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[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s" ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?" ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk" ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s" ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one." ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)" ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions" ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life." ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?" ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?" ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly." ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents." ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality" ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states" ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states", ">\n\nThey are also marked as HOV lanes, at least in SoCal." ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states", ">\n\nThey are also marked as HOV lanes, at least in SoCal.", ">\n\nWhat if it’s in a jar asking for a friend." ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states", ">\n\nThey are also marked as HOV lanes, at least in SoCal.", ">\n\nWhat if it’s in a jar asking for a friend.", ">\n\nDoes this mean that you can take out life insurance on fertilized cells, and then collect when only one of them implant? Based." ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states", ">\n\nThey are also marked as HOV lanes, at least in SoCal.", ">\n\nWhat if it’s in a jar asking for a friend.", ">\n\nDoes this mean that you can take out life insurance on fertilized cells, and then collect when only one of them implant? Based.", ">\n\nProbably doable, but the premium is likely to be prohibitive." ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states", ">\n\nThey are also marked as HOV lanes, at least in SoCal.", ">\n\nWhat if it’s in a jar asking for a friend.", ">\n\nDoes this mean that you can take out life insurance on fertilized cells, and then collect when only one of them implant? Based.", ">\n\nProbably doable, but the premium is likely to be prohibitive.", ">\n\nWouldn’t this also require them to sit in back with some sort of booster seat?" ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states", ">\n\nThey are also marked as HOV lanes, at least in SoCal.", ">\n\nWhat if it’s in a jar asking for a friend.", ">\n\nDoes this mean that you can take out life insurance on fertilized cells, and then collect when only one of them implant? Based.", ">\n\nProbably doable, but the premium is likely to be prohibitive.", ">\n\nWouldn’t this also require them to sit in back with some sort of booster seat?", ">\n\nWhy is this so hard. You should only be qualified for things like HOV lanes if at least one or more passengers is a currently licensed and insured driver. There is no point in children or anyone else who cannot drive a car qualifying since they have to be driven around anyway and do not have the option of adding another car onto the road." ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states", ">\n\nThey are also marked as HOV lanes, at least in SoCal.", ">\n\nWhat if it’s in a jar asking for a friend.", ">\n\nDoes this mean that you can take out life insurance on fertilized cells, and then collect when only one of them implant? Based.", ">\n\nProbably doable, but the premium is likely to be prohibitive.", ">\n\nWouldn’t this also require them to sit in back with some sort of booster seat?", ">\n\nWhy is this so hard. You should only be qualified for things like HOV lanes if at least one or more passengers is a currently licensed and insured driver. There is no point in children or anyone else who cannot drive a car qualifying since they have to be driven around anyway and do not have the option of adding another car onto the road.", ">\n\nWhy stop there can we carpool with a cup of semen?" ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states", ">\n\nThey are also marked as HOV lanes, at least in SoCal.", ">\n\nWhat if it’s in a jar asking for a friend.", ">\n\nDoes this mean that you can take out life insurance on fertilized cells, and then collect when only one of them implant? Based.", ">\n\nProbably doable, but the premium is likely to be prohibitive.", ">\n\nWouldn’t this also require them to sit in back with some sort of booster seat?", ">\n\nWhy is this so hard. You should only be qualified for things like HOV lanes if at least one or more passengers is a currently licensed and insured driver. There is no point in children or anyone else who cannot drive a car qualifying since they have to be driven around anyway and do not have the option of adding another car onto the road.", ">\n\nWhy stop there can we carpool with a cup of semen?", ">\n\nYeah this should be easy peasy to enforce." ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states", ">\n\nThey are also marked as HOV lanes, at least in SoCal.", ">\n\nWhat if it’s in a jar asking for a friend.", ">\n\nDoes this mean that you can take out life insurance on fertilized cells, and then collect when only one of them implant? Based.", ">\n\nProbably doable, but the premium is likely to be prohibitive.", ">\n\nWouldn’t this also require them to sit in back with some sort of booster seat?", ">\n\nWhy is this so hard. You should only be qualified for things like HOV lanes if at least one or more passengers is a currently licensed and insured driver. There is no point in children or anyone else who cannot drive a car qualifying since they have to be driven around anyway and do not have the option of adding another car onto the road.", ">\n\nWhy stop there can we carpool with a cup of semen?", ">\n\nYeah this should be easy peasy to enforce.", ">\n\nThis is just too much governing. Too many laws." ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states", ">\n\nThey are also marked as HOV lanes, at least in SoCal.", ">\n\nWhat if it’s in a jar asking for a friend.", ">\n\nDoes this mean that you can take out life insurance on fertilized cells, and then collect when only one of them implant? Based.", ">\n\nProbably doable, but the premium is likely to be prohibitive.", ">\n\nWouldn’t this also require them to sit in back with some sort of booster seat?", ">\n\nWhy is this so hard. You should only be qualified for things like HOV lanes if at least one or more passengers is a currently licensed and insured driver. There is no point in children or anyone else who cannot drive a car qualifying since they have to be driven around anyway and do not have the option of adding another car onto the road.", ">\n\nWhy stop there can we carpool with a cup of semen?", ">\n\nYeah this should be easy peasy to enforce.", ">\n\nThis is just too much governing. Too many laws.", ">\n\nHey, fetuses gotta get to work too... Those bootstraps don't pull themselves" ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states", ">\n\nThey are also marked as HOV lanes, at least in SoCal.", ">\n\nWhat if it’s in a jar asking for a friend.", ">\n\nDoes this mean that you can take out life insurance on fertilized cells, and then collect when only one of them implant? Based.", ">\n\nProbably doable, but the premium is likely to be prohibitive.", ">\n\nWouldn’t this also require them to sit in back with some sort of booster seat?", ">\n\nWhy is this so hard. You should only be qualified for things like HOV lanes if at least one or more passengers is a currently licensed and insured driver. There is no point in children or anyone else who cannot drive a car qualifying since they have to be driven around anyway and do not have the option of adding another car onto the road.", ">\n\nWhy stop there can we carpool with a cup of semen?", ">\n\nYeah this should be easy peasy to enforce.", ">\n\nThis is just too much governing. Too many laws.", ">\n\nHey, fetuses gotta get to work too... Those bootstraps don't pull themselves", ">\n\nPresumably it’s illegal for children under a certain age to ride in a car without a seatbelt or car seat. So an implied extension of this law would mean any pregnant woman who gets into a car is guilty of child endangerment, no? If a fetus is a person then they are by definition under the age where a car seat would be legally required. I’d love to see this logic circle played out on the house floor." ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states", ">\n\nThey are also marked as HOV lanes, at least in SoCal.", ">\n\nWhat if it’s in a jar asking for a friend.", ">\n\nDoes this mean that you can take out life insurance on fertilized cells, and then collect when only one of them implant? Based.", ">\n\nProbably doable, but the premium is likely to be prohibitive.", ">\n\nWouldn’t this also require them to sit in back with some sort of booster seat?", ">\n\nWhy is this so hard. You should only be qualified for things like HOV lanes if at least one or more passengers is a currently licensed and insured driver. There is no point in children or anyone else who cannot drive a car qualifying since they have to be driven around anyway and do not have the option of adding another car onto the road.", ">\n\nWhy stop there can we carpool with a cup of semen?", ">\n\nYeah this should be easy peasy to enforce.", ">\n\nThis is just too much governing. Too many laws.", ">\n\nHey, fetuses gotta get to work too... Those bootstraps don't pull themselves", ">\n\nPresumably it’s illegal for children under a certain age to ride in a car without a seatbelt or car seat. So an implied extension of this law would mean any pregnant woman who gets into a car is guilty of child endangerment, no? If a fetus is a person then they are by definition under the age where a car seat would be legally required. I’d love to see this logic circle played out on the house floor.", ">\n\nSoooooo they want pregnant women on a registry. And what happens if she doesn't give birth? Where does that information go? Will she get a knock on the door from the popo if there's a miscarriage?\nThe government doesn't need to know who's pregnant. \nNice try Republicans" ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states", ">\n\nThey are also marked as HOV lanes, at least in SoCal.", ">\n\nWhat if it’s in a jar asking for a friend.", ">\n\nDoes this mean that you can take out life insurance on fertilized cells, and then collect when only one of them implant? Based.", ">\n\nProbably doable, but the premium is likely to be prohibitive.", ">\n\nWouldn’t this also require them to sit in back with some sort of booster seat?", ">\n\nWhy is this so hard. You should only be qualified for things like HOV lanes if at least one or more passengers is a currently licensed and insured driver. There is no point in children or anyone else who cannot drive a car qualifying since they have to be driven around anyway and do not have the option of adding another car onto the road.", ">\n\nWhy stop there can we carpool with a cup of semen?", ">\n\nYeah this should be easy peasy to enforce.", ">\n\nThis is just too much governing. Too many laws.", ">\n\nHey, fetuses gotta get to work too... Those bootstraps don't pull themselves", ">\n\nPresumably it’s illegal for children under a certain age to ride in a car without a seatbelt or car seat. So an implied extension of this law would mean any pregnant woman who gets into a car is guilty of child endangerment, no? If a fetus is a person then they are by definition under the age where a car seat would be legally required. I’d love to see this logic circle played out on the house floor.", ">\n\nSoooooo they want pregnant women on a registry. And what happens if she doesn't give birth? Where does that information go? Will she get a knock on the door from the popo if there's a miscarriage?\nThe government doesn't need to know who's pregnant. \nNice try Republicans", ">\n\nSo do Republicans actually think they're making the world a better place or do they like playing Evil Mastermind?" ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states", ">\n\nThey are also marked as HOV lanes, at least in SoCal.", ">\n\nWhat if it’s in a jar asking for a friend.", ">\n\nDoes this mean that you can take out life insurance on fertilized cells, and then collect when only one of them implant? Based.", ">\n\nProbably doable, but the premium is likely to be prohibitive.", ">\n\nWouldn’t this also require them to sit in back with some sort of booster seat?", ">\n\nWhy is this so hard. You should only be qualified for things like HOV lanes if at least one or more passengers is a currently licensed and insured driver. There is no point in children or anyone else who cannot drive a car qualifying since they have to be driven around anyway and do not have the option of adding another car onto the road.", ">\n\nWhy stop there can we carpool with a cup of semen?", ">\n\nYeah this should be easy peasy to enforce.", ">\n\nThis is just too much governing. Too many laws.", ">\n\nHey, fetuses gotta get to work too... Those bootstraps don't pull themselves", ">\n\nPresumably it’s illegal for children under a certain age to ride in a car without a seatbelt or car seat. So an implied extension of this law would mean any pregnant woman who gets into a car is guilty of child endangerment, no? If a fetus is a person then they are by definition under the age where a car seat would be legally required. I’d love to see this logic circle played out on the house floor.", ">\n\nSoooooo they want pregnant women on a registry. And what happens if she doesn't give birth? Where does that information go? Will she get a knock on the door from the popo if there's a miscarriage?\nThe government doesn't need to know who's pregnant. \nNice try Republicans", ">\n\nSo do Republicans actually think they're making the world a better place or do they like playing Evil Mastermind?", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nSneaky fuckers" ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states", ">\n\nThey are also marked as HOV lanes, at least in SoCal.", ">\n\nWhat if it’s in a jar asking for a friend.", ">\n\nDoes this mean that you can take out life insurance on fertilized cells, and then collect when only one of them implant? Based.", ">\n\nProbably doable, but the premium is likely to be prohibitive.", ">\n\nWouldn’t this also require them to sit in back with some sort of booster seat?", ">\n\nWhy is this so hard. You should only be qualified for things like HOV lanes if at least one or more passengers is a currently licensed and insured driver. There is no point in children or anyone else who cannot drive a car qualifying since they have to be driven around anyway and do not have the option of adding another car onto the road.", ">\n\nWhy stop there can we carpool with a cup of semen?", ">\n\nYeah this should be easy peasy to enforce.", ">\n\nThis is just too much governing. Too many laws.", ">\n\nHey, fetuses gotta get to work too... Those bootstraps don't pull themselves", ">\n\nPresumably it’s illegal for children under a certain age to ride in a car without a seatbelt or car seat. So an implied extension of this law would mean any pregnant woman who gets into a car is guilty of child endangerment, no? If a fetus is a person then they are by definition under the age where a car seat would be legally required. I’d love to see this logic circle played out on the house floor.", ">\n\nSoooooo they want pregnant women on a registry. And what happens if she doesn't give birth? Where does that information go? Will she get a knock on the door from the popo if there's a miscarriage?\nThe government doesn't need to know who's pregnant. \nNice try Republicans", ">\n\nSo do Republicans actually think they're making the world a better place or do they like playing Evil Mastermind?", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nSneaky fuckers", ">\n\nAt what point does fetushood begin in the proposed bill?" ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states", ">\n\nThey are also marked as HOV lanes, at least in SoCal.", ">\n\nWhat if it’s in a jar asking for a friend.", ">\n\nDoes this mean that you can take out life insurance on fertilized cells, and then collect when only one of them implant? Based.", ">\n\nProbably doable, but the premium is likely to be prohibitive.", ">\n\nWouldn’t this also require them to sit in back with some sort of booster seat?", ">\n\nWhy is this so hard. You should only be qualified for things like HOV lanes if at least one or more passengers is a currently licensed and insured driver. There is no point in children or anyone else who cannot drive a car qualifying since they have to be driven around anyway and do not have the option of adding another car onto the road.", ">\n\nWhy stop there can we carpool with a cup of semen?", ">\n\nYeah this should be easy peasy to enforce.", ">\n\nThis is just too much governing. Too many laws.", ">\n\nHey, fetuses gotta get to work too... Those bootstraps don't pull themselves", ">\n\nPresumably it’s illegal for children under a certain age to ride in a car without a seatbelt or car seat. So an implied extension of this law would mean any pregnant woman who gets into a car is guilty of child endangerment, no? If a fetus is a person then they are by definition under the age where a car seat would be legally required. I’d love to see this logic circle played out on the house floor.", ">\n\nSoooooo they want pregnant women on a registry. And what happens if she doesn't give birth? Where does that information go? Will she get a knock on the door from the popo if there's a miscarriage?\nThe government doesn't need to know who's pregnant. \nNice try Republicans", ">\n\nSo do Republicans actually think they're making the world a better place or do they like playing Evil Mastermind?", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nSneaky fuckers", ">\n\nAt what point does fetushood begin in the proposed bill?", ">\n\nYes, the fetus is a valued human UNTIL it is born in Virginia. Then, who cares." ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states", ">\n\nThey are also marked as HOV lanes, at least in SoCal.", ">\n\nWhat if it’s in a jar asking for a friend.", ">\n\nDoes this mean that you can take out life insurance on fertilized cells, and then collect when only one of them implant? Based.", ">\n\nProbably doable, but the premium is likely to be prohibitive.", ">\n\nWouldn’t this also require them to sit in back with some sort of booster seat?", ">\n\nWhy is this so hard. You should only be qualified for things like HOV lanes if at least one or more passengers is a currently licensed and insured driver. There is no point in children or anyone else who cannot drive a car qualifying since they have to be driven around anyway and do not have the option of adding another car onto the road.", ">\n\nWhy stop there can we carpool with a cup of semen?", ">\n\nYeah this should be easy peasy to enforce.", ">\n\nThis is just too much governing. Too many laws.", ">\n\nHey, fetuses gotta get to work too... Those bootstraps don't pull themselves", ">\n\nPresumably it’s illegal for children under a certain age to ride in a car without a seatbelt or car seat. So an implied extension of this law would mean any pregnant woman who gets into a car is guilty of child endangerment, no? If a fetus is a person then they are by definition under the age where a car seat would be legally required. I’d love to see this logic circle played out on the house floor.", ">\n\nSoooooo they want pregnant women on a registry. And what happens if she doesn't give birth? Where does that information go? Will she get a knock on the door from the popo if there's a miscarriage?\nThe government doesn't need to know who's pregnant. \nNice try Republicans", ">\n\nSo do Republicans actually think they're making the world a better place or do they like playing Evil Mastermind?", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nSneaky fuckers", ">\n\nAt what point does fetushood begin in the proposed bill?", ">\n\nYes, the fetus is a valued human UNTIL it is born in Virginia. Then, who cares.", ">\n\nRidiculous" ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states", ">\n\nThey are also marked as HOV lanes, at least in SoCal.", ">\n\nWhat if it’s in a jar asking for a friend.", ">\n\nDoes this mean that you can take out life insurance on fertilized cells, and then collect when only one of them implant? Based.", ">\n\nProbably doable, but the premium is likely to be prohibitive.", ">\n\nWouldn’t this also require them to sit in back with some sort of booster seat?", ">\n\nWhy is this so hard. You should only be qualified for things like HOV lanes if at least one or more passengers is a currently licensed and insured driver. There is no point in children or anyone else who cannot drive a car qualifying since they have to be driven around anyway and do not have the option of adding another car onto the road.", ">\n\nWhy stop there can we carpool with a cup of semen?", ">\n\nYeah this should be easy peasy to enforce.", ">\n\nThis is just too much governing. Too many laws.", ">\n\nHey, fetuses gotta get to work too... Those bootstraps don't pull themselves", ">\n\nPresumably it’s illegal for children under a certain age to ride in a car without a seatbelt or car seat. So an implied extension of this law would mean any pregnant woman who gets into a car is guilty of child endangerment, no? If a fetus is a person then they are by definition under the age where a car seat would be legally required. I’d love to see this logic circle played out on the house floor.", ">\n\nSoooooo they want pregnant women on a registry. And what happens if she doesn't give birth? Where does that information go? Will she get a knock on the door from the popo if there's a miscarriage?\nThe government doesn't need to know who's pregnant. \nNice try Republicans", ">\n\nSo do Republicans actually think they're making the world a better place or do they like playing Evil Mastermind?", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nSneaky fuckers", ">\n\nAt what point does fetushood begin in the proposed bill?", ">\n\nYes, the fetus is a valued human UNTIL it is born in Virginia. Then, who cares.", ">\n\nRidiculous", ">\n\nYou have to register with the state that you're pregnant, and wear the provided red hood and cloak while driving..." ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states", ">\n\nThey are also marked as HOV lanes, at least in SoCal.", ">\n\nWhat if it’s in a jar asking for a friend.", ">\n\nDoes this mean that you can take out life insurance on fertilized cells, and then collect when only one of them implant? Based.", ">\n\nProbably doable, but the premium is likely to be prohibitive.", ">\n\nWouldn’t this also require them to sit in back with some sort of booster seat?", ">\n\nWhy is this so hard. You should only be qualified for things like HOV lanes if at least one or more passengers is a currently licensed and insured driver. There is no point in children or anyone else who cannot drive a car qualifying since they have to be driven around anyway and do not have the option of adding another car onto the road.", ">\n\nWhy stop there can we carpool with a cup of semen?", ">\n\nYeah this should be easy peasy to enforce.", ">\n\nThis is just too much governing. Too many laws.", ">\n\nHey, fetuses gotta get to work too... Those bootstraps don't pull themselves", ">\n\nPresumably it’s illegal for children under a certain age to ride in a car without a seatbelt or car seat. So an implied extension of this law would mean any pregnant woman who gets into a car is guilty of child endangerment, no? If a fetus is a person then they are by definition under the age where a car seat would be legally required. I’d love to see this logic circle played out on the house floor.", ">\n\nSoooooo they want pregnant women on a registry. And what happens if she doesn't give birth? Where does that information go? Will she get a knock on the door from the popo if there's a miscarriage?\nThe government doesn't need to know who's pregnant. \nNice try Republicans", ">\n\nSo do Republicans actually think they're making the world a better place or do they like playing Evil Mastermind?", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nSneaky fuckers", ">\n\nAt what point does fetushood begin in the proposed bill?", ">\n\nYes, the fetus is a valued human UNTIL it is born in Virginia. Then, who cares.", ">\n\nRidiculous", ">\n\nYou have to register with the state that you're pregnant, and wear the provided red hood and cloak while driving...", ">\n\nAbout time" ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states", ">\n\nThey are also marked as HOV lanes, at least in SoCal.", ">\n\nWhat if it’s in a jar asking for a friend.", ">\n\nDoes this mean that you can take out life insurance on fertilized cells, and then collect when only one of them implant? Based.", ">\n\nProbably doable, but the premium is likely to be prohibitive.", ">\n\nWouldn’t this also require them to sit in back with some sort of booster seat?", ">\n\nWhy is this so hard. You should only be qualified for things like HOV lanes if at least one or more passengers is a currently licensed and insured driver. There is no point in children or anyone else who cannot drive a car qualifying since they have to be driven around anyway and do not have the option of adding another car onto the road.", ">\n\nWhy stop there can we carpool with a cup of semen?", ">\n\nYeah this should be easy peasy to enforce.", ">\n\nThis is just too much governing. Too many laws.", ">\n\nHey, fetuses gotta get to work too... Those bootstraps don't pull themselves", ">\n\nPresumably it’s illegal for children under a certain age to ride in a car without a seatbelt or car seat. So an implied extension of this law would mean any pregnant woman who gets into a car is guilty of child endangerment, no? If a fetus is a person then they are by definition under the age where a car seat would be legally required. I’d love to see this logic circle played out on the house floor.", ">\n\nSoooooo they want pregnant women on a registry. And what happens if she doesn't give birth? Where does that information go? Will she get a knock on the door from the popo if there's a miscarriage?\nThe government doesn't need to know who's pregnant. \nNice try Republicans", ">\n\nSo do Republicans actually think they're making the world a better place or do they like playing Evil Mastermind?", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nSneaky fuckers", ">\n\nAt what point does fetushood begin in the proposed bill?", ">\n\nYes, the fetus is a valued human UNTIL it is born in Virginia. Then, who cares.", ">\n\nRidiculous", ">\n\nYou have to register with the state that you're pregnant, and wear the provided red hood and cloak while driving...", ">\n\nAbout time", ">\n\nThey should just mobile ultrasounds in All police cruisers" ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states", ">\n\nThey are also marked as HOV lanes, at least in SoCal.", ">\n\nWhat if it’s in a jar asking for a friend.", ">\n\nDoes this mean that you can take out life insurance on fertilized cells, and then collect when only one of them implant? Based.", ">\n\nProbably doable, but the premium is likely to be prohibitive.", ">\n\nWouldn’t this also require them to sit in back with some sort of booster seat?", ">\n\nWhy is this so hard. You should only be qualified for things like HOV lanes if at least one or more passengers is a currently licensed and insured driver. There is no point in children or anyone else who cannot drive a car qualifying since they have to be driven around anyway and do not have the option of adding another car onto the road.", ">\n\nWhy stop there can we carpool with a cup of semen?", ">\n\nYeah this should be easy peasy to enforce.", ">\n\nThis is just too much governing. Too many laws.", ">\n\nHey, fetuses gotta get to work too... Those bootstraps don't pull themselves", ">\n\nPresumably it’s illegal for children under a certain age to ride in a car without a seatbelt or car seat. So an implied extension of this law would mean any pregnant woman who gets into a car is guilty of child endangerment, no? If a fetus is a person then they are by definition under the age where a car seat would be legally required. I’d love to see this logic circle played out on the house floor.", ">\n\nSoooooo they want pregnant women on a registry. And what happens if she doesn't give birth? Where does that information go? Will she get a knock on the door from the popo if there's a miscarriage?\nThe government doesn't need to know who's pregnant. \nNice try Republicans", ">\n\nSo do Republicans actually think they're making the world a better place or do they like playing Evil Mastermind?", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nSneaky fuckers", ">\n\nAt what point does fetushood begin in the proposed bill?", ">\n\nYes, the fetus is a valued human UNTIL it is born in Virginia. Then, who cares.", ">\n\nRidiculous", ">\n\nYou have to register with the state that you're pregnant, and wear the provided red hood and cloak while driving...", ">\n\nAbout time", ">\n\nThey should just mobile ultrasounds in All police cruisers", ">\n\nCommonwealths sure do make things oddly confusing." ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states", ">\n\nThey are also marked as HOV lanes, at least in SoCal.", ">\n\nWhat if it’s in a jar asking for a friend.", ">\n\nDoes this mean that you can take out life insurance on fertilized cells, and then collect when only one of them implant? Based.", ">\n\nProbably doable, but the premium is likely to be prohibitive.", ">\n\nWouldn’t this also require them to sit in back with some sort of booster seat?", ">\n\nWhy is this so hard. You should only be qualified for things like HOV lanes if at least one or more passengers is a currently licensed and insured driver. There is no point in children or anyone else who cannot drive a car qualifying since they have to be driven around anyway and do not have the option of adding another car onto the road.", ">\n\nWhy stop there can we carpool with a cup of semen?", ">\n\nYeah this should be easy peasy to enforce.", ">\n\nThis is just too much governing. Too many laws.", ">\n\nHey, fetuses gotta get to work too... Those bootstraps don't pull themselves", ">\n\nPresumably it’s illegal for children under a certain age to ride in a car without a seatbelt or car seat. So an implied extension of this law would mean any pregnant woman who gets into a car is guilty of child endangerment, no? If a fetus is a person then they are by definition under the age where a car seat would be legally required. I’d love to see this logic circle played out on the house floor.", ">\n\nSoooooo they want pregnant women on a registry. And what happens if she doesn't give birth? Where does that information go? Will she get a knock on the door from the popo if there's a miscarriage?\nThe government doesn't need to know who's pregnant. \nNice try Republicans", ">\n\nSo do Republicans actually think they're making the world a better place or do they like playing Evil Mastermind?", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nSneaky fuckers", ">\n\nAt what point does fetushood begin in the proposed bill?", ">\n\nYes, the fetus is a valued human UNTIL it is born in Virginia. Then, who cares.", ">\n\nRidiculous", ">\n\nYou have to register with the state that you're pregnant, and wear the provided red hood and cloak while driving...", ">\n\nAbout time", ">\n\nThey should just mobile ultrasounds in All police cruisers", ">\n\nCommonwealths sure do make things oddly confusing.", ">\n\nI'm not traveling alone, officer! I have here with me the father, the son, and the holy ghost!" ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states", ">\n\nThey are also marked as HOV lanes, at least in SoCal.", ">\n\nWhat if it’s in a jar asking for a friend.", ">\n\nDoes this mean that you can take out life insurance on fertilized cells, and then collect when only one of them implant? Based.", ">\n\nProbably doable, but the premium is likely to be prohibitive.", ">\n\nWouldn’t this also require them to sit in back with some sort of booster seat?", ">\n\nWhy is this so hard. You should only be qualified for things like HOV lanes if at least one or more passengers is a currently licensed and insured driver. There is no point in children or anyone else who cannot drive a car qualifying since they have to be driven around anyway and do not have the option of adding another car onto the road.", ">\n\nWhy stop there can we carpool with a cup of semen?", ">\n\nYeah this should be easy peasy to enforce.", ">\n\nThis is just too much governing. Too many laws.", ">\n\nHey, fetuses gotta get to work too... Those bootstraps don't pull themselves", ">\n\nPresumably it’s illegal for children under a certain age to ride in a car without a seatbelt or car seat. So an implied extension of this law would mean any pregnant woman who gets into a car is guilty of child endangerment, no? If a fetus is a person then they are by definition under the age where a car seat would be legally required. I’d love to see this logic circle played out on the house floor.", ">\n\nSoooooo they want pregnant women on a registry. And what happens if she doesn't give birth? Where does that information go? Will she get a knock on the door from the popo if there's a miscarriage?\nThe government doesn't need to know who's pregnant. \nNice try Republicans", ">\n\nSo do Republicans actually think they're making the world a better place or do they like playing Evil Mastermind?", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nSneaky fuckers", ">\n\nAt what point does fetushood begin in the proposed bill?", ">\n\nYes, the fetus is a valued human UNTIL it is born in Virginia. Then, who cares.", ">\n\nRidiculous", ">\n\nYou have to register with the state that you're pregnant, and wear the provided red hood and cloak while driving...", ">\n\nAbout time", ">\n\nThey should just mobile ultrasounds in All police cruisers", ">\n\nCommonwealths sure do make things oddly confusing.", ">\n\nI'm not traveling alone, officer! I have here with me the father, the son, and the holy ghost!", ">\n\nOh great, another dogshit selfish reason to have child. What a wonderful timeline" ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states", ">\n\nThey are also marked as HOV lanes, at least in SoCal.", ">\n\nWhat if it’s in a jar asking for a friend.", ">\n\nDoes this mean that you can take out life insurance on fertilized cells, and then collect when only one of them implant? Based.", ">\n\nProbably doable, but the premium is likely to be prohibitive.", ">\n\nWouldn’t this also require them to sit in back with some sort of booster seat?", ">\n\nWhy is this so hard. You should only be qualified for things like HOV lanes if at least one or more passengers is a currently licensed and insured driver. There is no point in children or anyone else who cannot drive a car qualifying since they have to be driven around anyway and do not have the option of adding another car onto the road.", ">\n\nWhy stop there can we carpool with a cup of semen?", ">\n\nYeah this should be easy peasy to enforce.", ">\n\nThis is just too much governing. Too many laws.", ">\n\nHey, fetuses gotta get to work too... Those bootstraps don't pull themselves", ">\n\nPresumably it’s illegal for children under a certain age to ride in a car without a seatbelt or car seat. So an implied extension of this law would mean any pregnant woman who gets into a car is guilty of child endangerment, no? If a fetus is a person then they are by definition under the age where a car seat would be legally required. I’d love to see this logic circle played out on the house floor.", ">\n\nSoooooo they want pregnant women on a registry. And what happens if she doesn't give birth? Where does that information go? Will she get a knock on the door from the popo if there's a miscarriage?\nThe government doesn't need to know who's pregnant. \nNice try Republicans", ">\n\nSo do Republicans actually think they're making the world a better place or do they like playing Evil Mastermind?", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nSneaky fuckers", ">\n\nAt what point does fetushood begin in the proposed bill?", ">\n\nYes, the fetus is a valued human UNTIL it is born in Virginia. Then, who cares.", ">\n\nRidiculous", ">\n\nYou have to register with the state that you're pregnant, and wear the provided red hood and cloak while driving...", ">\n\nAbout time", ">\n\nThey should just mobile ultrasounds in All police cruisers", ">\n\nCommonwealths sure do make things oddly confusing.", ">\n\nI'm not traveling alone, officer! I have here with me the father, the son, and the holy ghost!", ">\n\nOh great, another dogshit selfish reason to have child. What a wonderful timeline", ">\n\nPretty sure sperm should count then." ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states", ">\n\nThey are also marked as HOV lanes, at least in SoCal.", ">\n\nWhat if it’s in a jar asking for a friend.", ">\n\nDoes this mean that you can take out life insurance on fertilized cells, and then collect when only one of them implant? Based.", ">\n\nProbably doable, but the premium is likely to be prohibitive.", ">\n\nWouldn’t this also require them to sit in back with some sort of booster seat?", ">\n\nWhy is this so hard. You should only be qualified for things like HOV lanes if at least one or more passengers is a currently licensed and insured driver. There is no point in children or anyone else who cannot drive a car qualifying since they have to be driven around anyway and do not have the option of adding another car onto the road.", ">\n\nWhy stop there can we carpool with a cup of semen?", ">\n\nYeah this should be easy peasy to enforce.", ">\n\nThis is just too much governing. Too many laws.", ">\n\nHey, fetuses gotta get to work too... Those bootstraps don't pull themselves", ">\n\nPresumably it’s illegal for children under a certain age to ride in a car without a seatbelt or car seat. So an implied extension of this law would mean any pregnant woman who gets into a car is guilty of child endangerment, no? If a fetus is a person then they are by definition under the age where a car seat would be legally required. I’d love to see this logic circle played out on the house floor.", ">\n\nSoooooo they want pregnant women on a registry. And what happens if she doesn't give birth? Where does that information go? Will she get a knock on the door from the popo if there's a miscarriage?\nThe government doesn't need to know who's pregnant. \nNice try Republicans", ">\n\nSo do Republicans actually think they're making the world a better place or do they like playing Evil Mastermind?", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nSneaky fuckers", ">\n\nAt what point does fetushood begin in the proposed bill?", ">\n\nYes, the fetus is a valued human UNTIL it is born in Virginia. Then, who cares.", ">\n\nRidiculous", ">\n\nYou have to register with the state that you're pregnant, and wear the provided red hood and cloak while driving...", ">\n\nAbout time", ">\n\nThey should just mobile ultrasounds in All police cruisers", ">\n\nCommonwealths sure do make things oddly confusing.", ">\n\nI'm not traveling alone, officer! I have here with me the father, the son, and the holy ghost!", ">\n\nOh great, another dogshit selfish reason to have child. What a wonderful timeline", ">\n\nPretty sure sperm should count then.", ">\n\nCan you buy a fetus on ebay?" ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states", ">\n\nThey are also marked as HOV lanes, at least in SoCal.", ">\n\nWhat if it’s in a jar asking for a friend.", ">\n\nDoes this mean that you can take out life insurance on fertilized cells, and then collect when only one of them implant? Based.", ">\n\nProbably doable, but the premium is likely to be prohibitive.", ">\n\nWouldn’t this also require them to sit in back with some sort of booster seat?", ">\n\nWhy is this so hard. You should only be qualified for things like HOV lanes if at least one or more passengers is a currently licensed and insured driver. There is no point in children or anyone else who cannot drive a car qualifying since they have to be driven around anyway and do not have the option of adding another car onto the road.", ">\n\nWhy stop there can we carpool with a cup of semen?", ">\n\nYeah this should be easy peasy to enforce.", ">\n\nThis is just too much governing. Too many laws.", ">\n\nHey, fetuses gotta get to work too... Those bootstraps don't pull themselves", ">\n\nPresumably it’s illegal for children under a certain age to ride in a car without a seatbelt or car seat. So an implied extension of this law would mean any pregnant woman who gets into a car is guilty of child endangerment, no? If a fetus is a person then they are by definition under the age where a car seat would be legally required. I’d love to see this logic circle played out on the house floor.", ">\n\nSoooooo they want pregnant women on a registry. And what happens if she doesn't give birth? Where does that information go? Will she get a knock on the door from the popo if there's a miscarriage?\nThe government doesn't need to know who's pregnant. \nNice try Republicans", ">\n\nSo do Republicans actually think they're making the world a better place or do they like playing Evil Mastermind?", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nSneaky fuckers", ">\n\nAt what point does fetushood begin in the proposed bill?", ">\n\nYes, the fetus is a valued human UNTIL it is born in Virginia. Then, who cares.", ">\n\nRidiculous", ">\n\nYou have to register with the state that you're pregnant, and wear the provided red hood and cloak while driving...", ">\n\nAbout time", ">\n\nThey should just mobile ultrasounds in All police cruisers", ">\n\nCommonwealths sure do make things oddly confusing.", ">\n\nI'm not traveling alone, officer! I have here with me the father, the son, and the holy ghost!", ">\n\nOh great, another dogshit selfish reason to have child. What a wonderful timeline", ">\n\nPretty sure sperm should count then.", ">\n\nCan you buy a fetus on ebay?", ">\n\n\nLike Texas' HB 521, Virginia's HB 1894 is unlikely to advance in the state’s politically split Legislature.\n\nAll I needed to know. Any legislator can introduce a bill, but it's all bluster without a realistic road to passage." ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states", ">\n\nThey are also marked as HOV lanes, at least in SoCal.", ">\n\nWhat if it’s in a jar asking for a friend.", ">\n\nDoes this mean that you can take out life insurance on fertilized cells, and then collect when only one of them implant? Based.", ">\n\nProbably doable, but the premium is likely to be prohibitive.", ">\n\nWouldn’t this also require them to sit in back with some sort of booster seat?", ">\n\nWhy is this so hard. You should only be qualified for things like HOV lanes if at least one or more passengers is a currently licensed and insured driver. There is no point in children or anyone else who cannot drive a car qualifying since they have to be driven around anyway and do not have the option of adding another car onto the road.", ">\n\nWhy stop there can we carpool with a cup of semen?", ">\n\nYeah this should be easy peasy to enforce.", ">\n\nThis is just too much governing. Too many laws.", ">\n\nHey, fetuses gotta get to work too... Those bootstraps don't pull themselves", ">\n\nPresumably it’s illegal for children under a certain age to ride in a car without a seatbelt or car seat. So an implied extension of this law would mean any pregnant woman who gets into a car is guilty of child endangerment, no? If a fetus is a person then they are by definition under the age where a car seat would be legally required. I’d love to see this logic circle played out on the house floor.", ">\n\nSoooooo they want pregnant women on a registry. And what happens if she doesn't give birth? Where does that information go? Will she get a knock on the door from the popo if there's a miscarriage?\nThe government doesn't need to know who's pregnant. \nNice try Republicans", ">\n\nSo do Republicans actually think they're making the world a better place or do they like playing Evil Mastermind?", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nSneaky fuckers", ">\n\nAt what point does fetushood begin in the proposed bill?", ">\n\nYes, the fetus is a valued human UNTIL it is born in Virginia. Then, who cares.", ">\n\nRidiculous", ">\n\nYou have to register with the state that you're pregnant, and wear the provided red hood and cloak while driving...", ">\n\nAbout time", ">\n\nThey should just mobile ultrasounds in All police cruisers", ">\n\nCommonwealths sure do make things oddly confusing.", ">\n\nI'm not traveling alone, officer! I have here with me the father, the son, and the holy ghost!", ">\n\nOh great, another dogshit selfish reason to have child. What a wonderful timeline", ">\n\nPretty sure sperm should count then.", ">\n\nCan you buy a fetus on ebay?", ">\n\n\nLike Texas' HB 521, Virginia's HB 1894 is unlikely to advance in the state’s politically split Legislature.\n\nAll I needed to know. Any legislator can introduce a bill, but it's all bluster without a realistic road to passage.", ">\n\nAt least they're being consistent I guess?" ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states", ">\n\nThey are also marked as HOV lanes, at least in SoCal.", ">\n\nWhat if it’s in a jar asking for a friend.", ">\n\nDoes this mean that you can take out life insurance on fertilized cells, and then collect when only one of them implant? Based.", ">\n\nProbably doable, but the premium is likely to be prohibitive.", ">\n\nWouldn’t this also require them to sit in back with some sort of booster seat?", ">\n\nWhy is this so hard. You should only be qualified for things like HOV lanes if at least one or more passengers is a currently licensed and insured driver. There is no point in children or anyone else who cannot drive a car qualifying since they have to be driven around anyway and do not have the option of adding another car onto the road.", ">\n\nWhy stop there can we carpool with a cup of semen?", ">\n\nYeah this should be easy peasy to enforce.", ">\n\nThis is just too much governing. Too many laws.", ">\n\nHey, fetuses gotta get to work too... Those bootstraps don't pull themselves", ">\n\nPresumably it’s illegal for children under a certain age to ride in a car without a seatbelt or car seat. So an implied extension of this law would mean any pregnant woman who gets into a car is guilty of child endangerment, no? If a fetus is a person then they are by definition under the age where a car seat would be legally required. I’d love to see this logic circle played out on the house floor.", ">\n\nSoooooo they want pregnant women on a registry. And what happens if she doesn't give birth? Where does that information go? Will she get a knock on the door from the popo if there's a miscarriage?\nThe government doesn't need to know who's pregnant. \nNice try Republicans", ">\n\nSo do Republicans actually think they're making the world a better place or do they like playing Evil Mastermind?", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nSneaky fuckers", ">\n\nAt what point does fetushood begin in the proposed bill?", ">\n\nYes, the fetus is a valued human UNTIL it is born in Virginia. Then, who cares.", ">\n\nRidiculous", ">\n\nYou have to register with the state that you're pregnant, and wear the provided red hood and cloak while driving...", ">\n\nAbout time", ">\n\nThey should just mobile ultrasounds in All police cruisers", ">\n\nCommonwealths sure do make things oddly confusing.", ">\n\nI'm not traveling alone, officer! I have here with me the father, the son, and the holy ghost!", ">\n\nOh great, another dogshit selfish reason to have child. What a wonderful timeline", ">\n\nPretty sure sperm should count then.", ">\n\nCan you buy a fetus on ebay?", ">\n\n\nLike Texas' HB 521, Virginia's HB 1894 is unlikely to advance in the state’s politically split Legislature.\n\nAll I needed to know. Any legislator can introduce a bill, but it's all bluster without a realistic road to passage.", ">\n\nAt least they're being consistent I guess?", ">\n\nIt’s all about banning abortion in the long run" ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states", ">\n\nThey are also marked as HOV lanes, at least in SoCal.", ">\n\nWhat if it’s in a jar asking for a friend.", ">\n\nDoes this mean that you can take out life insurance on fertilized cells, and then collect when only one of them implant? Based.", ">\n\nProbably doable, but the premium is likely to be prohibitive.", ">\n\nWouldn’t this also require them to sit in back with some sort of booster seat?", ">\n\nWhy is this so hard. You should only be qualified for things like HOV lanes if at least one or more passengers is a currently licensed and insured driver. There is no point in children or anyone else who cannot drive a car qualifying since they have to be driven around anyway and do not have the option of adding another car onto the road.", ">\n\nWhy stop there can we carpool with a cup of semen?", ">\n\nYeah this should be easy peasy to enforce.", ">\n\nThis is just too much governing. Too many laws.", ">\n\nHey, fetuses gotta get to work too... Those bootstraps don't pull themselves", ">\n\nPresumably it’s illegal for children under a certain age to ride in a car without a seatbelt or car seat. So an implied extension of this law would mean any pregnant woman who gets into a car is guilty of child endangerment, no? If a fetus is a person then they are by definition under the age where a car seat would be legally required. I’d love to see this logic circle played out on the house floor.", ">\n\nSoooooo they want pregnant women on a registry. And what happens if she doesn't give birth? Where does that information go? Will she get a knock on the door from the popo if there's a miscarriage?\nThe government doesn't need to know who's pregnant. \nNice try Republicans", ">\n\nSo do Republicans actually think they're making the world a better place or do they like playing Evil Mastermind?", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nSneaky fuckers", ">\n\nAt what point does fetushood begin in the proposed bill?", ">\n\nYes, the fetus is a valued human UNTIL it is born in Virginia. Then, who cares.", ">\n\nRidiculous", ">\n\nYou have to register with the state that you're pregnant, and wear the provided red hood and cloak while driving...", ">\n\nAbout time", ">\n\nThey should just mobile ultrasounds in All police cruisers", ">\n\nCommonwealths sure do make things oddly confusing.", ">\n\nI'm not traveling alone, officer! I have here with me the father, the son, and the holy ghost!", ">\n\nOh great, another dogshit selfish reason to have child. What a wonderful timeline", ">\n\nPretty sure sperm should count then.", ">\n\nCan you buy a fetus on ebay?", ">\n\n\nLike Texas' HB 521, Virginia's HB 1894 is unlikely to advance in the state’s politically split Legislature.\n\nAll I needed to know. Any legislator can introduce a bill, but it's all bluster without a realistic road to passage.", ">\n\nAt least they're being consistent I guess?", ">\n\nIt’s all about banning abortion in the long run", ">\n\nIt’s just another step to “fetal personhood”. More dangerous than it seems" ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states", ">\n\nThey are also marked as HOV lanes, at least in SoCal.", ">\n\nWhat if it’s in a jar asking for a friend.", ">\n\nDoes this mean that you can take out life insurance on fertilized cells, and then collect when only one of them implant? Based.", ">\n\nProbably doable, but the premium is likely to be prohibitive.", ">\n\nWouldn’t this also require them to sit in back with some sort of booster seat?", ">\n\nWhy is this so hard. You should only be qualified for things like HOV lanes if at least one or more passengers is a currently licensed and insured driver. There is no point in children or anyone else who cannot drive a car qualifying since they have to be driven around anyway and do not have the option of adding another car onto the road.", ">\n\nWhy stop there can we carpool with a cup of semen?", ">\n\nYeah this should be easy peasy to enforce.", ">\n\nThis is just too much governing. Too many laws.", ">\n\nHey, fetuses gotta get to work too... Those bootstraps don't pull themselves", ">\n\nPresumably it’s illegal for children under a certain age to ride in a car without a seatbelt or car seat. So an implied extension of this law would mean any pregnant woman who gets into a car is guilty of child endangerment, no? If a fetus is a person then they are by definition under the age where a car seat would be legally required. I’d love to see this logic circle played out on the house floor.", ">\n\nSoooooo they want pregnant women on a registry. And what happens if she doesn't give birth? Where does that information go? Will she get a knock on the door from the popo if there's a miscarriage?\nThe government doesn't need to know who's pregnant. \nNice try Republicans", ">\n\nSo do Republicans actually think they're making the world a better place or do they like playing Evil Mastermind?", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nSneaky fuckers", ">\n\nAt what point does fetushood begin in the proposed bill?", ">\n\nYes, the fetus is a valued human UNTIL it is born in Virginia. Then, who cares.", ">\n\nRidiculous", ">\n\nYou have to register with the state that you're pregnant, and wear the provided red hood and cloak while driving...", ">\n\nAbout time", ">\n\nThey should just mobile ultrasounds in All police cruisers", ">\n\nCommonwealths sure do make things oddly confusing.", ">\n\nI'm not traveling alone, officer! I have here with me the father, the son, and the holy ghost!", ">\n\nOh great, another dogshit selfish reason to have child. What a wonderful timeline", ">\n\nPretty sure sperm should count then.", ">\n\nCan you buy a fetus on ebay?", ">\n\n\nLike Texas' HB 521, Virginia's HB 1894 is unlikely to advance in the state’s politically split Legislature.\n\nAll I needed to know. Any legislator can introduce a bill, but it's all bluster without a realistic road to passage.", ">\n\nAt least they're being consistent I guess?", ">\n\nIt’s all about banning abortion in the long run", ">\n\nIt’s just another step to “fetal personhood”. More dangerous than it seems", ">\n\nSure let's continue to lower the requirements for HOV lanes and make them even more useless and counter to their original purpose." ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states", ">\n\nThey are also marked as HOV lanes, at least in SoCal.", ">\n\nWhat if it’s in a jar asking for a friend.", ">\n\nDoes this mean that you can take out life insurance on fertilized cells, and then collect when only one of them implant? Based.", ">\n\nProbably doable, but the premium is likely to be prohibitive.", ">\n\nWouldn’t this also require them to sit in back with some sort of booster seat?", ">\n\nWhy is this so hard. You should only be qualified for things like HOV lanes if at least one or more passengers is a currently licensed and insured driver. There is no point in children or anyone else who cannot drive a car qualifying since they have to be driven around anyway and do not have the option of adding another car onto the road.", ">\n\nWhy stop there can we carpool with a cup of semen?", ">\n\nYeah this should be easy peasy to enforce.", ">\n\nThis is just too much governing. Too many laws.", ">\n\nHey, fetuses gotta get to work too... Those bootstraps don't pull themselves", ">\n\nPresumably it’s illegal for children under a certain age to ride in a car without a seatbelt or car seat. So an implied extension of this law would mean any pregnant woman who gets into a car is guilty of child endangerment, no? If a fetus is a person then they are by definition under the age where a car seat would be legally required. I’d love to see this logic circle played out on the house floor.", ">\n\nSoooooo they want pregnant women on a registry. And what happens if she doesn't give birth? Where does that information go? Will she get a knock on the door from the popo if there's a miscarriage?\nThe government doesn't need to know who's pregnant. \nNice try Republicans", ">\n\nSo do Republicans actually think they're making the world a better place or do they like playing Evil Mastermind?", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nSneaky fuckers", ">\n\nAt what point does fetushood begin in the proposed bill?", ">\n\nYes, the fetus is a valued human UNTIL it is born in Virginia. Then, who cares.", ">\n\nRidiculous", ">\n\nYou have to register with the state that you're pregnant, and wear the provided red hood and cloak while driving...", ">\n\nAbout time", ">\n\nThey should just mobile ultrasounds in All police cruisers", ">\n\nCommonwealths sure do make things oddly confusing.", ">\n\nI'm not traveling alone, officer! I have here with me the father, the son, and the holy ghost!", ">\n\nOh great, another dogshit selfish reason to have child. What a wonderful timeline", ">\n\nPretty sure sperm should count then.", ">\n\nCan you buy a fetus on ebay?", ">\n\n\nLike Texas' HB 521, Virginia's HB 1894 is unlikely to advance in the state’s politically split Legislature.\n\nAll I needed to know. Any legislator can introduce a bill, but it's all bluster without a realistic road to passage.", ">\n\nAt least they're being consistent I guess?", ">\n\nIt’s all about banning abortion in the long run", ">\n\nIt’s just another step to “fetal personhood”. More dangerous than it seems", ">\n\nSure let's continue to lower the requirements for HOV lanes and make them even more useless and counter to their original purpose.", ">\n\nWhat a waste of time." ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states", ">\n\nThey are also marked as HOV lanes, at least in SoCal.", ">\n\nWhat if it’s in a jar asking for a friend.", ">\n\nDoes this mean that you can take out life insurance on fertilized cells, and then collect when only one of them implant? Based.", ">\n\nProbably doable, but the premium is likely to be prohibitive.", ">\n\nWouldn’t this also require them to sit in back with some sort of booster seat?", ">\n\nWhy is this so hard. You should only be qualified for things like HOV lanes if at least one or more passengers is a currently licensed and insured driver. There is no point in children or anyone else who cannot drive a car qualifying since they have to be driven around anyway and do not have the option of adding another car onto the road.", ">\n\nWhy stop there can we carpool with a cup of semen?", ">\n\nYeah this should be easy peasy to enforce.", ">\n\nThis is just too much governing. Too many laws.", ">\n\nHey, fetuses gotta get to work too... Those bootstraps don't pull themselves", ">\n\nPresumably it’s illegal for children under a certain age to ride in a car without a seatbelt or car seat. So an implied extension of this law would mean any pregnant woman who gets into a car is guilty of child endangerment, no? If a fetus is a person then they are by definition under the age where a car seat would be legally required. I’d love to see this logic circle played out on the house floor.", ">\n\nSoooooo they want pregnant women on a registry. And what happens if she doesn't give birth? Where does that information go? Will she get a knock on the door from the popo if there's a miscarriage?\nThe government doesn't need to know who's pregnant. \nNice try Republicans", ">\n\nSo do Republicans actually think they're making the world a better place or do they like playing Evil Mastermind?", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nSneaky fuckers", ">\n\nAt what point does fetushood begin in the proposed bill?", ">\n\nYes, the fetus is a valued human UNTIL it is born in Virginia. Then, who cares.", ">\n\nRidiculous", ">\n\nYou have to register with the state that you're pregnant, and wear the provided red hood and cloak while driving...", ">\n\nAbout time", ">\n\nThey should just mobile ultrasounds in All police cruisers", ">\n\nCommonwealths sure do make things oddly confusing.", ">\n\nI'm not traveling alone, officer! I have here with me the father, the son, and the holy ghost!", ">\n\nOh great, another dogshit selfish reason to have child. What a wonderful timeline", ">\n\nPretty sure sperm should count then.", ">\n\nCan you buy a fetus on ebay?", ">\n\n\nLike Texas' HB 521, Virginia's HB 1894 is unlikely to advance in the state’s politically split Legislature.\n\nAll I needed to know. Any legislator can introduce a bill, but it's all bluster without a realistic road to passage.", ">\n\nAt least they're being consistent I guess?", ">\n\nIt’s all about banning abortion in the long run", ">\n\nIt’s just another step to “fetal personhood”. More dangerous than it seems", ">\n\nSure let's continue to lower the requirements for HOV lanes and make them even more useless and counter to their original purpose.", ">\n\nWhat a waste of time.", ">\n\nThey may be doing this to get “personhood “ for fetuses." ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states", ">\n\nThey are also marked as HOV lanes, at least in SoCal.", ">\n\nWhat if it’s in a jar asking for a friend.", ">\n\nDoes this mean that you can take out life insurance on fertilized cells, and then collect when only one of them implant? Based.", ">\n\nProbably doable, but the premium is likely to be prohibitive.", ">\n\nWouldn’t this also require them to sit in back with some sort of booster seat?", ">\n\nWhy is this so hard. You should only be qualified for things like HOV lanes if at least one or more passengers is a currently licensed and insured driver. There is no point in children or anyone else who cannot drive a car qualifying since they have to be driven around anyway and do not have the option of adding another car onto the road.", ">\n\nWhy stop there can we carpool with a cup of semen?", ">\n\nYeah this should be easy peasy to enforce.", ">\n\nThis is just too much governing. Too many laws.", ">\n\nHey, fetuses gotta get to work too... Those bootstraps don't pull themselves", ">\n\nPresumably it’s illegal for children under a certain age to ride in a car without a seatbelt or car seat. So an implied extension of this law would mean any pregnant woman who gets into a car is guilty of child endangerment, no? If a fetus is a person then they are by definition under the age where a car seat would be legally required. I’d love to see this logic circle played out on the house floor.", ">\n\nSoooooo they want pregnant women on a registry. And what happens if she doesn't give birth? Where does that information go? Will she get a knock on the door from the popo if there's a miscarriage?\nThe government doesn't need to know who's pregnant. \nNice try Republicans", ">\n\nSo do Republicans actually think they're making the world a better place or do they like playing Evil Mastermind?", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nSneaky fuckers", ">\n\nAt what point does fetushood begin in the proposed bill?", ">\n\nYes, the fetus is a valued human UNTIL it is born in Virginia. Then, who cares.", ">\n\nRidiculous", ">\n\nYou have to register with the state that you're pregnant, and wear the provided red hood and cloak while driving...", ">\n\nAbout time", ">\n\nThey should just mobile ultrasounds in All police cruisers", ">\n\nCommonwealths sure do make things oddly confusing.", ">\n\nI'm not traveling alone, officer! I have here with me the father, the son, and the holy ghost!", ">\n\nOh great, another dogshit selfish reason to have child. What a wonderful timeline", ">\n\nPretty sure sperm should count then.", ">\n\nCan you buy a fetus on ebay?", ">\n\n\nLike Texas' HB 521, Virginia's HB 1894 is unlikely to advance in the state’s politically split Legislature.\n\nAll I needed to know. Any legislator can introduce a bill, but it's all bluster without a realistic road to passage.", ">\n\nAt least they're being consistent I guess?", ">\n\nIt’s all about banning abortion in the long run", ">\n\nIt’s just another step to “fetal personhood”. More dangerous than it seems", ">\n\nSure let's continue to lower the requirements for HOV lanes and make them even more useless and counter to their original purpose.", ">\n\nWhat a waste of time.", ">\n\nThey may be doing this to get “personhood “ for fetuses.", ">\n\nCan the fetus be claimed as a dependent? It's tax time ya know." ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states", ">\n\nThey are also marked as HOV lanes, at least in SoCal.", ">\n\nWhat if it’s in a jar asking for a friend.", ">\n\nDoes this mean that you can take out life insurance on fertilized cells, and then collect when only one of them implant? Based.", ">\n\nProbably doable, but the premium is likely to be prohibitive.", ">\n\nWouldn’t this also require them to sit in back with some sort of booster seat?", ">\n\nWhy is this so hard. You should only be qualified for things like HOV lanes if at least one or more passengers is a currently licensed and insured driver. There is no point in children or anyone else who cannot drive a car qualifying since they have to be driven around anyway and do not have the option of adding another car onto the road.", ">\n\nWhy stop there can we carpool with a cup of semen?", ">\n\nYeah this should be easy peasy to enforce.", ">\n\nThis is just too much governing. Too many laws.", ">\n\nHey, fetuses gotta get to work too... Those bootstraps don't pull themselves", ">\n\nPresumably it’s illegal for children under a certain age to ride in a car without a seatbelt or car seat. So an implied extension of this law would mean any pregnant woman who gets into a car is guilty of child endangerment, no? If a fetus is a person then they are by definition under the age where a car seat would be legally required. I’d love to see this logic circle played out on the house floor.", ">\n\nSoooooo they want pregnant women on a registry. And what happens if she doesn't give birth? Where does that information go? Will she get a knock on the door from the popo if there's a miscarriage?\nThe government doesn't need to know who's pregnant. \nNice try Republicans", ">\n\nSo do Republicans actually think they're making the world a better place or do they like playing Evil Mastermind?", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nSneaky fuckers", ">\n\nAt what point does fetushood begin in the proposed bill?", ">\n\nYes, the fetus is a valued human UNTIL it is born in Virginia. Then, who cares.", ">\n\nRidiculous", ">\n\nYou have to register with the state that you're pregnant, and wear the provided red hood and cloak while driving...", ">\n\nAbout time", ">\n\nThey should just mobile ultrasounds in All police cruisers", ">\n\nCommonwealths sure do make things oddly confusing.", ">\n\nI'm not traveling alone, officer! I have here with me the father, the son, and the holy ghost!", ">\n\nOh great, another dogshit selfish reason to have child. What a wonderful timeline", ">\n\nPretty sure sperm should count then.", ">\n\nCan you buy a fetus on ebay?", ">\n\n\nLike Texas' HB 521, Virginia's HB 1894 is unlikely to advance in the state’s politically split Legislature.\n\nAll I needed to know. Any legislator can introduce a bill, but it's all bluster without a realistic road to passage.", ">\n\nAt least they're being consistent I guess?", ">\n\nIt’s all about banning abortion in the long run", ">\n\nIt’s just another step to “fetal personhood”. More dangerous than it seems", ">\n\nSure let's continue to lower the requirements for HOV lanes and make them even more useless and counter to their original purpose.", ">\n\nWhat a waste of time.", ">\n\nThey may be doing this to get “personhood “ for fetuses.", ">\n\nCan the fetus be claimed as a dependent? It's tax time ya know.", ">\n\nWonder what kind of MPG a fetus gets these days..." ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states", ">\n\nThey are also marked as HOV lanes, at least in SoCal.", ">\n\nWhat if it’s in a jar asking for a friend.", ">\n\nDoes this mean that you can take out life insurance on fertilized cells, and then collect when only one of them implant? Based.", ">\n\nProbably doable, but the premium is likely to be prohibitive.", ">\n\nWouldn’t this also require them to sit in back with some sort of booster seat?", ">\n\nWhy is this so hard. You should only be qualified for things like HOV lanes if at least one or more passengers is a currently licensed and insured driver. There is no point in children or anyone else who cannot drive a car qualifying since they have to be driven around anyway and do not have the option of adding another car onto the road.", ">\n\nWhy stop there can we carpool with a cup of semen?", ">\n\nYeah this should be easy peasy to enforce.", ">\n\nThis is just too much governing. Too many laws.", ">\n\nHey, fetuses gotta get to work too... Those bootstraps don't pull themselves", ">\n\nPresumably it’s illegal for children under a certain age to ride in a car without a seatbelt or car seat. So an implied extension of this law would mean any pregnant woman who gets into a car is guilty of child endangerment, no? If a fetus is a person then they are by definition under the age where a car seat would be legally required. I’d love to see this logic circle played out on the house floor.", ">\n\nSoooooo they want pregnant women on a registry. And what happens if she doesn't give birth? Where does that information go? Will she get a knock on the door from the popo if there's a miscarriage?\nThe government doesn't need to know who's pregnant. \nNice try Republicans", ">\n\nSo do Republicans actually think they're making the world a better place or do they like playing Evil Mastermind?", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nSneaky fuckers", ">\n\nAt what point does fetushood begin in the proposed bill?", ">\n\nYes, the fetus is a valued human UNTIL it is born in Virginia. Then, who cares.", ">\n\nRidiculous", ">\n\nYou have to register with the state that you're pregnant, and wear the provided red hood and cloak while driving...", ">\n\nAbout time", ">\n\nThey should just mobile ultrasounds in All police cruisers", ">\n\nCommonwealths sure do make things oddly confusing.", ">\n\nI'm not traveling alone, officer! I have here with me the father, the son, and the holy ghost!", ">\n\nOh great, another dogshit selfish reason to have child. What a wonderful timeline", ">\n\nPretty sure sperm should count then.", ">\n\nCan you buy a fetus on ebay?", ">\n\n\nLike Texas' HB 521, Virginia's HB 1894 is unlikely to advance in the state’s politically split Legislature.\n\nAll I needed to know. Any legislator can introduce a bill, but it's all bluster without a realistic road to passage.", ">\n\nAt least they're being consistent I guess?", ">\n\nIt’s all about banning abortion in the long run", ">\n\nIt’s just another step to “fetal personhood”. More dangerous than it seems", ">\n\nSure let's continue to lower the requirements for HOV lanes and make them even more useless and counter to their original purpose.", ">\n\nWhat a waste of time.", ">\n\nThey may be doing this to get “personhood “ for fetuses.", ">\n\nCan the fetus be claimed as a dependent? It's tax time ya know.", ">\n\nWonder what kind of MPG a fetus gets these days...", ">\n\nSo if women are denied medication because they could, at any time, be possibly pregnant, does that mean that all women get to drive in the HOV lanes, because who knows?!" ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states", ">\n\nThey are also marked as HOV lanes, at least in SoCal.", ">\n\nWhat if it’s in a jar asking for a friend.", ">\n\nDoes this mean that you can take out life insurance on fertilized cells, and then collect when only one of them implant? Based.", ">\n\nProbably doable, but the premium is likely to be prohibitive.", ">\n\nWouldn’t this also require them to sit in back with some sort of booster seat?", ">\n\nWhy is this so hard. You should only be qualified for things like HOV lanes if at least one or more passengers is a currently licensed and insured driver. There is no point in children or anyone else who cannot drive a car qualifying since they have to be driven around anyway and do not have the option of adding another car onto the road.", ">\n\nWhy stop there can we carpool with a cup of semen?", ">\n\nYeah this should be easy peasy to enforce.", ">\n\nThis is just too much governing. Too many laws.", ">\n\nHey, fetuses gotta get to work too... Those bootstraps don't pull themselves", ">\n\nPresumably it’s illegal for children under a certain age to ride in a car without a seatbelt or car seat. So an implied extension of this law would mean any pregnant woman who gets into a car is guilty of child endangerment, no? If a fetus is a person then they are by definition under the age where a car seat would be legally required. I’d love to see this logic circle played out on the house floor.", ">\n\nSoooooo they want pregnant women on a registry. And what happens if she doesn't give birth? Where does that information go? Will she get a knock on the door from the popo if there's a miscarriage?\nThe government doesn't need to know who's pregnant. \nNice try Republicans", ">\n\nSo do Republicans actually think they're making the world a better place or do they like playing Evil Mastermind?", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nSneaky fuckers", ">\n\nAt what point does fetushood begin in the proposed bill?", ">\n\nYes, the fetus is a valued human UNTIL it is born in Virginia. Then, who cares.", ">\n\nRidiculous", ">\n\nYou have to register with the state that you're pregnant, and wear the provided red hood and cloak while driving...", ">\n\nAbout time", ">\n\nThey should just mobile ultrasounds in All police cruisers", ">\n\nCommonwealths sure do make things oddly confusing.", ">\n\nI'm not traveling alone, officer! I have here with me the father, the son, and the holy ghost!", ">\n\nOh great, another dogshit selfish reason to have child. What a wonderful timeline", ">\n\nPretty sure sperm should count then.", ">\n\nCan you buy a fetus on ebay?", ">\n\n\nLike Texas' HB 521, Virginia's HB 1894 is unlikely to advance in the state’s politically split Legislature.\n\nAll I needed to know. Any legislator can introduce a bill, but it's all bluster without a realistic road to passage.", ">\n\nAt least they're being consistent I guess?", ">\n\nIt’s all about banning abortion in the long run", ">\n\nIt’s just another step to “fetal personhood”. More dangerous than it seems", ">\n\nSure let's continue to lower the requirements for HOV lanes and make them even more useless and counter to their original purpose.", ">\n\nWhat a waste of time.", ">\n\nThey may be doing this to get “personhood “ for fetuses.", ">\n\nCan the fetus be claimed as a dependent? It's tax time ya know.", ">\n\nWonder what kind of MPG a fetus gets these days...", ">\n\nSo if women are denied medication because they could, at any time, be possibly pregnant, does that mean that all women get to drive in the HOV lanes, because who knows?!", ">\n\nSo... basically... all nubile women have free access to the HOV lanes by merely filling in some paperwork every few months?" ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states", ">\n\nThey are also marked as HOV lanes, at least in SoCal.", ">\n\nWhat if it’s in a jar asking for a friend.", ">\n\nDoes this mean that you can take out life insurance on fertilized cells, and then collect when only one of them implant? Based.", ">\n\nProbably doable, but the premium is likely to be prohibitive.", ">\n\nWouldn’t this also require them to sit in back with some sort of booster seat?", ">\n\nWhy is this so hard. You should only be qualified for things like HOV lanes if at least one or more passengers is a currently licensed and insured driver. There is no point in children or anyone else who cannot drive a car qualifying since they have to be driven around anyway and do not have the option of adding another car onto the road.", ">\n\nWhy stop there can we carpool with a cup of semen?", ">\n\nYeah this should be easy peasy to enforce.", ">\n\nThis is just too much governing. Too many laws.", ">\n\nHey, fetuses gotta get to work too... Those bootstraps don't pull themselves", ">\n\nPresumably it’s illegal for children under a certain age to ride in a car without a seatbelt or car seat. So an implied extension of this law would mean any pregnant woman who gets into a car is guilty of child endangerment, no? If a fetus is a person then they are by definition under the age where a car seat would be legally required. I’d love to see this logic circle played out on the house floor.", ">\n\nSoooooo they want pregnant women on a registry. And what happens if she doesn't give birth? Where does that information go? Will she get a knock on the door from the popo if there's a miscarriage?\nThe government doesn't need to know who's pregnant. \nNice try Republicans", ">\n\nSo do Republicans actually think they're making the world a better place or do they like playing Evil Mastermind?", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nSneaky fuckers", ">\n\nAt what point does fetushood begin in the proposed bill?", ">\n\nYes, the fetus is a valued human UNTIL it is born in Virginia. Then, who cares.", ">\n\nRidiculous", ">\n\nYou have to register with the state that you're pregnant, and wear the provided red hood and cloak while driving...", ">\n\nAbout time", ">\n\nThey should just mobile ultrasounds in All police cruisers", ">\n\nCommonwealths sure do make things oddly confusing.", ">\n\nI'm not traveling alone, officer! I have here with me the father, the son, and the holy ghost!", ">\n\nOh great, another dogshit selfish reason to have child. What a wonderful timeline", ">\n\nPretty sure sperm should count then.", ">\n\nCan you buy a fetus on ebay?", ">\n\n\nLike Texas' HB 521, Virginia's HB 1894 is unlikely to advance in the state’s politically split Legislature.\n\nAll I needed to know. Any legislator can introduce a bill, but it's all bluster without a realistic road to passage.", ">\n\nAt least they're being consistent I guess?", ">\n\nIt’s all about banning abortion in the long run", ">\n\nIt’s just another step to “fetal personhood”. More dangerous than it seems", ">\n\nSure let's continue to lower the requirements for HOV lanes and make them even more useless and counter to their original purpose.", ">\n\nWhat a waste of time.", ">\n\nThey may be doing this to get “personhood “ for fetuses.", ">\n\nCan the fetus be claimed as a dependent? It's tax time ya know.", ">\n\nWonder what kind of MPG a fetus gets these days...", ">\n\nSo if women are denied medication because they could, at any time, be possibly pregnant, does that mean that all women get to drive in the HOV lanes, because who knows?!", ">\n\nSo... basically... all nubile women have free access to the HOV lanes by merely filling in some paperwork every few months?", ">\n\nSpeeding while pregnant becomes reckless endangerment of a child." ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states", ">\n\nThey are also marked as HOV lanes, at least in SoCal.", ">\n\nWhat if it’s in a jar asking for a friend.", ">\n\nDoes this mean that you can take out life insurance on fertilized cells, and then collect when only one of them implant? Based.", ">\n\nProbably doable, but the premium is likely to be prohibitive.", ">\n\nWouldn’t this also require them to sit in back with some sort of booster seat?", ">\n\nWhy is this so hard. You should only be qualified for things like HOV lanes if at least one or more passengers is a currently licensed and insured driver. There is no point in children or anyone else who cannot drive a car qualifying since they have to be driven around anyway and do not have the option of adding another car onto the road.", ">\n\nWhy stop there can we carpool with a cup of semen?", ">\n\nYeah this should be easy peasy to enforce.", ">\n\nThis is just too much governing. Too many laws.", ">\n\nHey, fetuses gotta get to work too... Those bootstraps don't pull themselves", ">\n\nPresumably it’s illegal for children under a certain age to ride in a car without a seatbelt or car seat. So an implied extension of this law would mean any pregnant woman who gets into a car is guilty of child endangerment, no? If a fetus is a person then they are by definition under the age where a car seat would be legally required. I’d love to see this logic circle played out on the house floor.", ">\n\nSoooooo they want pregnant women on a registry. And what happens if she doesn't give birth? Where does that information go? Will she get a knock on the door from the popo if there's a miscarriage?\nThe government doesn't need to know who's pregnant. \nNice try Republicans", ">\n\nSo do Republicans actually think they're making the world a better place or do they like playing Evil Mastermind?", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nSneaky fuckers", ">\n\nAt what point does fetushood begin in the proposed bill?", ">\n\nYes, the fetus is a valued human UNTIL it is born in Virginia. Then, who cares.", ">\n\nRidiculous", ">\n\nYou have to register with the state that you're pregnant, and wear the provided red hood and cloak while driving...", ">\n\nAbout time", ">\n\nThey should just mobile ultrasounds in All police cruisers", ">\n\nCommonwealths sure do make things oddly confusing.", ">\n\nI'm not traveling alone, officer! I have here with me the father, the son, and the holy ghost!", ">\n\nOh great, another dogshit selfish reason to have child. What a wonderful timeline", ">\n\nPretty sure sperm should count then.", ">\n\nCan you buy a fetus on ebay?", ">\n\n\nLike Texas' HB 521, Virginia's HB 1894 is unlikely to advance in the state’s politically split Legislature.\n\nAll I needed to know. Any legislator can introduce a bill, but it's all bluster without a realistic road to passage.", ">\n\nAt least they're being consistent I guess?", ">\n\nIt’s all about banning abortion in the long run", ">\n\nIt’s just another step to “fetal personhood”. More dangerous than it seems", ">\n\nSure let's continue to lower the requirements for HOV lanes and make them even more useless and counter to their original purpose.", ">\n\nWhat a waste of time.", ">\n\nThey may be doing this to get “personhood “ for fetuses.", ">\n\nCan the fetus be claimed as a dependent? It's tax time ya know.", ">\n\nWonder what kind of MPG a fetus gets these days...", ">\n\nSo if women are denied medication because they could, at any time, be possibly pregnant, does that mean that all women get to drive in the HOV lanes, because who knows?!", ">\n\nSo... basically... all nubile women have free access to the HOV lanes by merely filling in some paperwork every few months?", ">\n\nSpeeding while pregnant becomes reckless endangerment of a child.", ">\n\nthat pregnant lady who kept driving in the HOV lanes finally did it" ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states", ">\n\nThey are also marked as HOV lanes, at least in SoCal.", ">\n\nWhat if it’s in a jar asking for a friend.", ">\n\nDoes this mean that you can take out life insurance on fertilized cells, and then collect when only one of them implant? Based.", ">\n\nProbably doable, but the premium is likely to be prohibitive.", ">\n\nWouldn’t this also require them to sit in back with some sort of booster seat?", ">\n\nWhy is this so hard. You should only be qualified for things like HOV lanes if at least one or more passengers is a currently licensed and insured driver. There is no point in children or anyone else who cannot drive a car qualifying since they have to be driven around anyway and do not have the option of adding another car onto the road.", ">\n\nWhy stop there can we carpool with a cup of semen?", ">\n\nYeah this should be easy peasy to enforce.", ">\n\nThis is just too much governing. Too many laws.", ">\n\nHey, fetuses gotta get to work too... Those bootstraps don't pull themselves", ">\n\nPresumably it’s illegal for children under a certain age to ride in a car without a seatbelt or car seat. So an implied extension of this law would mean any pregnant woman who gets into a car is guilty of child endangerment, no? If a fetus is a person then they are by definition under the age where a car seat would be legally required. I’d love to see this logic circle played out on the house floor.", ">\n\nSoooooo they want pregnant women on a registry. And what happens if she doesn't give birth? Where does that information go? Will she get a knock on the door from the popo if there's a miscarriage?\nThe government doesn't need to know who's pregnant. \nNice try Republicans", ">\n\nSo do Republicans actually think they're making the world a better place or do they like playing Evil Mastermind?", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nSneaky fuckers", ">\n\nAt what point does fetushood begin in the proposed bill?", ">\n\nYes, the fetus is a valued human UNTIL it is born in Virginia. Then, who cares.", ">\n\nRidiculous", ">\n\nYou have to register with the state that you're pregnant, and wear the provided red hood and cloak while driving...", ">\n\nAbout time", ">\n\nThey should just mobile ultrasounds in All police cruisers", ">\n\nCommonwealths sure do make things oddly confusing.", ">\n\nI'm not traveling alone, officer! I have here with me the father, the son, and the holy ghost!", ">\n\nOh great, another dogshit selfish reason to have child. What a wonderful timeline", ">\n\nPretty sure sperm should count then.", ">\n\nCan you buy a fetus on ebay?", ">\n\n\nLike Texas' HB 521, Virginia's HB 1894 is unlikely to advance in the state’s politically split Legislature.\n\nAll I needed to know. Any legislator can introduce a bill, but it's all bluster without a realistic road to passage.", ">\n\nAt least they're being consistent I guess?", ">\n\nIt’s all about banning abortion in the long run", ">\n\nIt’s just another step to “fetal personhood”. More dangerous than it seems", ">\n\nSure let's continue to lower the requirements for HOV lanes and make them even more useless and counter to their original purpose.", ">\n\nWhat a waste of time.", ">\n\nThey may be doing this to get “personhood “ for fetuses.", ">\n\nCan the fetus be claimed as a dependent? It's tax time ya know.", ">\n\nWonder what kind of MPG a fetus gets these days...", ">\n\nSo if women are denied medication because they could, at any time, be possibly pregnant, does that mean that all women get to drive in the HOV lanes, because who knows?!", ">\n\nSo... basically... all nubile women have free access to the HOV lanes by merely filling in some paperwork every few months?", ">\n\nSpeeding while pregnant becomes reckless endangerment of a child.", ">\n\nthat pregnant lady who kept driving in the HOV lanes finally did it", ">\n\nIf you need me, I'll be in the HOV lane with my bucket full of fetuses" ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states", ">\n\nThey are also marked as HOV lanes, at least in SoCal.", ">\n\nWhat if it’s in a jar asking for a friend.", ">\n\nDoes this mean that you can take out life insurance on fertilized cells, and then collect when only one of them implant? Based.", ">\n\nProbably doable, but the premium is likely to be prohibitive.", ">\n\nWouldn’t this also require them to sit in back with some sort of booster seat?", ">\n\nWhy is this so hard. You should only be qualified for things like HOV lanes if at least one or more passengers is a currently licensed and insured driver. There is no point in children or anyone else who cannot drive a car qualifying since they have to be driven around anyway and do not have the option of adding another car onto the road.", ">\n\nWhy stop there can we carpool with a cup of semen?", ">\n\nYeah this should be easy peasy to enforce.", ">\n\nThis is just too much governing. Too many laws.", ">\n\nHey, fetuses gotta get to work too... Those bootstraps don't pull themselves", ">\n\nPresumably it’s illegal for children under a certain age to ride in a car without a seatbelt or car seat. So an implied extension of this law would mean any pregnant woman who gets into a car is guilty of child endangerment, no? If a fetus is a person then they are by definition under the age where a car seat would be legally required. I’d love to see this logic circle played out on the house floor.", ">\n\nSoooooo they want pregnant women on a registry. And what happens if she doesn't give birth? Where does that information go? Will she get a knock on the door from the popo if there's a miscarriage?\nThe government doesn't need to know who's pregnant. \nNice try Republicans", ">\n\nSo do Republicans actually think they're making the world a better place or do they like playing Evil Mastermind?", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nSneaky fuckers", ">\n\nAt what point does fetushood begin in the proposed bill?", ">\n\nYes, the fetus is a valued human UNTIL it is born in Virginia. Then, who cares.", ">\n\nRidiculous", ">\n\nYou have to register with the state that you're pregnant, and wear the provided red hood and cloak while driving...", ">\n\nAbout time", ">\n\nThey should just mobile ultrasounds in All police cruisers", ">\n\nCommonwealths sure do make things oddly confusing.", ">\n\nI'm not traveling alone, officer! I have here with me the father, the son, and the holy ghost!", ">\n\nOh great, another dogshit selfish reason to have child. What a wonderful timeline", ">\n\nPretty sure sperm should count then.", ">\n\nCan you buy a fetus on ebay?", ">\n\n\nLike Texas' HB 521, Virginia's HB 1894 is unlikely to advance in the state’s politically split Legislature.\n\nAll I needed to know. Any legislator can introduce a bill, but it's all bluster without a realistic road to passage.", ">\n\nAt least they're being consistent I guess?", ">\n\nIt’s all about banning abortion in the long run", ">\n\nIt’s just another step to “fetal personhood”. More dangerous than it seems", ">\n\nSure let's continue to lower the requirements for HOV lanes and make them even more useless and counter to their original purpose.", ">\n\nWhat a waste of time.", ">\n\nThey may be doing this to get “personhood “ for fetuses.", ">\n\nCan the fetus be claimed as a dependent? It's tax time ya know.", ">\n\nWonder what kind of MPG a fetus gets these days...", ">\n\nSo if women are denied medication because they could, at any time, be possibly pregnant, does that mean that all women get to drive in the HOV lanes, because who knows?!", ">\n\nSo... basically... all nubile women have free access to the HOV lanes by merely filling in some paperwork every few months?", ">\n\nSpeeding while pregnant becomes reckless endangerment of a child.", ">\n\nthat pregnant lady who kept driving in the HOV lanes finally did it", ">\n\nIf you need me, I'll be in the HOV lane with my bucket full of fetuses", ">\n\nSo every woman in the state will now claim to be pregnant. Hope they track them and accuse them of abortion if there is no birth in 9 months" ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states", ">\n\nThey are also marked as HOV lanes, at least in SoCal.", ">\n\nWhat if it’s in a jar asking for a friend.", ">\n\nDoes this mean that you can take out life insurance on fertilized cells, and then collect when only one of them implant? Based.", ">\n\nProbably doable, but the premium is likely to be prohibitive.", ">\n\nWouldn’t this also require them to sit in back with some sort of booster seat?", ">\n\nWhy is this so hard. You should only be qualified for things like HOV lanes if at least one or more passengers is a currently licensed and insured driver. There is no point in children or anyone else who cannot drive a car qualifying since they have to be driven around anyway and do not have the option of adding another car onto the road.", ">\n\nWhy stop there can we carpool with a cup of semen?", ">\n\nYeah this should be easy peasy to enforce.", ">\n\nThis is just too much governing. Too many laws.", ">\n\nHey, fetuses gotta get to work too... Those bootstraps don't pull themselves", ">\n\nPresumably it’s illegal for children under a certain age to ride in a car without a seatbelt or car seat. So an implied extension of this law would mean any pregnant woman who gets into a car is guilty of child endangerment, no? If a fetus is a person then they are by definition under the age where a car seat would be legally required. I’d love to see this logic circle played out on the house floor.", ">\n\nSoooooo they want pregnant women on a registry. And what happens if she doesn't give birth? Where does that information go? Will she get a knock on the door from the popo if there's a miscarriage?\nThe government doesn't need to know who's pregnant. \nNice try Republicans", ">\n\nSo do Republicans actually think they're making the world a better place or do they like playing Evil Mastermind?", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nSneaky fuckers", ">\n\nAt what point does fetushood begin in the proposed bill?", ">\n\nYes, the fetus is a valued human UNTIL it is born in Virginia. Then, who cares.", ">\n\nRidiculous", ">\n\nYou have to register with the state that you're pregnant, and wear the provided red hood and cloak while driving...", ">\n\nAbout time", ">\n\nThey should just mobile ultrasounds in All police cruisers", ">\n\nCommonwealths sure do make things oddly confusing.", ">\n\nI'm not traveling alone, officer! I have here with me the father, the son, and the holy ghost!", ">\n\nOh great, another dogshit selfish reason to have child. What a wonderful timeline", ">\n\nPretty sure sperm should count then.", ">\n\nCan you buy a fetus on ebay?", ">\n\n\nLike Texas' HB 521, Virginia's HB 1894 is unlikely to advance in the state’s politically split Legislature.\n\nAll I needed to know. Any legislator can introduce a bill, but it's all bluster without a realistic road to passage.", ">\n\nAt least they're being consistent I guess?", ">\n\nIt’s all about banning abortion in the long run", ">\n\nIt’s just another step to “fetal personhood”. More dangerous than it seems", ">\n\nSure let's continue to lower the requirements for HOV lanes and make them even more useless and counter to their original purpose.", ">\n\nWhat a waste of time.", ">\n\nThey may be doing this to get “personhood “ for fetuses.", ">\n\nCan the fetus be claimed as a dependent? It's tax time ya know.", ">\n\nWonder what kind of MPG a fetus gets these days...", ">\n\nSo if women are denied medication because they could, at any time, be possibly pregnant, does that mean that all women get to drive in the HOV lanes, because who knows?!", ">\n\nSo... basically... all nubile women have free access to the HOV lanes by merely filling in some paperwork every few months?", ">\n\nSpeeding while pregnant becomes reckless endangerment of a child.", ">\n\nthat pregnant lady who kept driving in the HOV lanes finally did it", ">\n\nIf you need me, I'll be in the HOV lane with my bucket full of fetuses", ">\n\nSo every woman in the state will now claim to be pregnant. Hope they track them and accuse them of abortion if there is no birth in 9 months", ">\n\nBelieve it or not this is a logical next step. With some states saying a fetus is a living person and can't be terminated, you should absolutely be able to drive in the HOV lane with that baby as a 'passenger'.\nI mean the government would sooner let a woman die than have her lose her baby so the least they can do is let her drive I'm the HOV lane." ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states", ">\n\nThey are also marked as HOV lanes, at least in SoCal.", ">\n\nWhat if it’s in a jar asking for a friend.", ">\n\nDoes this mean that you can take out life insurance on fertilized cells, and then collect when only one of them implant? Based.", ">\n\nProbably doable, but the premium is likely to be prohibitive.", ">\n\nWouldn’t this also require them to sit in back with some sort of booster seat?", ">\n\nWhy is this so hard. You should only be qualified for things like HOV lanes if at least one or more passengers is a currently licensed and insured driver. There is no point in children or anyone else who cannot drive a car qualifying since they have to be driven around anyway and do not have the option of adding another car onto the road.", ">\n\nWhy stop there can we carpool with a cup of semen?", ">\n\nYeah this should be easy peasy to enforce.", ">\n\nThis is just too much governing. Too many laws.", ">\n\nHey, fetuses gotta get to work too... Those bootstraps don't pull themselves", ">\n\nPresumably it’s illegal for children under a certain age to ride in a car without a seatbelt or car seat. So an implied extension of this law would mean any pregnant woman who gets into a car is guilty of child endangerment, no? If a fetus is a person then they are by definition under the age where a car seat would be legally required. I’d love to see this logic circle played out on the house floor.", ">\n\nSoooooo they want pregnant women on a registry. And what happens if she doesn't give birth? Where does that information go? Will she get a knock on the door from the popo if there's a miscarriage?\nThe government doesn't need to know who's pregnant. \nNice try Republicans", ">\n\nSo do Republicans actually think they're making the world a better place or do they like playing Evil Mastermind?", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nSneaky fuckers", ">\n\nAt what point does fetushood begin in the proposed bill?", ">\n\nYes, the fetus is a valued human UNTIL it is born in Virginia. Then, who cares.", ">\n\nRidiculous", ">\n\nYou have to register with the state that you're pregnant, and wear the provided red hood and cloak while driving...", ">\n\nAbout time", ">\n\nThey should just mobile ultrasounds in All police cruisers", ">\n\nCommonwealths sure do make things oddly confusing.", ">\n\nI'm not traveling alone, officer! I have here with me the father, the son, and the holy ghost!", ">\n\nOh great, another dogshit selfish reason to have child. What a wonderful timeline", ">\n\nPretty sure sperm should count then.", ">\n\nCan you buy a fetus on ebay?", ">\n\n\nLike Texas' HB 521, Virginia's HB 1894 is unlikely to advance in the state’s politically split Legislature.\n\nAll I needed to know. Any legislator can introduce a bill, but it's all bluster without a realistic road to passage.", ">\n\nAt least they're being consistent I guess?", ">\n\nIt’s all about banning abortion in the long run", ">\n\nIt’s just another step to “fetal personhood”. More dangerous than it seems", ">\n\nSure let's continue to lower the requirements for HOV lanes and make them even more useless and counter to their original purpose.", ">\n\nWhat a waste of time.", ">\n\nThey may be doing this to get “personhood “ for fetuses.", ">\n\nCan the fetus be claimed as a dependent? It's tax time ya know.", ">\n\nWonder what kind of MPG a fetus gets these days...", ">\n\nSo if women are denied medication because they could, at any time, be possibly pregnant, does that mean that all women get to drive in the HOV lanes, because who knows?!", ">\n\nSo... basically... all nubile women have free access to the HOV lanes by merely filling in some paperwork every few months?", ">\n\nSpeeding while pregnant becomes reckless endangerment of a child.", ">\n\nthat pregnant lady who kept driving in the HOV lanes finally did it", ">\n\nIf you need me, I'll be in the HOV lane with my bucket full of fetuses", ">\n\nSo every woman in the state will now claim to be pregnant. Hope they track them and accuse them of abortion if there is no birth in 9 months", ">\n\nBelieve it or not this is a logical next step. With some states saying a fetus is a living person and can't be terminated, you should absolutely be able to drive in the HOV lane with that baby as a 'passenger'.\nI mean the government would sooner let a woman die than have her lose her baby so the least they can do is let her drive I'm the HOV lane.", ">\n\nUnborn baby" ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states", ">\n\nThey are also marked as HOV lanes, at least in SoCal.", ">\n\nWhat if it’s in a jar asking for a friend.", ">\n\nDoes this mean that you can take out life insurance on fertilized cells, and then collect when only one of them implant? Based.", ">\n\nProbably doable, but the premium is likely to be prohibitive.", ">\n\nWouldn’t this also require them to sit in back with some sort of booster seat?", ">\n\nWhy is this so hard. You should only be qualified for things like HOV lanes if at least one or more passengers is a currently licensed and insured driver. There is no point in children or anyone else who cannot drive a car qualifying since they have to be driven around anyway and do not have the option of adding another car onto the road.", ">\n\nWhy stop there can we carpool with a cup of semen?", ">\n\nYeah this should be easy peasy to enforce.", ">\n\nThis is just too much governing. Too many laws.", ">\n\nHey, fetuses gotta get to work too... Those bootstraps don't pull themselves", ">\n\nPresumably it’s illegal for children under a certain age to ride in a car without a seatbelt or car seat. So an implied extension of this law would mean any pregnant woman who gets into a car is guilty of child endangerment, no? If a fetus is a person then they are by definition under the age where a car seat would be legally required. I’d love to see this logic circle played out on the house floor.", ">\n\nSoooooo they want pregnant women on a registry. And what happens if she doesn't give birth? Where does that information go? Will she get a knock on the door from the popo if there's a miscarriage?\nThe government doesn't need to know who's pregnant. \nNice try Republicans", ">\n\nSo do Republicans actually think they're making the world a better place or do they like playing Evil Mastermind?", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nSneaky fuckers", ">\n\nAt what point does fetushood begin in the proposed bill?", ">\n\nYes, the fetus is a valued human UNTIL it is born in Virginia. Then, who cares.", ">\n\nRidiculous", ">\n\nYou have to register with the state that you're pregnant, and wear the provided red hood and cloak while driving...", ">\n\nAbout time", ">\n\nThey should just mobile ultrasounds in All police cruisers", ">\n\nCommonwealths sure do make things oddly confusing.", ">\n\nI'm not traveling alone, officer! I have here with me the father, the son, and the holy ghost!", ">\n\nOh great, another dogshit selfish reason to have child. What a wonderful timeline", ">\n\nPretty sure sperm should count then.", ">\n\nCan you buy a fetus on ebay?", ">\n\n\nLike Texas' HB 521, Virginia's HB 1894 is unlikely to advance in the state’s politically split Legislature.\n\nAll I needed to know. Any legislator can introduce a bill, but it's all bluster without a realistic road to passage.", ">\n\nAt least they're being consistent I guess?", ">\n\nIt’s all about banning abortion in the long run", ">\n\nIt’s just another step to “fetal personhood”. More dangerous than it seems", ">\n\nSure let's continue to lower the requirements for HOV lanes and make them even more useless and counter to their original purpose.", ">\n\nWhat a waste of time.", ">\n\nThey may be doing this to get “personhood “ for fetuses.", ">\n\nCan the fetus be claimed as a dependent? It's tax time ya know.", ">\n\nWonder what kind of MPG a fetus gets these days...", ">\n\nSo if women are denied medication because they could, at any time, be possibly pregnant, does that mean that all women get to drive in the HOV lanes, because who knows?!", ">\n\nSo... basically... all nubile women have free access to the HOV lanes by merely filling in some paperwork every few months?", ">\n\nSpeeding while pregnant becomes reckless endangerment of a child.", ">\n\nthat pregnant lady who kept driving in the HOV lanes finally did it", ">\n\nIf you need me, I'll be in the HOV lane with my bucket full of fetuses", ">\n\nSo every woman in the state will now claim to be pregnant. Hope they track them and accuse them of abortion if there is no birth in 9 months", ">\n\nBelieve it or not this is a logical next step. With some states saying a fetus is a living person and can't be terminated, you should absolutely be able to drive in the HOV lane with that baby as a 'passenger'.\nI mean the government would sooner let a woman die than have her lose her baby so the least they can do is let her drive I'm the HOV lane.", ">\n\nUnborn baby", ">\n\nFetus ≠ person \nThese idiots will not stop." ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states", ">\n\nThey are also marked as HOV lanes, at least in SoCal.", ">\n\nWhat if it’s in a jar asking for a friend.", ">\n\nDoes this mean that you can take out life insurance on fertilized cells, and then collect when only one of them implant? Based.", ">\n\nProbably doable, but the premium is likely to be prohibitive.", ">\n\nWouldn’t this also require them to sit in back with some sort of booster seat?", ">\n\nWhy is this so hard. You should only be qualified for things like HOV lanes if at least one or more passengers is a currently licensed and insured driver. There is no point in children or anyone else who cannot drive a car qualifying since they have to be driven around anyway and do not have the option of adding another car onto the road.", ">\n\nWhy stop there can we carpool with a cup of semen?", ">\n\nYeah this should be easy peasy to enforce.", ">\n\nThis is just too much governing. Too many laws.", ">\n\nHey, fetuses gotta get to work too... Those bootstraps don't pull themselves", ">\n\nPresumably it’s illegal for children under a certain age to ride in a car without a seatbelt or car seat. So an implied extension of this law would mean any pregnant woman who gets into a car is guilty of child endangerment, no? If a fetus is a person then they are by definition under the age where a car seat would be legally required. I’d love to see this logic circle played out on the house floor.", ">\n\nSoooooo they want pregnant women on a registry. And what happens if she doesn't give birth? Where does that information go? Will she get a knock on the door from the popo if there's a miscarriage?\nThe government doesn't need to know who's pregnant. \nNice try Republicans", ">\n\nSo do Republicans actually think they're making the world a better place or do they like playing Evil Mastermind?", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nSneaky fuckers", ">\n\nAt what point does fetushood begin in the proposed bill?", ">\n\nYes, the fetus is a valued human UNTIL it is born in Virginia. Then, who cares.", ">\n\nRidiculous", ">\n\nYou have to register with the state that you're pregnant, and wear the provided red hood and cloak while driving...", ">\n\nAbout time", ">\n\nThey should just mobile ultrasounds in All police cruisers", ">\n\nCommonwealths sure do make things oddly confusing.", ">\n\nI'm not traveling alone, officer! I have here with me the father, the son, and the holy ghost!", ">\n\nOh great, another dogshit selfish reason to have child. What a wonderful timeline", ">\n\nPretty sure sperm should count then.", ">\n\nCan you buy a fetus on ebay?", ">\n\n\nLike Texas' HB 521, Virginia's HB 1894 is unlikely to advance in the state’s politically split Legislature.\n\nAll I needed to know. Any legislator can introduce a bill, but it's all bluster without a realistic road to passage.", ">\n\nAt least they're being consistent I guess?", ">\n\nIt’s all about banning abortion in the long run", ">\n\nIt’s just another step to “fetal personhood”. More dangerous than it seems", ">\n\nSure let's continue to lower the requirements for HOV lanes and make them even more useless and counter to their original purpose.", ">\n\nWhat a waste of time.", ">\n\nThey may be doing this to get “personhood “ for fetuses.", ">\n\nCan the fetus be claimed as a dependent? It's tax time ya know.", ">\n\nWonder what kind of MPG a fetus gets these days...", ">\n\nSo if women are denied medication because they could, at any time, be possibly pregnant, does that mean that all women get to drive in the HOV lanes, because who knows?!", ">\n\nSo... basically... all nubile women have free access to the HOV lanes by merely filling in some paperwork every few months?", ">\n\nSpeeding while pregnant becomes reckless endangerment of a child.", ">\n\nthat pregnant lady who kept driving in the HOV lanes finally did it", ">\n\nIf you need me, I'll be in the HOV lane with my bucket full of fetuses", ">\n\nSo every woman in the state will now claim to be pregnant. Hope they track them and accuse them of abortion if there is no birth in 9 months", ">\n\nBelieve it or not this is a logical next step. With some states saying a fetus is a living person and can't be terminated, you should absolutely be able to drive in the HOV lane with that baby as a 'passenger'.\nI mean the government would sooner let a woman die than have her lose her baby so the least they can do is let her drive I'm the HOV lane.", ">\n\nUnborn baby", ">\n\nFetus ≠ person \nThese idiots will not stop.", ">\n\nIf Usa want babies, they need to implement this Bill in the whole country, save the bebes." ]

[ "Have to give that fetus a seatbelt violation though.", ">\n\nThe fetus to prison pipeline", ">\n\nA nurse whose job it is to stand by during delivery and immediately slap on tiny handcuffs", ">\n\nThis system would require pregnant women to notify the state so they can get special permission to drive. Not only does it advance fetal personhood laws but also creates a database of women who open themselves up to legal liability.", ">\n\nNext step: Pregnant women shouldn't drive.\nLater: Women shouldn't drive, as they may not know right away if they are pregnant.\nLater: Women shouldn't be allowed independent movement in public without a male guardian.\nMuch later: Handmaid's Tale.", ">\n\nI see Virginia is trying to model Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nWell fuck. Virginia's trying to be worse than Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nSo, how does this work? Single woman driving in the HOV lane. Pulled over by cop. Roadside pregnancy test?", ">\n\nGiven the police desire to search things, I suspect: transvaginal-ultrasound,", ">\n\nSpread your cheeks we need to check.", ">\n\nDave Chappelle? Why didn’t you just say so?", ">\n\nPutting the idea of fetus rights and abortion politics aside for a moment, this bill misses the point of the purpose of HOV lanes, which is to encourage carpooling to reduce the number of vehicles on the highway.\nA mother and a fetus (again, ignoring for a moment the question of personhood of the fetus) has no choice but to be in a car together, so this provision would do nothing to encourage or advance the cause of carpooling.\nIf the provisions of the bill serve no relation to the purpose of HOV lanes, then it shouldn't be part of the HOV lane laws.", ">\n\nI've never understood this. If i was wealthy enough to have a driver, I'd always be carpooling. It really fucks the average workingman in the ass to have a lane dedicated to 'carpooling' \nWhat does carpooling even really do? Reduce traffic congestion? To what end? Why not just improve infrastructure so mostly-empty cars wouldn't take up the roads?", ">\n\n\nWhat does carpooling even really do?\n\nReduce commute time, reduce congestion, reduce air pollution, reduce fuel consumption, potentially reduce stress of occupants.\nIt's not really that hard to think of the benefits it provides.", ">\n\nBoy, it's almost like we invented something that does all these things before we invented cars. Can't remember what those things are called to save my life. . . .", ">\n\nTravelling in a car with someone you know at the start/end of the day is gonna be way more pleasant than a bike/bus/whatever you were suggesting with that ambiguous nothingburger comment.\nYou're just being deliberately obtuse and contrarian, with no counter argument besides \"rebuild everything\" or \"use outdated/inconvenient/uncomfortable alternatives\" because the idea that having a comparatively cheap to implement and easily sold to the masses method of reducing all the things I've mentioned offends you for some reason.", ">\n\nThe carpool lane is a feel-good band-aid that does very little to tackle the problems you suggest it helps to solve.", ">\n\nI dunno about that, gonna have to show some data to back up that claim.\nIn any case, it might be less effective than your more drastic and expensive \"solutions\" like restructuring an entire city (or convincing an entire city to ditch their comfortable cars and put up with shitty public transit), but that doesn't mean it's not worth implementing to aid in achieving the same end goals.", ">\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes. \nIt's like suggesting there would be less traffic if we expand lanes. Yeah, the assumption seems right, but in reality more people are more likely to use their private cars because they assume there will be less traffic.", ">\n\n\nI think the burden is on the folks promoting carpool lanes.\n\nTheir fairly widespread existence and the fact that people consistently use them to the point that it's being leveraged by pro-life whackos to further their agenda, as seen by this post we are having a discussion in, seems like pretty good proof of my point.\nNow prove me as wrong as you claim I am with something more concrete than just \"I think they're stupid\".", ">\n\nIt's a thinly veiled attempt to increase laws stipulating that a fetus is an individual. They don't care about the particular law in this case, only that it can be used deceptively in future legislation. (Edit: Oops. Already mentioned just below. Glad it's so transparent.)", ">\n\nSo in theory, child support and health insurance for the fetus should start at conception? Maybe life insurance that would have to payout for a miscarriage? Do they really want to open that can of worms?", ">\n\nPayout for miscarriage? Nah they dont pay for that kind of kill. After all, that would either be counted as criminal negligence, or intended murder.", ">\n\nI know you’re being facetious, but life insurance would only pay out if the mother had already taken out a life insurance claim on their unborn child. And even then, the premium could be prohibitively expensive, ensuring that legally the company is in good standing but not having the liability burden they would otherwise. Life insurance provided by your employer does not typically cover dependents and is called “Basic Life Insurance.”", ">\n\nI am not talking about the viability of getting insurance. Anything can be insured. What I mean is that for conservative geniuses, it is perfectly reasonable to accuse a miscarriage of murder, since the one who died was legally a person.", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nThis is obviously the real goal. It’s not like they actually intend to have state troopers administer pregnancy tests to determine if HOV lane drivers are with child.", ">\n\nIt's an HOV lane straight to Gilead", ">\n\nLadies about to start stuffing their shirts with a pillow", ">\n\njust carry a positive pregnancy test...", ">\n\nI feel like pillows are more widely available but sure that works too", ">\n\nIf a fetus is a person, are men going to start paying child support at conception?", ">\n\n\nThe legislation would require pregnant people to show \"proof\" of pregnancy, obtainable by having \"certified\" their pregnancies with the state Transportation Department. \n\nLmaooooooo no thanks.", ">\n\nis having sex with a pregnant woman going to be child endangerment and a sex crime with a minor?", ">\n\nAsking the real questions", ">\n\nKind of adds insult to injury whenever there's a miscarriage, though", ">\n\nStraight to jail according to them.", ">\n\nWhen will a fetus be treated as a trespasser in stand your ground cases? \n\"Mr. Fetus, I have asked you repeatedly to leave. I have posted no trespassing signs, and you are hurting my wife. If you do not leave, my wife has the God-given right to defend herself.\"", ">\n\nThis is why these laws make no fucking sense, but anti choicers will continue to pretend that they do", ">\n\nSo will pregnant woman have to buy two tickets to attend a concert? We are all aware that babies in the womb enjoy music…", ">\n\nDon't give Ticketbastard any ideas!", ">\n\nHand to god, I told my wife this would be a thing last year. I was just a little early on calling it.", ">\n\nthis law makes sense because otherwise there would be no incentive for the fetus to share a car with the mom.... this will cut down on amount of cars on the road.... /s", ">\n\nSurely nothing could go wrong by registering a pregnancy with the government. Right?", ">\n\ndoes it have to be inside a women? or can i just get a bag full of biohazardous waste and keep it in my trunk", ">\n\nOh sure but the 12 million “babies” in my nutsack can’t get me in the HOV lane. Male rights are always being trampled. /s", ">\n\nIt doesn’t make sense that any kids below driving age should count in the HOV lane anyway. The purpose of HOV lanes is to put 2+ drivers who would normally be in separate cars, into one.", ">\n\nSee, while I've always chuckled at the \"I'm pregnant, I can drive in HOV\" protest, this is the inevitable downside. By embracing it, they reinforce the fetal personhood frame and damage the functionality of HOV lanes (resentment from other drivers who see a solo person in HOV without seeing the pregnancy, and more total vehicles in HOV reducing their advantage over other traffic.)", ">\n\nThey just want a registry of who is pregnant because they are hoping to one day prosecute people who leave the state for abortions", ">\n\nThen an abortion would count as willingly and intentionally taking another life.", ">\n\nWhat if one has schizophrenia with say 10 personalities? Would you need a Bus drivers license?", ">\n\nSurely carpool lanes should be for people capable of driving alone, but choosing not to?", ">\n\nI mean, the point of an HOV lane is to encourage carpooling so there's less vehicles clogging traffic. A pregnant woman driving by herself isn't really doing anything to combat that. This bill is kinda silly.", ">\n\nShhhh…. Few more steps and we can claim fetuses in cold storage as dependents on taxes. Also, there’s no cold storage, just a million pretend dependents.", ">\n\nGotta love when republicans make ridiculous George Carlin jokes into a reality", ">\n\nAlso known as a carpool lane for those of you who live in California (like me) and some other states", ">\n\nThey are also marked as HOV lanes, at least in SoCal.", ">\n\nWhat if it’s in a jar asking for a friend.", ">\n\nDoes this mean that you can take out life insurance on fertilized cells, and then collect when only one of them implant? Based.", ">\n\nProbably doable, but the premium is likely to be prohibitive.", ">\n\nWouldn’t this also require them to sit in back with some sort of booster seat?", ">\n\nWhy is this so hard. You should only be qualified for things like HOV lanes if at least one or more passengers is a currently licensed and insured driver. There is no point in children or anyone else who cannot drive a car qualifying since they have to be driven around anyway and do not have the option of adding another car onto the road.", ">\n\nWhy stop there can we carpool with a cup of semen?", ">\n\nYeah this should be easy peasy to enforce.", ">\n\nThis is just too much governing. Too many laws.", ">\n\nHey, fetuses gotta get to work too... Those bootstraps don't pull themselves", ">\n\nPresumably it’s illegal for children under a certain age to ride in a car without a seatbelt or car seat. So an implied extension of this law would mean any pregnant woman who gets into a car is guilty of child endangerment, no? If a fetus is a person then they are by definition under the age where a car seat would be legally required. I’d love to see this logic circle played out on the house floor.", ">\n\nSoooooo they want pregnant women on a registry. And what happens if she doesn't give birth? Where does that information go? Will she get a knock on the door from the popo if there's a miscarriage?\nThe government doesn't need to know who's pregnant. \nNice try Republicans", ">\n\nSo do Republicans actually think they're making the world a better place or do they like playing Evil Mastermind?", ">\n\n\nReproductive rights activists say the legislation amounts to a thinly veiled attempt by anti-abortion Republican lawmakers to further curtail abortion rights by advancing so-called personhood laws that seek to protect the rights of the unborn through unconventional avenues.\n\nSneaky fuckers", ">\n\nAt what point does fetushood begin in the proposed bill?", ">\n\nYes, the fetus is a valued human UNTIL it is born in Virginia. Then, who cares.", ">\n\nRidiculous", ">\n\nYou have to register with the state that you're pregnant, and wear the provided red hood and cloak while driving...", ">\n\nAbout time", ">\n\nThey should just mobile ultrasounds in All police cruisers", ">\n\nCommonwealths sure do make things oddly confusing.", ">\n\nI'm not traveling alone, officer! I have here with me the father, the son, and the holy ghost!", ">\n\nOh great, another dogshit selfish reason to have child. What a wonderful timeline", ">\n\nPretty sure sperm should count then.", ">\n\nCan you buy a fetus on ebay?", ">\n\n\nLike Texas' HB 521, Virginia's HB 1894 is unlikely to advance in the state’s politically split Legislature.\n\nAll I needed to know. Any legislator can introduce a bill, but it's all bluster without a realistic road to passage.", ">\n\nAt least they're being consistent I guess?", ">\n\nIt’s all about banning abortion in the long run", ">\n\nIt’s just another step to “fetal personhood”. More dangerous than it seems", ">\n\nSure let's continue to lower the requirements for HOV lanes and make them even more useless and counter to their original purpose.", ">\n\nWhat a waste of time.", ">\n\nThey may be doing this to get “personhood “ for fetuses.", ">\n\nCan the fetus be claimed as a dependent? It's tax time ya know.", ">\n\nWonder what kind of MPG a fetus gets these days...", ">\n\nSo if women are denied medication because they could, at any time, be possibly pregnant, does that mean that all women get to drive in the HOV lanes, because who knows?!", ">\n\nSo... basically... all nubile women have free access to the HOV lanes by merely filling in some paperwork every few months?", ">\n\nSpeeding while pregnant becomes reckless endangerment of a child.", ">\n\nthat pregnant lady who kept driving in the HOV lanes finally did it", ">\n\nIf you need me, I'll be in the HOV lane with my bucket full of fetuses", ">\n\nSo every woman in the state will now claim to be pregnant. Hope they track them and accuse them of abortion if there is no birth in 9 months", ">\n\nBelieve it or not this is a logical next step. With some states saying a fetus is a living person and can't be terminated, you should absolutely be able to drive in the HOV lane with that baby as a 'passenger'.\nI mean the government would sooner let a woman die than have her lose her baby so the least they can do is let her drive I'm the HOV lane.", ">\n\nUnborn baby", ">\n\nFetus ≠ person \nThese idiots will not stop.", ">\n\nIf Usa want babies, they need to implement this Bill in the whole country, save the bebes.", ">\n\nA pregnant person , you mean a WOMAN ?" ]

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[ "Lol isn't there a petition already with thousands of signatures?" ]

[ "Lol isn't there a petition already with thousands of signatures?", ">\n\nYeah but he didn't say which 142 people." ]

[ "Lol isn't there a petition already with thousands of signatures?", ">\n\nYeah but he didn't say which 142 people.", ">\n\nThis is my though- hope someone is looking at that angle." ]

[ "Lol isn't there a petition already with thousands of signatures?", ">\n\nYeah but he didn't say which 142 people.", ">\n\nThis is my though- hope someone is looking at that angle.", ">\n\n'143' asked so I'm not resigning." ]

[ "Lol isn't there a petition already with thousands of signatures?", ">\n\nYeah but he didn't say which 142 people.", ">\n\nThis is my though- hope someone is looking at that angle.", ">\n\n'143' asked so I'm not resigning.", ">\n\n142-ish" ]

[ "Lol isn't there a petition already with thousands of signatures?", ">\n\nYeah but he didn't say which 142 people.", ">\n\nThis is my though- hope someone is looking at that angle.", ">\n\n'143' asked so I'm not resigning.", ">\n\n142-ish", ">\n\nBy his definition of Jew ish we are all Jewish." ]

[ "Lol isn't there a petition already with thousands of signatures?", ">\n\nYeah but he didn't say which 142 people.", ">\n\nThis is my though- hope someone is looking at that angle.", ">\n\n'143' asked so I'm not resigning.", ">\n\n142-ish", ">\n\nBy his definition of Jew ish we are all Jewish.", ">\n\nLike Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like" ]

[ "Lol isn't there a petition already with thousands of signatures?", ">\n\nYeah but he didn't say which 142 people.", ">\n\nThis is my though- hope someone is looking at that angle.", ">\n\n'143' asked so I'm not resigning.", ">\n\n142-ish", ">\n\nBy his definition of Jew ish we are all Jewish.", ">\n\nLike Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like", ">\n\nWhat have I done?" ]

[ "Lol isn't there a petition already with thousands of signatures?", ">\n\nYeah but he didn't say which 142 people.", ">\n\nThis is my though- hope someone is looking at that angle.", ">\n\n'143' asked so I'm not resigning.", ">\n\n142-ish", ">\n\nBy his definition of Jew ish we are all Jewish.", ">\n\nLike Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like", ">\n\nWhat have I done?", ">\n\nLooks like that eyebrow is gonna be gone soon! 😱" ]

[ "Lol isn't there a petition already with thousands of signatures?", ">\n\nYeah but he didn't say which 142 people.", ">\n\nThis is my though- hope someone is looking at that angle.", ">\n\n'143' asked so I'm not resigning.", ">\n\n142-ish", ">\n\nBy his definition of Jew ish we are all Jewish.", ">\n\nLike Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like", ">\n\nWhat have I done?", ">\n\nLooks like that eyebrow is gonna be gone soon! 😱", ">\n\nIt needs to be the right eyebrow that you destroy!" ]

[ "Lol isn't there a petition already with thousands of signatures?", ">\n\nYeah but he didn't say which 142 people.", ">\n\nThis is my though- hope someone is looking at that angle.", ">\n\n'143' asked so I'm not resigning.", ">\n\n142-ish", ">\n\nBy his definition of Jew ish we are all Jewish.", ">\n\nLike Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like", ">\n\nWhat have I done?", ">\n\nLooks like that eyebrow is gonna be gone soon! 😱", ">\n\nIt needs to be the right eyebrow that you destroy!", ">\n\n\nLeft eyebrow turns into a unibrow\n”You were the chosen one! You were supposed to destroy the right eyebrows, not join them!”" ]

[ "Lol isn't there a petition already with thousands of signatures?", ">\n\nYeah but he didn't say which 142 people.", ">\n\nThis is my though- hope someone is looking at that angle.", ">\n\n'143' asked so I'm not resigning.", ">\n\n142-ish", ">\n\nBy his definition of Jew ish we are all Jewish.", ">\n\nLike Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like", ">\n\nWhat have I done?", ">\n\nLooks like that eyebrow is gonna be gone soon! 😱", ">\n\nIt needs to be the right eyebrow that you destroy!", ">\n\n\nLeft eyebrow turns into a unibrow\n”You were the chosen one! You were supposed to destroy the right eyebrows, not join them!”", ">\n\n\n\"I will resign if 88 people ask me to\", exclaimed Rep. Santos as he motioned to the press with a distinctive hand gesture often associated with \"white power\" organizations." ]

[ "Lol isn't there a petition already with thousands of signatures?", ">\n\nYeah but he didn't say which 142 people.", ">\n\nThis is my though- hope someone is looking at that angle.", ">\n\n'143' asked so I'm not resigning.", ">\n\n142-ish", ">\n\nBy his definition of Jew ish we are all Jewish.", ">\n\nLike Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like", ">\n\nWhat have I done?", ">\n\nLooks like that eyebrow is gonna be gone soon! 😱", ">\n\nIt needs to be the right eyebrow that you destroy!", ">\n\n\nLeft eyebrow turns into a unibrow\n”You were the chosen one! You were supposed to destroy the right eyebrows, not join them!”", ">\n\n\n\"I will resign if 88 people ask me to\", exclaimed Rep. Santos as he motioned to the press with a distinctive hand gesture often associated with \"white power\" organizations.", ">\n\n\"And if there are 14 more people with very strong words about my being a Congressman going forward, then we will also take that into consideration.\"" ]

[ "Lol isn't there a petition already with thousands of signatures?", ">\n\nYeah but he didn't say which 142 people.", ">\n\nThis is my though- hope someone is looking at that angle.", ">\n\n'143' asked so I'm not resigning.", ">\n\n142-ish", ">\n\nBy his definition of Jew ish we are all Jewish.", ">\n\nLike Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like", ">\n\nWhat have I done?", ">\n\nLooks like that eyebrow is gonna be gone soon! 😱", ">\n\nIt needs to be the right eyebrow that you destroy!", ">\n\n\nLeft eyebrow turns into a unibrow\n”You were the chosen one! You were supposed to destroy the right eyebrows, not join them!”", ">\n\n\n\"I will resign if 88 people ask me to\", exclaimed Rep. Santos as he motioned to the press with a distinctive hand gesture often associated with \"white power\" organizations.", ">\n\n\"And if there are 14 more people with very strong words about my being a Congressman going forward, then we will also take that into consideration.\"", ">\n\nHe is an ass, but I think it is misleading and he mispoke. A statement he appears to have immediately corrected. He obviously meant the 142k people that voted for him to get this asshat in office. No someone needs to get a petition or a recall election in his district to get him gone." ]

[ "Lol isn't there a petition already with thousands of signatures?", ">\n\nYeah but he didn't say which 142 people.", ">\n\nThis is my though- hope someone is looking at that angle.", ">\n\n'143' asked so I'm not resigning.", ">\n\n142-ish", ">\n\nBy his definition of Jew ish we are all Jewish.", ">\n\nLike Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like", ">\n\nWhat have I done?", ">\n\nLooks like that eyebrow is gonna be gone soon! 😱", ">\n\nIt needs to be the right eyebrow that you destroy!", ">\n\n\nLeft eyebrow turns into a unibrow\n”You were the chosen one! You were supposed to destroy the right eyebrows, not join them!”", ">\n\n\n\"I will resign if 88 people ask me to\", exclaimed Rep. Santos as he motioned to the press with a distinctive hand gesture often associated with \"white power\" organizations.", ">\n\n\"And if there are 14 more people with very strong words about my being a Congressman going forward, then we will also take that into consideration.\"", ">\n\nHe is an ass, but I think it is misleading and he mispoke. A statement he appears to have immediately corrected. He obviously meant the 142k people that voted for him to get this asshat in office. No someone needs to get a petition or a recall election in his district to get him gone.", ">\n\nThere is no recall process for Congress. He'll either have to resign under pressure or be expelled or his district will have to vote him out next election cycle." ]

[ "Lol isn't there a petition already with thousands of signatures?", ">\n\nYeah but he didn't say which 142 people.", ">\n\nThis is my though- hope someone is looking at that angle.", ">\n\n'143' asked so I'm not resigning.", ">\n\n142-ish", ">\n\nBy his definition of Jew ish we are all Jewish.", ">\n\nLike Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like", ">\n\nWhat have I done?", ">\n\nLooks like that eyebrow is gonna be gone soon! 😱", ">\n\nIt needs to be the right eyebrow that you destroy!", ">\n\n\nLeft eyebrow turns into a unibrow\n”You were the chosen one! You were supposed to destroy the right eyebrows, not join them!”", ">\n\n\n\"I will resign if 88 people ask me to\", exclaimed Rep. Santos as he motioned to the press with a distinctive hand gesture often associated with \"white power\" organizations.", ">\n\n\"And if there are 14 more people with very strong words about my being a Congressman going forward, then we will also take that into consideration.\"", ">\n\nHe is an ass, but I think it is misleading and he mispoke. A statement he appears to have immediately corrected. He obviously meant the 142k people that voted for him to get this asshat in office. No someone needs to get a petition or a recall election in his district to get him gone.", ">\n\nThere is no recall process for Congress. He'll either have to resign under pressure or be expelled or his district will have to vote him out next election cycle.", ">\n\nhe will be assigned to no committees, invited to no meetings, take no wives, own no lands, and no hold no titles. \nbeing a congress member in the house when all you get to do is vote on bills is like owning a jetski without a gas tank. you can launch it and float around on it, but you're not going to have the same experience as everyone else." ]

[ "Lol isn't there a petition already with thousands of signatures?", ">\n\nYeah but he didn't say which 142 people.", ">\n\nThis is my though- hope someone is looking at that angle.", ">\n\n'143' asked so I'm not resigning.", ">\n\n142-ish", ">\n\nBy his definition of Jew ish we are all Jewish.", ">\n\nLike Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like", ">\n\nWhat have I done?", ">\n\nLooks like that eyebrow is gonna be gone soon! 😱", ">\n\nIt needs to be the right eyebrow that you destroy!", ">\n\n\nLeft eyebrow turns into a unibrow\n”You were the chosen one! You were supposed to destroy the right eyebrows, not join them!”", ">\n\n\n\"I will resign if 88 people ask me to\", exclaimed Rep. Santos as he motioned to the press with a distinctive hand gesture often associated with \"white power\" organizations.", ">\n\n\"And if there are 14 more people with very strong words about my being a Congressman going forward, then we will also take that into consideration.\"", ">\n\nHe is an ass, but I think it is misleading and he mispoke. A statement he appears to have immediately corrected. He obviously meant the 142k people that voted for him to get this asshat in office. No someone needs to get a petition or a recall election in his district to get him gone.", ">\n\nThere is no recall process for Congress. He'll either have to resign under pressure or be expelled or his district will have to vote him out next election cycle.", ">\n\nhe will be assigned to no committees, invited to no meetings, take no wives, own no lands, and no hold no titles. \nbeing a congress member in the house when all you get to do is vote on bills is like owning a jetski without a gas tank. you can launch it and float around on it, but you're not going to have the same experience as everyone else.", ">\n\nUnless I've missed something, I don't think McCarthy has indicated Santos won't be on committees, so he'll get his time, make a spectacle and the media will cover it, because that's what they do.\nI agree freshman congressman have little power or influence, but I wouldn't be surprised if this idiot is around for the next two years. McCarthy is probably excited about the distraction Santos provides." ]

[ "Lol isn't there a petition already with thousands of signatures?", ">\n\nYeah but he didn't say which 142 people.", ">\n\nThis is my though- hope someone is looking at that angle.", ">\n\n'143' asked so I'm not resigning.", ">\n\n142-ish", ">\n\nBy his definition of Jew ish we are all Jewish.", ">\n\nLike Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like", ">\n\nWhat have I done?", ">\n\nLooks like that eyebrow is gonna be gone soon! 😱", ">\n\nIt needs to be the right eyebrow that you destroy!", ">\n\n\nLeft eyebrow turns into a unibrow\n”You were the chosen one! You were supposed to destroy the right eyebrows, not join them!”", ">\n\n\n\"I will resign if 88 people ask me to\", exclaimed Rep. Santos as he motioned to the press with a distinctive hand gesture often associated with \"white power\" organizations.", ">\n\n\"And if there are 14 more people with very strong words about my being a Congressman going forward, then we will also take that into consideration.\"", ">\n\nHe is an ass, but I think it is misleading and he mispoke. A statement he appears to have immediately corrected. He obviously meant the 142k people that voted for him to get this asshat in office. No someone needs to get a petition or a recall election in his district to get him gone.", ">\n\nThere is no recall process for Congress. He'll either have to resign under pressure or be expelled or his district will have to vote him out next election cycle.", ">\n\nhe will be assigned to no committees, invited to no meetings, take no wives, own no lands, and no hold no titles. \nbeing a congress member in the house when all you get to do is vote on bills is like owning a jetski without a gas tank. you can launch it and float around on it, but you're not going to have the same experience as everyone else.", ">\n\nUnless I've missed something, I don't think McCarthy has indicated Santos won't be on committees, so he'll get his time, make a spectacle and the media will cover it, because that's what they do.\nI agree freshman congressman have little power or influence, but I wouldn't be surprised if this idiot is around for the next two years. McCarthy is probably excited about the distraction Santos provides.", ">\n\ni don't know, santos was pretty radioactive during the whole speaker debacle." ]

[ "Lol isn't there a petition already with thousands of signatures?", ">\n\nYeah but he didn't say which 142 people.", ">\n\nThis is my though- hope someone is looking at that angle.", ">\n\n'143' asked so I'm not resigning.", ">\n\n142-ish", ">\n\nBy his definition of Jew ish we are all Jewish.", ">\n\nLike Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like", ">\n\nWhat have I done?", ">\n\nLooks like that eyebrow is gonna be gone soon! 😱", ">\n\nIt needs to be the right eyebrow that you destroy!", ">\n\n\nLeft eyebrow turns into a unibrow\n”You were the chosen one! You were supposed to destroy the right eyebrows, not join them!”", ">\n\n\n\"I will resign if 88 people ask me to\", exclaimed Rep. Santos as he motioned to the press with a distinctive hand gesture often associated with \"white power\" organizations.", ">\n\n\"And if there are 14 more people with very strong words about my being a Congressman going forward, then we will also take that into consideration.\"", ">\n\nHe is an ass, but I think it is misleading and he mispoke. A statement he appears to have immediately corrected. He obviously meant the 142k people that voted for him to get this asshat in office. No someone needs to get a petition or a recall election in his district to get him gone.", ">\n\nThere is no recall process for Congress. He'll either have to resign under pressure or be expelled or his district will have to vote him out next election cycle.", ">\n\nhe will be assigned to no committees, invited to no meetings, take no wives, own no lands, and no hold no titles. \nbeing a congress member in the house when all you get to do is vote on bills is like owning a jetski without a gas tank. you can launch it and float around on it, but you're not going to have the same experience as everyone else.", ">\n\nUnless I've missed something, I don't think McCarthy has indicated Santos won't be on committees, so he'll get his time, make a spectacle and the media will cover it, because that's what they do.\nI agree freshman congressman have little power or influence, but I wouldn't be surprised if this idiot is around for the next two years. McCarthy is probably excited about the distraction Santos provides.", ">\n\ni don't know, santos was pretty radioactive during the whole speaker debacle.", ">\n\nMcCarthy has explicitly said that he will put Santos on committees." ]

[ "Lol isn't there a petition already with thousands of signatures?", ">\n\nYeah but he didn't say which 142 people.", ">\n\nThis is my though- hope someone is looking at that angle.", ">\n\n'143' asked so I'm not resigning.", ">\n\n142-ish", ">\n\nBy his definition of Jew ish we are all Jewish.", ">\n\nLike Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like", ">\n\nWhat have I done?", ">\n\nLooks like that eyebrow is gonna be gone soon! 😱", ">\n\nIt needs to be the right eyebrow that you destroy!", ">\n\n\nLeft eyebrow turns into a unibrow\n”You were the chosen one! You were supposed to destroy the right eyebrows, not join them!”", ">\n\n\n\"I will resign if 88 people ask me to\", exclaimed Rep. Santos as he motioned to the press with a distinctive hand gesture often associated with \"white power\" organizations.", ">\n\n\"And if there are 14 more people with very strong words about my being a Congressman going forward, then we will also take that into consideration.\"", ">\n\nHe is an ass, but I think it is misleading and he mispoke. A statement he appears to have immediately corrected. He obviously meant the 142k people that voted for him to get this asshat in office. No someone needs to get a petition or a recall election in his district to get him gone.", ">\n\nThere is no recall process for Congress. He'll either have to resign under pressure or be expelled or his district will have to vote him out next election cycle.", ">\n\nhe will be assigned to no committees, invited to no meetings, take no wives, own no lands, and no hold no titles. \nbeing a congress member in the house when all you get to do is vote on bills is like owning a jetski without a gas tank. you can launch it and float around on it, but you're not going to have the same experience as everyone else.", ">\n\nUnless I've missed something, I don't think McCarthy has indicated Santos won't be on committees, so he'll get his time, make a spectacle and the media will cover it, because that's what they do.\nI agree freshman congressman have little power or influence, but I wouldn't be surprised if this idiot is around for the next two years. McCarthy is probably excited about the distraction Santos provides.", ">\n\ni don't know, santos was pretty radioactive during the whole speaker debacle.", ">\n\nMcCarthy has explicitly said that he will put Santos on committees.", ">\n\n“I meant 142 thousand people.”\n“I meant 142 thousand people in my district.”\n“I meant 142,000 people in my district…with red hair.”" ]

[ "Lol isn't there a petition already with thousands of signatures?", ">\n\nYeah but he didn't say which 142 people.", ">\n\nThis is my though- hope someone is looking at that angle.", ">\n\n'143' asked so I'm not resigning.", ">\n\n142-ish", ">\n\nBy his definition of Jew ish we are all Jewish.", ">\n\nLike Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like", ">\n\nWhat have I done?", ">\n\nLooks like that eyebrow is gonna be gone soon! 😱", ">\n\nIt needs to be the right eyebrow that you destroy!", ">\n\n\nLeft eyebrow turns into a unibrow\n”You were the chosen one! You were supposed to destroy the right eyebrows, not join them!”", ">\n\n\n\"I will resign if 88 people ask me to\", exclaimed Rep. Santos as he motioned to the press with a distinctive hand gesture often associated with \"white power\" organizations.", ">\n\n\"And if there are 14 more people with very strong words about my being a Congressman going forward, then we will also take that into consideration.\"", ">\n\nHe is an ass, but I think it is misleading and he mispoke. A statement he appears to have immediately corrected. He obviously meant the 142k people that voted for him to get this asshat in office. No someone needs to get a petition or a recall election in his district to get him gone.", ">\n\nThere is no recall process for Congress. He'll either have to resign under pressure or be expelled or his district will have to vote him out next election cycle.", ">\n\nhe will be assigned to no committees, invited to no meetings, take no wives, own no lands, and no hold no titles. \nbeing a congress member in the house when all you get to do is vote on bills is like owning a jetski without a gas tank. you can launch it and float around on it, but you're not going to have the same experience as everyone else.", ">\n\nUnless I've missed something, I don't think McCarthy has indicated Santos won't be on committees, so he'll get his time, make a spectacle and the media will cover it, because that's what they do.\nI agree freshman congressman have little power or influence, but I wouldn't be surprised if this idiot is around for the next two years. McCarthy is probably excited about the distraction Santos provides.", ">\n\ni don't know, santos was pretty radioactive during the whole speaker debacle.", ">\n\nMcCarthy has explicitly said that he will put Santos on committees.", ">\n\n“I meant 142 thousand people.”\n“I meant 142 thousand people in my district.”\n“I meant 142,000 people in my district…with red hair.”", ">\n\nJust begging for a recall election." ]

[ "Lol isn't there a petition already with thousands of signatures?", ">\n\nYeah but he didn't say which 142 people.", ">\n\nThis is my though- hope someone is looking at that angle.", ">\n\n'143' asked so I'm not resigning.", ">\n\n142-ish", ">\n\nBy his definition of Jew ish we are all Jewish.", ">\n\nLike Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like", ">\n\nWhat have I done?", ">\n\nLooks like that eyebrow is gonna be gone soon! 😱", ">\n\nIt needs to be the right eyebrow that you destroy!", ">\n\n\nLeft eyebrow turns into a unibrow\n”You were the chosen one! You were supposed to destroy the right eyebrows, not join them!”", ">\n\n\n\"I will resign if 88 people ask me to\", exclaimed Rep. Santos as he motioned to the press with a distinctive hand gesture often associated with \"white power\" organizations.", ">\n\n\"And if there are 14 more people with very strong words about my being a Congressman going forward, then we will also take that into consideration.\"", ">\n\nHe is an ass, but I think it is misleading and he mispoke. A statement he appears to have immediately corrected. He obviously meant the 142k people that voted for him to get this asshat in office. No someone needs to get a petition or a recall election in his district to get him gone.", ">\n\nThere is no recall process for Congress. He'll either have to resign under pressure or be expelled or his district will have to vote him out next election cycle.", ">\n\nhe will be assigned to no committees, invited to no meetings, take no wives, own no lands, and no hold no titles. \nbeing a congress member in the house when all you get to do is vote on bills is like owning a jetski without a gas tank. you can launch it and float around on it, but you're not going to have the same experience as everyone else.", ">\n\nUnless I've missed something, I don't think McCarthy has indicated Santos won't be on committees, so he'll get his time, make a spectacle and the media will cover it, because that's what they do.\nI agree freshman congressman have little power or influence, but I wouldn't be surprised if this idiot is around for the next two years. McCarthy is probably excited about the distraction Santos provides.", ">\n\ni don't know, santos was pretty radioactive during the whole speaker debacle.", ">\n\nMcCarthy has explicitly said that he will put Santos on committees.", ">\n\n“I meant 142 thousand people.”\n“I meant 142 thousand people in my district.”\n“I meant 142,000 people in my district…with red hair.”", ">\n\nJust begging for a recall election.", ">\n\nWish that was possible." ]

[ "Lol isn't there a petition already with thousands of signatures?", ">\n\nYeah but he didn't say which 142 people.", ">\n\nThis is my though- hope someone is looking at that angle.", ">\n\n'143' asked so I'm not resigning.", ">\n\n142-ish", ">\n\nBy his definition of Jew ish we are all Jewish.", ">\n\nLike Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like", ">\n\nWhat have I done?", ">\n\nLooks like that eyebrow is gonna be gone soon! 😱", ">\n\nIt needs to be the right eyebrow that you destroy!", ">\n\n\nLeft eyebrow turns into a unibrow\n”You were the chosen one! You were supposed to destroy the right eyebrows, not join them!”", ">\n\n\n\"I will resign if 88 people ask me to\", exclaimed Rep. Santos as he motioned to the press with a distinctive hand gesture often associated with \"white power\" organizations.", ">\n\n\"And if there are 14 more people with very strong words about my being a Congressman going forward, then we will also take that into consideration.\"", ">\n\nHe is an ass, but I think it is misleading and he mispoke. A statement he appears to have immediately corrected. He obviously meant the 142k people that voted for him to get this asshat in office. No someone needs to get a petition or a recall election in his district to get him gone.", ">\n\nThere is no recall process for Congress. He'll either have to resign under pressure or be expelled or his district will have to vote him out next election cycle.", ">\n\nhe will be assigned to no committees, invited to no meetings, take no wives, own no lands, and no hold no titles. \nbeing a congress member in the house when all you get to do is vote on bills is like owning a jetski without a gas tank. you can launch it and float around on it, but you're not going to have the same experience as everyone else.", ">\n\nUnless I've missed something, I don't think McCarthy has indicated Santos won't be on committees, so he'll get his time, make a spectacle and the media will cover it, because that's what they do.\nI agree freshman congressman have little power or influence, but I wouldn't be surprised if this idiot is around for the next two years. McCarthy is probably excited about the distraction Santos provides.", ">\n\ni don't know, santos was pretty radioactive during the whole speaker debacle.", ">\n\nMcCarthy has explicitly said that he will put Santos on committees.", ">\n\n“I meant 142 thousand people.”\n“I meant 142 thousand people in my district.”\n“I meant 142,000 people in my district…with red hair.”", ">\n\nJust begging for a recall election.", ">\n\nWish that was possible.", ">\n\nI'm sure this statement from rep Santos is completely above board and worth trusting.\nI can't wait until he says he meant 142-ish but nevermind." ]

[ "Lol isn't there a petition already with thousands of signatures?", ">\n\nYeah but he didn't say which 142 people.", ">\n\nThis is my though- hope someone is looking at that angle.", ">\n\n'143' asked so I'm not resigning.", ">\n\n142-ish", ">\n\nBy his definition of Jew ish we are all Jewish.", ">\n\nLike Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like", ">\n\nWhat have I done?", ">\n\nLooks like that eyebrow is gonna be gone soon! 😱", ">\n\nIt needs to be the right eyebrow that you destroy!", ">\n\n\nLeft eyebrow turns into a unibrow\n”You were the chosen one! You were supposed to destroy the right eyebrows, not join them!”", ">\n\n\n\"I will resign if 88 people ask me to\", exclaimed Rep. Santos as he motioned to the press with a distinctive hand gesture often associated with \"white power\" organizations.", ">\n\n\"And if there are 14 more people with very strong words about my being a Congressman going forward, then we will also take that into consideration.\"", ">\n\nHe is an ass, but I think it is misleading and he mispoke. A statement he appears to have immediately corrected. He obviously meant the 142k people that voted for him to get this asshat in office. No someone needs to get a petition or a recall election in his district to get him gone.", ">\n\nThere is no recall process for Congress. He'll either have to resign under pressure or be expelled or his district will have to vote him out next election cycle.", ">\n\nhe will be assigned to no committees, invited to no meetings, take no wives, own no lands, and no hold no titles. \nbeing a congress member in the house when all you get to do is vote on bills is like owning a jetski without a gas tank. you can launch it and float around on it, but you're not going to have the same experience as everyone else.", ">\n\nUnless I've missed something, I don't think McCarthy has indicated Santos won't be on committees, so he'll get his time, make a spectacle and the media will cover it, because that's what they do.\nI agree freshman congressman have little power or influence, but I wouldn't be surprised if this idiot is around for the next two years. McCarthy is probably excited about the distraction Santos provides.", ">\n\ni don't know, santos was pretty radioactive during the whole speaker debacle.", ">\n\nMcCarthy has explicitly said that he will put Santos on committees.", ">\n\n“I meant 142 thousand people.”\n“I meant 142 thousand people in my district.”\n“I meant 142,000 people in my district…with red hair.”", ">\n\nJust begging for a recall election.", ">\n\nWish that was possible.", ">\n\nI'm sure this statement from rep Santos is completely above board and worth trusting.\nI can't wait until he says he meant 142-ish but nevermind.", ">\n\nGuys I didn’t say I would resign, I said I would re-sign my lease" ]

[ "Lol isn't there a petition already with thousands of signatures?", ">\n\nYeah but he didn't say which 142 people.", ">\n\nThis is my though- hope someone is looking at that angle.", ">\n\n'143' asked so I'm not resigning.", ">\n\n142-ish", ">\n\nBy his definition of Jew ish we are all Jewish.", ">\n\nLike Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like", ">\n\nWhat have I done?", ">\n\nLooks like that eyebrow is gonna be gone soon! 😱", ">\n\nIt needs to be the right eyebrow that you destroy!", ">\n\n\nLeft eyebrow turns into a unibrow\n”You were the chosen one! You were supposed to destroy the right eyebrows, not join them!”", ">\n\n\n\"I will resign if 88 people ask me to\", exclaimed Rep. Santos as he motioned to the press with a distinctive hand gesture often associated with \"white power\" organizations.", ">\n\n\"And if there are 14 more people with very strong words about my being a Congressman going forward, then we will also take that into consideration.\"", ">\n\nHe is an ass, but I think it is misleading and he mispoke. A statement he appears to have immediately corrected. He obviously meant the 142k people that voted for him to get this asshat in office. No someone needs to get a petition or a recall election in his district to get him gone.", ">\n\nThere is no recall process for Congress. He'll either have to resign under pressure or be expelled or his district will have to vote him out next election cycle.", ">\n\nhe will be assigned to no committees, invited to no meetings, take no wives, own no lands, and no hold no titles. \nbeing a congress member in the house when all you get to do is vote on bills is like owning a jetski without a gas tank. you can launch it and float around on it, but you're not going to have the same experience as everyone else.", ">\n\nUnless I've missed something, I don't think McCarthy has indicated Santos won't be on committees, so he'll get his time, make a spectacle and the media will cover it, because that's what they do.\nI agree freshman congressman have little power or influence, but I wouldn't be surprised if this idiot is around for the next two years. McCarthy is probably excited about the distraction Santos provides.", ">\n\ni don't know, santos was pretty radioactive during the whole speaker debacle.", ">\n\nMcCarthy has explicitly said that he will put Santos on committees.", ">\n\n“I meant 142 thousand people.”\n“I meant 142 thousand people in my district.”\n“I meant 142,000 people in my district…with red hair.”", ">\n\nJust begging for a recall election.", ">\n\nWish that was possible.", ">\n\nI'm sure this statement from rep Santos is completely above board and worth trusting.\nI can't wait until he says he meant 142-ish but nevermind.", ">\n\nGuys I didn’t say I would resign, I said I would re-sign my lease", ">\n\nIf his mouth is open, he’s lying. If he’s on a keyboard, he’s lying. If there is a pen or pencil in his hand, he’s lying. And when he was administered the Oath of Office, he lied." ]

[ "Lol isn't there a petition already with thousands of signatures?", ">\n\nYeah but he didn't say which 142 people.", ">\n\nThis is my though- hope someone is looking at that angle.", ">\n\n'143' asked so I'm not resigning.", ">\n\n142-ish", ">\n\nBy his definition of Jew ish we are all Jewish.", ">\n\nLike Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like", ">\n\nWhat have I done?", ">\n\nLooks like that eyebrow is gonna be gone soon! 😱", ">\n\nIt needs to be the right eyebrow that you destroy!", ">\n\n\nLeft eyebrow turns into a unibrow\n”You were the chosen one! You were supposed to destroy the right eyebrows, not join them!”", ">\n\n\n\"I will resign if 88 people ask me to\", exclaimed Rep. Santos as he motioned to the press with a distinctive hand gesture often associated with \"white power\" organizations.", ">\n\n\"And if there are 14 more people with very strong words about my being a Congressman going forward, then we will also take that into consideration.\"", ">\n\nHe is an ass, but I think it is misleading and he mispoke. A statement he appears to have immediately corrected. He obviously meant the 142k people that voted for him to get this asshat in office. No someone needs to get a petition or a recall election in his district to get him gone.", ">\n\nThere is no recall process for Congress. He'll either have to resign under pressure or be expelled or his district will have to vote him out next election cycle.", ">\n\nhe will be assigned to no committees, invited to no meetings, take no wives, own no lands, and no hold no titles. \nbeing a congress member in the house when all you get to do is vote on bills is like owning a jetski without a gas tank. you can launch it and float around on it, but you're not going to have the same experience as everyone else.", ">\n\nUnless I've missed something, I don't think McCarthy has indicated Santos won't be on committees, so he'll get his time, make a spectacle and the media will cover it, because that's what they do.\nI agree freshman congressman have little power or influence, but I wouldn't be surprised if this idiot is around for the next two years. McCarthy is probably excited about the distraction Santos provides.", ">\n\ni don't know, santos was pretty radioactive during the whole speaker debacle.", ">\n\nMcCarthy has explicitly said that he will put Santos on committees.", ">\n\n“I meant 142 thousand people.”\n“I meant 142 thousand people in my district.”\n“I meant 142,000 people in my district…with red hair.”", ">\n\nJust begging for a recall election.", ">\n\nWish that was possible.", ">\n\nI'm sure this statement from rep Santos is completely above board and worth trusting.\nI can't wait until he says he meant 142-ish but nevermind.", ">\n\nGuys I didn’t say I would resign, I said I would re-sign my lease", ">\n\nIf his mouth is open, he’s lying. If he’s on a keyboard, he’s lying. If there is a pen or pencil in his hand, he’s lying. And when he was administered the Oath of Office, he lied.", ">\n\nI am asking." ]

[ "Lol isn't there a petition already with thousands of signatures?", ">\n\nYeah but he didn't say which 142 people.", ">\n\nThis is my though- hope someone is looking at that angle.", ">\n\n'143' asked so I'm not resigning.", ">\n\n142-ish", ">\n\nBy his definition of Jew ish we are all Jewish.", ">\n\nLike Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like", ">\n\nWhat have I done?", ">\n\nLooks like that eyebrow is gonna be gone soon! 😱", ">\n\nIt needs to be the right eyebrow that you destroy!", ">\n\n\nLeft eyebrow turns into a unibrow\n”You were the chosen one! You were supposed to destroy the right eyebrows, not join them!”", ">\n\n\n\"I will resign if 88 people ask me to\", exclaimed Rep. Santos as he motioned to the press with a distinctive hand gesture often associated with \"white power\" organizations.", ">\n\n\"And if there are 14 more people with very strong words about my being a Congressman going forward, then we will also take that into consideration.\"", ">\n\nHe is an ass, but I think it is misleading and he mispoke. A statement he appears to have immediately corrected. He obviously meant the 142k people that voted for him to get this asshat in office. No someone needs to get a petition or a recall election in his district to get him gone.", ">\n\nThere is no recall process for Congress. He'll either have to resign under pressure or be expelled or his district will have to vote him out next election cycle.", ">\n\nhe will be assigned to no committees, invited to no meetings, take no wives, own no lands, and no hold no titles. \nbeing a congress member in the house when all you get to do is vote on bills is like owning a jetski without a gas tank. you can launch it and float around on it, but you're not going to have the same experience as everyone else.", ">\n\nUnless I've missed something, I don't think McCarthy has indicated Santos won't be on committees, so he'll get his time, make a spectacle and the media will cover it, because that's what they do.\nI agree freshman congressman have little power or influence, but I wouldn't be surprised if this idiot is around for the next two years. McCarthy is probably excited about the distraction Santos provides.", ">\n\ni don't know, santos was pretty radioactive during the whole speaker debacle.", ">\n\nMcCarthy has explicitly said that he will put Santos on committees.", ">\n\n“I meant 142 thousand people.”\n“I meant 142 thousand people in my district.”\n“I meant 142,000 people in my district…with red hair.”", ">\n\nJust begging for a recall election.", ">\n\nWish that was possible.", ">\n\nI'm sure this statement from rep Santos is completely above board and worth trusting.\nI can't wait until he says he meant 142-ish but nevermind.", ">\n\nGuys I didn’t say I would resign, I said I would re-sign my lease", ">\n\nIf his mouth is open, he’s lying. If he’s on a keyboard, he’s lying. If there is a pen or pencil in his hand, he’s lying. And when he was administered the Oath of Office, he lied.", ">\n\nI am asking.", ">\n\nThis is a cry for attention, like Musk saying he would step down as CEO of Twitter if users voted for it, which they promptly did. Musk is still Twitter CEO, and Santos will probably remain in the House." ]

[ "Lol isn't there a petition already with thousands of signatures?", ">\n\nYeah but he didn't say which 142 people.", ">\n\nThis is my though- hope someone is looking at that angle.", ">\n\n'143' asked so I'm not resigning.", ">\n\n142-ish", ">\n\nBy his definition of Jew ish we are all Jewish.", ">\n\nLike Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like", ">\n\nWhat have I done?", ">\n\nLooks like that eyebrow is gonna be gone soon! 😱", ">\n\nIt needs to be the right eyebrow that you destroy!", ">\n\n\nLeft eyebrow turns into a unibrow\n”You were the chosen one! You were supposed to destroy the right eyebrows, not join them!”", ">\n\n\n\"I will resign if 88 people ask me to\", exclaimed Rep. Santos as he motioned to the press with a distinctive hand gesture often associated with \"white power\" organizations.", ">\n\n\"And if there are 14 more people with very strong words about my being a Congressman going forward, then we will also take that into consideration.\"", ">\n\nHe is an ass, but I think it is misleading and he mispoke. A statement he appears to have immediately corrected. He obviously meant the 142k people that voted for him to get this asshat in office. No someone needs to get a petition or a recall election in his district to get him gone.", ">\n\nThere is no recall process for Congress. He'll either have to resign under pressure or be expelled or his district will have to vote him out next election cycle.", ">\n\nhe will be assigned to no committees, invited to no meetings, take no wives, own no lands, and no hold no titles. \nbeing a congress member in the house when all you get to do is vote on bills is like owning a jetski without a gas tank. you can launch it and float around on it, but you're not going to have the same experience as everyone else.", ">\n\nUnless I've missed something, I don't think McCarthy has indicated Santos won't be on committees, so he'll get his time, make a spectacle and the media will cover it, because that's what they do.\nI agree freshman congressman have little power or influence, but I wouldn't be surprised if this idiot is around for the next two years. McCarthy is probably excited about the distraction Santos provides.", ">\n\ni don't know, santos was pretty radioactive during the whole speaker debacle.", ">\n\nMcCarthy has explicitly said that he will put Santos on committees.", ">\n\n“I meant 142 thousand people.”\n“I meant 142 thousand people in my district.”\n“I meant 142,000 people in my district…with red hair.”", ">\n\nJust begging for a recall election.", ">\n\nWish that was possible.", ">\n\nI'm sure this statement from rep Santos is completely above board and worth trusting.\nI can't wait until he says he meant 142-ish but nevermind.", ">\n\nGuys I didn’t say I would resign, I said I would re-sign my lease", ">\n\nIf his mouth is open, he’s lying. If he’s on a keyboard, he’s lying. If there is a pen or pencil in his hand, he’s lying. And when he was administered the Oath of Office, he lied.", ">\n\nI am asking.", ">\n\nThis is a cry for attention, like Musk saying he would step down as CEO of Twitter if users voted for it, which they promptly did. Musk is still Twitter CEO, and Santos will probably remain in the House.", ">\n\nmoments after 142 people ask: \"No, not like that\"" ]

[ "Lol isn't there a petition already with thousands of signatures?", ">\n\nYeah but he didn't say which 142 people.", ">\n\nThis is my though- hope someone is looking at that angle.", ">\n\n'143' asked so I'm not resigning.", ">\n\n142-ish", ">\n\nBy his definition of Jew ish we are all Jewish.", ">\n\nLike Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like", ">\n\nWhat have I done?", ">\n\nLooks like that eyebrow is gonna be gone soon! 😱", ">\n\nIt needs to be the right eyebrow that you destroy!", ">\n\n\nLeft eyebrow turns into a unibrow\n”You were the chosen one! You were supposed to destroy the right eyebrows, not join them!”", ">\n\n\n\"I will resign if 88 people ask me to\", exclaimed Rep. Santos as he motioned to the press with a distinctive hand gesture often associated with \"white power\" organizations.", ">\n\n\"And if there are 14 more people with very strong words about my being a Congressman going forward, then we will also take that into consideration.\"", ">\n\nHe is an ass, but I think it is misleading and he mispoke. A statement he appears to have immediately corrected. He obviously meant the 142k people that voted for him to get this asshat in office. No someone needs to get a petition or a recall election in his district to get him gone.", ">\n\nThere is no recall process for Congress. He'll either have to resign under pressure or be expelled or his district will have to vote him out next election cycle.", ">\n\nhe will be assigned to no committees, invited to no meetings, take no wives, own no lands, and no hold no titles. \nbeing a congress member in the house when all you get to do is vote on bills is like owning a jetski without a gas tank. you can launch it and float around on it, but you're not going to have the same experience as everyone else.", ">\n\nUnless I've missed something, I don't think McCarthy has indicated Santos won't be on committees, so he'll get his time, make a spectacle and the media will cover it, because that's what they do.\nI agree freshman congressman have little power or influence, but I wouldn't be surprised if this idiot is around for the next two years. McCarthy is probably excited about the distraction Santos provides.", ">\n\ni don't know, santos was pretty radioactive during the whole speaker debacle.", ">\n\nMcCarthy has explicitly said that he will put Santos on committees.", ">\n\n“I meant 142 thousand people.”\n“I meant 142 thousand people in my district.”\n“I meant 142,000 people in my district…with red hair.”", ">\n\nJust begging for a recall election.", ">\n\nWish that was possible.", ">\n\nI'm sure this statement from rep Santos is completely above board and worth trusting.\nI can't wait until he says he meant 142-ish but nevermind.", ">\n\nGuys I didn’t say I would resign, I said I would re-sign my lease", ">\n\nIf his mouth is open, he’s lying. If he’s on a keyboard, he’s lying. If there is a pen or pencil in his hand, he’s lying. And when he was administered the Oath of Office, he lied.", ">\n\nI am asking.", ">\n\nThis is a cry for attention, like Musk saying he would step down as CEO of Twitter if users voted for it, which they promptly did. Musk is still Twitter CEO, and Santos will probably remain in the House.", ">\n\nmoments after 142 people ask: \"No, not like that\"", ">\n\nGet those 142 requests and watch the goalposts move everywhere." ]

[ "Lol isn't there a petition already with thousands of signatures?", ">\n\nYeah but he didn't say which 142 people.", ">\n\nThis is my though- hope someone is looking at that angle.", ">\n\n'143' asked so I'm not resigning.", ">\n\n142-ish", ">\n\nBy his definition of Jew ish we are all Jewish.", ">\n\nLike Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like", ">\n\nWhat have I done?", ">\n\nLooks like that eyebrow is gonna be gone soon! 😱", ">\n\nIt needs to be the right eyebrow that you destroy!", ">\n\n\nLeft eyebrow turns into a unibrow\n”You were the chosen one! You were supposed to destroy the right eyebrows, not join them!”", ">\n\n\n\"I will resign if 88 people ask me to\", exclaimed Rep. Santos as he motioned to the press with a distinctive hand gesture often associated with \"white power\" organizations.", ">\n\n\"And if there are 14 more people with very strong words about my being a Congressman going forward, then we will also take that into consideration.\"", ">\n\nHe is an ass, but I think it is misleading and he mispoke. A statement he appears to have immediately corrected. He obviously meant the 142k people that voted for him to get this asshat in office. No someone needs to get a petition or a recall election in his district to get him gone.", ">\n\nThere is no recall process for Congress. He'll either have to resign under pressure or be expelled or his district will have to vote him out next election cycle.", ">\n\nhe will be assigned to no committees, invited to no meetings, take no wives, own no lands, and no hold no titles. \nbeing a congress member in the house when all you get to do is vote on bills is like owning a jetski without a gas tank. you can launch it and float around on it, but you're not going to have the same experience as everyone else.", ">\n\nUnless I've missed something, I don't think McCarthy has indicated Santos won't be on committees, so he'll get his time, make a spectacle and the media will cover it, because that's what they do.\nI agree freshman congressman have little power or influence, but I wouldn't be surprised if this idiot is around for the next two years. McCarthy is probably excited about the distraction Santos provides.", ">\n\ni don't know, santos was pretty radioactive during the whole speaker debacle.", ">\n\nMcCarthy has explicitly said that he will put Santos on committees.", ">\n\n“I meant 142 thousand people.”\n“I meant 142 thousand people in my district.”\n“I meant 142,000 people in my district…with red hair.”", ">\n\nJust begging for a recall election.", ">\n\nWish that was possible.", ">\n\nI'm sure this statement from rep Santos is completely above board and worth trusting.\nI can't wait until he says he meant 142-ish but nevermind.", ">\n\nGuys I didn’t say I would resign, I said I would re-sign my lease", ">\n\nIf his mouth is open, he’s lying. If he’s on a keyboard, he’s lying. If there is a pen or pencil in his hand, he’s lying. And when he was administered the Oath of Office, he lied.", ">\n\nI am asking.", ">\n\nThis is a cry for attention, like Musk saying he would step down as CEO of Twitter if users voted for it, which they promptly did. Musk is still Twitter CEO, and Santos will probably remain in the House.", ">\n\nmoments after 142 people ask: \"No, not like that\"", ">\n\nGet those 142 requests and watch the goalposts move everywhere.", ">\n\n*142 people ask *\n“I said left handed people. Plus it was rigged. I demand a recount”\n— George Santos, next week" ]

[ "Lol isn't there a petition already with thousands of signatures?", ">\n\nYeah but he didn't say which 142 people.", ">\n\nThis is my though- hope someone is looking at that angle.", ">\n\n'143' asked so I'm not resigning.", ">\n\n142-ish", ">\n\nBy his definition of Jew ish we are all Jewish.", ">\n\nLike Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like", ">\n\nWhat have I done?", ">\n\nLooks like that eyebrow is gonna be gone soon! 😱", ">\n\nIt needs to be the right eyebrow that you destroy!", ">\n\n\nLeft eyebrow turns into a unibrow\n”You were the chosen one! You were supposed to destroy the right eyebrows, not join them!”", ">\n\n\n\"I will resign if 88 people ask me to\", exclaimed Rep. Santos as he motioned to the press with a distinctive hand gesture often associated with \"white power\" organizations.", ">\n\n\"And if there are 14 more people with very strong words about my being a Congressman going forward, then we will also take that into consideration.\"", ">\n\nHe is an ass, but I think it is misleading and he mispoke. A statement he appears to have immediately corrected. He obviously meant the 142k people that voted for him to get this asshat in office. No someone needs to get a petition or a recall election in his district to get him gone.", ">\n\nThere is no recall process for Congress. He'll either have to resign under pressure or be expelled or his district will have to vote him out next election cycle.", ">\n\nhe will be assigned to no committees, invited to no meetings, take no wives, own no lands, and no hold no titles. \nbeing a congress member in the house when all you get to do is vote on bills is like owning a jetski without a gas tank. you can launch it and float around on it, but you're not going to have the same experience as everyone else.", ">\n\nUnless I've missed something, I don't think McCarthy has indicated Santos won't be on committees, so he'll get his time, make a spectacle and the media will cover it, because that's what they do.\nI agree freshman congressman have little power or influence, but I wouldn't be surprised if this idiot is around for the next two years. McCarthy is probably excited about the distraction Santos provides.", ">\n\ni don't know, santos was pretty radioactive during the whole speaker debacle.", ">\n\nMcCarthy has explicitly said that he will put Santos on committees.", ">\n\n“I meant 142 thousand people.”\n“I meant 142 thousand people in my district.”\n“I meant 142,000 people in my district…with red hair.”", ">\n\nJust begging for a recall election.", ">\n\nWish that was possible.", ">\n\nI'm sure this statement from rep Santos is completely above board and worth trusting.\nI can't wait until he says he meant 142-ish but nevermind.", ">\n\nGuys I didn’t say I would resign, I said I would re-sign my lease", ">\n\nIf his mouth is open, he’s lying. If he’s on a keyboard, he’s lying. If there is a pen or pencil in his hand, he’s lying. And when he was administered the Oath of Office, he lied.", ">\n\nI am asking.", ">\n\nThis is a cry for attention, like Musk saying he would step down as CEO of Twitter if users voted for it, which they promptly did. Musk is still Twitter CEO, and Santos will probably remain in the House.", ">\n\nmoments after 142 people ask: \"No, not like that\"", ">\n\nGet those 142 requests and watch the goalposts move everywhere.", ">\n\n*142 people ask *\n“I said left handed people. Plus it was rigged. I demand a recount”\n— George Santos, next week", ">\n\nThat comment dated real quick. Didn't even take 30 minutes." ]

[ "Lol isn't there a petition already with thousands of signatures?", ">\n\nYeah but he didn't say which 142 people.", ">\n\nThis is my though- hope someone is looking at that angle.", ">\n\n'143' asked so I'm not resigning.", ">\n\n142-ish", ">\n\nBy his definition of Jew ish we are all Jewish.", ">\n\nLike Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like", ">\n\nWhat have I done?", ">\n\nLooks like that eyebrow is gonna be gone soon! 😱", ">\n\nIt needs to be the right eyebrow that you destroy!", ">\n\n\nLeft eyebrow turns into a unibrow\n”You were the chosen one! You were supposed to destroy the right eyebrows, not join them!”", ">\n\n\n\"I will resign if 88 people ask me to\", exclaimed Rep. Santos as he motioned to the press with a distinctive hand gesture often associated with \"white power\" organizations.", ">\n\n\"And if there are 14 more people with very strong words about my being a Congressman going forward, then we will also take that into consideration.\"", ">\n\nHe is an ass, but I think it is misleading and he mispoke. A statement he appears to have immediately corrected. He obviously meant the 142k people that voted for him to get this asshat in office. No someone needs to get a petition or a recall election in his district to get him gone.", ">\n\nThere is no recall process for Congress. He'll either have to resign under pressure or be expelled or his district will have to vote him out next election cycle.", ">\n\nhe will be assigned to no committees, invited to no meetings, take no wives, own no lands, and no hold no titles. \nbeing a congress member in the house when all you get to do is vote on bills is like owning a jetski without a gas tank. you can launch it and float around on it, but you're not going to have the same experience as everyone else.", ">\n\nUnless I've missed something, I don't think McCarthy has indicated Santos won't be on committees, so he'll get his time, make a spectacle and the media will cover it, because that's what they do.\nI agree freshman congressman have little power or influence, but I wouldn't be surprised if this idiot is around for the next two years. McCarthy is probably excited about the distraction Santos provides.", ">\n\ni don't know, santos was pretty radioactive during the whole speaker debacle.", ">\n\nMcCarthy has explicitly said that he will put Santos on committees.", ">\n\n“I meant 142 thousand people.”\n“I meant 142 thousand people in my district.”\n“I meant 142,000 people in my district…with red hair.”", ">\n\nJust begging for a recall election.", ">\n\nWish that was possible.", ">\n\nI'm sure this statement from rep Santos is completely above board and worth trusting.\nI can't wait until he says he meant 142-ish but nevermind.", ">\n\nGuys I didn’t say I would resign, I said I would re-sign my lease", ">\n\nIf his mouth is open, he’s lying. If he’s on a keyboard, he’s lying. If there is a pen or pencil in his hand, he’s lying. And when he was administered the Oath of Office, he lied.", ">\n\nI am asking.", ">\n\nThis is a cry for attention, like Musk saying he would step down as CEO of Twitter if users voted for it, which they promptly did. Musk is still Twitter CEO, and Santos will probably remain in the House.", ">\n\nmoments after 142 people ask: \"No, not like that\"", ">\n\nGet those 142 requests and watch the goalposts move everywhere.", ">\n\n*142 people ask *\n“I said left handed people. Plus it was rigged. I demand a recount”\n— George Santos, next week", ">\n\nThat comment dated real quick. Didn't even take 30 minutes.", ">\n\n… I may sound crazy and just going to say I think he maybe lying… and the gop doesn’t have a history of telling the truth or believing in votes/democracy/the public…" ]

[ "Lol isn't there a petition already with thousands of signatures?", ">\n\nYeah but he didn't say which 142 people.", ">\n\nThis is my though- hope someone is looking at that angle.", ">\n\n'143' asked so I'm not resigning.", ">\n\n142-ish", ">\n\nBy his definition of Jew ish we are all Jewish.", ">\n\nLike Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like", ">\n\nWhat have I done?", ">\n\nLooks like that eyebrow is gonna be gone soon! 😱", ">\n\nIt needs to be the right eyebrow that you destroy!", ">\n\n\nLeft eyebrow turns into a unibrow\n”You were the chosen one! You were supposed to destroy the right eyebrows, not join them!”", ">\n\n\n\"I will resign if 88 people ask me to\", exclaimed Rep. Santos as he motioned to the press with a distinctive hand gesture often associated with \"white power\" organizations.", ">\n\n\"And if there are 14 more people with very strong words about my being a Congressman going forward, then we will also take that into consideration.\"", ">\n\nHe is an ass, but I think it is misleading and he mispoke. A statement he appears to have immediately corrected. He obviously meant the 142k people that voted for him to get this asshat in office. No someone needs to get a petition or a recall election in his district to get him gone.", ">\n\nThere is no recall process for Congress. He'll either have to resign under pressure or be expelled or his district will have to vote him out next election cycle.", ">\n\nhe will be assigned to no committees, invited to no meetings, take no wives, own no lands, and no hold no titles. \nbeing a congress member in the house when all you get to do is vote on bills is like owning a jetski without a gas tank. you can launch it and float around on it, but you're not going to have the same experience as everyone else.", ">\n\nUnless I've missed something, I don't think McCarthy has indicated Santos won't be on committees, so he'll get his time, make a spectacle and the media will cover it, because that's what they do.\nI agree freshman congressman have little power or influence, but I wouldn't be surprised if this idiot is around for the next two years. McCarthy is probably excited about the distraction Santos provides.", ">\n\ni don't know, santos was pretty radioactive during the whole speaker debacle.", ">\n\nMcCarthy has explicitly said that he will put Santos on committees.", ">\n\n“I meant 142 thousand people.”\n“I meant 142 thousand people in my district.”\n“I meant 142,000 people in my district…with red hair.”", ">\n\nJust begging for a recall election.", ">\n\nWish that was possible.", ">\n\nI'm sure this statement from rep Santos is completely above board and worth trusting.\nI can't wait until he says he meant 142-ish but nevermind.", ">\n\nGuys I didn’t say I would resign, I said I would re-sign my lease", ">\n\nIf his mouth is open, he’s lying. If he’s on a keyboard, he’s lying. If there is a pen or pencil in his hand, he’s lying. And when he was administered the Oath of Office, he lied.", ">\n\nI am asking.", ">\n\nThis is a cry for attention, like Musk saying he would step down as CEO of Twitter if users voted for it, which they promptly did. Musk is still Twitter CEO, and Santos will probably remain in the House.", ">\n\nmoments after 142 people ask: \"No, not like that\"", ">\n\nGet those 142 requests and watch the goalposts move everywhere.", ">\n\n*142 people ask *\n“I said left handed people. Plus it was rigged. I demand a recount”\n— George Santos, next week", ">\n\nThat comment dated real quick. Didn't even take 30 minutes.", ">\n\n… I may sound crazy and just going to say I think he maybe lying… and the gop doesn’t have a history of telling the truth or believing in votes/democracy/the public…", ">\n\nSantos says it has to be the 142,000 people that voted for him in his district. Those same 142,000 voters he represents…he doesn’t plan on going anywhere. McCarthy needs George Santos vote. It’s like a co-dependent relationship except they make legislature." ]

[ "Lol isn't there a petition already with thousands of signatures?", ">\n\nYeah but he didn't say which 142 people.", ">\n\nThis is my though- hope someone is looking at that angle.", ">\n\n'143' asked so I'm not resigning.", ">\n\n142-ish", ">\n\nBy his definition of Jew ish we are all Jewish.", ">\n\nLike Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like", ">\n\nWhat have I done?", ">\n\nLooks like that eyebrow is gonna be gone soon! 😱", ">\n\nIt needs to be the right eyebrow that you destroy!", ">\n\n\nLeft eyebrow turns into a unibrow\n”You were the chosen one! You were supposed to destroy the right eyebrows, not join them!”", ">\n\n\n\"I will resign if 88 people ask me to\", exclaimed Rep. Santos as he motioned to the press with a distinctive hand gesture often associated with \"white power\" organizations.", ">\n\n\"And if there are 14 more people with very strong words about my being a Congressman going forward, then we will also take that into consideration.\"", ">\n\nHe is an ass, but I think it is misleading and he mispoke. A statement he appears to have immediately corrected. He obviously meant the 142k people that voted for him to get this asshat in office. No someone needs to get a petition or a recall election in his district to get him gone.", ">\n\nThere is no recall process for Congress. He'll either have to resign under pressure or be expelled or his district will have to vote him out next election cycle.", ">\n\nhe will be assigned to no committees, invited to no meetings, take no wives, own no lands, and no hold no titles. \nbeing a congress member in the house when all you get to do is vote on bills is like owning a jetski without a gas tank. you can launch it and float around on it, but you're not going to have the same experience as everyone else.", ">\n\nUnless I've missed something, I don't think McCarthy has indicated Santos won't be on committees, so he'll get his time, make a spectacle and the media will cover it, because that's what they do.\nI agree freshman congressman have little power or influence, but I wouldn't be surprised if this idiot is around for the next two years. McCarthy is probably excited about the distraction Santos provides.", ">\n\ni don't know, santos was pretty radioactive during the whole speaker debacle.", ">\n\nMcCarthy has explicitly said that he will put Santos on committees.", ">\n\n“I meant 142 thousand people.”\n“I meant 142 thousand people in my district.”\n“I meant 142,000 people in my district…with red hair.”", ">\n\nJust begging for a recall election.", ">\n\nWish that was possible.", ">\n\nI'm sure this statement from rep Santos is completely above board and worth trusting.\nI can't wait until he says he meant 142-ish but nevermind.", ">\n\nGuys I didn’t say I would resign, I said I would re-sign my lease", ">\n\nIf his mouth is open, he’s lying. If he’s on a keyboard, he’s lying. If there is a pen or pencil in his hand, he’s lying. And when he was administered the Oath of Office, he lied.", ">\n\nI am asking.", ">\n\nThis is a cry for attention, like Musk saying he would step down as CEO of Twitter if users voted for it, which they promptly did. Musk is still Twitter CEO, and Santos will probably remain in the House.", ">\n\nmoments after 142 people ask: \"No, not like that\"", ">\n\nGet those 142 requests and watch the goalposts move everywhere.", ">\n\n*142 people ask *\n“I said left handed people. Plus it was rigged. I demand a recount”\n— George Santos, next week", ">\n\nThat comment dated real quick. Didn't even take 30 minutes.", ">\n\n… I may sound crazy and just going to say I think he maybe lying… and the gop doesn’t have a history of telling the truth or believing in votes/democracy/the public…", ">\n\nSantos says it has to be the 142,000 people that voted for him in his district. Those same 142,000 voters he represents…he doesn’t plan on going anywhere. McCarthy needs George Santos vote. It’s like a co-dependent relationship except they make legislature.", ">\n\nThe number was 142 THOUSAND.\nNot 142.\nNot sure how this article got past the editor. It’s the amount of people he won by. He’s being facetious." ]

[ "Lol isn't there a petition already with thousands of signatures?", ">\n\nYeah but he didn't say which 142 people.", ">\n\nThis is my though- hope someone is looking at that angle.", ">\n\n'143' asked so I'm not resigning.", ">\n\n142-ish", ">\n\nBy his definition of Jew ish we are all Jewish.", ">\n\nLike Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like", ">\n\nWhat have I done?", ">\n\nLooks like that eyebrow is gonna be gone soon! 😱", ">\n\nIt needs to be the right eyebrow that you destroy!", ">\n\n\nLeft eyebrow turns into a unibrow\n”You were the chosen one! You were supposed to destroy the right eyebrows, not join them!”", ">\n\n\n\"I will resign if 88 people ask me to\", exclaimed Rep. Santos as he motioned to the press with a distinctive hand gesture often associated with \"white power\" organizations.", ">\n\n\"And if there are 14 more people with very strong words about my being a Congressman going forward, then we will also take that into consideration.\"", ">\n\nHe is an ass, but I think it is misleading and he mispoke. A statement he appears to have immediately corrected. He obviously meant the 142k people that voted for him to get this asshat in office. No someone needs to get a petition or a recall election in his district to get him gone.", ">\n\nThere is no recall process for Congress. He'll either have to resign under pressure or be expelled or his district will have to vote him out next election cycle.", ">\n\nhe will be assigned to no committees, invited to no meetings, take no wives, own no lands, and no hold no titles. \nbeing a congress member in the house when all you get to do is vote on bills is like owning a jetski without a gas tank. you can launch it and float around on it, but you're not going to have the same experience as everyone else.", ">\n\nUnless I've missed something, I don't think McCarthy has indicated Santos won't be on committees, so he'll get his time, make a spectacle and the media will cover it, because that's what they do.\nI agree freshman congressman have little power or influence, but I wouldn't be surprised if this idiot is around for the next two years. McCarthy is probably excited about the distraction Santos provides.", ">\n\ni don't know, santos was pretty radioactive during the whole speaker debacle.", ">\n\nMcCarthy has explicitly said that he will put Santos on committees.", ">\n\n“I meant 142 thousand people.”\n“I meant 142 thousand people in my district.”\n“I meant 142,000 people in my district…with red hair.”", ">\n\nJust begging for a recall election.", ">\n\nWish that was possible.", ">\n\nI'm sure this statement from rep Santos is completely above board and worth trusting.\nI can't wait until he says he meant 142-ish but nevermind.", ">\n\nGuys I didn’t say I would resign, I said I would re-sign my lease", ">\n\nIf his mouth is open, he’s lying. If he’s on a keyboard, he’s lying. If there is a pen or pencil in his hand, he’s lying. And when he was administered the Oath of Office, he lied.", ">\n\nI am asking.", ">\n\nThis is a cry for attention, like Musk saying he would step down as CEO of Twitter if users voted for it, which they promptly did. Musk is still Twitter CEO, and Santos will probably remain in the House.", ">\n\nmoments after 142 people ask: \"No, not like that\"", ">\n\nGet those 142 requests and watch the goalposts move everywhere.", ">\n\n*142 people ask *\n“I said left handed people. Plus it was rigged. I demand a recount”\n— George Santos, next week", ">\n\nThat comment dated real quick. Didn't even take 30 minutes.", ">\n\n… I may sound crazy and just going to say I think he maybe lying… and the gop doesn’t have a history of telling the truth or believing in votes/democracy/the public…", ">\n\nSantos says it has to be the 142,000 people that voted for him in his district. Those same 142,000 voters he represents…he doesn’t plan on going anywhere. McCarthy needs George Santos vote. It’s like a co-dependent relationship except they make legislature.", ">\n\nThe number was 142 THOUSAND.\nNot 142.\nNot sure how this article got past the editor. It’s the amount of people he won by. He’s being facetious.", ">\n\nSantos later corrected himself and said 142k. The number of people who voted for him." ]

[ "Lol isn't there a petition already with thousands of signatures?", ">\n\nYeah but he didn't say which 142 people.", ">\n\nThis is my though- hope someone is looking at that angle.", ">\n\n'143' asked so I'm not resigning.", ">\n\n142-ish", ">\n\nBy his definition of Jew ish we are all Jewish.", ">\n\nLike Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like", ">\n\nWhat have I done?", ">\n\nLooks like that eyebrow is gonna be gone soon! 😱", ">\n\nIt needs to be the right eyebrow that you destroy!", ">\n\n\nLeft eyebrow turns into a unibrow\n”You were the chosen one! You were supposed to destroy the right eyebrows, not join them!”", ">\n\n\n\"I will resign if 88 people ask me to\", exclaimed Rep. Santos as he motioned to the press with a distinctive hand gesture often associated with \"white power\" organizations.", ">\n\n\"And if there are 14 more people with very strong words about my being a Congressman going forward, then we will also take that into consideration.\"", ">\n\nHe is an ass, but I think it is misleading and he mispoke. A statement he appears to have immediately corrected. He obviously meant the 142k people that voted for him to get this asshat in office. No someone needs to get a petition or a recall election in his district to get him gone.", ">\n\nThere is no recall process for Congress. He'll either have to resign under pressure or be expelled or his district will have to vote him out next election cycle.", ">\n\nhe will be assigned to no committees, invited to no meetings, take no wives, own no lands, and no hold no titles. \nbeing a congress member in the house when all you get to do is vote on bills is like owning a jetski without a gas tank. you can launch it and float around on it, but you're not going to have the same experience as everyone else.", ">\n\nUnless I've missed something, I don't think McCarthy has indicated Santos won't be on committees, so he'll get his time, make a spectacle and the media will cover it, because that's what they do.\nI agree freshman congressman have little power or influence, but I wouldn't be surprised if this idiot is around for the next two years. McCarthy is probably excited about the distraction Santos provides.", ">\n\ni don't know, santos was pretty radioactive during the whole speaker debacle.", ">\n\nMcCarthy has explicitly said that he will put Santos on committees.", ">\n\n“I meant 142 thousand people.”\n“I meant 142 thousand people in my district.”\n“I meant 142,000 people in my district…with red hair.”", ">\n\nJust begging for a recall election.", ">\n\nWish that was possible.", ">\n\nI'm sure this statement from rep Santos is completely above board and worth trusting.\nI can't wait until he says he meant 142-ish but nevermind.", ">\n\nGuys I didn’t say I would resign, I said I would re-sign my lease", ">\n\nIf his mouth is open, he’s lying. If he’s on a keyboard, he’s lying. If there is a pen or pencil in his hand, he’s lying. And when he was administered the Oath of Office, he lied.", ">\n\nI am asking.", ">\n\nThis is a cry for attention, like Musk saying he would step down as CEO of Twitter if users voted for it, which they promptly did. Musk is still Twitter CEO, and Santos will probably remain in the House.", ">\n\nmoments after 142 people ask: \"No, not like that\"", ">\n\nGet those 142 requests and watch the goalposts move everywhere.", ">\n\n*142 people ask *\n“I said left handed people. Plus it was rigged. I demand a recount”\n— George Santos, next week", ">\n\nThat comment dated real quick. Didn't even take 30 minutes.", ">\n\n… I may sound crazy and just going to say I think he maybe lying… and the gop doesn’t have a history of telling the truth or believing in votes/democracy/the public…", ">\n\nSantos says it has to be the 142,000 people that voted for him in his district. Those same 142,000 voters he represents…he doesn’t plan on going anywhere. McCarthy needs George Santos vote. It’s like a co-dependent relationship except they make legislature.", ">\n\nThe number was 142 THOUSAND.\nNot 142.\nNot sure how this article got past the editor. It’s the amount of people he won by. He’s being facetious.", ">\n\nSantos later corrected himself and said 142k. The number of people who voted for him.", ">\n\nAnother lie" ]

[ "Lol isn't there a petition already with thousands of signatures?", ">\n\nYeah but he didn't say which 142 people.", ">\n\nThis is my though- hope someone is looking at that angle.", ">\n\n'143' asked so I'm not resigning.", ">\n\n142-ish", ">\n\nBy his definition of Jew ish we are all Jewish.", ">\n\nLike Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like", ">\n\nWhat have I done?", ">\n\nLooks like that eyebrow is gonna be gone soon! 😱", ">\n\nIt needs to be the right eyebrow that you destroy!", ">\n\n\nLeft eyebrow turns into a unibrow\n”You were the chosen one! You were supposed to destroy the right eyebrows, not join them!”", ">\n\n\n\"I will resign if 88 people ask me to\", exclaimed Rep. Santos as he motioned to the press with a distinctive hand gesture often associated with \"white power\" organizations.", ">\n\n\"And if there are 14 more people with very strong words about my being a Congressman going forward, then we will also take that into consideration.\"", ">\n\nHe is an ass, but I think it is misleading and he mispoke. A statement he appears to have immediately corrected. He obviously meant the 142k people that voted for him to get this asshat in office. No someone needs to get a petition or a recall election in his district to get him gone.", ">\n\nThere is no recall process for Congress. He'll either have to resign under pressure or be expelled or his district will have to vote him out next election cycle.", ">\n\nhe will be assigned to no committees, invited to no meetings, take no wives, own no lands, and no hold no titles. \nbeing a congress member in the house when all you get to do is vote on bills is like owning a jetski without a gas tank. you can launch it and float around on it, but you're not going to have the same experience as everyone else.", ">\n\nUnless I've missed something, I don't think McCarthy has indicated Santos won't be on committees, so he'll get his time, make a spectacle and the media will cover it, because that's what they do.\nI agree freshman congressman have little power or influence, but I wouldn't be surprised if this idiot is around for the next two years. McCarthy is probably excited about the distraction Santos provides.", ">\n\ni don't know, santos was pretty radioactive during the whole speaker debacle.", ">\n\nMcCarthy has explicitly said that he will put Santos on committees.", ">\n\n“I meant 142 thousand people.”\n“I meant 142 thousand people in my district.”\n“I meant 142,000 people in my district…with red hair.”", ">\n\nJust begging for a recall election.", ">\n\nWish that was possible.", ">\n\nI'm sure this statement from rep Santos is completely above board and worth trusting.\nI can't wait until he says he meant 142-ish but nevermind.", ">\n\nGuys I didn’t say I would resign, I said I would re-sign my lease", ">\n\nIf his mouth is open, he’s lying. If he’s on a keyboard, he’s lying. If there is a pen or pencil in his hand, he’s lying. And when he was administered the Oath of Office, he lied.", ">\n\nI am asking.", ">\n\nThis is a cry for attention, like Musk saying he would step down as CEO of Twitter if users voted for it, which they promptly did. Musk is still Twitter CEO, and Santos will probably remain in the House.", ">\n\nmoments after 142 people ask: \"No, not like that\"", ">\n\nGet those 142 requests and watch the goalposts move everywhere.", ">\n\n*142 people ask *\n“I said left handed people. Plus it was rigged. I demand a recount”\n— George Santos, next week", ">\n\nThat comment dated real quick. Didn't even take 30 minutes.", ">\n\n… I may sound crazy and just going to say I think he maybe lying… and the gop doesn’t have a history of telling the truth or believing in votes/democracy/the public…", ">\n\nSantos says it has to be the 142,000 people that voted for him in his district. Those same 142,000 voters he represents…he doesn’t plan on going anywhere. McCarthy needs George Santos vote. It’s like a co-dependent relationship except they make legislature.", ">\n\nThe number was 142 THOUSAND.\nNot 142.\nNot sure how this article got past the editor. It’s the amount of people he won by. He’s being facetious.", ">\n\nSantos later corrected himself and said 142k. The number of people who voted for him.", ">\n\nAnother lie", ">\n\n\nHowever, upon walking into his office during a separate exchange with reporters, Santos was asked whether he would resign, and he said, \"I will not resign. I will be continuing to hold my office elected by the people.\"\n\nDo not believe a word that comes out his mouth." ]

[ "Lol isn't there a petition already with thousands of signatures?", ">\n\nYeah but he didn't say which 142 people.", ">\n\nThis is my though- hope someone is looking at that angle.", ">\n\n'143' asked so I'm not resigning.", ">\n\n142-ish", ">\n\nBy his definition of Jew ish we are all Jewish.", ">\n\nLike Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like", ">\n\nWhat have I done?", ">\n\nLooks like that eyebrow is gonna be gone soon! 😱", ">\n\nIt needs to be the right eyebrow that you destroy!", ">\n\n\nLeft eyebrow turns into a unibrow\n”You were the chosen one! You were supposed to destroy the right eyebrows, not join them!”", ">\n\n\n\"I will resign if 88 people ask me to\", exclaimed Rep. Santos as he motioned to the press with a distinctive hand gesture often associated with \"white power\" organizations.", ">\n\n\"And if there are 14 more people with very strong words about my being a Congressman going forward, then we will also take that into consideration.\"", ">\n\nHe is an ass, but I think it is misleading and he mispoke. A statement he appears to have immediately corrected. He obviously meant the 142k people that voted for him to get this asshat in office. No someone needs to get a petition or a recall election in his district to get him gone.", ">\n\nThere is no recall process for Congress. He'll either have to resign under pressure or be expelled or his district will have to vote him out next election cycle.", ">\n\nhe will be assigned to no committees, invited to no meetings, take no wives, own no lands, and no hold no titles. \nbeing a congress member in the house when all you get to do is vote on bills is like owning a jetski without a gas tank. you can launch it and float around on it, but you're not going to have the same experience as everyone else.", ">\n\nUnless I've missed something, I don't think McCarthy has indicated Santos won't be on committees, so he'll get his time, make a spectacle and the media will cover it, because that's what they do.\nI agree freshman congressman have little power or influence, but I wouldn't be surprised if this idiot is around for the next two years. McCarthy is probably excited about the distraction Santos provides.", ">\n\ni don't know, santos was pretty radioactive during the whole speaker debacle.", ">\n\nMcCarthy has explicitly said that he will put Santos on committees.", ">\n\n“I meant 142 thousand people.”\n“I meant 142 thousand people in my district.”\n“I meant 142,000 people in my district…with red hair.”", ">\n\nJust begging for a recall election.", ">\n\nWish that was possible.", ">\n\nI'm sure this statement from rep Santos is completely above board and worth trusting.\nI can't wait until he says he meant 142-ish but nevermind.", ">\n\nGuys I didn’t say I would resign, I said I would re-sign my lease", ">\n\nIf his mouth is open, he’s lying. If he’s on a keyboard, he’s lying. If there is a pen or pencil in his hand, he’s lying. And when he was administered the Oath of Office, he lied.", ">\n\nI am asking.", ">\n\nThis is a cry for attention, like Musk saying he would step down as CEO of Twitter if users voted for it, which they promptly did. Musk is still Twitter CEO, and Santos will probably remain in the House.", ">\n\nmoments after 142 people ask: \"No, not like that\"", ">\n\nGet those 142 requests and watch the goalposts move everywhere.", ">\n\n*142 people ask *\n“I said left handed people. Plus it was rigged. I demand a recount”\n— George Santos, next week", ">\n\nThat comment dated real quick. Didn't even take 30 minutes.", ">\n\n… I may sound crazy and just going to say I think he maybe lying… and the gop doesn’t have a history of telling the truth or believing in votes/democracy/the public…", ">\n\nSantos says it has to be the 142,000 people that voted for him in his district. Those same 142,000 voters he represents…he doesn’t plan on going anywhere. McCarthy needs George Santos vote. It’s like a co-dependent relationship except they make legislature.", ">\n\nThe number was 142 THOUSAND.\nNot 142.\nNot sure how this article got past the editor. It’s the amount of people he won by. He’s being facetious.", ">\n\nSantos later corrected himself and said 142k. The number of people who voted for him.", ">\n\nAnother lie", ">\n\n\nHowever, upon walking into his office during a separate exchange with reporters, Santos was asked whether he would resign, and he said, \"I will not resign. I will be continuing to hold my office elected by the people.\"\n\nDo not believe a word that comes out his mouth.", ">\n\nPlease resign." ]

[ "Lol isn't there a petition already with thousands of signatures?", ">\n\nYeah but he didn't say which 142 people.", ">\n\nThis is my though- hope someone is looking at that angle.", ">\n\n'143' asked so I'm not resigning.", ">\n\n142-ish", ">\n\nBy his definition of Jew ish we are all Jewish.", ">\n\nLike Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like", ">\n\nWhat have I done?", ">\n\nLooks like that eyebrow is gonna be gone soon! 😱", ">\n\nIt needs to be the right eyebrow that you destroy!", ">\n\n\nLeft eyebrow turns into a unibrow\n”You were the chosen one! You were supposed to destroy the right eyebrows, not join them!”", ">\n\n\n\"I will resign if 88 people ask me to\", exclaimed Rep. Santos as he motioned to the press with a distinctive hand gesture often associated with \"white power\" organizations.", ">\n\n\"And if there are 14 more people with very strong words about my being a Congressman going forward, then we will also take that into consideration.\"", ">\n\nHe is an ass, but I think it is misleading and he mispoke. A statement he appears to have immediately corrected. He obviously meant the 142k people that voted for him to get this asshat in office. No someone needs to get a petition or a recall election in his district to get him gone.", ">\n\nThere is no recall process for Congress. He'll either have to resign under pressure or be expelled or his district will have to vote him out next election cycle.", ">\n\nhe will be assigned to no committees, invited to no meetings, take no wives, own no lands, and no hold no titles. \nbeing a congress member in the house when all you get to do is vote on bills is like owning a jetski without a gas tank. you can launch it and float around on it, but you're not going to have the same experience as everyone else.", ">\n\nUnless I've missed something, I don't think McCarthy has indicated Santos won't be on committees, so he'll get his time, make a spectacle and the media will cover it, because that's what they do.\nI agree freshman congressman have little power or influence, but I wouldn't be surprised if this idiot is around for the next two years. McCarthy is probably excited about the distraction Santos provides.", ">\n\ni don't know, santos was pretty radioactive during the whole speaker debacle.", ">\n\nMcCarthy has explicitly said that he will put Santos on committees.", ">\n\n“I meant 142 thousand people.”\n“I meant 142 thousand people in my district.”\n“I meant 142,000 people in my district…with red hair.”", ">\n\nJust begging for a recall election.", ">\n\nWish that was possible.", ">\n\nI'm sure this statement from rep Santos is completely above board and worth trusting.\nI can't wait until he says he meant 142-ish but nevermind.", ">\n\nGuys I didn’t say I would resign, I said I would re-sign my lease", ">\n\nIf his mouth is open, he’s lying. If he’s on a keyboard, he’s lying. If there is a pen or pencil in his hand, he’s lying. And when he was administered the Oath of Office, he lied.", ">\n\nI am asking.", ">\n\nThis is a cry for attention, like Musk saying he would step down as CEO of Twitter if users voted for it, which they promptly did. Musk is still Twitter CEO, and Santos will probably remain in the House.", ">\n\nmoments after 142 people ask: \"No, not like that\"", ">\n\nGet those 142 requests and watch the goalposts move everywhere.", ">\n\n*142 people ask *\n“I said left handed people. Plus it was rigged. I demand a recount”\n— George Santos, next week", ">\n\nThat comment dated real quick. Didn't even take 30 minutes.", ">\n\n… I may sound crazy and just going to say I think he maybe lying… and the gop doesn’t have a history of telling the truth or believing in votes/democracy/the public…", ">\n\nSantos says it has to be the 142,000 people that voted for him in his district. Those same 142,000 voters he represents…he doesn’t plan on going anywhere. McCarthy needs George Santos vote. It’s like a co-dependent relationship except they make legislature.", ">\n\nThe number was 142 THOUSAND.\nNot 142.\nNot sure how this article got past the editor. It’s the amount of people he won by. He’s being facetious.", ">\n\nSantos later corrected himself and said 142k. The number of people who voted for him.", ">\n\nAnother lie", ">\n\n\nHowever, upon walking into his office during a separate exchange with reporters, Santos was asked whether he would resign, and he said, \"I will not resign. I will be continuing to hold my office elected by the people.\"\n\nDo not believe a word that comes out his mouth.", ">\n\nPlease resign.", ">\n\nHow does one ask?" ]

[ "Lol isn't there a petition already with thousands of signatures?", ">\n\nYeah but he didn't say which 142 people.", ">\n\nThis is my though- hope someone is looking at that angle.", ">\n\n'143' asked so I'm not resigning.", ">\n\n142-ish", ">\n\nBy his definition of Jew ish we are all Jewish.", ">\n\nLike Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like", ">\n\nWhat have I done?", ">\n\nLooks like that eyebrow is gonna be gone soon! 😱", ">\n\nIt needs to be the right eyebrow that you destroy!", ">\n\n\nLeft eyebrow turns into a unibrow\n”You were the chosen one! You were supposed to destroy the right eyebrows, not join them!”", ">\n\n\n\"I will resign if 88 people ask me to\", exclaimed Rep. Santos as he motioned to the press with a distinctive hand gesture often associated with \"white power\" organizations.", ">\n\n\"And if there are 14 more people with very strong words about my being a Congressman going forward, then we will also take that into consideration.\"", ">\n\nHe is an ass, but I think it is misleading and he mispoke. A statement he appears to have immediately corrected. He obviously meant the 142k people that voted for him to get this asshat in office. No someone needs to get a petition or a recall election in his district to get him gone.", ">\n\nThere is no recall process for Congress. He'll either have to resign under pressure or be expelled or his district will have to vote him out next election cycle.", ">\n\nhe will be assigned to no committees, invited to no meetings, take no wives, own no lands, and no hold no titles. \nbeing a congress member in the house when all you get to do is vote on bills is like owning a jetski without a gas tank. you can launch it and float around on it, but you're not going to have the same experience as everyone else.", ">\n\nUnless I've missed something, I don't think McCarthy has indicated Santos won't be on committees, so he'll get his time, make a spectacle and the media will cover it, because that's what they do.\nI agree freshman congressman have little power or influence, but I wouldn't be surprised if this idiot is around for the next two years. McCarthy is probably excited about the distraction Santos provides.", ">\n\ni don't know, santos was pretty radioactive during the whole speaker debacle.", ">\n\nMcCarthy has explicitly said that he will put Santos on committees.", ">\n\n“I meant 142 thousand people.”\n“I meant 142 thousand people in my district.”\n“I meant 142,000 people in my district…with red hair.”", ">\n\nJust begging for a recall election.", ">\n\nWish that was possible.", ">\n\nI'm sure this statement from rep Santos is completely above board and worth trusting.\nI can't wait until he says he meant 142-ish but nevermind.", ">\n\nGuys I didn’t say I would resign, I said I would re-sign my lease", ">\n\nIf his mouth is open, he’s lying. If he’s on a keyboard, he’s lying. If there is a pen or pencil in his hand, he’s lying. And when he was administered the Oath of Office, he lied.", ">\n\nI am asking.", ">\n\nThis is a cry for attention, like Musk saying he would step down as CEO of Twitter if users voted for it, which they promptly did. Musk is still Twitter CEO, and Santos will probably remain in the House.", ">\n\nmoments after 142 people ask: \"No, not like that\"", ">\n\nGet those 142 requests and watch the goalposts move everywhere.", ">\n\n*142 people ask *\n“I said left handed people. Plus it was rigged. I demand a recount”\n— George Santos, next week", ">\n\nThat comment dated real quick. Didn't even take 30 minutes.", ">\n\n… I may sound crazy and just going to say I think he maybe lying… and the gop doesn’t have a history of telling the truth or believing in votes/democracy/the public…", ">\n\nSantos says it has to be the 142,000 people that voted for him in his district. Those same 142,000 voters he represents…he doesn’t plan on going anywhere. McCarthy needs George Santos vote. It’s like a co-dependent relationship except they make legislature.", ">\n\nThe number was 142 THOUSAND.\nNot 142.\nNot sure how this article got past the editor. It’s the amount of people he won by. He’s being facetious.", ">\n\nSantos later corrected himself and said 142k. The number of people who voted for him.", ">\n\nAnother lie", ">\n\n\nHowever, upon walking into his office during a separate exchange with reporters, Santos was asked whether he would resign, and he said, \"I will not resign. I will be continuing to hold my office elected by the people.\"\n\nDo not believe a word that comes out his mouth.", ">\n\nPlease resign.", ">\n\nHow does one ask?", ">\n\n\"Challenge accepted!\"" ]