However, this prosecutor seems to be on the up and up, so if he concludes something different then I will trust what he says.",
">\n\nAh, the key difference between the two parties: Only one trusts non-partisan institutions even if there are consequences for their own.",
">\n\nI'll admit many years ago, when I was first following politics, I got into the tribalism and would dismiss any claims of corruption against \"my side\". That's a dangerous road to go down. Never sell out your sense of right and wrong for political gain. There's no such thing as a good politician that breaks the law. \nAs I said above, I'm not overly concerned that Biden did anything seriously wrong but that's not my final assessment. If something else comes to light that shows that's not the case and he did do something seriously wrong, I can't in good conscience ignore that.",
">\n\nYep, I'm all for investigating whats likely nothing because it could be something. Unfortunately trust in our institutions has been degraded so much that even if nothing comes of it, it'll be used as a boogie man for the foreseeable future.",
">\n\nSeems more like an honest mistake than malicious like trump’s seeing as he is cooperating, but why in the hell did classified documents go missing for years and the government literally never noticed? Why bother with classified documents if the chain of custody is so laughable",
">\n\nTrump's obstruction is the whole point. Don't get distracted.",
">\n\nTrumps obstruction is a part of the point. The main point was he had some of the most confidential documents in this country sitting in a resort.",
">\n\nThat he himself requested be packed up and shipped...then refused to hand them over and lied about it. Not taking a hard stance yet but it appears that someone else was responsible for Biden's documents, which they quickly and proactively turned over. These stories aren't even close to the same."
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"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now.",
">\n\nHe's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run.",
">\n\nYes he is going to run.\nA lot of people who voted for him don't want him to run again and may not vote for him again.\nThese two things can both be true.",
">\n\nI voted for Biden.\nI don’t want him to run again.\nIf Trump is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nIf Desantis is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nRepublicans are self proclaimed party of domestic terrorists.\nAs an independent, I will treat them as such and vote blue until they get their shit together.\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nSo NARA seemed to know that there were missing documents and tried to work for months with dt's team to get them back.\nIt has obviously been awhile since biden was vp, was NARA attempting to find these documents all this time? \nI assume that there is a database of all confidential documents and that they are tracked, which is how they knew trump still had certain documents in his possession.\nDid NARA not know these docs were missing? Or they didn't care? That's what I'm curious about.",
">\n\nNARA had no idea that these documents were missing and did not request them. Had Biden's attorneys shredded them no one would ever know about this.",
">\n\nYeah, the Biden situation is more of a condemnation of our systems for tracking classified documents and making sure they don't go missing than it is a scandal for Biden. \nTrump's situation is disturbing because of the lengths he went to in order to keep the documents even after they were requested and conceal the fact that he had them. Hard to imagine a non-nefarious reason for doing that.",
">\n\nSo for the trouble, Garland appointed a Republican operative with a blank check....I wonder how that will go?",
">\n\nI know for a fact that there are still a lot of unbiased judges who aren't political operatives either way (they mostly go one way) in this country so I'm beginning to question Garland's motives or competence at this point.",
">\n\nHe was on speed dial at the Federalist Society to moderate their panels. That is not something an organization would likely hand over to someone outside their \"values\"",
">\n\nIt's certainly interesting seeing the pearl-clutching over classified documents, particularly amongst Republicans, who summarily ignored the subject when it involved DJT.",
">\n\nThey’re still rehashing the line that Trump declassified all the documents he had and that since Biden was VP he couldn’t. So trump is innocent and Biden is a criminal. And if Obama declassified any of those he was only doing it to cover Biden and is also a criminal.\nIt’s like a straight up parody over there right now.",
">\n\nThe DOJ isn't even arguing the classification status in court. From what I understand they're investigating him for being in possession of defense documents without authorization.",
">\n\nAnd now that there’s a special counsel this will be investigated and the truth will come out.\nIt won’t be satisfying for a lot of people but the truth of what happened here is important.\nAs well as what measures we can take to further prevent things like this from happening. \nBut like, the conservative goalposts keep moving. They’re just treading through them as fast as they can. A new one is that Trump has secret service protecting his documents while Biden didn’t. \nBiden still had secret service protection. And saying Trumps protected it means conspiracy. So that’s super fun.",
">\n\nI wonder if they know Secret Service protects the individual and not property. When he's not at MAL the Secret Service isn't either, they go where he goes. He has to have private security for that. It's the same reason there weren't Secret Service agents protecting Pelosi's house.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day it is what it is and if Biden is guilty he’s guilty. \nThere’s no dancing around the issues. \nBut if Biden is guilty, then Trump is guilty. It’s not one or the other here, which is what they’re saying.\nIt’s just amazing watching them bend over backwards to say how Biden belongs in prison and Trump did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNARA knew Trump still had documents and requested them for almost a year before the first batch were returned, DOJ was involved only after the first batch was returned. Shortly after that it was reported. They knew things were missing and it was kept quiet for a year. \nNARA didn't know Biden still had documents, when they were discovered and returned DOJ got involved and shortly after that it was reported. \nThere's not much difference in how the DOJ handled the two cases publicly. The only difference was that the refusal to turn over the rest of the documents was kept quiet until the Maralago search happened. If they find more, we're going to hear about each single scrap of paper Biden's lawyers voluntarily turn over. One by one, a constant trickle in the news cycle.",
">\n\nThe difference is intent, quantity, quality, lying and obstruction. \nThe similarities are they are classified docs. \nOne is robbing the bank and the other is forgetting to deposit the checks.",
">\n\nThe MAGA cult doesn't understand nuance unfortunately. In their mind, what Biden \"did\" is already worse than what Trump did.",
">\n\nIt's not about nuance. It's about their worldview. \nIn their mind, their \"team\" can do no wrong, no matter what horrible shit they pull. It's always for the \"greater good of Murica.\"\nBy contrast, in their mind the \"other team\" can do no right. Even if Biden himself single-handedly cured cancer and was lifted to the heavens by a choir of angels, they would still see some nefarious plot to destroy the country.",
">\n\nA large number of them would still choose to die of cancer out of spite. The rest would die from overdoses of gymnasium floor cleaner or whatever other pseudoscience nonsense their cult leaders are peddling at the time.",
">\n\nDifference between Republicans and Liberals: \nI, as a liberal, am all for an independent investigation into potential wrongdoing and/or negligience by Biden over the documents, and to be held accountable if required.\nRepublicans want no investigation into Trump or other Republicans for ANYTHING.\nDon't \"both sides\" this.",
">\n\nWe shouldn't allow them to make it equivalent either..",
">\n\nBingo. Investigate Biden, but don't pretend an oversight quickly remedied when it was discovered is the same as Trump hoarding secret documents like he's a fucking dragon on a pile of gold.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine all the secret documents floating around out there. I find it hard to believe that after all these years the ONLY two people in the country witj secret documents were found out. What’s missing out of millions that nobody knows about.",
">\n\nGWB has gotta be doing a once-over on his ranch right about now. But even if he found something, the DOJ would accept the return and keep it quiet. I'm curious how often this happens and we just don't hear about it because it should be embarrassing for all parties involved.",
">\n\nGiven that the last 3 presidential candidates all have had classified information in their residences, I'd say it's very often.\nAlso, this makes sense on why the case for Trump is slow rolling. They aren't going after Trump for possession of documents but for the obstruction of the investigation, which has a much higher bar to clear.",
">\n\nIt's insane how blatant this countries leaders are complicit with fascism.\nTrump had hundreds of documents, refused to work with anyone, and on top of everything, still has documents missing. It's like they're purposely dragging their feet. He's been literally referred for criminal charges by a house committee and they do nothing.\nBiden has a few documents (which he hands over willingly and works with the department) and it's time for fucking ludicrous speed.\nPathetic.",
">\n\nLudicrous speed is how you suck the wind out of the GOP. Otherwise you're battling these allegations right up through campaign season.",
">\n\nThat's another way of saying we are pandering to their tantrums.",
">\n\nAnd the alternative, leaving it and letting it fester, would also be pandering to their tantrums. There's such thing as a no-win situation, which Biden placed us in here",
">\n\nThe point is, they still haven’t charged Trump with shit, Bannon got an 18 month slap on the wrist for an attempted coup and half the people involved in January 6 are still free. But when it’s time to pander to republicans (whose voters aren’t gonna care either way) suddenly the DOJ wants to make a big show of being impartial. \nWhat’s the point of impartiality if we’re letting people off the hook for an attempted coup? I think appointing Garland as AG is one of the worst decisions Biden has made as president.",
">\n\nThe legal experts I like to follow in the media are saying this is a bit overkill but still a fair and evenhanded way of sorting this all out. It's a big headache for Biden and the DOJ but Biden should have been more careful. Given everything we know about Biden I going to assume for the time being that it was just an error and not anything nefarious. However, this prosecutor seems to be on the up and up, so if he concludes something different then I will trust what he says.",
">\n\nAh, the key difference between the two parties: Only one trusts non-partisan institutions even if there are consequences for their own.",
">\n\nI'll admit many years ago, when I was first following politics, I got into the tribalism and would dismiss any claims of corruption against \"my side\". That's a dangerous road to go down. Never sell out your sense of right and wrong for political gain. There's no such thing as a good politician that breaks the law. \nAs I said above, I'm not overly concerned that Biden did anything seriously wrong but that's not my final assessment. If something else comes to light that shows that's not the case and he did do something seriously wrong, I can't in good conscience ignore that.",
">\n\nYep, I'm all for investigating whats likely nothing because it could be something. Unfortunately trust in our institutions has been degraded so much that even if nothing comes of it, it'll be used as a boogie man for the foreseeable future.",
">\n\nSeems more like an honest mistake than malicious like trump’s seeing as he is cooperating, but why in the hell did classified documents go missing for years and the government literally never noticed? Why bother with classified documents if the chain of custody is so laughable",
">\n\nTrump's obstruction is the whole point. Don't get distracted.",
">\n\nTrumps obstruction is a part of the point. The main point was he had some of the most confidential documents in this country sitting in a resort.",
">\n\nThat he himself requested be packed up and shipped...then refused to hand them over and lied about it. Not taking a hard stance yet but it appears that someone else was responsible for Biden's documents, which they quickly and proactively turned over. These stories aren't even close to the same.",
">\n\nWell one thing we know for sure is that no Biden Libs are going to go threaten/attack the Feds like the crazy dude did at the Cincinatti FBI after the Maralago search"
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It’s so much more dumb than that. Using a nail gun in an effort to defeat bullet resistant glass. | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now.",
">\n\nHe's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run.",
">\n\nYes he is going to run.\nA lot of people who voted for him don't want him to run again and may not vote for him again.\nThese two things can both be true.",
">\n\nI voted for Biden.\nI don’t want him to run again.\nIf Trump is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nIf Desantis is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nRepublicans are self proclaimed party of domestic terrorists.\nAs an independent, I will treat them as such and vote blue until they get their shit together.\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nSo NARA seemed to know that there were missing documents and tried to work for months with dt's team to get them back.\nIt has obviously been awhile since biden was vp, was NARA attempting to find these documents all this time? \nI assume that there is a database of all confidential documents and that they are tracked, which is how they knew trump still had certain documents in his possession.\nDid NARA not know these docs were missing? Or they didn't care? That's what I'm curious about.",
">\n\nNARA had no idea that these documents were missing and did not request them. Had Biden's attorneys shredded them no one would ever know about this.",
">\n\nYeah, the Biden situation is more of a condemnation of our systems for tracking classified documents and making sure they don't go missing than it is a scandal for Biden. \nTrump's situation is disturbing because of the lengths he went to in order to keep the documents even after they were requested and conceal the fact that he had them. Hard to imagine a non-nefarious reason for doing that.",
">\n\nSo for the trouble, Garland appointed a Republican operative with a blank check....I wonder how that will go?",
">\n\nI know for a fact that there are still a lot of unbiased judges who aren't political operatives either way (they mostly go one way) in this country so I'm beginning to question Garland's motives or competence at this point.",
">\n\nHe was on speed dial at the Federalist Society to moderate their panels. That is not something an organization would likely hand over to someone outside their \"values\"",
">\n\nIt's certainly interesting seeing the pearl-clutching over classified documents, particularly amongst Republicans, who summarily ignored the subject when it involved DJT.",
">\n\nThey’re still rehashing the line that Trump declassified all the documents he had and that since Biden was VP he couldn’t. So trump is innocent and Biden is a criminal. And if Obama declassified any of those he was only doing it to cover Biden and is also a criminal.\nIt’s like a straight up parody over there right now.",
">\n\nThe DOJ isn't even arguing the classification status in court. From what I understand they're investigating him for being in possession of defense documents without authorization.",
">\n\nAnd now that there’s a special counsel this will be investigated and the truth will come out.\nIt won’t be satisfying for a lot of people but the truth of what happened here is important.\nAs well as what measures we can take to further prevent things like this from happening. \nBut like, the conservative goalposts keep moving. They’re just treading through them as fast as they can. A new one is that Trump has secret service protecting his documents while Biden didn’t. \nBiden still had secret service protection. And saying Trumps protected it means conspiracy. So that’s super fun.",
">\n\nI wonder if they know Secret Service protects the individual and not property. When he's not at MAL the Secret Service isn't either, they go where he goes. He has to have private security for that. It's the same reason there weren't Secret Service agents protecting Pelosi's house.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day it is what it is and if Biden is guilty he’s guilty. \nThere’s no dancing around the issues. \nBut if Biden is guilty, then Trump is guilty. It’s not one or the other here, which is what they’re saying.\nIt’s just amazing watching them bend over backwards to say how Biden belongs in prison and Trump did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNARA knew Trump still had documents and requested them for almost a year before the first batch were returned, DOJ was involved only after the first batch was returned. Shortly after that it was reported. They knew things were missing and it was kept quiet for a year. \nNARA didn't know Biden still had documents, when they were discovered and returned DOJ got involved and shortly after that it was reported. \nThere's not much difference in how the DOJ handled the two cases publicly. The only difference was that the refusal to turn over the rest of the documents was kept quiet until the Maralago search happened. If they find more, we're going to hear about each single scrap of paper Biden's lawyers voluntarily turn over. One by one, a constant trickle in the news cycle.",
">\n\nThe difference is intent, quantity, quality, lying and obstruction. \nThe similarities are they are classified docs. \nOne is robbing the bank and the other is forgetting to deposit the checks.",
">\n\nThe MAGA cult doesn't understand nuance unfortunately. In their mind, what Biden \"did\" is already worse than what Trump did.",
">\n\nIt's not about nuance. It's about their worldview. \nIn their mind, their \"team\" can do no wrong, no matter what horrible shit they pull. It's always for the \"greater good of Murica.\"\nBy contrast, in their mind the \"other team\" can do no right. Even if Biden himself single-handedly cured cancer and was lifted to the heavens by a choir of angels, they would still see some nefarious plot to destroy the country.",
">\n\nA large number of them would still choose to die of cancer out of spite. The rest would die from overdoses of gymnasium floor cleaner or whatever other pseudoscience nonsense their cult leaders are peddling at the time.",
">\n\nDifference between Republicans and Liberals: \nI, as a liberal, am all for an independent investigation into potential wrongdoing and/or negligience by Biden over the documents, and to be held accountable if required.\nRepublicans want no investigation into Trump or other Republicans for ANYTHING.\nDon't \"both sides\" this.",
">\n\nWe shouldn't allow them to make it equivalent either..",
">\n\nBingo. Investigate Biden, but don't pretend an oversight quickly remedied when it was discovered is the same as Trump hoarding secret documents like he's a fucking dragon on a pile of gold.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine all the secret documents floating around out there. I find it hard to believe that after all these years the ONLY two people in the country witj secret documents were found out. What’s missing out of millions that nobody knows about.",
">\n\nGWB has gotta be doing a once-over on his ranch right about now. But even if he found something, the DOJ would accept the return and keep it quiet. I'm curious how often this happens and we just don't hear about it because it should be embarrassing for all parties involved.",
">\n\nGiven that the last 3 presidential candidates all have had classified information in their residences, I'd say it's very often.\nAlso, this makes sense on why the case for Trump is slow rolling. They aren't going after Trump for possession of documents but for the obstruction of the investigation, which has a much higher bar to clear.",
">\n\nIt's insane how blatant this countries leaders are complicit with fascism.\nTrump had hundreds of documents, refused to work with anyone, and on top of everything, still has documents missing. It's like they're purposely dragging their feet. He's been literally referred for criminal charges by a house committee and they do nothing.\nBiden has a few documents (which he hands over willingly and works with the department) and it's time for fucking ludicrous speed.\nPathetic.",
">\n\nLudicrous speed is how you suck the wind out of the GOP. Otherwise you're battling these allegations right up through campaign season.",
">\n\nThat's another way of saying we are pandering to their tantrums.",
">\n\nAnd the alternative, leaving it and letting it fester, would also be pandering to their tantrums. There's such thing as a no-win situation, which Biden placed us in here",
">\n\nThe point is, they still haven’t charged Trump with shit, Bannon got an 18 month slap on the wrist for an attempted coup and half the people involved in January 6 are still free. But when it’s time to pander to republicans (whose voters aren’t gonna care either way) suddenly the DOJ wants to make a big show of being impartial. \nWhat’s the point of impartiality if we’re letting people off the hook for an attempted coup? I think appointing Garland as AG is one of the worst decisions Biden has made as president.",
">\n\nThe legal experts I like to follow in the media are saying this is a bit overkill but still a fair and evenhanded way of sorting this all out. It's a big headache for Biden and the DOJ but Biden should have been more careful. Given everything we know about Biden I going to assume for the time being that it was just an error and not anything nefarious. However, this prosecutor seems to be on the up and up, so if he concludes something different then I will trust what he says.",
">\n\nAh, the key difference between the two parties: Only one trusts non-partisan institutions even if there are consequences for their own.",
">\n\nI'll admit many years ago, when I was first following politics, I got into the tribalism and would dismiss any claims of corruption against \"my side\". That's a dangerous road to go down. Never sell out your sense of right and wrong for political gain. There's no such thing as a good politician that breaks the law. \nAs I said above, I'm not overly concerned that Biden did anything seriously wrong but that's not my final assessment. If something else comes to light that shows that's not the case and he did do something seriously wrong, I can't in good conscience ignore that.",
">\n\nYep, I'm all for investigating whats likely nothing because it could be something. Unfortunately trust in our institutions has been degraded so much that even if nothing comes of it, it'll be used as a boogie man for the foreseeable future.",
">\n\nSeems more like an honest mistake than malicious like trump’s seeing as he is cooperating, but why in the hell did classified documents go missing for years and the government literally never noticed? Why bother with classified documents if the chain of custody is so laughable",
">\n\nTrump's obstruction is the whole point. Don't get distracted.",
">\n\nTrumps obstruction is a part of the point. The main point was he had some of the most confidential documents in this country sitting in a resort.",
">\n\nThat he himself requested be packed up and shipped...then refused to hand them over and lied about it. Not taking a hard stance yet but it appears that someone else was responsible for Biden's documents, which they quickly and proactively turned over. These stories aren't even close to the same.",
">\n\nWell one thing we know for sure is that no Biden Libs are going to go threaten/attack the Feds like the crazy dude did at the Cincinatti FBI after the Maralago search",
">\n\nImagine shooting a nail gun at the FBI and bleeding to death in a corn field for a politician, much less one who got searched because he lied about what he had. What a stupid waste."
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"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now.",
">\n\nHe's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run.",
">\n\nYes he is going to run.\nA lot of people who voted for him don't want him to run again and may not vote for him again.\nThese two things can both be true.",
">\n\nI voted for Biden.\nI don’t want him to run again.\nIf Trump is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nIf Desantis is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nRepublicans are self proclaimed party of domestic terrorists.\nAs an independent, I will treat them as such and vote blue until they get their shit together.\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nSo NARA seemed to know that there were missing documents and tried to work for months with dt's team to get them back.\nIt has obviously been awhile since biden was vp, was NARA attempting to find these documents all this time? \nI assume that there is a database of all confidential documents and that they are tracked, which is how they knew trump still had certain documents in his possession.\nDid NARA not know these docs were missing? Or they didn't care? That's what I'm curious about.",
">\n\nNARA had no idea that these documents were missing and did not request them. Had Biden's attorneys shredded them no one would ever know about this.",
">\n\nYeah, the Biden situation is more of a condemnation of our systems for tracking classified documents and making sure they don't go missing than it is a scandal for Biden. \nTrump's situation is disturbing because of the lengths he went to in order to keep the documents even after they were requested and conceal the fact that he had them. Hard to imagine a non-nefarious reason for doing that.",
">\n\nSo for the trouble, Garland appointed a Republican operative with a blank check....I wonder how that will go?",
">\n\nI know for a fact that there are still a lot of unbiased judges who aren't political operatives either way (they mostly go one way) in this country so I'm beginning to question Garland's motives or competence at this point.",
">\n\nHe was on speed dial at the Federalist Society to moderate their panels. That is not something an organization would likely hand over to someone outside their \"values\"",
">\n\nIt's certainly interesting seeing the pearl-clutching over classified documents, particularly amongst Republicans, who summarily ignored the subject when it involved DJT.",
">\n\nThey’re still rehashing the line that Trump declassified all the documents he had and that since Biden was VP he couldn’t. So trump is innocent and Biden is a criminal. And if Obama declassified any of those he was only doing it to cover Biden and is also a criminal.\nIt’s like a straight up parody over there right now.",
">\n\nThe DOJ isn't even arguing the classification status in court. From what I understand they're investigating him for being in possession of defense documents without authorization.",
">\n\nAnd now that there’s a special counsel this will be investigated and the truth will come out.\nIt won’t be satisfying for a lot of people but the truth of what happened here is important.\nAs well as what measures we can take to further prevent things like this from happening. \nBut like, the conservative goalposts keep moving. They’re just treading through them as fast as they can. A new one is that Trump has secret service protecting his documents while Biden didn’t. \nBiden still had secret service protection. And saying Trumps protected it means conspiracy. So that’s super fun.",
">\n\nI wonder if they know Secret Service protects the individual and not property. When he's not at MAL the Secret Service isn't either, they go where he goes. He has to have private security for that. It's the same reason there weren't Secret Service agents protecting Pelosi's house.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day it is what it is and if Biden is guilty he’s guilty. \nThere’s no dancing around the issues. \nBut if Biden is guilty, then Trump is guilty. It’s not one or the other here, which is what they’re saying.\nIt’s just amazing watching them bend over backwards to say how Biden belongs in prison and Trump did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNARA knew Trump still had documents and requested them for almost a year before the first batch were returned, DOJ was involved only after the first batch was returned. Shortly after that it was reported. They knew things were missing and it was kept quiet for a year. \nNARA didn't know Biden still had documents, when they were discovered and returned DOJ got involved and shortly after that it was reported. \nThere's not much difference in how the DOJ handled the two cases publicly. The only difference was that the refusal to turn over the rest of the documents was kept quiet until the Maralago search happened. If they find more, we're going to hear about each single scrap of paper Biden's lawyers voluntarily turn over. One by one, a constant trickle in the news cycle.",
">\n\nThe difference is intent, quantity, quality, lying and obstruction. \nThe similarities are they are classified docs. \nOne is robbing the bank and the other is forgetting to deposit the checks.",
">\n\nThe MAGA cult doesn't understand nuance unfortunately. In their mind, what Biden \"did\" is already worse than what Trump did.",
">\n\nIt's not about nuance. It's about their worldview. \nIn their mind, their \"team\" can do no wrong, no matter what horrible shit they pull. It's always for the \"greater good of Murica.\"\nBy contrast, in their mind the \"other team\" can do no right. Even if Biden himself single-handedly cured cancer and was lifted to the heavens by a choir of angels, they would still see some nefarious plot to destroy the country.",
">\n\nA large number of them would still choose to die of cancer out of spite. The rest would die from overdoses of gymnasium floor cleaner or whatever other pseudoscience nonsense their cult leaders are peddling at the time.",
">\n\nDifference between Republicans and Liberals: \nI, as a liberal, am all for an independent investigation into potential wrongdoing and/or negligience by Biden over the documents, and to be held accountable if required.\nRepublicans want no investigation into Trump or other Republicans for ANYTHING.\nDon't \"both sides\" this.",
">\n\nWe shouldn't allow them to make it equivalent either..",
">\n\nBingo. Investigate Biden, but don't pretend an oversight quickly remedied when it was discovered is the same as Trump hoarding secret documents like he's a fucking dragon on a pile of gold.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine all the secret documents floating around out there. I find it hard to believe that after all these years the ONLY two people in the country witj secret documents were found out. What’s missing out of millions that nobody knows about.",
">\n\nGWB has gotta be doing a once-over on his ranch right about now. But even if he found something, the DOJ would accept the return and keep it quiet. I'm curious how often this happens and we just don't hear about it because it should be embarrassing for all parties involved.",
">\n\nGiven that the last 3 presidential candidates all have had classified information in their residences, I'd say it's very often.\nAlso, this makes sense on why the case for Trump is slow rolling. They aren't going after Trump for possession of documents but for the obstruction of the investigation, which has a much higher bar to clear.",
">\n\nIt's insane how blatant this countries leaders are complicit with fascism.\nTrump had hundreds of documents, refused to work with anyone, and on top of everything, still has documents missing. It's like they're purposely dragging their feet. He's been literally referred for criminal charges by a house committee and they do nothing.\nBiden has a few documents (which he hands over willingly and works with the department) and it's time for fucking ludicrous speed.\nPathetic.",
">\n\nLudicrous speed is how you suck the wind out of the GOP. Otherwise you're battling these allegations right up through campaign season.",
">\n\nThat's another way of saying we are pandering to their tantrums.",
">\n\nAnd the alternative, leaving it and letting it fester, would also be pandering to their tantrums. There's such thing as a no-win situation, which Biden placed us in here",
">\n\nThe point is, they still haven’t charged Trump with shit, Bannon got an 18 month slap on the wrist for an attempted coup and half the people involved in January 6 are still free. But when it’s time to pander to republicans (whose voters aren’t gonna care either way) suddenly the DOJ wants to make a big show of being impartial. \nWhat’s the point of impartiality if we’re letting people off the hook for an attempted coup? I think appointing Garland as AG is one of the worst decisions Biden has made as president.",
">\n\nThe legal experts I like to follow in the media are saying this is a bit overkill but still a fair and evenhanded way of sorting this all out. It's a big headache for Biden and the DOJ but Biden should have been more careful. Given everything we know about Biden I going to assume for the time being that it was just an error and not anything nefarious. However, this prosecutor seems to be on the up and up, so if he concludes something different then I will trust what he says.",
">\n\nAh, the key difference between the two parties: Only one trusts non-partisan institutions even if there are consequences for their own.",
">\n\nI'll admit many years ago, when I was first following politics, I got into the tribalism and would dismiss any claims of corruption against \"my side\". That's a dangerous road to go down. Never sell out your sense of right and wrong for political gain. There's no such thing as a good politician that breaks the law. \nAs I said above, I'm not overly concerned that Biden did anything seriously wrong but that's not my final assessment. If something else comes to light that shows that's not the case and he did do something seriously wrong, I can't in good conscience ignore that.",
">\n\nYep, I'm all for investigating whats likely nothing because it could be something. Unfortunately trust in our institutions has been degraded so much that even if nothing comes of it, it'll be used as a boogie man for the foreseeable future.",
">\n\nSeems more like an honest mistake than malicious like trump’s seeing as he is cooperating, but why in the hell did classified documents go missing for years and the government literally never noticed? Why bother with classified documents if the chain of custody is so laughable",
">\n\nTrump's obstruction is the whole point. Don't get distracted.",
">\n\nTrumps obstruction is a part of the point. The main point was he had some of the most confidential documents in this country sitting in a resort.",
">\n\nThat he himself requested be packed up and shipped...then refused to hand them over and lied about it. Not taking a hard stance yet but it appears that someone else was responsible for Biden's documents, which they quickly and proactively turned over. These stories aren't even close to the same.",
">\n\nWell one thing we know for sure is that no Biden Libs are going to go threaten/attack the Feds like the crazy dude did at the Cincinatti FBI after the Maralago search",
">\n\nImagine shooting a nail gun at the FBI and bleeding to death in a corn field for a politician, much less one who got searched because he lied about what he had. What a stupid waste.",
">\n\nIt’s so much more dumb than that. Using a nail gun in an effort to defeat bullet resistant glass."
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"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now.",
">\n\nHe's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run.",
">\n\nYes he is going to run.\nA lot of people who voted for him don't want him to run again and may not vote for him again.\nThese two things can both be true.",
">\n\nI voted for Biden.\nI don’t want him to run again.\nIf Trump is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nIf Desantis is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nRepublicans are self proclaimed party of domestic terrorists.\nAs an independent, I will treat them as such and vote blue until they get their shit together.\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nSo NARA seemed to know that there were missing documents and tried to work for months with dt's team to get them back.\nIt has obviously been awhile since biden was vp, was NARA attempting to find these documents all this time? \nI assume that there is a database of all confidential documents and that they are tracked, which is how they knew trump still had certain documents in his possession.\nDid NARA not know these docs were missing? Or they didn't care? That's what I'm curious about.",
">\n\nNARA had no idea that these documents were missing and did not request them. Had Biden's attorneys shredded them no one would ever know about this.",
">\n\nYeah, the Biden situation is more of a condemnation of our systems for tracking classified documents and making sure they don't go missing than it is a scandal for Biden. \nTrump's situation is disturbing because of the lengths he went to in order to keep the documents even after they were requested and conceal the fact that he had them. Hard to imagine a non-nefarious reason for doing that.",
">\n\nSo for the trouble, Garland appointed a Republican operative with a blank check....I wonder how that will go?",
">\n\nI know for a fact that there are still a lot of unbiased judges who aren't political operatives either way (they mostly go one way) in this country so I'm beginning to question Garland's motives or competence at this point.",
">\n\nHe was on speed dial at the Federalist Society to moderate their panels. That is not something an organization would likely hand over to someone outside their \"values\"",
">\n\nIt's certainly interesting seeing the pearl-clutching over classified documents, particularly amongst Republicans, who summarily ignored the subject when it involved DJT.",
">\n\nThey’re still rehashing the line that Trump declassified all the documents he had and that since Biden was VP he couldn’t. So trump is innocent and Biden is a criminal. And if Obama declassified any of those he was only doing it to cover Biden and is also a criminal.\nIt’s like a straight up parody over there right now.",
">\n\nThe DOJ isn't even arguing the classification status in court. From what I understand they're investigating him for being in possession of defense documents without authorization.",
">\n\nAnd now that there’s a special counsel this will be investigated and the truth will come out.\nIt won’t be satisfying for a lot of people but the truth of what happened here is important.\nAs well as what measures we can take to further prevent things like this from happening. \nBut like, the conservative goalposts keep moving. They’re just treading through them as fast as they can. A new one is that Trump has secret service protecting his documents while Biden didn’t. \nBiden still had secret service protection. And saying Trumps protected it means conspiracy. So that’s super fun.",
">\n\nI wonder if they know Secret Service protects the individual and not property. When he's not at MAL the Secret Service isn't either, they go where he goes. He has to have private security for that. It's the same reason there weren't Secret Service agents protecting Pelosi's house.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day it is what it is and if Biden is guilty he’s guilty. \nThere’s no dancing around the issues. \nBut if Biden is guilty, then Trump is guilty. It’s not one or the other here, which is what they’re saying.\nIt’s just amazing watching them bend over backwards to say how Biden belongs in prison and Trump did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNARA knew Trump still had documents and requested them for almost a year before the first batch were returned, DOJ was involved only after the first batch was returned. Shortly after that it was reported. They knew things were missing and it was kept quiet for a year. \nNARA didn't know Biden still had documents, when they were discovered and returned DOJ got involved and shortly after that it was reported. \nThere's not much difference in how the DOJ handled the two cases publicly. The only difference was that the refusal to turn over the rest of the documents was kept quiet until the Maralago search happened. If they find more, we're going to hear about each single scrap of paper Biden's lawyers voluntarily turn over. One by one, a constant trickle in the news cycle.",
">\n\nThe difference is intent, quantity, quality, lying and obstruction. \nThe similarities are they are classified docs. \nOne is robbing the bank and the other is forgetting to deposit the checks.",
">\n\nThe MAGA cult doesn't understand nuance unfortunately. In their mind, what Biden \"did\" is already worse than what Trump did.",
">\n\nIt's not about nuance. It's about their worldview. \nIn their mind, their \"team\" can do no wrong, no matter what horrible shit they pull. It's always for the \"greater good of Murica.\"\nBy contrast, in their mind the \"other team\" can do no right. Even if Biden himself single-handedly cured cancer and was lifted to the heavens by a choir of angels, they would still see some nefarious plot to destroy the country.",
">\n\nA large number of them would still choose to die of cancer out of spite. The rest would die from overdoses of gymnasium floor cleaner or whatever other pseudoscience nonsense their cult leaders are peddling at the time.",
">\n\nDifference between Republicans and Liberals: \nI, as a liberal, am all for an independent investigation into potential wrongdoing and/or negligience by Biden over the documents, and to be held accountable if required.\nRepublicans want no investigation into Trump or other Republicans for ANYTHING.\nDon't \"both sides\" this.",
">\n\nWe shouldn't allow them to make it equivalent either..",
">\n\nBingo. Investigate Biden, but don't pretend an oversight quickly remedied when it was discovered is the same as Trump hoarding secret documents like he's a fucking dragon on a pile of gold.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine all the secret documents floating around out there. I find it hard to believe that after all these years the ONLY two people in the country witj secret documents were found out. What’s missing out of millions that nobody knows about.",
">\n\nGWB has gotta be doing a once-over on his ranch right about now. But even if he found something, the DOJ would accept the return and keep it quiet. I'm curious how often this happens and we just don't hear about it because it should be embarrassing for all parties involved.",
">\n\nGiven that the last 3 presidential candidates all have had classified information in their residences, I'd say it's very often.\nAlso, this makes sense on why the case for Trump is slow rolling. They aren't going after Trump for possession of documents but for the obstruction of the investigation, which has a much higher bar to clear.",
">\n\nIt's insane how blatant this countries leaders are complicit with fascism.\nTrump had hundreds of documents, refused to work with anyone, and on top of everything, still has documents missing. It's like they're purposely dragging their feet. He's been literally referred for criminal charges by a house committee and they do nothing.\nBiden has a few documents (which he hands over willingly and works with the department) and it's time for fucking ludicrous speed.\nPathetic.",
">\n\nLudicrous speed is how you suck the wind out of the GOP. Otherwise you're battling these allegations right up through campaign season.",
">\n\nThat's another way of saying we are pandering to their tantrums.",
">\n\nAnd the alternative, leaving it and letting it fester, would also be pandering to their tantrums. There's such thing as a no-win situation, which Biden placed us in here",
">\n\nThe point is, they still haven’t charged Trump with shit, Bannon got an 18 month slap on the wrist for an attempted coup and half the people involved in January 6 are still free. But when it’s time to pander to republicans (whose voters aren’t gonna care either way) suddenly the DOJ wants to make a big show of being impartial. \nWhat’s the point of impartiality if we’re letting people off the hook for an attempted coup? I think appointing Garland as AG is one of the worst decisions Biden has made as president.",
">\n\nThe legal experts I like to follow in the media are saying this is a bit overkill but still a fair and evenhanded way of sorting this all out. It's a big headache for Biden and the DOJ but Biden should have been more careful. Given everything we know about Biden I going to assume for the time being that it was just an error and not anything nefarious. However, this prosecutor seems to be on the up and up, so if he concludes something different then I will trust what he says.",
">\n\nAh, the key difference between the two parties: Only one trusts non-partisan institutions even if there are consequences for their own.",
">\n\nI'll admit many years ago, when I was first following politics, I got into the tribalism and would dismiss any claims of corruption against \"my side\". That's a dangerous road to go down. Never sell out your sense of right and wrong for political gain. There's no such thing as a good politician that breaks the law. \nAs I said above, I'm not overly concerned that Biden did anything seriously wrong but that's not my final assessment. If something else comes to light that shows that's not the case and he did do something seriously wrong, I can't in good conscience ignore that.",
">\n\nYep, I'm all for investigating whats likely nothing because it could be something. Unfortunately trust in our institutions has been degraded so much that even if nothing comes of it, it'll be used as a boogie man for the foreseeable future.",
">\n\nSeems more like an honest mistake than malicious like trump’s seeing as he is cooperating, but why in the hell did classified documents go missing for years and the government literally never noticed? Why bother with classified documents if the chain of custody is so laughable",
">\n\nTrump's obstruction is the whole point. Don't get distracted.",
">\n\nTrumps obstruction is a part of the point. The main point was he had some of the most confidential documents in this country sitting in a resort.",
">\n\nThat he himself requested be packed up and shipped...then refused to hand them over and lied about it. Not taking a hard stance yet but it appears that someone else was responsible for Biden's documents, which they quickly and proactively turned over. These stories aren't even close to the same.",
">\n\nWell one thing we know for sure is that no Biden Libs are going to go threaten/attack the Feds like the crazy dude did at the Cincinatti FBI after the Maralago search",
">\n\nImagine shooting a nail gun at the FBI and bleeding to death in a corn field for a politician, much less one who got searched because he lied about what he had. What a stupid waste.",
">\n\nIt’s so much more dumb than that. Using a nail gun in an effort to defeat bullet resistant glass.",
">\n\nI heard this in Benoit Blanc's voice."
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"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now.",
">\n\nHe's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run.",
">\n\nYes he is going to run.\nA lot of people who voted for him don't want him to run again and may not vote for him again.\nThese two things can both be true.",
">\n\nI voted for Biden.\nI don’t want him to run again.\nIf Trump is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nIf Desantis is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nRepublicans are self proclaimed party of domestic terrorists.\nAs an independent, I will treat them as such and vote blue until they get their shit together.\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nSo NARA seemed to know that there were missing documents and tried to work for months with dt's team to get them back.\nIt has obviously been awhile since biden was vp, was NARA attempting to find these documents all this time? \nI assume that there is a database of all confidential documents and that they are tracked, which is how they knew trump still had certain documents in his possession.\nDid NARA not know these docs were missing? Or they didn't care? That's what I'm curious about.",
">\n\nNARA had no idea that these documents were missing and did not request them. Had Biden's attorneys shredded them no one would ever know about this.",
">\n\nYeah, the Biden situation is more of a condemnation of our systems for tracking classified documents and making sure they don't go missing than it is a scandal for Biden. \nTrump's situation is disturbing because of the lengths he went to in order to keep the documents even after they were requested and conceal the fact that he had them. Hard to imagine a non-nefarious reason for doing that.",
">\n\nSo for the trouble, Garland appointed a Republican operative with a blank check....I wonder how that will go?",
">\n\nI know for a fact that there are still a lot of unbiased judges who aren't political operatives either way (they mostly go one way) in this country so I'm beginning to question Garland's motives or competence at this point.",
">\n\nHe was on speed dial at the Federalist Society to moderate their panels. That is not something an organization would likely hand over to someone outside their \"values\"",
">\n\nIt's certainly interesting seeing the pearl-clutching over classified documents, particularly amongst Republicans, who summarily ignored the subject when it involved DJT.",
">\n\nThey’re still rehashing the line that Trump declassified all the documents he had and that since Biden was VP he couldn’t. So trump is innocent and Biden is a criminal. And if Obama declassified any of those he was only doing it to cover Biden and is also a criminal.\nIt’s like a straight up parody over there right now.",
">\n\nThe DOJ isn't even arguing the classification status in court. From what I understand they're investigating him for being in possession of defense documents without authorization.",
">\n\nAnd now that there’s a special counsel this will be investigated and the truth will come out.\nIt won’t be satisfying for a lot of people but the truth of what happened here is important.\nAs well as what measures we can take to further prevent things like this from happening. \nBut like, the conservative goalposts keep moving. They’re just treading through them as fast as they can. A new one is that Trump has secret service protecting his documents while Biden didn’t. \nBiden still had secret service protection. And saying Trumps protected it means conspiracy. So that’s super fun.",
">\n\nI wonder if they know Secret Service protects the individual and not property. When he's not at MAL the Secret Service isn't either, they go where he goes. He has to have private security for that. It's the same reason there weren't Secret Service agents protecting Pelosi's house.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day it is what it is and if Biden is guilty he’s guilty. \nThere’s no dancing around the issues. \nBut if Biden is guilty, then Trump is guilty. It’s not one or the other here, which is what they’re saying.\nIt’s just amazing watching them bend over backwards to say how Biden belongs in prison and Trump did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNARA knew Trump still had documents and requested them for almost a year before the first batch were returned, DOJ was involved only after the first batch was returned. Shortly after that it was reported. They knew things were missing and it was kept quiet for a year. \nNARA didn't know Biden still had documents, when they were discovered and returned DOJ got involved and shortly after that it was reported. \nThere's not much difference in how the DOJ handled the two cases publicly. The only difference was that the refusal to turn over the rest of the documents was kept quiet until the Maralago search happened. If they find more, we're going to hear about each single scrap of paper Biden's lawyers voluntarily turn over. One by one, a constant trickle in the news cycle.",
">\n\nThe difference is intent, quantity, quality, lying and obstruction. \nThe similarities are they are classified docs. \nOne is robbing the bank and the other is forgetting to deposit the checks.",
">\n\nThe MAGA cult doesn't understand nuance unfortunately. In their mind, what Biden \"did\" is already worse than what Trump did.",
">\n\nIt's not about nuance. It's about their worldview. \nIn their mind, their \"team\" can do no wrong, no matter what horrible shit they pull. It's always for the \"greater good of Murica.\"\nBy contrast, in their mind the \"other team\" can do no right. Even if Biden himself single-handedly cured cancer and was lifted to the heavens by a choir of angels, they would still see some nefarious plot to destroy the country.",
">\n\nA large number of them would still choose to die of cancer out of spite. The rest would die from overdoses of gymnasium floor cleaner or whatever other pseudoscience nonsense their cult leaders are peddling at the time.",
">\n\nDifference between Republicans and Liberals: \nI, as a liberal, am all for an independent investigation into potential wrongdoing and/or negligience by Biden over the documents, and to be held accountable if required.\nRepublicans want no investigation into Trump or other Republicans for ANYTHING.\nDon't \"both sides\" this.",
">\n\nWe shouldn't allow them to make it equivalent either..",
">\n\nBingo. Investigate Biden, but don't pretend an oversight quickly remedied when it was discovered is the same as Trump hoarding secret documents like he's a fucking dragon on a pile of gold.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine all the secret documents floating around out there. I find it hard to believe that after all these years the ONLY two people in the country witj secret documents were found out. What’s missing out of millions that nobody knows about.",
">\n\nGWB has gotta be doing a once-over on his ranch right about now. But even if he found something, the DOJ would accept the return and keep it quiet. I'm curious how often this happens and we just don't hear about it because it should be embarrassing for all parties involved.",
">\n\nGiven that the last 3 presidential candidates all have had classified information in their residences, I'd say it's very often.\nAlso, this makes sense on why the case for Trump is slow rolling. They aren't going after Trump for possession of documents but for the obstruction of the investigation, which has a much higher bar to clear.",
">\n\nIt's insane how blatant this countries leaders are complicit with fascism.\nTrump had hundreds of documents, refused to work with anyone, and on top of everything, still has documents missing. It's like they're purposely dragging their feet. He's been literally referred for criminal charges by a house committee and they do nothing.\nBiden has a few documents (which he hands over willingly and works with the department) and it's time for fucking ludicrous speed.\nPathetic.",
">\n\nLudicrous speed is how you suck the wind out of the GOP. Otherwise you're battling these allegations right up through campaign season.",
">\n\nThat's another way of saying we are pandering to their tantrums.",
">\n\nAnd the alternative, leaving it and letting it fester, would also be pandering to their tantrums. There's such thing as a no-win situation, which Biden placed us in here",
">\n\nThe point is, they still haven’t charged Trump with shit, Bannon got an 18 month slap on the wrist for an attempted coup and half the people involved in January 6 are still free. But when it’s time to pander to republicans (whose voters aren’t gonna care either way) suddenly the DOJ wants to make a big show of being impartial. \nWhat’s the point of impartiality if we’re letting people off the hook for an attempted coup? I think appointing Garland as AG is one of the worst decisions Biden has made as president.",
">\n\nThe legal experts I like to follow in the media are saying this is a bit overkill but still a fair and evenhanded way of sorting this all out. It's a big headache for Biden and the DOJ but Biden should have been more careful. Given everything we know about Biden I going to assume for the time being that it was just an error and not anything nefarious. However, this prosecutor seems to be on the up and up, so if he concludes something different then I will trust what he says.",
">\n\nAh, the key difference between the two parties: Only one trusts non-partisan institutions even if there are consequences for their own.",
">\n\nI'll admit many years ago, when I was first following politics, I got into the tribalism and would dismiss any claims of corruption against \"my side\". That's a dangerous road to go down. Never sell out your sense of right and wrong for political gain. There's no such thing as a good politician that breaks the law. \nAs I said above, I'm not overly concerned that Biden did anything seriously wrong but that's not my final assessment. If something else comes to light that shows that's not the case and he did do something seriously wrong, I can't in good conscience ignore that.",
">\n\nYep, I'm all for investigating whats likely nothing because it could be something. Unfortunately trust in our institutions has been degraded so much that even if nothing comes of it, it'll be used as a boogie man for the foreseeable future.",
">\n\nSeems more like an honest mistake than malicious like trump’s seeing as he is cooperating, but why in the hell did classified documents go missing for years and the government literally never noticed? Why bother with classified documents if the chain of custody is so laughable",
">\n\nTrump's obstruction is the whole point. Don't get distracted.",
">\n\nTrumps obstruction is a part of the point. The main point was he had some of the most confidential documents in this country sitting in a resort.",
">\n\nThat he himself requested be packed up and shipped...then refused to hand them over and lied about it. Not taking a hard stance yet but it appears that someone else was responsible for Biden's documents, which they quickly and proactively turned over. These stories aren't even close to the same.",
">\n\nWell one thing we know for sure is that no Biden Libs are going to go threaten/attack the Feds like the crazy dude did at the Cincinatti FBI after the Maralago search",
">\n\nImagine shooting a nail gun at the FBI and bleeding to death in a corn field for a politician, much less one who got searched because he lied about what he had. What a stupid waste.",
">\n\nIt’s so much more dumb than that. Using a nail gun in an effort to defeat bullet resistant glass.",
">\n\nI heard this in Benoit Blanc's voice.",
">\n\nThe writers for 2023 are already re-using old plotlines"
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“No country was ever easier to spy on, Tom, no nation so open-hearted with its secrets, so quick to air them, confide them, or consign them too early to the junk heap of planned American obsolescence. I am too young to know whether there was a time when Americans were able to restrain their admirable passion to communicate, but I doubt it."
― John Le Carre, A Perfect Spy | [
"“We’ve been investigating since November.” \nI’m more curious about NARA dropping the ball.",
">\n\nYeah, that's my issue mainly too. They should know if documents are missing.",
">\n\n\nThey should know if documents are missing.\n\nI have a friend who works at State; he told me that the sheer volume of classified material generated by the WH makes it hard to control.\nI don't care if it's hard to control, it needs to be controlled anyway.",
">\n\n100% I've heard the same. Sheer volume. Over classification of documents. I don't care. Hire more people and develop new systems to manage it better. It needs to be under control.",
">\n\nYour realize that rhe modus operandi of the GQP is to not fund places it doesn't want to do their jobs?\nPost office? Refuse to budget them, then say they're useless so they can try to privatize or get rid of it again.\nIRS? Keep under funding them, so they cannot have the manpower necessary to investigate and litigate rich people and corporations for tax fraud/evasion.\nStop blaming the institutions being eroded, blame the assholes breaking it on purpose so they can get away with their crimes",
">\n\nBiden should just declassify the documents with his mind, problem solved.",
">\n\nMaybe the FBI planted them! And if they didn’t then he already declassified them.",
">\n\nInvestigate and if anything improper is found then prosecute. It's not rocket science. This goes for Trump or Biden. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats don't give a shit if you go after a Democrat... if they did something wrong they should be punished.",
">\n\nYou can't prosecute a sitting president. That has been clearly established. The House can--and probably will--impeach him.",
">\n\nThey were going to impeach him anyway. They said as much.",
">\n\nBut I was really looking forward to articles of impeachment being brought because Disney cast a dark skinned woman as the little mermaid, or because Joe fell off his bike. \nIt's kind of a bummer that they now have something that sounds a bit more legitimate to waste time with.",
">\n\n\na bit more legitimate to waste time with.\n\nI voted for Joe and I plan to vote for him again if he runs again. That said, if there was a significant crime here, then it isn't a waste of time. I wouldn't even want the Democratic majority to just acquit him in a Senate trial. If he did something that warrants being removed from office, then remove him from office (If somehow this was true, it would mean he wouldn't be getting my vote in 2024).",
">\n\nSomeone else needs to run in 2024, and someone needs to start explaining that to Biden now.",
">\n\nHe's going to run. People need to get over the idea that he may not run. Baring some huge legal or medical issue he's going to run.",
">\n\nYes he is going to run.\nA lot of people who voted for him don't want him to run again and may not vote for him again.\nThese two things can both be true.",
">\n\nI voted for Biden.\nI don’t want him to run again.\nIf Trump is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nIf Desantis is the nominee, I’ll vote for Biden again.\nRepublicans are self proclaimed party of domestic terrorists.\nAs an independent, I will treat them as such and vote blue until they get their shit together.\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nSo NARA seemed to know that there were missing documents and tried to work for months with dt's team to get them back.\nIt has obviously been awhile since biden was vp, was NARA attempting to find these documents all this time? \nI assume that there is a database of all confidential documents and that they are tracked, which is how they knew trump still had certain documents in his possession.\nDid NARA not know these docs were missing? Or they didn't care? That's what I'm curious about.",
">\n\nNARA had no idea that these documents were missing and did not request them. Had Biden's attorneys shredded them no one would ever know about this.",
">\n\nYeah, the Biden situation is more of a condemnation of our systems for tracking classified documents and making sure they don't go missing than it is a scandal for Biden. \nTrump's situation is disturbing because of the lengths he went to in order to keep the documents even after they were requested and conceal the fact that he had them. Hard to imagine a non-nefarious reason for doing that.",
">\n\nSo for the trouble, Garland appointed a Republican operative with a blank check....I wonder how that will go?",
">\n\nI know for a fact that there are still a lot of unbiased judges who aren't political operatives either way (they mostly go one way) in this country so I'm beginning to question Garland's motives or competence at this point.",
">\n\nHe was on speed dial at the Federalist Society to moderate their panels. That is not something an organization would likely hand over to someone outside their \"values\"",
">\n\nIt's certainly interesting seeing the pearl-clutching over classified documents, particularly amongst Republicans, who summarily ignored the subject when it involved DJT.",
">\n\nThey’re still rehashing the line that Trump declassified all the documents he had and that since Biden was VP he couldn’t. So trump is innocent and Biden is a criminal. And if Obama declassified any of those he was only doing it to cover Biden and is also a criminal.\nIt’s like a straight up parody over there right now.",
">\n\nThe DOJ isn't even arguing the classification status in court. From what I understand they're investigating him for being in possession of defense documents without authorization.",
">\n\nAnd now that there’s a special counsel this will be investigated and the truth will come out.\nIt won’t be satisfying for a lot of people but the truth of what happened here is important.\nAs well as what measures we can take to further prevent things like this from happening. \nBut like, the conservative goalposts keep moving. They’re just treading through them as fast as they can. A new one is that Trump has secret service protecting his documents while Biden didn’t. \nBiden still had secret service protection. And saying Trumps protected it means conspiracy. So that’s super fun.",
">\n\nI wonder if they know Secret Service protects the individual and not property. When he's not at MAL the Secret Service isn't either, they go where he goes. He has to have private security for that. It's the same reason there weren't Secret Service agents protecting Pelosi's house.",
">\n\nAt the end of the day it is what it is and if Biden is guilty he’s guilty. \nThere’s no dancing around the issues. \nBut if Biden is guilty, then Trump is guilty. It’s not one or the other here, which is what they’re saying.\nIt’s just amazing watching them bend over backwards to say how Biden belongs in prison and Trump did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNARA knew Trump still had documents and requested them for almost a year before the first batch were returned, DOJ was involved only after the first batch was returned. Shortly after that it was reported. They knew things were missing and it was kept quiet for a year. \nNARA didn't know Biden still had documents, when they were discovered and returned DOJ got involved and shortly after that it was reported. \nThere's not much difference in how the DOJ handled the two cases publicly. The only difference was that the refusal to turn over the rest of the documents was kept quiet until the Maralago search happened. If they find more, we're going to hear about each single scrap of paper Biden's lawyers voluntarily turn over. One by one, a constant trickle in the news cycle.",
">\n\nThe difference is intent, quantity, quality, lying and obstruction. \nThe similarities are they are classified docs. \nOne is robbing the bank and the other is forgetting to deposit the checks.",
">\n\nThe MAGA cult doesn't understand nuance unfortunately. In their mind, what Biden \"did\" is already worse than what Trump did.",
">\n\nIt's not about nuance. It's about their worldview. \nIn their mind, their \"team\" can do no wrong, no matter what horrible shit they pull. It's always for the \"greater good of Murica.\"\nBy contrast, in their mind the \"other team\" can do no right. Even if Biden himself single-handedly cured cancer and was lifted to the heavens by a choir of angels, they would still see some nefarious plot to destroy the country.",
">\n\nA large number of them would still choose to die of cancer out of spite. The rest would die from overdoses of gymnasium floor cleaner or whatever other pseudoscience nonsense their cult leaders are peddling at the time.",
">\n\nDifference between Republicans and Liberals: \nI, as a liberal, am all for an independent investigation into potential wrongdoing and/or negligience by Biden over the documents, and to be held accountable if required.\nRepublicans want no investigation into Trump or other Republicans for ANYTHING.\nDon't \"both sides\" this.",
">\n\nWe shouldn't allow them to make it equivalent either..",
">\n\nBingo. Investigate Biden, but don't pretend an oversight quickly remedied when it was discovered is the same as Trump hoarding secret documents like he's a fucking dragon on a pile of gold.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine all the secret documents floating around out there. I find it hard to believe that after all these years the ONLY two people in the country witj secret documents were found out. What’s missing out of millions that nobody knows about.",
">\n\nGWB has gotta be doing a once-over on his ranch right about now. But even if he found something, the DOJ would accept the return and keep it quiet. I'm curious how often this happens and we just don't hear about it because it should be embarrassing for all parties involved.",
">\n\nGiven that the last 3 presidential candidates all have had classified information in their residences, I'd say it's very often.\nAlso, this makes sense on why the case for Trump is slow rolling. They aren't going after Trump for possession of documents but for the obstruction of the investigation, which has a much higher bar to clear.",
">\n\nIt's insane how blatant this countries leaders are complicit with fascism.\nTrump had hundreds of documents, refused to work with anyone, and on top of everything, still has documents missing. It's like they're purposely dragging their feet. He's been literally referred for criminal charges by a house committee and they do nothing.\nBiden has a few documents (which he hands over willingly and works with the department) and it's time for fucking ludicrous speed.\nPathetic.",
">\n\nLudicrous speed is how you suck the wind out of the GOP. Otherwise you're battling these allegations right up through campaign season.",
">\n\nThat's another way of saying we are pandering to their tantrums.",
">\n\nAnd the alternative, leaving it and letting it fester, would also be pandering to their tantrums. There's such thing as a no-win situation, which Biden placed us in here",
">\n\nThe point is, they still haven’t charged Trump with shit, Bannon got an 18 month slap on the wrist for an attempted coup and half the people involved in January 6 are still free. But when it’s time to pander to republicans (whose voters aren’t gonna care either way) suddenly the DOJ wants to make a big show of being impartial. \nWhat’s the point of impartiality if we’re letting people off the hook for an attempted coup? I think appointing Garland as AG is one of the worst decisions Biden has made as president.",
">\n\nThe legal experts I like to follow in the media are saying this is a bit overkill but still a fair and evenhanded way of sorting this all out. It's a big headache for Biden and the DOJ but Biden should have been more careful. Given everything we know about Biden I going to assume for the time being that it was just an error and not anything nefarious. However, this prosecutor seems to be on the up and up, so if he concludes something different then I will trust what he says.",
">\n\nAh, the key difference between the two parties: Only one trusts non-partisan institutions even if there are consequences for their own.",
">\n\nI'll admit many years ago, when I was first following politics, I got into the tribalism and would dismiss any claims of corruption against \"my side\". That's a dangerous road to go down. Never sell out your sense of right and wrong for political gain. There's no such thing as a good politician that breaks the law. \nAs I said above, I'm not overly concerned that Biden did anything seriously wrong but that's not my final assessment. If something else comes to light that shows that's not the case and he did do something seriously wrong, I can't in good conscience ignore that.",
">\n\nYep, I'm all for investigating whats likely nothing because it could be something. Unfortunately trust in our institutions has been degraded so much that even if nothing comes of it, it'll be used as a boogie man for the foreseeable future.",
">\n\nSeems more like an honest mistake than malicious like trump’s seeing as he is cooperating, but why in the hell did classified documents go missing for years and the government literally never noticed? Why bother with classified documents if the chain of custody is so laughable",
">\n\nTrump's obstruction is the whole point. Don't get distracted.",
">\n\nTrumps obstruction is a part of the point. The main point was he had some of the most confidential documents in this country sitting in a resort.",
">\n\nThat he himself requested be packed up and shipped...then refused to hand them over and lied about it. Not taking a hard stance yet but it appears that someone else was responsible for Biden's documents, which they quickly and proactively turned over. These stories aren't even close to the same.",
">\n\nWell one thing we know for sure is that no Biden Libs are going to go threaten/attack the Feds like the crazy dude did at the Cincinatti FBI after the Maralago search",
">\n\nImagine shooting a nail gun at the FBI and bleeding to death in a corn field for a politician, much less one who got searched because he lied about what he had. What a stupid waste.",
">\n\nIt’s so much more dumb than that. Using a nail gun in an effort to defeat bullet resistant glass.",
">\n\nI heard this in Benoit Blanc's voice.",
">\n\nThe writers for 2023 are already re-using old plotlines",
">\n\nTrue, but bet you didn't see this twist coming though."
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