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[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!" ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point" ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts" ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about" ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7" ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?" ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart" ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme" ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin" ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!" ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"" ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"" ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?" ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation" ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result" ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America" ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace" ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!" ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you" ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you", ">\n\nCan the EU force the dissolution of Twitter?" ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you", ">\n\nCan the EU force the dissolution of Twitter?", ">\n\nI love it when US companies get shanked by employment laws in the free world." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you", ">\n\nCan the EU force the dissolution of Twitter?", ">\n\nI love it when US companies get shanked by employment laws in the free world.", ">\n\nHahahaha was he one of those idiots who thinks the whole world is america while not realizing other countries have vastly diff labour laws... ahhhh the GOOF" ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you", ">\n\nCan the EU force the dissolution of Twitter?", ">\n\nI love it when US companies get shanked by employment laws in the free world.", ">\n\nHahahaha was he one of those idiots who thinks the whole world is america while not realizing other countries have vastly diff labour laws... ahhhh the GOOF", ">\n\nHe also insulted advertisers that were leaving Twitter in light of Elon taking over. Not the right move. lol" ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you", ">\n\nCan the EU force the dissolution of Twitter?", ">\n\nI love it when US companies get shanked by employment laws in the free world.", ">\n\nHahahaha was he one of those idiots who thinks the whole world is america while not realizing other countries have vastly diff labour laws... ahhhh the GOOF", ">\n\nHe also insulted advertisers that were leaving Twitter in light of Elon taking over. Not the right move. lol", ">\n\nThis dude just be fumbling over everything that's wild." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you", ">\n\nCan the EU force the dissolution of Twitter?", ">\n\nI love it when US companies get shanked by employment laws in the free world.", ">\n\nHahahaha was he one of those idiots who thinks the whole world is america while not realizing other countries have vastly diff labour laws... ahhhh the GOOF", ">\n\nHe also insulted advertisers that were leaving Twitter in light of Elon taking over. Not the right move. lol", ">\n\nThis dude just be fumbling over everything that's wild.", ">\n\n“Accused.”\nHe’s been unlawfully firing people since his first day and had barely hid it" ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you", ">\n\nCan the EU force the dissolution of Twitter?", ">\n\nI love it when US companies get shanked by employment laws in the free world.", ">\n\nHahahaha was he one of those idiots who thinks the whole world is america while not realizing other countries have vastly diff labour laws... ahhhh the GOOF", ">\n\nHe also insulted advertisers that were leaving Twitter in light of Elon taking over. Not the right move. lol", ">\n\nThis dude just be fumbling over everything that's wild.", ">\n\n“Accused.”\nHe’s been unlawfully firing people since his first day and had barely hid it", ">\n\nElon once again proving he has america-brain and doesn't have a solid understanding of laws in inherently countries where Twitter offices are located." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you", ">\n\nCan the EU force the dissolution of Twitter?", ">\n\nI love it when US companies get shanked by employment laws in the free world.", ">\n\nHahahaha was he one of those idiots who thinks the whole world is america while not realizing other countries have vastly diff labour laws... ahhhh the GOOF", ">\n\nHe also insulted advertisers that were leaving Twitter in light of Elon taking over. Not the right move. lol", ">\n\nThis dude just be fumbling over everything that's wild.", ">\n\n“Accused.”\nHe’s been unlawfully firing people since his first day and had barely hid it", ">\n\nElon once again proving he has america-brain and doesn't have a solid understanding of laws in inherently countries where Twitter offices are located.", ">\n\nHear that people \"American brain\" South Africa has nothing to do with this" ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you", ">\n\nCan the EU force the dissolution of Twitter?", ">\n\nI love it when US companies get shanked by employment laws in the free world.", ">\n\nHahahaha was he one of those idiots who thinks the whole world is america while not realizing other countries have vastly diff labour laws... ahhhh the GOOF", ">\n\nHe also insulted advertisers that were leaving Twitter in light of Elon taking over. Not the right move. lol", ">\n\nThis dude just be fumbling over everything that's wild.", ">\n\n“Accused.”\nHe’s been unlawfully firing people since his first day and had barely hid it", ">\n\nElon once again proving he has america-brain and doesn't have a solid understanding of laws in inherently countries where Twitter offices are located.", ">\n\nHear that people \"American brain\" South Africa has nothing to do with this", ">\n\nAs far as I'm concerned elon has basically self-revoked his South African heritage and has fully embraced right wing north American conservatism." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you", ">\n\nCan the EU force the dissolution of Twitter?", ">\n\nI love it when US companies get shanked by employment laws in the free world.", ">\n\nHahahaha was he one of those idiots who thinks the whole world is america while not realizing other countries have vastly diff labour laws... ahhhh the GOOF", ">\n\nHe also insulted advertisers that were leaving Twitter in light of Elon taking over. Not the right move. lol", ">\n\nThis dude just be fumbling over everything that's wild.", ">\n\n“Accused.”\nHe’s been unlawfully firing people since his first day and had barely hid it", ">\n\nElon once again proving he has america-brain and doesn't have a solid understanding of laws in inherently countries where Twitter offices are located.", ">\n\nHear that people \"American brain\" South Africa has nothing to do with this", ">\n\nAs far as I'm concerned elon has basically self-revoked his South African heritage and has fully embraced right wing north American conservatism.", ">\n\nSo you're saying this has nothing to do with his parents owning an apartheid-era emerald mine?" ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you", ">\n\nCan the EU force the dissolution of Twitter?", ">\n\nI love it when US companies get shanked by employment laws in the free world.", ">\n\nHahahaha was he one of those idiots who thinks the whole world is america while not realizing other countries have vastly diff labour laws... ahhhh the GOOF", ">\n\nHe also insulted advertisers that were leaving Twitter in light of Elon taking over. Not the right move. lol", ">\n\nThis dude just be fumbling over everything that's wild.", ">\n\n“Accused.”\nHe’s been unlawfully firing people since his first day and had barely hid it", ">\n\nElon once again proving he has america-brain and doesn't have a solid understanding of laws in inherently countries where Twitter offices are located.", ">\n\nHear that people \"American brain\" South Africa has nothing to do with this", ">\n\nAs far as I'm concerned elon has basically self-revoked his South African heritage and has fully embraced right wing north American conservatism.", ">\n\nSo you're saying this has nothing to do with his parents owning an apartheid-era emerald mine?", ">\n\nThe fact that he comes from wealth has lead him to this point- that his parents owned an emerald mine specifically might not be a factor. He could have come from any kind of wealth and still ended at this point because of the fact that he's an idiot." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you", ">\n\nCan the EU force the dissolution of Twitter?", ">\n\nI love it when US companies get shanked by employment laws in the free world.", ">\n\nHahahaha was he one of those idiots who thinks the whole world is america while not realizing other countries have vastly diff labour laws... ahhhh the GOOF", ">\n\nHe also insulted advertisers that were leaving Twitter in light of Elon taking over. Not the right move. lol", ">\n\nThis dude just be fumbling over everything that's wild.", ">\n\n“Accused.”\nHe’s been unlawfully firing people since his first day and had barely hid it", ">\n\nElon once again proving he has america-brain and doesn't have a solid understanding of laws in inherently countries where Twitter offices are located.", ">\n\nHear that people \"American brain\" South Africa has nothing to do with this", ">\n\nAs far as I'm concerned elon has basically self-revoked his South African heritage and has fully embraced right wing north American conservatism.", ">\n\nSo you're saying this has nothing to do with his parents owning an apartheid-era emerald mine?", ">\n\nThe fact that he comes from wealth has lead him to this point- that his parents owned an emerald mine specifically might not be a factor. He could have come from any kind of wealth and still ended at this point because of the fact that he's an idiot.", ">\n\nGive it another year or two of the tories stripping away workers rights and he’ll be good to go" ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you", ">\n\nCan the EU force the dissolution of Twitter?", ">\n\nI love it when US companies get shanked by employment laws in the free world.", ">\n\nHahahaha was he one of those idiots who thinks the whole world is america while not realizing other countries have vastly diff labour laws... ahhhh the GOOF", ">\n\nHe also insulted advertisers that were leaving Twitter in light of Elon taking over. Not the right move. lol", ">\n\nThis dude just be fumbling over everything that's wild.", ">\n\n“Accused.”\nHe’s been unlawfully firing people since his first day and had barely hid it", ">\n\nElon once again proving he has america-brain and doesn't have a solid understanding of laws in inherently countries where Twitter offices are located.", ">\n\nHear that people \"American brain\" South Africa has nothing to do with this", ">\n\nAs far as I'm concerned elon has basically self-revoked his South African heritage and has fully embraced right wing north American conservatism.", ">\n\nSo you're saying this has nothing to do with his parents owning an apartheid-era emerald mine?", ">\n\nThe fact that he comes from wealth has lead him to this point- that his parents owned an emerald mine specifically might not be a factor. He could have come from any kind of wealth and still ended at this point because of the fact that he's an idiot.", ">\n\nGive it another year or two of the tories stripping away workers rights and he’ll be good to go", ">\n\nMaybe firing the legal people because they weren't just yes men who told you what you wanted to hear wasn't a good idea after all." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you", ">\n\nCan the EU force the dissolution of Twitter?", ">\n\nI love it when US companies get shanked by employment laws in the free world.", ">\n\nHahahaha was he one of those idiots who thinks the whole world is america while not realizing other countries have vastly diff labour laws... ahhhh the GOOF", ">\n\nHe also insulted advertisers that were leaving Twitter in light of Elon taking over. Not the right move. lol", ">\n\nThis dude just be fumbling over everything that's wild.", ">\n\n“Accused.”\nHe’s been unlawfully firing people since his first day and had barely hid it", ">\n\nElon once again proving he has america-brain and doesn't have a solid understanding of laws in inherently countries where Twitter offices are located.", ">\n\nHear that people \"American brain\" South Africa has nothing to do with this", ">\n\nAs far as I'm concerned elon has basically self-revoked his South African heritage and has fully embraced right wing north American conservatism.", ">\n\nSo you're saying this has nothing to do with his parents owning an apartheid-era emerald mine?", ">\n\nThe fact that he comes from wealth has lead him to this point- that his parents owned an emerald mine specifically might not be a factor. He could have come from any kind of wealth and still ended at this point because of the fact that he's an idiot.", ">\n\nGive it another year or two of the tories stripping away workers rights and he’ll be good to go", ">\n\nMaybe firing the legal people because they weren't just yes men who told you what you wanted to hear wasn't a good idea after all.", ">\n\nUhg. I hate it when our best potential for a Bond villain turns out to be a rude spoiled brat." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you", ">\n\nCan the EU force the dissolution of Twitter?", ">\n\nI love it when US companies get shanked by employment laws in the free world.", ">\n\nHahahaha was he one of those idiots who thinks the whole world is america while not realizing other countries have vastly diff labour laws... ahhhh the GOOF", ">\n\nHe also insulted advertisers that were leaving Twitter in light of Elon taking over. Not the right move. lol", ">\n\nThis dude just be fumbling over everything that's wild.", ">\n\n“Accused.”\nHe’s been unlawfully firing people since his first day and had barely hid it", ">\n\nElon once again proving he has america-brain and doesn't have a solid understanding of laws in inherently countries where Twitter offices are located.", ">\n\nHear that people \"American brain\" South Africa has nothing to do with this", ">\n\nAs far as I'm concerned elon has basically self-revoked his South African heritage and has fully embraced right wing north American conservatism.", ">\n\nSo you're saying this has nothing to do with his parents owning an apartheid-era emerald mine?", ">\n\nThe fact that he comes from wealth has lead him to this point- that his parents owned an emerald mine specifically might not be a factor. He could have come from any kind of wealth and still ended at this point because of the fact that he's an idiot.", ">\n\nGive it another year or two of the tories stripping away workers rights and he’ll be good to go", ">\n\nMaybe firing the legal people because they weren't just yes men who told you what you wanted to hear wasn't a good idea after all.", ">\n\nUhg. I hate it when our best potential for a Bond villain turns out to be a rude spoiled brat.", ">\n\nThis is not news. Let me know if Elon Musk’s Twitter is ever accused of doing something lawful. My notifications will be on" ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you", ">\n\nCan the EU force the dissolution of Twitter?", ">\n\nI love it when US companies get shanked by employment laws in the free world.", ">\n\nHahahaha was he one of those idiots who thinks the whole world is america while not realizing other countries have vastly diff labour laws... ahhhh the GOOF", ">\n\nHe also insulted advertisers that were leaving Twitter in light of Elon taking over. Not the right move. lol", ">\n\nThis dude just be fumbling over everything that's wild.", ">\n\n“Accused.”\nHe’s been unlawfully firing people since his first day and had barely hid it", ">\n\nElon once again proving he has america-brain and doesn't have a solid understanding of laws in inherently countries where Twitter offices are located.", ">\n\nHear that people \"American brain\" South Africa has nothing to do with this", ">\n\nAs far as I'm concerned elon has basically self-revoked his South African heritage and has fully embraced right wing north American conservatism.", ">\n\nSo you're saying this has nothing to do with his parents owning an apartheid-era emerald mine?", ">\n\nThe fact that he comes from wealth has lead him to this point- that his parents owned an emerald mine specifically might not be a factor. He could have come from any kind of wealth and still ended at this point because of the fact that he's an idiot.", ">\n\nGive it another year or two of the tories stripping away workers rights and he’ll be good to go", ">\n\nMaybe firing the legal people because they weren't just yes men who told you what you wanted to hear wasn't a good idea after all.", ">\n\nUhg. I hate it when our best potential for a Bond villain turns out to be a rude spoiled brat.", ">\n\nThis is not news. Let me know if Elon Musk’s Twitter is ever accused of doing something lawful. My notifications will be on", ">\n\nYawn... company was losing money = bye bye" ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you", ">\n\nCan the EU force the dissolution of Twitter?", ">\n\nI love it when US companies get shanked by employment laws in the free world.", ">\n\nHahahaha was he one of those idiots who thinks the whole world is america while not realizing other countries have vastly diff labour laws... ahhhh the GOOF", ">\n\nHe also insulted advertisers that were leaving Twitter in light of Elon taking over. Not the right move. lol", ">\n\nThis dude just be fumbling over everything that's wild.", ">\n\n“Accused.”\nHe’s been unlawfully firing people since his first day and had barely hid it", ">\n\nElon once again proving he has america-brain and doesn't have a solid understanding of laws in inherently countries where Twitter offices are located.", ">\n\nHear that people \"American brain\" South Africa has nothing to do with this", ">\n\nAs far as I'm concerned elon has basically self-revoked his South African heritage and has fully embraced right wing north American conservatism.", ">\n\nSo you're saying this has nothing to do with his parents owning an apartheid-era emerald mine?", ">\n\nThe fact that he comes from wealth has lead him to this point- that his parents owned an emerald mine specifically might not be a factor. He could have come from any kind of wealth and still ended at this point because of the fact that he's an idiot.", ">\n\nGive it another year or two of the tories stripping away workers rights and he’ll be good to go", ">\n\nMaybe firing the legal people because they weren't just yes men who told you what you wanted to hear wasn't a good idea after all.", ">\n\nUhg. I hate it when our best potential for a Bond villain turns out to be a rude spoiled brat.", ">\n\nThis is not news. Let me know if Elon Musk’s Twitter is ever accused of doing something lawful. My notifications will be on", ">\n\nYawn... company was losing money = bye bye", ">\n\nNot too bright on Musk’s end (treating all countries employment standards as the same) but I’d like to ask: \nWhat happened to “private companies can do what they want”? I distinctly remember hearing this frequently over the past 10 years in North America. Now, it’s an issue? (Specifically speaking to Musk firing in NA. I understand EU is a whole ‘nother ball game)" ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you", ">\n\nCan the EU force the dissolution of Twitter?", ">\n\nI love it when US companies get shanked by employment laws in the free world.", ">\n\nHahahaha was he one of those idiots who thinks the whole world is america while not realizing other countries have vastly diff labour laws... ahhhh the GOOF", ">\n\nHe also insulted advertisers that were leaving Twitter in light of Elon taking over. Not the right move. lol", ">\n\nThis dude just be fumbling over everything that's wild.", ">\n\n“Accused.”\nHe’s been unlawfully firing people since his first day and had barely hid it", ">\n\nElon once again proving he has america-brain and doesn't have a solid understanding of laws in inherently countries where Twitter offices are located.", ">\n\nHear that people \"American brain\" South Africa has nothing to do with this", ">\n\nAs far as I'm concerned elon has basically self-revoked his South African heritage and has fully embraced right wing north American conservatism.", ">\n\nSo you're saying this has nothing to do with his parents owning an apartheid-era emerald mine?", ">\n\nThe fact that he comes from wealth has lead him to this point- that his parents owned an emerald mine specifically might not be a factor. He could have come from any kind of wealth and still ended at this point because of the fact that he's an idiot.", ">\n\nGive it another year or two of the tories stripping away workers rights and he’ll be good to go", ">\n\nMaybe firing the legal people because they weren't just yes men who told you what you wanted to hear wasn't a good idea after all.", ">\n\nUhg. I hate it when our best potential for a Bond villain turns out to be a rude spoiled brat.", ">\n\nThis is not news. Let me know if Elon Musk’s Twitter is ever accused of doing something lawful. My notifications will be on", ">\n\nYawn... company was losing money = bye bye", ">\n\nNot too bright on Musk’s end (treating all countries employment standards as the same) but I’d like to ask: \nWhat happened to “private companies can do what they want”? I distinctly remember hearing this frequently over the past 10 years in North America. Now, it’s an issue? (Specifically speaking to Musk firing in NA. I understand EU is a whole ‘nother ball game)", ">\n\nTwitter simply doesn’t have the revenue to service it’s debt and meet all of the financial obligations for payroll and severance (because Musk saddled the company with 100million/month in debt servicing obligations.) Their strategy is to postpone paying as much as they can until they are either able to increase revenue or they go bankrupt.\nIt will end in bankruptcy. He’s grinding Twitter into a hellscape. The character of the content has already changed dramatically and the only people who advertise are basically late night infomercial types. Yesterday I saw an ad for - I swear to god - “miracle gutter repair tape.”\nThe main asset Twitter had was the userbase with the highest socioeconomic status of all social media companies. That is now changing as former users spend less time on the site and premium brands are no longer interested in being associated with it. Given the continued devolution of the content I don’t expect them to return. It turns out the liberals he seems to hate so much are also those with the highest level of education and income. \nBankruptcy is on the horizon. I mean they aren’t even paying rent in their office space. So yea, that’s not a great sign." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you", ">\n\nCan the EU force the dissolution of Twitter?", ">\n\nI love it when US companies get shanked by employment laws in the free world.", ">\n\nHahahaha was he one of those idiots who thinks the whole world is america while not realizing other countries have vastly diff labour laws... ahhhh the GOOF", ">\n\nHe also insulted advertisers that were leaving Twitter in light of Elon taking over. Not the right move. lol", ">\n\nThis dude just be fumbling over everything that's wild.", ">\n\n“Accused.”\nHe’s been unlawfully firing people since his first day and had barely hid it", ">\n\nElon once again proving he has america-brain and doesn't have a solid understanding of laws in inherently countries where Twitter offices are located.", ">\n\nHear that people \"American brain\" South Africa has nothing to do with this", ">\n\nAs far as I'm concerned elon has basically self-revoked his South African heritage and has fully embraced right wing north American conservatism.", ">\n\nSo you're saying this has nothing to do with his parents owning an apartheid-era emerald mine?", ">\n\nThe fact that he comes from wealth has lead him to this point- that his parents owned an emerald mine specifically might not be a factor. He could have come from any kind of wealth and still ended at this point because of the fact that he's an idiot.", ">\n\nGive it another year or two of the tories stripping away workers rights and he’ll be good to go", ">\n\nMaybe firing the legal people because they weren't just yes men who told you what you wanted to hear wasn't a good idea after all.", ">\n\nUhg. I hate it when our best potential for a Bond villain turns out to be a rude spoiled brat.", ">\n\nThis is not news. Let me know if Elon Musk’s Twitter is ever accused of doing something lawful. My notifications will be on", ">\n\nYawn... company was losing money = bye bye", ">\n\nNot too bright on Musk’s end (treating all countries employment standards as the same) but I’d like to ask: \nWhat happened to “private companies can do what they want”? I distinctly remember hearing this frequently over the past 10 years in North America. Now, it’s an issue? (Specifically speaking to Musk firing in NA. I understand EU is a whole ‘nother ball game)", ">\n\nTwitter simply doesn’t have the revenue to service it’s debt and meet all of the financial obligations for payroll and severance (because Musk saddled the company with 100million/month in debt servicing obligations.) Their strategy is to postpone paying as much as they can until they are either able to increase revenue or they go bankrupt.\nIt will end in bankruptcy. He’s grinding Twitter into a hellscape. The character of the content has already changed dramatically and the only people who advertise are basically late night infomercial types. Yesterday I saw an ad for - I swear to god - “miracle gutter repair tape.”\nThe main asset Twitter had was the userbase with the highest socioeconomic status of all social media companies. That is now changing as former users spend less time on the site and premium brands are no longer interested in being associated with it. Given the continued devolution of the content I don’t expect them to return. It turns out the liberals he seems to hate so much are also those with the highest level of education and income. \nBankruptcy is on the horizon. I mean they aren’t even paying rent in their office space. So yea, that’s not a great sign.", ">\n\nUgh we really need better worker protections in the US. Companies can do anything they want to US employees but other countries seem to have better protections. Sad." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you", ">\n\nCan the EU force the dissolution of Twitter?", ">\n\nI love it when US companies get shanked by employment laws in the free world.", ">\n\nHahahaha was he one of those idiots who thinks the whole world is america while not realizing other countries have vastly diff labour laws... ahhhh the GOOF", ">\n\nHe also insulted advertisers that were leaving Twitter in light of Elon taking over. Not the right move. lol", ">\n\nThis dude just be fumbling over everything that's wild.", ">\n\n“Accused.”\nHe’s been unlawfully firing people since his first day and had barely hid it", ">\n\nElon once again proving he has america-brain and doesn't have a solid understanding of laws in inherently countries where Twitter offices are located.", ">\n\nHear that people \"American brain\" South Africa has nothing to do with this", ">\n\nAs far as I'm concerned elon has basically self-revoked his South African heritage and has fully embraced right wing north American conservatism.", ">\n\nSo you're saying this has nothing to do with his parents owning an apartheid-era emerald mine?", ">\n\nThe fact that he comes from wealth has lead him to this point- that his parents owned an emerald mine specifically might not be a factor. He could have come from any kind of wealth and still ended at this point because of the fact that he's an idiot.", ">\n\nGive it another year or two of the tories stripping away workers rights and he’ll be good to go", ">\n\nMaybe firing the legal people because they weren't just yes men who told you what you wanted to hear wasn't a good idea after all.", ">\n\nUhg. I hate it when our best potential for a Bond villain turns out to be a rude spoiled brat.", ">\n\nThis is not news. Let me know if Elon Musk’s Twitter is ever accused of doing something lawful. My notifications will be on", ">\n\nYawn... company was losing money = bye bye", ">\n\nNot too bright on Musk’s end (treating all countries employment standards as the same) but I’d like to ask: \nWhat happened to “private companies can do what they want”? I distinctly remember hearing this frequently over the past 10 years in North America. Now, it’s an issue? (Specifically speaking to Musk firing in NA. I understand EU is a whole ‘nother ball game)", ">\n\nTwitter simply doesn’t have the revenue to service it’s debt and meet all of the financial obligations for payroll and severance (because Musk saddled the company with 100million/month in debt servicing obligations.) Their strategy is to postpone paying as much as they can until they are either able to increase revenue or they go bankrupt.\nIt will end in bankruptcy. He’s grinding Twitter into a hellscape. The character of the content has already changed dramatically and the only people who advertise are basically late night infomercial types. Yesterday I saw an ad for - I swear to god - “miracle gutter repair tape.”\nThe main asset Twitter had was the userbase with the highest socioeconomic status of all social media companies. That is now changing as former users spend less time on the site and premium brands are no longer interested in being associated with it. Given the continued devolution of the content I don’t expect them to return. It turns out the liberals he seems to hate so much are also those with the highest level of education and income. \nBankruptcy is on the horizon. I mean they aren’t even paying rent in their office space. So yea, that’s not a great sign.", ">\n\nUgh we really need better worker protections in the US. Companies can do anything they want to US employees but other countries seem to have better protections. Sad.", ">\n\nI wish we protected our employees here like the do in Europe." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you", ">\n\nCan the EU force the dissolution of Twitter?", ">\n\nI love it when US companies get shanked by employment laws in the free world.", ">\n\nHahahaha was he one of those idiots who thinks the whole world is america while not realizing other countries have vastly diff labour laws... ahhhh the GOOF", ">\n\nHe also insulted advertisers that were leaving Twitter in light of Elon taking over. Not the right move. lol", ">\n\nThis dude just be fumbling over everything that's wild.", ">\n\n“Accused.”\nHe’s been unlawfully firing people since his first day and had barely hid it", ">\n\nElon once again proving he has america-brain and doesn't have a solid understanding of laws in inherently countries where Twitter offices are located.", ">\n\nHear that people \"American brain\" South Africa has nothing to do with this", ">\n\nAs far as I'm concerned elon has basically self-revoked his South African heritage and has fully embraced right wing north American conservatism.", ">\n\nSo you're saying this has nothing to do with his parents owning an apartheid-era emerald mine?", ">\n\nThe fact that he comes from wealth has lead him to this point- that his parents owned an emerald mine specifically might not be a factor. He could have come from any kind of wealth and still ended at this point because of the fact that he's an idiot.", ">\n\nGive it another year or two of the tories stripping away workers rights and he’ll be good to go", ">\n\nMaybe firing the legal people because they weren't just yes men who told you what you wanted to hear wasn't a good idea after all.", ">\n\nUhg. I hate it when our best potential for a Bond villain turns out to be a rude spoiled brat.", ">\n\nThis is not news. Let me know if Elon Musk’s Twitter is ever accused of doing something lawful. My notifications will be on", ">\n\nYawn... company was losing money = bye bye", ">\n\nNot too bright on Musk’s end (treating all countries employment standards as the same) but I’d like to ask: \nWhat happened to “private companies can do what they want”? I distinctly remember hearing this frequently over the past 10 years in North America. Now, it’s an issue? (Specifically speaking to Musk firing in NA. I understand EU is a whole ‘nother ball game)", ">\n\nTwitter simply doesn’t have the revenue to service it’s debt and meet all of the financial obligations for payroll and severance (because Musk saddled the company with 100million/month in debt servicing obligations.) Their strategy is to postpone paying as much as they can until they are either able to increase revenue or they go bankrupt.\nIt will end in bankruptcy. He’s grinding Twitter into a hellscape. The character of the content has already changed dramatically and the only people who advertise are basically late night infomercial types. Yesterday I saw an ad for - I swear to god - “miracle gutter repair tape.”\nThe main asset Twitter had was the userbase with the highest socioeconomic status of all social media companies. That is now changing as former users spend less time on the site and premium brands are no longer interested in being associated with it. Given the continued devolution of the content I don’t expect them to return. It turns out the liberals he seems to hate so much are also those with the highest level of education and income. \nBankruptcy is on the horizon. I mean they aren’t even paying rent in their office space. So yea, that’s not a great sign.", ">\n\nUgh we really need better worker protections in the US. Companies can do anything they want to US employees but other countries seem to have better protections. Sad.", ">\n\nI wish we protected our employees here like the do in Europe.", ">\n\nNothing surprising here. Elon's doing so many firings that he does not care if he is sued." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you", ">\n\nCan the EU force the dissolution of Twitter?", ">\n\nI love it when US companies get shanked by employment laws in the free world.", ">\n\nHahahaha was he one of those idiots who thinks the whole world is america while not realizing other countries have vastly diff labour laws... ahhhh the GOOF", ">\n\nHe also insulted advertisers that were leaving Twitter in light of Elon taking over. Not the right move. lol", ">\n\nThis dude just be fumbling over everything that's wild.", ">\n\n“Accused.”\nHe’s been unlawfully firing people since his first day and had barely hid it", ">\n\nElon once again proving he has america-brain and doesn't have a solid understanding of laws in inherently countries where Twitter offices are located.", ">\n\nHear that people \"American brain\" South Africa has nothing to do with this", ">\n\nAs far as I'm concerned elon has basically self-revoked his South African heritage and has fully embraced right wing north American conservatism.", ">\n\nSo you're saying this has nothing to do with his parents owning an apartheid-era emerald mine?", ">\n\nThe fact that he comes from wealth has lead him to this point- that his parents owned an emerald mine specifically might not be a factor. He could have come from any kind of wealth and still ended at this point because of the fact that he's an idiot.", ">\n\nGive it another year or two of the tories stripping away workers rights and he’ll be good to go", ">\n\nMaybe firing the legal people because they weren't just yes men who told you what you wanted to hear wasn't a good idea after all.", ">\n\nUhg. I hate it when our best potential for a Bond villain turns out to be a rude spoiled brat.", ">\n\nThis is not news. Let me know if Elon Musk’s Twitter is ever accused of doing something lawful. My notifications will be on", ">\n\nYawn... company was losing money = bye bye", ">\n\nNot too bright on Musk’s end (treating all countries employment standards as the same) but I’d like to ask: \nWhat happened to “private companies can do what they want”? I distinctly remember hearing this frequently over the past 10 years in North America. Now, it’s an issue? (Specifically speaking to Musk firing in NA. I understand EU is a whole ‘nother ball game)", ">\n\nTwitter simply doesn’t have the revenue to service it’s debt and meet all of the financial obligations for payroll and severance (because Musk saddled the company with 100million/month in debt servicing obligations.) Their strategy is to postpone paying as much as they can until they are either able to increase revenue or they go bankrupt.\nIt will end in bankruptcy. He’s grinding Twitter into a hellscape. The character of the content has already changed dramatically and the only people who advertise are basically late night infomercial types. Yesterday I saw an ad for - I swear to god - “miracle gutter repair tape.”\nThe main asset Twitter had was the userbase with the highest socioeconomic status of all social media companies. That is now changing as former users spend less time on the site and premium brands are no longer interested in being associated with it. Given the continued devolution of the content I don’t expect them to return. It turns out the liberals he seems to hate so much are also those with the highest level of education and income. \nBankruptcy is on the horizon. I mean they aren’t even paying rent in their office space. So yea, that’s not a great sign.", ">\n\nUgh we really need better worker protections in the US. Companies can do anything they want to US employees but other countries seem to have better protections. Sad.", ">\n\nI wish we protected our employees here like the do in Europe.", ">\n\nNothing surprising here. Elon's doing so many firings that he does not care if he is sued.", ">\n\nThis isn't news, this is common knowledge." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you", ">\n\nCan the EU force the dissolution of Twitter?", ">\n\nI love it when US companies get shanked by employment laws in the free world.", ">\n\nHahahaha was he one of those idiots who thinks the whole world is america while not realizing other countries have vastly diff labour laws... ahhhh the GOOF", ">\n\nHe also insulted advertisers that were leaving Twitter in light of Elon taking over. Not the right move. lol", ">\n\nThis dude just be fumbling over everything that's wild.", ">\n\n“Accused.”\nHe’s been unlawfully firing people since his first day and had barely hid it", ">\n\nElon once again proving he has america-brain and doesn't have a solid understanding of laws in inherently countries where Twitter offices are located.", ">\n\nHear that people \"American brain\" South Africa has nothing to do with this", ">\n\nAs far as I'm concerned elon has basically self-revoked his South African heritage and has fully embraced right wing north American conservatism.", ">\n\nSo you're saying this has nothing to do with his parents owning an apartheid-era emerald mine?", ">\n\nThe fact that he comes from wealth has lead him to this point- that his parents owned an emerald mine specifically might not be a factor. He could have come from any kind of wealth and still ended at this point because of the fact that he's an idiot.", ">\n\nGive it another year or two of the tories stripping away workers rights and he’ll be good to go", ">\n\nMaybe firing the legal people because they weren't just yes men who told you what you wanted to hear wasn't a good idea after all.", ">\n\nUhg. I hate it when our best potential for a Bond villain turns out to be a rude spoiled brat.", ">\n\nThis is not news. Let me know if Elon Musk’s Twitter is ever accused of doing something lawful. My notifications will be on", ">\n\nYawn... company was losing money = bye bye", ">\n\nNot too bright on Musk’s end (treating all countries employment standards as the same) but I’d like to ask: \nWhat happened to “private companies can do what they want”? I distinctly remember hearing this frequently over the past 10 years in North America. Now, it’s an issue? (Specifically speaking to Musk firing in NA. I understand EU is a whole ‘nother ball game)", ">\n\nTwitter simply doesn’t have the revenue to service it’s debt and meet all of the financial obligations for payroll and severance (because Musk saddled the company with 100million/month in debt servicing obligations.) Their strategy is to postpone paying as much as they can until they are either able to increase revenue or they go bankrupt.\nIt will end in bankruptcy. He’s grinding Twitter into a hellscape. The character of the content has already changed dramatically and the only people who advertise are basically late night infomercial types. Yesterday I saw an ad for - I swear to god - “miracle gutter repair tape.”\nThe main asset Twitter had was the userbase with the highest socioeconomic status of all social media companies. That is now changing as former users spend less time on the site and premium brands are no longer interested in being associated with it. Given the continued devolution of the content I don’t expect them to return. It turns out the liberals he seems to hate so much are also those with the highest level of education and income. \nBankruptcy is on the horizon. I mean they aren’t even paying rent in their office space. So yea, that’s not a great sign.", ">\n\nUgh we really need better worker protections in the US. Companies can do anything they want to US employees but other countries seem to have better protections. Sad.", ">\n\nI wish we protected our employees here like the do in Europe.", ">\n\nNothing surprising here. Elon's doing so many firings that he does not care if he is sued.", ">\n\nThis isn't news, this is common knowledge.", ">\n\nStupid cunt thinks the shambolic employment laws in America apply to the other countries where twitter has an office." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you", ">\n\nCan the EU force the dissolution of Twitter?", ">\n\nI love it when US companies get shanked by employment laws in the free world.", ">\n\nHahahaha was he one of those idiots who thinks the whole world is america while not realizing other countries have vastly diff labour laws... ahhhh the GOOF", ">\n\nHe also insulted advertisers that were leaving Twitter in light of Elon taking over. Not the right move. lol", ">\n\nThis dude just be fumbling over everything that's wild.", ">\n\n“Accused.”\nHe’s been unlawfully firing people since his first day and had barely hid it", ">\n\nElon once again proving he has america-brain and doesn't have a solid understanding of laws in inherently countries where Twitter offices are located.", ">\n\nHear that people \"American brain\" South Africa has nothing to do with this", ">\n\nAs far as I'm concerned elon has basically self-revoked his South African heritage and has fully embraced right wing north American conservatism.", ">\n\nSo you're saying this has nothing to do with his parents owning an apartheid-era emerald mine?", ">\n\nThe fact that he comes from wealth has lead him to this point- that his parents owned an emerald mine specifically might not be a factor. He could have come from any kind of wealth and still ended at this point because of the fact that he's an idiot.", ">\n\nGive it another year or two of the tories stripping away workers rights and he’ll be good to go", ">\n\nMaybe firing the legal people because they weren't just yes men who told you what you wanted to hear wasn't a good idea after all.", ">\n\nUhg. I hate it when our best potential for a Bond villain turns out to be a rude spoiled brat.", ">\n\nThis is not news. Let me know if Elon Musk’s Twitter is ever accused of doing something lawful. My notifications will be on", ">\n\nYawn... company was losing money = bye bye", ">\n\nNot too bright on Musk’s end (treating all countries employment standards as the same) but I’d like to ask: \nWhat happened to “private companies can do what they want”? I distinctly remember hearing this frequently over the past 10 years in North America. Now, it’s an issue? (Specifically speaking to Musk firing in NA. I understand EU is a whole ‘nother ball game)", ">\n\nTwitter simply doesn’t have the revenue to service it’s debt and meet all of the financial obligations for payroll and severance (because Musk saddled the company with 100million/month in debt servicing obligations.) Their strategy is to postpone paying as much as they can until they are either able to increase revenue or they go bankrupt.\nIt will end in bankruptcy. He’s grinding Twitter into a hellscape. The character of the content has already changed dramatically and the only people who advertise are basically late night infomercial types. Yesterday I saw an ad for - I swear to god - “miracle gutter repair tape.”\nThe main asset Twitter had was the userbase with the highest socioeconomic status of all social media companies. That is now changing as former users spend less time on the site and premium brands are no longer interested in being associated with it. Given the continued devolution of the content I don’t expect them to return. It turns out the liberals he seems to hate so much are also those with the highest level of education and income. \nBankruptcy is on the horizon. I mean they aren’t even paying rent in their office space. So yea, that’s not a great sign.", ">\n\nUgh we really need better worker protections in the US. Companies can do anything they want to US employees but other countries seem to have better protections. Sad.", ">\n\nI wish we protected our employees here like the do in Europe.", ">\n\nNothing surprising here. Elon's doing so many firings that he does not care if he is sued.", ">\n\nThis isn't news, this is common knowledge.", ">\n\nStupid cunt thinks the shambolic employment laws in America apply to the other countries where twitter has an office.", ">\n\nIt’s almost as if Musk doesn’t understand labor laws and rights are different in other countries…." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you", ">\n\nCan the EU force the dissolution of Twitter?", ">\n\nI love it when US companies get shanked by employment laws in the free world.", ">\n\nHahahaha was he one of those idiots who thinks the whole world is america while not realizing other countries have vastly diff labour laws... ahhhh the GOOF", ">\n\nHe also insulted advertisers that were leaving Twitter in light of Elon taking over. Not the right move. lol", ">\n\nThis dude just be fumbling over everything that's wild.", ">\n\n“Accused.”\nHe’s been unlawfully firing people since his first day and had barely hid it", ">\n\nElon once again proving he has america-brain and doesn't have a solid understanding of laws in inherently countries where Twitter offices are located.", ">\n\nHear that people \"American brain\" South Africa has nothing to do with this", ">\n\nAs far as I'm concerned elon has basically self-revoked his South African heritage and has fully embraced right wing north American conservatism.", ">\n\nSo you're saying this has nothing to do with his parents owning an apartheid-era emerald mine?", ">\n\nThe fact that he comes from wealth has lead him to this point- that his parents owned an emerald mine specifically might not be a factor. He could have come from any kind of wealth and still ended at this point because of the fact that he's an idiot.", ">\n\nGive it another year or two of the tories stripping away workers rights and he’ll be good to go", ">\n\nMaybe firing the legal people because they weren't just yes men who told you what you wanted to hear wasn't a good idea after all.", ">\n\nUhg. I hate it when our best potential for a Bond villain turns out to be a rude spoiled brat.", ">\n\nThis is not news. Let me know if Elon Musk’s Twitter is ever accused of doing something lawful. My notifications will be on", ">\n\nYawn... company was losing money = bye bye", ">\n\nNot too bright on Musk’s end (treating all countries employment standards as the same) but I’d like to ask: \nWhat happened to “private companies can do what they want”? I distinctly remember hearing this frequently over the past 10 years in North America. Now, it’s an issue? (Specifically speaking to Musk firing in NA. I understand EU is a whole ‘nother ball game)", ">\n\nTwitter simply doesn’t have the revenue to service it’s debt and meet all of the financial obligations for payroll and severance (because Musk saddled the company with 100million/month in debt servicing obligations.) Their strategy is to postpone paying as much as they can until they are either able to increase revenue or they go bankrupt.\nIt will end in bankruptcy. He’s grinding Twitter into a hellscape. The character of the content has already changed dramatically and the only people who advertise are basically late night infomercial types. Yesterday I saw an ad for - I swear to god - “miracle gutter repair tape.”\nThe main asset Twitter had was the userbase with the highest socioeconomic status of all social media companies. That is now changing as former users spend less time on the site and premium brands are no longer interested in being associated with it. Given the continued devolution of the content I don’t expect them to return. It turns out the liberals he seems to hate so much are also those with the highest level of education and income. \nBankruptcy is on the horizon. I mean they aren’t even paying rent in their office space. So yea, that’s not a great sign.", ">\n\nUgh we really need better worker protections in the US. Companies can do anything they want to US employees but other countries seem to have better protections. Sad.", ">\n\nI wish we protected our employees here like the do in Europe.", ">\n\nNothing surprising here. Elon's doing so many firings that he does not care if he is sued.", ">\n\nThis isn't news, this is common knowledge.", ">\n\nStupid cunt thinks the shambolic employment laws in America apply to the other countries where twitter has an office.", ">\n\nIt’s almost as if Musk doesn’t understand labor laws and rights are different in other countries….", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin. He is about to learn the hard way, that outside of AMERICA, there are rules, regulations and laws, you cant just go fire or do whatever you want. I know, its insane." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you", ">\n\nCan the EU force the dissolution of Twitter?", ">\n\nI love it when US companies get shanked by employment laws in the free world.", ">\n\nHahahaha was he one of those idiots who thinks the whole world is america while not realizing other countries have vastly diff labour laws... ahhhh the GOOF", ">\n\nHe also insulted advertisers that were leaving Twitter in light of Elon taking over. Not the right move. lol", ">\n\nThis dude just be fumbling over everything that's wild.", ">\n\n“Accused.”\nHe’s been unlawfully firing people since his first day and had barely hid it", ">\n\nElon once again proving he has america-brain and doesn't have a solid understanding of laws in inherently countries where Twitter offices are located.", ">\n\nHear that people \"American brain\" South Africa has nothing to do with this", ">\n\nAs far as I'm concerned elon has basically self-revoked his South African heritage and has fully embraced right wing north American conservatism.", ">\n\nSo you're saying this has nothing to do with his parents owning an apartheid-era emerald mine?", ">\n\nThe fact that he comes from wealth has lead him to this point- that his parents owned an emerald mine specifically might not be a factor. He could have come from any kind of wealth and still ended at this point because of the fact that he's an idiot.", ">\n\nGive it another year or two of the tories stripping away workers rights and he’ll be good to go", ">\n\nMaybe firing the legal people because they weren't just yes men who told you what you wanted to hear wasn't a good idea after all.", ">\n\nUhg. I hate it when our best potential for a Bond villain turns out to be a rude spoiled brat.", ">\n\nThis is not news. Let me know if Elon Musk’s Twitter is ever accused of doing something lawful. My notifications will be on", ">\n\nYawn... company was losing money = bye bye", ">\n\nNot too bright on Musk’s end (treating all countries employment standards as the same) but I’d like to ask: \nWhat happened to “private companies can do what they want”? I distinctly remember hearing this frequently over the past 10 years in North America. Now, it’s an issue? (Specifically speaking to Musk firing in NA. I understand EU is a whole ‘nother ball game)", ">\n\nTwitter simply doesn’t have the revenue to service it’s debt and meet all of the financial obligations for payroll and severance (because Musk saddled the company with 100million/month in debt servicing obligations.) Their strategy is to postpone paying as much as they can until they are either able to increase revenue or they go bankrupt.\nIt will end in bankruptcy. He’s grinding Twitter into a hellscape. The character of the content has already changed dramatically and the only people who advertise are basically late night infomercial types. Yesterday I saw an ad for - I swear to god - “miracle gutter repair tape.”\nThe main asset Twitter had was the userbase with the highest socioeconomic status of all social media companies. That is now changing as former users spend less time on the site and premium brands are no longer interested in being associated with it. Given the continued devolution of the content I don’t expect them to return. It turns out the liberals he seems to hate so much are also those with the highest level of education and income. \nBankruptcy is on the horizon. I mean they aren’t even paying rent in their office space. So yea, that’s not a great sign.", ">\n\nUgh we really need better worker protections in the US. Companies can do anything they want to US employees but other countries seem to have better protections. Sad.", ">\n\nI wish we protected our employees here like the do in Europe.", ">\n\nNothing surprising here. Elon's doing so many firings that he does not care if he is sued.", ">\n\nThis isn't news, this is common knowledge.", ">\n\nStupid cunt thinks the shambolic employment laws in America apply to the other countries where twitter has an office.", ">\n\nIt’s almost as if Musk doesn’t understand labor laws and rights are different in other countries….", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin. He is about to learn the hard way, that outside of AMERICA, there are rules, regulations and laws, you cant just go fire or do whatever you want. I know, its insane.", ">\n\nGood. Because they are more likely to do something in the UK than in the US" ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you", ">\n\nCan the EU force the dissolution of Twitter?", ">\n\nI love it when US companies get shanked by employment laws in the free world.", ">\n\nHahahaha was he one of those idiots who thinks the whole world is america while not realizing other countries have vastly diff labour laws... ahhhh the GOOF", ">\n\nHe also insulted advertisers that were leaving Twitter in light of Elon taking over. Not the right move. lol", ">\n\nThis dude just be fumbling over everything that's wild.", ">\n\n“Accused.”\nHe’s been unlawfully firing people since his first day and had barely hid it", ">\n\nElon once again proving he has america-brain and doesn't have a solid understanding of laws in inherently countries where Twitter offices are located.", ">\n\nHear that people \"American brain\" South Africa has nothing to do with this", ">\n\nAs far as I'm concerned elon has basically self-revoked his South African heritage and has fully embraced right wing north American conservatism.", ">\n\nSo you're saying this has nothing to do with his parents owning an apartheid-era emerald mine?", ">\n\nThe fact that he comes from wealth has lead him to this point- that his parents owned an emerald mine specifically might not be a factor. He could have come from any kind of wealth and still ended at this point because of the fact that he's an idiot.", ">\n\nGive it another year or two of the tories stripping away workers rights and he’ll be good to go", ">\n\nMaybe firing the legal people because they weren't just yes men who told you what you wanted to hear wasn't a good idea after all.", ">\n\nUhg. I hate it when our best potential for a Bond villain turns out to be a rude spoiled brat.", ">\n\nThis is not news. Let me know if Elon Musk’s Twitter is ever accused of doing something lawful. My notifications will be on", ">\n\nYawn... company was losing money = bye bye", ">\n\nNot too bright on Musk’s end (treating all countries employment standards as the same) but I’d like to ask: \nWhat happened to “private companies can do what they want”? I distinctly remember hearing this frequently over the past 10 years in North America. Now, it’s an issue? (Specifically speaking to Musk firing in NA. I understand EU is a whole ‘nother ball game)", ">\n\nTwitter simply doesn’t have the revenue to service it’s debt and meet all of the financial obligations for payroll and severance (because Musk saddled the company with 100million/month in debt servicing obligations.) Their strategy is to postpone paying as much as they can until they are either able to increase revenue or they go bankrupt.\nIt will end in bankruptcy. He’s grinding Twitter into a hellscape. The character of the content has already changed dramatically and the only people who advertise are basically late night infomercial types. Yesterday I saw an ad for - I swear to god - “miracle gutter repair tape.”\nThe main asset Twitter had was the userbase with the highest socioeconomic status of all social media companies. That is now changing as former users spend less time on the site and premium brands are no longer interested in being associated with it. Given the continued devolution of the content I don’t expect them to return. It turns out the liberals he seems to hate so much are also those with the highest level of education and income. \nBankruptcy is on the horizon. I mean they aren’t even paying rent in their office space. So yea, that’s not a great sign.", ">\n\nUgh we really need better worker protections in the US. Companies can do anything they want to US employees but other countries seem to have better protections. Sad.", ">\n\nI wish we protected our employees here like the do in Europe.", ">\n\nNothing surprising here. Elon's doing so many firings that he does not care if he is sued.", ">\n\nThis isn't news, this is common knowledge.", ">\n\nStupid cunt thinks the shambolic employment laws in America apply to the other countries where twitter has an office.", ">\n\nIt’s almost as if Musk doesn’t understand labor laws and rights are different in other countries….", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin. He is about to learn the hard way, that outside of AMERICA, there are rules, regulations and laws, you cant just go fire or do whatever you want. I know, its insane.", ">\n\nGood. Because they are more likely to do something in the UK than in the US", ">\n\nLol have you seen how the UK legal system treats the privileged?" ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you", ">\n\nCan the EU force the dissolution of Twitter?", ">\n\nI love it when US companies get shanked by employment laws in the free world.", ">\n\nHahahaha was he one of those idiots who thinks the whole world is america while not realizing other countries have vastly diff labour laws... ahhhh the GOOF", ">\n\nHe also insulted advertisers that were leaving Twitter in light of Elon taking over. Not the right move. lol", ">\n\nThis dude just be fumbling over everything that's wild.", ">\n\n“Accused.”\nHe’s been unlawfully firing people since his first day and had barely hid it", ">\n\nElon once again proving he has america-brain and doesn't have a solid understanding of laws in inherently countries where Twitter offices are located.", ">\n\nHear that people \"American brain\" South Africa has nothing to do with this", ">\n\nAs far as I'm concerned elon has basically self-revoked his South African heritage and has fully embraced right wing north American conservatism.", ">\n\nSo you're saying this has nothing to do with his parents owning an apartheid-era emerald mine?", ">\n\nThe fact that he comes from wealth has lead him to this point- that his parents owned an emerald mine specifically might not be a factor. He could have come from any kind of wealth and still ended at this point because of the fact that he's an idiot.", ">\n\nGive it another year or two of the tories stripping away workers rights and he’ll be good to go", ">\n\nMaybe firing the legal people because they weren't just yes men who told you what you wanted to hear wasn't a good idea after all.", ">\n\nUhg. I hate it when our best potential for a Bond villain turns out to be a rude spoiled brat.", ">\n\nThis is not news. Let me know if Elon Musk’s Twitter is ever accused of doing something lawful. My notifications will be on", ">\n\nYawn... company was losing money = bye bye", ">\n\nNot too bright on Musk’s end (treating all countries employment standards as the same) but I’d like to ask: \nWhat happened to “private companies can do what they want”? I distinctly remember hearing this frequently over the past 10 years in North America. Now, it’s an issue? (Specifically speaking to Musk firing in NA. I understand EU is a whole ‘nother ball game)", ">\n\nTwitter simply doesn’t have the revenue to service it’s debt and meet all of the financial obligations for payroll and severance (because Musk saddled the company with 100million/month in debt servicing obligations.) Their strategy is to postpone paying as much as they can until they are either able to increase revenue or they go bankrupt.\nIt will end in bankruptcy. He’s grinding Twitter into a hellscape. The character of the content has already changed dramatically and the only people who advertise are basically late night infomercial types. Yesterday I saw an ad for - I swear to god - “miracle gutter repair tape.”\nThe main asset Twitter had was the userbase with the highest socioeconomic status of all social media companies. That is now changing as former users spend less time on the site and premium brands are no longer interested in being associated with it. Given the continued devolution of the content I don’t expect them to return. It turns out the liberals he seems to hate so much are also those with the highest level of education and income. \nBankruptcy is on the horizon. I mean they aren’t even paying rent in their office space. So yea, that’s not a great sign.", ">\n\nUgh we really need better worker protections in the US. Companies can do anything they want to US employees but other countries seem to have better protections. Sad.", ">\n\nI wish we protected our employees here like the do in Europe.", ">\n\nNothing surprising here. Elon's doing so many firings that he does not care if he is sued.", ">\n\nThis isn't news, this is common knowledge.", ">\n\nStupid cunt thinks the shambolic employment laws in America apply to the other countries where twitter has an office.", ">\n\nIt’s almost as if Musk doesn’t understand labor laws and rights are different in other countries….", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin. He is about to learn the hard way, that outside of AMERICA, there are rules, regulations and laws, you cant just go fire or do whatever you want. I know, its insane.", ">\n\nGood. Because they are more likely to do something in the UK than in the US", ">\n\nLol have you seen how the UK legal system treats the privileged?", ">\n\nYes. But have you seen how the US does? Not saying the UK is that great, we are just that much worse over here." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you", ">\n\nCan the EU force the dissolution of Twitter?", ">\n\nI love it when US companies get shanked by employment laws in the free world.", ">\n\nHahahaha was he one of those idiots who thinks the whole world is america while not realizing other countries have vastly diff labour laws... ahhhh the GOOF", ">\n\nHe also insulted advertisers that were leaving Twitter in light of Elon taking over. Not the right move. lol", ">\n\nThis dude just be fumbling over everything that's wild.", ">\n\n“Accused.”\nHe’s been unlawfully firing people since his first day and had barely hid it", ">\n\nElon once again proving he has america-brain and doesn't have a solid understanding of laws in inherently countries where Twitter offices are located.", ">\n\nHear that people \"American brain\" South Africa has nothing to do with this", ">\n\nAs far as I'm concerned elon has basically self-revoked his South African heritage and has fully embraced right wing north American conservatism.", ">\n\nSo you're saying this has nothing to do with his parents owning an apartheid-era emerald mine?", ">\n\nThe fact that he comes from wealth has lead him to this point- that his parents owned an emerald mine specifically might not be a factor. He could have come from any kind of wealth and still ended at this point because of the fact that he's an idiot.", ">\n\nGive it another year or two of the tories stripping away workers rights and he’ll be good to go", ">\n\nMaybe firing the legal people because they weren't just yes men who told you what you wanted to hear wasn't a good idea after all.", ">\n\nUhg. I hate it when our best potential for a Bond villain turns out to be a rude spoiled brat.", ">\n\nThis is not news. Let me know if Elon Musk’s Twitter is ever accused of doing something lawful. My notifications will be on", ">\n\nYawn... company was losing money = bye bye", ">\n\nNot too bright on Musk’s end (treating all countries employment standards as the same) but I’d like to ask: \nWhat happened to “private companies can do what they want”? I distinctly remember hearing this frequently over the past 10 years in North America. Now, it’s an issue? (Specifically speaking to Musk firing in NA. I understand EU is a whole ‘nother ball game)", ">\n\nTwitter simply doesn’t have the revenue to service it’s debt and meet all of the financial obligations for payroll and severance (because Musk saddled the company with 100million/month in debt servicing obligations.) Their strategy is to postpone paying as much as they can until they are either able to increase revenue or they go bankrupt.\nIt will end in bankruptcy. He’s grinding Twitter into a hellscape. The character of the content has already changed dramatically and the only people who advertise are basically late night infomercial types. Yesterday I saw an ad for - I swear to god - “miracle gutter repair tape.”\nThe main asset Twitter had was the userbase with the highest socioeconomic status of all social media companies. That is now changing as former users spend less time on the site and premium brands are no longer interested in being associated with it. Given the continued devolution of the content I don’t expect them to return. It turns out the liberals he seems to hate so much are also those with the highest level of education and income. \nBankruptcy is on the horizon. I mean they aren’t even paying rent in their office space. So yea, that’s not a great sign.", ">\n\nUgh we really need better worker protections in the US. Companies can do anything they want to US employees but other countries seem to have better protections. Sad.", ">\n\nI wish we protected our employees here like the do in Europe.", ">\n\nNothing surprising here. Elon's doing so many firings that he does not care if he is sued.", ">\n\nThis isn't news, this is common knowledge.", ">\n\nStupid cunt thinks the shambolic employment laws in America apply to the other countries where twitter has an office.", ">\n\nIt’s almost as if Musk doesn’t understand labor laws and rights are different in other countries….", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin. He is about to learn the hard way, that outside of AMERICA, there are rules, regulations and laws, you cant just go fire or do whatever you want. I know, its insane.", ">\n\nGood. Because they are more likely to do something in the UK than in the US", ">\n\nLol have you seen how the UK legal system treats the privileged?", ">\n\nYes. But have you seen how the US does? Not saying the UK is that great, we are just that much worse over here.", ">\n\nI suppose our previous leader didn't quite attempt a coup so I guess you guys win that one. Let's see whether Johnson or Trump get re-elected though" ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you", ">\n\nCan the EU force the dissolution of Twitter?", ">\n\nI love it when US companies get shanked by employment laws in the free world.", ">\n\nHahahaha was he one of those idiots who thinks the whole world is america while not realizing other countries have vastly diff labour laws... ahhhh the GOOF", ">\n\nHe also insulted advertisers that were leaving Twitter in light of Elon taking over. Not the right move. lol", ">\n\nThis dude just be fumbling over everything that's wild.", ">\n\n“Accused.”\nHe’s been unlawfully firing people since his first day and had barely hid it", ">\n\nElon once again proving he has america-brain and doesn't have a solid understanding of laws in inherently countries where Twitter offices are located.", ">\n\nHear that people \"American brain\" South Africa has nothing to do with this", ">\n\nAs far as I'm concerned elon has basically self-revoked his South African heritage and has fully embraced right wing north American conservatism.", ">\n\nSo you're saying this has nothing to do with his parents owning an apartheid-era emerald mine?", ">\n\nThe fact that he comes from wealth has lead him to this point- that his parents owned an emerald mine specifically might not be a factor. He could have come from any kind of wealth and still ended at this point because of the fact that he's an idiot.", ">\n\nGive it another year or two of the tories stripping away workers rights and he’ll be good to go", ">\n\nMaybe firing the legal people because they weren't just yes men who told you what you wanted to hear wasn't a good idea after all.", ">\n\nUhg. I hate it when our best potential for a Bond villain turns out to be a rude spoiled brat.", ">\n\nThis is not news. Let me know if Elon Musk’s Twitter is ever accused of doing something lawful. My notifications will be on", ">\n\nYawn... company was losing money = bye bye", ">\n\nNot too bright on Musk’s end (treating all countries employment standards as the same) but I’d like to ask: \nWhat happened to “private companies can do what they want”? I distinctly remember hearing this frequently over the past 10 years in North America. Now, it’s an issue? (Specifically speaking to Musk firing in NA. I understand EU is a whole ‘nother ball game)", ">\n\nTwitter simply doesn’t have the revenue to service it’s debt and meet all of the financial obligations for payroll and severance (because Musk saddled the company with 100million/month in debt servicing obligations.) Their strategy is to postpone paying as much as they can until they are either able to increase revenue or they go bankrupt.\nIt will end in bankruptcy. He’s grinding Twitter into a hellscape. The character of the content has already changed dramatically and the only people who advertise are basically late night infomercial types. Yesterday I saw an ad for - I swear to god - “miracle gutter repair tape.”\nThe main asset Twitter had was the userbase with the highest socioeconomic status of all social media companies. That is now changing as former users spend less time on the site and premium brands are no longer interested in being associated with it. Given the continued devolution of the content I don’t expect them to return. It turns out the liberals he seems to hate so much are also those with the highest level of education and income. \nBankruptcy is on the horizon. I mean they aren’t even paying rent in their office space. So yea, that’s not a great sign.", ">\n\nUgh we really need better worker protections in the US. Companies can do anything they want to US employees but other countries seem to have better protections. Sad.", ">\n\nI wish we protected our employees here like the do in Europe.", ">\n\nNothing surprising here. Elon's doing so many firings that he does not care if he is sued.", ">\n\nThis isn't news, this is common knowledge.", ">\n\nStupid cunt thinks the shambolic employment laws in America apply to the other countries where twitter has an office.", ">\n\nIt’s almost as if Musk doesn’t understand labor laws and rights are different in other countries….", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin. He is about to learn the hard way, that outside of AMERICA, there are rules, regulations and laws, you cant just go fire or do whatever you want. I know, its insane.", ">\n\nGood. Because they are more likely to do something in the UK than in the US", ">\n\nLol have you seen how the UK legal system treats the privileged?", ">\n\nYes. But have you seen how the US does? Not saying the UK is that great, we are just that much worse over here.", ">\n\nI suppose our previous leader didn't quite attempt a coup so I guess you guys win that one. Let's see whether Johnson or Trump get re-elected though", ">\n\nLet’s hope not. We have both endured enough of their malarkey." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you", ">\n\nCan the EU force the dissolution of Twitter?", ">\n\nI love it when US companies get shanked by employment laws in the free world.", ">\n\nHahahaha was he one of those idiots who thinks the whole world is america while not realizing other countries have vastly diff labour laws... ahhhh the GOOF", ">\n\nHe also insulted advertisers that were leaving Twitter in light of Elon taking over. Not the right move. lol", ">\n\nThis dude just be fumbling over everything that's wild.", ">\n\n“Accused.”\nHe’s been unlawfully firing people since his first day and had barely hid it", ">\n\nElon once again proving he has america-brain and doesn't have a solid understanding of laws in inherently countries where Twitter offices are located.", ">\n\nHear that people \"American brain\" South Africa has nothing to do with this", ">\n\nAs far as I'm concerned elon has basically self-revoked his South African heritage and has fully embraced right wing north American conservatism.", ">\n\nSo you're saying this has nothing to do with his parents owning an apartheid-era emerald mine?", ">\n\nThe fact that he comes from wealth has lead him to this point- that his parents owned an emerald mine specifically might not be a factor. He could have come from any kind of wealth and still ended at this point because of the fact that he's an idiot.", ">\n\nGive it another year or two of the tories stripping away workers rights and he’ll be good to go", ">\n\nMaybe firing the legal people because they weren't just yes men who told you what you wanted to hear wasn't a good idea after all.", ">\n\nUhg. I hate it when our best potential for a Bond villain turns out to be a rude spoiled brat.", ">\n\nThis is not news. Let me know if Elon Musk’s Twitter is ever accused of doing something lawful. My notifications will be on", ">\n\nYawn... company was losing money = bye bye", ">\n\nNot too bright on Musk’s end (treating all countries employment standards as the same) but I’d like to ask: \nWhat happened to “private companies can do what they want”? I distinctly remember hearing this frequently over the past 10 years in North America. Now, it’s an issue? (Specifically speaking to Musk firing in NA. I understand EU is a whole ‘nother ball game)", ">\n\nTwitter simply doesn’t have the revenue to service it’s debt and meet all of the financial obligations for payroll and severance (because Musk saddled the company with 100million/month in debt servicing obligations.) Their strategy is to postpone paying as much as they can until they are either able to increase revenue or they go bankrupt.\nIt will end in bankruptcy. He’s grinding Twitter into a hellscape. The character of the content has already changed dramatically and the only people who advertise are basically late night infomercial types. Yesterday I saw an ad for - I swear to god - “miracle gutter repair tape.”\nThe main asset Twitter had was the userbase with the highest socioeconomic status of all social media companies. That is now changing as former users spend less time on the site and premium brands are no longer interested in being associated with it. Given the continued devolution of the content I don’t expect them to return. It turns out the liberals he seems to hate so much are also those with the highest level of education and income. \nBankruptcy is on the horizon. I mean they aren’t even paying rent in their office space. So yea, that’s not a great sign.", ">\n\nUgh we really need better worker protections in the US. Companies can do anything they want to US employees but other countries seem to have better protections. Sad.", ">\n\nI wish we protected our employees here like the do in Europe.", ">\n\nNothing surprising here. Elon's doing so many firings that he does not care if he is sued.", ">\n\nThis isn't news, this is common knowledge.", ">\n\nStupid cunt thinks the shambolic employment laws in America apply to the other countries where twitter has an office.", ">\n\nIt’s almost as if Musk doesn’t understand labor laws and rights are different in other countries….", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin. He is about to learn the hard way, that outside of AMERICA, there are rules, regulations and laws, you cant just go fire or do whatever you want. I know, its insane.", ">\n\nGood. Because they are more likely to do something in the UK than in the US", ">\n\nLol have you seen how the UK legal system treats the privileged?", ">\n\nYes. But have you seen how the US does? Not saying the UK is that great, we are just that much worse over here.", ">\n\nI suppose our previous leader didn't quite attempt a coup so I guess you guys win that one. Let's see whether Johnson or Trump get re-elected though", ">\n\nLet’s hope not. We have both endured enough of their malarkey.", ">\n\nJohnson was seriously considered by some people as the next PM in the last rotation of the Downing Street revolving door" ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you", ">\n\nCan the EU force the dissolution of Twitter?", ">\n\nI love it when US companies get shanked by employment laws in the free world.", ">\n\nHahahaha was he one of those idiots who thinks the whole world is america while not realizing other countries have vastly diff labour laws... ahhhh the GOOF", ">\n\nHe also insulted advertisers that were leaving Twitter in light of Elon taking over. Not the right move. lol", ">\n\nThis dude just be fumbling over everything that's wild.", ">\n\n“Accused.”\nHe’s been unlawfully firing people since his first day and had barely hid it", ">\n\nElon once again proving he has america-brain and doesn't have a solid understanding of laws in inherently countries where Twitter offices are located.", ">\n\nHear that people \"American brain\" South Africa has nothing to do with this", ">\n\nAs far as I'm concerned elon has basically self-revoked his South African heritage and has fully embraced right wing north American conservatism.", ">\n\nSo you're saying this has nothing to do with his parents owning an apartheid-era emerald mine?", ">\n\nThe fact that he comes from wealth has lead him to this point- that his parents owned an emerald mine specifically might not be a factor. He could have come from any kind of wealth and still ended at this point because of the fact that he's an idiot.", ">\n\nGive it another year or two of the tories stripping away workers rights and he’ll be good to go", ">\n\nMaybe firing the legal people because they weren't just yes men who told you what you wanted to hear wasn't a good idea after all.", ">\n\nUhg. I hate it when our best potential for a Bond villain turns out to be a rude spoiled brat.", ">\n\nThis is not news. Let me know if Elon Musk’s Twitter is ever accused of doing something lawful. My notifications will be on", ">\n\nYawn... company was losing money = bye bye", ">\n\nNot too bright on Musk’s end (treating all countries employment standards as the same) but I’d like to ask: \nWhat happened to “private companies can do what they want”? I distinctly remember hearing this frequently over the past 10 years in North America. Now, it’s an issue? (Specifically speaking to Musk firing in NA. I understand EU is a whole ‘nother ball game)", ">\n\nTwitter simply doesn’t have the revenue to service it’s debt and meet all of the financial obligations for payroll and severance (because Musk saddled the company with 100million/month in debt servicing obligations.) Their strategy is to postpone paying as much as they can until they are either able to increase revenue or they go bankrupt.\nIt will end in bankruptcy. He’s grinding Twitter into a hellscape. The character of the content has already changed dramatically and the only people who advertise are basically late night infomercial types. Yesterday I saw an ad for - I swear to god - “miracle gutter repair tape.”\nThe main asset Twitter had was the userbase with the highest socioeconomic status of all social media companies. That is now changing as former users spend less time on the site and premium brands are no longer interested in being associated with it. Given the continued devolution of the content I don’t expect them to return. It turns out the liberals he seems to hate so much are also those with the highest level of education and income. \nBankruptcy is on the horizon. I mean they aren’t even paying rent in their office space. So yea, that’s not a great sign.", ">\n\nUgh we really need better worker protections in the US. Companies can do anything they want to US employees but other countries seem to have better protections. Sad.", ">\n\nI wish we protected our employees here like the do in Europe.", ">\n\nNothing surprising here. Elon's doing so many firings that he does not care if he is sued.", ">\n\nThis isn't news, this is common knowledge.", ">\n\nStupid cunt thinks the shambolic employment laws in America apply to the other countries where twitter has an office.", ">\n\nIt’s almost as if Musk doesn’t understand labor laws and rights are different in other countries….", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin. He is about to learn the hard way, that outside of AMERICA, there are rules, regulations and laws, you cant just go fire or do whatever you want. I know, its insane.", ">\n\nGood. Because they are more likely to do something in the UK than in the US", ">\n\nLol have you seen how the UK legal system treats the privileged?", ">\n\nYes. But have you seen how the US does? Not saying the UK is that great, we are just that much worse over here.", ">\n\nI suppose our previous leader didn't quite attempt a coup so I guess you guys win that one. Let's see whether Johnson or Trump get re-elected though", ">\n\nLet’s hope not. We have both endured enough of their malarkey.", ">\n\nJohnson was seriously considered by some people as the next PM in the last rotation of the Downing Street revolving door", ">\n\nSuch a different tone than Jack Dorsey’s Twitter. Oh wait. No one refers to a company like that." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you", ">\n\nCan the EU force the dissolution of Twitter?", ">\n\nI love it when US companies get shanked by employment laws in the free world.", ">\n\nHahahaha was he one of those idiots who thinks the whole world is america while not realizing other countries have vastly diff labour laws... ahhhh the GOOF", ">\n\nHe also insulted advertisers that were leaving Twitter in light of Elon taking over. Not the right move. lol", ">\n\nThis dude just be fumbling over everything that's wild.", ">\n\n“Accused.”\nHe’s been unlawfully firing people since his first day and had barely hid it", ">\n\nElon once again proving he has america-brain and doesn't have a solid understanding of laws in inherently countries where Twitter offices are located.", ">\n\nHear that people \"American brain\" South Africa has nothing to do with this", ">\n\nAs far as I'm concerned elon has basically self-revoked his South African heritage and has fully embraced right wing north American conservatism.", ">\n\nSo you're saying this has nothing to do with his parents owning an apartheid-era emerald mine?", ">\n\nThe fact that he comes from wealth has lead him to this point- that his parents owned an emerald mine specifically might not be a factor. He could have come from any kind of wealth and still ended at this point because of the fact that he's an idiot.", ">\n\nGive it another year or two of the tories stripping away workers rights and he’ll be good to go", ">\n\nMaybe firing the legal people because they weren't just yes men who told you what you wanted to hear wasn't a good idea after all.", ">\n\nUhg. I hate it when our best potential for a Bond villain turns out to be a rude spoiled brat.", ">\n\nThis is not news. Let me know if Elon Musk’s Twitter is ever accused of doing something lawful. My notifications will be on", ">\n\nYawn... company was losing money = bye bye", ">\n\nNot too bright on Musk’s end (treating all countries employment standards as the same) but I’d like to ask: \nWhat happened to “private companies can do what they want”? I distinctly remember hearing this frequently over the past 10 years in North America. Now, it’s an issue? (Specifically speaking to Musk firing in NA. I understand EU is a whole ‘nother ball game)", ">\n\nTwitter simply doesn’t have the revenue to service it’s debt and meet all of the financial obligations for payroll and severance (because Musk saddled the company with 100million/month in debt servicing obligations.) Their strategy is to postpone paying as much as they can until they are either able to increase revenue or they go bankrupt.\nIt will end in bankruptcy. He’s grinding Twitter into a hellscape. The character of the content has already changed dramatically and the only people who advertise are basically late night infomercial types. Yesterday I saw an ad for - I swear to god - “miracle gutter repair tape.”\nThe main asset Twitter had was the userbase with the highest socioeconomic status of all social media companies. That is now changing as former users spend less time on the site and premium brands are no longer interested in being associated with it. Given the continued devolution of the content I don’t expect them to return. It turns out the liberals he seems to hate so much are also those with the highest level of education and income. \nBankruptcy is on the horizon. I mean they aren’t even paying rent in their office space. So yea, that’s not a great sign.", ">\n\nUgh we really need better worker protections in the US. Companies can do anything they want to US employees but other countries seem to have better protections. Sad.", ">\n\nI wish we protected our employees here like the do in Europe.", ">\n\nNothing surprising here. Elon's doing so many firings that he does not care if he is sued.", ">\n\nThis isn't news, this is common knowledge.", ">\n\nStupid cunt thinks the shambolic employment laws in America apply to the other countries where twitter has an office.", ">\n\nIt’s almost as if Musk doesn’t understand labor laws and rights are different in other countries….", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin. He is about to learn the hard way, that outside of AMERICA, there are rules, regulations and laws, you cant just go fire or do whatever you want. I know, its insane.", ">\n\nGood. Because they are more likely to do something in the UK than in the US", ">\n\nLol have you seen how the UK legal system treats the privileged?", ">\n\nYes. But have you seen how the US does? Not saying the UK is that great, we are just that much worse over here.", ">\n\nI suppose our previous leader didn't quite attempt a coup so I guess you guys win that one. Let's see whether Johnson or Trump get re-elected though", ">\n\nLet’s hope not. We have both endured enough of their malarkey.", ">\n\nJohnson was seriously considered by some people as the next PM in the last rotation of the Downing Street revolving door", ">\n\nSuch a different tone than Jack Dorsey’s Twitter. Oh wait. No one refers to a company like that.", ">\n\nArrest, prosecute, and jail" ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you", ">\n\nCan the EU force the dissolution of Twitter?", ">\n\nI love it when US companies get shanked by employment laws in the free world.", ">\n\nHahahaha was he one of those idiots who thinks the whole world is america while not realizing other countries have vastly diff labour laws... ahhhh the GOOF", ">\n\nHe also insulted advertisers that were leaving Twitter in light of Elon taking over. Not the right move. lol", ">\n\nThis dude just be fumbling over everything that's wild.", ">\n\n“Accused.”\nHe’s been unlawfully firing people since his first day and had barely hid it", ">\n\nElon once again proving he has america-brain and doesn't have a solid understanding of laws in inherently countries where Twitter offices are located.", ">\n\nHear that people \"American brain\" South Africa has nothing to do with this", ">\n\nAs far as I'm concerned elon has basically self-revoked his South African heritage and has fully embraced right wing north American conservatism.", ">\n\nSo you're saying this has nothing to do with his parents owning an apartheid-era emerald mine?", ">\n\nThe fact that he comes from wealth has lead him to this point- that his parents owned an emerald mine specifically might not be a factor. He could have come from any kind of wealth and still ended at this point because of the fact that he's an idiot.", ">\n\nGive it another year or two of the tories stripping away workers rights and he’ll be good to go", ">\n\nMaybe firing the legal people because they weren't just yes men who told you what you wanted to hear wasn't a good idea after all.", ">\n\nUhg. I hate it when our best potential for a Bond villain turns out to be a rude spoiled brat.", ">\n\nThis is not news. Let me know if Elon Musk’s Twitter is ever accused of doing something lawful. My notifications will be on", ">\n\nYawn... company was losing money = bye bye", ">\n\nNot too bright on Musk’s end (treating all countries employment standards as the same) but I’d like to ask: \nWhat happened to “private companies can do what they want”? I distinctly remember hearing this frequently over the past 10 years in North America. Now, it’s an issue? (Specifically speaking to Musk firing in NA. I understand EU is a whole ‘nother ball game)", ">\n\nTwitter simply doesn’t have the revenue to service it’s debt and meet all of the financial obligations for payroll and severance (because Musk saddled the company with 100million/month in debt servicing obligations.) Their strategy is to postpone paying as much as they can until they are either able to increase revenue or they go bankrupt.\nIt will end in bankruptcy. He’s grinding Twitter into a hellscape. The character of the content has already changed dramatically and the only people who advertise are basically late night infomercial types. Yesterday I saw an ad for - I swear to god - “miracle gutter repair tape.”\nThe main asset Twitter had was the userbase with the highest socioeconomic status of all social media companies. That is now changing as former users spend less time on the site and premium brands are no longer interested in being associated with it. Given the continued devolution of the content I don’t expect them to return. It turns out the liberals he seems to hate so much are also those with the highest level of education and income. \nBankruptcy is on the horizon. I mean they aren’t even paying rent in their office space. So yea, that’s not a great sign.", ">\n\nUgh we really need better worker protections in the US. Companies can do anything they want to US employees but other countries seem to have better protections. Sad.", ">\n\nI wish we protected our employees here like the do in Europe.", ">\n\nNothing surprising here. Elon's doing so many firings that he does not care if he is sued.", ">\n\nThis isn't news, this is common knowledge.", ">\n\nStupid cunt thinks the shambolic employment laws in America apply to the other countries where twitter has an office.", ">\n\nIt’s almost as if Musk doesn’t understand labor laws and rights are different in other countries….", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin. He is about to learn the hard way, that outside of AMERICA, there are rules, regulations and laws, you cant just go fire or do whatever you want. I know, its insane.", ">\n\nGood. Because they are more likely to do something in the UK than in the US", ">\n\nLol have you seen how the UK legal system treats the privileged?", ">\n\nYes. But have you seen how the US does? Not saying the UK is that great, we are just that much worse over here.", ">\n\nI suppose our previous leader didn't quite attempt a coup so I guess you guys win that one. Let's see whether Johnson or Trump get re-elected though", ">\n\nLet’s hope not. We have both endured enough of their malarkey.", ">\n\nJohnson was seriously considered by some people as the next PM in the last rotation of the Downing Street revolving door", ">\n\nSuch a different tone than Jack Dorsey’s Twitter. Oh wait. No one refers to a company like that.", ">\n\nArrest, prosecute, and jail", ">\n\nThe remedy is civil so I don’t see that happening." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you", ">\n\nCan the EU force the dissolution of Twitter?", ">\n\nI love it when US companies get shanked by employment laws in the free world.", ">\n\nHahahaha was he one of those idiots who thinks the whole world is america while not realizing other countries have vastly diff labour laws... ahhhh the GOOF", ">\n\nHe also insulted advertisers that were leaving Twitter in light of Elon taking over. Not the right move. lol", ">\n\nThis dude just be fumbling over everything that's wild.", ">\n\n“Accused.”\nHe’s been unlawfully firing people since his first day and had barely hid it", ">\n\nElon once again proving he has america-brain and doesn't have a solid understanding of laws in inherently countries where Twitter offices are located.", ">\n\nHear that people \"American brain\" South Africa has nothing to do with this", ">\n\nAs far as I'm concerned elon has basically self-revoked his South African heritage and has fully embraced right wing north American conservatism.", ">\n\nSo you're saying this has nothing to do with his parents owning an apartheid-era emerald mine?", ">\n\nThe fact that he comes from wealth has lead him to this point- that his parents owned an emerald mine specifically might not be a factor. He could have come from any kind of wealth and still ended at this point because of the fact that he's an idiot.", ">\n\nGive it another year or two of the tories stripping away workers rights and he’ll be good to go", ">\n\nMaybe firing the legal people because they weren't just yes men who told you what you wanted to hear wasn't a good idea after all.", ">\n\nUhg. I hate it when our best potential for a Bond villain turns out to be a rude spoiled brat.", ">\n\nThis is not news. Let me know if Elon Musk’s Twitter is ever accused of doing something lawful. My notifications will be on", ">\n\nYawn... company was losing money = bye bye", ">\n\nNot too bright on Musk’s end (treating all countries employment standards as the same) but I’d like to ask: \nWhat happened to “private companies can do what they want”? I distinctly remember hearing this frequently over the past 10 years in North America. Now, it’s an issue? (Specifically speaking to Musk firing in NA. I understand EU is a whole ‘nother ball game)", ">\n\nTwitter simply doesn’t have the revenue to service it’s debt and meet all of the financial obligations for payroll and severance (because Musk saddled the company with 100million/month in debt servicing obligations.) Their strategy is to postpone paying as much as they can until they are either able to increase revenue or they go bankrupt.\nIt will end in bankruptcy. He’s grinding Twitter into a hellscape. The character of the content has already changed dramatically and the only people who advertise are basically late night infomercial types. Yesterday I saw an ad for - I swear to god - “miracle gutter repair tape.”\nThe main asset Twitter had was the userbase with the highest socioeconomic status of all social media companies. That is now changing as former users spend less time on the site and premium brands are no longer interested in being associated with it. Given the continued devolution of the content I don’t expect them to return. It turns out the liberals he seems to hate so much are also those with the highest level of education and income. \nBankruptcy is on the horizon. I mean they aren’t even paying rent in their office space. So yea, that’s not a great sign.", ">\n\nUgh we really need better worker protections in the US. Companies can do anything they want to US employees but other countries seem to have better protections. Sad.", ">\n\nI wish we protected our employees here like the do in Europe.", ">\n\nNothing surprising here. Elon's doing so many firings that he does not care if he is sued.", ">\n\nThis isn't news, this is common knowledge.", ">\n\nStupid cunt thinks the shambolic employment laws in America apply to the other countries where twitter has an office.", ">\n\nIt’s almost as if Musk doesn’t understand labor laws and rights are different in other countries….", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin. He is about to learn the hard way, that outside of AMERICA, there are rules, regulations and laws, you cant just go fire or do whatever you want. I know, its insane.", ">\n\nGood. Because they are more likely to do something in the UK than in the US", ">\n\nLol have you seen how the UK legal system treats the privileged?", ">\n\nYes. But have you seen how the US does? Not saying the UK is that great, we are just that much worse over here.", ">\n\nI suppose our previous leader didn't quite attempt a coup so I guess you guys win that one. Let's see whether Johnson or Trump get re-elected though", ">\n\nLet’s hope not. We have both endured enough of their malarkey.", ">\n\nJohnson was seriously considered by some people as the next PM in the last rotation of the Downing Street revolving door", ">\n\nSuch a different tone than Jack Dorsey’s Twitter. Oh wait. No one refers to a company like that.", ">\n\nArrest, prosecute, and jail", ">\n\nThe remedy is civil so I don’t see that happening.", ">\n\nJust the cost of doing business." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you", ">\n\nCan the EU force the dissolution of Twitter?", ">\n\nI love it when US companies get shanked by employment laws in the free world.", ">\n\nHahahaha was he one of those idiots who thinks the whole world is america while not realizing other countries have vastly diff labour laws... ahhhh the GOOF", ">\n\nHe also insulted advertisers that were leaving Twitter in light of Elon taking over. Not the right move. lol", ">\n\nThis dude just be fumbling over everything that's wild.", ">\n\n“Accused.”\nHe’s been unlawfully firing people since his first day and had barely hid it", ">\n\nElon once again proving he has america-brain and doesn't have a solid understanding of laws in inherently countries where Twitter offices are located.", ">\n\nHear that people \"American brain\" South Africa has nothing to do with this", ">\n\nAs far as I'm concerned elon has basically self-revoked his South African heritage and has fully embraced right wing north American conservatism.", ">\n\nSo you're saying this has nothing to do with his parents owning an apartheid-era emerald mine?", ">\n\nThe fact that he comes from wealth has lead him to this point- that his parents owned an emerald mine specifically might not be a factor. He could have come from any kind of wealth and still ended at this point because of the fact that he's an idiot.", ">\n\nGive it another year or two of the tories stripping away workers rights and he’ll be good to go", ">\n\nMaybe firing the legal people because they weren't just yes men who told you what you wanted to hear wasn't a good idea after all.", ">\n\nUhg. I hate it when our best potential for a Bond villain turns out to be a rude spoiled brat.", ">\n\nThis is not news. Let me know if Elon Musk’s Twitter is ever accused of doing something lawful. My notifications will be on", ">\n\nYawn... company was losing money = bye bye", ">\n\nNot too bright on Musk’s end (treating all countries employment standards as the same) but I’d like to ask: \nWhat happened to “private companies can do what they want”? I distinctly remember hearing this frequently over the past 10 years in North America. Now, it’s an issue? (Specifically speaking to Musk firing in NA. I understand EU is a whole ‘nother ball game)", ">\n\nTwitter simply doesn’t have the revenue to service it’s debt and meet all of the financial obligations for payroll and severance (because Musk saddled the company with 100million/month in debt servicing obligations.) Their strategy is to postpone paying as much as they can until they are either able to increase revenue or they go bankrupt.\nIt will end in bankruptcy. He’s grinding Twitter into a hellscape. The character of the content has already changed dramatically and the only people who advertise are basically late night infomercial types. Yesterday I saw an ad for - I swear to god - “miracle gutter repair tape.”\nThe main asset Twitter had was the userbase with the highest socioeconomic status of all social media companies. That is now changing as former users spend less time on the site and premium brands are no longer interested in being associated with it. Given the continued devolution of the content I don’t expect them to return. It turns out the liberals he seems to hate so much are also those with the highest level of education and income. \nBankruptcy is on the horizon. I mean they aren’t even paying rent in their office space. So yea, that’s not a great sign.", ">\n\nUgh we really need better worker protections in the US. Companies can do anything they want to US employees but other countries seem to have better protections. Sad.", ">\n\nI wish we protected our employees here like the do in Europe.", ">\n\nNothing surprising here. Elon's doing so many firings that he does not care if he is sued.", ">\n\nThis isn't news, this is common knowledge.", ">\n\nStupid cunt thinks the shambolic employment laws in America apply to the other countries where twitter has an office.", ">\n\nIt’s almost as if Musk doesn’t understand labor laws and rights are different in other countries….", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin. He is about to learn the hard way, that outside of AMERICA, there are rules, regulations and laws, you cant just go fire or do whatever you want. I know, its insane.", ">\n\nGood. Because they are more likely to do something in the UK than in the US", ">\n\nLol have you seen how the UK legal system treats the privileged?", ">\n\nYes. But have you seen how the US does? Not saying the UK is that great, we are just that much worse over here.", ">\n\nI suppose our previous leader didn't quite attempt a coup so I guess you guys win that one. Let's see whether Johnson or Trump get re-elected though", ">\n\nLet’s hope not. We have both endured enough of their malarkey.", ">\n\nJohnson was seriously considered by some people as the next PM in the last rotation of the Downing Street revolving door", ">\n\nSuch a different tone than Jack Dorsey’s Twitter. Oh wait. No one refers to a company like that.", ">\n\nArrest, prosecute, and jail", ">\n\nThe remedy is civil so I don’t see that happening.", ">\n\nJust the cost of doing business.", ">\n\nSo is every company in the world. Grown up stuff." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you", ">\n\nCan the EU force the dissolution of Twitter?", ">\n\nI love it when US companies get shanked by employment laws in the free world.", ">\n\nHahahaha was he one of those idiots who thinks the whole world is america while not realizing other countries have vastly diff labour laws... ahhhh the GOOF", ">\n\nHe also insulted advertisers that were leaving Twitter in light of Elon taking over. Not the right move. lol", ">\n\nThis dude just be fumbling over everything that's wild.", ">\n\n“Accused.”\nHe’s been unlawfully firing people since his first day and had barely hid it", ">\n\nElon once again proving he has america-brain and doesn't have a solid understanding of laws in inherently countries where Twitter offices are located.", ">\n\nHear that people \"American brain\" South Africa has nothing to do with this", ">\n\nAs far as I'm concerned elon has basically self-revoked his South African heritage and has fully embraced right wing north American conservatism.", ">\n\nSo you're saying this has nothing to do with his parents owning an apartheid-era emerald mine?", ">\n\nThe fact that he comes from wealth has lead him to this point- that his parents owned an emerald mine specifically might not be a factor. He could have come from any kind of wealth and still ended at this point because of the fact that he's an idiot.", ">\n\nGive it another year or two of the tories stripping away workers rights and he’ll be good to go", ">\n\nMaybe firing the legal people because they weren't just yes men who told you what you wanted to hear wasn't a good idea after all.", ">\n\nUhg. I hate it when our best potential for a Bond villain turns out to be a rude spoiled brat.", ">\n\nThis is not news. Let me know if Elon Musk’s Twitter is ever accused of doing something lawful. My notifications will be on", ">\n\nYawn... company was losing money = bye bye", ">\n\nNot too bright on Musk’s end (treating all countries employment standards as the same) but I’d like to ask: \nWhat happened to “private companies can do what they want”? I distinctly remember hearing this frequently over the past 10 years in North America. Now, it’s an issue? (Specifically speaking to Musk firing in NA. I understand EU is a whole ‘nother ball game)", ">\n\nTwitter simply doesn’t have the revenue to service it’s debt and meet all of the financial obligations for payroll and severance (because Musk saddled the company with 100million/month in debt servicing obligations.) Their strategy is to postpone paying as much as they can until they are either able to increase revenue or they go bankrupt.\nIt will end in bankruptcy. He’s grinding Twitter into a hellscape. The character of the content has already changed dramatically and the only people who advertise are basically late night infomercial types. Yesterday I saw an ad for - I swear to god - “miracle gutter repair tape.”\nThe main asset Twitter had was the userbase with the highest socioeconomic status of all social media companies. That is now changing as former users spend less time on the site and premium brands are no longer interested in being associated with it. Given the continued devolution of the content I don’t expect them to return. It turns out the liberals he seems to hate so much are also those with the highest level of education and income. \nBankruptcy is on the horizon. I mean they aren’t even paying rent in their office space. So yea, that’s not a great sign.", ">\n\nUgh we really need better worker protections in the US. Companies can do anything they want to US employees but other countries seem to have better protections. Sad.", ">\n\nI wish we protected our employees here like the do in Europe.", ">\n\nNothing surprising here. Elon's doing so many firings that he does not care if he is sued.", ">\n\nThis isn't news, this is common knowledge.", ">\n\nStupid cunt thinks the shambolic employment laws in America apply to the other countries where twitter has an office.", ">\n\nIt’s almost as if Musk doesn’t understand labor laws and rights are different in other countries….", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin. He is about to learn the hard way, that outside of AMERICA, there are rules, regulations and laws, you cant just go fire or do whatever you want. I know, its insane.", ">\n\nGood. Because they are more likely to do something in the UK than in the US", ">\n\nLol have you seen how the UK legal system treats the privileged?", ">\n\nYes. But have you seen how the US does? Not saying the UK is that great, we are just that much worse over here.", ">\n\nI suppose our previous leader didn't quite attempt a coup so I guess you guys win that one. Let's see whether Johnson or Trump get re-elected though", ">\n\nLet’s hope not. We have both endured enough of their malarkey.", ">\n\nJohnson was seriously considered by some people as the next PM in the last rotation of the Downing Street revolving door", ">\n\nSuch a different tone than Jack Dorsey’s Twitter. Oh wait. No one refers to a company like that.", ">\n\nArrest, prosecute, and jail", ">\n\nThe remedy is civil so I don’t see that happening.", ">\n\nJust the cost of doing business.", ">\n\nSo is every company in the world. Grown up stuff.", ">\n\nEvery company in the world is not being sued. That's just silly." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you", ">\n\nCan the EU force the dissolution of Twitter?", ">\n\nI love it when US companies get shanked by employment laws in the free world.", ">\n\nHahahaha was he one of those idiots who thinks the whole world is america while not realizing other countries have vastly diff labour laws... ahhhh the GOOF", ">\n\nHe also insulted advertisers that were leaving Twitter in light of Elon taking over. Not the right move. lol", ">\n\nThis dude just be fumbling over everything that's wild.", ">\n\n“Accused.”\nHe’s been unlawfully firing people since his first day and had barely hid it", ">\n\nElon once again proving he has america-brain and doesn't have a solid understanding of laws in inherently countries where Twitter offices are located.", ">\n\nHear that people \"American brain\" South Africa has nothing to do with this", ">\n\nAs far as I'm concerned elon has basically self-revoked his South African heritage and has fully embraced right wing north American conservatism.", ">\n\nSo you're saying this has nothing to do with his parents owning an apartheid-era emerald mine?", ">\n\nThe fact that he comes from wealth has lead him to this point- that his parents owned an emerald mine specifically might not be a factor. He could have come from any kind of wealth and still ended at this point because of the fact that he's an idiot.", ">\n\nGive it another year or two of the tories stripping away workers rights and he’ll be good to go", ">\n\nMaybe firing the legal people because they weren't just yes men who told you what you wanted to hear wasn't a good idea after all.", ">\n\nUhg. I hate it when our best potential for a Bond villain turns out to be a rude spoiled brat.", ">\n\nThis is not news. Let me know if Elon Musk’s Twitter is ever accused of doing something lawful. My notifications will be on", ">\n\nYawn... company was losing money = bye bye", ">\n\nNot too bright on Musk’s end (treating all countries employment standards as the same) but I’d like to ask: \nWhat happened to “private companies can do what they want”? I distinctly remember hearing this frequently over the past 10 years in North America. Now, it’s an issue? (Specifically speaking to Musk firing in NA. I understand EU is a whole ‘nother ball game)", ">\n\nTwitter simply doesn’t have the revenue to service it’s debt and meet all of the financial obligations for payroll and severance (because Musk saddled the company with 100million/month in debt servicing obligations.) Their strategy is to postpone paying as much as they can until they are either able to increase revenue or they go bankrupt.\nIt will end in bankruptcy. He’s grinding Twitter into a hellscape. The character of the content has already changed dramatically and the only people who advertise are basically late night infomercial types. Yesterday I saw an ad for - I swear to god - “miracle gutter repair tape.”\nThe main asset Twitter had was the userbase with the highest socioeconomic status of all social media companies. That is now changing as former users spend less time on the site and premium brands are no longer interested in being associated with it. Given the continued devolution of the content I don’t expect them to return. It turns out the liberals he seems to hate so much are also those with the highest level of education and income. \nBankruptcy is on the horizon. I mean they aren’t even paying rent in their office space. So yea, that’s not a great sign.", ">\n\nUgh we really need better worker protections in the US. Companies can do anything they want to US employees but other countries seem to have better protections. Sad.", ">\n\nI wish we protected our employees here like the do in Europe.", ">\n\nNothing surprising here. Elon's doing so many firings that he does not care if he is sued.", ">\n\nThis isn't news, this is common knowledge.", ">\n\nStupid cunt thinks the shambolic employment laws in America apply to the other countries where twitter has an office.", ">\n\nIt’s almost as if Musk doesn’t understand labor laws and rights are different in other countries….", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin. He is about to learn the hard way, that outside of AMERICA, there are rules, regulations and laws, you cant just go fire or do whatever you want. I know, its insane.", ">\n\nGood. Because they are more likely to do something in the UK than in the US", ">\n\nLol have you seen how the UK legal system treats the privileged?", ">\n\nYes. But have you seen how the US does? Not saying the UK is that great, we are just that much worse over here.", ">\n\nI suppose our previous leader didn't quite attempt a coup so I guess you guys win that one. Let's see whether Johnson or Trump get re-elected though", ">\n\nLet’s hope not. We have both endured enough of their malarkey.", ">\n\nJohnson was seriously considered by some people as the next PM in the last rotation of the Downing Street revolving door", ">\n\nSuch a different tone than Jack Dorsey’s Twitter. Oh wait. No one refers to a company like that.", ">\n\nArrest, prosecute, and jail", ">\n\nThe remedy is civil so I don’t see that happening.", ">\n\nJust the cost of doing business.", ">\n\nSo is every company in the world. Grown up stuff.", ">\n\nEvery company in the world is not being sued. That's just silly.", ">\n\nThis headline could've been \"Twitter accused of unlawful staff firings in the UK\" and held the same meaning." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you", ">\n\nCan the EU force the dissolution of Twitter?", ">\n\nI love it when US companies get shanked by employment laws in the free world.", ">\n\nHahahaha was he one of those idiots who thinks the whole world is america while not realizing other countries have vastly diff labour laws... ahhhh the GOOF", ">\n\nHe also insulted advertisers that were leaving Twitter in light of Elon taking over. Not the right move. lol", ">\n\nThis dude just be fumbling over everything that's wild.", ">\n\n“Accused.”\nHe’s been unlawfully firing people since his first day and had barely hid it", ">\n\nElon once again proving he has america-brain and doesn't have a solid understanding of laws in inherently countries where Twitter offices are located.", ">\n\nHear that people \"American brain\" South Africa has nothing to do with this", ">\n\nAs far as I'm concerned elon has basically self-revoked his South African heritage and has fully embraced right wing north American conservatism.", ">\n\nSo you're saying this has nothing to do with his parents owning an apartheid-era emerald mine?", ">\n\nThe fact that he comes from wealth has lead him to this point- that his parents owned an emerald mine specifically might not be a factor. He could have come from any kind of wealth and still ended at this point because of the fact that he's an idiot.", ">\n\nGive it another year or two of the tories stripping away workers rights and he’ll be good to go", ">\n\nMaybe firing the legal people because they weren't just yes men who told you what you wanted to hear wasn't a good idea after all.", ">\n\nUhg. I hate it when our best potential for a Bond villain turns out to be a rude spoiled brat.", ">\n\nThis is not news. Let me know if Elon Musk’s Twitter is ever accused of doing something lawful. My notifications will be on", ">\n\nYawn... company was losing money = bye bye", ">\n\nNot too bright on Musk’s end (treating all countries employment standards as the same) but I’d like to ask: \nWhat happened to “private companies can do what they want”? I distinctly remember hearing this frequently over the past 10 years in North America. Now, it’s an issue? (Specifically speaking to Musk firing in NA. I understand EU is a whole ‘nother ball game)", ">\n\nTwitter simply doesn’t have the revenue to service it’s debt and meet all of the financial obligations for payroll and severance (because Musk saddled the company with 100million/month in debt servicing obligations.) Their strategy is to postpone paying as much as they can until they are either able to increase revenue or they go bankrupt.\nIt will end in bankruptcy. He’s grinding Twitter into a hellscape. The character of the content has already changed dramatically and the only people who advertise are basically late night infomercial types. Yesterday I saw an ad for - I swear to god - “miracle gutter repair tape.”\nThe main asset Twitter had was the userbase with the highest socioeconomic status of all social media companies. That is now changing as former users spend less time on the site and premium brands are no longer interested in being associated with it. Given the continued devolution of the content I don’t expect them to return. It turns out the liberals he seems to hate so much are also those with the highest level of education and income. \nBankruptcy is on the horizon. I mean they aren’t even paying rent in their office space. So yea, that’s not a great sign.", ">\n\nUgh we really need better worker protections in the US. Companies can do anything they want to US employees but other countries seem to have better protections. Sad.", ">\n\nI wish we protected our employees here like the do in Europe.", ">\n\nNothing surprising here. Elon's doing so many firings that he does not care if he is sued.", ">\n\nThis isn't news, this is common knowledge.", ">\n\nStupid cunt thinks the shambolic employment laws in America apply to the other countries where twitter has an office.", ">\n\nIt’s almost as if Musk doesn’t understand labor laws and rights are different in other countries….", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin. He is about to learn the hard way, that outside of AMERICA, there are rules, regulations and laws, you cant just go fire or do whatever you want. I know, its insane.", ">\n\nGood. Because they are more likely to do something in the UK than in the US", ">\n\nLol have you seen how the UK legal system treats the privileged?", ">\n\nYes. But have you seen how the US does? Not saying the UK is that great, we are just that much worse over here.", ">\n\nI suppose our previous leader didn't quite attempt a coup so I guess you guys win that one. Let's see whether Johnson or Trump get re-elected though", ">\n\nLet’s hope not. We have both endured enough of their malarkey.", ">\n\nJohnson was seriously considered by some people as the next PM in the last rotation of the Downing Street revolving door", ">\n\nSuch a different tone than Jack Dorsey’s Twitter. Oh wait. No one refers to a company like that.", ">\n\nArrest, prosecute, and jail", ">\n\nThe remedy is civil so I don’t see that happening.", ">\n\nJust the cost of doing business.", ">\n\nSo is every company in the world. Grown up stuff.", ">\n\nEvery company in the world is not being sued. That's just silly.", ">\n\nThis headline could've been \"Twitter accused of unlawful staff firings in the UK\" and held the same meaning.", ">\n\nHe spent a lot of money buying it, least we can do is give him the credit for it." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you", ">\n\nCan the EU force the dissolution of Twitter?", ">\n\nI love it when US companies get shanked by employment laws in the free world.", ">\n\nHahahaha was he one of those idiots who thinks the whole world is america while not realizing other countries have vastly diff labour laws... ahhhh the GOOF", ">\n\nHe also insulted advertisers that were leaving Twitter in light of Elon taking over. Not the right move. lol", ">\n\nThis dude just be fumbling over everything that's wild.", ">\n\n“Accused.”\nHe’s been unlawfully firing people since his first day and had barely hid it", ">\n\nElon once again proving he has america-brain and doesn't have a solid understanding of laws in inherently countries where Twitter offices are located.", ">\n\nHear that people \"American brain\" South Africa has nothing to do with this", ">\n\nAs far as I'm concerned elon has basically self-revoked his South African heritage and has fully embraced right wing north American conservatism.", ">\n\nSo you're saying this has nothing to do with his parents owning an apartheid-era emerald mine?", ">\n\nThe fact that he comes from wealth has lead him to this point- that his parents owned an emerald mine specifically might not be a factor. He could have come from any kind of wealth and still ended at this point because of the fact that he's an idiot.", ">\n\nGive it another year or two of the tories stripping away workers rights and he’ll be good to go", ">\n\nMaybe firing the legal people because they weren't just yes men who told you what you wanted to hear wasn't a good idea after all.", ">\n\nUhg. I hate it when our best potential for a Bond villain turns out to be a rude spoiled brat.", ">\n\nThis is not news. Let me know if Elon Musk’s Twitter is ever accused of doing something lawful. My notifications will be on", ">\n\nYawn... company was losing money = bye bye", ">\n\nNot too bright on Musk’s end (treating all countries employment standards as the same) but I’d like to ask: \nWhat happened to “private companies can do what they want”? I distinctly remember hearing this frequently over the past 10 years in North America. Now, it’s an issue? (Specifically speaking to Musk firing in NA. I understand EU is a whole ‘nother ball game)", ">\n\nTwitter simply doesn’t have the revenue to service it’s debt and meet all of the financial obligations for payroll and severance (because Musk saddled the company with 100million/month in debt servicing obligations.) Their strategy is to postpone paying as much as they can until they are either able to increase revenue or they go bankrupt.\nIt will end in bankruptcy. He’s grinding Twitter into a hellscape. The character of the content has already changed dramatically and the only people who advertise are basically late night infomercial types. Yesterday I saw an ad for - I swear to god - “miracle gutter repair tape.”\nThe main asset Twitter had was the userbase with the highest socioeconomic status of all social media companies. That is now changing as former users spend less time on the site and premium brands are no longer interested in being associated with it. Given the continued devolution of the content I don’t expect them to return. It turns out the liberals he seems to hate so much are also those with the highest level of education and income. \nBankruptcy is on the horizon. I mean they aren’t even paying rent in their office space. So yea, that’s not a great sign.", ">\n\nUgh we really need better worker protections in the US. Companies can do anything they want to US employees but other countries seem to have better protections. Sad.", ">\n\nI wish we protected our employees here like the do in Europe.", ">\n\nNothing surprising here. Elon's doing so many firings that he does not care if he is sued.", ">\n\nThis isn't news, this is common knowledge.", ">\n\nStupid cunt thinks the shambolic employment laws in America apply to the other countries where twitter has an office.", ">\n\nIt’s almost as if Musk doesn’t understand labor laws and rights are different in other countries….", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin. He is about to learn the hard way, that outside of AMERICA, there are rules, regulations and laws, you cant just go fire or do whatever you want. I know, its insane.", ">\n\nGood. Because they are more likely to do something in the UK than in the US", ">\n\nLol have you seen how the UK legal system treats the privileged?", ">\n\nYes. But have you seen how the US does? Not saying the UK is that great, we are just that much worse over here.", ">\n\nI suppose our previous leader didn't quite attempt a coup so I guess you guys win that one. Let's see whether Johnson or Trump get re-elected though", ">\n\nLet’s hope not. We have both endured enough of their malarkey.", ">\n\nJohnson was seriously considered by some people as the next PM in the last rotation of the Downing Street revolving door", ">\n\nSuch a different tone than Jack Dorsey’s Twitter. Oh wait. No one refers to a company like that.", ">\n\nArrest, prosecute, and jail", ">\n\nThe remedy is civil so I don’t see that happening.", ">\n\nJust the cost of doing business.", ">\n\nSo is every company in the world. Grown up stuff.", ">\n\nEvery company in the world is not being sued. That's just silly.", ">\n\nThis headline could've been \"Twitter accused of unlawful staff firings in the UK\" and held the same meaning.", ">\n\nHe spent a lot of money buying it, least we can do is give him the credit for it.", ">\n\nOk honestly has anything gone right for him since buying Twitter? I haven't liked the guy in ages but it is pretty astonishing just how many bad decisions this many has managed to create in just a few months." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you", ">\n\nCan the EU force the dissolution of Twitter?", ">\n\nI love it when US companies get shanked by employment laws in the free world.", ">\n\nHahahaha was he one of those idiots who thinks the whole world is america while not realizing other countries have vastly diff labour laws... ahhhh the GOOF", ">\n\nHe also insulted advertisers that were leaving Twitter in light of Elon taking over. Not the right move. lol", ">\n\nThis dude just be fumbling over everything that's wild.", ">\n\n“Accused.”\nHe’s been unlawfully firing people since his first day and had barely hid it", ">\n\nElon once again proving he has america-brain and doesn't have a solid understanding of laws in inherently countries where Twitter offices are located.", ">\n\nHear that people \"American brain\" South Africa has nothing to do with this", ">\n\nAs far as I'm concerned elon has basically self-revoked his South African heritage and has fully embraced right wing north American conservatism.", ">\n\nSo you're saying this has nothing to do with his parents owning an apartheid-era emerald mine?", ">\n\nThe fact that he comes from wealth has lead him to this point- that his parents owned an emerald mine specifically might not be a factor. He could have come from any kind of wealth and still ended at this point because of the fact that he's an idiot.", ">\n\nGive it another year or two of the tories stripping away workers rights and he’ll be good to go", ">\n\nMaybe firing the legal people because they weren't just yes men who told you what you wanted to hear wasn't a good idea after all.", ">\n\nUhg. I hate it when our best potential for a Bond villain turns out to be a rude spoiled brat.", ">\n\nThis is not news. Let me know if Elon Musk’s Twitter is ever accused of doing something lawful. My notifications will be on", ">\n\nYawn... company was losing money = bye bye", ">\n\nNot too bright on Musk’s end (treating all countries employment standards as the same) but I’d like to ask: \nWhat happened to “private companies can do what they want”? I distinctly remember hearing this frequently over the past 10 years in North America. Now, it’s an issue? (Specifically speaking to Musk firing in NA. I understand EU is a whole ‘nother ball game)", ">\n\nTwitter simply doesn’t have the revenue to service it’s debt and meet all of the financial obligations for payroll and severance (because Musk saddled the company with 100million/month in debt servicing obligations.) Their strategy is to postpone paying as much as they can until they are either able to increase revenue or they go bankrupt.\nIt will end in bankruptcy. He’s grinding Twitter into a hellscape. The character of the content has already changed dramatically and the only people who advertise are basically late night infomercial types. Yesterday I saw an ad for - I swear to god - “miracle gutter repair tape.”\nThe main asset Twitter had was the userbase with the highest socioeconomic status of all social media companies. That is now changing as former users spend less time on the site and premium brands are no longer interested in being associated with it. Given the continued devolution of the content I don’t expect them to return. It turns out the liberals he seems to hate so much are also those with the highest level of education and income. \nBankruptcy is on the horizon. I mean they aren’t even paying rent in their office space. So yea, that’s not a great sign.", ">\n\nUgh we really need better worker protections in the US. Companies can do anything they want to US employees but other countries seem to have better protections. Sad.", ">\n\nI wish we protected our employees here like the do in Europe.", ">\n\nNothing surprising here. Elon's doing so many firings that he does not care if he is sued.", ">\n\nThis isn't news, this is common knowledge.", ">\n\nStupid cunt thinks the shambolic employment laws in America apply to the other countries where twitter has an office.", ">\n\nIt’s almost as if Musk doesn’t understand labor laws and rights are different in other countries….", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin. He is about to learn the hard way, that outside of AMERICA, there are rules, regulations and laws, you cant just go fire or do whatever you want. I know, its insane.", ">\n\nGood. Because they are more likely to do something in the UK than in the US", ">\n\nLol have you seen how the UK legal system treats the privileged?", ">\n\nYes. But have you seen how the US does? Not saying the UK is that great, we are just that much worse over here.", ">\n\nI suppose our previous leader didn't quite attempt a coup so I guess you guys win that one. Let's see whether Johnson or Trump get re-elected though", ">\n\nLet’s hope not. We have both endured enough of their malarkey.", ">\n\nJohnson was seriously considered by some people as the next PM in the last rotation of the Downing Street revolving door", ">\n\nSuch a different tone than Jack Dorsey’s Twitter. Oh wait. No one refers to a company like that.", ">\n\nArrest, prosecute, and jail", ">\n\nThe remedy is civil so I don’t see that happening.", ">\n\nJust the cost of doing business.", ">\n\nSo is every company in the world. Grown up stuff.", ">\n\nEvery company in the world is not being sued. That's just silly.", ">\n\nThis headline could've been \"Twitter accused of unlawful staff firings in the UK\" and held the same meaning.", ">\n\nHe spent a lot of money buying it, least we can do is give him the credit for it.", ">\n\nOk honestly has anything gone right for him since buying Twitter? I haven't liked the guy in ages but it is pretty astonishing just how many bad decisions this many has managed to create in just a few months.", ">\n\nReally? Whoda thunk it?" ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you", ">\n\nCan the EU force the dissolution of Twitter?", ">\n\nI love it when US companies get shanked by employment laws in the free world.", ">\n\nHahahaha was he one of those idiots who thinks the whole world is america while not realizing other countries have vastly diff labour laws... ahhhh the GOOF", ">\n\nHe also insulted advertisers that were leaving Twitter in light of Elon taking over. Not the right move. lol", ">\n\nThis dude just be fumbling over everything that's wild.", ">\n\n“Accused.”\nHe’s been unlawfully firing people since his first day and had barely hid it", ">\n\nElon once again proving he has america-brain and doesn't have a solid understanding of laws in inherently countries where Twitter offices are located.", ">\n\nHear that people \"American brain\" South Africa has nothing to do with this", ">\n\nAs far as I'm concerned elon has basically self-revoked his South African heritage and has fully embraced right wing north American conservatism.", ">\n\nSo you're saying this has nothing to do with his parents owning an apartheid-era emerald mine?", ">\n\nThe fact that he comes from wealth has lead him to this point- that his parents owned an emerald mine specifically might not be a factor. He could have come from any kind of wealth and still ended at this point because of the fact that he's an idiot.", ">\n\nGive it another year or two of the tories stripping away workers rights and he’ll be good to go", ">\n\nMaybe firing the legal people because they weren't just yes men who told you what you wanted to hear wasn't a good idea after all.", ">\n\nUhg. I hate it when our best potential for a Bond villain turns out to be a rude spoiled brat.", ">\n\nThis is not news. Let me know if Elon Musk’s Twitter is ever accused of doing something lawful. My notifications will be on", ">\n\nYawn... company was losing money = bye bye", ">\n\nNot too bright on Musk’s end (treating all countries employment standards as the same) but I’d like to ask: \nWhat happened to “private companies can do what they want”? I distinctly remember hearing this frequently over the past 10 years in North America. Now, it’s an issue? (Specifically speaking to Musk firing in NA. I understand EU is a whole ‘nother ball game)", ">\n\nTwitter simply doesn’t have the revenue to service it’s debt and meet all of the financial obligations for payroll and severance (because Musk saddled the company with 100million/month in debt servicing obligations.) Their strategy is to postpone paying as much as they can until they are either able to increase revenue or they go bankrupt.\nIt will end in bankruptcy. He’s grinding Twitter into a hellscape. The character of the content has already changed dramatically and the only people who advertise are basically late night infomercial types. Yesterday I saw an ad for - I swear to god - “miracle gutter repair tape.”\nThe main asset Twitter had was the userbase with the highest socioeconomic status of all social media companies. That is now changing as former users spend less time on the site and premium brands are no longer interested in being associated with it. Given the continued devolution of the content I don’t expect them to return. It turns out the liberals he seems to hate so much are also those with the highest level of education and income. \nBankruptcy is on the horizon. I mean they aren’t even paying rent in their office space. So yea, that’s not a great sign.", ">\n\nUgh we really need better worker protections in the US. Companies can do anything they want to US employees but other countries seem to have better protections. Sad.", ">\n\nI wish we protected our employees here like the do in Europe.", ">\n\nNothing surprising here. Elon's doing so many firings that he does not care if he is sued.", ">\n\nThis isn't news, this is common knowledge.", ">\n\nStupid cunt thinks the shambolic employment laws in America apply to the other countries where twitter has an office.", ">\n\nIt’s almost as if Musk doesn’t understand labor laws and rights are different in other countries….", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin. He is about to learn the hard way, that outside of AMERICA, there are rules, regulations and laws, you cant just go fire or do whatever you want. I know, its insane.", ">\n\nGood. Because they are more likely to do something in the UK than in the US", ">\n\nLol have you seen how the UK legal system treats the privileged?", ">\n\nYes. But have you seen how the US does? Not saying the UK is that great, we are just that much worse over here.", ">\n\nI suppose our previous leader didn't quite attempt a coup so I guess you guys win that one. Let's see whether Johnson or Trump get re-elected though", ">\n\nLet’s hope not. We have both endured enough of their malarkey.", ">\n\nJohnson was seriously considered by some people as the next PM in the last rotation of the Downing Street revolving door", ">\n\nSuch a different tone than Jack Dorsey’s Twitter. Oh wait. No one refers to a company like that.", ">\n\nArrest, prosecute, and jail", ">\n\nThe remedy is civil so I don’t see that happening.", ">\n\nJust the cost of doing business.", ">\n\nSo is every company in the world. Grown up stuff.", ">\n\nEvery company in the world is not being sued. That's just silly.", ">\n\nThis headline could've been \"Twitter accused of unlawful staff firings in the UK\" and held the same meaning.", ">\n\nHe spent a lot of money buying it, least we can do is give him the credit for it.", ">\n\nOk honestly has anything gone right for him since buying Twitter? I haven't liked the guy in ages but it is pretty astonishing just how many bad decisions this many has managed to create in just a few months.", ">\n\nReally? Whoda thunk it?", ">\n\nCan someone EILI5. Why do these people keep saying, \"I lost trust in the company\"...The company? what company? This was 100% Elon Musk, Not Twitter's board of directors making the decision. If Elon steps down and replaces the head of twitter, Are they still going to have lost trust in the company? If someone with 60b walked in and bought any business and started doing this, You would lose trust in ANY company no matter who it was? that makes no sense to me." ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you", ">\n\nCan the EU force the dissolution of Twitter?", ">\n\nI love it when US companies get shanked by employment laws in the free world.", ">\n\nHahahaha was he one of those idiots who thinks the whole world is america while not realizing other countries have vastly diff labour laws... ahhhh the GOOF", ">\n\nHe also insulted advertisers that were leaving Twitter in light of Elon taking over. Not the right move. lol", ">\n\nThis dude just be fumbling over everything that's wild.", ">\n\n“Accused.”\nHe’s been unlawfully firing people since his first day and had barely hid it", ">\n\nElon once again proving he has america-brain and doesn't have a solid understanding of laws in inherently countries where Twitter offices are located.", ">\n\nHear that people \"American brain\" South Africa has nothing to do with this", ">\n\nAs far as I'm concerned elon has basically self-revoked his South African heritage and has fully embraced right wing north American conservatism.", ">\n\nSo you're saying this has nothing to do with his parents owning an apartheid-era emerald mine?", ">\n\nThe fact that he comes from wealth has lead him to this point- that his parents owned an emerald mine specifically might not be a factor. He could have come from any kind of wealth and still ended at this point because of the fact that he's an idiot.", ">\n\nGive it another year or two of the tories stripping away workers rights and he’ll be good to go", ">\n\nMaybe firing the legal people because they weren't just yes men who told you what you wanted to hear wasn't a good idea after all.", ">\n\nUhg. I hate it when our best potential for a Bond villain turns out to be a rude spoiled brat.", ">\n\nThis is not news. Let me know if Elon Musk’s Twitter is ever accused of doing something lawful. My notifications will be on", ">\n\nYawn... company was losing money = bye bye", ">\n\nNot too bright on Musk’s end (treating all countries employment standards as the same) but I’d like to ask: \nWhat happened to “private companies can do what they want”? I distinctly remember hearing this frequently over the past 10 years in North America. Now, it’s an issue? (Specifically speaking to Musk firing in NA. I understand EU is a whole ‘nother ball game)", ">\n\nTwitter simply doesn’t have the revenue to service it’s debt and meet all of the financial obligations for payroll and severance (because Musk saddled the company with 100million/month in debt servicing obligations.) Their strategy is to postpone paying as much as they can until they are either able to increase revenue or they go bankrupt.\nIt will end in bankruptcy. He’s grinding Twitter into a hellscape. The character of the content has already changed dramatically and the only people who advertise are basically late night infomercial types. Yesterday I saw an ad for - I swear to god - “miracle gutter repair tape.”\nThe main asset Twitter had was the userbase with the highest socioeconomic status of all social media companies. That is now changing as former users spend less time on the site and premium brands are no longer interested in being associated with it. Given the continued devolution of the content I don’t expect them to return. It turns out the liberals he seems to hate so much are also those with the highest level of education and income. \nBankruptcy is on the horizon. I mean they aren’t even paying rent in their office space. So yea, that’s not a great sign.", ">\n\nUgh we really need better worker protections in the US. Companies can do anything they want to US employees but other countries seem to have better protections. Sad.", ">\n\nI wish we protected our employees here like the do in Europe.", ">\n\nNothing surprising here. Elon's doing so many firings that he does not care if he is sued.", ">\n\nThis isn't news, this is common knowledge.", ">\n\nStupid cunt thinks the shambolic employment laws in America apply to the other countries where twitter has an office.", ">\n\nIt’s almost as if Musk doesn’t understand labor laws and rights are different in other countries….", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin. He is about to learn the hard way, that outside of AMERICA, there are rules, regulations and laws, you cant just go fire or do whatever you want. I know, its insane.", ">\n\nGood. Because they are more likely to do something in the UK than in the US", ">\n\nLol have you seen how the UK legal system treats the privileged?", ">\n\nYes. But have you seen how the US does? Not saying the UK is that great, we are just that much worse over here.", ">\n\nI suppose our previous leader didn't quite attempt a coup so I guess you guys win that one. Let's see whether Johnson or Trump get re-elected though", ">\n\nLet’s hope not. We have both endured enough of their malarkey.", ">\n\nJohnson was seriously considered by some people as the next PM in the last rotation of the Downing Street revolving door", ">\n\nSuch a different tone than Jack Dorsey’s Twitter. Oh wait. No one refers to a company like that.", ">\n\nArrest, prosecute, and jail", ">\n\nThe remedy is civil so I don’t see that happening.", ">\n\nJust the cost of doing business.", ">\n\nSo is every company in the world. Grown up stuff.", ">\n\nEvery company in the world is not being sued. That's just silly.", ">\n\nThis headline could've been \"Twitter accused of unlawful staff firings in the UK\" and held the same meaning.", ">\n\nHe spent a lot of money buying it, least we can do is give him the credit for it.", ">\n\nOk honestly has anything gone right for him since buying Twitter? I haven't liked the guy in ages but it is pretty astonishing just how many bad decisions this many has managed to create in just a few months.", ">\n\nReally? Whoda thunk it?", ">\n\nCan someone EILI5. Why do these people keep saying, \"I lost trust in the company\"...The company? what company? This was 100% Elon Musk, Not Twitter's board of directors making the decision. If Elon steps down and replaces the head of twitter, Are they still going to have lost trust in the company? If someone with 60b walked in and bought any business and started doing this, You would lose trust in ANY company no matter who it was? that makes no sense to me.", ">\n\nThis dipshit just can't help but run twitter into the ground. Fucking loser" ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you", ">\n\nCan the EU force the dissolution of Twitter?", ">\n\nI love it when US companies get shanked by employment laws in the free world.", ">\n\nHahahaha was he one of those idiots who thinks the whole world is america while not realizing other countries have vastly diff labour laws... ahhhh the GOOF", ">\n\nHe also insulted advertisers that were leaving Twitter in light of Elon taking over. Not the right move. lol", ">\n\nThis dude just be fumbling over everything that's wild.", ">\n\n“Accused.”\nHe’s been unlawfully firing people since his first day and had barely hid it", ">\n\nElon once again proving he has america-brain and doesn't have a solid understanding of laws in inherently countries where Twitter offices are located.", ">\n\nHear that people \"American brain\" South Africa has nothing to do with this", ">\n\nAs far as I'm concerned elon has basically self-revoked his South African heritage and has fully embraced right wing north American conservatism.", ">\n\nSo you're saying this has nothing to do with his parents owning an apartheid-era emerald mine?", ">\n\nThe fact that he comes from wealth has lead him to this point- that his parents owned an emerald mine specifically might not be a factor. He could have come from any kind of wealth and still ended at this point because of the fact that he's an idiot.", ">\n\nGive it another year or two of the tories stripping away workers rights and he’ll be good to go", ">\n\nMaybe firing the legal people because they weren't just yes men who told you what you wanted to hear wasn't a good idea after all.", ">\n\nUhg. I hate it when our best potential for a Bond villain turns out to be a rude spoiled brat.", ">\n\nThis is not news. Let me know if Elon Musk’s Twitter is ever accused of doing something lawful. My notifications will be on", ">\n\nYawn... company was losing money = bye bye", ">\n\nNot too bright on Musk’s end (treating all countries employment standards as the same) but I’d like to ask: \nWhat happened to “private companies can do what they want”? I distinctly remember hearing this frequently over the past 10 years in North America. Now, it’s an issue? (Specifically speaking to Musk firing in NA. I understand EU is a whole ‘nother ball game)", ">\n\nTwitter simply doesn’t have the revenue to service it’s debt and meet all of the financial obligations for payroll and severance (because Musk saddled the company with 100million/month in debt servicing obligations.) Their strategy is to postpone paying as much as they can until they are either able to increase revenue or they go bankrupt.\nIt will end in bankruptcy. He’s grinding Twitter into a hellscape. The character of the content has already changed dramatically and the only people who advertise are basically late night infomercial types. Yesterday I saw an ad for - I swear to god - “miracle gutter repair tape.”\nThe main asset Twitter had was the userbase with the highest socioeconomic status of all social media companies. That is now changing as former users spend less time on the site and premium brands are no longer interested in being associated with it. Given the continued devolution of the content I don’t expect them to return. It turns out the liberals he seems to hate so much are also those with the highest level of education and income. \nBankruptcy is on the horizon. I mean they aren’t even paying rent in their office space. So yea, that’s not a great sign.", ">\n\nUgh we really need better worker protections in the US. Companies can do anything they want to US employees but other countries seem to have better protections. Sad.", ">\n\nI wish we protected our employees here like the do in Europe.", ">\n\nNothing surprising here. Elon's doing so many firings that he does not care if he is sued.", ">\n\nThis isn't news, this is common knowledge.", ">\n\nStupid cunt thinks the shambolic employment laws in America apply to the other countries where twitter has an office.", ">\n\nIt’s almost as if Musk doesn’t understand labor laws and rights are different in other countries….", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin. He is about to learn the hard way, that outside of AMERICA, there are rules, regulations and laws, you cant just go fire or do whatever you want. I know, its insane.", ">\n\nGood. Because they are more likely to do something in the UK than in the US", ">\n\nLol have you seen how the UK legal system treats the privileged?", ">\n\nYes. But have you seen how the US does? Not saying the UK is that great, we are just that much worse over here.", ">\n\nI suppose our previous leader didn't quite attempt a coup so I guess you guys win that one. Let's see whether Johnson or Trump get re-elected though", ">\n\nLet’s hope not. We have both endured enough of their malarkey.", ">\n\nJohnson was seriously considered by some people as the next PM in the last rotation of the Downing Street revolving door", ">\n\nSuch a different tone than Jack Dorsey’s Twitter. Oh wait. No one refers to a company like that.", ">\n\nArrest, prosecute, and jail", ">\n\nThe remedy is civil so I don’t see that happening.", ">\n\nJust the cost of doing business.", ">\n\nSo is every company in the world. Grown up stuff.", ">\n\nEvery company in the world is not being sued. That's just silly.", ">\n\nThis headline could've been \"Twitter accused of unlawful staff firings in the UK\" and held the same meaning.", ">\n\nHe spent a lot of money buying it, least we can do is give him the credit for it.", ">\n\nOk honestly has anything gone right for him since buying Twitter? I haven't liked the guy in ages but it is pretty astonishing just how many bad decisions this many has managed to create in just a few months.", ">\n\nReally? Whoda thunk it?", ">\n\nCan someone EILI5. Why do these people keep saying, \"I lost trust in the company\"...The company? what company? This was 100% Elon Musk, Not Twitter's board of directors making the decision. If Elon steps down and replaces the head of twitter, Are they still going to have lost trust in the company? If someone with 60b walked in and bought any business and started doing this, You would lose trust in ANY company no matter who it was? that makes no sense to me.", ">\n\nThis dipshit just can't help but run twitter into the ground. Fucking loser", ">\n\nThey could take him to the cleaners but he fired all those as well" ]

[ "I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.", ">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever", ">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.", ">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.", ">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.", ">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.", ">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.", ">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently", ">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.", ">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.", ">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).", ">\n\nThe team has advised him, that's why he fired them.", ">\n\nHis ongoing propensity to fire anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t meet his demands does not engender a high level of confidence in the products he produces. \nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success, his business practices are exposing much to be concerned about with regard to unwise and corner cutting decisions that could have significant safety and other broad public interest implications.", ">\n\n\nWhile his space program and electric vehicle production has enjoyed a great deal of success\n\nI feel like this has always been in spite of Musk, not because of him.", ">\n\nSpeaking on the space program, I didn’t directly work with SpaceX but I did work within human space flight. Some of my colleagues did however work on providing government oversight on the SpaceX crewed missions and the consensus was that they had nowhere near the necessary rigorous verification procedures needed for human space flight when they first won the crewed mission contracts. \nThey had big issues with technically minded engineers both working on the spacecraft systems and managing schedule and budgets. That’s a big no-no since it can lead to the people responsible for the safe and nominal performance of the vehicle to feel like they can’t raise issues because of the impact that could have on schedule and budget. A heavy lesson we learned from Challenger. And SpaceX did so to cut costs. \nIn a way, the crewed mission contracts with Nasa may have saved SpaceX from a disaster by changing the required oversight on the projects to meet our human space flight standards. \nSo, you’re on the money. It’s in spite of Elon they’ve been successful.", ">\n\nI always thought it was a matter of time before one of the manned flights fail terribly - and given SpaceX's propensity to court the wealthy and the famous, it would be big news for a number of reasons.\nYou just firmed up my assumption of this future tragedy.", ">\n\nI think NASA has done a good job of changing some of that culture so far by providing oversight on the crewed missions but there is the risk of SpaceX slipping back into cost cutting if they decide to try to do it alone without nasa input.\nPrime example is the first launch of the Falcon 1 rocket. It failed on ascent because SpaceX purchased and installed nuts on the vehicle that didn’t have the required corrosion resistance but were slightly cheaper on the order of $0.82 per nut vs $1.26 per nut. (I’m estimating so take the actual values with a grain of salt). Corrosion occurred on a fuel line nut from seawater spray and caused a fuel leak leading to the failure.\nThey’ve come a long way since then by us improving their quality assurance and verification but there is a risk of slipping back to old ways.", ">\n\nCrossing my fingers for the best, then!", ">\n\nI worked for an extremely large American company in ireland for a few years.\nOne of the guys on my team was not very good, lazy and execs hated him.\nHR met with the guy and basically told him he’s fired. He replied “no”. He knew eu employment law better than they did.\n2 years later and multiple PIPs later, they paid him to leave.", ">\n\nWhy were they not able to fire him if he had poor performance and was lazy? Overzealous laws at that point", ">\n\nTheres a process that needs to be followed. Basically the company needs to prove that the guy is not performing.\nAnd that takes the shape of performance improvement plans. Basically setting goals for the employee to meet, and if theyre not met, then he can be fired.\nBut if he constantly meets the bare minimum goals you set, then you cant fire him.\nBear in mind this was a mix of execs not liking the guy AND the guy being lazy.\nEdit: these laws are put in place to prevent exactly the twitter exec payoffs “for cause” to prevent bonus/severance payouts", ">\n\nI get both sides, we've all worked with lazy people that annoy us, and it seems crazy for a company not to be able to fire them, but you're right on why it's in place to prevent people from being fired for bad reasons\nbut no one has a problem with a CEO running a company in the ground and getting a multi million dollar payout to leave. that, people think is reasonable and don't complain about", ">\n\nI don’t know which people you’re talking about, everybody i know thinks golden handshake terminations are bullshit.", ">\n\nbut it happens every day and people accept it and do nothing\ndemand legal changes? nah, we'll just beat the social issue drum 24/7", ">\n\nBy that logic people are also fine with the rich not paying there taxes because it happens every year and we \"do nothing\". Do you believe that too?", ">\n\nproof is in the pudding\none party even defends them not paying taxes and calls them smart", ">\n\nSo what your saying is if there isn't a law passed on it then everyone clearly doesn't care about it? Does that also extend to school shootings? Or are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.", ">\n\nno, I'm saying if people are not demanding change on a topic, they don't care about it very much\npull up presidential debates, party platforms, golden parachute reform is not on either of the two major party platforms, it's only on smaller fringe groups you see it. \n\nOr are you gonna realize how brain dead you sound.\n\nyou are adding a lot of your own commentary to my statements to make me sound extreme", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin", ">\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\nPoint is, unlimited resources against them, they can't just drag it out and settle, and until they are finished, they are a stain on the share price.", ">\n\n\nNot just lawsuits, criminal proceedings. It's not a civil matter AFAIK, the UK gov is the plaintiff.\n\nThe first few lines of OP's article make the exact opposite claim. These are all civil lawsuits and this law firm is representing the plaintiffs.", ">\n\nThis is a certified Reddit moment then. I admit to have never read the article, and got my comment upvoted by four dozen people who have done the same.\nThanks for pointing it out!", ">\n\nNo worries man, I've done the exact same thing, lol.", ">\n\nIt is a time honored Reddit tradition to only read the submission headline and jump straight into the comments, usually with seething outrage. Don't worry, you're just starting to fit in with the rest of us.", ">\n\nThis isn't exclusive to Twitter. Every American company I've worked for falls afoul of these rules and regulations. They always think they'll win in court too, and then get surprise pikachu face when UK/EU courts rule in favour of their citizens rather than the big Tech company. The funny part is, whilst very pro-employee, the rules are incredibly easy to navigate. You just have to actually attempt to follow the process.", ">\n\nIt's amazing that an email that says \"click here within 48 hours or it means you resign\" is legal in any country.", ">\n\nI would literally hit the report phishing email button.\nWe have clients who report the reminder to for their phishing training courses. I love writing back: \"Soz mate but you're not getting out of this one that easy\"", ">\n\nLol, phishing was my first thought, too. Twice or so a month, my company sends practice fake phishes with the indicators we were trained to look for (pretending to be from the company but actually an external address, inflated sense of urgency, link with a suspicious URL, etc.) and it's honestly kinda fun to use the report phish button and get the \"Yep, that was fake as shit\" confirmation.", ">\n\nWe use KnowB4, really good, thousands of templates in dozens of languages. We do monthly campaigns, select a few templates, obs they're bypassing the spam filter, doesn't even show up there (first indicator if someone reports span for us to know it's training) and they look so super legit too it's ridiculous.\nGreat resource, we include it in the contract for all our clients and send reports monthly to CTOs.", ">\n\nTwitter poll incoming:\n\"Should I hire back all the staff I illegally fired in the UK? I will abide by the results of this poll.\"", ">\n\nAnyone else find it amusing that Elon made a big stink about bots on the platform and then proceeded to make major decisions via a poll that could easily be manipulated with bots?", ">\n\nThe polls were never going to guide his actions anyway, he did it for attention and validation", ">\n\nRemember that time he didn't get the results he wanted from a poll so he made another one and still got the same result", ">\n\nIts always fun watching American companies realise they cant get away with their usual crap in Europe.", ">\n\nI kind of wish someone would hold American companies responsible in America", ">\n\nIt’s too late, the corporations pay our elected legislators to not to. The only way any change will ever happen in this country is a unified general strike.\nWon’t happen either, because I couldn’t even type the word unified with a straight face in the context of the American populace", ">\n\nGuess he learned not to fuck around in countries that actually protect their workers. Better stick to mistreating the US branches.", ">\n\nElon Musk is abusing Visa workers in the US. These people can't quit without having to leave the country. Meanwhile he's cutting fundamental services like janitorial staff. Which means employees have to bring their own toilet paper or do the job of the fired custodians.\nHe's also demanding 80 hour or more weeks. meanwhile he takes 1 or 2 photoops of being at the office at 3am and the muskrats are jizzing in their pants at what a hard worker he is. But he's probably there twice a month while his workers are there 7 days a week.", ">\n\nQuick, Elon, call them pedophiles!", ">\n\nIt's the only reasonable response, really.", ">\n\nPootin and Elon Musk really hit the red self destruction button and gunning it, Pootin worse than Musk I can give Musk that lmao.\nMusk will always be a wealthy SOB no matter what he does.\nPootin may get gaddafied.", ">\n\nShocked, shocked I tell you", ">\n\nCan the EU force the dissolution of Twitter?", ">\n\nI love it when US companies get shanked by employment laws in the free world.", ">\n\nHahahaha was he one of those idiots who thinks the whole world is america while not realizing other countries have vastly diff labour laws... ahhhh the GOOF", ">\n\nHe also insulted advertisers that were leaving Twitter in light of Elon taking over. Not the right move. lol", ">\n\nThis dude just be fumbling over everything that's wild.", ">\n\n“Accused.”\nHe’s been unlawfully firing people since his first day and had barely hid it", ">\n\nElon once again proving he has america-brain and doesn't have a solid understanding of laws in inherently countries where Twitter offices are located.", ">\n\nHear that people \"American brain\" South Africa has nothing to do with this", ">\n\nAs far as I'm concerned elon has basically self-revoked his South African heritage and has fully embraced right wing north American conservatism.", ">\n\nSo you're saying this has nothing to do with his parents owning an apartheid-era emerald mine?", ">\n\nThe fact that he comes from wealth has lead him to this point- that his parents owned an emerald mine specifically might not be a factor. He could have come from any kind of wealth and still ended at this point because of the fact that he's an idiot.", ">\n\nGive it another year or two of the tories stripping away workers rights and he’ll be good to go", ">\n\nMaybe firing the legal people because they weren't just yes men who told you what you wanted to hear wasn't a good idea after all.", ">\n\nUhg. I hate it when our best potential for a Bond villain turns out to be a rude spoiled brat.", ">\n\nThis is not news. Let me know if Elon Musk’s Twitter is ever accused of doing something lawful. My notifications will be on", ">\n\nYawn... company was losing money = bye bye", ">\n\nNot too bright on Musk’s end (treating all countries employment standards as the same) but I’d like to ask: \nWhat happened to “private companies can do what they want”? I distinctly remember hearing this frequently over the past 10 years in North America. Now, it’s an issue? (Specifically speaking to Musk firing in NA. I understand EU is a whole ‘nother ball game)", ">\n\nTwitter simply doesn’t have the revenue to service it’s debt and meet all of the financial obligations for payroll and severance (because Musk saddled the company with 100million/month in debt servicing obligations.) Their strategy is to postpone paying as much as they can until they are either able to increase revenue or they go bankrupt.\nIt will end in bankruptcy. He’s grinding Twitter into a hellscape. The character of the content has already changed dramatically and the only people who advertise are basically late night infomercial types. Yesterday I saw an ad for - I swear to god - “miracle gutter repair tape.”\nThe main asset Twitter had was the userbase with the highest socioeconomic status of all social media companies. That is now changing as former users spend less time on the site and premium brands are no longer interested in being associated with it. Given the continued devolution of the content I don’t expect them to return. It turns out the liberals he seems to hate so much are also those with the highest level of education and income. \nBankruptcy is on the horizon. I mean they aren’t even paying rent in their office space. So yea, that’s not a great sign.", ">\n\nUgh we really need better worker protections in the US. Companies can do anything they want to US employees but other countries seem to have better protections. Sad.", ">\n\nI wish we protected our employees here like the do in Europe.", ">\n\nNothing surprising here. Elon's doing so many firings that he does not care if he is sued.", ">\n\nThis isn't news, this is common knowledge.", ">\n\nStupid cunt thinks the shambolic employment laws in America apply to the other countries where twitter has an office.", ">\n\nIt’s almost as if Musk doesn’t understand labor laws and rights are different in other countries….", ">\n\nLet the lawsuits begin. He is about to learn the hard way, that outside of AMERICA, there are rules, regulations and laws, you cant just go fire or do whatever you want. I know, its insane.", ">\n\nGood. Because they are more likely to do something in the UK than in the US", ">\n\nLol have you seen how the UK legal system treats the privileged?", ">\n\nYes. But have you seen how the US does? Not saying the UK is that great, we are just that much worse over here.", ">\n\nI suppose our previous leader didn't quite attempt a coup so I guess you guys win that one. Let's see whether Johnson or Trump get re-elected though", ">\n\nLet’s hope not. We have both endured enough of their malarkey.", ">\n\nJohnson was seriously considered by some people as the next PM in the last rotation of the Downing Street revolving door", ">\n\nSuch a different tone than Jack Dorsey’s Twitter. Oh wait. No one refers to a company like that.", ">\n\nArrest, prosecute, and jail", ">\n\nThe remedy is civil so I don’t see that happening.", ">\n\nJust the cost of doing business.", ">\n\nSo is every company in the world. Grown up stuff.", ">\n\nEvery company in the world is not being sued. That's just silly.", ">\n\nThis headline could've been \"Twitter accused of unlawful staff firings in the UK\" and held the same meaning.", ">\n\nHe spent a lot of money buying it, least we can do is give him the credit for it.", ">\n\nOk honestly has anything gone right for him since buying Twitter? I haven't liked the guy in ages but it is pretty astonishing just how many bad decisions this many has managed to create in just a few months.", ">\n\nReally? Whoda thunk it?", ">\n\nCan someone EILI5. Why do these people keep saying, \"I lost trust in the company\"...The company? what company? This was 100% Elon Musk, Not Twitter's board of directors making the decision. If Elon steps down and replaces the head of twitter, Are they still going to have lost trust in the company? If someone with 60b walked in and bought any business and started doing this, You would lose trust in ANY company no matter who it was? that makes no sense to me.", ">\n\nThis dipshit just can't help but run twitter into the ground. Fucking loser", ">\n\nThey could take him to the cleaners but he fired all those as well", ">\n\nJust 1 of many unlawful things Elon might have done over there. 😬" ]

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[ "Just about every rightwing sub on reddit proves this headline true." ]

[ "Just about every rightwing sub on reddit proves this headline true.", ">\n\n“I have PROOF that Hunter Biden cheated on a math test in high school! Finally we can impeach the president!”" ]

[ "Just about every rightwing sub on reddit proves this headline true.", ">\n\n“I have PROOF that Hunter Biden cheated on a math test in high school! Finally we can impeach the president!”", ">\n\n“He wrote the answers on his erect penis. The proof is on his laptop!”" ]

[ "Just about every rightwing sub on reddit proves this headline true.", ">\n\n“I have PROOF that Hunter Biden cheated on a math test in high school! Finally we can impeach the president!”", ">\n\n“He wrote the answers on his erect penis. The proof is on his laptop!”", ">\n\n\"Where'd you hear that?\"\n\"Do yOuR OwN ReSeArCh\"" ]

[ "Just about every rightwing sub on reddit proves this headline true.", ">\n\n“I have PROOF that Hunter Biden cheated on a math test in high school! Finally we can impeach the president!”", ">\n\n“He wrote the answers on his erect penis. The proof is on his laptop!”", ">\n\n\"Where'd you hear that?\"\n\"Do yOuR OwN ReSeArCh\"", ">\n\n“gO lOoK aT yOuR oWn DiCkPiCs!!1!”" ]

[ "Just about every rightwing sub on reddit proves this headline true.", ">\n\n“I have PROOF that Hunter Biden cheated on a math test in high school! Finally we can impeach the president!”", ">\n\n“He wrote the answers on his erect penis. The proof is on his laptop!”", ">\n\n\"Where'd you hear that?\"\n\"Do yOuR OwN ReSeArCh\"", ">\n\n“gO lOoK aT yOuR oWn DiCkPiCs!!1!”", ">\n\nThat headline 😂" ]

[ "Just about every rightwing sub on reddit proves this headline true.", ">\n\n“I have PROOF that Hunter Biden cheated on a math test in high school! Finally we can impeach the president!”", ">\n\n“He wrote the answers on his erect penis. The proof is on his laptop!”", ">\n\n\"Where'd you hear that?\"\n\"Do yOuR OwN ReSeArCh\"", ">\n\n“gO lOoK aT yOuR oWn DiCkPiCs!!1!”", ">\n\nThat headline 😂", ">\n\nAnd the tag line: \"See a doctor if your state of laptop arousal lasts longer than two years.\"" ]

[ "Just about every rightwing sub on reddit proves this headline true.", ">\n\n“I have PROOF that Hunter Biden cheated on a math test in high school! Finally we can impeach the president!”", ">\n\n“He wrote the answers on his erect penis. The proof is on his laptop!”", ">\n\n\"Where'd you hear that?\"\n\"Do yOuR OwN ReSeArCh\"", ">\n\n“gO lOoK aT yOuR oWn DiCkPiCs!!1!”", ">\n\nThat headline 😂", ">\n\nAnd the tag line: \"See a doctor if your state of laptop arousal lasts longer than two years.\"", ">\n\nthey do call it a hard drive" ]

[ "Just about every rightwing sub on reddit proves this headline true.", ">\n\n“I have PROOF that Hunter Biden cheated on a math test in high school! Finally we can impeach the president!”", ">\n\n“He wrote the answers on his erect penis. The proof is on his laptop!”", ">\n\n\"Where'd you hear that?\"\n\"Do yOuR OwN ReSeArCh\"", ">\n\n“gO lOoK aT yOuR oWn DiCkPiCs!!1!”", ">\n\nThat headline 😂", ">\n\nAnd the tag line: \"See a doctor if your state of laptop arousal lasts longer than two years.\"", ">\n\nthey do call it a hard drive", ">\n\nFor Republicans - it's 3 1/2 inch floppy." ]

[ "Just about every rightwing sub on reddit proves this headline true.", ">\n\n“I have PROOF that Hunter Biden cheated on a math test in high school! Finally we can impeach the president!”", ">\n\n“He wrote the answers on his erect penis. The proof is on his laptop!”", ">\n\n\"Where'd you hear that?\"\n\"Do yOuR OwN ReSeArCh\"", ">\n\n“gO lOoK aT yOuR oWn DiCkPiCs!!1!”", ">\n\nThat headline 😂", ">\n\nAnd the tag line: \"See a doctor if your state of laptop arousal lasts longer than two years.\"", ">\n\nthey do call it a hard drive", ">\n\nFor Republicans - it's 3 1/2 inch floppy.", ">\n\nLet's be honest, it's a microdisk" ]

[ "Just about every rightwing sub on reddit proves this headline true.", ">\n\n“I have PROOF that Hunter Biden cheated on a math test in high school! Finally we can impeach the president!”", ">\n\n“He wrote the answers on his erect penis. The proof is on his laptop!”", ">\n\n\"Where'd you hear that?\"\n\"Do yOuR OwN ReSeArCh\"", ">\n\n“gO lOoK aT yOuR oWn DiCkPiCs!!1!”", ">\n\nThat headline 😂", ">\n\nAnd the tag line: \"See a doctor if your state of laptop arousal lasts longer than two years.\"", ">\n\nthey do call it a hard drive", ">\n\nFor Republicans - it's 3 1/2 inch floppy.", ">\n\nLet's be honest, it's a microdisk", ">\n\nA defective one." ]

[ "Just about every rightwing sub on reddit proves this headline true.", ">\n\n“I have PROOF that Hunter Biden cheated on a math test in high school! Finally we can impeach the president!”", ">\n\n“He wrote the answers on his erect penis. The proof is on his laptop!”", ">\n\n\"Where'd you hear that?\"\n\"Do yOuR OwN ReSeArCh\"", ">\n\n“gO lOoK aT yOuR oWn DiCkPiCs!!1!”", ">\n\nThat headline 😂", ">\n\nAnd the tag line: \"See a doctor if your state of laptop arousal lasts longer than two years.\"", ">\n\nthey do call it a hard drive", ">\n\nFor Republicans - it's 3 1/2 inch floppy.", ">\n\nLet's be honest, it's a microdisk", ">\n\nA defective one.", ">\n\nWith a virus" ]

[ "Just about every rightwing sub on reddit proves this headline true.", ">\n\n“I have PROOF that Hunter Biden cheated on a math test in high school! Finally we can impeach the president!”", ">\n\n“He wrote the answers on his erect penis. The proof is on his laptop!”", ">\n\n\"Where'd you hear that?\"\n\"Do yOuR OwN ReSeArCh\"", ">\n\n“gO lOoK aT yOuR oWn DiCkPiCs!!1!”", ">\n\nThat headline 😂", ">\n\nAnd the tag line: \"See a doctor if your state of laptop arousal lasts longer than two years.\"", ">\n\nthey do call it a hard drive", ">\n\nFor Republicans - it's 3 1/2 inch floppy.", ">\n\nLet's be honest, it's a microdisk", ">\n\nA defective one.", ">\n\nWith a virus", ">\n\nNever would think a bunch of decrepit men would put so much effort into trying to find pictures of penises" ]