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[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nUnderboob implies the possibility of gravity making it full boob", ">\n\nYeah, underboob carries a much higher risk of loss of containment.", ">\n\nand then you get a warp core breach.", ">\n\nStop it, you're overloading my PPS conduits", ">\n\nSounds like someone needs to scrub their plasma manifolds", ">\n\nLet me know if Dax is available", ">\n\nKurzon?", ">\n\nNo, I blame him for Jadzia's death lol", ">\n\nJadzia dies!?", ">\n\nDepends on your definition of \"dies\"", ">\n\nit defines the actual shape of the breast. \nAlso, it’s less common to see. Calves used to be risqué at one time.", ">\n\nYeah baby, show us that ankle\n-Victorian Era bros probably", ">\n\nFun fact: table \"legs\" were deemed potentially too arousing, hence the development of the table skirt.\nVictorian's were fucking weird.", ">\n\nI demand boobs on furniture.", ">\n\nboobs, and a whole lot more", ">\n\nNow that just makes it seem like the victorians were actually justified.", ">\n\nImagine having that hidden under a table skirt in Victorian England.", ">\n\noooh the scandal!", ">\n\nGene Roddenberry once said that when designing costumes for the original Star Trek back in the late 1960s, network censors allowed some top cleavage but forbade - to use your term - “under-boob cleavage.”", ">\n\nInteresting! This is a fascinating confirmation of my hunch.", ">\n\nI have been diagnosed with dementia.", ">\n\nYou know damn well that this is a common bug on reddit.", ">\n\nPerhaps he forgot", ">\n\nTrue. Also, \nGitHub.com/MOABdali/MegaCheckers", ">\n\nThis will make a fine addition to my collection", ">\n\nThis was from before I became a \"professional coder\". I'm a bit better now, so I've begun working on the game from scratch now, utilizing less spaghetti code.", ">\n\ngotta love the underboob. the sight of it is guaranteed to improve your day.", ">\n\nUnless you're at Walmart, and they're hanging over a belt", ">\n\nUnderboobs often comes with a visible tummy. \nIt's a great combo.", ">\n\nThere a sub for that? Asking for me.", ">\n\nThere is definitely an underboob subreddit.", ">\n\nThere are at least two.", ">\n\nAnd my axe!", ">\n\nHow many times have you seen someone's tits fall out a normal cleavage? Coz I haven't? But have you ever seen a girl with an underboob shirt lift her arms? Tits come flying out", ">\n\nOnce. I've seen tits explode out of cleavage, (not on purpose) once. It was my great aunt. She was 76.", ">\n\nI'm so sorry/happy for you that you had to witness this", ">\n\nwhy are you happy bro damn he said she was his 76yo great aunt tf", ">\n\nHey, I said sorry/happy. No clue what he's into", ">\n\nFunny shit", ">\n\nUnder is closer to the nipple so I feel that makes it more risqué.", ">\n\nNot when you’re 40", ">\n\noh yea gimme some of that granny underboob.\nShe's showing underboob cleavage, but its a normal XL shirt", ">\n\nGranny? At 40?", ">\n\nImagine you have a kid at 20. And that kid has a kid at 20. How old are?\nNow have you ever met anyone that had a kid BEFORE 20?... I bet you have.", ">\n\nI know it’s technically possible to be a granny at 40. The vast majority of 40 year olds are not grandmothers however. I’m 40, husband is 43, our kids are 6.", ">\n\nLol well I'm about to hit 37. I know what you're saying. I'm just saying. Lots of grandparents across the globe are our age.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage basically shows that it’s not a bra doing the work and they really ARE that perky/voluminous. Plus lol it’s seen less so is just that more hot.", ">\n\nYeah I was going to say, they actually don’t always show the same thing. Cleavage can show many things, but often times it’s “what they look like while supported and pushed slightly together. Cleavage view vs natural can often be quite different. \nBut under boob cleavage, by very nature of no bra, a “is what you see is what you get” type deal.", ">\n\nIt does, under boob makes me far hornier than regular cleavage", ">\n\nSame, side boob and top boob are regular everyday occurrences. They have become somewhat played out. You can go to a church and you may see some top boob.\nUnder boob is a treat. An occasion. Something special", ">\n\nSide boob is my favorite boob", ">\n\nSide boob when classy. Under boob when casual. This is the scientific formula.", ">\n\nSide, under, top are all OK to be seen these days. My conclusion is ladies who want to show off should just put some pasties on and be done it.", ">\n\nYeah, agreed. Culturally, we’ve created a fetish out of boobs by forcing them to be concealed. It’s a feedback loop… they’re sexualized because they’re hidden, and they’re hidden because they’re sexualized. Gotta break the cycle.", ">\n\nLOL yeah tell that to thousands of years of evolution. They aren't sexualized because they're hidden. But I agree with your overall point.", ">\n\nHave you been to a nude beach, or just a beach outside of America? It becomes normalized very quickly and is nothing more fascinating than a leg. Just like legs can be well formed and attractive, so can boobs, but I don’t believe they are inherently more sexual than other parts of the body we don’t consider provocative.\nI’m surprised you bring up evolution when we can look to modern day tribes where the women are topless and it’s a non-event. Any time you prohibit something, that thing becomes more exciting. If you’re on a diet and not allowed to eat sugar, your first bite of cake in a year will be damn near orgasmic. Cake every day is boring. We love the forbidden and the taboo because we are novelty seekers.", ">\n\nI agree with you to the most part. \nBut i do think there is an evolutionairy element, due to them beeing the deciding factor if a woman will be able to nurture younglings. Sexualisation of them makes no sense in this context, BUT since it is a specific female body-trait, it will remind the male brain to fullfill his destiny", ">\n\nwhat abt lesbians then ? Are they “male brained” because they find tits attractive ?", ">\n\nThey’re usually a little more gradually sloping at the top, allowing for a bit more plausible deniability of exactly where they start. At the bottom it’s bam.", ">\n\nUnder boob and no bra… oh my gawd. What a time to be alive man.", ">\n\nIt’s not necessarily more risqué, but it certainly is more risky. One sudden movement and it’s over 😭", ">\n\nbut u r less like to accidentally flash someone if u just have upper boob cleavage rather than lower", ">\n\nThis is called Australian cleavage.\nBecause it is from down unda", ">\n\nWhat...you totally left out side-boob exposure? Now I'll have to go for a shower myself and give this topic some serious thought.", ">\n\nUnderboob usually means the entire torso is exposed while regular cleavage is just a few inches of chest and neck.", ">\n\nProbably just normalization. Top-of-boob is extremely common whereas bottom-of-boob is more difficulty and so more rare.", ">\n\nI think because it feels FAR less secure than “top cleavage”. Like one upward moving breeze and you’re fucked", ">\n\nHeh", ">\n\nTo show underboob, you’ve got to have your belly out too, no?", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear. Same amount if skin, but one is scandalous for people. Logic.", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear is more about the situation, not the amout of skin showing", ">\n\nAlso they wildly different type of fabric.\nIt's not much different than wearing a speedo becomes wildly less acceptable the further from water you get", ">\n\nMan, freshman year of highschool I took biology. My lab partner was this sophmore hippy chick. more often than not she wore crop tops with no bra. She would stretch by raising her arms way over her head like a dozen times per class and the underboob was glorious. good times.", ">\n\nUmmm missed signs / opportunity?", ">\n\nIt's been too many years to remember to be honest, but I think she had a boyfriend with a car and that was way too intimidating for 14 year old me. \n🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nYou typically only see the bottom of the boob when you can see the entire boob, so that's why I think it's so much more alluring. Way less common to see without also seeing a nipple.", ">\n\nUnderboob cleavage is like dogs watching you eat food waiting for you to drop some. Regular cleavage is dogs seeing food on the counter and knowing they're not allowed up there.", ">\n\nUnder-boob is 1 abrupt movement away from full titties. Normal cleavage needs a full handstand for that.", ">\n\nany woman can look good with top cleavage. only a special few can pull off bottom cleavage", ">\n\nA few? Oh, friend.\nThere are over 350,000 plumbers represented by the United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipefitting Industry of US and Canada!", ">\n\nThey are absolutely NOT the same. Underboob any day. Im also partial to side-tit", ">\n\nUnderboob is more provocative imo.. depending on the occasion it can br very sexy.", ">\n\nIdk man I can get a lot more boob details from under boob. You can kinda tell the size of the boobs from traditional cleavage. But under boob gives so much more info. Are they perky? Do they hang nicely? Are they centered or off to the sides? Are the nipples huge? All of these questions are answered.", ">\n\nI hate Anton levay, but he calls this The Law of the Forbidden.", ">\n\nIf we all wear knee and elbow pads. In a few 100 years or less even. Knees and elbows will become an aphrodisiac. \nSomething to take into account. We want what we can’t have. \nThis is my big argument on drug addiction and that most of addiction stems from the scarcity of drug supply. It’s not like Starbucks where you can get your CNS most times of the day and if Starbucks is close, gas stations got the back up for you CNS.", ">\n\nThere's a complete lack of appreciation for the under-boob in modern society.", ">\n\nUnderboob means no bra which drives our animalistic instincts, normal cleavage can be the result of a push up bra", ">\n\nI think it's hotter look & more realistic for every shape & size to look flattering. Love underboob. 🤙", ">\n\nI only read one mention of side boob.. with side boob, under boob, and cleavage I almost have a complete picture.", ">\n\nYou just reminded me of Channon's nipple window outfit in Transmetropolitan.", ">\n\nUnderboob is the only case of potential energy working in practice", ">\n\nWe don't see underboob on a daily basis, so it's the excitement of different even though it's not that different.", ">\n\nI love underboon. As others have pointed out, it's a less common sight, so it's more of a treat.", ">\n\nKinda like side boob", ">\n\nDon't even get me started on the occasional nipple sighting.", ">\n\nThe answer is gravity. More likely for them to fall out and be completely exposed.", ">\n\nOne has crumbs the other gets sweaty. Both are salty I guess", ">\n\nUnderboob is much more risqué, because then you’ll see my undernipple.", ">\n\nThis is like saying wine in a box is the same as wine in a bottle.", ">\n\nLet’s face it. Most guys are from the dark ages. They’re caveman. They like a woman to be showing her cleavage and under boob cleavage. But for me, a woman looks best when she is just absolutely naked.", ">\n\nI assume it's because of gravity.\nUnderboob has the rounded look that's in right now. The fake boob perky look.\nTop cleavage can with a good bra but gravity guarantees that nice round underboob." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nUnderboob implies the possibility of gravity making it full boob", ">\n\nYeah, underboob carries a much higher risk of loss of containment.", ">\n\nand then you get a warp core breach.", ">\n\nStop it, you're overloading my PPS conduits", ">\n\nSounds like someone needs to scrub their plasma manifolds", ">\n\nLet me know if Dax is available", ">\n\nKurzon?", ">\n\nNo, I blame him for Jadzia's death lol", ">\n\nJadzia dies!?", ">\n\nDepends on your definition of \"dies\"", ">\n\nit defines the actual shape of the breast. \nAlso, it’s less common to see. Calves used to be risqué at one time.", ">\n\nYeah baby, show us that ankle\n-Victorian Era bros probably", ">\n\nFun fact: table \"legs\" were deemed potentially too arousing, hence the development of the table skirt.\nVictorian's were fucking weird.", ">\n\nI demand boobs on furniture.", ">\n\nboobs, and a whole lot more", ">\n\nNow that just makes it seem like the victorians were actually justified.", ">\n\nImagine having that hidden under a table skirt in Victorian England.", ">\n\noooh the scandal!", ">\n\nGene Roddenberry once said that when designing costumes for the original Star Trek back in the late 1960s, network censors allowed some top cleavage but forbade - to use your term - “under-boob cleavage.”", ">\n\nInteresting! This is a fascinating confirmation of my hunch.", ">\n\nI have been diagnosed with dementia.", ">\n\nYou know damn well that this is a common bug on reddit.", ">\n\nPerhaps he forgot", ">\n\nTrue. Also, \nGitHub.com/MOABdali/MegaCheckers", ">\n\nThis will make a fine addition to my collection", ">\n\nThis was from before I became a \"professional coder\". I'm a bit better now, so I've begun working on the game from scratch now, utilizing less spaghetti code.", ">\n\ngotta love the underboob. the sight of it is guaranteed to improve your day.", ">\n\nUnless you're at Walmart, and they're hanging over a belt", ">\n\nUnderboobs often comes with a visible tummy. \nIt's a great combo.", ">\n\nThere a sub for that? Asking for me.", ">\n\nThere is definitely an underboob subreddit.", ">\n\nThere are at least two.", ">\n\nAnd my axe!", ">\n\nHow many times have you seen someone's tits fall out a normal cleavage? Coz I haven't? But have you ever seen a girl with an underboob shirt lift her arms? Tits come flying out", ">\n\nOnce. I've seen tits explode out of cleavage, (not on purpose) once. It was my great aunt. She was 76.", ">\n\nI'm so sorry/happy for you that you had to witness this", ">\n\nwhy are you happy bro damn he said she was his 76yo great aunt tf", ">\n\nHey, I said sorry/happy. No clue what he's into", ">\n\nFunny shit", ">\n\nUnder is closer to the nipple so I feel that makes it more risqué.", ">\n\nNot when you’re 40", ">\n\noh yea gimme some of that granny underboob.\nShe's showing underboob cleavage, but its a normal XL shirt", ">\n\nGranny? At 40?", ">\n\nImagine you have a kid at 20. And that kid has a kid at 20. How old are?\nNow have you ever met anyone that had a kid BEFORE 20?... I bet you have.", ">\n\nI know it’s technically possible to be a granny at 40. The vast majority of 40 year olds are not grandmothers however. I’m 40, husband is 43, our kids are 6.", ">\n\nLol well I'm about to hit 37. I know what you're saying. I'm just saying. Lots of grandparents across the globe are our age.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage basically shows that it’s not a bra doing the work and they really ARE that perky/voluminous. Plus lol it’s seen less so is just that more hot.", ">\n\nYeah I was going to say, they actually don’t always show the same thing. Cleavage can show many things, but often times it’s “what they look like while supported and pushed slightly together. Cleavage view vs natural can often be quite different. \nBut under boob cleavage, by very nature of no bra, a “is what you see is what you get” type deal.", ">\n\nIt does, under boob makes me far hornier than regular cleavage", ">\n\nSame, side boob and top boob are regular everyday occurrences. They have become somewhat played out. You can go to a church and you may see some top boob.\nUnder boob is a treat. An occasion. Something special", ">\n\nSide boob is my favorite boob", ">\n\nSide boob when classy. Under boob when casual. This is the scientific formula.", ">\n\nSide, under, top are all OK to be seen these days. My conclusion is ladies who want to show off should just put some pasties on and be done it.", ">\n\nYeah, agreed. Culturally, we’ve created a fetish out of boobs by forcing them to be concealed. It’s a feedback loop… they’re sexualized because they’re hidden, and they’re hidden because they’re sexualized. Gotta break the cycle.", ">\n\nLOL yeah tell that to thousands of years of evolution. They aren't sexualized because they're hidden. But I agree with your overall point.", ">\n\nHave you been to a nude beach, or just a beach outside of America? It becomes normalized very quickly and is nothing more fascinating than a leg. Just like legs can be well formed and attractive, so can boobs, but I don’t believe they are inherently more sexual than other parts of the body we don’t consider provocative.\nI’m surprised you bring up evolution when we can look to modern day tribes where the women are topless and it’s a non-event. Any time you prohibit something, that thing becomes more exciting. If you’re on a diet and not allowed to eat sugar, your first bite of cake in a year will be damn near orgasmic. Cake every day is boring. We love the forbidden and the taboo because we are novelty seekers.", ">\n\nI agree with you to the most part. \nBut i do think there is an evolutionairy element, due to them beeing the deciding factor if a woman will be able to nurture younglings. Sexualisation of them makes no sense in this context, BUT since it is a specific female body-trait, it will remind the male brain to fullfill his destiny", ">\n\nwhat abt lesbians then ? Are they “male brained” because they find tits attractive ?", ">\n\nThey’re usually a little more gradually sloping at the top, allowing for a bit more plausible deniability of exactly where they start. At the bottom it’s bam.", ">\n\nUnder boob and no bra… oh my gawd. What a time to be alive man.", ">\n\nIt’s not necessarily more risqué, but it certainly is more risky. One sudden movement and it’s over 😭", ">\n\nbut u r less like to accidentally flash someone if u just have upper boob cleavage rather than lower", ">\n\nThis is called Australian cleavage.\nBecause it is from down unda", ">\n\nWhat...you totally left out side-boob exposure? Now I'll have to go for a shower myself and give this topic some serious thought.", ">\n\nUnderboob usually means the entire torso is exposed while regular cleavage is just a few inches of chest and neck.", ">\n\nProbably just normalization. Top-of-boob is extremely common whereas bottom-of-boob is more difficulty and so more rare.", ">\n\nI think because it feels FAR less secure than “top cleavage”. Like one upward moving breeze and you’re fucked", ">\n\nHeh", ">\n\nTo show underboob, you’ve got to have your belly out too, no?", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear. Same amount if skin, but one is scandalous for people. Logic.", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear is more about the situation, not the amout of skin showing", ">\n\nAlso they wildly different type of fabric.\nIt's not much different than wearing a speedo becomes wildly less acceptable the further from water you get", ">\n\nMan, freshman year of highschool I took biology. My lab partner was this sophmore hippy chick. more often than not she wore crop tops with no bra. She would stretch by raising her arms way over her head like a dozen times per class and the underboob was glorious. good times.", ">\n\nUmmm missed signs / opportunity?", ">\n\nIt's been too many years to remember to be honest, but I think she had a boyfriend with a car and that was way too intimidating for 14 year old me. \n🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nYou typically only see the bottom of the boob when you can see the entire boob, so that's why I think it's so much more alluring. Way less common to see without also seeing a nipple.", ">\n\nUnderboob cleavage is like dogs watching you eat food waiting for you to drop some. Regular cleavage is dogs seeing food on the counter and knowing they're not allowed up there.", ">\n\nUnder-boob is 1 abrupt movement away from full titties. Normal cleavage needs a full handstand for that.", ">\n\nany woman can look good with top cleavage. only a special few can pull off bottom cleavage", ">\n\nA few? Oh, friend.\nThere are over 350,000 plumbers represented by the United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipefitting Industry of US and Canada!", ">\n\nThey are absolutely NOT the same. Underboob any day. Im also partial to side-tit", ">\n\nUnderboob is more provocative imo.. depending on the occasion it can br very sexy.", ">\n\nIdk man I can get a lot more boob details from under boob. You can kinda tell the size of the boobs from traditional cleavage. But under boob gives so much more info. Are they perky? Do they hang nicely? Are they centered or off to the sides? Are the nipples huge? All of these questions are answered.", ">\n\nI hate Anton levay, but he calls this The Law of the Forbidden.", ">\n\nIf we all wear knee and elbow pads. In a few 100 years or less even. Knees and elbows will become an aphrodisiac. \nSomething to take into account. We want what we can’t have. \nThis is my big argument on drug addiction and that most of addiction stems from the scarcity of drug supply. It’s not like Starbucks where you can get your CNS most times of the day and if Starbucks is close, gas stations got the back up for you CNS.", ">\n\nThere's a complete lack of appreciation for the under-boob in modern society.", ">\n\nUnderboob means no bra which drives our animalistic instincts, normal cleavage can be the result of a push up bra", ">\n\nI think it's hotter look & more realistic for every shape & size to look flattering. Love underboob. 🤙", ">\n\nI only read one mention of side boob.. with side boob, under boob, and cleavage I almost have a complete picture.", ">\n\nYou just reminded me of Channon's nipple window outfit in Transmetropolitan.", ">\n\nUnderboob is the only case of potential energy working in practice", ">\n\nWe don't see underboob on a daily basis, so it's the excitement of different even though it's not that different.", ">\n\nI love underboon. As others have pointed out, it's a less common sight, so it's more of a treat.", ">\n\nKinda like side boob", ">\n\nDon't even get me started on the occasional nipple sighting.", ">\n\nThe answer is gravity. More likely for them to fall out and be completely exposed.", ">\n\nOne has crumbs the other gets sweaty. Both are salty I guess", ">\n\nUnderboob is much more risqué, because then you’ll see my undernipple.", ">\n\nThis is like saying wine in a box is the same as wine in a bottle.", ">\n\nLet’s face it. Most guys are from the dark ages. They’re caveman. They like a woman to be showing her cleavage and under boob cleavage. But for me, a woman looks best when she is just absolutely naked.", ">\n\nI assume it's because of gravity.\nUnderboob has the rounded look that's in right now. The fake boob perky look.\nTop cleavage can with a good bra but gravity guarantees that nice round underboob.", ">\n\nI disagree completely. Tell the girl with under boob and the girl with normal cleavage to jump up and down and notice who slips out first." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nUnderboob implies the possibility of gravity making it full boob", ">\n\nYeah, underboob carries a much higher risk of loss of containment.", ">\n\nand then you get a warp core breach.", ">\n\nStop it, you're overloading my PPS conduits", ">\n\nSounds like someone needs to scrub their plasma manifolds", ">\n\nLet me know if Dax is available", ">\n\nKurzon?", ">\n\nNo, I blame him for Jadzia's death lol", ">\n\nJadzia dies!?", ">\n\nDepends on your definition of \"dies\"", ">\n\nit defines the actual shape of the breast. \nAlso, it’s less common to see. Calves used to be risqué at one time.", ">\n\nYeah baby, show us that ankle\n-Victorian Era bros probably", ">\n\nFun fact: table \"legs\" were deemed potentially too arousing, hence the development of the table skirt.\nVictorian's were fucking weird.", ">\n\nI demand boobs on furniture.", ">\n\nboobs, and a whole lot more", ">\n\nNow that just makes it seem like the victorians were actually justified.", ">\n\nImagine having that hidden under a table skirt in Victorian England.", ">\n\noooh the scandal!", ">\n\nGene Roddenberry once said that when designing costumes for the original Star Trek back in the late 1960s, network censors allowed some top cleavage but forbade - to use your term - “under-boob cleavage.”", ">\n\nInteresting! This is a fascinating confirmation of my hunch.", ">\n\nI have been diagnosed with dementia.", ">\n\nYou know damn well that this is a common bug on reddit.", ">\n\nPerhaps he forgot", ">\n\nTrue. Also, \nGitHub.com/MOABdali/MegaCheckers", ">\n\nThis will make a fine addition to my collection", ">\n\nThis was from before I became a \"professional coder\". I'm a bit better now, so I've begun working on the game from scratch now, utilizing less spaghetti code.", ">\n\ngotta love the underboob. the sight of it is guaranteed to improve your day.", ">\n\nUnless you're at Walmart, and they're hanging over a belt", ">\n\nUnderboobs often comes with a visible tummy. \nIt's a great combo.", ">\n\nThere a sub for that? Asking for me.", ">\n\nThere is definitely an underboob subreddit.", ">\n\nThere are at least two.", ">\n\nAnd my axe!", ">\n\nHow many times have you seen someone's tits fall out a normal cleavage? Coz I haven't? But have you ever seen a girl with an underboob shirt lift her arms? Tits come flying out", ">\n\nOnce. I've seen tits explode out of cleavage, (not on purpose) once. It was my great aunt. She was 76.", ">\n\nI'm so sorry/happy for you that you had to witness this", ">\n\nwhy are you happy bro damn he said she was his 76yo great aunt tf", ">\n\nHey, I said sorry/happy. No clue what he's into", ">\n\nFunny shit", ">\n\nUnder is closer to the nipple so I feel that makes it more risqué.", ">\n\nNot when you’re 40", ">\n\noh yea gimme some of that granny underboob.\nShe's showing underboob cleavage, but its a normal XL shirt", ">\n\nGranny? At 40?", ">\n\nImagine you have a kid at 20. And that kid has a kid at 20. How old are?\nNow have you ever met anyone that had a kid BEFORE 20?... I bet you have.", ">\n\nI know it’s technically possible to be a granny at 40. The vast majority of 40 year olds are not grandmothers however. I’m 40, husband is 43, our kids are 6.", ">\n\nLol well I'm about to hit 37. I know what you're saying. I'm just saying. Lots of grandparents across the globe are our age.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage basically shows that it’s not a bra doing the work and they really ARE that perky/voluminous. Plus lol it’s seen less so is just that more hot.", ">\n\nYeah I was going to say, they actually don’t always show the same thing. Cleavage can show many things, but often times it’s “what they look like while supported and pushed slightly together. Cleavage view vs natural can often be quite different. \nBut under boob cleavage, by very nature of no bra, a “is what you see is what you get” type deal.", ">\n\nIt does, under boob makes me far hornier than regular cleavage", ">\n\nSame, side boob and top boob are regular everyday occurrences. They have become somewhat played out. You can go to a church and you may see some top boob.\nUnder boob is a treat. An occasion. Something special", ">\n\nSide boob is my favorite boob", ">\n\nSide boob when classy. Under boob when casual. This is the scientific formula.", ">\n\nSide, under, top are all OK to be seen these days. My conclusion is ladies who want to show off should just put some pasties on and be done it.", ">\n\nYeah, agreed. Culturally, we’ve created a fetish out of boobs by forcing them to be concealed. It’s a feedback loop… they’re sexualized because they’re hidden, and they’re hidden because they’re sexualized. Gotta break the cycle.", ">\n\nLOL yeah tell that to thousands of years of evolution. They aren't sexualized because they're hidden. But I agree with your overall point.", ">\n\nHave you been to a nude beach, or just a beach outside of America? It becomes normalized very quickly and is nothing more fascinating than a leg. Just like legs can be well formed and attractive, so can boobs, but I don’t believe they are inherently more sexual than other parts of the body we don’t consider provocative.\nI’m surprised you bring up evolution when we can look to modern day tribes where the women are topless and it’s a non-event. Any time you prohibit something, that thing becomes more exciting. If you’re on a diet and not allowed to eat sugar, your first bite of cake in a year will be damn near orgasmic. Cake every day is boring. We love the forbidden and the taboo because we are novelty seekers.", ">\n\nI agree with you to the most part. \nBut i do think there is an evolutionairy element, due to them beeing the deciding factor if a woman will be able to nurture younglings. Sexualisation of them makes no sense in this context, BUT since it is a specific female body-trait, it will remind the male brain to fullfill his destiny", ">\n\nwhat abt lesbians then ? Are they “male brained” because they find tits attractive ?", ">\n\nThey’re usually a little more gradually sloping at the top, allowing for a bit more plausible deniability of exactly where they start. At the bottom it’s bam.", ">\n\nUnder boob and no bra… oh my gawd. What a time to be alive man.", ">\n\nIt’s not necessarily more risqué, but it certainly is more risky. One sudden movement and it’s over 😭", ">\n\nbut u r less like to accidentally flash someone if u just have upper boob cleavage rather than lower", ">\n\nThis is called Australian cleavage.\nBecause it is from down unda", ">\n\nWhat...you totally left out side-boob exposure? Now I'll have to go for a shower myself and give this topic some serious thought.", ">\n\nUnderboob usually means the entire torso is exposed while regular cleavage is just a few inches of chest and neck.", ">\n\nProbably just normalization. Top-of-boob is extremely common whereas bottom-of-boob is more difficulty and so more rare.", ">\n\nI think because it feels FAR less secure than “top cleavage”. Like one upward moving breeze and you’re fucked", ">\n\nHeh", ">\n\nTo show underboob, you’ve got to have your belly out too, no?", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear. Same amount if skin, but one is scandalous for people. Logic.", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear is more about the situation, not the amout of skin showing", ">\n\nAlso they wildly different type of fabric.\nIt's not much different than wearing a speedo becomes wildly less acceptable the further from water you get", ">\n\nMan, freshman year of highschool I took biology. My lab partner was this sophmore hippy chick. more often than not she wore crop tops with no bra. She would stretch by raising her arms way over her head like a dozen times per class and the underboob was glorious. good times.", ">\n\nUmmm missed signs / opportunity?", ">\n\nIt's been too many years to remember to be honest, but I think she had a boyfriend with a car and that was way too intimidating for 14 year old me. \n🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nYou typically only see the bottom of the boob when you can see the entire boob, so that's why I think it's so much more alluring. Way less common to see without also seeing a nipple.", ">\n\nUnderboob cleavage is like dogs watching you eat food waiting for you to drop some. Regular cleavage is dogs seeing food on the counter and knowing they're not allowed up there.", ">\n\nUnder-boob is 1 abrupt movement away from full titties. Normal cleavage needs a full handstand for that.", ">\n\nany woman can look good with top cleavage. only a special few can pull off bottom cleavage", ">\n\nA few? Oh, friend.\nThere are over 350,000 plumbers represented by the United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipefitting Industry of US and Canada!", ">\n\nThey are absolutely NOT the same. Underboob any day. Im also partial to side-tit", ">\n\nUnderboob is more provocative imo.. depending on the occasion it can br very sexy.", ">\n\nIdk man I can get a lot more boob details from under boob. You can kinda tell the size of the boobs from traditional cleavage. But under boob gives so much more info. Are they perky? Do they hang nicely? Are they centered or off to the sides? Are the nipples huge? All of these questions are answered.", ">\n\nI hate Anton levay, but he calls this The Law of the Forbidden.", ">\n\nIf we all wear knee and elbow pads. In a few 100 years or less even. Knees and elbows will become an aphrodisiac. \nSomething to take into account. We want what we can’t have. \nThis is my big argument on drug addiction and that most of addiction stems from the scarcity of drug supply. It’s not like Starbucks where you can get your CNS most times of the day and if Starbucks is close, gas stations got the back up for you CNS.", ">\n\nThere's a complete lack of appreciation for the under-boob in modern society.", ">\n\nUnderboob means no bra which drives our animalistic instincts, normal cleavage can be the result of a push up bra", ">\n\nI think it's hotter look & more realistic for every shape & size to look flattering. Love underboob. 🤙", ">\n\nI only read one mention of side boob.. with side boob, under boob, and cleavage I almost have a complete picture.", ">\n\nYou just reminded me of Channon's nipple window outfit in Transmetropolitan.", ">\n\nUnderboob is the only case of potential energy working in practice", ">\n\nWe don't see underboob on a daily basis, so it's the excitement of different even though it's not that different.", ">\n\nI love underboon. As others have pointed out, it's a less common sight, so it's more of a treat.", ">\n\nKinda like side boob", ">\n\nDon't even get me started on the occasional nipple sighting.", ">\n\nThe answer is gravity. More likely for them to fall out and be completely exposed.", ">\n\nOne has crumbs the other gets sweaty. Both are salty I guess", ">\n\nUnderboob is much more risqué, because then you’ll see my undernipple.", ">\n\nThis is like saying wine in a box is the same as wine in a bottle.", ">\n\nLet’s face it. Most guys are from the dark ages. They’re caveman. They like a woman to be showing her cleavage and under boob cleavage. But for me, a woman looks best when she is just absolutely naked.", ">\n\nI assume it's because of gravity.\nUnderboob has the rounded look that's in right now. The fake boob perky look.\nTop cleavage can with a good bra but gravity guarantees that nice round underboob.", ">\n\nI disagree completely. Tell the girl with under boob and the girl with normal cleavage to jump up and down and notice who slips out first.", ">\n\nThe answer would be me. I'd slip out first." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nUnderboob implies the possibility of gravity making it full boob", ">\n\nYeah, underboob carries a much higher risk of loss of containment.", ">\n\nand then you get a warp core breach.", ">\n\nStop it, you're overloading my PPS conduits", ">\n\nSounds like someone needs to scrub their plasma manifolds", ">\n\nLet me know if Dax is available", ">\n\nKurzon?", ">\n\nNo, I blame him for Jadzia's death lol", ">\n\nJadzia dies!?", ">\n\nDepends on your definition of \"dies\"", ">\n\nit defines the actual shape of the breast. \nAlso, it’s less common to see. Calves used to be risqué at one time.", ">\n\nYeah baby, show us that ankle\n-Victorian Era bros probably", ">\n\nFun fact: table \"legs\" were deemed potentially too arousing, hence the development of the table skirt.\nVictorian's were fucking weird.", ">\n\nI demand boobs on furniture.", ">\n\nboobs, and a whole lot more", ">\n\nNow that just makes it seem like the victorians were actually justified.", ">\n\nImagine having that hidden under a table skirt in Victorian England.", ">\n\noooh the scandal!", ">\n\nGene Roddenberry once said that when designing costumes for the original Star Trek back in the late 1960s, network censors allowed some top cleavage but forbade - to use your term - “under-boob cleavage.”", ">\n\nInteresting! This is a fascinating confirmation of my hunch.", ">\n\nI have been diagnosed with dementia.", ">\n\nYou know damn well that this is a common bug on reddit.", ">\n\nPerhaps he forgot", ">\n\nTrue. Also, \nGitHub.com/MOABdali/MegaCheckers", ">\n\nThis will make a fine addition to my collection", ">\n\nThis was from before I became a \"professional coder\". I'm a bit better now, so I've begun working on the game from scratch now, utilizing less spaghetti code.", ">\n\ngotta love the underboob. the sight of it is guaranteed to improve your day.", ">\n\nUnless you're at Walmart, and they're hanging over a belt", ">\n\nUnderboobs often comes with a visible tummy. \nIt's a great combo.", ">\n\nThere a sub for that? Asking for me.", ">\n\nThere is definitely an underboob subreddit.", ">\n\nThere are at least two.", ">\n\nAnd my axe!", ">\n\nHow many times have you seen someone's tits fall out a normal cleavage? Coz I haven't? But have you ever seen a girl with an underboob shirt lift her arms? Tits come flying out", ">\n\nOnce. I've seen tits explode out of cleavage, (not on purpose) once. It was my great aunt. She was 76.", ">\n\nI'm so sorry/happy for you that you had to witness this", ">\n\nwhy are you happy bro damn he said she was his 76yo great aunt tf", ">\n\nHey, I said sorry/happy. No clue what he's into", ">\n\nFunny shit", ">\n\nUnder is closer to the nipple so I feel that makes it more risqué.", ">\n\nNot when you’re 40", ">\n\noh yea gimme some of that granny underboob.\nShe's showing underboob cleavage, but its a normal XL shirt", ">\n\nGranny? At 40?", ">\n\nImagine you have a kid at 20. And that kid has a kid at 20. How old are?\nNow have you ever met anyone that had a kid BEFORE 20?... I bet you have.", ">\n\nI know it’s technically possible to be a granny at 40. The vast majority of 40 year olds are not grandmothers however. I’m 40, husband is 43, our kids are 6.", ">\n\nLol well I'm about to hit 37. I know what you're saying. I'm just saying. Lots of grandparents across the globe are our age.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage basically shows that it’s not a bra doing the work and they really ARE that perky/voluminous. Plus lol it’s seen less so is just that more hot.", ">\n\nYeah I was going to say, they actually don’t always show the same thing. Cleavage can show many things, but often times it’s “what they look like while supported and pushed slightly together. Cleavage view vs natural can often be quite different. \nBut under boob cleavage, by very nature of no bra, a “is what you see is what you get” type deal.", ">\n\nIt does, under boob makes me far hornier than regular cleavage", ">\n\nSame, side boob and top boob are regular everyday occurrences. They have become somewhat played out. You can go to a church and you may see some top boob.\nUnder boob is a treat. An occasion. Something special", ">\n\nSide boob is my favorite boob", ">\n\nSide boob when classy. Under boob when casual. This is the scientific formula.", ">\n\nSide, under, top are all OK to be seen these days. My conclusion is ladies who want to show off should just put some pasties on and be done it.", ">\n\nYeah, agreed. Culturally, we’ve created a fetish out of boobs by forcing them to be concealed. It’s a feedback loop… they’re sexualized because they’re hidden, and they’re hidden because they’re sexualized. Gotta break the cycle.", ">\n\nLOL yeah tell that to thousands of years of evolution. They aren't sexualized because they're hidden. But I agree with your overall point.", ">\n\nHave you been to a nude beach, or just a beach outside of America? It becomes normalized very quickly and is nothing more fascinating than a leg. Just like legs can be well formed and attractive, so can boobs, but I don’t believe they are inherently more sexual than other parts of the body we don’t consider provocative.\nI’m surprised you bring up evolution when we can look to modern day tribes where the women are topless and it’s a non-event. Any time you prohibit something, that thing becomes more exciting. If you’re on a diet and not allowed to eat sugar, your first bite of cake in a year will be damn near orgasmic. Cake every day is boring. We love the forbidden and the taboo because we are novelty seekers.", ">\n\nI agree with you to the most part. \nBut i do think there is an evolutionairy element, due to them beeing the deciding factor if a woman will be able to nurture younglings. Sexualisation of them makes no sense in this context, BUT since it is a specific female body-trait, it will remind the male brain to fullfill his destiny", ">\n\nwhat abt lesbians then ? Are they “male brained” because they find tits attractive ?", ">\n\nThey’re usually a little more gradually sloping at the top, allowing for a bit more plausible deniability of exactly where they start. At the bottom it’s bam.", ">\n\nUnder boob and no bra… oh my gawd. What a time to be alive man.", ">\n\nIt’s not necessarily more risqué, but it certainly is more risky. One sudden movement and it’s over 😭", ">\n\nbut u r less like to accidentally flash someone if u just have upper boob cleavage rather than lower", ">\n\nThis is called Australian cleavage.\nBecause it is from down unda", ">\n\nWhat...you totally left out side-boob exposure? Now I'll have to go for a shower myself and give this topic some serious thought.", ">\n\nUnderboob usually means the entire torso is exposed while regular cleavage is just a few inches of chest and neck.", ">\n\nProbably just normalization. Top-of-boob is extremely common whereas bottom-of-boob is more difficulty and so more rare.", ">\n\nI think because it feels FAR less secure than “top cleavage”. Like one upward moving breeze and you’re fucked", ">\n\nHeh", ">\n\nTo show underboob, you’ve got to have your belly out too, no?", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear. Same amount if skin, but one is scandalous for people. Logic.", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear is more about the situation, not the amout of skin showing", ">\n\nAlso they wildly different type of fabric.\nIt's not much different than wearing a speedo becomes wildly less acceptable the further from water you get", ">\n\nMan, freshman year of highschool I took biology. My lab partner was this sophmore hippy chick. more often than not she wore crop tops with no bra. She would stretch by raising her arms way over her head like a dozen times per class and the underboob was glorious. good times.", ">\n\nUmmm missed signs / opportunity?", ">\n\nIt's been too many years to remember to be honest, but I think she had a boyfriend with a car and that was way too intimidating for 14 year old me. \n🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nYou typically only see the bottom of the boob when you can see the entire boob, so that's why I think it's so much more alluring. Way less common to see without also seeing a nipple.", ">\n\nUnderboob cleavage is like dogs watching you eat food waiting for you to drop some. Regular cleavage is dogs seeing food on the counter and knowing they're not allowed up there.", ">\n\nUnder-boob is 1 abrupt movement away from full titties. Normal cleavage needs a full handstand for that.", ">\n\nany woman can look good with top cleavage. only a special few can pull off bottom cleavage", ">\n\nA few? Oh, friend.\nThere are over 350,000 plumbers represented by the United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipefitting Industry of US and Canada!", ">\n\nThey are absolutely NOT the same. Underboob any day. Im also partial to side-tit", ">\n\nUnderboob is more provocative imo.. depending on the occasion it can br very sexy.", ">\n\nIdk man I can get a lot more boob details from under boob. You can kinda tell the size of the boobs from traditional cleavage. But under boob gives so much more info. Are they perky? Do they hang nicely? Are they centered or off to the sides? Are the nipples huge? All of these questions are answered.", ">\n\nI hate Anton levay, but he calls this The Law of the Forbidden.", ">\n\nIf we all wear knee and elbow pads. In a few 100 years or less even. Knees and elbows will become an aphrodisiac. \nSomething to take into account. We want what we can’t have. \nThis is my big argument on drug addiction and that most of addiction stems from the scarcity of drug supply. It’s not like Starbucks where you can get your CNS most times of the day and if Starbucks is close, gas stations got the back up for you CNS.", ">\n\nThere's a complete lack of appreciation for the under-boob in modern society.", ">\n\nUnderboob means no bra which drives our animalistic instincts, normal cleavage can be the result of a push up bra", ">\n\nI think it's hotter look & more realistic for every shape & size to look flattering. Love underboob. 🤙", ">\n\nI only read one mention of side boob.. with side boob, under boob, and cleavage I almost have a complete picture.", ">\n\nYou just reminded me of Channon's nipple window outfit in Transmetropolitan.", ">\n\nUnderboob is the only case of potential energy working in practice", ">\n\nWe don't see underboob on a daily basis, so it's the excitement of different even though it's not that different.", ">\n\nI love underboon. As others have pointed out, it's a less common sight, so it's more of a treat.", ">\n\nKinda like side boob", ">\n\nDon't even get me started on the occasional nipple sighting.", ">\n\nThe answer is gravity. More likely for them to fall out and be completely exposed.", ">\n\nOne has crumbs the other gets sweaty. Both are salty I guess", ">\n\nUnderboob is much more risqué, because then you’ll see my undernipple.", ">\n\nThis is like saying wine in a box is the same as wine in a bottle.", ">\n\nLet’s face it. Most guys are from the dark ages. They’re caveman. They like a woman to be showing her cleavage and under boob cleavage. But for me, a woman looks best when she is just absolutely naked.", ">\n\nI assume it's because of gravity.\nUnderboob has the rounded look that's in right now. The fake boob perky look.\nTop cleavage can with a good bra but gravity guarantees that nice round underboob.", ">\n\nI disagree completely. Tell the girl with under boob and the girl with normal cleavage to jump up and down and notice who slips out first.", ">\n\nThe answer would be me. I'd slip out first.", ">\n\nwhere does side-boob fall in the pantheon of breast visibility? asking for science." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nUnderboob implies the possibility of gravity making it full boob", ">\n\nYeah, underboob carries a much higher risk of loss of containment.", ">\n\nand then you get a warp core breach.", ">\n\nStop it, you're overloading my PPS conduits", ">\n\nSounds like someone needs to scrub their plasma manifolds", ">\n\nLet me know if Dax is available", ">\n\nKurzon?", ">\n\nNo, I blame him for Jadzia's death lol", ">\n\nJadzia dies!?", ">\n\nDepends on your definition of \"dies\"", ">\n\nit defines the actual shape of the breast. \nAlso, it’s less common to see. Calves used to be risqué at one time.", ">\n\nYeah baby, show us that ankle\n-Victorian Era bros probably", ">\n\nFun fact: table \"legs\" were deemed potentially too arousing, hence the development of the table skirt.\nVictorian's were fucking weird.", ">\n\nI demand boobs on furniture.", ">\n\nboobs, and a whole lot more", ">\n\nNow that just makes it seem like the victorians were actually justified.", ">\n\nImagine having that hidden under a table skirt in Victorian England.", ">\n\noooh the scandal!", ">\n\nGene Roddenberry once said that when designing costumes for the original Star Trek back in the late 1960s, network censors allowed some top cleavage but forbade - to use your term - “under-boob cleavage.”", ">\n\nInteresting! This is a fascinating confirmation of my hunch.", ">\n\nI have been diagnosed with dementia.", ">\n\nYou know damn well that this is a common bug on reddit.", ">\n\nPerhaps he forgot", ">\n\nTrue. Also, \nGitHub.com/MOABdali/MegaCheckers", ">\n\nThis will make a fine addition to my collection", ">\n\nThis was from before I became a \"professional coder\". I'm a bit better now, so I've begun working on the game from scratch now, utilizing less spaghetti code.", ">\n\ngotta love the underboob. the sight of it is guaranteed to improve your day.", ">\n\nUnless you're at Walmart, and they're hanging over a belt", ">\n\nUnderboobs often comes with a visible tummy. \nIt's a great combo.", ">\n\nThere a sub for that? Asking for me.", ">\n\nThere is definitely an underboob subreddit.", ">\n\nThere are at least two.", ">\n\nAnd my axe!", ">\n\nHow many times have you seen someone's tits fall out a normal cleavage? Coz I haven't? But have you ever seen a girl with an underboob shirt lift her arms? Tits come flying out", ">\n\nOnce. I've seen tits explode out of cleavage, (not on purpose) once. It was my great aunt. She was 76.", ">\n\nI'm so sorry/happy for you that you had to witness this", ">\n\nwhy are you happy bro damn he said she was his 76yo great aunt tf", ">\n\nHey, I said sorry/happy. No clue what he's into", ">\n\nFunny shit", ">\n\nUnder is closer to the nipple so I feel that makes it more risqué.", ">\n\nNot when you’re 40", ">\n\noh yea gimme some of that granny underboob.\nShe's showing underboob cleavage, but its a normal XL shirt", ">\n\nGranny? At 40?", ">\n\nImagine you have a kid at 20. And that kid has a kid at 20. How old are?\nNow have you ever met anyone that had a kid BEFORE 20?... I bet you have.", ">\n\nI know it’s technically possible to be a granny at 40. The vast majority of 40 year olds are not grandmothers however. I’m 40, husband is 43, our kids are 6.", ">\n\nLol well I'm about to hit 37. I know what you're saying. I'm just saying. Lots of grandparents across the globe are our age.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage basically shows that it’s not a bra doing the work and they really ARE that perky/voluminous. Plus lol it’s seen less so is just that more hot.", ">\n\nYeah I was going to say, they actually don’t always show the same thing. Cleavage can show many things, but often times it’s “what they look like while supported and pushed slightly together. Cleavage view vs natural can often be quite different. \nBut under boob cleavage, by very nature of no bra, a “is what you see is what you get” type deal.", ">\n\nIt does, under boob makes me far hornier than regular cleavage", ">\n\nSame, side boob and top boob are regular everyday occurrences. They have become somewhat played out. You can go to a church and you may see some top boob.\nUnder boob is a treat. An occasion. Something special", ">\n\nSide boob is my favorite boob", ">\n\nSide boob when classy. Under boob when casual. This is the scientific formula.", ">\n\nSide, under, top are all OK to be seen these days. My conclusion is ladies who want to show off should just put some pasties on and be done it.", ">\n\nYeah, agreed. Culturally, we’ve created a fetish out of boobs by forcing them to be concealed. It’s a feedback loop… they’re sexualized because they’re hidden, and they’re hidden because they’re sexualized. Gotta break the cycle.", ">\n\nLOL yeah tell that to thousands of years of evolution. They aren't sexualized because they're hidden. But I agree with your overall point.", ">\n\nHave you been to a nude beach, or just a beach outside of America? It becomes normalized very quickly and is nothing more fascinating than a leg. Just like legs can be well formed and attractive, so can boobs, but I don’t believe they are inherently more sexual than other parts of the body we don’t consider provocative.\nI’m surprised you bring up evolution when we can look to modern day tribes where the women are topless and it’s a non-event. Any time you prohibit something, that thing becomes more exciting. If you’re on a diet and not allowed to eat sugar, your first bite of cake in a year will be damn near orgasmic. Cake every day is boring. We love the forbidden and the taboo because we are novelty seekers.", ">\n\nI agree with you to the most part. \nBut i do think there is an evolutionairy element, due to them beeing the deciding factor if a woman will be able to nurture younglings. Sexualisation of them makes no sense in this context, BUT since it is a specific female body-trait, it will remind the male brain to fullfill his destiny", ">\n\nwhat abt lesbians then ? Are they “male brained” because they find tits attractive ?", ">\n\nThey’re usually a little more gradually sloping at the top, allowing for a bit more plausible deniability of exactly where they start. At the bottom it’s bam.", ">\n\nUnder boob and no bra… oh my gawd. What a time to be alive man.", ">\n\nIt’s not necessarily more risqué, but it certainly is more risky. One sudden movement and it’s over 😭", ">\n\nbut u r less like to accidentally flash someone if u just have upper boob cleavage rather than lower", ">\n\nThis is called Australian cleavage.\nBecause it is from down unda", ">\n\nWhat...you totally left out side-boob exposure? Now I'll have to go for a shower myself and give this topic some serious thought.", ">\n\nUnderboob usually means the entire torso is exposed while regular cleavage is just a few inches of chest and neck.", ">\n\nProbably just normalization. Top-of-boob is extremely common whereas bottom-of-boob is more difficulty and so more rare.", ">\n\nI think because it feels FAR less secure than “top cleavage”. Like one upward moving breeze and you’re fucked", ">\n\nHeh", ">\n\nTo show underboob, you’ve got to have your belly out too, no?", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear. Same amount if skin, but one is scandalous for people. Logic.", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear is more about the situation, not the amout of skin showing", ">\n\nAlso they wildly different type of fabric.\nIt's not much different than wearing a speedo becomes wildly less acceptable the further from water you get", ">\n\nMan, freshman year of highschool I took biology. My lab partner was this sophmore hippy chick. more often than not she wore crop tops with no bra. She would stretch by raising her arms way over her head like a dozen times per class and the underboob was glorious. good times.", ">\n\nUmmm missed signs / opportunity?", ">\n\nIt's been too many years to remember to be honest, but I think she had a boyfriend with a car and that was way too intimidating for 14 year old me. \n🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nYou typically only see the bottom of the boob when you can see the entire boob, so that's why I think it's so much more alluring. Way less common to see without also seeing a nipple.", ">\n\nUnderboob cleavage is like dogs watching you eat food waiting for you to drop some. Regular cleavage is dogs seeing food on the counter and knowing they're not allowed up there.", ">\n\nUnder-boob is 1 abrupt movement away from full titties. Normal cleavage needs a full handstand for that.", ">\n\nany woman can look good with top cleavage. only a special few can pull off bottom cleavage", ">\n\nA few? Oh, friend.\nThere are over 350,000 plumbers represented by the United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipefitting Industry of US and Canada!", ">\n\nThey are absolutely NOT the same. Underboob any day. Im also partial to side-tit", ">\n\nUnderboob is more provocative imo.. depending on the occasion it can br very sexy.", ">\n\nIdk man I can get a lot more boob details from under boob. You can kinda tell the size of the boobs from traditional cleavage. But under boob gives so much more info. Are they perky? Do they hang nicely? Are they centered or off to the sides? Are the nipples huge? All of these questions are answered.", ">\n\nI hate Anton levay, but he calls this The Law of the Forbidden.", ">\n\nIf we all wear knee and elbow pads. In a few 100 years or less even. Knees and elbows will become an aphrodisiac. \nSomething to take into account. We want what we can’t have. \nThis is my big argument on drug addiction and that most of addiction stems from the scarcity of drug supply. It’s not like Starbucks where you can get your CNS most times of the day and if Starbucks is close, gas stations got the back up for you CNS.", ">\n\nThere's a complete lack of appreciation for the under-boob in modern society.", ">\n\nUnderboob means no bra which drives our animalistic instincts, normal cleavage can be the result of a push up bra", ">\n\nI think it's hotter look & more realistic for every shape & size to look flattering. Love underboob. 🤙", ">\n\nI only read one mention of side boob.. with side boob, under boob, and cleavage I almost have a complete picture.", ">\n\nYou just reminded me of Channon's nipple window outfit in Transmetropolitan.", ">\n\nUnderboob is the only case of potential energy working in practice", ">\n\nWe don't see underboob on a daily basis, so it's the excitement of different even though it's not that different.", ">\n\nI love underboon. As others have pointed out, it's a less common sight, so it's more of a treat.", ">\n\nKinda like side boob", ">\n\nDon't even get me started on the occasional nipple sighting.", ">\n\nThe answer is gravity. More likely for them to fall out and be completely exposed.", ">\n\nOne has crumbs the other gets sweaty. Both are salty I guess", ">\n\nUnderboob is much more risqué, because then you’ll see my undernipple.", ">\n\nThis is like saying wine in a box is the same as wine in a bottle.", ">\n\nLet’s face it. Most guys are from the dark ages. They’re caveman. They like a woman to be showing her cleavage and under boob cleavage. But for me, a woman looks best when she is just absolutely naked.", ">\n\nI assume it's because of gravity.\nUnderboob has the rounded look that's in right now. The fake boob perky look.\nTop cleavage can with a good bra but gravity guarantees that nice round underboob.", ">\n\nI disagree completely. Tell the girl with under boob and the girl with normal cleavage to jump up and down and notice who slips out first.", ">\n\nThe answer would be me. I'd slip out first.", ">\n\nwhere does side-boob fall in the pantheon of breast visibility? asking for science.", ">\n\nOver < Side < Under." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nUnderboob implies the possibility of gravity making it full boob", ">\n\nYeah, underboob carries a much higher risk of loss of containment.", ">\n\nand then you get a warp core breach.", ">\n\nStop it, you're overloading my PPS conduits", ">\n\nSounds like someone needs to scrub their plasma manifolds", ">\n\nLet me know if Dax is available", ">\n\nKurzon?", ">\n\nNo, I blame him for Jadzia's death lol", ">\n\nJadzia dies!?", ">\n\nDepends on your definition of \"dies\"", ">\n\nit defines the actual shape of the breast. \nAlso, it’s less common to see. Calves used to be risqué at one time.", ">\n\nYeah baby, show us that ankle\n-Victorian Era bros probably", ">\n\nFun fact: table \"legs\" were deemed potentially too arousing, hence the development of the table skirt.\nVictorian's were fucking weird.", ">\n\nI demand boobs on furniture.", ">\n\nboobs, and a whole lot more", ">\n\nNow that just makes it seem like the victorians were actually justified.", ">\n\nImagine having that hidden under a table skirt in Victorian England.", ">\n\noooh the scandal!", ">\n\nGene Roddenberry once said that when designing costumes for the original Star Trek back in the late 1960s, network censors allowed some top cleavage but forbade - to use your term - “under-boob cleavage.”", ">\n\nInteresting! This is a fascinating confirmation of my hunch.", ">\n\nI have been diagnosed with dementia.", ">\n\nYou know damn well that this is a common bug on reddit.", ">\n\nPerhaps he forgot", ">\n\nTrue. Also, \nGitHub.com/MOABdali/MegaCheckers", ">\n\nThis will make a fine addition to my collection", ">\n\nThis was from before I became a \"professional coder\". I'm a bit better now, so I've begun working on the game from scratch now, utilizing less spaghetti code.", ">\n\ngotta love the underboob. the sight of it is guaranteed to improve your day.", ">\n\nUnless you're at Walmart, and they're hanging over a belt", ">\n\nUnderboobs often comes with a visible tummy. \nIt's a great combo.", ">\n\nThere a sub for that? Asking for me.", ">\n\nThere is definitely an underboob subreddit.", ">\n\nThere are at least two.", ">\n\nAnd my axe!", ">\n\nHow many times have you seen someone's tits fall out a normal cleavage? Coz I haven't? But have you ever seen a girl with an underboob shirt lift her arms? Tits come flying out", ">\n\nOnce. I've seen tits explode out of cleavage, (not on purpose) once. It was my great aunt. She was 76.", ">\n\nI'm so sorry/happy for you that you had to witness this", ">\n\nwhy are you happy bro damn he said she was his 76yo great aunt tf", ">\n\nHey, I said sorry/happy. No clue what he's into", ">\n\nFunny shit", ">\n\nUnder is closer to the nipple so I feel that makes it more risqué.", ">\n\nNot when you’re 40", ">\n\noh yea gimme some of that granny underboob.\nShe's showing underboob cleavage, but its a normal XL shirt", ">\n\nGranny? At 40?", ">\n\nImagine you have a kid at 20. And that kid has a kid at 20. How old are?\nNow have you ever met anyone that had a kid BEFORE 20?... I bet you have.", ">\n\nI know it’s technically possible to be a granny at 40. The vast majority of 40 year olds are not grandmothers however. I’m 40, husband is 43, our kids are 6.", ">\n\nLol well I'm about to hit 37. I know what you're saying. I'm just saying. Lots of grandparents across the globe are our age.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage basically shows that it’s not a bra doing the work and they really ARE that perky/voluminous. Plus lol it’s seen less so is just that more hot.", ">\n\nYeah I was going to say, they actually don’t always show the same thing. Cleavage can show many things, but often times it’s “what they look like while supported and pushed slightly together. Cleavage view vs natural can often be quite different. \nBut under boob cleavage, by very nature of no bra, a “is what you see is what you get” type deal.", ">\n\nIt does, under boob makes me far hornier than regular cleavage", ">\n\nSame, side boob and top boob are regular everyday occurrences. They have become somewhat played out. You can go to a church and you may see some top boob.\nUnder boob is a treat. An occasion. Something special", ">\n\nSide boob is my favorite boob", ">\n\nSide boob when classy. Under boob when casual. This is the scientific formula.", ">\n\nSide, under, top are all OK to be seen these days. My conclusion is ladies who want to show off should just put some pasties on and be done it.", ">\n\nYeah, agreed. Culturally, we’ve created a fetish out of boobs by forcing them to be concealed. It’s a feedback loop… they’re sexualized because they’re hidden, and they’re hidden because they’re sexualized. Gotta break the cycle.", ">\n\nLOL yeah tell that to thousands of years of evolution. They aren't sexualized because they're hidden. But I agree with your overall point.", ">\n\nHave you been to a nude beach, or just a beach outside of America? It becomes normalized very quickly and is nothing more fascinating than a leg. Just like legs can be well formed and attractive, so can boobs, but I don’t believe they are inherently more sexual than other parts of the body we don’t consider provocative.\nI’m surprised you bring up evolution when we can look to modern day tribes where the women are topless and it’s a non-event. Any time you prohibit something, that thing becomes more exciting. If you’re on a diet and not allowed to eat sugar, your first bite of cake in a year will be damn near orgasmic. Cake every day is boring. We love the forbidden and the taboo because we are novelty seekers.", ">\n\nI agree with you to the most part. \nBut i do think there is an evolutionairy element, due to them beeing the deciding factor if a woman will be able to nurture younglings. Sexualisation of them makes no sense in this context, BUT since it is a specific female body-trait, it will remind the male brain to fullfill his destiny", ">\n\nwhat abt lesbians then ? Are they “male brained” because they find tits attractive ?", ">\n\nThey’re usually a little more gradually sloping at the top, allowing for a bit more plausible deniability of exactly where they start. At the bottom it’s bam.", ">\n\nUnder boob and no bra… oh my gawd. What a time to be alive man.", ">\n\nIt’s not necessarily more risqué, but it certainly is more risky. One sudden movement and it’s over 😭", ">\n\nbut u r less like to accidentally flash someone if u just have upper boob cleavage rather than lower", ">\n\nThis is called Australian cleavage.\nBecause it is from down unda", ">\n\nWhat...you totally left out side-boob exposure? Now I'll have to go for a shower myself and give this topic some serious thought.", ">\n\nUnderboob usually means the entire torso is exposed while regular cleavage is just a few inches of chest and neck.", ">\n\nProbably just normalization. Top-of-boob is extremely common whereas bottom-of-boob is more difficulty and so more rare.", ">\n\nI think because it feels FAR less secure than “top cleavage”. Like one upward moving breeze and you’re fucked", ">\n\nHeh", ">\n\nTo show underboob, you’ve got to have your belly out too, no?", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear. Same amount if skin, but one is scandalous for people. Logic.", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear is more about the situation, not the amout of skin showing", ">\n\nAlso they wildly different type of fabric.\nIt's not much different than wearing a speedo becomes wildly less acceptable the further from water you get", ">\n\nMan, freshman year of highschool I took biology. My lab partner was this sophmore hippy chick. more often than not she wore crop tops with no bra. She would stretch by raising her arms way over her head like a dozen times per class and the underboob was glorious. good times.", ">\n\nUmmm missed signs / opportunity?", ">\n\nIt's been too many years to remember to be honest, but I think she had a boyfriend with a car and that was way too intimidating for 14 year old me. \n🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nYou typically only see the bottom of the boob when you can see the entire boob, so that's why I think it's so much more alluring. Way less common to see without also seeing a nipple.", ">\n\nUnderboob cleavage is like dogs watching you eat food waiting for you to drop some. Regular cleavage is dogs seeing food on the counter and knowing they're not allowed up there.", ">\n\nUnder-boob is 1 abrupt movement away from full titties. Normal cleavage needs a full handstand for that.", ">\n\nany woman can look good with top cleavage. only a special few can pull off bottom cleavage", ">\n\nA few? Oh, friend.\nThere are over 350,000 plumbers represented by the United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipefitting Industry of US and Canada!", ">\n\nThey are absolutely NOT the same. Underboob any day. Im also partial to side-tit", ">\n\nUnderboob is more provocative imo.. depending on the occasion it can br very sexy.", ">\n\nIdk man I can get a lot more boob details from under boob. You can kinda tell the size of the boobs from traditional cleavage. But under boob gives so much more info. Are they perky? Do they hang nicely? Are they centered or off to the sides? Are the nipples huge? All of these questions are answered.", ">\n\nI hate Anton levay, but he calls this The Law of the Forbidden.", ">\n\nIf we all wear knee and elbow pads. In a few 100 years or less even. Knees and elbows will become an aphrodisiac. \nSomething to take into account. We want what we can’t have. \nThis is my big argument on drug addiction and that most of addiction stems from the scarcity of drug supply. It’s not like Starbucks where you can get your CNS most times of the day and if Starbucks is close, gas stations got the back up for you CNS.", ">\n\nThere's a complete lack of appreciation for the under-boob in modern society.", ">\n\nUnderboob means no bra which drives our animalistic instincts, normal cleavage can be the result of a push up bra", ">\n\nI think it's hotter look & more realistic for every shape & size to look flattering. Love underboob. 🤙", ">\n\nI only read one mention of side boob.. with side boob, under boob, and cleavage I almost have a complete picture.", ">\n\nYou just reminded me of Channon's nipple window outfit in Transmetropolitan.", ">\n\nUnderboob is the only case of potential energy working in practice", ">\n\nWe don't see underboob on a daily basis, so it's the excitement of different even though it's not that different.", ">\n\nI love underboon. As others have pointed out, it's a less common sight, so it's more of a treat.", ">\n\nKinda like side boob", ">\n\nDon't even get me started on the occasional nipple sighting.", ">\n\nThe answer is gravity. More likely for them to fall out and be completely exposed.", ">\n\nOne has crumbs the other gets sweaty. Both are salty I guess", ">\n\nUnderboob is much more risqué, because then you’ll see my undernipple.", ">\n\nThis is like saying wine in a box is the same as wine in a bottle.", ">\n\nLet’s face it. Most guys are from the dark ages. They’re caveman. They like a woman to be showing her cleavage and under boob cleavage. But for me, a woman looks best when she is just absolutely naked.", ">\n\nI assume it's because of gravity.\nUnderboob has the rounded look that's in right now. The fake boob perky look.\nTop cleavage can with a good bra but gravity guarantees that nice round underboob.", ">\n\nI disagree completely. Tell the girl with under boob and the girl with normal cleavage to jump up and down and notice who slips out first.", ">\n\nThe answer would be me. I'd slip out first.", ">\n\nwhere does side-boob fall in the pantheon of breast visibility? asking for science.", ">\n\nOver < Side < Under.", ">\n\nUnderboob is just more honest, you know there’s no lies and deception there" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nUnderboob implies the possibility of gravity making it full boob", ">\n\nYeah, underboob carries a much higher risk of loss of containment.", ">\n\nand then you get a warp core breach.", ">\n\nStop it, you're overloading my PPS conduits", ">\n\nSounds like someone needs to scrub their plasma manifolds", ">\n\nLet me know if Dax is available", ">\n\nKurzon?", ">\n\nNo, I blame him for Jadzia's death lol", ">\n\nJadzia dies!?", ">\n\nDepends on your definition of \"dies\"", ">\n\nit defines the actual shape of the breast. \nAlso, it’s less common to see. Calves used to be risqué at one time.", ">\n\nYeah baby, show us that ankle\n-Victorian Era bros probably", ">\n\nFun fact: table \"legs\" were deemed potentially too arousing, hence the development of the table skirt.\nVictorian's were fucking weird.", ">\n\nI demand boobs on furniture.", ">\n\nboobs, and a whole lot more", ">\n\nNow that just makes it seem like the victorians were actually justified.", ">\n\nImagine having that hidden under a table skirt in Victorian England.", ">\n\noooh the scandal!", ">\n\nGene Roddenberry once said that when designing costumes for the original Star Trek back in the late 1960s, network censors allowed some top cleavage but forbade - to use your term - “under-boob cleavage.”", ">\n\nInteresting! This is a fascinating confirmation of my hunch.", ">\n\nI have been diagnosed with dementia.", ">\n\nYou know damn well that this is a common bug on reddit.", ">\n\nPerhaps he forgot", ">\n\nTrue. Also, \nGitHub.com/MOABdali/MegaCheckers", ">\n\nThis will make a fine addition to my collection", ">\n\nThis was from before I became a \"professional coder\". I'm a bit better now, so I've begun working on the game from scratch now, utilizing less spaghetti code.", ">\n\ngotta love the underboob. the sight of it is guaranteed to improve your day.", ">\n\nUnless you're at Walmart, and they're hanging over a belt", ">\n\nUnderboobs often comes with a visible tummy. \nIt's a great combo.", ">\n\nThere a sub for that? Asking for me.", ">\n\nThere is definitely an underboob subreddit.", ">\n\nThere are at least two.", ">\n\nAnd my axe!", ">\n\nHow many times have you seen someone's tits fall out a normal cleavage? Coz I haven't? But have you ever seen a girl with an underboob shirt lift her arms? Tits come flying out", ">\n\nOnce. I've seen tits explode out of cleavage, (not on purpose) once. It was my great aunt. She was 76.", ">\n\nI'm so sorry/happy for you that you had to witness this", ">\n\nwhy are you happy bro damn he said she was his 76yo great aunt tf", ">\n\nHey, I said sorry/happy. No clue what he's into", ">\n\nFunny shit", ">\n\nUnder is closer to the nipple so I feel that makes it more risqué.", ">\n\nNot when you’re 40", ">\n\noh yea gimme some of that granny underboob.\nShe's showing underboob cleavage, but its a normal XL shirt", ">\n\nGranny? At 40?", ">\n\nImagine you have a kid at 20. And that kid has a kid at 20. How old are?\nNow have you ever met anyone that had a kid BEFORE 20?... I bet you have.", ">\n\nI know it’s technically possible to be a granny at 40. The vast majority of 40 year olds are not grandmothers however. I’m 40, husband is 43, our kids are 6.", ">\n\nLol well I'm about to hit 37. I know what you're saying. I'm just saying. Lots of grandparents across the globe are our age.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage basically shows that it’s not a bra doing the work and they really ARE that perky/voluminous. Plus lol it’s seen less so is just that more hot.", ">\n\nYeah I was going to say, they actually don’t always show the same thing. Cleavage can show many things, but often times it’s “what they look like while supported and pushed slightly together. Cleavage view vs natural can often be quite different. \nBut under boob cleavage, by very nature of no bra, a “is what you see is what you get” type deal.", ">\n\nIt does, under boob makes me far hornier than regular cleavage", ">\n\nSame, side boob and top boob are regular everyday occurrences. They have become somewhat played out. You can go to a church and you may see some top boob.\nUnder boob is a treat. An occasion. Something special", ">\n\nSide boob is my favorite boob", ">\n\nSide boob when classy. Under boob when casual. This is the scientific formula.", ">\n\nSide, under, top are all OK to be seen these days. My conclusion is ladies who want to show off should just put some pasties on and be done it.", ">\n\nYeah, agreed. Culturally, we’ve created a fetish out of boobs by forcing them to be concealed. It’s a feedback loop… they’re sexualized because they’re hidden, and they’re hidden because they’re sexualized. Gotta break the cycle.", ">\n\nLOL yeah tell that to thousands of years of evolution. They aren't sexualized because they're hidden. But I agree with your overall point.", ">\n\nHave you been to a nude beach, or just a beach outside of America? It becomes normalized very quickly and is nothing more fascinating than a leg. Just like legs can be well formed and attractive, so can boobs, but I don’t believe they are inherently more sexual than other parts of the body we don’t consider provocative.\nI’m surprised you bring up evolution when we can look to modern day tribes where the women are topless and it’s a non-event. Any time you prohibit something, that thing becomes more exciting. If you’re on a diet and not allowed to eat sugar, your first bite of cake in a year will be damn near orgasmic. Cake every day is boring. We love the forbidden and the taboo because we are novelty seekers.", ">\n\nI agree with you to the most part. \nBut i do think there is an evolutionairy element, due to them beeing the deciding factor if a woman will be able to nurture younglings. Sexualisation of them makes no sense in this context, BUT since it is a specific female body-trait, it will remind the male brain to fullfill his destiny", ">\n\nwhat abt lesbians then ? Are they “male brained” because they find tits attractive ?", ">\n\nThey’re usually a little more gradually sloping at the top, allowing for a bit more plausible deniability of exactly where they start. At the bottom it’s bam.", ">\n\nUnder boob and no bra… oh my gawd. What a time to be alive man.", ">\n\nIt’s not necessarily more risqué, but it certainly is more risky. One sudden movement and it’s over 😭", ">\n\nbut u r less like to accidentally flash someone if u just have upper boob cleavage rather than lower", ">\n\nThis is called Australian cleavage.\nBecause it is from down unda", ">\n\nWhat...you totally left out side-boob exposure? Now I'll have to go for a shower myself and give this topic some serious thought.", ">\n\nUnderboob usually means the entire torso is exposed while regular cleavage is just a few inches of chest and neck.", ">\n\nProbably just normalization. Top-of-boob is extremely common whereas bottom-of-boob is more difficulty and so more rare.", ">\n\nI think because it feels FAR less secure than “top cleavage”. Like one upward moving breeze and you’re fucked", ">\n\nHeh", ">\n\nTo show underboob, you’ve got to have your belly out too, no?", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear. Same amount if skin, but one is scandalous for people. Logic.", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear is more about the situation, not the amout of skin showing", ">\n\nAlso they wildly different type of fabric.\nIt's not much different than wearing a speedo becomes wildly less acceptable the further from water you get", ">\n\nMan, freshman year of highschool I took biology. My lab partner was this sophmore hippy chick. more often than not she wore crop tops with no bra. She would stretch by raising her arms way over her head like a dozen times per class and the underboob was glorious. good times.", ">\n\nUmmm missed signs / opportunity?", ">\n\nIt's been too many years to remember to be honest, but I think she had a boyfriend with a car and that was way too intimidating for 14 year old me. \n🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nYou typically only see the bottom of the boob when you can see the entire boob, so that's why I think it's so much more alluring. Way less common to see without also seeing a nipple.", ">\n\nUnderboob cleavage is like dogs watching you eat food waiting for you to drop some. Regular cleavage is dogs seeing food on the counter and knowing they're not allowed up there.", ">\n\nUnder-boob is 1 abrupt movement away from full titties. Normal cleavage needs a full handstand for that.", ">\n\nany woman can look good with top cleavage. only a special few can pull off bottom cleavage", ">\n\nA few? Oh, friend.\nThere are over 350,000 plumbers represented by the United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipefitting Industry of US and Canada!", ">\n\nThey are absolutely NOT the same. Underboob any day. Im also partial to side-tit", ">\n\nUnderboob is more provocative imo.. depending on the occasion it can br very sexy.", ">\n\nIdk man I can get a lot more boob details from under boob. You can kinda tell the size of the boobs from traditional cleavage. But under boob gives so much more info. Are they perky? Do they hang nicely? Are they centered or off to the sides? Are the nipples huge? All of these questions are answered.", ">\n\nI hate Anton levay, but he calls this The Law of the Forbidden.", ">\n\nIf we all wear knee and elbow pads. In a few 100 years or less even. Knees and elbows will become an aphrodisiac. \nSomething to take into account. We want what we can’t have. \nThis is my big argument on drug addiction and that most of addiction stems from the scarcity of drug supply. It’s not like Starbucks where you can get your CNS most times of the day and if Starbucks is close, gas stations got the back up for you CNS.", ">\n\nThere's a complete lack of appreciation for the under-boob in modern society.", ">\n\nUnderboob means no bra which drives our animalistic instincts, normal cleavage can be the result of a push up bra", ">\n\nI think it's hotter look & more realistic for every shape & size to look flattering. Love underboob. 🤙", ">\n\nI only read one mention of side boob.. with side boob, under boob, and cleavage I almost have a complete picture.", ">\n\nYou just reminded me of Channon's nipple window outfit in Transmetropolitan.", ">\n\nUnderboob is the only case of potential energy working in practice", ">\n\nWe don't see underboob on a daily basis, so it's the excitement of different even though it's not that different.", ">\n\nI love underboon. As others have pointed out, it's a less common sight, so it's more of a treat.", ">\n\nKinda like side boob", ">\n\nDon't even get me started on the occasional nipple sighting.", ">\n\nThe answer is gravity. More likely for them to fall out and be completely exposed.", ">\n\nOne has crumbs the other gets sweaty. Both are salty I guess", ">\n\nUnderboob is much more risqué, because then you’ll see my undernipple.", ">\n\nThis is like saying wine in a box is the same as wine in a bottle.", ">\n\nLet’s face it. Most guys are from the dark ages. They’re caveman. They like a woman to be showing her cleavage and under boob cleavage. But for me, a woman looks best when she is just absolutely naked.", ">\n\nI assume it's because of gravity.\nUnderboob has the rounded look that's in right now. The fake boob perky look.\nTop cleavage can with a good bra but gravity guarantees that nice round underboob.", ">\n\nI disagree completely. Tell the girl with under boob and the girl with normal cleavage to jump up and down and notice who slips out first.", ">\n\nThe answer would be me. I'd slip out first.", ">\n\nwhere does side-boob fall in the pantheon of breast visibility? asking for science.", ">\n\nOver < Side < Under.", ">\n\nUnderboob is just more honest, you know there’s no lies and deception there", ">\n\nOkay, I’m a woman and I do not know what what under-boob cleavage is 😂Someone please explain! My assumption is that it is cleavage that is some how developed from wearing like a tube top or something? Am I right? Lol" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nUnderboob implies the possibility of gravity making it full boob", ">\n\nYeah, underboob carries a much higher risk of loss of containment.", ">\n\nand then you get a warp core breach.", ">\n\nStop it, you're overloading my PPS conduits", ">\n\nSounds like someone needs to scrub their plasma manifolds", ">\n\nLet me know if Dax is available", ">\n\nKurzon?", ">\n\nNo, I blame him for Jadzia's death lol", ">\n\nJadzia dies!?", ">\n\nDepends on your definition of \"dies\"", ">\n\nit defines the actual shape of the breast. \nAlso, it’s less common to see. Calves used to be risqué at one time.", ">\n\nYeah baby, show us that ankle\n-Victorian Era bros probably", ">\n\nFun fact: table \"legs\" were deemed potentially too arousing, hence the development of the table skirt.\nVictorian's were fucking weird.", ">\n\nI demand boobs on furniture.", ">\n\nboobs, and a whole lot more", ">\n\nNow that just makes it seem like the victorians were actually justified.", ">\n\nImagine having that hidden under a table skirt in Victorian England.", ">\n\noooh the scandal!", ">\n\nGene Roddenberry once said that when designing costumes for the original Star Trek back in the late 1960s, network censors allowed some top cleavage but forbade - to use your term - “under-boob cleavage.”", ">\n\nInteresting! This is a fascinating confirmation of my hunch.", ">\n\nI have been diagnosed with dementia.", ">\n\nYou know damn well that this is a common bug on reddit.", ">\n\nPerhaps he forgot", ">\n\nTrue. Also, \nGitHub.com/MOABdali/MegaCheckers", ">\n\nThis will make a fine addition to my collection", ">\n\nThis was from before I became a \"professional coder\". I'm a bit better now, so I've begun working on the game from scratch now, utilizing less spaghetti code.", ">\n\ngotta love the underboob. the sight of it is guaranteed to improve your day.", ">\n\nUnless you're at Walmart, and they're hanging over a belt", ">\n\nUnderboobs often comes with a visible tummy. \nIt's a great combo.", ">\n\nThere a sub for that? Asking for me.", ">\n\nThere is definitely an underboob subreddit.", ">\n\nThere are at least two.", ">\n\nAnd my axe!", ">\n\nHow many times have you seen someone's tits fall out a normal cleavage? Coz I haven't? But have you ever seen a girl with an underboob shirt lift her arms? Tits come flying out", ">\n\nOnce. I've seen tits explode out of cleavage, (not on purpose) once. It was my great aunt. She was 76.", ">\n\nI'm so sorry/happy for you that you had to witness this", ">\n\nwhy are you happy bro damn he said she was his 76yo great aunt tf", ">\n\nHey, I said sorry/happy. No clue what he's into", ">\n\nFunny shit", ">\n\nUnder is closer to the nipple so I feel that makes it more risqué.", ">\n\nNot when you’re 40", ">\n\noh yea gimme some of that granny underboob.\nShe's showing underboob cleavage, but its a normal XL shirt", ">\n\nGranny? At 40?", ">\n\nImagine you have a kid at 20. And that kid has a kid at 20. How old are?\nNow have you ever met anyone that had a kid BEFORE 20?... I bet you have.", ">\n\nI know it’s technically possible to be a granny at 40. The vast majority of 40 year olds are not grandmothers however. I’m 40, husband is 43, our kids are 6.", ">\n\nLol well I'm about to hit 37. I know what you're saying. I'm just saying. Lots of grandparents across the globe are our age.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage basically shows that it’s not a bra doing the work and they really ARE that perky/voluminous. Plus lol it’s seen less so is just that more hot.", ">\n\nYeah I was going to say, they actually don’t always show the same thing. Cleavage can show many things, but often times it’s “what they look like while supported and pushed slightly together. Cleavage view vs natural can often be quite different. \nBut under boob cleavage, by very nature of no bra, a “is what you see is what you get” type deal.", ">\n\nIt does, under boob makes me far hornier than regular cleavage", ">\n\nSame, side boob and top boob are regular everyday occurrences. They have become somewhat played out. You can go to a church and you may see some top boob.\nUnder boob is a treat. An occasion. Something special", ">\n\nSide boob is my favorite boob", ">\n\nSide boob when classy. Under boob when casual. This is the scientific formula.", ">\n\nSide, under, top are all OK to be seen these days. My conclusion is ladies who want to show off should just put some pasties on and be done it.", ">\n\nYeah, agreed. Culturally, we’ve created a fetish out of boobs by forcing them to be concealed. It’s a feedback loop… they’re sexualized because they’re hidden, and they’re hidden because they’re sexualized. Gotta break the cycle.", ">\n\nLOL yeah tell that to thousands of years of evolution. They aren't sexualized because they're hidden. But I agree with your overall point.", ">\n\nHave you been to a nude beach, or just a beach outside of America? It becomes normalized very quickly and is nothing more fascinating than a leg. Just like legs can be well formed and attractive, so can boobs, but I don’t believe they are inherently more sexual than other parts of the body we don’t consider provocative.\nI’m surprised you bring up evolution when we can look to modern day tribes where the women are topless and it’s a non-event. Any time you prohibit something, that thing becomes more exciting. If you’re on a diet and not allowed to eat sugar, your first bite of cake in a year will be damn near orgasmic. Cake every day is boring. We love the forbidden and the taboo because we are novelty seekers.", ">\n\nI agree with you to the most part. \nBut i do think there is an evolutionairy element, due to them beeing the deciding factor if a woman will be able to nurture younglings. Sexualisation of them makes no sense in this context, BUT since it is a specific female body-trait, it will remind the male brain to fullfill his destiny", ">\n\nwhat abt lesbians then ? Are they “male brained” because they find tits attractive ?", ">\n\nThey’re usually a little more gradually sloping at the top, allowing for a bit more plausible deniability of exactly where they start. At the bottom it’s bam.", ">\n\nUnder boob and no bra… oh my gawd. What a time to be alive man.", ">\n\nIt’s not necessarily more risqué, but it certainly is more risky. One sudden movement and it’s over 😭", ">\n\nbut u r less like to accidentally flash someone if u just have upper boob cleavage rather than lower", ">\n\nThis is called Australian cleavage.\nBecause it is from down unda", ">\n\nWhat...you totally left out side-boob exposure? Now I'll have to go for a shower myself and give this topic some serious thought.", ">\n\nUnderboob usually means the entire torso is exposed while regular cleavage is just a few inches of chest and neck.", ">\n\nProbably just normalization. Top-of-boob is extremely common whereas bottom-of-boob is more difficulty and so more rare.", ">\n\nI think because it feels FAR less secure than “top cleavage”. Like one upward moving breeze and you’re fucked", ">\n\nHeh", ">\n\nTo show underboob, you’ve got to have your belly out too, no?", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear. Same amount if skin, but one is scandalous for people. Logic.", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear is more about the situation, not the amout of skin showing", ">\n\nAlso they wildly different type of fabric.\nIt's not much different than wearing a speedo becomes wildly less acceptable the further from water you get", ">\n\nMan, freshman year of highschool I took biology. My lab partner was this sophmore hippy chick. more often than not she wore crop tops with no bra. She would stretch by raising her arms way over her head like a dozen times per class and the underboob was glorious. good times.", ">\n\nUmmm missed signs / opportunity?", ">\n\nIt's been too many years to remember to be honest, but I think she had a boyfriend with a car and that was way too intimidating for 14 year old me. \n🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nYou typically only see the bottom of the boob when you can see the entire boob, so that's why I think it's so much more alluring. Way less common to see without also seeing a nipple.", ">\n\nUnderboob cleavage is like dogs watching you eat food waiting for you to drop some. Regular cleavage is dogs seeing food on the counter and knowing they're not allowed up there.", ">\n\nUnder-boob is 1 abrupt movement away from full titties. Normal cleavage needs a full handstand for that.", ">\n\nany woman can look good with top cleavage. only a special few can pull off bottom cleavage", ">\n\nA few? Oh, friend.\nThere are over 350,000 plumbers represented by the United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipefitting Industry of US and Canada!", ">\n\nThey are absolutely NOT the same. Underboob any day. Im also partial to side-tit", ">\n\nUnderboob is more provocative imo.. depending on the occasion it can br very sexy.", ">\n\nIdk man I can get a lot more boob details from under boob. You can kinda tell the size of the boobs from traditional cleavage. But under boob gives so much more info. Are they perky? Do they hang nicely? Are they centered or off to the sides? Are the nipples huge? All of these questions are answered.", ">\n\nI hate Anton levay, but he calls this The Law of the Forbidden.", ">\n\nIf we all wear knee and elbow pads. In a few 100 years or less even. Knees and elbows will become an aphrodisiac. \nSomething to take into account. We want what we can’t have. \nThis is my big argument on drug addiction and that most of addiction stems from the scarcity of drug supply. It’s not like Starbucks where you can get your CNS most times of the day and if Starbucks is close, gas stations got the back up for you CNS.", ">\n\nThere's a complete lack of appreciation for the under-boob in modern society.", ">\n\nUnderboob means no bra which drives our animalistic instincts, normal cleavage can be the result of a push up bra", ">\n\nI think it's hotter look & more realistic for every shape & size to look flattering. Love underboob. 🤙", ">\n\nI only read one mention of side boob.. with side boob, under boob, and cleavage I almost have a complete picture.", ">\n\nYou just reminded me of Channon's nipple window outfit in Transmetropolitan.", ">\n\nUnderboob is the only case of potential energy working in practice", ">\n\nWe don't see underboob on a daily basis, so it's the excitement of different even though it's not that different.", ">\n\nI love underboon. As others have pointed out, it's a less common sight, so it's more of a treat.", ">\n\nKinda like side boob", ">\n\nDon't even get me started on the occasional nipple sighting.", ">\n\nThe answer is gravity. More likely for them to fall out and be completely exposed.", ">\n\nOne has crumbs the other gets sweaty. Both are salty I guess", ">\n\nUnderboob is much more risqué, because then you’ll see my undernipple.", ">\n\nThis is like saying wine in a box is the same as wine in a bottle.", ">\n\nLet’s face it. Most guys are from the dark ages. They’re caveman. They like a woman to be showing her cleavage and under boob cleavage. But for me, a woman looks best when she is just absolutely naked.", ">\n\nI assume it's because of gravity.\nUnderboob has the rounded look that's in right now. The fake boob perky look.\nTop cleavage can with a good bra but gravity guarantees that nice round underboob.", ">\n\nI disagree completely. Tell the girl with under boob and the girl with normal cleavage to jump up and down and notice who slips out first.", ">\n\nThe answer would be me. I'd slip out first.", ">\n\nwhere does side-boob fall in the pantheon of breast visibility? asking for science.", ">\n\nOver < Side < Under.", ">\n\nUnderboob is just more honest, you know there’s no lies and deception there", ">\n\nOkay, I’m a woman and I do not know what what under-boob cleavage is 😂Someone please explain! My assumption is that it is cleavage that is some how developed from wearing like a tube top or something? Am I right? Lol", ">\n\nWhenever I see underboob cleavage all I can think about is boob sweat…😝maybe that’s because “underboob” is the armpit of the boobs…" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nUnderboob implies the possibility of gravity making it full boob", ">\n\nYeah, underboob carries a much higher risk of loss of containment.", ">\n\nand then you get a warp core breach.", ">\n\nStop it, you're overloading my PPS conduits", ">\n\nSounds like someone needs to scrub their plasma manifolds", ">\n\nLet me know if Dax is available", ">\n\nKurzon?", ">\n\nNo, I blame him for Jadzia's death lol", ">\n\nJadzia dies!?", ">\n\nDepends on your definition of \"dies\"", ">\n\nit defines the actual shape of the breast. \nAlso, it’s less common to see. Calves used to be risqué at one time.", ">\n\nYeah baby, show us that ankle\n-Victorian Era bros probably", ">\n\nFun fact: table \"legs\" were deemed potentially too arousing, hence the development of the table skirt.\nVictorian's were fucking weird.", ">\n\nI demand boobs on furniture.", ">\n\nboobs, and a whole lot more", ">\n\nNow that just makes it seem like the victorians were actually justified.", ">\n\nImagine having that hidden under a table skirt in Victorian England.", ">\n\noooh the scandal!", ">\n\nGene Roddenberry once said that when designing costumes for the original Star Trek back in the late 1960s, network censors allowed some top cleavage but forbade - to use your term - “under-boob cleavage.”", ">\n\nInteresting! This is a fascinating confirmation of my hunch.", ">\n\nI have been diagnosed with dementia.", ">\n\nYou know damn well that this is a common bug on reddit.", ">\n\nPerhaps he forgot", ">\n\nTrue. Also, \nGitHub.com/MOABdali/MegaCheckers", ">\n\nThis will make a fine addition to my collection", ">\n\nThis was from before I became a \"professional coder\". I'm a bit better now, so I've begun working on the game from scratch now, utilizing less spaghetti code.", ">\n\ngotta love the underboob. the sight of it is guaranteed to improve your day.", ">\n\nUnless you're at Walmart, and they're hanging over a belt", ">\n\nUnderboobs often comes with a visible tummy. \nIt's a great combo.", ">\n\nThere a sub for that? Asking for me.", ">\n\nThere is definitely an underboob subreddit.", ">\n\nThere are at least two.", ">\n\nAnd my axe!", ">\n\nHow many times have you seen someone's tits fall out a normal cleavage? Coz I haven't? But have you ever seen a girl with an underboob shirt lift her arms? Tits come flying out", ">\n\nOnce. I've seen tits explode out of cleavage, (not on purpose) once. It was my great aunt. She was 76.", ">\n\nI'm so sorry/happy for you that you had to witness this", ">\n\nwhy are you happy bro damn he said she was his 76yo great aunt tf", ">\n\nHey, I said sorry/happy. No clue what he's into", ">\n\nFunny shit", ">\n\nUnder is closer to the nipple so I feel that makes it more risqué.", ">\n\nNot when you’re 40", ">\n\noh yea gimme some of that granny underboob.\nShe's showing underboob cleavage, but its a normal XL shirt", ">\n\nGranny? At 40?", ">\n\nImagine you have a kid at 20. And that kid has a kid at 20. How old are?\nNow have you ever met anyone that had a kid BEFORE 20?... I bet you have.", ">\n\nI know it’s technically possible to be a granny at 40. The vast majority of 40 year olds are not grandmothers however. I’m 40, husband is 43, our kids are 6.", ">\n\nLol well I'm about to hit 37. I know what you're saying. I'm just saying. Lots of grandparents across the globe are our age.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage basically shows that it’s not a bra doing the work and they really ARE that perky/voluminous. Plus lol it’s seen less so is just that more hot.", ">\n\nYeah I was going to say, they actually don’t always show the same thing. Cleavage can show many things, but often times it’s “what they look like while supported and pushed slightly together. Cleavage view vs natural can often be quite different. \nBut under boob cleavage, by very nature of no bra, a “is what you see is what you get” type deal.", ">\n\nIt does, under boob makes me far hornier than regular cleavage", ">\n\nSame, side boob and top boob are regular everyday occurrences. They have become somewhat played out. You can go to a church and you may see some top boob.\nUnder boob is a treat. An occasion. Something special", ">\n\nSide boob is my favorite boob", ">\n\nSide boob when classy. Under boob when casual. This is the scientific formula.", ">\n\nSide, under, top are all OK to be seen these days. My conclusion is ladies who want to show off should just put some pasties on and be done it.", ">\n\nYeah, agreed. Culturally, we’ve created a fetish out of boobs by forcing them to be concealed. It’s a feedback loop… they’re sexualized because they’re hidden, and they’re hidden because they’re sexualized. Gotta break the cycle.", ">\n\nLOL yeah tell that to thousands of years of evolution. They aren't sexualized because they're hidden. But I agree with your overall point.", ">\n\nHave you been to a nude beach, or just a beach outside of America? It becomes normalized very quickly and is nothing more fascinating than a leg. Just like legs can be well formed and attractive, so can boobs, but I don’t believe they are inherently more sexual than other parts of the body we don’t consider provocative.\nI’m surprised you bring up evolution when we can look to modern day tribes where the women are topless and it’s a non-event. Any time you prohibit something, that thing becomes more exciting. If you’re on a diet and not allowed to eat sugar, your first bite of cake in a year will be damn near orgasmic. Cake every day is boring. We love the forbidden and the taboo because we are novelty seekers.", ">\n\nI agree with you to the most part. \nBut i do think there is an evolutionairy element, due to them beeing the deciding factor if a woman will be able to nurture younglings. Sexualisation of them makes no sense in this context, BUT since it is a specific female body-trait, it will remind the male brain to fullfill his destiny", ">\n\nwhat abt lesbians then ? Are they “male brained” because they find tits attractive ?", ">\n\nThey’re usually a little more gradually sloping at the top, allowing for a bit more plausible deniability of exactly where they start. At the bottom it’s bam.", ">\n\nUnder boob and no bra… oh my gawd. What a time to be alive man.", ">\n\nIt’s not necessarily more risqué, but it certainly is more risky. One sudden movement and it’s over 😭", ">\n\nbut u r less like to accidentally flash someone if u just have upper boob cleavage rather than lower", ">\n\nThis is called Australian cleavage.\nBecause it is from down unda", ">\n\nWhat...you totally left out side-boob exposure? Now I'll have to go for a shower myself and give this topic some serious thought.", ">\n\nUnderboob usually means the entire torso is exposed while regular cleavage is just a few inches of chest and neck.", ">\n\nProbably just normalization. Top-of-boob is extremely common whereas bottom-of-boob is more difficulty and so more rare.", ">\n\nI think because it feels FAR less secure than “top cleavage”. Like one upward moving breeze and you’re fucked", ">\n\nHeh", ">\n\nTo show underboob, you’ve got to have your belly out too, no?", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear. Same amount if skin, but one is scandalous for people. Logic.", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear is more about the situation, not the amout of skin showing", ">\n\nAlso they wildly different type of fabric.\nIt's not much different than wearing a speedo becomes wildly less acceptable the further from water you get", ">\n\nMan, freshman year of highschool I took biology. My lab partner was this sophmore hippy chick. more often than not she wore crop tops with no bra. She would stretch by raising her arms way over her head like a dozen times per class and the underboob was glorious. good times.", ">\n\nUmmm missed signs / opportunity?", ">\n\nIt's been too many years to remember to be honest, but I think she had a boyfriend with a car and that was way too intimidating for 14 year old me. \n🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nYou typically only see the bottom of the boob when you can see the entire boob, so that's why I think it's so much more alluring. Way less common to see without also seeing a nipple.", ">\n\nUnderboob cleavage is like dogs watching you eat food waiting for you to drop some. Regular cleavage is dogs seeing food on the counter and knowing they're not allowed up there.", ">\n\nUnder-boob is 1 abrupt movement away from full titties. Normal cleavage needs a full handstand for that.", ">\n\nany woman can look good with top cleavage. only a special few can pull off bottom cleavage", ">\n\nA few? Oh, friend.\nThere are over 350,000 plumbers represented by the United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipefitting Industry of US and Canada!", ">\n\nThey are absolutely NOT the same. Underboob any day. Im also partial to side-tit", ">\n\nUnderboob is more provocative imo.. depending on the occasion it can br very sexy.", ">\n\nIdk man I can get a lot more boob details from under boob. You can kinda tell the size of the boobs from traditional cleavage. But under boob gives so much more info. Are they perky? Do they hang nicely? Are they centered or off to the sides? Are the nipples huge? All of these questions are answered.", ">\n\nI hate Anton levay, but he calls this The Law of the Forbidden.", ">\n\nIf we all wear knee and elbow pads. In a few 100 years or less even. Knees and elbows will become an aphrodisiac. \nSomething to take into account. We want what we can’t have. \nThis is my big argument on drug addiction and that most of addiction stems from the scarcity of drug supply. It’s not like Starbucks where you can get your CNS most times of the day and if Starbucks is close, gas stations got the back up for you CNS.", ">\n\nThere's a complete lack of appreciation for the under-boob in modern society.", ">\n\nUnderboob means no bra which drives our animalistic instincts, normal cleavage can be the result of a push up bra", ">\n\nI think it's hotter look & more realistic for every shape & size to look flattering. Love underboob. 🤙", ">\n\nI only read one mention of side boob.. with side boob, under boob, and cleavage I almost have a complete picture.", ">\n\nYou just reminded me of Channon's nipple window outfit in Transmetropolitan.", ">\n\nUnderboob is the only case of potential energy working in practice", ">\n\nWe don't see underboob on a daily basis, so it's the excitement of different even though it's not that different.", ">\n\nI love underboon. As others have pointed out, it's a less common sight, so it's more of a treat.", ">\n\nKinda like side boob", ">\n\nDon't even get me started on the occasional nipple sighting.", ">\n\nThe answer is gravity. More likely for them to fall out and be completely exposed.", ">\n\nOne has crumbs the other gets sweaty. Both are salty I guess", ">\n\nUnderboob is much more risqué, because then you’ll see my undernipple.", ">\n\nThis is like saying wine in a box is the same as wine in a bottle.", ">\n\nLet’s face it. Most guys are from the dark ages. They’re caveman. They like a woman to be showing her cleavage and under boob cleavage. But for me, a woman looks best when she is just absolutely naked.", ">\n\nI assume it's because of gravity.\nUnderboob has the rounded look that's in right now. The fake boob perky look.\nTop cleavage can with a good bra but gravity guarantees that nice round underboob.", ">\n\nI disagree completely. Tell the girl with under boob and the girl with normal cleavage to jump up and down and notice who slips out first.", ">\n\nThe answer would be me. I'd slip out first.", ">\n\nwhere does side-boob fall in the pantheon of breast visibility? asking for science.", ">\n\nOver < Side < Under.", ">\n\nUnderboob is just more honest, you know there’s no lies and deception there", ">\n\nOkay, I’m a woman and I do not know what what under-boob cleavage is 😂Someone please explain! My assumption is that it is cleavage that is some how developed from wearing like a tube top or something? Am I right? Lol", ">\n\nWhenever I see underboob cleavage all I can think about is boob sweat…😝maybe that’s because “underboob” is the armpit of the boobs…", ">\n\nYou're missing the side boob. Essentially the same thing essentially." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nUnderboob implies the possibility of gravity making it full boob", ">\n\nYeah, underboob carries a much higher risk of loss of containment.", ">\n\nand then you get a warp core breach.", ">\n\nStop it, you're overloading my PPS conduits", ">\n\nSounds like someone needs to scrub their plasma manifolds", ">\n\nLet me know if Dax is available", ">\n\nKurzon?", ">\n\nNo, I blame him for Jadzia's death lol", ">\n\nJadzia dies!?", ">\n\nDepends on your definition of \"dies\"", ">\n\nit defines the actual shape of the breast. \nAlso, it’s less common to see. Calves used to be risqué at one time.", ">\n\nYeah baby, show us that ankle\n-Victorian Era bros probably", ">\n\nFun fact: table \"legs\" were deemed potentially too arousing, hence the development of the table skirt.\nVictorian's were fucking weird.", ">\n\nI demand boobs on furniture.", ">\n\nboobs, and a whole lot more", ">\n\nNow that just makes it seem like the victorians were actually justified.", ">\n\nImagine having that hidden under a table skirt in Victorian England.", ">\n\noooh the scandal!", ">\n\nGene Roddenberry once said that when designing costumes for the original Star Trek back in the late 1960s, network censors allowed some top cleavage but forbade - to use your term - “under-boob cleavage.”", ">\n\nInteresting! This is a fascinating confirmation of my hunch.", ">\n\nI have been diagnosed with dementia.", ">\n\nYou know damn well that this is a common bug on reddit.", ">\n\nPerhaps he forgot", ">\n\nTrue. Also, \nGitHub.com/MOABdali/MegaCheckers", ">\n\nThis will make a fine addition to my collection", ">\n\nThis was from before I became a \"professional coder\". I'm a bit better now, so I've begun working on the game from scratch now, utilizing less spaghetti code.", ">\n\ngotta love the underboob. the sight of it is guaranteed to improve your day.", ">\n\nUnless you're at Walmart, and they're hanging over a belt", ">\n\nUnderboobs often comes with a visible tummy. \nIt's a great combo.", ">\n\nThere a sub for that? Asking for me.", ">\n\nThere is definitely an underboob subreddit.", ">\n\nThere are at least two.", ">\n\nAnd my axe!", ">\n\nHow many times have you seen someone's tits fall out a normal cleavage? Coz I haven't? But have you ever seen a girl with an underboob shirt lift her arms? Tits come flying out", ">\n\nOnce. I've seen tits explode out of cleavage, (not on purpose) once. It was my great aunt. She was 76.", ">\n\nI'm so sorry/happy for you that you had to witness this", ">\n\nwhy are you happy bro damn he said she was his 76yo great aunt tf", ">\n\nHey, I said sorry/happy. No clue what he's into", ">\n\nFunny shit", ">\n\nUnder is closer to the nipple so I feel that makes it more risqué.", ">\n\nNot when you’re 40", ">\n\noh yea gimme some of that granny underboob.\nShe's showing underboob cleavage, but its a normal XL shirt", ">\n\nGranny? At 40?", ">\n\nImagine you have a kid at 20. And that kid has a kid at 20. How old are?\nNow have you ever met anyone that had a kid BEFORE 20?... I bet you have.", ">\n\nI know it’s technically possible to be a granny at 40. The vast majority of 40 year olds are not grandmothers however. I’m 40, husband is 43, our kids are 6.", ">\n\nLol well I'm about to hit 37. I know what you're saying. I'm just saying. Lots of grandparents across the globe are our age.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage basically shows that it’s not a bra doing the work and they really ARE that perky/voluminous. Plus lol it’s seen less so is just that more hot.", ">\n\nYeah I was going to say, they actually don’t always show the same thing. Cleavage can show many things, but often times it’s “what they look like while supported and pushed slightly together. Cleavage view vs natural can often be quite different. \nBut under boob cleavage, by very nature of no bra, a “is what you see is what you get” type deal.", ">\n\nIt does, under boob makes me far hornier than regular cleavage", ">\n\nSame, side boob and top boob are regular everyday occurrences. They have become somewhat played out. You can go to a church and you may see some top boob.\nUnder boob is a treat. An occasion. Something special", ">\n\nSide boob is my favorite boob", ">\n\nSide boob when classy. Under boob when casual. This is the scientific formula.", ">\n\nSide, under, top are all OK to be seen these days. My conclusion is ladies who want to show off should just put some pasties on and be done it.", ">\n\nYeah, agreed. Culturally, we’ve created a fetish out of boobs by forcing them to be concealed. It’s a feedback loop… they’re sexualized because they’re hidden, and they’re hidden because they’re sexualized. Gotta break the cycle.", ">\n\nLOL yeah tell that to thousands of years of evolution. They aren't sexualized because they're hidden. But I agree with your overall point.", ">\n\nHave you been to a nude beach, or just a beach outside of America? It becomes normalized very quickly and is nothing more fascinating than a leg. Just like legs can be well formed and attractive, so can boobs, but I don’t believe they are inherently more sexual than other parts of the body we don’t consider provocative.\nI’m surprised you bring up evolution when we can look to modern day tribes where the women are topless and it’s a non-event. Any time you prohibit something, that thing becomes more exciting. If you’re on a diet and not allowed to eat sugar, your first bite of cake in a year will be damn near orgasmic. Cake every day is boring. We love the forbidden and the taboo because we are novelty seekers.", ">\n\nI agree with you to the most part. \nBut i do think there is an evolutionairy element, due to them beeing the deciding factor if a woman will be able to nurture younglings. Sexualisation of them makes no sense in this context, BUT since it is a specific female body-trait, it will remind the male brain to fullfill his destiny", ">\n\nwhat abt lesbians then ? Are they “male brained” because they find tits attractive ?", ">\n\nThey’re usually a little more gradually sloping at the top, allowing for a bit more plausible deniability of exactly where they start. At the bottom it’s bam.", ">\n\nUnder boob and no bra… oh my gawd. What a time to be alive man.", ">\n\nIt’s not necessarily more risqué, but it certainly is more risky. One sudden movement and it’s over 😭", ">\n\nbut u r less like to accidentally flash someone if u just have upper boob cleavage rather than lower", ">\n\nThis is called Australian cleavage.\nBecause it is from down unda", ">\n\nWhat...you totally left out side-boob exposure? Now I'll have to go for a shower myself and give this topic some serious thought.", ">\n\nUnderboob usually means the entire torso is exposed while regular cleavage is just a few inches of chest and neck.", ">\n\nProbably just normalization. Top-of-boob is extremely common whereas bottom-of-boob is more difficulty and so more rare.", ">\n\nI think because it feels FAR less secure than “top cleavage”. Like one upward moving breeze and you’re fucked", ">\n\nHeh", ">\n\nTo show underboob, you’ve got to have your belly out too, no?", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear. Same amount if skin, but one is scandalous for people. Logic.", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear is more about the situation, not the amout of skin showing", ">\n\nAlso they wildly different type of fabric.\nIt's not much different than wearing a speedo becomes wildly less acceptable the further from water you get", ">\n\nMan, freshman year of highschool I took biology. My lab partner was this sophmore hippy chick. more often than not she wore crop tops with no bra. She would stretch by raising her arms way over her head like a dozen times per class and the underboob was glorious. good times.", ">\n\nUmmm missed signs / opportunity?", ">\n\nIt's been too many years to remember to be honest, but I think she had a boyfriend with a car and that was way too intimidating for 14 year old me. \n🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nYou typically only see the bottom of the boob when you can see the entire boob, so that's why I think it's so much more alluring. Way less common to see without also seeing a nipple.", ">\n\nUnderboob cleavage is like dogs watching you eat food waiting for you to drop some. Regular cleavage is dogs seeing food on the counter and knowing they're not allowed up there.", ">\n\nUnder-boob is 1 abrupt movement away from full titties. Normal cleavage needs a full handstand for that.", ">\n\nany woman can look good with top cleavage. only a special few can pull off bottom cleavage", ">\n\nA few? Oh, friend.\nThere are over 350,000 plumbers represented by the United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipefitting Industry of US and Canada!", ">\n\nThey are absolutely NOT the same. Underboob any day. Im also partial to side-tit", ">\n\nUnderboob is more provocative imo.. depending on the occasion it can br very sexy.", ">\n\nIdk man I can get a lot more boob details from under boob. You can kinda tell the size of the boobs from traditional cleavage. But under boob gives so much more info. Are they perky? Do they hang nicely? Are they centered or off to the sides? Are the nipples huge? All of these questions are answered.", ">\n\nI hate Anton levay, but he calls this The Law of the Forbidden.", ">\n\nIf we all wear knee and elbow pads. In a few 100 years or less even. Knees and elbows will become an aphrodisiac. \nSomething to take into account. We want what we can’t have. \nThis is my big argument on drug addiction and that most of addiction stems from the scarcity of drug supply. It’s not like Starbucks where you can get your CNS most times of the day and if Starbucks is close, gas stations got the back up for you CNS.", ">\n\nThere's a complete lack of appreciation for the under-boob in modern society.", ">\n\nUnderboob means no bra which drives our animalistic instincts, normal cleavage can be the result of a push up bra", ">\n\nI think it's hotter look & more realistic for every shape & size to look flattering. Love underboob. 🤙", ">\n\nI only read one mention of side boob.. with side boob, under boob, and cleavage I almost have a complete picture.", ">\n\nYou just reminded me of Channon's nipple window outfit in Transmetropolitan.", ">\n\nUnderboob is the only case of potential energy working in practice", ">\n\nWe don't see underboob on a daily basis, so it's the excitement of different even though it's not that different.", ">\n\nI love underboon. As others have pointed out, it's a less common sight, so it's more of a treat.", ">\n\nKinda like side boob", ">\n\nDon't even get me started on the occasional nipple sighting.", ">\n\nThe answer is gravity. More likely for them to fall out and be completely exposed.", ">\n\nOne has crumbs the other gets sweaty. Both are salty I guess", ">\n\nUnderboob is much more risqué, because then you’ll see my undernipple.", ">\n\nThis is like saying wine in a box is the same as wine in a bottle.", ">\n\nLet’s face it. Most guys are from the dark ages. They’re caveman. They like a woman to be showing her cleavage and under boob cleavage. But for me, a woman looks best when she is just absolutely naked.", ">\n\nI assume it's because of gravity.\nUnderboob has the rounded look that's in right now. The fake boob perky look.\nTop cleavage can with a good bra but gravity guarantees that nice round underboob.", ">\n\nI disagree completely. Tell the girl with under boob and the girl with normal cleavage to jump up and down and notice who slips out first.", ">\n\nThe answer would be me. I'd slip out first.", ">\n\nwhere does side-boob fall in the pantheon of breast visibility? asking for science.", ">\n\nOver < Side < Under.", ">\n\nUnderboob is just more honest, you know there’s no lies and deception there", ">\n\nOkay, I’m a woman and I do not know what what under-boob cleavage is 😂Someone please explain! My assumption is that it is cleavage that is some how developed from wearing like a tube top or something? Am I right? Lol", ">\n\nWhenever I see underboob cleavage all I can think about is boob sweat…😝maybe that’s because “underboob” is the armpit of the boobs…", ">\n\nYou're missing the side boob. Essentially the same thing essentially.", ">\n\nCall me crazy, but as I guy, I prefer underboob more so than the whole boob. And this is primarily when having sex...It just turns me on that much more." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nUnderboob implies the possibility of gravity making it full boob", ">\n\nYeah, underboob carries a much higher risk of loss of containment.", ">\n\nand then you get a warp core breach.", ">\n\nStop it, you're overloading my PPS conduits", ">\n\nSounds like someone needs to scrub their plasma manifolds", ">\n\nLet me know if Dax is available", ">\n\nKurzon?", ">\n\nNo, I blame him for Jadzia's death lol", ">\n\nJadzia dies!?", ">\n\nDepends on your definition of \"dies\"", ">\n\nit defines the actual shape of the breast. \nAlso, it’s less common to see. Calves used to be risqué at one time.", ">\n\nYeah baby, show us that ankle\n-Victorian Era bros probably", ">\n\nFun fact: table \"legs\" were deemed potentially too arousing, hence the development of the table skirt.\nVictorian's were fucking weird.", ">\n\nI demand boobs on furniture.", ">\n\nboobs, and a whole lot more", ">\n\nNow that just makes it seem like the victorians were actually justified.", ">\n\nImagine having that hidden under a table skirt in Victorian England.", ">\n\noooh the scandal!", ">\n\nGene Roddenberry once said that when designing costumes for the original Star Trek back in the late 1960s, network censors allowed some top cleavage but forbade - to use your term - “under-boob cleavage.”", ">\n\nInteresting! This is a fascinating confirmation of my hunch.", ">\n\nI have been diagnosed with dementia.", ">\n\nYou know damn well that this is a common bug on reddit.", ">\n\nPerhaps he forgot", ">\n\nTrue. Also, \nGitHub.com/MOABdali/MegaCheckers", ">\n\nThis will make a fine addition to my collection", ">\n\nThis was from before I became a \"professional coder\". I'm a bit better now, so I've begun working on the game from scratch now, utilizing less spaghetti code.", ">\n\ngotta love the underboob. the sight of it is guaranteed to improve your day.", ">\n\nUnless you're at Walmart, and they're hanging over a belt", ">\n\nUnderboobs often comes with a visible tummy. \nIt's a great combo.", ">\n\nThere a sub for that? Asking for me.", ">\n\nThere is definitely an underboob subreddit.", ">\n\nThere are at least two.", ">\n\nAnd my axe!", ">\n\nHow many times have you seen someone's tits fall out a normal cleavage? Coz I haven't? But have you ever seen a girl with an underboob shirt lift her arms? Tits come flying out", ">\n\nOnce. I've seen tits explode out of cleavage, (not on purpose) once. It was my great aunt. She was 76.", ">\n\nI'm so sorry/happy for you that you had to witness this", ">\n\nwhy are you happy bro damn he said she was his 76yo great aunt tf", ">\n\nHey, I said sorry/happy. No clue what he's into", ">\n\nFunny shit", ">\n\nUnder is closer to the nipple so I feel that makes it more risqué.", ">\n\nNot when you’re 40", ">\n\noh yea gimme some of that granny underboob.\nShe's showing underboob cleavage, but its a normal XL shirt", ">\n\nGranny? At 40?", ">\n\nImagine you have a kid at 20. And that kid has a kid at 20. How old are?\nNow have you ever met anyone that had a kid BEFORE 20?... I bet you have.", ">\n\nI know it’s technically possible to be a granny at 40. The vast majority of 40 year olds are not grandmothers however. I’m 40, husband is 43, our kids are 6.", ">\n\nLol well I'm about to hit 37. I know what you're saying. I'm just saying. Lots of grandparents across the globe are our age.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage basically shows that it’s not a bra doing the work and they really ARE that perky/voluminous. Plus lol it’s seen less so is just that more hot.", ">\n\nYeah I was going to say, they actually don’t always show the same thing. Cleavage can show many things, but often times it’s “what they look like while supported and pushed slightly together. Cleavage view vs natural can often be quite different. \nBut under boob cleavage, by very nature of no bra, a “is what you see is what you get” type deal.", ">\n\nIt does, under boob makes me far hornier than regular cleavage", ">\n\nSame, side boob and top boob are regular everyday occurrences. They have become somewhat played out. You can go to a church and you may see some top boob.\nUnder boob is a treat. An occasion. Something special", ">\n\nSide boob is my favorite boob", ">\n\nSide boob when classy. Under boob when casual. This is the scientific formula.", ">\n\nSide, under, top are all OK to be seen these days. My conclusion is ladies who want to show off should just put some pasties on and be done it.", ">\n\nYeah, agreed. Culturally, we’ve created a fetish out of boobs by forcing them to be concealed. It’s a feedback loop… they’re sexualized because they’re hidden, and they’re hidden because they’re sexualized. Gotta break the cycle.", ">\n\nLOL yeah tell that to thousands of years of evolution. They aren't sexualized because they're hidden. But I agree with your overall point.", ">\n\nHave you been to a nude beach, or just a beach outside of America? It becomes normalized very quickly and is nothing more fascinating than a leg. Just like legs can be well formed and attractive, so can boobs, but I don’t believe they are inherently more sexual than other parts of the body we don’t consider provocative.\nI’m surprised you bring up evolution when we can look to modern day tribes where the women are topless and it’s a non-event. Any time you prohibit something, that thing becomes more exciting. If you’re on a diet and not allowed to eat sugar, your first bite of cake in a year will be damn near orgasmic. Cake every day is boring. We love the forbidden and the taboo because we are novelty seekers.", ">\n\nI agree with you to the most part. \nBut i do think there is an evolutionairy element, due to them beeing the deciding factor if a woman will be able to nurture younglings. Sexualisation of them makes no sense in this context, BUT since it is a specific female body-trait, it will remind the male brain to fullfill his destiny", ">\n\nwhat abt lesbians then ? Are they “male brained” because they find tits attractive ?", ">\n\nThey’re usually a little more gradually sloping at the top, allowing for a bit more plausible deniability of exactly where they start. At the bottom it’s bam.", ">\n\nUnder boob and no bra… oh my gawd. What a time to be alive man.", ">\n\nIt’s not necessarily more risqué, but it certainly is more risky. One sudden movement and it’s over 😭", ">\n\nbut u r less like to accidentally flash someone if u just have upper boob cleavage rather than lower", ">\n\nThis is called Australian cleavage.\nBecause it is from down unda", ">\n\nWhat...you totally left out side-boob exposure? Now I'll have to go for a shower myself and give this topic some serious thought.", ">\n\nUnderboob usually means the entire torso is exposed while regular cleavage is just a few inches of chest and neck.", ">\n\nProbably just normalization. Top-of-boob is extremely common whereas bottom-of-boob is more difficulty and so more rare.", ">\n\nI think because it feels FAR less secure than “top cleavage”. Like one upward moving breeze and you’re fucked", ">\n\nHeh", ">\n\nTo show underboob, you’ve got to have your belly out too, no?", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear. Same amount if skin, but one is scandalous for people. Logic.", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear is more about the situation, not the amout of skin showing", ">\n\nAlso they wildly different type of fabric.\nIt's not much different than wearing a speedo becomes wildly less acceptable the further from water you get", ">\n\nMan, freshman year of highschool I took biology. My lab partner was this sophmore hippy chick. more often than not she wore crop tops with no bra. She would stretch by raising her arms way over her head like a dozen times per class and the underboob was glorious. good times.", ">\n\nUmmm missed signs / opportunity?", ">\n\nIt's been too many years to remember to be honest, but I think she had a boyfriend with a car and that was way too intimidating for 14 year old me. \n🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nYou typically only see the bottom of the boob when you can see the entire boob, so that's why I think it's so much more alluring. Way less common to see without also seeing a nipple.", ">\n\nUnderboob cleavage is like dogs watching you eat food waiting for you to drop some. Regular cleavage is dogs seeing food on the counter and knowing they're not allowed up there.", ">\n\nUnder-boob is 1 abrupt movement away from full titties. Normal cleavage needs a full handstand for that.", ">\n\nany woman can look good with top cleavage. only a special few can pull off bottom cleavage", ">\n\nA few? Oh, friend.\nThere are over 350,000 plumbers represented by the United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipefitting Industry of US and Canada!", ">\n\nThey are absolutely NOT the same. Underboob any day. Im also partial to side-tit", ">\n\nUnderboob is more provocative imo.. depending on the occasion it can br very sexy.", ">\n\nIdk man I can get a lot more boob details from under boob. You can kinda tell the size of the boobs from traditional cleavage. But under boob gives so much more info. Are they perky? Do they hang nicely? Are they centered or off to the sides? Are the nipples huge? All of these questions are answered.", ">\n\nI hate Anton levay, but he calls this The Law of the Forbidden.", ">\n\nIf we all wear knee and elbow pads. In a few 100 years or less even. Knees and elbows will become an aphrodisiac. \nSomething to take into account. We want what we can’t have. \nThis is my big argument on drug addiction and that most of addiction stems from the scarcity of drug supply. It’s not like Starbucks where you can get your CNS most times of the day and if Starbucks is close, gas stations got the back up for you CNS.", ">\n\nThere's a complete lack of appreciation for the under-boob in modern society.", ">\n\nUnderboob means no bra which drives our animalistic instincts, normal cleavage can be the result of a push up bra", ">\n\nI think it's hotter look & more realistic for every shape & size to look flattering. Love underboob. 🤙", ">\n\nI only read one mention of side boob.. with side boob, under boob, and cleavage I almost have a complete picture.", ">\n\nYou just reminded me of Channon's nipple window outfit in Transmetropolitan.", ">\n\nUnderboob is the only case of potential energy working in practice", ">\n\nWe don't see underboob on a daily basis, so it's the excitement of different even though it's not that different.", ">\n\nI love underboon. As others have pointed out, it's a less common sight, so it's more of a treat.", ">\n\nKinda like side boob", ">\n\nDon't even get me started on the occasional nipple sighting.", ">\n\nThe answer is gravity. More likely for them to fall out and be completely exposed.", ">\n\nOne has crumbs the other gets sweaty. Both are salty I guess", ">\n\nUnderboob is much more risqué, because then you’ll see my undernipple.", ">\n\nThis is like saying wine in a box is the same as wine in a bottle.", ">\n\nLet’s face it. Most guys are from the dark ages. They’re caveman. They like a woman to be showing her cleavage and under boob cleavage. But for me, a woman looks best when she is just absolutely naked.", ">\n\nI assume it's because of gravity.\nUnderboob has the rounded look that's in right now. The fake boob perky look.\nTop cleavage can with a good bra but gravity guarantees that nice round underboob.", ">\n\nI disagree completely. Tell the girl with under boob and the girl with normal cleavage to jump up and down and notice who slips out first.", ">\n\nThe answer would be me. I'd slip out first.", ">\n\nwhere does side-boob fall in the pantheon of breast visibility? asking for science.", ">\n\nOver < Side < Under.", ">\n\nUnderboob is just more honest, you know there’s no lies and deception there", ">\n\nOkay, I’m a woman and I do not know what what under-boob cleavage is 😂Someone please explain! My assumption is that it is cleavage that is some how developed from wearing like a tube top or something? Am I right? Lol", ">\n\nWhenever I see underboob cleavage all I can think about is boob sweat…😝maybe that’s because “underboob” is the armpit of the boobs…", ">\n\nYou're missing the side boob. Essentially the same thing essentially.", ">\n\nCall me crazy, but as I guy, I prefer underboob more so than the whole boob. And this is primarily when having sex...It just turns me on that much more.", ">\n\nDo you have an example? I’m a little unclear on the point are making." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nUnderboob implies the possibility of gravity making it full boob", ">\n\nYeah, underboob carries a much higher risk of loss of containment.", ">\n\nand then you get a warp core breach.", ">\n\nStop it, you're overloading my PPS conduits", ">\n\nSounds like someone needs to scrub their plasma manifolds", ">\n\nLet me know if Dax is available", ">\n\nKurzon?", ">\n\nNo, I blame him for Jadzia's death lol", ">\n\nJadzia dies!?", ">\n\nDepends on your definition of \"dies\"", ">\n\nit defines the actual shape of the breast. \nAlso, it’s less common to see. Calves used to be risqué at one time.", ">\n\nYeah baby, show us that ankle\n-Victorian Era bros probably", ">\n\nFun fact: table \"legs\" were deemed potentially too arousing, hence the development of the table skirt.\nVictorian's were fucking weird.", ">\n\nI demand boobs on furniture.", ">\n\nboobs, and a whole lot more", ">\n\nNow that just makes it seem like the victorians were actually justified.", ">\n\nImagine having that hidden under a table skirt in Victorian England.", ">\n\noooh the scandal!", ">\n\nGene Roddenberry once said that when designing costumes for the original Star Trek back in the late 1960s, network censors allowed some top cleavage but forbade - to use your term - “under-boob cleavage.”", ">\n\nInteresting! This is a fascinating confirmation of my hunch.", ">\n\nI have been diagnosed with dementia.", ">\n\nYou know damn well that this is a common bug on reddit.", ">\n\nPerhaps he forgot", ">\n\nTrue. Also, \nGitHub.com/MOABdali/MegaCheckers", ">\n\nThis will make a fine addition to my collection", ">\n\nThis was from before I became a \"professional coder\". I'm a bit better now, so I've begun working on the game from scratch now, utilizing less spaghetti code.", ">\n\ngotta love the underboob. the sight of it is guaranteed to improve your day.", ">\n\nUnless you're at Walmart, and they're hanging over a belt", ">\n\nUnderboobs often comes with a visible tummy. \nIt's a great combo.", ">\n\nThere a sub for that? Asking for me.", ">\n\nThere is definitely an underboob subreddit.", ">\n\nThere are at least two.", ">\n\nAnd my axe!", ">\n\nHow many times have you seen someone's tits fall out a normal cleavage? Coz I haven't? But have you ever seen a girl with an underboob shirt lift her arms? Tits come flying out", ">\n\nOnce. I've seen tits explode out of cleavage, (not on purpose) once. It was my great aunt. She was 76.", ">\n\nI'm so sorry/happy for you that you had to witness this", ">\n\nwhy are you happy bro damn he said she was his 76yo great aunt tf", ">\n\nHey, I said sorry/happy. No clue what he's into", ">\n\nFunny shit", ">\n\nUnder is closer to the nipple so I feel that makes it more risqué.", ">\n\nNot when you’re 40", ">\n\noh yea gimme some of that granny underboob.\nShe's showing underboob cleavage, but its a normal XL shirt", ">\n\nGranny? At 40?", ">\n\nImagine you have a kid at 20. And that kid has a kid at 20. How old are?\nNow have you ever met anyone that had a kid BEFORE 20?... I bet you have.", ">\n\nI know it’s technically possible to be a granny at 40. The vast majority of 40 year olds are not grandmothers however. I’m 40, husband is 43, our kids are 6.", ">\n\nLol well I'm about to hit 37. I know what you're saying. I'm just saying. Lots of grandparents across the globe are our age.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage basically shows that it’s not a bra doing the work and they really ARE that perky/voluminous. Plus lol it’s seen less so is just that more hot.", ">\n\nYeah I was going to say, they actually don’t always show the same thing. Cleavage can show many things, but often times it’s “what they look like while supported and pushed slightly together. Cleavage view vs natural can often be quite different. \nBut under boob cleavage, by very nature of no bra, a “is what you see is what you get” type deal.", ">\n\nIt does, under boob makes me far hornier than regular cleavage", ">\n\nSame, side boob and top boob are regular everyday occurrences. They have become somewhat played out. You can go to a church and you may see some top boob.\nUnder boob is a treat. An occasion. Something special", ">\n\nSide boob is my favorite boob", ">\n\nSide boob when classy. Under boob when casual. This is the scientific formula.", ">\n\nSide, under, top are all OK to be seen these days. My conclusion is ladies who want to show off should just put some pasties on and be done it.", ">\n\nYeah, agreed. Culturally, we’ve created a fetish out of boobs by forcing them to be concealed. It’s a feedback loop… they’re sexualized because they’re hidden, and they’re hidden because they’re sexualized. Gotta break the cycle.", ">\n\nLOL yeah tell that to thousands of years of evolution. They aren't sexualized because they're hidden. But I agree with your overall point.", ">\n\nHave you been to a nude beach, or just a beach outside of America? It becomes normalized very quickly and is nothing more fascinating than a leg. Just like legs can be well formed and attractive, so can boobs, but I don’t believe they are inherently more sexual than other parts of the body we don’t consider provocative.\nI’m surprised you bring up evolution when we can look to modern day tribes where the women are topless and it’s a non-event. Any time you prohibit something, that thing becomes more exciting. If you’re on a diet and not allowed to eat sugar, your first bite of cake in a year will be damn near orgasmic. Cake every day is boring. We love the forbidden and the taboo because we are novelty seekers.", ">\n\nI agree with you to the most part. \nBut i do think there is an evolutionairy element, due to them beeing the deciding factor if a woman will be able to nurture younglings. Sexualisation of them makes no sense in this context, BUT since it is a specific female body-trait, it will remind the male brain to fullfill his destiny", ">\n\nwhat abt lesbians then ? Are they “male brained” because they find tits attractive ?", ">\n\nThey’re usually a little more gradually sloping at the top, allowing for a bit more plausible deniability of exactly where they start. At the bottom it’s bam.", ">\n\nUnder boob and no bra… oh my gawd. What a time to be alive man.", ">\n\nIt’s not necessarily more risqué, but it certainly is more risky. One sudden movement and it’s over 😭", ">\n\nbut u r less like to accidentally flash someone if u just have upper boob cleavage rather than lower", ">\n\nThis is called Australian cleavage.\nBecause it is from down unda", ">\n\nWhat...you totally left out side-boob exposure? Now I'll have to go for a shower myself and give this topic some serious thought.", ">\n\nUnderboob usually means the entire torso is exposed while regular cleavage is just a few inches of chest and neck.", ">\n\nProbably just normalization. Top-of-boob is extremely common whereas bottom-of-boob is more difficulty and so more rare.", ">\n\nI think because it feels FAR less secure than “top cleavage”. Like one upward moving breeze and you’re fucked", ">\n\nHeh", ">\n\nTo show underboob, you’ve got to have your belly out too, no?", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear. Same amount if skin, but one is scandalous for people. Logic.", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear is more about the situation, not the amout of skin showing", ">\n\nAlso they wildly different type of fabric.\nIt's not much different than wearing a speedo becomes wildly less acceptable the further from water you get", ">\n\nMan, freshman year of highschool I took biology. My lab partner was this sophmore hippy chick. more often than not she wore crop tops with no bra. She would stretch by raising her arms way over her head like a dozen times per class and the underboob was glorious. good times.", ">\n\nUmmm missed signs / opportunity?", ">\n\nIt's been too many years to remember to be honest, but I think she had a boyfriend with a car and that was way too intimidating for 14 year old me. \n🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nYou typically only see the bottom of the boob when you can see the entire boob, so that's why I think it's so much more alluring. Way less common to see without also seeing a nipple.", ">\n\nUnderboob cleavage is like dogs watching you eat food waiting for you to drop some. Regular cleavage is dogs seeing food on the counter and knowing they're not allowed up there.", ">\n\nUnder-boob is 1 abrupt movement away from full titties. Normal cleavage needs a full handstand for that.", ">\n\nany woman can look good with top cleavage. only a special few can pull off bottom cleavage", ">\n\nA few? Oh, friend.\nThere are over 350,000 plumbers represented by the United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipefitting Industry of US and Canada!", ">\n\nThey are absolutely NOT the same. Underboob any day. Im also partial to side-tit", ">\n\nUnderboob is more provocative imo.. depending on the occasion it can br very sexy.", ">\n\nIdk man I can get a lot more boob details from under boob. You can kinda tell the size of the boobs from traditional cleavage. But under boob gives so much more info. Are they perky? Do they hang nicely? Are they centered or off to the sides? Are the nipples huge? All of these questions are answered.", ">\n\nI hate Anton levay, but he calls this The Law of the Forbidden.", ">\n\nIf we all wear knee and elbow pads. In a few 100 years or less even. Knees and elbows will become an aphrodisiac. \nSomething to take into account. We want what we can’t have. \nThis is my big argument on drug addiction and that most of addiction stems from the scarcity of drug supply. It’s not like Starbucks where you can get your CNS most times of the day and if Starbucks is close, gas stations got the back up for you CNS.", ">\n\nThere's a complete lack of appreciation for the under-boob in modern society.", ">\n\nUnderboob means no bra which drives our animalistic instincts, normal cleavage can be the result of a push up bra", ">\n\nI think it's hotter look & more realistic for every shape & size to look flattering. Love underboob. 🤙", ">\n\nI only read one mention of side boob.. with side boob, under boob, and cleavage I almost have a complete picture.", ">\n\nYou just reminded me of Channon's nipple window outfit in Transmetropolitan.", ">\n\nUnderboob is the only case of potential energy working in practice", ">\n\nWe don't see underboob on a daily basis, so it's the excitement of different even though it's not that different.", ">\n\nI love underboon. As others have pointed out, it's a less common sight, so it's more of a treat.", ">\n\nKinda like side boob", ">\n\nDon't even get me started on the occasional nipple sighting.", ">\n\nThe answer is gravity. More likely for them to fall out and be completely exposed.", ">\n\nOne has crumbs the other gets sweaty. Both are salty I guess", ">\n\nUnderboob is much more risqué, because then you’ll see my undernipple.", ">\n\nThis is like saying wine in a box is the same as wine in a bottle.", ">\n\nLet’s face it. Most guys are from the dark ages. They’re caveman. They like a woman to be showing her cleavage and under boob cleavage. But for me, a woman looks best when she is just absolutely naked.", ">\n\nI assume it's because of gravity.\nUnderboob has the rounded look that's in right now. The fake boob perky look.\nTop cleavage can with a good bra but gravity guarantees that nice round underboob.", ">\n\nI disagree completely. Tell the girl with under boob and the girl with normal cleavage to jump up and down and notice who slips out first.", ">\n\nThe answer would be me. I'd slip out first.", ">\n\nwhere does side-boob fall in the pantheon of breast visibility? asking for science.", ">\n\nOver < Side < Under.", ">\n\nUnderboob is just more honest, you know there’s no lies and deception there", ">\n\nOkay, I’m a woman and I do not know what what under-boob cleavage is 😂Someone please explain! My assumption is that it is cleavage that is some how developed from wearing like a tube top or something? Am I right? Lol", ">\n\nWhenever I see underboob cleavage all I can think about is boob sweat…😝maybe that’s because “underboob” is the armpit of the boobs…", ">\n\nYou're missing the side boob. Essentially the same thing essentially.", ">\n\nCall me crazy, but as I guy, I prefer underboob more so than the whole boob. And this is primarily when having sex...It just turns me on that much more.", ">\n\nDo you have an example? I’m a little unclear on the point are making.", ">\n\nTry telling Twitch that. Cleavage is fine but underboob gets banned." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nUnderboob implies the possibility of gravity making it full boob", ">\n\nYeah, underboob carries a much higher risk of loss of containment.", ">\n\nand then you get a warp core breach.", ">\n\nStop it, you're overloading my PPS conduits", ">\n\nSounds like someone needs to scrub their plasma manifolds", ">\n\nLet me know if Dax is available", ">\n\nKurzon?", ">\n\nNo, I blame him for Jadzia's death lol", ">\n\nJadzia dies!?", ">\n\nDepends on your definition of \"dies\"", ">\n\nit defines the actual shape of the breast. \nAlso, it’s less common to see. Calves used to be risqué at one time.", ">\n\nYeah baby, show us that ankle\n-Victorian Era bros probably", ">\n\nFun fact: table \"legs\" were deemed potentially too arousing, hence the development of the table skirt.\nVictorian's were fucking weird.", ">\n\nI demand boobs on furniture.", ">\n\nboobs, and a whole lot more", ">\n\nNow that just makes it seem like the victorians were actually justified.", ">\n\nImagine having that hidden under a table skirt in Victorian England.", ">\n\noooh the scandal!", ">\n\nGene Roddenberry once said that when designing costumes for the original Star Trek back in the late 1960s, network censors allowed some top cleavage but forbade - to use your term - “under-boob cleavage.”", ">\n\nInteresting! This is a fascinating confirmation of my hunch.", ">\n\nI have been diagnosed with dementia.", ">\n\nYou know damn well that this is a common bug on reddit.", ">\n\nPerhaps he forgot", ">\n\nTrue. Also, \nGitHub.com/MOABdali/MegaCheckers", ">\n\nThis will make a fine addition to my collection", ">\n\nThis was from before I became a \"professional coder\". I'm a bit better now, so I've begun working on the game from scratch now, utilizing less spaghetti code.", ">\n\ngotta love the underboob. the sight of it is guaranteed to improve your day.", ">\n\nUnless you're at Walmart, and they're hanging over a belt", ">\n\nUnderboobs often comes with a visible tummy. \nIt's a great combo.", ">\n\nThere a sub for that? Asking for me.", ">\n\nThere is definitely an underboob subreddit.", ">\n\nThere are at least two.", ">\n\nAnd my axe!", ">\n\nHow many times have you seen someone's tits fall out a normal cleavage? Coz I haven't? But have you ever seen a girl with an underboob shirt lift her arms? Tits come flying out", ">\n\nOnce. I've seen tits explode out of cleavage, (not on purpose) once. It was my great aunt. She was 76.", ">\n\nI'm so sorry/happy for you that you had to witness this", ">\n\nwhy are you happy bro damn he said she was his 76yo great aunt tf", ">\n\nHey, I said sorry/happy. No clue what he's into", ">\n\nFunny shit", ">\n\nUnder is closer to the nipple so I feel that makes it more risqué.", ">\n\nNot when you’re 40", ">\n\noh yea gimme some of that granny underboob.\nShe's showing underboob cleavage, but its a normal XL shirt", ">\n\nGranny? At 40?", ">\n\nImagine you have a kid at 20. And that kid has a kid at 20. How old are?\nNow have you ever met anyone that had a kid BEFORE 20?... I bet you have.", ">\n\nI know it’s technically possible to be a granny at 40. The vast majority of 40 year olds are not grandmothers however. I’m 40, husband is 43, our kids are 6.", ">\n\nLol well I'm about to hit 37. I know what you're saying. I'm just saying. Lots of grandparents across the globe are our age.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage basically shows that it’s not a bra doing the work and they really ARE that perky/voluminous. Plus lol it’s seen less so is just that more hot.", ">\n\nYeah I was going to say, they actually don’t always show the same thing. Cleavage can show many things, but often times it’s “what they look like while supported and pushed slightly together. Cleavage view vs natural can often be quite different. \nBut under boob cleavage, by very nature of no bra, a “is what you see is what you get” type deal.", ">\n\nIt does, under boob makes me far hornier than regular cleavage", ">\n\nSame, side boob and top boob are regular everyday occurrences. They have become somewhat played out. You can go to a church and you may see some top boob.\nUnder boob is a treat. An occasion. Something special", ">\n\nSide boob is my favorite boob", ">\n\nSide boob when classy. Under boob when casual. This is the scientific formula.", ">\n\nSide, under, top are all OK to be seen these days. My conclusion is ladies who want to show off should just put some pasties on and be done it.", ">\n\nYeah, agreed. Culturally, we’ve created a fetish out of boobs by forcing them to be concealed. It’s a feedback loop… they’re sexualized because they’re hidden, and they’re hidden because they’re sexualized. Gotta break the cycle.", ">\n\nLOL yeah tell that to thousands of years of evolution. They aren't sexualized because they're hidden. But I agree with your overall point.", ">\n\nHave you been to a nude beach, or just a beach outside of America? It becomes normalized very quickly and is nothing more fascinating than a leg. Just like legs can be well formed and attractive, so can boobs, but I don’t believe they are inherently more sexual than other parts of the body we don’t consider provocative.\nI’m surprised you bring up evolution when we can look to modern day tribes where the women are topless and it’s a non-event. Any time you prohibit something, that thing becomes more exciting. If you’re on a diet and not allowed to eat sugar, your first bite of cake in a year will be damn near orgasmic. Cake every day is boring. We love the forbidden and the taboo because we are novelty seekers.", ">\n\nI agree with you to the most part. \nBut i do think there is an evolutionairy element, due to them beeing the deciding factor if a woman will be able to nurture younglings. Sexualisation of them makes no sense in this context, BUT since it is a specific female body-trait, it will remind the male brain to fullfill his destiny", ">\n\nwhat abt lesbians then ? Are they “male brained” because they find tits attractive ?", ">\n\nThey’re usually a little more gradually sloping at the top, allowing for a bit more plausible deniability of exactly where they start. At the bottom it’s bam.", ">\n\nUnder boob and no bra… oh my gawd. What a time to be alive man.", ">\n\nIt’s not necessarily more risqué, but it certainly is more risky. One sudden movement and it’s over 😭", ">\n\nbut u r less like to accidentally flash someone if u just have upper boob cleavage rather than lower", ">\n\nThis is called Australian cleavage.\nBecause it is from down unda", ">\n\nWhat...you totally left out side-boob exposure? Now I'll have to go for a shower myself and give this topic some serious thought.", ">\n\nUnderboob usually means the entire torso is exposed while regular cleavage is just a few inches of chest and neck.", ">\n\nProbably just normalization. Top-of-boob is extremely common whereas bottom-of-boob is more difficulty and so more rare.", ">\n\nI think because it feels FAR less secure than “top cleavage”. Like one upward moving breeze and you’re fucked", ">\n\nHeh", ">\n\nTo show underboob, you’ve got to have your belly out too, no?", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear. Same amount if skin, but one is scandalous for people. Logic.", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear is more about the situation, not the amout of skin showing", ">\n\nAlso they wildly different type of fabric.\nIt's not much different than wearing a speedo becomes wildly less acceptable the further from water you get", ">\n\nMan, freshman year of highschool I took biology. My lab partner was this sophmore hippy chick. more often than not she wore crop tops with no bra. She would stretch by raising her arms way over her head like a dozen times per class and the underboob was glorious. good times.", ">\n\nUmmm missed signs / opportunity?", ">\n\nIt's been too many years to remember to be honest, but I think she had a boyfriend with a car and that was way too intimidating for 14 year old me. \n🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nYou typically only see the bottom of the boob when you can see the entire boob, so that's why I think it's so much more alluring. Way less common to see without also seeing a nipple.", ">\n\nUnderboob cleavage is like dogs watching you eat food waiting for you to drop some. Regular cleavage is dogs seeing food on the counter and knowing they're not allowed up there.", ">\n\nUnder-boob is 1 abrupt movement away from full titties. Normal cleavage needs a full handstand for that.", ">\n\nany woman can look good with top cleavage. only a special few can pull off bottom cleavage", ">\n\nA few? Oh, friend.\nThere are over 350,000 plumbers represented by the United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipefitting Industry of US and Canada!", ">\n\nThey are absolutely NOT the same. Underboob any day. Im also partial to side-tit", ">\n\nUnderboob is more provocative imo.. depending on the occasion it can br very sexy.", ">\n\nIdk man I can get a lot more boob details from under boob. You can kinda tell the size of the boobs from traditional cleavage. But under boob gives so much more info. Are they perky? Do they hang nicely? Are they centered or off to the sides? Are the nipples huge? All of these questions are answered.", ">\n\nI hate Anton levay, but he calls this The Law of the Forbidden.", ">\n\nIf we all wear knee and elbow pads. In a few 100 years or less even. Knees and elbows will become an aphrodisiac. \nSomething to take into account. We want what we can’t have. \nThis is my big argument on drug addiction and that most of addiction stems from the scarcity of drug supply. It’s not like Starbucks where you can get your CNS most times of the day and if Starbucks is close, gas stations got the back up for you CNS.", ">\n\nThere's a complete lack of appreciation for the under-boob in modern society.", ">\n\nUnderboob means no bra which drives our animalistic instincts, normal cleavage can be the result of a push up bra", ">\n\nI think it's hotter look & more realistic for every shape & size to look flattering. Love underboob. 🤙", ">\n\nI only read one mention of side boob.. with side boob, under boob, and cleavage I almost have a complete picture.", ">\n\nYou just reminded me of Channon's nipple window outfit in Transmetropolitan.", ">\n\nUnderboob is the only case of potential energy working in practice", ">\n\nWe don't see underboob on a daily basis, so it's the excitement of different even though it's not that different.", ">\n\nI love underboon. As others have pointed out, it's a less common sight, so it's more of a treat.", ">\n\nKinda like side boob", ">\n\nDon't even get me started on the occasional nipple sighting.", ">\n\nThe answer is gravity. More likely for them to fall out and be completely exposed.", ">\n\nOne has crumbs the other gets sweaty. Both are salty I guess", ">\n\nUnderboob is much more risqué, because then you’ll see my undernipple.", ">\n\nThis is like saying wine in a box is the same as wine in a bottle.", ">\n\nLet’s face it. Most guys are from the dark ages. They’re caveman. They like a woman to be showing her cleavage and under boob cleavage. But for me, a woman looks best when she is just absolutely naked.", ">\n\nI assume it's because of gravity.\nUnderboob has the rounded look that's in right now. The fake boob perky look.\nTop cleavage can with a good bra but gravity guarantees that nice round underboob.", ">\n\nI disagree completely. Tell the girl with under boob and the girl with normal cleavage to jump up and down and notice who slips out first.", ">\n\nThe answer would be me. I'd slip out first.", ">\n\nwhere does side-boob fall in the pantheon of breast visibility? asking for science.", ">\n\nOver < Side < Under.", ">\n\nUnderboob is just more honest, you know there’s no lies and deception there", ">\n\nOkay, I’m a woman and I do not know what what under-boob cleavage is 😂Someone please explain! My assumption is that it is cleavage that is some how developed from wearing like a tube top or something? Am I right? Lol", ">\n\nWhenever I see underboob cleavage all I can think about is boob sweat…😝maybe that’s because “underboob” is the armpit of the boobs…", ">\n\nYou're missing the side boob. Essentially the same thing essentially.", ">\n\nCall me crazy, but as I guy, I prefer underboob more so than the whole boob. And this is primarily when having sex...It just turns me on that much more.", ">\n\nDo you have an example? I’m a little unclear on the point are making.", ">\n\nTry telling Twitch that. Cleavage is fine but underboob gets banned.", ">\n\nYou are categorically seeing more skin if you are getting under boob." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nUnderboob implies the possibility of gravity making it full boob", ">\n\nYeah, underboob carries a much higher risk of loss of containment.", ">\n\nand then you get a warp core breach.", ">\n\nStop it, you're overloading my PPS conduits", ">\n\nSounds like someone needs to scrub their plasma manifolds", ">\n\nLet me know if Dax is available", ">\n\nKurzon?", ">\n\nNo, I blame him for Jadzia's death lol", ">\n\nJadzia dies!?", ">\n\nDepends on your definition of \"dies\"", ">\n\nit defines the actual shape of the breast. \nAlso, it’s less common to see. Calves used to be risqué at one time.", ">\n\nYeah baby, show us that ankle\n-Victorian Era bros probably", ">\n\nFun fact: table \"legs\" were deemed potentially too arousing, hence the development of the table skirt.\nVictorian's were fucking weird.", ">\n\nI demand boobs on furniture.", ">\n\nboobs, and a whole lot more", ">\n\nNow that just makes it seem like the victorians were actually justified.", ">\n\nImagine having that hidden under a table skirt in Victorian England.", ">\n\noooh the scandal!", ">\n\nGene Roddenberry once said that when designing costumes for the original Star Trek back in the late 1960s, network censors allowed some top cleavage but forbade - to use your term - “under-boob cleavage.”", ">\n\nInteresting! This is a fascinating confirmation of my hunch.", ">\n\nI have been diagnosed with dementia.", ">\n\nYou know damn well that this is a common bug on reddit.", ">\n\nPerhaps he forgot", ">\n\nTrue. Also, \nGitHub.com/MOABdali/MegaCheckers", ">\n\nThis will make a fine addition to my collection", ">\n\nThis was from before I became a \"professional coder\". I'm a bit better now, so I've begun working on the game from scratch now, utilizing less spaghetti code.", ">\n\ngotta love the underboob. the sight of it is guaranteed to improve your day.", ">\n\nUnless you're at Walmart, and they're hanging over a belt", ">\n\nUnderboobs often comes with a visible tummy. \nIt's a great combo.", ">\n\nThere a sub for that? Asking for me.", ">\n\nThere is definitely an underboob subreddit.", ">\n\nThere are at least two.", ">\n\nAnd my axe!", ">\n\nHow many times have you seen someone's tits fall out a normal cleavage? Coz I haven't? But have you ever seen a girl with an underboob shirt lift her arms? Tits come flying out", ">\n\nOnce. I've seen tits explode out of cleavage, (not on purpose) once. It was my great aunt. She was 76.", ">\n\nI'm so sorry/happy for you that you had to witness this", ">\n\nwhy are you happy bro damn he said she was his 76yo great aunt tf", ">\n\nHey, I said sorry/happy. No clue what he's into", ">\n\nFunny shit", ">\n\nUnder is closer to the nipple so I feel that makes it more risqué.", ">\n\nNot when you’re 40", ">\n\noh yea gimme some of that granny underboob.\nShe's showing underboob cleavage, but its a normal XL shirt", ">\n\nGranny? At 40?", ">\n\nImagine you have a kid at 20. And that kid has a kid at 20. How old are?\nNow have you ever met anyone that had a kid BEFORE 20?... I bet you have.", ">\n\nI know it’s technically possible to be a granny at 40. The vast majority of 40 year olds are not grandmothers however. I’m 40, husband is 43, our kids are 6.", ">\n\nLol well I'm about to hit 37. I know what you're saying. I'm just saying. Lots of grandparents across the globe are our age.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage basically shows that it’s not a bra doing the work and they really ARE that perky/voluminous. Plus lol it’s seen less so is just that more hot.", ">\n\nYeah I was going to say, they actually don’t always show the same thing. Cleavage can show many things, but often times it’s “what they look like while supported and pushed slightly together. Cleavage view vs natural can often be quite different. \nBut under boob cleavage, by very nature of no bra, a “is what you see is what you get” type deal.", ">\n\nIt does, under boob makes me far hornier than regular cleavage", ">\n\nSame, side boob and top boob are regular everyday occurrences. They have become somewhat played out. You can go to a church and you may see some top boob.\nUnder boob is a treat. An occasion. Something special", ">\n\nSide boob is my favorite boob", ">\n\nSide boob when classy. Under boob when casual. This is the scientific formula.", ">\n\nSide, under, top are all OK to be seen these days. My conclusion is ladies who want to show off should just put some pasties on and be done it.", ">\n\nYeah, agreed. Culturally, we’ve created a fetish out of boobs by forcing them to be concealed. It’s a feedback loop… they’re sexualized because they’re hidden, and they’re hidden because they’re sexualized. Gotta break the cycle.", ">\n\nLOL yeah tell that to thousands of years of evolution. They aren't sexualized because they're hidden. But I agree with your overall point.", ">\n\nHave you been to a nude beach, or just a beach outside of America? It becomes normalized very quickly and is nothing more fascinating than a leg. Just like legs can be well formed and attractive, so can boobs, but I don’t believe they are inherently more sexual than other parts of the body we don’t consider provocative.\nI’m surprised you bring up evolution when we can look to modern day tribes where the women are topless and it’s a non-event. Any time you prohibit something, that thing becomes more exciting. If you’re on a diet and not allowed to eat sugar, your first bite of cake in a year will be damn near orgasmic. Cake every day is boring. We love the forbidden and the taboo because we are novelty seekers.", ">\n\nI agree with you to the most part. \nBut i do think there is an evolutionairy element, due to them beeing the deciding factor if a woman will be able to nurture younglings. Sexualisation of them makes no sense in this context, BUT since it is a specific female body-trait, it will remind the male brain to fullfill his destiny", ">\n\nwhat abt lesbians then ? Are they “male brained” because they find tits attractive ?", ">\n\nThey’re usually a little more gradually sloping at the top, allowing for a bit more plausible deniability of exactly where they start. At the bottom it’s bam.", ">\n\nUnder boob and no bra… oh my gawd. What a time to be alive man.", ">\n\nIt’s not necessarily more risqué, but it certainly is more risky. One sudden movement and it’s over 😭", ">\n\nbut u r less like to accidentally flash someone if u just have upper boob cleavage rather than lower", ">\n\nThis is called Australian cleavage.\nBecause it is from down unda", ">\n\nWhat...you totally left out side-boob exposure? Now I'll have to go for a shower myself and give this topic some serious thought.", ">\n\nUnderboob usually means the entire torso is exposed while regular cleavage is just a few inches of chest and neck.", ">\n\nProbably just normalization. Top-of-boob is extremely common whereas bottom-of-boob is more difficulty and so more rare.", ">\n\nI think because it feels FAR less secure than “top cleavage”. Like one upward moving breeze and you’re fucked", ">\n\nHeh", ">\n\nTo show underboob, you’ve got to have your belly out too, no?", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear. Same amount if skin, but one is scandalous for people. Logic.", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear is more about the situation, not the amout of skin showing", ">\n\nAlso they wildly different type of fabric.\nIt's not much different than wearing a speedo becomes wildly less acceptable the further from water you get", ">\n\nMan, freshman year of highschool I took biology. My lab partner was this sophmore hippy chick. more often than not she wore crop tops with no bra. She would stretch by raising her arms way over her head like a dozen times per class and the underboob was glorious. good times.", ">\n\nUmmm missed signs / opportunity?", ">\n\nIt's been too many years to remember to be honest, but I think she had a boyfriend with a car and that was way too intimidating for 14 year old me. \n🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nYou typically only see the bottom of the boob when you can see the entire boob, so that's why I think it's so much more alluring. Way less common to see without also seeing a nipple.", ">\n\nUnderboob cleavage is like dogs watching you eat food waiting for you to drop some. Regular cleavage is dogs seeing food on the counter and knowing they're not allowed up there.", ">\n\nUnder-boob is 1 abrupt movement away from full titties. Normal cleavage needs a full handstand for that.", ">\n\nany woman can look good with top cleavage. only a special few can pull off bottom cleavage", ">\n\nA few? Oh, friend.\nThere are over 350,000 plumbers represented by the United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipefitting Industry of US and Canada!", ">\n\nThey are absolutely NOT the same. Underboob any day. Im also partial to side-tit", ">\n\nUnderboob is more provocative imo.. depending on the occasion it can br very sexy.", ">\n\nIdk man I can get a lot more boob details from under boob. You can kinda tell the size of the boobs from traditional cleavage. But under boob gives so much more info. Are they perky? Do they hang nicely? Are they centered or off to the sides? Are the nipples huge? All of these questions are answered.", ">\n\nI hate Anton levay, but he calls this The Law of the Forbidden.", ">\n\nIf we all wear knee and elbow pads. In a few 100 years or less even. Knees and elbows will become an aphrodisiac. \nSomething to take into account. We want what we can’t have. \nThis is my big argument on drug addiction and that most of addiction stems from the scarcity of drug supply. It’s not like Starbucks where you can get your CNS most times of the day and if Starbucks is close, gas stations got the back up for you CNS.", ">\n\nThere's a complete lack of appreciation for the under-boob in modern society.", ">\n\nUnderboob means no bra which drives our animalistic instincts, normal cleavage can be the result of a push up bra", ">\n\nI think it's hotter look & more realistic for every shape & size to look flattering. Love underboob. 🤙", ">\n\nI only read one mention of side boob.. with side boob, under boob, and cleavage I almost have a complete picture.", ">\n\nYou just reminded me of Channon's nipple window outfit in Transmetropolitan.", ">\n\nUnderboob is the only case of potential energy working in practice", ">\n\nWe don't see underboob on a daily basis, so it's the excitement of different even though it's not that different.", ">\n\nI love underboon. As others have pointed out, it's a less common sight, so it's more of a treat.", ">\n\nKinda like side boob", ">\n\nDon't even get me started on the occasional nipple sighting.", ">\n\nThe answer is gravity. More likely for them to fall out and be completely exposed.", ">\n\nOne has crumbs the other gets sweaty. Both are salty I guess", ">\n\nUnderboob is much more risqué, because then you’ll see my undernipple.", ">\n\nThis is like saying wine in a box is the same as wine in a bottle.", ">\n\nLet’s face it. Most guys are from the dark ages. They’re caveman. They like a woman to be showing her cleavage and under boob cleavage. But for me, a woman looks best when she is just absolutely naked.", ">\n\nI assume it's because of gravity.\nUnderboob has the rounded look that's in right now. The fake boob perky look.\nTop cleavage can with a good bra but gravity guarantees that nice round underboob.", ">\n\nI disagree completely. Tell the girl with under boob and the girl with normal cleavage to jump up and down and notice who slips out first.", ">\n\nThe answer would be me. I'd slip out first.", ">\n\nwhere does side-boob fall in the pantheon of breast visibility? asking for science.", ">\n\nOver < Side < Under.", ">\n\nUnderboob is just more honest, you know there’s no lies and deception there", ">\n\nOkay, I’m a woman and I do not know what what under-boob cleavage is 😂Someone please explain! My assumption is that it is cleavage that is some how developed from wearing like a tube top or something? Am I right? Lol", ">\n\nWhenever I see underboob cleavage all I can think about is boob sweat…😝maybe that’s because “underboob” is the armpit of the boobs…", ">\n\nYou're missing the side boob. Essentially the same thing essentially.", ">\n\nCall me crazy, but as I guy, I prefer underboob more so than the whole boob. And this is primarily when having sex...It just turns me on that much more.", ">\n\nDo you have an example? I’m a little unclear on the point are making.", ">\n\nTry telling Twitch that. Cleavage is fine but underboob gets banned.", ">\n\nYou are categorically seeing more skin if you are getting under boob.", ">\n\nI have this Bikini that shows a lot of under boob. I thought it was sexy. I asked my (then) BF if he likes it and wanted me to wear it. He said NO! He didn’t think it was a sexy as my regular small triangle shaped (on each boob) bikini 👙 top. My Girlfriends came to visit and we were going to the beach and I put on the under boob bikini top and they said “No! That’s too sexy!l”." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nUnderboob implies the possibility of gravity making it full boob", ">\n\nYeah, underboob carries a much higher risk of loss of containment.", ">\n\nand then you get a warp core breach.", ">\n\nStop it, you're overloading my PPS conduits", ">\n\nSounds like someone needs to scrub their plasma manifolds", ">\n\nLet me know if Dax is available", ">\n\nKurzon?", ">\n\nNo, I blame him for Jadzia's death lol", ">\n\nJadzia dies!?", ">\n\nDepends on your definition of \"dies\"", ">\n\nit defines the actual shape of the breast. \nAlso, it’s less common to see. Calves used to be risqué at one time.", ">\n\nYeah baby, show us that ankle\n-Victorian Era bros probably", ">\n\nFun fact: table \"legs\" were deemed potentially too arousing, hence the development of the table skirt.\nVictorian's were fucking weird.", ">\n\nI demand boobs on furniture.", ">\n\nboobs, and a whole lot more", ">\n\nNow that just makes it seem like the victorians were actually justified.", ">\n\nImagine having that hidden under a table skirt in Victorian England.", ">\n\noooh the scandal!", ">\n\nGene Roddenberry once said that when designing costumes for the original Star Trek back in the late 1960s, network censors allowed some top cleavage but forbade - to use your term - “under-boob cleavage.”", ">\n\nInteresting! This is a fascinating confirmation of my hunch.", ">\n\nI have been diagnosed with dementia.", ">\n\nYou know damn well that this is a common bug on reddit.", ">\n\nPerhaps he forgot", ">\n\nTrue. Also, \nGitHub.com/MOABdali/MegaCheckers", ">\n\nThis will make a fine addition to my collection", ">\n\nThis was from before I became a \"professional coder\". I'm a bit better now, so I've begun working on the game from scratch now, utilizing less spaghetti code.", ">\n\ngotta love the underboob. the sight of it is guaranteed to improve your day.", ">\n\nUnless you're at Walmart, and they're hanging over a belt", ">\n\nUnderboobs often comes with a visible tummy. \nIt's a great combo.", ">\n\nThere a sub for that? Asking for me.", ">\n\nThere is definitely an underboob subreddit.", ">\n\nThere are at least two.", ">\n\nAnd my axe!", ">\n\nHow many times have you seen someone's tits fall out a normal cleavage? Coz I haven't? But have you ever seen a girl with an underboob shirt lift her arms? Tits come flying out", ">\n\nOnce. I've seen tits explode out of cleavage, (not on purpose) once. It was my great aunt. She was 76.", ">\n\nI'm so sorry/happy for you that you had to witness this", ">\n\nwhy are you happy bro damn he said she was his 76yo great aunt tf", ">\n\nHey, I said sorry/happy. No clue what he's into", ">\n\nFunny shit", ">\n\nUnder is closer to the nipple so I feel that makes it more risqué.", ">\n\nNot when you’re 40", ">\n\noh yea gimme some of that granny underboob.\nShe's showing underboob cleavage, but its a normal XL shirt", ">\n\nGranny? At 40?", ">\n\nImagine you have a kid at 20. And that kid has a kid at 20. How old are?\nNow have you ever met anyone that had a kid BEFORE 20?... I bet you have.", ">\n\nI know it’s technically possible to be a granny at 40. The vast majority of 40 year olds are not grandmothers however. I’m 40, husband is 43, our kids are 6.", ">\n\nLol well I'm about to hit 37. I know what you're saying. I'm just saying. Lots of grandparents across the globe are our age.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage basically shows that it’s not a bra doing the work and they really ARE that perky/voluminous. Plus lol it’s seen less so is just that more hot.", ">\n\nYeah I was going to say, they actually don’t always show the same thing. Cleavage can show many things, but often times it’s “what they look like while supported and pushed slightly together. Cleavage view vs natural can often be quite different. \nBut under boob cleavage, by very nature of no bra, a “is what you see is what you get” type deal.", ">\n\nIt does, under boob makes me far hornier than regular cleavage", ">\n\nSame, side boob and top boob are regular everyday occurrences. They have become somewhat played out. You can go to a church and you may see some top boob.\nUnder boob is a treat. An occasion. Something special", ">\n\nSide boob is my favorite boob", ">\n\nSide boob when classy. Under boob when casual. This is the scientific formula.", ">\n\nSide, under, top are all OK to be seen these days. My conclusion is ladies who want to show off should just put some pasties on and be done it.", ">\n\nYeah, agreed. Culturally, we’ve created a fetish out of boobs by forcing them to be concealed. It’s a feedback loop… they’re sexualized because they’re hidden, and they’re hidden because they’re sexualized. Gotta break the cycle.", ">\n\nLOL yeah tell that to thousands of years of evolution. They aren't sexualized because they're hidden. But I agree with your overall point.", ">\n\nHave you been to a nude beach, or just a beach outside of America? It becomes normalized very quickly and is nothing more fascinating than a leg. Just like legs can be well formed and attractive, so can boobs, but I don’t believe they are inherently more sexual than other parts of the body we don’t consider provocative.\nI’m surprised you bring up evolution when we can look to modern day tribes where the women are topless and it’s a non-event. Any time you prohibit something, that thing becomes more exciting. If you’re on a diet and not allowed to eat sugar, your first bite of cake in a year will be damn near orgasmic. Cake every day is boring. We love the forbidden and the taboo because we are novelty seekers.", ">\n\nI agree with you to the most part. \nBut i do think there is an evolutionairy element, due to them beeing the deciding factor if a woman will be able to nurture younglings. Sexualisation of them makes no sense in this context, BUT since it is a specific female body-trait, it will remind the male brain to fullfill his destiny", ">\n\nwhat abt lesbians then ? Are they “male brained” because they find tits attractive ?", ">\n\nThey’re usually a little more gradually sloping at the top, allowing for a bit more plausible deniability of exactly where they start. At the bottom it’s bam.", ">\n\nUnder boob and no bra… oh my gawd. What a time to be alive man.", ">\n\nIt’s not necessarily more risqué, but it certainly is more risky. One sudden movement and it’s over 😭", ">\n\nbut u r less like to accidentally flash someone if u just have upper boob cleavage rather than lower", ">\n\nThis is called Australian cleavage.\nBecause it is from down unda", ">\n\nWhat...you totally left out side-boob exposure? Now I'll have to go for a shower myself and give this topic some serious thought.", ">\n\nUnderboob usually means the entire torso is exposed while regular cleavage is just a few inches of chest and neck.", ">\n\nProbably just normalization. Top-of-boob is extremely common whereas bottom-of-boob is more difficulty and so more rare.", ">\n\nI think because it feels FAR less secure than “top cleavage”. Like one upward moving breeze and you’re fucked", ">\n\nHeh", ">\n\nTo show underboob, you’ve got to have your belly out too, no?", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear. Same amount if skin, but one is scandalous for people. Logic.", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear is more about the situation, not the amout of skin showing", ">\n\nAlso they wildly different type of fabric.\nIt's not much different than wearing a speedo becomes wildly less acceptable the further from water you get", ">\n\nMan, freshman year of highschool I took biology. My lab partner was this sophmore hippy chick. more often than not she wore crop tops with no bra. She would stretch by raising her arms way over her head like a dozen times per class and the underboob was glorious. good times.", ">\n\nUmmm missed signs / opportunity?", ">\n\nIt's been too many years to remember to be honest, but I think she had a boyfriend with a car and that was way too intimidating for 14 year old me. \n🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nYou typically only see the bottom of the boob when you can see the entire boob, so that's why I think it's so much more alluring. Way less common to see without also seeing a nipple.", ">\n\nUnderboob cleavage is like dogs watching you eat food waiting for you to drop some. Regular cleavage is dogs seeing food on the counter and knowing they're not allowed up there.", ">\n\nUnder-boob is 1 abrupt movement away from full titties. Normal cleavage needs a full handstand for that.", ">\n\nany woman can look good with top cleavage. only a special few can pull off bottom cleavage", ">\n\nA few? Oh, friend.\nThere are over 350,000 plumbers represented by the United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipefitting Industry of US and Canada!", ">\n\nThey are absolutely NOT the same. Underboob any day. Im also partial to side-tit", ">\n\nUnderboob is more provocative imo.. depending on the occasion it can br very sexy.", ">\n\nIdk man I can get a lot more boob details from under boob. You can kinda tell the size of the boobs from traditional cleavage. But under boob gives so much more info. Are they perky? Do they hang nicely? Are they centered or off to the sides? Are the nipples huge? All of these questions are answered.", ">\n\nI hate Anton levay, but he calls this The Law of the Forbidden.", ">\n\nIf we all wear knee and elbow pads. In a few 100 years or less even. Knees and elbows will become an aphrodisiac. \nSomething to take into account. We want what we can’t have. \nThis is my big argument on drug addiction and that most of addiction stems from the scarcity of drug supply. It’s not like Starbucks where you can get your CNS most times of the day and if Starbucks is close, gas stations got the back up for you CNS.", ">\n\nThere's a complete lack of appreciation for the under-boob in modern society.", ">\n\nUnderboob means no bra which drives our animalistic instincts, normal cleavage can be the result of a push up bra", ">\n\nI think it's hotter look & more realistic for every shape & size to look flattering. Love underboob. 🤙", ">\n\nI only read one mention of side boob.. with side boob, under boob, and cleavage I almost have a complete picture.", ">\n\nYou just reminded me of Channon's nipple window outfit in Transmetropolitan.", ">\n\nUnderboob is the only case of potential energy working in practice", ">\n\nWe don't see underboob on a daily basis, so it's the excitement of different even though it's not that different.", ">\n\nI love underboon. As others have pointed out, it's a less common sight, so it's more of a treat.", ">\n\nKinda like side boob", ">\n\nDon't even get me started on the occasional nipple sighting.", ">\n\nThe answer is gravity. More likely for them to fall out and be completely exposed.", ">\n\nOne has crumbs the other gets sweaty. Both are salty I guess", ">\n\nUnderboob is much more risqué, because then you’ll see my undernipple.", ">\n\nThis is like saying wine in a box is the same as wine in a bottle.", ">\n\nLet’s face it. Most guys are from the dark ages. They’re caveman. They like a woman to be showing her cleavage and under boob cleavage. But for me, a woman looks best when she is just absolutely naked.", ">\n\nI assume it's because of gravity.\nUnderboob has the rounded look that's in right now. The fake boob perky look.\nTop cleavage can with a good bra but gravity guarantees that nice round underboob.", ">\n\nI disagree completely. Tell the girl with under boob and the girl with normal cleavage to jump up and down and notice who slips out first.", ">\n\nThe answer would be me. I'd slip out first.", ">\n\nwhere does side-boob fall in the pantheon of breast visibility? asking for science.", ">\n\nOver < Side < Under.", ">\n\nUnderboob is just more honest, you know there’s no lies and deception there", ">\n\nOkay, I’m a woman and I do not know what what under-boob cleavage is 😂Someone please explain! My assumption is that it is cleavage that is some how developed from wearing like a tube top or something? Am I right? Lol", ">\n\nWhenever I see underboob cleavage all I can think about is boob sweat…😝maybe that’s because “underboob” is the armpit of the boobs…", ">\n\nYou're missing the side boob. Essentially the same thing essentially.", ">\n\nCall me crazy, but as I guy, I prefer underboob more so than the whole boob. And this is primarily when having sex...It just turns me on that much more.", ">\n\nDo you have an example? I’m a little unclear on the point are making.", ">\n\nTry telling Twitch that. Cleavage is fine but underboob gets banned.", ">\n\nYou are categorically seeing more skin if you are getting under boob.", ">\n\nI have this Bikini that shows a lot of under boob. I thought it was sexy. I asked my (then) BF if he likes it and wanted me to wear it. He said NO! He didn’t think it was a sexy as my regular small triangle shaped (on each boob) bikini 👙 top. My Girlfriends came to visit and we were going to the beach and I put on the under boob bikini top and they said “No! That’s too sexy!l”.", ">\n\nIt's essentially the same skin as anywhere else on the body, too." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nUnderboob implies the possibility of gravity making it full boob", ">\n\nYeah, underboob carries a much higher risk of loss of containment.", ">\n\nand then you get a warp core breach.", ">\n\nStop it, you're overloading my PPS conduits", ">\n\nSounds like someone needs to scrub their plasma manifolds", ">\n\nLet me know if Dax is available", ">\n\nKurzon?", ">\n\nNo, I blame him for Jadzia's death lol", ">\n\nJadzia dies!?", ">\n\nDepends on your definition of \"dies\"", ">\n\nit defines the actual shape of the breast. \nAlso, it’s less common to see. Calves used to be risqué at one time.", ">\n\nYeah baby, show us that ankle\n-Victorian Era bros probably", ">\n\nFun fact: table \"legs\" were deemed potentially too arousing, hence the development of the table skirt.\nVictorian's were fucking weird.", ">\n\nI demand boobs on furniture.", ">\n\nboobs, and a whole lot more", ">\n\nNow that just makes it seem like the victorians were actually justified.", ">\n\nImagine having that hidden under a table skirt in Victorian England.", ">\n\noooh the scandal!", ">\n\nGene Roddenberry once said that when designing costumes for the original Star Trek back in the late 1960s, network censors allowed some top cleavage but forbade - to use your term - “under-boob cleavage.”", ">\n\nInteresting! This is a fascinating confirmation of my hunch.", ">\n\nI have been diagnosed with dementia.", ">\n\nYou know damn well that this is a common bug on reddit.", ">\n\nPerhaps he forgot", ">\n\nTrue. Also, \nGitHub.com/MOABdali/MegaCheckers", ">\n\nThis will make a fine addition to my collection", ">\n\nThis was from before I became a \"professional coder\". I'm a bit better now, so I've begun working on the game from scratch now, utilizing less spaghetti code.", ">\n\ngotta love the underboob. the sight of it is guaranteed to improve your day.", ">\n\nUnless you're at Walmart, and they're hanging over a belt", ">\n\nUnderboobs often comes with a visible tummy. \nIt's a great combo.", ">\n\nThere a sub for that? Asking for me.", ">\n\nThere is definitely an underboob subreddit.", ">\n\nThere are at least two.", ">\n\nAnd my axe!", ">\n\nHow many times have you seen someone's tits fall out a normal cleavage? Coz I haven't? But have you ever seen a girl with an underboob shirt lift her arms? Tits come flying out", ">\n\nOnce. I've seen tits explode out of cleavage, (not on purpose) once. It was my great aunt. She was 76.", ">\n\nI'm so sorry/happy for you that you had to witness this", ">\n\nwhy are you happy bro damn he said she was his 76yo great aunt tf", ">\n\nHey, I said sorry/happy. No clue what he's into", ">\n\nFunny shit", ">\n\nUnder is closer to the nipple so I feel that makes it more risqué.", ">\n\nNot when you’re 40", ">\n\noh yea gimme some of that granny underboob.\nShe's showing underboob cleavage, but its a normal XL shirt", ">\n\nGranny? At 40?", ">\n\nImagine you have a kid at 20. And that kid has a kid at 20. How old are?\nNow have you ever met anyone that had a kid BEFORE 20?... I bet you have.", ">\n\nI know it’s technically possible to be a granny at 40. The vast majority of 40 year olds are not grandmothers however. I’m 40, husband is 43, our kids are 6.", ">\n\nLol well I'm about to hit 37. I know what you're saying. I'm just saying. Lots of grandparents across the globe are our age.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage basically shows that it’s not a bra doing the work and they really ARE that perky/voluminous. Plus lol it’s seen less so is just that more hot.", ">\n\nYeah I was going to say, they actually don’t always show the same thing. Cleavage can show many things, but often times it’s “what they look like while supported and pushed slightly together. Cleavage view vs natural can often be quite different. \nBut under boob cleavage, by very nature of no bra, a “is what you see is what you get” type deal.", ">\n\nIt does, under boob makes me far hornier than regular cleavage", ">\n\nSame, side boob and top boob are regular everyday occurrences. They have become somewhat played out. You can go to a church and you may see some top boob.\nUnder boob is a treat. An occasion. Something special", ">\n\nSide boob is my favorite boob", ">\n\nSide boob when classy. Under boob when casual. This is the scientific formula.", ">\n\nSide, under, top are all OK to be seen these days. My conclusion is ladies who want to show off should just put some pasties on and be done it.", ">\n\nYeah, agreed. Culturally, we’ve created a fetish out of boobs by forcing them to be concealed. It’s a feedback loop… they’re sexualized because they’re hidden, and they’re hidden because they’re sexualized. Gotta break the cycle.", ">\n\nLOL yeah tell that to thousands of years of evolution. They aren't sexualized because they're hidden. But I agree with your overall point.", ">\n\nHave you been to a nude beach, or just a beach outside of America? It becomes normalized very quickly and is nothing more fascinating than a leg. Just like legs can be well formed and attractive, so can boobs, but I don’t believe they are inherently more sexual than other parts of the body we don’t consider provocative.\nI’m surprised you bring up evolution when we can look to modern day tribes where the women are topless and it’s a non-event. Any time you prohibit something, that thing becomes more exciting. If you’re on a diet and not allowed to eat sugar, your first bite of cake in a year will be damn near orgasmic. Cake every day is boring. We love the forbidden and the taboo because we are novelty seekers.", ">\n\nI agree with you to the most part. \nBut i do think there is an evolutionairy element, due to them beeing the deciding factor if a woman will be able to nurture younglings. Sexualisation of them makes no sense in this context, BUT since it is a specific female body-trait, it will remind the male brain to fullfill his destiny", ">\n\nwhat abt lesbians then ? Are they “male brained” because they find tits attractive ?", ">\n\nThey’re usually a little more gradually sloping at the top, allowing for a bit more plausible deniability of exactly where they start. At the bottom it’s bam.", ">\n\nUnder boob and no bra… oh my gawd. What a time to be alive man.", ">\n\nIt’s not necessarily more risqué, but it certainly is more risky. One sudden movement and it’s over 😭", ">\n\nbut u r less like to accidentally flash someone if u just have upper boob cleavage rather than lower", ">\n\nThis is called Australian cleavage.\nBecause it is from down unda", ">\n\nWhat...you totally left out side-boob exposure? Now I'll have to go for a shower myself and give this topic some serious thought.", ">\n\nUnderboob usually means the entire torso is exposed while regular cleavage is just a few inches of chest and neck.", ">\n\nProbably just normalization. Top-of-boob is extremely common whereas bottom-of-boob is more difficulty and so more rare.", ">\n\nI think because it feels FAR less secure than “top cleavage”. Like one upward moving breeze and you’re fucked", ">\n\nHeh", ">\n\nTo show underboob, you’ve got to have your belly out too, no?", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear. Same amount if skin, but one is scandalous for people. Logic.", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear is more about the situation, not the amout of skin showing", ">\n\nAlso they wildly different type of fabric.\nIt's not much different than wearing a speedo becomes wildly less acceptable the further from water you get", ">\n\nMan, freshman year of highschool I took biology. My lab partner was this sophmore hippy chick. more often than not she wore crop tops with no bra. She would stretch by raising her arms way over her head like a dozen times per class and the underboob was glorious. good times.", ">\n\nUmmm missed signs / opportunity?", ">\n\nIt's been too many years to remember to be honest, but I think she had a boyfriend with a car and that was way too intimidating for 14 year old me. \n🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nYou typically only see the bottom of the boob when you can see the entire boob, so that's why I think it's so much more alluring. Way less common to see without also seeing a nipple.", ">\n\nUnderboob cleavage is like dogs watching you eat food waiting for you to drop some. Regular cleavage is dogs seeing food on the counter and knowing they're not allowed up there.", ">\n\nUnder-boob is 1 abrupt movement away from full titties. Normal cleavage needs a full handstand for that.", ">\n\nany woman can look good with top cleavage. only a special few can pull off bottom cleavage", ">\n\nA few? Oh, friend.\nThere are over 350,000 plumbers represented by the United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipefitting Industry of US and Canada!", ">\n\nThey are absolutely NOT the same. Underboob any day. Im also partial to side-tit", ">\n\nUnderboob is more provocative imo.. depending on the occasion it can br very sexy.", ">\n\nIdk man I can get a lot more boob details from under boob. You can kinda tell the size of the boobs from traditional cleavage. But under boob gives so much more info. Are they perky? Do they hang nicely? Are they centered or off to the sides? Are the nipples huge? All of these questions are answered.", ">\n\nI hate Anton levay, but he calls this The Law of the Forbidden.", ">\n\nIf we all wear knee and elbow pads. In a few 100 years or less even. Knees and elbows will become an aphrodisiac. \nSomething to take into account. We want what we can’t have. \nThis is my big argument on drug addiction and that most of addiction stems from the scarcity of drug supply. It’s not like Starbucks where you can get your CNS most times of the day and if Starbucks is close, gas stations got the back up for you CNS.", ">\n\nThere's a complete lack of appreciation for the under-boob in modern society.", ">\n\nUnderboob means no bra which drives our animalistic instincts, normal cleavage can be the result of a push up bra", ">\n\nI think it's hotter look & more realistic for every shape & size to look flattering. Love underboob. 🤙", ">\n\nI only read one mention of side boob.. with side boob, under boob, and cleavage I almost have a complete picture.", ">\n\nYou just reminded me of Channon's nipple window outfit in Transmetropolitan.", ">\n\nUnderboob is the only case of potential energy working in practice", ">\n\nWe don't see underboob on a daily basis, so it's the excitement of different even though it's not that different.", ">\n\nI love underboon. As others have pointed out, it's a less common sight, so it's more of a treat.", ">\n\nKinda like side boob", ">\n\nDon't even get me started on the occasional nipple sighting.", ">\n\nThe answer is gravity. More likely for them to fall out and be completely exposed.", ">\n\nOne has crumbs the other gets sweaty. Both are salty I guess", ">\n\nUnderboob is much more risqué, because then you’ll see my undernipple.", ">\n\nThis is like saying wine in a box is the same as wine in a bottle.", ">\n\nLet’s face it. Most guys are from the dark ages. They’re caveman. They like a woman to be showing her cleavage and under boob cleavage. But for me, a woman looks best when she is just absolutely naked.", ">\n\nI assume it's because of gravity.\nUnderboob has the rounded look that's in right now. The fake boob perky look.\nTop cleavage can with a good bra but gravity guarantees that nice round underboob.", ">\n\nI disagree completely. Tell the girl with under boob and the girl with normal cleavage to jump up and down and notice who slips out first.", ">\n\nThe answer would be me. I'd slip out first.", ">\n\nwhere does side-boob fall in the pantheon of breast visibility? asking for science.", ">\n\nOver < Side < Under.", ">\n\nUnderboob is just more honest, you know there’s no lies and deception there", ">\n\nOkay, I’m a woman and I do not know what what under-boob cleavage is 😂Someone please explain! My assumption is that it is cleavage that is some how developed from wearing like a tube top or something? Am I right? Lol", ">\n\nWhenever I see underboob cleavage all I can think about is boob sweat…😝maybe that’s because “underboob” is the armpit of the boobs…", ">\n\nYou're missing the side boob. Essentially the same thing essentially.", ">\n\nCall me crazy, but as I guy, I prefer underboob more so than the whole boob. And this is primarily when having sex...It just turns me on that much more.", ">\n\nDo you have an example? I’m a little unclear on the point are making.", ">\n\nTry telling Twitch that. Cleavage is fine but underboob gets banned.", ">\n\nYou are categorically seeing more skin if you are getting under boob.", ">\n\nI have this Bikini that shows a lot of under boob. I thought it was sexy. I asked my (then) BF if he likes it and wanted me to wear it. He said NO! He didn’t think it was a sexy as my regular small triangle shaped (on each boob) bikini 👙 top. My Girlfriends came to visit and we were going to the beach and I put on the under boob bikini top and they said “No! That’s too sexy!l”.", ">\n\nIt's essentially the same skin as anywhere else on the body, too.", ">\n\nCan’t believe people care so much about boobs.\nSure; they’re nice. But worth such discussion over? Way to commodify something simple and a bit nice" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nUnderboob implies the possibility of gravity making it full boob", ">\n\nYeah, underboob carries a much higher risk of loss of containment.", ">\n\nand then you get a warp core breach.", ">\n\nStop it, you're overloading my PPS conduits", ">\n\nSounds like someone needs to scrub their plasma manifolds", ">\n\nLet me know if Dax is available", ">\n\nKurzon?", ">\n\nNo, I blame him for Jadzia's death lol", ">\n\nJadzia dies!?", ">\n\nDepends on your definition of \"dies\"", ">\n\nit defines the actual shape of the breast. \nAlso, it’s less common to see. Calves used to be risqué at one time.", ">\n\nYeah baby, show us that ankle\n-Victorian Era bros probably", ">\n\nFun fact: table \"legs\" were deemed potentially too arousing, hence the development of the table skirt.\nVictorian's were fucking weird.", ">\n\nI demand boobs on furniture.", ">\n\nboobs, and a whole lot more", ">\n\nNow that just makes it seem like the victorians were actually justified.", ">\n\nImagine having that hidden under a table skirt in Victorian England.", ">\n\noooh the scandal!", ">\n\nGene Roddenberry once said that when designing costumes for the original Star Trek back in the late 1960s, network censors allowed some top cleavage but forbade - to use your term - “under-boob cleavage.”", ">\n\nInteresting! This is a fascinating confirmation of my hunch.", ">\n\nI have been diagnosed with dementia.", ">\n\nYou know damn well that this is a common bug on reddit.", ">\n\nPerhaps he forgot", ">\n\nTrue. Also, \nGitHub.com/MOABdali/MegaCheckers", ">\n\nThis will make a fine addition to my collection", ">\n\nThis was from before I became a \"professional coder\". I'm a bit better now, so I've begun working on the game from scratch now, utilizing less spaghetti code.", ">\n\ngotta love the underboob. the sight of it is guaranteed to improve your day.", ">\n\nUnless you're at Walmart, and they're hanging over a belt", ">\n\nUnderboobs often comes with a visible tummy. \nIt's a great combo.", ">\n\nThere a sub for that? Asking for me.", ">\n\nThere is definitely an underboob subreddit.", ">\n\nThere are at least two.", ">\n\nAnd my axe!", ">\n\nHow many times have you seen someone's tits fall out a normal cleavage? Coz I haven't? But have you ever seen a girl with an underboob shirt lift her arms? Tits come flying out", ">\n\nOnce. I've seen tits explode out of cleavage, (not on purpose) once. It was my great aunt. She was 76.", ">\n\nI'm so sorry/happy for you that you had to witness this", ">\n\nwhy are you happy bro damn he said she was his 76yo great aunt tf", ">\n\nHey, I said sorry/happy. No clue what he's into", ">\n\nFunny shit", ">\n\nUnder is closer to the nipple so I feel that makes it more risqué.", ">\n\nNot when you’re 40", ">\n\noh yea gimme some of that granny underboob.\nShe's showing underboob cleavage, but its a normal XL shirt", ">\n\nGranny? At 40?", ">\n\nImagine you have a kid at 20. And that kid has a kid at 20. How old are?\nNow have you ever met anyone that had a kid BEFORE 20?... I bet you have.", ">\n\nI know it’s technically possible to be a granny at 40. The vast majority of 40 year olds are not grandmothers however. I’m 40, husband is 43, our kids are 6.", ">\n\nLol well I'm about to hit 37. I know what you're saying. I'm just saying. Lots of grandparents across the globe are our age.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage basically shows that it’s not a bra doing the work and they really ARE that perky/voluminous. Plus lol it’s seen less so is just that more hot.", ">\n\nYeah I was going to say, they actually don’t always show the same thing. Cleavage can show many things, but often times it’s “what they look like while supported and pushed slightly together. Cleavage view vs natural can often be quite different. \nBut under boob cleavage, by very nature of no bra, a “is what you see is what you get” type deal.", ">\n\nIt does, under boob makes me far hornier than regular cleavage", ">\n\nSame, side boob and top boob are regular everyday occurrences. They have become somewhat played out. You can go to a church and you may see some top boob.\nUnder boob is a treat. An occasion. Something special", ">\n\nSide boob is my favorite boob", ">\n\nSide boob when classy. Under boob when casual. This is the scientific formula.", ">\n\nSide, under, top are all OK to be seen these days. My conclusion is ladies who want to show off should just put some pasties on and be done it.", ">\n\nYeah, agreed. Culturally, we’ve created a fetish out of boobs by forcing them to be concealed. It’s a feedback loop… they’re sexualized because they’re hidden, and they’re hidden because they’re sexualized. Gotta break the cycle.", ">\n\nLOL yeah tell that to thousands of years of evolution. They aren't sexualized because they're hidden. But I agree with your overall point.", ">\n\nHave you been to a nude beach, or just a beach outside of America? It becomes normalized very quickly and is nothing more fascinating than a leg. Just like legs can be well formed and attractive, so can boobs, but I don’t believe they are inherently more sexual than other parts of the body we don’t consider provocative.\nI’m surprised you bring up evolution when we can look to modern day tribes where the women are topless and it’s a non-event. Any time you prohibit something, that thing becomes more exciting. If you’re on a diet and not allowed to eat sugar, your first bite of cake in a year will be damn near orgasmic. Cake every day is boring. We love the forbidden and the taboo because we are novelty seekers.", ">\n\nI agree with you to the most part. \nBut i do think there is an evolutionairy element, due to them beeing the deciding factor if a woman will be able to nurture younglings. Sexualisation of them makes no sense in this context, BUT since it is a specific female body-trait, it will remind the male brain to fullfill his destiny", ">\n\nwhat abt lesbians then ? Are they “male brained” because they find tits attractive ?", ">\n\nThey’re usually a little more gradually sloping at the top, allowing for a bit more plausible deniability of exactly where they start. At the bottom it’s bam.", ">\n\nUnder boob and no bra… oh my gawd. What a time to be alive man.", ">\n\nIt’s not necessarily more risqué, but it certainly is more risky. One sudden movement and it’s over 😭", ">\n\nbut u r less like to accidentally flash someone if u just have upper boob cleavage rather than lower", ">\n\nThis is called Australian cleavage.\nBecause it is from down unda", ">\n\nWhat...you totally left out side-boob exposure? Now I'll have to go for a shower myself and give this topic some serious thought.", ">\n\nUnderboob usually means the entire torso is exposed while regular cleavage is just a few inches of chest and neck.", ">\n\nProbably just normalization. Top-of-boob is extremely common whereas bottom-of-boob is more difficulty and so more rare.", ">\n\nI think because it feels FAR less secure than “top cleavage”. Like one upward moving breeze and you’re fucked", ">\n\nHeh", ">\n\nTo show underboob, you’ve got to have your belly out too, no?", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear. Same amount if skin, but one is scandalous for people. Logic.", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear is more about the situation, not the amout of skin showing", ">\n\nAlso they wildly different type of fabric.\nIt's not much different than wearing a speedo becomes wildly less acceptable the further from water you get", ">\n\nMan, freshman year of highschool I took biology. My lab partner was this sophmore hippy chick. more often than not she wore crop tops with no bra. She would stretch by raising her arms way over her head like a dozen times per class and the underboob was glorious. good times.", ">\n\nUmmm missed signs / opportunity?", ">\n\nIt's been too many years to remember to be honest, but I think she had a boyfriend with a car and that was way too intimidating for 14 year old me. \n🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nYou typically only see the bottom of the boob when you can see the entire boob, so that's why I think it's so much more alluring. Way less common to see without also seeing a nipple.", ">\n\nUnderboob cleavage is like dogs watching you eat food waiting for you to drop some. Regular cleavage is dogs seeing food on the counter and knowing they're not allowed up there.", ">\n\nUnder-boob is 1 abrupt movement away from full titties. Normal cleavage needs a full handstand for that.", ">\n\nany woman can look good with top cleavage. only a special few can pull off bottom cleavage", ">\n\nA few? Oh, friend.\nThere are over 350,000 plumbers represented by the United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipefitting Industry of US and Canada!", ">\n\nThey are absolutely NOT the same. Underboob any day. Im also partial to side-tit", ">\n\nUnderboob is more provocative imo.. depending on the occasion it can br very sexy.", ">\n\nIdk man I can get a lot more boob details from under boob. You can kinda tell the size of the boobs from traditional cleavage. But under boob gives so much more info. Are they perky? Do they hang nicely? Are they centered or off to the sides? Are the nipples huge? All of these questions are answered.", ">\n\nI hate Anton levay, but he calls this The Law of the Forbidden.", ">\n\nIf we all wear knee and elbow pads. In a few 100 years or less even. Knees and elbows will become an aphrodisiac. \nSomething to take into account. We want what we can’t have. \nThis is my big argument on drug addiction and that most of addiction stems from the scarcity of drug supply. It’s not like Starbucks where you can get your CNS most times of the day and if Starbucks is close, gas stations got the back up for you CNS.", ">\n\nThere's a complete lack of appreciation for the under-boob in modern society.", ">\n\nUnderboob means no bra which drives our animalistic instincts, normal cleavage can be the result of a push up bra", ">\n\nI think it's hotter look & more realistic for every shape & size to look flattering. Love underboob. 🤙", ">\n\nI only read one mention of side boob.. with side boob, under boob, and cleavage I almost have a complete picture.", ">\n\nYou just reminded me of Channon's nipple window outfit in Transmetropolitan.", ">\n\nUnderboob is the only case of potential energy working in practice", ">\n\nWe don't see underboob on a daily basis, so it's the excitement of different even though it's not that different.", ">\n\nI love underboon. As others have pointed out, it's a less common sight, so it's more of a treat.", ">\n\nKinda like side boob", ">\n\nDon't even get me started on the occasional nipple sighting.", ">\n\nThe answer is gravity. More likely for them to fall out and be completely exposed.", ">\n\nOne has crumbs the other gets sweaty. Both are salty I guess", ">\n\nUnderboob is much more risqué, because then you’ll see my undernipple.", ">\n\nThis is like saying wine in a box is the same as wine in a bottle.", ">\n\nLet’s face it. Most guys are from the dark ages. They’re caveman. They like a woman to be showing her cleavage and under boob cleavage. But for me, a woman looks best when she is just absolutely naked.", ">\n\nI assume it's because of gravity.\nUnderboob has the rounded look that's in right now. The fake boob perky look.\nTop cleavage can with a good bra but gravity guarantees that nice round underboob.", ">\n\nI disagree completely. Tell the girl with under boob and the girl with normal cleavage to jump up and down and notice who slips out first.", ">\n\nThe answer would be me. I'd slip out first.", ">\n\nwhere does side-boob fall in the pantheon of breast visibility? asking for science.", ">\n\nOver < Side < Under.", ">\n\nUnderboob is just more honest, you know there’s no lies and deception there", ">\n\nOkay, I’m a woman and I do not know what what under-boob cleavage is 😂Someone please explain! My assumption is that it is cleavage that is some how developed from wearing like a tube top or something? Am I right? Lol", ">\n\nWhenever I see underboob cleavage all I can think about is boob sweat…😝maybe that’s because “underboob” is the armpit of the boobs…", ">\n\nYou're missing the side boob. Essentially the same thing essentially.", ">\n\nCall me crazy, but as I guy, I prefer underboob more so than the whole boob. And this is primarily when having sex...It just turns me on that much more.", ">\n\nDo you have an example? I’m a little unclear on the point are making.", ">\n\nTry telling Twitch that. Cleavage is fine but underboob gets banned.", ">\n\nYou are categorically seeing more skin if you are getting under boob.", ">\n\nI have this Bikini that shows a lot of under boob. I thought it was sexy. I asked my (then) BF if he likes it and wanted me to wear it. He said NO! He didn’t think it was a sexy as my regular small triangle shaped (on each boob) bikini 👙 top. My Girlfriends came to visit and we were going to the beach and I put on the under boob bikini top and they said “No! That’s too sexy!l”.", ">\n\nIt's essentially the same skin as anywhere else on the body, too.", ">\n\nCan’t believe people care so much about boobs.\nSure; they’re nice. But worth such discussion over? Way to commodify something simple and a bit nice", ">\n\nBecause biology.\nWant to talk about how societal norms and human biology clash in a weird way? Cleavage." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nUnderboob implies the possibility of gravity making it full boob", ">\n\nYeah, underboob carries a much higher risk of loss of containment.", ">\n\nand then you get a warp core breach.", ">\n\nStop it, you're overloading my PPS conduits", ">\n\nSounds like someone needs to scrub their plasma manifolds", ">\n\nLet me know if Dax is available", ">\n\nKurzon?", ">\n\nNo, I blame him for Jadzia's death lol", ">\n\nJadzia dies!?", ">\n\nDepends on your definition of \"dies\"", ">\n\nit defines the actual shape of the breast. \nAlso, it’s less common to see. Calves used to be risqué at one time.", ">\n\nYeah baby, show us that ankle\n-Victorian Era bros probably", ">\n\nFun fact: table \"legs\" were deemed potentially too arousing, hence the development of the table skirt.\nVictorian's were fucking weird.", ">\n\nI demand boobs on furniture.", ">\n\nboobs, and a whole lot more", ">\n\nNow that just makes it seem like the victorians were actually justified.", ">\n\nImagine having that hidden under a table skirt in Victorian England.", ">\n\noooh the scandal!", ">\n\nGene Roddenberry once said that when designing costumes for the original Star Trek back in the late 1960s, network censors allowed some top cleavage but forbade - to use your term - “under-boob cleavage.”", ">\n\nInteresting! This is a fascinating confirmation of my hunch.", ">\n\nI have been diagnosed with dementia.", ">\n\nYou know damn well that this is a common bug on reddit.", ">\n\nPerhaps he forgot", ">\n\nTrue. Also, \nGitHub.com/MOABdali/MegaCheckers", ">\n\nThis will make a fine addition to my collection", ">\n\nThis was from before I became a \"professional coder\". I'm a bit better now, so I've begun working on the game from scratch now, utilizing less spaghetti code.", ">\n\ngotta love the underboob. the sight of it is guaranteed to improve your day.", ">\n\nUnless you're at Walmart, and they're hanging over a belt", ">\n\nUnderboobs often comes with a visible tummy. \nIt's a great combo.", ">\n\nThere a sub for that? Asking for me.", ">\n\nThere is definitely an underboob subreddit.", ">\n\nThere are at least two.", ">\n\nAnd my axe!", ">\n\nHow many times have you seen someone's tits fall out a normal cleavage? Coz I haven't? But have you ever seen a girl with an underboob shirt lift her arms? Tits come flying out", ">\n\nOnce. I've seen tits explode out of cleavage, (not on purpose) once. It was my great aunt. She was 76.", ">\n\nI'm so sorry/happy for you that you had to witness this", ">\n\nwhy are you happy bro damn he said she was his 76yo great aunt tf", ">\n\nHey, I said sorry/happy. No clue what he's into", ">\n\nFunny shit", ">\n\nUnder is closer to the nipple so I feel that makes it more risqué.", ">\n\nNot when you’re 40", ">\n\noh yea gimme some of that granny underboob.\nShe's showing underboob cleavage, but its a normal XL shirt", ">\n\nGranny? At 40?", ">\n\nImagine you have a kid at 20. And that kid has a kid at 20. How old are?\nNow have you ever met anyone that had a kid BEFORE 20?... I bet you have.", ">\n\nI know it’s technically possible to be a granny at 40. The vast majority of 40 year olds are not grandmothers however. I’m 40, husband is 43, our kids are 6.", ">\n\nLol well I'm about to hit 37. I know what you're saying. I'm just saying. Lots of grandparents across the globe are our age.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage basically shows that it’s not a bra doing the work and they really ARE that perky/voluminous. Plus lol it’s seen less so is just that more hot.", ">\n\nYeah I was going to say, they actually don’t always show the same thing. Cleavage can show many things, but often times it’s “what they look like while supported and pushed slightly together. Cleavage view vs natural can often be quite different. \nBut under boob cleavage, by very nature of no bra, a “is what you see is what you get” type deal.", ">\n\nIt does, under boob makes me far hornier than regular cleavage", ">\n\nSame, side boob and top boob are regular everyday occurrences. They have become somewhat played out. You can go to a church and you may see some top boob.\nUnder boob is a treat. An occasion. Something special", ">\n\nSide boob is my favorite boob", ">\n\nSide boob when classy. Under boob when casual. This is the scientific formula.", ">\n\nSide, under, top are all OK to be seen these days. My conclusion is ladies who want to show off should just put some pasties on and be done it.", ">\n\nYeah, agreed. Culturally, we’ve created a fetish out of boobs by forcing them to be concealed. It’s a feedback loop… they’re sexualized because they’re hidden, and they’re hidden because they’re sexualized. Gotta break the cycle.", ">\n\nLOL yeah tell that to thousands of years of evolution. They aren't sexualized because they're hidden. But I agree with your overall point.", ">\n\nHave you been to a nude beach, or just a beach outside of America? It becomes normalized very quickly and is nothing more fascinating than a leg. Just like legs can be well formed and attractive, so can boobs, but I don’t believe they are inherently more sexual than other parts of the body we don’t consider provocative.\nI’m surprised you bring up evolution when we can look to modern day tribes where the women are topless and it’s a non-event. Any time you prohibit something, that thing becomes more exciting. If you’re on a diet and not allowed to eat sugar, your first bite of cake in a year will be damn near orgasmic. Cake every day is boring. We love the forbidden and the taboo because we are novelty seekers.", ">\n\nI agree with you to the most part. \nBut i do think there is an evolutionairy element, due to them beeing the deciding factor if a woman will be able to nurture younglings. Sexualisation of them makes no sense in this context, BUT since it is a specific female body-trait, it will remind the male brain to fullfill his destiny", ">\n\nwhat abt lesbians then ? Are they “male brained” because they find tits attractive ?", ">\n\nThey’re usually a little more gradually sloping at the top, allowing for a bit more plausible deniability of exactly where they start. At the bottom it’s bam.", ">\n\nUnder boob and no bra… oh my gawd. What a time to be alive man.", ">\n\nIt’s not necessarily more risqué, but it certainly is more risky. One sudden movement and it’s over 😭", ">\n\nbut u r less like to accidentally flash someone if u just have upper boob cleavage rather than lower", ">\n\nThis is called Australian cleavage.\nBecause it is from down unda", ">\n\nWhat...you totally left out side-boob exposure? Now I'll have to go for a shower myself and give this topic some serious thought.", ">\n\nUnderboob usually means the entire torso is exposed while regular cleavage is just a few inches of chest and neck.", ">\n\nProbably just normalization. Top-of-boob is extremely common whereas bottom-of-boob is more difficulty and so more rare.", ">\n\nI think because it feels FAR less secure than “top cleavage”. Like one upward moving breeze and you’re fucked", ">\n\nHeh", ">\n\nTo show underboob, you’ve got to have your belly out too, no?", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear. Same amount if skin, but one is scandalous for people. Logic.", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear is more about the situation, not the amout of skin showing", ">\n\nAlso they wildly different type of fabric.\nIt's not much different than wearing a speedo becomes wildly less acceptable the further from water you get", ">\n\nMan, freshman year of highschool I took biology. My lab partner was this sophmore hippy chick. more often than not she wore crop tops with no bra. She would stretch by raising her arms way over her head like a dozen times per class and the underboob was glorious. good times.", ">\n\nUmmm missed signs / opportunity?", ">\n\nIt's been too many years to remember to be honest, but I think she had a boyfriend with a car and that was way too intimidating for 14 year old me. \n🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nYou typically only see the bottom of the boob when you can see the entire boob, so that's why I think it's so much more alluring. Way less common to see without also seeing a nipple.", ">\n\nUnderboob cleavage is like dogs watching you eat food waiting for you to drop some. Regular cleavage is dogs seeing food on the counter and knowing they're not allowed up there.", ">\n\nUnder-boob is 1 abrupt movement away from full titties. Normal cleavage needs a full handstand for that.", ">\n\nany woman can look good with top cleavage. only a special few can pull off bottom cleavage", ">\n\nA few? Oh, friend.\nThere are over 350,000 plumbers represented by the United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipefitting Industry of US and Canada!", ">\n\nThey are absolutely NOT the same. Underboob any day. Im also partial to side-tit", ">\n\nUnderboob is more provocative imo.. depending on the occasion it can br very sexy.", ">\n\nIdk man I can get a lot more boob details from under boob. You can kinda tell the size of the boobs from traditional cleavage. But under boob gives so much more info. Are they perky? Do they hang nicely? Are they centered or off to the sides? Are the nipples huge? All of these questions are answered.", ">\n\nI hate Anton levay, but he calls this The Law of the Forbidden.", ">\n\nIf we all wear knee and elbow pads. In a few 100 years or less even. Knees and elbows will become an aphrodisiac. \nSomething to take into account. We want what we can’t have. \nThis is my big argument on drug addiction and that most of addiction stems from the scarcity of drug supply. It’s not like Starbucks where you can get your CNS most times of the day and if Starbucks is close, gas stations got the back up for you CNS.", ">\n\nThere's a complete lack of appreciation for the under-boob in modern society.", ">\n\nUnderboob means no bra which drives our animalistic instincts, normal cleavage can be the result of a push up bra", ">\n\nI think it's hotter look & more realistic for every shape & size to look flattering. Love underboob. 🤙", ">\n\nI only read one mention of side boob.. with side boob, under boob, and cleavage I almost have a complete picture.", ">\n\nYou just reminded me of Channon's nipple window outfit in Transmetropolitan.", ">\n\nUnderboob is the only case of potential energy working in practice", ">\n\nWe don't see underboob on a daily basis, so it's the excitement of different even though it's not that different.", ">\n\nI love underboon. As others have pointed out, it's a less common sight, so it's more of a treat.", ">\n\nKinda like side boob", ">\n\nDon't even get me started on the occasional nipple sighting.", ">\n\nThe answer is gravity. More likely for them to fall out and be completely exposed.", ">\n\nOne has crumbs the other gets sweaty. Both are salty I guess", ">\n\nUnderboob is much more risqué, because then you’ll see my undernipple.", ">\n\nThis is like saying wine in a box is the same as wine in a bottle.", ">\n\nLet’s face it. Most guys are from the dark ages. They’re caveman. They like a woman to be showing her cleavage and under boob cleavage. But for me, a woman looks best when she is just absolutely naked.", ">\n\nI assume it's because of gravity.\nUnderboob has the rounded look that's in right now. The fake boob perky look.\nTop cleavage can with a good bra but gravity guarantees that nice round underboob.", ">\n\nI disagree completely. Tell the girl with under boob and the girl with normal cleavage to jump up and down and notice who slips out first.", ">\n\nThe answer would be me. I'd slip out first.", ">\n\nwhere does side-boob fall in the pantheon of breast visibility? asking for science.", ">\n\nOver < Side < Under.", ">\n\nUnderboob is just more honest, you know there’s no lies and deception there", ">\n\nOkay, I’m a woman and I do not know what what under-boob cleavage is 😂Someone please explain! My assumption is that it is cleavage that is some how developed from wearing like a tube top or something? Am I right? Lol", ">\n\nWhenever I see underboob cleavage all I can think about is boob sweat…😝maybe that’s because “underboob” is the armpit of the boobs…", ">\n\nYou're missing the side boob. Essentially the same thing essentially.", ">\n\nCall me crazy, but as I guy, I prefer underboob more so than the whole boob. And this is primarily when having sex...It just turns me on that much more.", ">\n\nDo you have an example? I’m a little unclear on the point are making.", ">\n\nTry telling Twitch that. Cleavage is fine but underboob gets banned.", ">\n\nYou are categorically seeing more skin if you are getting under boob.", ">\n\nI have this Bikini that shows a lot of under boob. I thought it was sexy. I asked my (then) BF if he likes it and wanted me to wear it. He said NO! He didn’t think it was a sexy as my regular small triangle shaped (on each boob) bikini 👙 top. My Girlfriends came to visit and we were going to the beach and I put on the under boob bikini top and they said “No! That’s too sexy!l”.", ">\n\nIt's essentially the same skin as anywhere else on the body, too.", ">\n\nCan’t believe people care so much about boobs.\nSure; they’re nice. But worth such discussion over? Way to commodify something simple and a bit nice", ">\n\nBecause biology.\nWant to talk about how societal norms and human biology clash in a weird way? Cleavage.", ">\n\nBecause gravity means they might slip off.\nAlso, at least for me as a man and the women I’ve been with, the preference is that they be cupped from the bottom when they intentionally expose themselves to me hahaha. \nI guess they feel supported that way idk feels good to me and them." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nUnderboob implies the possibility of gravity making it full boob", ">\n\nYeah, underboob carries a much higher risk of loss of containment.", ">\n\nand then you get a warp core breach.", ">\n\nStop it, you're overloading my PPS conduits", ">\n\nSounds like someone needs to scrub their plasma manifolds", ">\n\nLet me know if Dax is available", ">\n\nKurzon?", ">\n\nNo, I blame him for Jadzia's death lol", ">\n\nJadzia dies!?", ">\n\nDepends on your definition of \"dies\"", ">\n\nit defines the actual shape of the breast. \nAlso, it’s less common to see. Calves used to be risqué at one time.", ">\n\nYeah baby, show us that ankle\n-Victorian Era bros probably", ">\n\nFun fact: table \"legs\" were deemed potentially too arousing, hence the development of the table skirt.\nVictorian's were fucking weird.", ">\n\nI demand boobs on furniture.", ">\n\nboobs, and a whole lot more", ">\n\nNow that just makes it seem like the victorians were actually justified.", ">\n\nImagine having that hidden under a table skirt in Victorian England.", ">\n\noooh the scandal!", ">\n\nGene Roddenberry once said that when designing costumes for the original Star Trek back in the late 1960s, network censors allowed some top cleavage but forbade - to use your term - “under-boob cleavage.”", ">\n\nInteresting! This is a fascinating confirmation of my hunch.", ">\n\nI have been diagnosed with dementia.", ">\n\nYou know damn well that this is a common bug on reddit.", ">\n\nPerhaps he forgot", ">\n\nTrue. Also, \nGitHub.com/MOABdali/MegaCheckers", ">\n\nThis will make a fine addition to my collection", ">\n\nThis was from before I became a \"professional coder\". I'm a bit better now, so I've begun working on the game from scratch now, utilizing less spaghetti code.", ">\n\ngotta love the underboob. the sight of it is guaranteed to improve your day.", ">\n\nUnless you're at Walmart, and they're hanging over a belt", ">\n\nUnderboobs often comes with a visible tummy. \nIt's a great combo.", ">\n\nThere a sub for that? Asking for me.", ">\n\nThere is definitely an underboob subreddit.", ">\n\nThere are at least two.", ">\n\nAnd my axe!", ">\n\nHow many times have you seen someone's tits fall out a normal cleavage? Coz I haven't? But have you ever seen a girl with an underboob shirt lift her arms? Tits come flying out", ">\n\nOnce. I've seen tits explode out of cleavage, (not on purpose) once. It was my great aunt. She was 76.", ">\n\nI'm so sorry/happy for you that you had to witness this", ">\n\nwhy are you happy bro damn he said she was his 76yo great aunt tf", ">\n\nHey, I said sorry/happy. No clue what he's into", ">\n\nFunny shit", ">\n\nUnder is closer to the nipple so I feel that makes it more risqué.", ">\n\nNot when you’re 40", ">\n\noh yea gimme some of that granny underboob.\nShe's showing underboob cleavage, but its a normal XL shirt", ">\n\nGranny? At 40?", ">\n\nImagine you have a kid at 20. And that kid has a kid at 20. How old are?\nNow have you ever met anyone that had a kid BEFORE 20?... I bet you have.", ">\n\nI know it’s technically possible to be a granny at 40. The vast majority of 40 year olds are not grandmothers however. I’m 40, husband is 43, our kids are 6.", ">\n\nLol well I'm about to hit 37. I know what you're saying. I'm just saying. Lots of grandparents across the globe are our age.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage basically shows that it’s not a bra doing the work and they really ARE that perky/voluminous. Plus lol it’s seen less so is just that more hot.", ">\n\nYeah I was going to say, they actually don’t always show the same thing. Cleavage can show many things, but often times it’s “what they look like while supported and pushed slightly together. Cleavage view vs natural can often be quite different. \nBut under boob cleavage, by very nature of no bra, a “is what you see is what you get” type deal.", ">\n\nIt does, under boob makes me far hornier than regular cleavage", ">\n\nSame, side boob and top boob are regular everyday occurrences. They have become somewhat played out. You can go to a church and you may see some top boob.\nUnder boob is a treat. An occasion. Something special", ">\n\nSide boob is my favorite boob", ">\n\nSide boob when classy. Under boob when casual. This is the scientific formula.", ">\n\nSide, under, top are all OK to be seen these days. My conclusion is ladies who want to show off should just put some pasties on and be done it.", ">\n\nYeah, agreed. Culturally, we’ve created a fetish out of boobs by forcing them to be concealed. It’s a feedback loop… they’re sexualized because they’re hidden, and they’re hidden because they’re sexualized. Gotta break the cycle.", ">\n\nLOL yeah tell that to thousands of years of evolution. They aren't sexualized because they're hidden. But I agree with your overall point.", ">\n\nHave you been to a nude beach, or just a beach outside of America? It becomes normalized very quickly and is nothing more fascinating than a leg. Just like legs can be well formed and attractive, so can boobs, but I don’t believe they are inherently more sexual than other parts of the body we don’t consider provocative.\nI’m surprised you bring up evolution when we can look to modern day tribes where the women are topless and it’s a non-event. Any time you prohibit something, that thing becomes more exciting. If you’re on a diet and not allowed to eat sugar, your first bite of cake in a year will be damn near orgasmic. Cake every day is boring. We love the forbidden and the taboo because we are novelty seekers.", ">\n\nI agree with you to the most part. \nBut i do think there is an evolutionairy element, due to them beeing the deciding factor if a woman will be able to nurture younglings. Sexualisation of them makes no sense in this context, BUT since it is a specific female body-trait, it will remind the male brain to fullfill his destiny", ">\n\nwhat abt lesbians then ? Are they “male brained” because they find tits attractive ?", ">\n\nThey’re usually a little more gradually sloping at the top, allowing for a bit more plausible deniability of exactly where they start. At the bottom it’s bam.", ">\n\nUnder boob and no bra… oh my gawd. What a time to be alive man.", ">\n\nIt’s not necessarily more risqué, but it certainly is more risky. One sudden movement and it’s over 😭", ">\n\nbut u r less like to accidentally flash someone if u just have upper boob cleavage rather than lower", ">\n\nThis is called Australian cleavage.\nBecause it is from down unda", ">\n\nWhat...you totally left out side-boob exposure? Now I'll have to go for a shower myself and give this topic some serious thought.", ">\n\nUnderboob usually means the entire torso is exposed while regular cleavage is just a few inches of chest and neck.", ">\n\nProbably just normalization. Top-of-boob is extremely common whereas bottom-of-boob is more difficulty and so more rare.", ">\n\nI think because it feels FAR less secure than “top cleavage”. Like one upward moving breeze and you’re fucked", ">\n\nHeh", ">\n\nTo show underboob, you’ve got to have your belly out too, no?", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear. Same amount if skin, but one is scandalous for people. Logic.", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear is more about the situation, not the amout of skin showing", ">\n\nAlso they wildly different type of fabric.\nIt's not much different than wearing a speedo becomes wildly less acceptable the further from water you get", ">\n\nMan, freshman year of highschool I took biology. My lab partner was this sophmore hippy chick. more often than not she wore crop tops with no bra. She would stretch by raising her arms way over her head like a dozen times per class and the underboob was glorious. good times.", ">\n\nUmmm missed signs / opportunity?", ">\n\nIt's been too many years to remember to be honest, but I think she had a boyfriend with a car and that was way too intimidating for 14 year old me. \n🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nYou typically only see the bottom of the boob when you can see the entire boob, so that's why I think it's so much more alluring. Way less common to see without also seeing a nipple.", ">\n\nUnderboob cleavage is like dogs watching you eat food waiting for you to drop some. Regular cleavage is dogs seeing food on the counter and knowing they're not allowed up there.", ">\n\nUnder-boob is 1 abrupt movement away from full titties. Normal cleavage needs a full handstand for that.", ">\n\nany woman can look good with top cleavage. only a special few can pull off bottom cleavage", ">\n\nA few? Oh, friend.\nThere are over 350,000 plumbers represented by the United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipefitting Industry of US and Canada!", ">\n\nThey are absolutely NOT the same. Underboob any day. Im also partial to side-tit", ">\n\nUnderboob is more provocative imo.. depending on the occasion it can br very sexy.", ">\n\nIdk man I can get a lot more boob details from under boob. You can kinda tell the size of the boobs from traditional cleavage. But under boob gives so much more info. Are they perky? Do they hang nicely? Are they centered or off to the sides? Are the nipples huge? All of these questions are answered.", ">\n\nI hate Anton levay, but he calls this The Law of the Forbidden.", ">\n\nIf we all wear knee and elbow pads. In a few 100 years or less even. Knees and elbows will become an aphrodisiac. \nSomething to take into account. We want what we can’t have. \nThis is my big argument on drug addiction and that most of addiction stems from the scarcity of drug supply. It’s not like Starbucks where you can get your CNS most times of the day and if Starbucks is close, gas stations got the back up for you CNS.", ">\n\nThere's a complete lack of appreciation for the under-boob in modern society.", ">\n\nUnderboob means no bra which drives our animalistic instincts, normal cleavage can be the result of a push up bra", ">\n\nI think it's hotter look & more realistic for every shape & size to look flattering. Love underboob. 🤙", ">\n\nI only read one mention of side boob.. with side boob, under boob, and cleavage I almost have a complete picture.", ">\n\nYou just reminded me of Channon's nipple window outfit in Transmetropolitan.", ">\n\nUnderboob is the only case of potential energy working in practice", ">\n\nWe don't see underboob on a daily basis, so it's the excitement of different even though it's not that different.", ">\n\nI love underboon. As others have pointed out, it's a less common sight, so it's more of a treat.", ">\n\nKinda like side boob", ">\n\nDon't even get me started on the occasional nipple sighting.", ">\n\nThe answer is gravity. More likely for them to fall out and be completely exposed.", ">\n\nOne has crumbs the other gets sweaty. Both are salty I guess", ">\n\nUnderboob is much more risqué, because then you’ll see my undernipple.", ">\n\nThis is like saying wine in a box is the same as wine in a bottle.", ">\n\nLet’s face it. Most guys are from the dark ages. They’re caveman. They like a woman to be showing her cleavage and under boob cleavage. But for me, a woman looks best when she is just absolutely naked.", ">\n\nI assume it's because of gravity.\nUnderboob has the rounded look that's in right now. The fake boob perky look.\nTop cleavage can with a good bra but gravity guarantees that nice round underboob.", ">\n\nI disagree completely. Tell the girl with under boob and the girl with normal cleavage to jump up and down and notice who slips out first.", ">\n\nThe answer would be me. I'd slip out first.", ">\n\nwhere does side-boob fall in the pantheon of breast visibility? asking for science.", ">\n\nOver < Side < Under.", ">\n\nUnderboob is just more honest, you know there’s no lies and deception there", ">\n\nOkay, I’m a woman and I do not know what what under-boob cleavage is 😂Someone please explain! My assumption is that it is cleavage that is some how developed from wearing like a tube top or something? Am I right? Lol", ">\n\nWhenever I see underboob cleavage all I can think about is boob sweat…😝maybe that’s because “underboob” is the armpit of the boobs…", ">\n\nYou're missing the side boob. Essentially the same thing essentially.", ">\n\nCall me crazy, but as I guy, I prefer underboob more so than the whole boob. And this is primarily when having sex...It just turns me on that much more.", ">\n\nDo you have an example? I’m a little unclear on the point are making.", ">\n\nTry telling Twitch that. Cleavage is fine but underboob gets banned.", ">\n\nYou are categorically seeing more skin if you are getting under boob.", ">\n\nI have this Bikini that shows a lot of under boob. I thought it was sexy. I asked my (then) BF if he likes it and wanted me to wear it. He said NO! He didn’t think it was a sexy as my regular small triangle shaped (on each boob) bikini 👙 top. My Girlfriends came to visit and we were going to the beach and I put on the under boob bikini top and they said “No! That’s too sexy!l”.", ">\n\nIt's essentially the same skin as anywhere else on the body, too.", ">\n\nCan’t believe people care so much about boobs.\nSure; they’re nice. But worth such discussion over? Way to commodify something simple and a bit nice", ">\n\nBecause biology.\nWant to talk about how societal norms and human biology clash in a weird way? Cleavage.", ">\n\nBecause gravity means they might slip off.\nAlso, at least for me as a man and the women I’ve been with, the preference is that they be cupped from the bottom when they intentionally expose themselves to me hahaha. \nI guess they feel supported that way idk feels good to me and them.", ">\n\nI'll take a knee" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nUnderboob implies the possibility of gravity making it full boob", ">\n\nYeah, underboob carries a much higher risk of loss of containment.", ">\n\nand then you get a warp core breach.", ">\n\nStop it, you're overloading my PPS conduits", ">\n\nSounds like someone needs to scrub their plasma manifolds", ">\n\nLet me know if Dax is available", ">\n\nKurzon?", ">\n\nNo, I blame him for Jadzia's death lol", ">\n\nJadzia dies!?", ">\n\nDepends on your definition of \"dies\"", ">\n\nit defines the actual shape of the breast. \nAlso, it’s less common to see. Calves used to be risqué at one time.", ">\n\nYeah baby, show us that ankle\n-Victorian Era bros probably", ">\n\nFun fact: table \"legs\" were deemed potentially too arousing, hence the development of the table skirt.\nVictorian's were fucking weird.", ">\n\nI demand boobs on furniture.", ">\n\nboobs, and a whole lot more", ">\n\nNow that just makes it seem like the victorians were actually justified.", ">\n\nImagine having that hidden under a table skirt in Victorian England.", ">\n\noooh the scandal!", ">\n\nGene Roddenberry once said that when designing costumes for the original Star Trek back in the late 1960s, network censors allowed some top cleavage but forbade - to use your term - “under-boob cleavage.”", ">\n\nInteresting! This is a fascinating confirmation of my hunch.", ">\n\nI have been diagnosed with dementia.", ">\n\nYou know damn well that this is a common bug on reddit.", ">\n\nPerhaps he forgot", ">\n\nTrue. Also, \nGitHub.com/MOABdali/MegaCheckers", ">\n\nThis will make a fine addition to my collection", ">\n\nThis was from before I became a \"professional coder\". I'm a bit better now, so I've begun working on the game from scratch now, utilizing less spaghetti code.", ">\n\ngotta love the underboob. the sight of it is guaranteed to improve your day.", ">\n\nUnless you're at Walmart, and they're hanging over a belt", ">\n\nUnderboobs often comes with a visible tummy. \nIt's a great combo.", ">\n\nThere a sub for that? Asking for me.", ">\n\nThere is definitely an underboob subreddit.", ">\n\nThere are at least two.", ">\n\nAnd my axe!", ">\n\nHow many times have you seen someone's tits fall out a normal cleavage? Coz I haven't? But have you ever seen a girl with an underboob shirt lift her arms? Tits come flying out", ">\n\nOnce. I've seen tits explode out of cleavage, (not on purpose) once. It was my great aunt. She was 76.", ">\n\nI'm so sorry/happy for you that you had to witness this", ">\n\nwhy are you happy bro damn he said she was his 76yo great aunt tf", ">\n\nHey, I said sorry/happy. No clue what he's into", ">\n\nFunny shit", ">\n\nUnder is closer to the nipple so I feel that makes it more risqué.", ">\n\nNot when you’re 40", ">\n\noh yea gimme some of that granny underboob.\nShe's showing underboob cleavage, but its a normal XL shirt", ">\n\nGranny? At 40?", ">\n\nImagine you have a kid at 20. And that kid has a kid at 20. How old are?\nNow have you ever met anyone that had a kid BEFORE 20?... I bet you have.", ">\n\nI know it’s technically possible to be a granny at 40. The vast majority of 40 year olds are not grandmothers however. I’m 40, husband is 43, our kids are 6.", ">\n\nLol well I'm about to hit 37. I know what you're saying. I'm just saying. Lots of grandparents across the globe are our age.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage basically shows that it’s not a bra doing the work and they really ARE that perky/voluminous. Plus lol it’s seen less so is just that more hot.", ">\n\nYeah I was going to say, they actually don’t always show the same thing. Cleavage can show many things, but often times it’s “what they look like while supported and pushed slightly together. Cleavage view vs natural can often be quite different. \nBut under boob cleavage, by very nature of no bra, a “is what you see is what you get” type deal.", ">\n\nIt does, under boob makes me far hornier than regular cleavage", ">\n\nSame, side boob and top boob are regular everyday occurrences. They have become somewhat played out. You can go to a church and you may see some top boob.\nUnder boob is a treat. An occasion. Something special", ">\n\nSide boob is my favorite boob", ">\n\nSide boob when classy. Under boob when casual. This is the scientific formula.", ">\n\nSide, under, top are all OK to be seen these days. My conclusion is ladies who want to show off should just put some pasties on and be done it.", ">\n\nYeah, agreed. Culturally, we’ve created a fetish out of boobs by forcing them to be concealed. It’s a feedback loop… they’re sexualized because they’re hidden, and they’re hidden because they’re sexualized. Gotta break the cycle.", ">\n\nLOL yeah tell that to thousands of years of evolution. They aren't sexualized because they're hidden. But I agree with your overall point.", ">\n\nHave you been to a nude beach, or just a beach outside of America? It becomes normalized very quickly and is nothing more fascinating than a leg. Just like legs can be well formed and attractive, so can boobs, but I don’t believe they are inherently more sexual than other parts of the body we don’t consider provocative.\nI’m surprised you bring up evolution when we can look to modern day tribes where the women are topless and it’s a non-event. Any time you prohibit something, that thing becomes more exciting. If you’re on a diet and not allowed to eat sugar, your first bite of cake in a year will be damn near orgasmic. Cake every day is boring. We love the forbidden and the taboo because we are novelty seekers.", ">\n\nI agree with you to the most part. \nBut i do think there is an evolutionairy element, due to them beeing the deciding factor if a woman will be able to nurture younglings. Sexualisation of them makes no sense in this context, BUT since it is a specific female body-trait, it will remind the male brain to fullfill his destiny", ">\n\nwhat abt lesbians then ? Are they “male brained” because they find tits attractive ?", ">\n\nThey’re usually a little more gradually sloping at the top, allowing for a bit more plausible deniability of exactly where they start. At the bottom it’s bam.", ">\n\nUnder boob and no bra… oh my gawd. What a time to be alive man.", ">\n\nIt’s not necessarily more risqué, but it certainly is more risky. One sudden movement and it’s over 😭", ">\n\nbut u r less like to accidentally flash someone if u just have upper boob cleavage rather than lower", ">\n\nThis is called Australian cleavage.\nBecause it is from down unda", ">\n\nWhat...you totally left out side-boob exposure? Now I'll have to go for a shower myself and give this topic some serious thought.", ">\n\nUnderboob usually means the entire torso is exposed while regular cleavage is just a few inches of chest and neck.", ">\n\nProbably just normalization. Top-of-boob is extremely common whereas bottom-of-boob is more difficulty and so more rare.", ">\n\nI think because it feels FAR less secure than “top cleavage”. Like one upward moving breeze and you’re fucked", ">\n\nHeh", ">\n\nTo show underboob, you’ve got to have your belly out too, no?", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear. Same amount if skin, but one is scandalous for people. Logic.", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear is more about the situation, not the amout of skin showing", ">\n\nAlso they wildly different type of fabric.\nIt's not much different than wearing a speedo becomes wildly less acceptable the further from water you get", ">\n\nMan, freshman year of highschool I took biology. My lab partner was this sophmore hippy chick. more often than not she wore crop tops with no bra. She would stretch by raising her arms way over her head like a dozen times per class and the underboob was glorious. good times.", ">\n\nUmmm missed signs / opportunity?", ">\n\nIt's been too many years to remember to be honest, but I think she had a boyfriend with a car and that was way too intimidating for 14 year old me. \n🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nYou typically only see the bottom of the boob when you can see the entire boob, so that's why I think it's so much more alluring. Way less common to see without also seeing a nipple.", ">\n\nUnderboob cleavage is like dogs watching you eat food waiting for you to drop some. Regular cleavage is dogs seeing food on the counter and knowing they're not allowed up there.", ">\n\nUnder-boob is 1 abrupt movement away from full titties. Normal cleavage needs a full handstand for that.", ">\n\nany woman can look good with top cleavage. only a special few can pull off bottom cleavage", ">\n\nA few? Oh, friend.\nThere are over 350,000 plumbers represented by the United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipefitting Industry of US and Canada!", ">\n\nThey are absolutely NOT the same. Underboob any day. Im also partial to side-tit", ">\n\nUnderboob is more provocative imo.. depending on the occasion it can br very sexy.", ">\n\nIdk man I can get a lot more boob details from under boob. You can kinda tell the size of the boobs from traditional cleavage. But under boob gives so much more info. Are they perky? Do they hang nicely? Are they centered or off to the sides? Are the nipples huge? All of these questions are answered.", ">\n\nI hate Anton levay, but he calls this The Law of the Forbidden.", ">\n\nIf we all wear knee and elbow pads. In a few 100 years or less even. Knees and elbows will become an aphrodisiac. \nSomething to take into account. We want what we can’t have. \nThis is my big argument on drug addiction and that most of addiction stems from the scarcity of drug supply. It’s not like Starbucks where you can get your CNS most times of the day and if Starbucks is close, gas stations got the back up for you CNS.", ">\n\nThere's a complete lack of appreciation for the under-boob in modern society.", ">\n\nUnderboob means no bra which drives our animalistic instincts, normal cleavage can be the result of a push up bra", ">\n\nI think it's hotter look & more realistic for every shape & size to look flattering. Love underboob. 🤙", ">\n\nI only read one mention of side boob.. with side boob, under boob, and cleavage I almost have a complete picture.", ">\n\nYou just reminded me of Channon's nipple window outfit in Transmetropolitan.", ">\n\nUnderboob is the only case of potential energy working in practice", ">\n\nWe don't see underboob on a daily basis, so it's the excitement of different even though it's not that different.", ">\n\nI love underboon. As others have pointed out, it's a less common sight, so it's more of a treat.", ">\n\nKinda like side boob", ">\n\nDon't even get me started on the occasional nipple sighting.", ">\n\nThe answer is gravity. More likely for them to fall out and be completely exposed.", ">\n\nOne has crumbs the other gets sweaty. Both are salty I guess", ">\n\nUnderboob is much more risqué, because then you’ll see my undernipple.", ">\n\nThis is like saying wine in a box is the same as wine in a bottle.", ">\n\nLet’s face it. Most guys are from the dark ages. They’re caveman. They like a woman to be showing her cleavage and under boob cleavage. But for me, a woman looks best when she is just absolutely naked.", ">\n\nI assume it's because of gravity.\nUnderboob has the rounded look that's in right now. The fake boob perky look.\nTop cleavage can with a good bra but gravity guarantees that nice round underboob.", ">\n\nI disagree completely. Tell the girl with under boob and the girl with normal cleavage to jump up and down and notice who slips out first.", ">\n\nThe answer would be me. I'd slip out first.", ">\n\nwhere does side-boob fall in the pantheon of breast visibility? asking for science.", ">\n\nOver < Side < Under.", ">\n\nUnderboob is just more honest, you know there’s no lies and deception there", ">\n\nOkay, I’m a woman and I do not know what what under-boob cleavage is 😂Someone please explain! My assumption is that it is cleavage that is some how developed from wearing like a tube top or something? Am I right? Lol", ">\n\nWhenever I see underboob cleavage all I can think about is boob sweat…😝maybe that’s because “underboob” is the armpit of the boobs…", ">\n\nYou're missing the side boob. Essentially the same thing essentially.", ">\n\nCall me crazy, but as I guy, I prefer underboob more so than the whole boob. And this is primarily when having sex...It just turns me on that much more.", ">\n\nDo you have an example? I’m a little unclear on the point are making.", ">\n\nTry telling Twitch that. Cleavage is fine but underboob gets banned.", ">\n\nYou are categorically seeing more skin if you are getting under boob.", ">\n\nI have this Bikini that shows a lot of under boob. I thought it was sexy. I asked my (then) BF if he likes it and wanted me to wear it. He said NO! He didn’t think it was a sexy as my regular small triangle shaped (on each boob) bikini 👙 top. My Girlfriends came to visit and we were going to the beach and I put on the under boob bikini top and they said “No! That’s too sexy!l”.", ">\n\nIt's essentially the same skin as anywhere else on the body, too.", ">\n\nCan’t believe people care so much about boobs.\nSure; they’re nice. But worth such discussion over? Way to commodify something simple and a bit nice", ">\n\nBecause biology.\nWant to talk about how societal norms and human biology clash in a weird way? Cleavage.", ">\n\nBecause gravity means they might slip off.\nAlso, at least for me as a man and the women I’ve been with, the preference is that they be cupped from the bottom when they intentionally expose themselves to me hahaha. \nI guess they feel supported that way idk feels good to me and them.", ">\n\nI'll take a knee", ">\n\nAlso usually means no bra is there" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nUnderboob implies the possibility of gravity making it full boob", ">\n\nYeah, underboob carries a much higher risk of loss of containment.", ">\n\nand then you get a warp core breach.", ">\n\nStop it, you're overloading my PPS conduits", ">\n\nSounds like someone needs to scrub their plasma manifolds", ">\n\nLet me know if Dax is available", ">\n\nKurzon?", ">\n\nNo, I blame him for Jadzia's death lol", ">\n\nJadzia dies!?", ">\n\nDepends on your definition of \"dies\"", ">\n\nit defines the actual shape of the breast. \nAlso, it’s less common to see. Calves used to be risqué at one time.", ">\n\nYeah baby, show us that ankle\n-Victorian Era bros probably", ">\n\nFun fact: table \"legs\" were deemed potentially too arousing, hence the development of the table skirt.\nVictorian's were fucking weird.", ">\n\nI demand boobs on furniture.", ">\n\nboobs, and a whole lot more", ">\n\nNow that just makes it seem like the victorians were actually justified.", ">\n\nImagine having that hidden under a table skirt in Victorian England.", ">\n\noooh the scandal!", ">\n\nGene Roddenberry once said that when designing costumes for the original Star Trek back in the late 1960s, network censors allowed some top cleavage but forbade - to use your term - “under-boob cleavage.”", ">\n\nInteresting! This is a fascinating confirmation of my hunch.", ">\n\nI have been diagnosed with dementia.", ">\n\nYou know damn well that this is a common bug on reddit.", ">\n\nPerhaps he forgot", ">\n\nTrue. Also, \nGitHub.com/MOABdali/MegaCheckers", ">\n\nThis will make a fine addition to my collection", ">\n\nThis was from before I became a \"professional coder\". I'm a bit better now, so I've begun working on the game from scratch now, utilizing less spaghetti code.", ">\n\ngotta love the underboob. the sight of it is guaranteed to improve your day.", ">\n\nUnless you're at Walmart, and they're hanging over a belt", ">\n\nUnderboobs often comes with a visible tummy. \nIt's a great combo.", ">\n\nThere a sub for that? Asking for me.", ">\n\nThere is definitely an underboob subreddit.", ">\n\nThere are at least two.", ">\n\nAnd my axe!", ">\n\nHow many times have you seen someone's tits fall out a normal cleavage? Coz I haven't? But have you ever seen a girl with an underboob shirt lift her arms? Tits come flying out", ">\n\nOnce. I've seen tits explode out of cleavage, (not on purpose) once. It was my great aunt. She was 76.", ">\n\nI'm so sorry/happy for you that you had to witness this", ">\n\nwhy are you happy bro damn he said she was his 76yo great aunt tf", ">\n\nHey, I said sorry/happy. No clue what he's into", ">\n\nFunny shit", ">\n\nUnder is closer to the nipple so I feel that makes it more risqué.", ">\n\nNot when you’re 40", ">\n\noh yea gimme some of that granny underboob.\nShe's showing underboob cleavage, but its a normal XL shirt", ">\n\nGranny? At 40?", ">\n\nImagine you have a kid at 20. And that kid has a kid at 20. How old are?\nNow have you ever met anyone that had a kid BEFORE 20?... I bet you have.", ">\n\nI know it’s technically possible to be a granny at 40. The vast majority of 40 year olds are not grandmothers however. I’m 40, husband is 43, our kids are 6.", ">\n\nLol well I'm about to hit 37. I know what you're saying. I'm just saying. Lots of grandparents across the globe are our age.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage basically shows that it’s not a bra doing the work and they really ARE that perky/voluminous. Plus lol it’s seen less so is just that more hot.", ">\n\nYeah I was going to say, they actually don’t always show the same thing. Cleavage can show many things, but often times it’s “what they look like while supported and pushed slightly together. Cleavage view vs natural can often be quite different. \nBut under boob cleavage, by very nature of no bra, a “is what you see is what you get” type deal.", ">\n\nIt does, under boob makes me far hornier than regular cleavage", ">\n\nSame, side boob and top boob are regular everyday occurrences. They have become somewhat played out. You can go to a church and you may see some top boob.\nUnder boob is a treat. An occasion. Something special", ">\n\nSide boob is my favorite boob", ">\n\nSide boob when classy. Under boob when casual. This is the scientific formula.", ">\n\nSide, under, top are all OK to be seen these days. My conclusion is ladies who want to show off should just put some pasties on and be done it.", ">\n\nYeah, agreed. Culturally, we’ve created a fetish out of boobs by forcing them to be concealed. It’s a feedback loop… they’re sexualized because they’re hidden, and they’re hidden because they’re sexualized. Gotta break the cycle.", ">\n\nLOL yeah tell that to thousands of years of evolution. They aren't sexualized because they're hidden. But I agree with your overall point.", ">\n\nHave you been to a nude beach, or just a beach outside of America? It becomes normalized very quickly and is nothing more fascinating than a leg. Just like legs can be well formed and attractive, so can boobs, but I don’t believe they are inherently more sexual than other parts of the body we don’t consider provocative.\nI’m surprised you bring up evolution when we can look to modern day tribes where the women are topless and it’s a non-event. Any time you prohibit something, that thing becomes more exciting. If you’re on a diet and not allowed to eat sugar, your first bite of cake in a year will be damn near orgasmic. Cake every day is boring. We love the forbidden and the taboo because we are novelty seekers.", ">\n\nI agree with you to the most part. \nBut i do think there is an evolutionairy element, due to them beeing the deciding factor if a woman will be able to nurture younglings. Sexualisation of them makes no sense in this context, BUT since it is a specific female body-trait, it will remind the male brain to fullfill his destiny", ">\n\nwhat abt lesbians then ? Are they “male brained” because they find tits attractive ?", ">\n\nThey’re usually a little more gradually sloping at the top, allowing for a bit more plausible deniability of exactly where they start. At the bottom it’s bam.", ">\n\nUnder boob and no bra… oh my gawd. What a time to be alive man.", ">\n\nIt’s not necessarily more risqué, but it certainly is more risky. One sudden movement and it’s over 😭", ">\n\nbut u r less like to accidentally flash someone if u just have upper boob cleavage rather than lower", ">\n\nThis is called Australian cleavage.\nBecause it is from down unda", ">\n\nWhat...you totally left out side-boob exposure? Now I'll have to go for a shower myself and give this topic some serious thought.", ">\n\nUnderboob usually means the entire torso is exposed while regular cleavage is just a few inches of chest and neck.", ">\n\nProbably just normalization. Top-of-boob is extremely common whereas bottom-of-boob is more difficulty and so more rare.", ">\n\nI think because it feels FAR less secure than “top cleavage”. Like one upward moving breeze and you’re fucked", ">\n\nHeh", ">\n\nTo show underboob, you’ve got to have your belly out too, no?", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear. Same amount if skin, but one is scandalous for people. Logic.", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear is more about the situation, not the amout of skin showing", ">\n\nAlso they wildly different type of fabric.\nIt's not much different than wearing a speedo becomes wildly less acceptable the further from water you get", ">\n\nMan, freshman year of highschool I took biology. My lab partner was this sophmore hippy chick. more often than not she wore crop tops with no bra. She would stretch by raising her arms way over her head like a dozen times per class and the underboob was glorious. good times.", ">\n\nUmmm missed signs / opportunity?", ">\n\nIt's been too many years to remember to be honest, but I think she had a boyfriend with a car and that was way too intimidating for 14 year old me. \n🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nYou typically only see the bottom of the boob when you can see the entire boob, so that's why I think it's so much more alluring. Way less common to see without also seeing a nipple.", ">\n\nUnderboob cleavage is like dogs watching you eat food waiting for you to drop some. Regular cleavage is dogs seeing food on the counter and knowing they're not allowed up there.", ">\n\nUnder-boob is 1 abrupt movement away from full titties. Normal cleavage needs a full handstand for that.", ">\n\nany woman can look good with top cleavage. only a special few can pull off bottom cleavage", ">\n\nA few? Oh, friend.\nThere are over 350,000 plumbers represented by the United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipefitting Industry of US and Canada!", ">\n\nThey are absolutely NOT the same. Underboob any day. Im also partial to side-tit", ">\n\nUnderboob is more provocative imo.. depending on the occasion it can br very sexy.", ">\n\nIdk man I can get a lot more boob details from under boob. You can kinda tell the size of the boobs from traditional cleavage. But under boob gives so much more info. Are they perky? Do they hang nicely? Are they centered or off to the sides? Are the nipples huge? All of these questions are answered.", ">\n\nI hate Anton levay, but he calls this The Law of the Forbidden.", ">\n\nIf we all wear knee and elbow pads. In a few 100 years or less even. Knees and elbows will become an aphrodisiac. \nSomething to take into account. We want what we can’t have. \nThis is my big argument on drug addiction and that most of addiction stems from the scarcity of drug supply. It’s not like Starbucks where you can get your CNS most times of the day and if Starbucks is close, gas stations got the back up for you CNS.", ">\n\nThere's a complete lack of appreciation for the under-boob in modern society.", ">\n\nUnderboob means no bra which drives our animalistic instincts, normal cleavage can be the result of a push up bra", ">\n\nI think it's hotter look & more realistic for every shape & size to look flattering. Love underboob. 🤙", ">\n\nI only read one mention of side boob.. with side boob, under boob, and cleavage I almost have a complete picture.", ">\n\nYou just reminded me of Channon's nipple window outfit in Transmetropolitan.", ">\n\nUnderboob is the only case of potential energy working in practice", ">\n\nWe don't see underboob on a daily basis, so it's the excitement of different even though it's not that different.", ">\n\nI love underboon. As others have pointed out, it's a less common sight, so it's more of a treat.", ">\n\nKinda like side boob", ">\n\nDon't even get me started on the occasional nipple sighting.", ">\n\nThe answer is gravity. More likely for them to fall out and be completely exposed.", ">\n\nOne has crumbs the other gets sweaty. Both are salty I guess", ">\n\nUnderboob is much more risqué, because then you’ll see my undernipple.", ">\n\nThis is like saying wine in a box is the same as wine in a bottle.", ">\n\nLet’s face it. Most guys are from the dark ages. They’re caveman. They like a woman to be showing her cleavage and under boob cleavage. But for me, a woman looks best when she is just absolutely naked.", ">\n\nI assume it's because of gravity.\nUnderboob has the rounded look that's in right now. The fake boob perky look.\nTop cleavage can with a good bra but gravity guarantees that nice round underboob.", ">\n\nI disagree completely. Tell the girl with under boob and the girl with normal cleavage to jump up and down and notice who slips out first.", ">\n\nThe answer would be me. I'd slip out first.", ">\n\nwhere does side-boob fall in the pantheon of breast visibility? asking for science.", ">\n\nOver < Side < Under.", ">\n\nUnderboob is just more honest, you know there’s no lies and deception there", ">\n\nOkay, I’m a woman and I do not know what what under-boob cleavage is 😂Someone please explain! My assumption is that it is cleavage that is some how developed from wearing like a tube top or something? Am I right? Lol", ">\n\nWhenever I see underboob cleavage all I can think about is boob sweat…😝maybe that’s because “underboob” is the armpit of the boobs…", ">\n\nYou're missing the side boob. Essentially the same thing essentially.", ">\n\nCall me crazy, but as I guy, I prefer underboob more so than the whole boob. And this is primarily when having sex...It just turns me on that much more.", ">\n\nDo you have an example? I’m a little unclear on the point are making.", ">\n\nTry telling Twitch that. Cleavage is fine but underboob gets banned.", ">\n\nYou are categorically seeing more skin if you are getting under boob.", ">\n\nI have this Bikini that shows a lot of under boob. I thought it was sexy. I asked my (then) BF if he likes it and wanted me to wear it. He said NO! He didn’t think it was a sexy as my regular small triangle shaped (on each boob) bikini 👙 top. My Girlfriends came to visit and we were going to the beach and I put on the under boob bikini top and they said “No! That’s too sexy!l”.", ">\n\nIt's essentially the same skin as anywhere else on the body, too.", ">\n\nCan’t believe people care so much about boobs.\nSure; they’re nice. But worth such discussion over? Way to commodify something simple and a bit nice", ">\n\nBecause biology.\nWant to talk about how societal norms and human biology clash in a weird way? Cleavage.", ">\n\nBecause gravity means they might slip off.\nAlso, at least for me as a man and the women I’ve been with, the preference is that they be cupped from the bottom when they intentionally expose themselves to me hahaha. \nI guess they feel supported that way idk feels good to me and them.", ">\n\nI'll take a knee", ">\n\nAlso usually means no bra is there", ">\n\nIt's also that you're getting teased, instead of just being shown everything." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nUnderboob implies the possibility of gravity making it full boob", ">\n\nYeah, underboob carries a much higher risk of loss of containment.", ">\n\nand then you get a warp core breach.", ">\n\nStop it, you're overloading my PPS conduits", ">\n\nSounds like someone needs to scrub their plasma manifolds", ">\n\nLet me know if Dax is available", ">\n\nKurzon?", ">\n\nNo, I blame him for Jadzia's death lol", ">\n\nJadzia dies!?", ">\n\nDepends on your definition of \"dies\"", ">\n\nit defines the actual shape of the breast. \nAlso, it’s less common to see. Calves used to be risqué at one time.", ">\n\nYeah baby, show us that ankle\n-Victorian Era bros probably", ">\n\nFun fact: table \"legs\" were deemed potentially too arousing, hence the development of the table skirt.\nVictorian's were fucking weird.", ">\n\nI demand boobs on furniture.", ">\n\nboobs, and a whole lot more", ">\n\nNow that just makes it seem like the victorians were actually justified.", ">\n\nImagine having that hidden under a table skirt in Victorian England.", ">\n\noooh the scandal!", ">\n\nGene Roddenberry once said that when designing costumes for the original Star Trek back in the late 1960s, network censors allowed some top cleavage but forbade - to use your term - “under-boob cleavage.”", ">\n\nInteresting! This is a fascinating confirmation of my hunch.", ">\n\nI have been diagnosed with dementia.", ">\n\nYou know damn well that this is a common bug on reddit.", ">\n\nPerhaps he forgot", ">\n\nTrue. Also, \nGitHub.com/MOABdali/MegaCheckers", ">\n\nThis will make a fine addition to my collection", ">\n\nThis was from before I became a \"professional coder\". I'm a bit better now, so I've begun working on the game from scratch now, utilizing less spaghetti code.", ">\n\ngotta love the underboob. the sight of it is guaranteed to improve your day.", ">\n\nUnless you're at Walmart, and they're hanging over a belt", ">\n\nUnderboobs often comes with a visible tummy. \nIt's a great combo.", ">\n\nThere a sub for that? Asking for me.", ">\n\nThere is definitely an underboob subreddit.", ">\n\nThere are at least two.", ">\n\nAnd my axe!", ">\n\nHow many times have you seen someone's tits fall out a normal cleavage? Coz I haven't? But have you ever seen a girl with an underboob shirt lift her arms? Tits come flying out", ">\n\nOnce. I've seen tits explode out of cleavage, (not on purpose) once. It was my great aunt. She was 76.", ">\n\nI'm so sorry/happy for you that you had to witness this", ">\n\nwhy are you happy bro damn he said she was his 76yo great aunt tf", ">\n\nHey, I said sorry/happy. No clue what he's into", ">\n\nFunny shit", ">\n\nUnder is closer to the nipple so I feel that makes it more risqué.", ">\n\nNot when you’re 40", ">\n\noh yea gimme some of that granny underboob.\nShe's showing underboob cleavage, but its a normal XL shirt", ">\n\nGranny? At 40?", ">\n\nImagine you have a kid at 20. And that kid has a kid at 20. How old are?\nNow have you ever met anyone that had a kid BEFORE 20?... I bet you have.", ">\n\nI know it’s technically possible to be a granny at 40. The vast majority of 40 year olds are not grandmothers however. I’m 40, husband is 43, our kids are 6.", ">\n\nLol well I'm about to hit 37. I know what you're saying. I'm just saying. Lots of grandparents across the globe are our age.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage basically shows that it’s not a bra doing the work and they really ARE that perky/voluminous. Plus lol it’s seen less so is just that more hot.", ">\n\nYeah I was going to say, they actually don’t always show the same thing. Cleavage can show many things, but often times it’s “what they look like while supported and pushed slightly together. Cleavage view vs natural can often be quite different. \nBut under boob cleavage, by very nature of no bra, a “is what you see is what you get” type deal.", ">\n\nIt does, under boob makes me far hornier than regular cleavage", ">\n\nSame, side boob and top boob are regular everyday occurrences. They have become somewhat played out. You can go to a church and you may see some top boob.\nUnder boob is a treat. An occasion. Something special", ">\n\nSide boob is my favorite boob", ">\n\nSide boob when classy. Under boob when casual. This is the scientific formula.", ">\n\nSide, under, top are all OK to be seen these days. My conclusion is ladies who want to show off should just put some pasties on and be done it.", ">\n\nYeah, agreed. Culturally, we’ve created a fetish out of boobs by forcing them to be concealed. It’s a feedback loop… they’re sexualized because they’re hidden, and they’re hidden because they’re sexualized. Gotta break the cycle.", ">\n\nLOL yeah tell that to thousands of years of evolution. They aren't sexualized because they're hidden. But I agree with your overall point.", ">\n\nHave you been to a nude beach, or just a beach outside of America? It becomes normalized very quickly and is nothing more fascinating than a leg. Just like legs can be well formed and attractive, so can boobs, but I don’t believe they are inherently more sexual than other parts of the body we don’t consider provocative.\nI’m surprised you bring up evolution when we can look to modern day tribes where the women are topless and it’s a non-event. Any time you prohibit something, that thing becomes more exciting. If you’re on a diet and not allowed to eat sugar, your first bite of cake in a year will be damn near orgasmic. Cake every day is boring. We love the forbidden and the taboo because we are novelty seekers.", ">\n\nI agree with you to the most part. \nBut i do think there is an evolutionairy element, due to them beeing the deciding factor if a woman will be able to nurture younglings. Sexualisation of them makes no sense in this context, BUT since it is a specific female body-trait, it will remind the male brain to fullfill his destiny", ">\n\nwhat abt lesbians then ? Are they “male brained” because they find tits attractive ?", ">\n\nThey’re usually a little more gradually sloping at the top, allowing for a bit more plausible deniability of exactly where they start. At the bottom it’s bam.", ">\n\nUnder boob and no bra… oh my gawd. What a time to be alive man.", ">\n\nIt’s not necessarily more risqué, but it certainly is more risky. One sudden movement and it’s over 😭", ">\n\nbut u r less like to accidentally flash someone if u just have upper boob cleavage rather than lower", ">\n\nThis is called Australian cleavage.\nBecause it is from down unda", ">\n\nWhat...you totally left out side-boob exposure? Now I'll have to go for a shower myself and give this topic some serious thought.", ">\n\nUnderboob usually means the entire torso is exposed while regular cleavage is just a few inches of chest and neck.", ">\n\nProbably just normalization. Top-of-boob is extremely common whereas bottom-of-boob is more difficulty and so more rare.", ">\n\nI think because it feels FAR less secure than “top cleavage”. Like one upward moving breeze and you’re fucked", ">\n\nHeh", ">\n\nTo show underboob, you’ve got to have your belly out too, no?", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear. Same amount if skin, but one is scandalous for people. Logic.", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear is more about the situation, not the amout of skin showing", ">\n\nAlso they wildly different type of fabric.\nIt's not much different than wearing a speedo becomes wildly less acceptable the further from water you get", ">\n\nMan, freshman year of highschool I took biology. My lab partner was this sophmore hippy chick. more often than not she wore crop tops with no bra. She would stretch by raising her arms way over her head like a dozen times per class and the underboob was glorious. good times.", ">\n\nUmmm missed signs / opportunity?", ">\n\nIt's been too many years to remember to be honest, but I think she had a boyfriend with a car and that was way too intimidating for 14 year old me. \n🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nYou typically only see the bottom of the boob when you can see the entire boob, so that's why I think it's so much more alluring. Way less common to see without also seeing a nipple.", ">\n\nUnderboob cleavage is like dogs watching you eat food waiting for you to drop some. Regular cleavage is dogs seeing food on the counter and knowing they're not allowed up there.", ">\n\nUnder-boob is 1 abrupt movement away from full titties. Normal cleavage needs a full handstand for that.", ">\n\nany woman can look good with top cleavage. only a special few can pull off bottom cleavage", ">\n\nA few? Oh, friend.\nThere are over 350,000 plumbers represented by the United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipefitting Industry of US and Canada!", ">\n\nThey are absolutely NOT the same. Underboob any day. Im also partial to side-tit", ">\n\nUnderboob is more provocative imo.. depending on the occasion it can br very sexy.", ">\n\nIdk man I can get a lot more boob details from under boob. You can kinda tell the size of the boobs from traditional cleavage. But under boob gives so much more info. Are they perky? Do they hang nicely? Are they centered or off to the sides? Are the nipples huge? All of these questions are answered.", ">\n\nI hate Anton levay, but he calls this The Law of the Forbidden.", ">\n\nIf we all wear knee and elbow pads. In a few 100 years or less even. Knees and elbows will become an aphrodisiac. \nSomething to take into account. We want what we can’t have. \nThis is my big argument on drug addiction and that most of addiction stems from the scarcity of drug supply. It’s not like Starbucks where you can get your CNS most times of the day and if Starbucks is close, gas stations got the back up for you CNS.", ">\n\nThere's a complete lack of appreciation for the under-boob in modern society.", ">\n\nUnderboob means no bra which drives our animalistic instincts, normal cleavage can be the result of a push up bra", ">\n\nI think it's hotter look & more realistic for every shape & size to look flattering. Love underboob. 🤙", ">\n\nI only read one mention of side boob.. with side boob, under boob, and cleavage I almost have a complete picture.", ">\n\nYou just reminded me of Channon's nipple window outfit in Transmetropolitan.", ">\n\nUnderboob is the only case of potential energy working in practice", ">\n\nWe don't see underboob on a daily basis, so it's the excitement of different even though it's not that different.", ">\n\nI love underboon. As others have pointed out, it's a less common sight, so it's more of a treat.", ">\n\nKinda like side boob", ">\n\nDon't even get me started on the occasional nipple sighting.", ">\n\nThe answer is gravity. More likely for them to fall out and be completely exposed.", ">\n\nOne has crumbs the other gets sweaty. Both are salty I guess", ">\n\nUnderboob is much more risqué, because then you’ll see my undernipple.", ">\n\nThis is like saying wine in a box is the same as wine in a bottle.", ">\n\nLet’s face it. Most guys are from the dark ages. They’re caveman. They like a woman to be showing her cleavage and under boob cleavage. But for me, a woman looks best when she is just absolutely naked.", ">\n\nI assume it's because of gravity.\nUnderboob has the rounded look that's in right now. The fake boob perky look.\nTop cleavage can with a good bra but gravity guarantees that nice round underboob.", ">\n\nI disagree completely. Tell the girl with under boob and the girl with normal cleavage to jump up and down and notice who slips out first.", ">\n\nThe answer would be me. I'd slip out first.", ">\n\nwhere does side-boob fall in the pantheon of breast visibility? asking for science.", ">\n\nOver < Side < Under.", ">\n\nUnderboob is just more honest, you know there’s no lies and deception there", ">\n\nOkay, I’m a woman and I do not know what what under-boob cleavage is 😂Someone please explain! My assumption is that it is cleavage that is some how developed from wearing like a tube top or something? Am I right? Lol", ">\n\nWhenever I see underboob cleavage all I can think about is boob sweat…😝maybe that’s because “underboob” is the armpit of the boobs…", ">\n\nYou're missing the side boob. Essentially the same thing essentially.", ">\n\nCall me crazy, but as I guy, I prefer underboob more so than the whole boob. And this is primarily when having sex...It just turns me on that much more.", ">\n\nDo you have an example? I’m a little unclear on the point are making.", ">\n\nTry telling Twitch that. Cleavage is fine but underboob gets banned.", ">\n\nYou are categorically seeing more skin if you are getting under boob.", ">\n\nI have this Bikini that shows a lot of under boob. I thought it was sexy. I asked my (then) BF if he likes it and wanted me to wear it. He said NO! He didn’t think it was a sexy as my regular small triangle shaped (on each boob) bikini 👙 top. My Girlfriends came to visit and we were going to the beach and I put on the under boob bikini top and they said “No! That’s too sexy!l”.", ">\n\nIt's essentially the same skin as anywhere else on the body, too.", ">\n\nCan’t believe people care so much about boobs.\nSure; they’re nice. But worth such discussion over? Way to commodify something simple and a bit nice", ">\n\nBecause biology.\nWant to talk about how societal norms and human biology clash in a weird way? Cleavage.", ">\n\nBecause gravity means they might slip off.\nAlso, at least for me as a man and the women I’ve been with, the preference is that they be cupped from the bottom when they intentionally expose themselves to me hahaha. \nI guess they feel supported that way idk feels good to me and them.", ">\n\nI'll take a knee", ">\n\nAlso usually means no bra is there", ">\n\nIt's also that you're getting teased, instead of just being shown everything.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage is illegal in my city (in California). It is in the ordinance prohibiting women being topless in public." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nUnderboob implies the possibility of gravity making it full boob", ">\n\nYeah, underboob carries a much higher risk of loss of containment.", ">\n\nand then you get a warp core breach.", ">\n\nStop it, you're overloading my PPS conduits", ">\n\nSounds like someone needs to scrub their plasma manifolds", ">\n\nLet me know if Dax is available", ">\n\nKurzon?", ">\n\nNo, I blame him for Jadzia's death lol", ">\n\nJadzia dies!?", ">\n\nDepends on your definition of \"dies\"", ">\n\nit defines the actual shape of the breast. \nAlso, it’s less common to see. Calves used to be risqué at one time.", ">\n\nYeah baby, show us that ankle\n-Victorian Era bros probably", ">\n\nFun fact: table \"legs\" were deemed potentially too arousing, hence the development of the table skirt.\nVictorian's were fucking weird.", ">\n\nI demand boobs on furniture.", ">\n\nboobs, and a whole lot more", ">\n\nNow that just makes it seem like the victorians were actually justified.", ">\n\nImagine having that hidden under a table skirt in Victorian England.", ">\n\noooh the scandal!", ">\n\nGene Roddenberry once said that when designing costumes for the original Star Trek back in the late 1960s, network censors allowed some top cleavage but forbade - to use your term - “under-boob cleavage.”", ">\n\nInteresting! This is a fascinating confirmation of my hunch.", ">\n\nI have been diagnosed with dementia.", ">\n\nYou know damn well that this is a common bug on reddit.", ">\n\nPerhaps he forgot", ">\n\nTrue. Also, \nGitHub.com/MOABdali/MegaCheckers", ">\n\nThis will make a fine addition to my collection", ">\n\nThis was from before I became a \"professional coder\". I'm a bit better now, so I've begun working on the game from scratch now, utilizing less spaghetti code.", ">\n\ngotta love the underboob. the sight of it is guaranteed to improve your day.", ">\n\nUnless you're at Walmart, and they're hanging over a belt", ">\n\nUnderboobs often comes with a visible tummy. \nIt's a great combo.", ">\n\nThere a sub for that? Asking for me.", ">\n\nThere is definitely an underboob subreddit.", ">\n\nThere are at least two.", ">\n\nAnd my axe!", ">\n\nHow many times have you seen someone's tits fall out a normal cleavage? Coz I haven't? But have you ever seen a girl with an underboob shirt lift her arms? Tits come flying out", ">\n\nOnce. I've seen tits explode out of cleavage, (not on purpose) once. It was my great aunt. She was 76.", ">\n\nI'm so sorry/happy for you that you had to witness this", ">\n\nwhy are you happy bro damn he said she was his 76yo great aunt tf", ">\n\nHey, I said sorry/happy. No clue what he's into", ">\n\nFunny shit", ">\n\nUnder is closer to the nipple so I feel that makes it more risqué.", ">\n\nNot when you’re 40", ">\n\noh yea gimme some of that granny underboob.\nShe's showing underboob cleavage, but its a normal XL shirt", ">\n\nGranny? At 40?", ">\n\nImagine you have a kid at 20. And that kid has a kid at 20. How old are?\nNow have you ever met anyone that had a kid BEFORE 20?... I bet you have.", ">\n\nI know it’s technically possible to be a granny at 40. The vast majority of 40 year olds are not grandmothers however. I’m 40, husband is 43, our kids are 6.", ">\n\nLol well I'm about to hit 37. I know what you're saying. I'm just saying. Lots of grandparents across the globe are our age.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage basically shows that it’s not a bra doing the work and they really ARE that perky/voluminous. Plus lol it’s seen less so is just that more hot.", ">\n\nYeah I was going to say, they actually don’t always show the same thing. Cleavage can show many things, but often times it’s “what they look like while supported and pushed slightly together. Cleavage view vs natural can often be quite different. \nBut under boob cleavage, by very nature of no bra, a “is what you see is what you get” type deal.", ">\n\nIt does, under boob makes me far hornier than regular cleavage", ">\n\nSame, side boob and top boob are regular everyday occurrences. They have become somewhat played out. You can go to a church and you may see some top boob.\nUnder boob is a treat. An occasion. Something special", ">\n\nSide boob is my favorite boob", ">\n\nSide boob when classy. Under boob when casual. This is the scientific formula.", ">\n\nSide, under, top are all OK to be seen these days. My conclusion is ladies who want to show off should just put some pasties on and be done it.", ">\n\nYeah, agreed. Culturally, we’ve created a fetish out of boobs by forcing them to be concealed. It’s a feedback loop… they’re sexualized because they’re hidden, and they’re hidden because they’re sexualized. Gotta break the cycle.", ">\n\nLOL yeah tell that to thousands of years of evolution. They aren't sexualized because they're hidden. But I agree with your overall point.", ">\n\nHave you been to a nude beach, or just a beach outside of America? It becomes normalized very quickly and is nothing more fascinating than a leg. Just like legs can be well formed and attractive, so can boobs, but I don’t believe they are inherently more sexual than other parts of the body we don’t consider provocative.\nI’m surprised you bring up evolution when we can look to modern day tribes where the women are topless and it’s a non-event. Any time you prohibit something, that thing becomes more exciting. If you’re on a diet and not allowed to eat sugar, your first bite of cake in a year will be damn near orgasmic. Cake every day is boring. We love the forbidden and the taboo because we are novelty seekers.", ">\n\nI agree with you to the most part. \nBut i do think there is an evolutionairy element, due to them beeing the deciding factor if a woman will be able to nurture younglings. Sexualisation of them makes no sense in this context, BUT since it is a specific female body-trait, it will remind the male brain to fullfill his destiny", ">\n\nwhat abt lesbians then ? Are they “male brained” because they find tits attractive ?", ">\n\nThey’re usually a little more gradually sloping at the top, allowing for a bit more plausible deniability of exactly where they start. At the bottom it’s bam.", ">\n\nUnder boob and no bra… oh my gawd. What a time to be alive man.", ">\n\nIt’s not necessarily more risqué, but it certainly is more risky. One sudden movement and it’s over 😭", ">\n\nbut u r less like to accidentally flash someone if u just have upper boob cleavage rather than lower", ">\n\nThis is called Australian cleavage.\nBecause it is from down unda", ">\n\nWhat...you totally left out side-boob exposure? Now I'll have to go for a shower myself and give this topic some serious thought.", ">\n\nUnderboob usually means the entire torso is exposed while regular cleavage is just a few inches of chest and neck.", ">\n\nProbably just normalization. Top-of-boob is extremely common whereas bottom-of-boob is more difficulty and so more rare.", ">\n\nI think because it feels FAR less secure than “top cleavage”. Like one upward moving breeze and you’re fucked", ">\n\nHeh", ">\n\nTo show underboob, you’ve got to have your belly out too, no?", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear. Same amount if skin, but one is scandalous for people. Logic.", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear is more about the situation, not the amout of skin showing", ">\n\nAlso they wildly different type of fabric.\nIt's not much different than wearing a speedo becomes wildly less acceptable the further from water you get", ">\n\nMan, freshman year of highschool I took biology. My lab partner was this sophmore hippy chick. more often than not she wore crop tops with no bra. She would stretch by raising her arms way over her head like a dozen times per class and the underboob was glorious. good times.", ">\n\nUmmm missed signs / opportunity?", ">\n\nIt's been too many years to remember to be honest, but I think she had a boyfriend with a car and that was way too intimidating for 14 year old me. \n🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nYou typically only see the bottom of the boob when you can see the entire boob, so that's why I think it's so much more alluring. Way less common to see without also seeing a nipple.", ">\n\nUnderboob cleavage is like dogs watching you eat food waiting for you to drop some. Regular cleavage is dogs seeing food on the counter and knowing they're not allowed up there.", ">\n\nUnder-boob is 1 abrupt movement away from full titties. Normal cleavage needs a full handstand for that.", ">\n\nany woman can look good with top cleavage. only a special few can pull off bottom cleavage", ">\n\nA few? Oh, friend.\nThere are over 350,000 plumbers represented by the United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipefitting Industry of US and Canada!", ">\n\nThey are absolutely NOT the same. Underboob any day. Im also partial to side-tit", ">\n\nUnderboob is more provocative imo.. depending on the occasion it can br very sexy.", ">\n\nIdk man I can get a lot more boob details from under boob. You can kinda tell the size of the boobs from traditional cleavage. But under boob gives so much more info. Are they perky? Do they hang nicely? Are they centered or off to the sides? Are the nipples huge? All of these questions are answered.", ">\n\nI hate Anton levay, but he calls this The Law of the Forbidden.", ">\n\nIf we all wear knee and elbow pads. In a few 100 years or less even. Knees and elbows will become an aphrodisiac. \nSomething to take into account. We want what we can’t have. \nThis is my big argument on drug addiction and that most of addiction stems from the scarcity of drug supply. It’s not like Starbucks where you can get your CNS most times of the day and if Starbucks is close, gas stations got the back up for you CNS.", ">\n\nThere's a complete lack of appreciation for the under-boob in modern society.", ">\n\nUnderboob means no bra which drives our animalistic instincts, normal cleavage can be the result of a push up bra", ">\n\nI think it's hotter look & more realistic for every shape & size to look flattering. Love underboob. 🤙", ">\n\nI only read one mention of side boob.. with side boob, under boob, and cleavage I almost have a complete picture.", ">\n\nYou just reminded me of Channon's nipple window outfit in Transmetropolitan.", ">\n\nUnderboob is the only case of potential energy working in practice", ">\n\nWe don't see underboob on a daily basis, so it's the excitement of different even though it's not that different.", ">\n\nI love underboon. As others have pointed out, it's a less common sight, so it's more of a treat.", ">\n\nKinda like side boob", ">\n\nDon't even get me started on the occasional nipple sighting.", ">\n\nThe answer is gravity. More likely for them to fall out and be completely exposed.", ">\n\nOne has crumbs the other gets sweaty. Both are salty I guess", ">\n\nUnderboob is much more risqué, because then you’ll see my undernipple.", ">\n\nThis is like saying wine in a box is the same as wine in a bottle.", ">\n\nLet’s face it. Most guys are from the dark ages. They’re caveman. They like a woman to be showing her cleavage and under boob cleavage. But for me, a woman looks best when she is just absolutely naked.", ">\n\nI assume it's because of gravity.\nUnderboob has the rounded look that's in right now. The fake boob perky look.\nTop cleavage can with a good bra but gravity guarantees that nice round underboob.", ">\n\nI disagree completely. Tell the girl with under boob and the girl with normal cleavage to jump up and down and notice who slips out first.", ">\n\nThe answer would be me. I'd slip out first.", ">\n\nwhere does side-boob fall in the pantheon of breast visibility? asking for science.", ">\n\nOver < Side < Under.", ">\n\nUnderboob is just more honest, you know there’s no lies and deception there", ">\n\nOkay, I’m a woman and I do not know what what under-boob cleavage is 😂Someone please explain! My assumption is that it is cleavage that is some how developed from wearing like a tube top or something? Am I right? Lol", ">\n\nWhenever I see underboob cleavage all I can think about is boob sweat…😝maybe that’s because “underboob” is the armpit of the boobs…", ">\n\nYou're missing the side boob. Essentially the same thing essentially.", ">\n\nCall me crazy, but as I guy, I prefer underboob more so than the whole boob. And this is primarily when having sex...It just turns me on that much more.", ">\n\nDo you have an example? I’m a little unclear on the point are making.", ">\n\nTry telling Twitch that. Cleavage is fine but underboob gets banned.", ">\n\nYou are categorically seeing more skin if you are getting under boob.", ">\n\nI have this Bikini that shows a lot of under boob. I thought it was sexy. I asked my (then) BF if he likes it and wanted me to wear it. He said NO! He didn’t think it was a sexy as my regular small triangle shaped (on each boob) bikini 👙 top. My Girlfriends came to visit and we were going to the beach and I put on the under boob bikini top and they said “No! That’s too sexy!l”.", ">\n\nIt's essentially the same skin as anywhere else on the body, too.", ">\n\nCan’t believe people care so much about boobs.\nSure; they’re nice. But worth such discussion over? Way to commodify something simple and a bit nice", ">\n\nBecause biology.\nWant to talk about how societal norms and human biology clash in a weird way? Cleavage.", ">\n\nBecause gravity means they might slip off.\nAlso, at least for me as a man and the women I’ve been with, the preference is that they be cupped from the bottom when they intentionally expose themselves to me hahaha. \nI guess they feel supported that way idk feels good to me and them.", ">\n\nI'll take a knee", ">\n\nAlso usually means no bra is there", ">\n\nIt's also that you're getting teased, instead of just being shown everything.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage is illegal in my city (in California). It is in the ordinance prohibiting women being topless in public.", ">\n\nMy guess is that it’s the distance to nipple (dtn) that makes one feel more risky." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nUnderboob implies the possibility of gravity making it full boob", ">\n\nYeah, underboob carries a much higher risk of loss of containment.", ">\n\nand then you get a warp core breach.", ">\n\nStop it, you're overloading my PPS conduits", ">\n\nSounds like someone needs to scrub their plasma manifolds", ">\n\nLet me know if Dax is available", ">\n\nKurzon?", ">\n\nNo, I blame him for Jadzia's death lol", ">\n\nJadzia dies!?", ">\n\nDepends on your definition of \"dies\"", ">\n\nit defines the actual shape of the breast. \nAlso, it’s less common to see. Calves used to be risqué at one time.", ">\n\nYeah baby, show us that ankle\n-Victorian Era bros probably", ">\n\nFun fact: table \"legs\" were deemed potentially too arousing, hence the development of the table skirt.\nVictorian's were fucking weird.", ">\n\nI demand boobs on furniture.", ">\n\nboobs, and a whole lot more", ">\n\nNow that just makes it seem like the victorians were actually justified.", ">\n\nImagine having that hidden under a table skirt in Victorian England.", ">\n\noooh the scandal!", ">\n\nGene Roddenberry once said that when designing costumes for the original Star Trek back in the late 1960s, network censors allowed some top cleavage but forbade - to use your term - “under-boob cleavage.”", ">\n\nInteresting! This is a fascinating confirmation of my hunch.", ">\n\nI have been diagnosed with dementia.", ">\n\nYou know damn well that this is a common bug on reddit.", ">\n\nPerhaps he forgot", ">\n\nTrue. Also, \nGitHub.com/MOABdali/MegaCheckers", ">\n\nThis will make a fine addition to my collection", ">\n\nThis was from before I became a \"professional coder\". I'm a bit better now, so I've begun working on the game from scratch now, utilizing less spaghetti code.", ">\n\ngotta love the underboob. the sight of it is guaranteed to improve your day.", ">\n\nUnless you're at Walmart, and they're hanging over a belt", ">\n\nUnderboobs often comes with a visible tummy. \nIt's a great combo.", ">\n\nThere a sub for that? Asking for me.", ">\n\nThere is definitely an underboob subreddit.", ">\n\nThere are at least two.", ">\n\nAnd my axe!", ">\n\nHow many times have you seen someone's tits fall out a normal cleavage? Coz I haven't? But have you ever seen a girl with an underboob shirt lift her arms? Tits come flying out", ">\n\nOnce. I've seen tits explode out of cleavage, (not on purpose) once. It was my great aunt. She was 76.", ">\n\nI'm so sorry/happy for you that you had to witness this", ">\n\nwhy are you happy bro damn he said she was his 76yo great aunt tf", ">\n\nHey, I said sorry/happy. No clue what he's into", ">\n\nFunny shit", ">\n\nUnder is closer to the nipple so I feel that makes it more risqué.", ">\n\nNot when you’re 40", ">\n\noh yea gimme some of that granny underboob.\nShe's showing underboob cleavage, but its a normal XL shirt", ">\n\nGranny? At 40?", ">\n\nImagine you have a kid at 20. And that kid has a kid at 20. How old are?\nNow have you ever met anyone that had a kid BEFORE 20?... I bet you have.", ">\n\nI know it’s technically possible to be a granny at 40. The vast majority of 40 year olds are not grandmothers however. I’m 40, husband is 43, our kids are 6.", ">\n\nLol well I'm about to hit 37. I know what you're saying. I'm just saying. Lots of grandparents across the globe are our age.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage basically shows that it’s not a bra doing the work and they really ARE that perky/voluminous. Plus lol it’s seen less so is just that more hot.", ">\n\nYeah I was going to say, they actually don’t always show the same thing. Cleavage can show many things, but often times it’s “what they look like while supported and pushed slightly together. Cleavage view vs natural can often be quite different. \nBut under boob cleavage, by very nature of no bra, a “is what you see is what you get” type deal.", ">\n\nIt does, under boob makes me far hornier than regular cleavage", ">\n\nSame, side boob and top boob are regular everyday occurrences. They have become somewhat played out. You can go to a church and you may see some top boob.\nUnder boob is a treat. An occasion. Something special", ">\n\nSide boob is my favorite boob", ">\n\nSide boob when classy. Under boob when casual. This is the scientific formula.", ">\n\nSide, under, top are all OK to be seen these days. My conclusion is ladies who want to show off should just put some pasties on and be done it.", ">\n\nYeah, agreed. Culturally, we’ve created a fetish out of boobs by forcing them to be concealed. It’s a feedback loop… they’re sexualized because they’re hidden, and they’re hidden because they’re sexualized. Gotta break the cycle.", ">\n\nLOL yeah tell that to thousands of years of evolution. They aren't sexualized because they're hidden. But I agree with your overall point.", ">\n\nHave you been to a nude beach, or just a beach outside of America? It becomes normalized very quickly and is nothing more fascinating than a leg. Just like legs can be well formed and attractive, so can boobs, but I don’t believe they are inherently more sexual than other parts of the body we don’t consider provocative.\nI’m surprised you bring up evolution when we can look to modern day tribes where the women are topless and it’s a non-event. Any time you prohibit something, that thing becomes more exciting. If you’re on a diet and not allowed to eat sugar, your first bite of cake in a year will be damn near orgasmic. Cake every day is boring. We love the forbidden and the taboo because we are novelty seekers.", ">\n\nI agree with you to the most part. \nBut i do think there is an evolutionairy element, due to them beeing the deciding factor if a woman will be able to nurture younglings. Sexualisation of them makes no sense in this context, BUT since it is a specific female body-trait, it will remind the male brain to fullfill his destiny", ">\n\nwhat abt lesbians then ? Are they “male brained” because they find tits attractive ?", ">\n\nThey’re usually a little more gradually sloping at the top, allowing for a bit more plausible deniability of exactly where they start. At the bottom it’s bam.", ">\n\nUnder boob and no bra… oh my gawd. What a time to be alive man.", ">\n\nIt’s not necessarily more risqué, but it certainly is more risky. One sudden movement and it’s over 😭", ">\n\nbut u r less like to accidentally flash someone if u just have upper boob cleavage rather than lower", ">\n\nThis is called Australian cleavage.\nBecause it is from down unda", ">\n\nWhat...you totally left out side-boob exposure? Now I'll have to go for a shower myself and give this topic some serious thought.", ">\n\nUnderboob usually means the entire torso is exposed while regular cleavage is just a few inches of chest and neck.", ">\n\nProbably just normalization. Top-of-boob is extremely common whereas bottom-of-boob is more difficulty and so more rare.", ">\n\nI think because it feels FAR less secure than “top cleavage”. Like one upward moving breeze and you’re fucked", ">\n\nHeh", ">\n\nTo show underboob, you’ve got to have your belly out too, no?", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear. Same amount if skin, but one is scandalous for people. Logic.", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear is more about the situation, not the amout of skin showing", ">\n\nAlso they wildly different type of fabric.\nIt's not much different than wearing a speedo becomes wildly less acceptable the further from water you get", ">\n\nMan, freshman year of highschool I took biology. My lab partner was this sophmore hippy chick. more often than not she wore crop tops with no bra. She would stretch by raising her arms way over her head like a dozen times per class and the underboob was glorious. good times.", ">\n\nUmmm missed signs / opportunity?", ">\n\nIt's been too many years to remember to be honest, but I think she had a boyfriend with a car and that was way too intimidating for 14 year old me. \n🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nYou typically only see the bottom of the boob when you can see the entire boob, so that's why I think it's so much more alluring. Way less common to see without also seeing a nipple.", ">\n\nUnderboob cleavage is like dogs watching you eat food waiting for you to drop some. Regular cleavage is dogs seeing food on the counter and knowing they're not allowed up there.", ">\n\nUnder-boob is 1 abrupt movement away from full titties. Normal cleavage needs a full handstand for that.", ">\n\nany woman can look good with top cleavage. only a special few can pull off bottom cleavage", ">\n\nA few? Oh, friend.\nThere are over 350,000 plumbers represented by the United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipefitting Industry of US and Canada!", ">\n\nThey are absolutely NOT the same. Underboob any day. Im also partial to side-tit", ">\n\nUnderboob is more provocative imo.. depending on the occasion it can br very sexy.", ">\n\nIdk man I can get a lot more boob details from under boob. You can kinda tell the size of the boobs from traditional cleavage. But under boob gives so much more info. Are they perky? Do they hang nicely? Are they centered or off to the sides? Are the nipples huge? All of these questions are answered.", ">\n\nI hate Anton levay, but he calls this The Law of the Forbidden.", ">\n\nIf we all wear knee and elbow pads. In a few 100 years or less even. Knees and elbows will become an aphrodisiac. \nSomething to take into account. We want what we can’t have. \nThis is my big argument on drug addiction and that most of addiction stems from the scarcity of drug supply. It’s not like Starbucks where you can get your CNS most times of the day and if Starbucks is close, gas stations got the back up for you CNS.", ">\n\nThere's a complete lack of appreciation for the under-boob in modern society.", ">\n\nUnderboob means no bra which drives our animalistic instincts, normal cleavage can be the result of a push up bra", ">\n\nI think it's hotter look & more realistic for every shape & size to look flattering. Love underboob. 🤙", ">\n\nI only read one mention of side boob.. with side boob, under boob, and cleavage I almost have a complete picture.", ">\n\nYou just reminded me of Channon's nipple window outfit in Transmetropolitan.", ">\n\nUnderboob is the only case of potential energy working in practice", ">\n\nWe don't see underboob on a daily basis, so it's the excitement of different even though it's not that different.", ">\n\nI love underboon. As others have pointed out, it's a less common sight, so it's more of a treat.", ">\n\nKinda like side boob", ">\n\nDon't even get me started on the occasional nipple sighting.", ">\n\nThe answer is gravity. More likely for them to fall out and be completely exposed.", ">\n\nOne has crumbs the other gets sweaty. Both are salty I guess", ">\n\nUnderboob is much more risqué, because then you’ll see my undernipple.", ">\n\nThis is like saying wine in a box is the same as wine in a bottle.", ">\n\nLet’s face it. Most guys are from the dark ages. They’re caveman. They like a woman to be showing her cleavage and under boob cleavage. But for me, a woman looks best when she is just absolutely naked.", ">\n\nI assume it's because of gravity.\nUnderboob has the rounded look that's in right now. The fake boob perky look.\nTop cleavage can with a good bra but gravity guarantees that nice round underboob.", ">\n\nI disagree completely. Tell the girl with under boob and the girl with normal cleavage to jump up and down and notice who slips out first.", ">\n\nThe answer would be me. I'd slip out first.", ">\n\nwhere does side-boob fall in the pantheon of breast visibility? asking for science.", ">\n\nOver < Side < Under.", ">\n\nUnderboob is just more honest, you know there’s no lies and deception there", ">\n\nOkay, I’m a woman and I do not know what what under-boob cleavage is 😂Someone please explain! My assumption is that it is cleavage that is some how developed from wearing like a tube top or something? Am I right? Lol", ">\n\nWhenever I see underboob cleavage all I can think about is boob sweat…😝maybe that’s because “underboob” is the armpit of the boobs…", ">\n\nYou're missing the side boob. Essentially the same thing essentially.", ">\n\nCall me crazy, but as I guy, I prefer underboob more so than the whole boob. And this is primarily when having sex...It just turns me on that much more.", ">\n\nDo you have an example? I’m a little unclear on the point are making.", ">\n\nTry telling Twitch that. Cleavage is fine but underboob gets banned.", ">\n\nYou are categorically seeing more skin if you are getting under boob.", ">\n\nI have this Bikini that shows a lot of under boob. I thought it was sexy. I asked my (then) BF if he likes it and wanted me to wear it. He said NO! He didn’t think it was a sexy as my regular small triangle shaped (on each boob) bikini 👙 top. My Girlfriends came to visit and we were going to the beach and I put on the under boob bikini top and they said “No! That’s too sexy!l”.", ">\n\nIt's essentially the same skin as anywhere else on the body, too.", ">\n\nCan’t believe people care so much about boobs.\nSure; they’re nice. But worth such discussion over? Way to commodify something simple and a bit nice", ">\n\nBecause biology.\nWant to talk about how societal norms and human biology clash in a weird way? Cleavage.", ">\n\nBecause gravity means they might slip off.\nAlso, at least for me as a man and the women I’ve been with, the preference is that they be cupped from the bottom when they intentionally expose themselves to me hahaha. \nI guess they feel supported that way idk feels good to me and them.", ">\n\nI'll take a knee", ">\n\nAlso usually means no bra is there", ">\n\nIt's also that you're getting teased, instead of just being shown everything.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage is illegal in my city (in California). It is in the ordinance prohibiting women being topless in public.", ">\n\nMy guess is that it’s the distance to nipple (dtn) that makes one feel more risky.", ">\n\nFor a bikini, yes. For shirts/ dresses, no.\nRegular cleavage expands an existing necessary hole in, under boob requires additional holes to exist just to show under boob.\nBut they are the same risqué as keyhole neck lines" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nUnderboob implies the possibility of gravity making it full boob", ">\n\nYeah, underboob carries a much higher risk of loss of containment.", ">\n\nand then you get a warp core breach.", ">\n\nStop it, you're overloading my PPS conduits", ">\n\nSounds like someone needs to scrub their plasma manifolds", ">\n\nLet me know if Dax is available", ">\n\nKurzon?", ">\n\nNo, I blame him for Jadzia's death lol", ">\n\nJadzia dies!?", ">\n\nDepends on your definition of \"dies\"", ">\n\nit defines the actual shape of the breast. \nAlso, it’s less common to see. Calves used to be risqué at one time.", ">\n\nYeah baby, show us that ankle\n-Victorian Era bros probably", ">\n\nFun fact: table \"legs\" were deemed potentially too arousing, hence the development of the table skirt.\nVictorian's were fucking weird.", ">\n\nI demand boobs on furniture.", ">\n\nboobs, and a whole lot more", ">\n\nNow that just makes it seem like the victorians were actually justified.", ">\n\nImagine having that hidden under a table skirt in Victorian England.", ">\n\noooh the scandal!", ">\n\nGene Roddenberry once said that when designing costumes for the original Star Trek back in the late 1960s, network censors allowed some top cleavage but forbade - to use your term - “under-boob cleavage.”", ">\n\nInteresting! This is a fascinating confirmation of my hunch.", ">\n\nI have been diagnosed with dementia.", ">\n\nYou know damn well that this is a common bug on reddit.", ">\n\nPerhaps he forgot", ">\n\nTrue. Also, \nGitHub.com/MOABdali/MegaCheckers", ">\n\nThis will make a fine addition to my collection", ">\n\nThis was from before I became a \"professional coder\". I'm a bit better now, so I've begun working on the game from scratch now, utilizing less spaghetti code.", ">\n\ngotta love the underboob. the sight of it is guaranteed to improve your day.", ">\n\nUnless you're at Walmart, and they're hanging over a belt", ">\n\nUnderboobs often comes with a visible tummy. \nIt's a great combo.", ">\n\nThere a sub for that? Asking for me.", ">\n\nThere is definitely an underboob subreddit.", ">\n\nThere are at least two.", ">\n\nAnd my axe!", ">\n\nHow many times have you seen someone's tits fall out a normal cleavage? Coz I haven't? But have you ever seen a girl with an underboob shirt lift her arms? Tits come flying out", ">\n\nOnce. I've seen tits explode out of cleavage, (not on purpose) once. It was my great aunt. She was 76.", ">\n\nI'm so sorry/happy for you that you had to witness this", ">\n\nwhy are you happy bro damn he said she was his 76yo great aunt tf", ">\n\nHey, I said sorry/happy. No clue what he's into", ">\n\nFunny shit", ">\n\nUnder is closer to the nipple so I feel that makes it more risqué.", ">\n\nNot when you’re 40", ">\n\noh yea gimme some of that granny underboob.\nShe's showing underboob cleavage, but its a normal XL shirt", ">\n\nGranny? At 40?", ">\n\nImagine you have a kid at 20. And that kid has a kid at 20. How old are?\nNow have you ever met anyone that had a kid BEFORE 20?... I bet you have.", ">\n\nI know it’s technically possible to be a granny at 40. The vast majority of 40 year olds are not grandmothers however. I’m 40, husband is 43, our kids are 6.", ">\n\nLol well I'm about to hit 37. I know what you're saying. I'm just saying. Lots of grandparents across the globe are our age.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage basically shows that it’s not a bra doing the work and they really ARE that perky/voluminous. Plus lol it’s seen less so is just that more hot.", ">\n\nYeah I was going to say, they actually don’t always show the same thing. Cleavage can show many things, but often times it’s “what they look like while supported and pushed slightly together. Cleavage view vs natural can often be quite different. \nBut under boob cleavage, by very nature of no bra, a “is what you see is what you get” type deal.", ">\n\nIt does, under boob makes me far hornier than regular cleavage", ">\n\nSame, side boob and top boob are regular everyday occurrences. They have become somewhat played out. You can go to a church and you may see some top boob.\nUnder boob is a treat. An occasion. Something special", ">\n\nSide boob is my favorite boob", ">\n\nSide boob when classy. Under boob when casual. This is the scientific formula.", ">\n\nSide, under, top are all OK to be seen these days. My conclusion is ladies who want to show off should just put some pasties on and be done it.", ">\n\nYeah, agreed. Culturally, we’ve created a fetish out of boobs by forcing them to be concealed. It’s a feedback loop… they’re sexualized because they’re hidden, and they’re hidden because they’re sexualized. Gotta break the cycle.", ">\n\nLOL yeah tell that to thousands of years of evolution. They aren't sexualized because they're hidden. But I agree with your overall point.", ">\n\nHave you been to a nude beach, or just a beach outside of America? It becomes normalized very quickly and is nothing more fascinating than a leg. Just like legs can be well formed and attractive, so can boobs, but I don’t believe they are inherently more sexual than other parts of the body we don’t consider provocative.\nI’m surprised you bring up evolution when we can look to modern day tribes where the women are topless and it’s a non-event. Any time you prohibit something, that thing becomes more exciting. If you’re on a diet and not allowed to eat sugar, your first bite of cake in a year will be damn near orgasmic. Cake every day is boring. We love the forbidden and the taboo because we are novelty seekers.", ">\n\nI agree with you to the most part. \nBut i do think there is an evolutionairy element, due to them beeing the deciding factor if a woman will be able to nurture younglings. Sexualisation of them makes no sense in this context, BUT since it is a specific female body-trait, it will remind the male brain to fullfill his destiny", ">\n\nwhat abt lesbians then ? Are they “male brained” because they find tits attractive ?", ">\n\nThey’re usually a little more gradually sloping at the top, allowing for a bit more plausible deniability of exactly where they start. At the bottom it’s bam.", ">\n\nUnder boob and no bra… oh my gawd. What a time to be alive man.", ">\n\nIt’s not necessarily more risqué, but it certainly is more risky. One sudden movement and it’s over 😭", ">\n\nbut u r less like to accidentally flash someone if u just have upper boob cleavage rather than lower", ">\n\nThis is called Australian cleavage.\nBecause it is from down unda", ">\n\nWhat...you totally left out side-boob exposure? Now I'll have to go for a shower myself and give this topic some serious thought.", ">\n\nUnderboob usually means the entire torso is exposed while regular cleavage is just a few inches of chest and neck.", ">\n\nProbably just normalization. Top-of-boob is extremely common whereas bottom-of-boob is more difficulty and so more rare.", ">\n\nI think because it feels FAR less secure than “top cleavage”. Like one upward moving breeze and you’re fucked", ">\n\nHeh", ">\n\nTo show underboob, you’ve got to have your belly out too, no?", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear. Same amount if skin, but one is scandalous for people. Logic.", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear is more about the situation, not the amout of skin showing", ">\n\nAlso they wildly different type of fabric.\nIt's not much different than wearing a speedo becomes wildly less acceptable the further from water you get", ">\n\nMan, freshman year of highschool I took biology. My lab partner was this sophmore hippy chick. more often than not she wore crop tops with no bra. She would stretch by raising her arms way over her head like a dozen times per class and the underboob was glorious. good times.", ">\n\nUmmm missed signs / opportunity?", ">\n\nIt's been too many years to remember to be honest, but I think she had a boyfriend with a car and that was way too intimidating for 14 year old me. \n🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nYou typically only see the bottom of the boob when you can see the entire boob, so that's why I think it's so much more alluring. Way less common to see without also seeing a nipple.", ">\n\nUnderboob cleavage is like dogs watching you eat food waiting for you to drop some. Regular cleavage is dogs seeing food on the counter and knowing they're not allowed up there.", ">\n\nUnder-boob is 1 abrupt movement away from full titties. Normal cleavage needs a full handstand for that.", ">\n\nany woman can look good with top cleavage. only a special few can pull off bottom cleavage", ">\n\nA few? Oh, friend.\nThere are over 350,000 plumbers represented by the United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipefitting Industry of US and Canada!", ">\n\nThey are absolutely NOT the same. Underboob any day. Im also partial to side-tit", ">\n\nUnderboob is more provocative imo.. depending on the occasion it can br very sexy.", ">\n\nIdk man I can get a lot more boob details from under boob. You can kinda tell the size of the boobs from traditional cleavage. But under boob gives so much more info. Are they perky? Do they hang nicely? Are they centered or off to the sides? Are the nipples huge? All of these questions are answered.", ">\n\nI hate Anton levay, but he calls this The Law of the Forbidden.", ">\n\nIf we all wear knee and elbow pads. In a few 100 years or less even. Knees and elbows will become an aphrodisiac. \nSomething to take into account. We want what we can’t have. \nThis is my big argument on drug addiction and that most of addiction stems from the scarcity of drug supply. It’s not like Starbucks where you can get your CNS most times of the day and if Starbucks is close, gas stations got the back up for you CNS.", ">\n\nThere's a complete lack of appreciation for the under-boob in modern society.", ">\n\nUnderboob means no bra which drives our animalistic instincts, normal cleavage can be the result of a push up bra", ">\n\nI think it's hotter look & more realistic for every shape & size to look flattering. Love underboob. 🤙", ">\n\nI only read one mention of side boob.. with side boob, under boob, and cleavage I almost have a complete picture.", ">\n\nYou just reminded me of Channon's nipple window outfit in Transmetropolitan.", ">\n\nUnderboob is the only case of potential energy working in practice", ">\n\nWe don't see underboob on a daily basis, so it's the excitement of different even though it's not that different.", ">\n\nI love underboon. As others have pointed out, it's a less common sight, so it's more of a treat.", ">\n\nKinda like side boob", ">\n\nDon't even get me started on the occasional nipple sighting.", ">\n\nThe answer is gravity. More likely for them to fall out and be completely exposed.", ">\n\nOne has crumbs the other gets sweaty. Both are salty I guess", ">\n\nUnderboob is much more risqué, because then you’ll see my undernipple.", ">\n\nThis is like saying wine in a box is the same as wine in a bottle.", ">\n\nLet’s face it. Most guys are from the dark ages. They’re caveman. They like a woman to be showing her cleavage and under boob cleavage. But for me, a woman looks best when she is just absolutely naked.", ">\n\nI assume it's because of gravity.\nUnderboob has the rounded look that's in right now. The fake boob perky look.\nTop cleavage can with a good bra but gravity guarantees that nice round underboob.", ">\n\nI disagree completely. Tell the girl with under boob and the girl with normal cleavage to jump up and down and notice who slips out first.", ">\n\nThe answer would be me. I'd slip out first.", ">\n\nwhere does side-boob fall in the pantheon of breast visibility? asking for science.", ">\n\nOver < Side < Under.", ">\n\nUnderboob is just more honest, you know there’s no lies and deception there", ">\n\nOkay, I’m a woman and I do not know what what under-boob cleavage is 😂Someone please explain! My assumption is that it is cleavage that is some how developed from wearing like a tube top or something? Am I right? Lol", ">\n\nWhenever I see underboob cleavage all I can think about is boob sweat…😝maybe that’s because “underboob” is the armpit of the boobs…", ">\n\nYou're missing the side boob. Essentially the same thing essentially.", ">\n\nCall me crazy, but as I guy, I prefer underboob more so than the whole boob. And this is primarily when having sex...It just turns me on that much more.", ">\n\nDo you have an example? I’m a little unclear on the point are making.", ">\n\nTry telling Twitch that. Cleavage is fine but underboob gets banned.", ">\n\nYou are categorically seeing more skin if you are getting under boob.", ">\n\nI have this Bikini that shows a lot of under boob. I thought it was sexy. I asked my (then) BF if he likes it and wanted me to wear it. He said NO! He didn’t think it was a sexy as my regular small triangle shaped (on each boob) bikini 👙 top. My Girlfriends came to visit and we were going to the beach and I put on the under boob bikini top and they said “No! That’s too sexy!l”.", ">\n\nIt's essentially the same skin as anywhere else on the body, too.", ">\n\nCan’t believe people care so much about boobs.\nSure; they’re nice. But worth such discussion over? Way to commodify something simple and a bit nice", ">\n\nBecause biology.\nWant to talk about how societal norms and human biology clash in a weird way? Cleavage.", ">\n\nBecause gravity means they might slip off.\nAlso, at least for me as a man and the women I’ve been with, the preference is that they be cupped from the bottom when they intentionally expose themselves to me hahaha. \nI guess they feel supported that way idk feels good to me and them.", ">\n\nI'll take a knee", ">\n\nAlso usually means no bra is there", ">\n\nIt's also that you're getting teased, instead of just being shown everything.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage is illegal in my city (in California). It is in the ordinance prohibiting women being topless in public.", ">\n\nMy guess is that it’s the distance to nipple (dtn) that makes one feel more risky.", ">\n\nFor a bikini, yes. For shirts/ dresses, no.\nRegular cleavage expands an existing necessary hole in, under boob requires additional holes to exist just to show under boob.\nBut they are the same risqué as keyhole neck lines", ">\n\n....... because cleavage to at least some extent is frequently on display. I'm just a b-cup and the right bra will push up enough cleavage that I wouldn't wear the shirt to work but would have no issue wearing to publically like to dinner with family or friends.\nBut when do you ever see underboob publically outside perhaps a club? Swimming...? It's going to feel naughtier because it's so much rarer to see." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nUnderboob implies the possibility of gravity making it full boob", ">\n\nYeah, underboob carries a much higher risk of loss of containment.", ">\n\nand then you get a warp core breach.", ">\n\nStop it, you're overloading my PPS conduits", ">\n\nSounds like someone needs to scrub their plasma manifolds", ">\n\nLet me know if Dax is available", ">\n\nKurzon?", ">\n\nNo, I blame him for Jadzia's death lol", ">\n\nJadzia dies!?", ">\n\nDepends on your definition of \"dies\"", ">\n\nit defines the actual shape of the breast. \nAlso, it’s less common to see. Calves used to be risqué at one time.", ">\n\nYeah baby, show us that ankle\n-Victorian Era bros probably", ">\n\nFun fact: table \"legs\" were deemed potentially too arousing, hence the development of the table skirt.\nVictorian's were fucking weird.", ">\n\nI demand boobs on furniture.", ">\n\nboobs, and a whole lot more", ">\n\nNow that just makes it seem like the victorians were actually justified.", ">\n\nImagine having that hidden under a table skirt in Victorian England.", ">\n\noooh the scandal!", ">\n\nGene Roddenberry once said that when designing costumes for the original Star Trek back in the late 1960s, network censors allowed some top cleavage but forbade - to use your term - “under-boob cleavage.”", ">\n\nInteresting! This is a fascinating confirmation of my hunch.", ">\n\nI have been diagnosed with dementia.", ">\n\nYou know damn well that this is a common bug on reddit.", ">\n\nPerhaps he forgot", ">\n\nTrue. Also, \nGitHub.com/MOABdali/MegaCheckers", ">\n\nThis will make a fine addition to my collection", ">\n\nThis was from before I became a \"professional coder\". I'm a bit better now, so I've begun working on the game from scratch now, utilizing less spaghetti code.", ">\n\ngotta love the underboob. the sight of it is guaranteed to improve your day.", ">\n\nUnless you're at Walmart, and they're hanging over a belt", ">\n\nUnderboobs often comes with a visible tummy. \nIt's a great combo.", ">\n\nThere a sub for that? Asking for me.", ">\n\nThere is definitely an underboob subreddit.", ">\n\nThere are at least two.", ">\n\nAnd my axe!", ">\n\nHow many times have you seen someone's tits fall out a normal cleavage? Coz I haven't? But have you ever seen a girl with an underboob shirt lift her arms? Tits come flying out", ">\n\nOnce. I've seen tits explode out of cleavage, (not on purpose) once. It was my great aunt. She was 76.", ">\n\nI'm so sorry/happy for you that you had to witness this", ">\n\nwhy are you happy bro damn he said she was his 76yo great aunt tf", ">\n\nHey, I said sorry/happy. No clue what he's into", ">\n\nFunny shit", ">\n\nUnder is closer to the nipple so I feel that makes it more risqué.", ">\n\nNot when you’re 40", ">\n\noh yea gimme some of that granny underboob.\nShe's showing underboob cleavage, but its a normal XL shirt", ">\n\nGranny? At 40?", ">\n\nImagine you have a kid at 20. And that kid has a kid at 20. How old are?\nNow have you ever met anyone that had a kid BEFORE 20?... I bet you have.", ">\n\nI know it’s technically possible to be a granny at 40. The vast majority of 40 year olds are not grandmothers however. I’m 40, husband is 43, our kids are 6.", ">\n\nLol well I'm about to hit 37. I know what you're saying. I'm just saying. Lots of grandparents across the globe are our age.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage basically shows that it’s not a bra doing the work and they really ARE that perky/voluminous. Plus lol it’s seen less so is just that more hot.", ">\n\nYeah I was going to say, they actually don’t always show the same thing. Cleavage can show many things, but often times it’s “what they look like while supported and pushed slightly together. Cleavage view vs natural can often be quite different. \nBut under boob cleavage, by very nature of no bra, a “is what you see is what you get” type deal.", ">\n\nIt does, under boob makes me far hornier than regular cleavage", ">\n\nSame, side boob and top boob are regular everyday occurrences. They have become somewhat played out. You can go to a church and you may see some top boob.\nUnder boob is a treat. An occasion. Something special", ">\n\nSide boob is my favorite boob", ">\n\nSide boob when classy. Under boob when casual. This is the scientific formula.", ">\n\nSide, under, top are all OK to be seen these days. My conclusion is ladies who want to show off should just put some pasties on and be done it.", ">\n\nYeah, agreed. Culturally, we’ve created a fetish out of boobs by forcing them to be concealed. It’s a feedback loop… they’re sexualized because they’re hidden, and they’re hidden because they’re sexualized. Gotta break the cycle.", ">\n\nLOL yeah tell that to thousands of years of evolution. They aren't sexualized because they're hidden. But I agree with your overall point.", ">\n\nHave you been to a nude beach, or just a beach outside of America? It becomes normalized very quickly and is nothing more fascinating than a leg. Just like legs can be well formed and attractive, so can boobs, but I don’t believe they are inherently more sexual than other parts of the body we don’t consider provocative.\nI’m surprised you bring up evolution when we can look to modern day tribes where the women are topless and it’s a non-event. Any time you prohibit something, that thing becomes more exciting. If you’re on a diet and not allowed to eat sugar, your first bite of cake in a year will be damn near orgasmic. Cake every day is boring. We love the forbidden and the taboo because we are novelty seekers.", ">\n\nI agree with you to the most part. \nBut i do think there is an evolutionairy element, due to them beeing the deciding factor if a woman will be able to nurture younglings. Sexualisation of them makes no sense in this context, BUT since it is a specific female body-trait, it will remind the male brain to fullfill his destiny", ">\n\nwhat abt lesbians then ? Are they “male brained” because they find tits attractive ?", ">\n\nThey’re usually a little more gradually sloping at the top, allowing for a bit more plausible deniability of exactly where they start. At the bottom it’s bam.", ">\n\nUnder boob and no bra… oh my gawd. What a time to be alive man.", ">\n\nIt’s not necessarily more risqué, but it certainly is more risky. One sudden movement and it’s over 😭", ">\n\nbut u r less like to accidentally flash someone if u just have upper boob cleavage rather than lower", ">\n\nThis is called Australian cleavage.\nBecause it is from down unda", ">\n\nWhat...you totally left out side-boob exposure? Now I'll have to go for a shower myself and give this topic some serious thought.", ">\n\nUnderboob usually means the entire torso is exposed while regular cleavage is just a few inches of chest and neck.", ">\n\nProbably just normalization. Top-of-boob is extremely common whereas bottom-of-boob is more difficulty and so more rare.", ">\n\nI think because it feels FAR less secure than “top cleavage”. Like one upward moving breeze and you’re fucked", ">\n\nHeh", ">\n\nTo show underboob, you’ve got to have your belly out too, no?", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear. Same amount if skin, but one is scandalous for people. Logic.", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear is more about the situation, not the amout of skin showing", ">\n\nAlso they wildly different type of fabric.\nIt's not much different than wearing a speedo becomes wildly less acceptable the further from water you get", ">\n\nMan, freshman year of highschool I took biology. My lab partner was this sophmore hippy chick. more often than not she wore crop tops with no bra. She would stretch by raising her arms way over her head like a dozen times per class and the underboob was glorious. good times.", ">\n\nUmmm missed signs / opportunity?", ">\n\nIt's been too many years to remember to be honest, but I think she had a boyfriend with a car and that was way too intimidating for 14 year old me. \n🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nYou typically only see the bottom of the boob when you can see the entire boob, so that's why I think it's so much more alluring. Way less common to see without also seeing a nipple.", ">\n\nUnderboob cleavage is like dogs watching you eat food waiting for you to drop some. Regular cleavage is dogs seeing food on the counter and knowing they're not allowed up there.", ">\n\nUnder-boob is 1 abrupt movement away from full titties. Normal cleavage needs a full handstand for that.", ">\n\nany woman can look good with top cleavage. only a special few can pull off bottom cleavage", ">\n\nA few? Oh, friend.\nThere are over 350,000 plumbers represented by the United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipefitting Industry of US and Canada!", ">\n\nThey are absolutely NOT the same. Underboob any day. Im also partial to side-tit", ">\n\nUnderboob is more provocative imo.. depending on the occasion it can br very sexy.", ">\n\nIdk man I can get a lot more boob details from under boob. You can kinda tell the size of the boobs from traditional cleavage. But under boob gives so much more info. Are they perky? Do they hang nicely? Are they centered or off to the sides? Are the nipples huge? All of these questions are answered.", ">\n\nI hate Anton levay, but he calls this The Law of the Forbidden.", ">\n\nIf we all wear knee and elbow pads. In a few 100 years or less even. Knees and elbows will become an aphrodisiac. \nSomething to take into account. We want what we can’t have. \nThis is my big argument on drug addiction and that most of addiction stems from the scarcity of drug supply. It’s not like Starbucks where you can get your CNS most times of the day and if Starbucks is close, gas stations got the back up for you CNS.", ">\n\nThere's a complete lack of appreciation for the under-boob in modern society.", ">\n\nUnderboob means no bra which drives our animalistic instincts, normal cleavage can be the result of a push up bra", ">\n\nI think it's hotter look & more realistic for every shape & size to look flattering. Love underboob. 🤙", ">\n\nI only read one mention of side boob.. with side boob, under boob, and cleavage I almost have a complete picture.", ">\n\nYou just reminded me of Channon's nipple window outfit in Transmetropolitan.", ">\n\nUnderboob is the only case of potential energy working in practice", ">\n\nWe don't see underboob on a daily basis, so it's the excitement of different even though it's not that different.", ">\n\nI love underboon. As others have pointed out, it's a less common sight, so it's more of a treat.", ">\n\nKinda like side boob", ">\n\nDon't even get me started on the occasional nipple sighting.", ">\n\nThe answer is gravity. More likely for them to fall out and be completely exposed.", ">\n\nOne has crumbs the other gets sweaty. Both are salty I guess", ">\n\nUnderboob is much more risqué, because then you’ll see my undernipple.", ">\n\nThis is like saying wine in a box is the same as wine in a bottle.", ">\n\nLet’s face it. Most guys are from the dark ages. They’re caveman. They like a woman to be showing her cleavage and under boob cleavage. But for me, a woman looks best when she is just absolutely naked.", ">\n\nI assume it's because of gravity.\nUnderboob has the rounded look that's in right now. The fake boob perky look.\nTop cleavage can with a good bra but gravity guarantees that nice round underboob.", ">\n\nI disagree completely. Tell the girl with under boob and the girl with normal cleavage to jump up and down and notice who slips out first.", ">\n\nThe answer would be me. I'd slip out first.", ">\n\nwhere does side-boob fall in the pantheon of breast visibility? asking for science.", ">\n\nOver < Side < Under.", ">\n\nUnderboob is just more honest, you know there’s no lies and deception there", ">\n\nOkay, I’m a woman and I do not know what what under-boob cleavage is 😂Someone please explain! My assumption is that it is cleavage that is some how developed from wearing like a tube top or something? Am I right? Lol", ">\n\nWhenever I see underboob cleavage all I can think about is boob sweat…😝maybe that’s because “underboob” is the armpit of the boobs…", ">\n\nYou're missing the side boob. Essentially the same thing essentially.", ">\n\nCall me crazy, but as I guy, I prefer underboob more so than the whole boob. And this is primarily when having sex...It just turns me on that much more.", ">\n\nDo you have an example? I’m a little unclear on the point are making.", ">\n\nTry telling Twitch that. Cleavage is fine but underboob gets banned.", ">\n\nYou are categorically seeing more skin if you are getting under boob.", ">\n\nI have this Bikini that shows a lot of under boob. I thought it was sexy. I asked my (then) BF if he likes it and wanted me to wear it. He said NO! He didn’t think it was a sexy as my regular small triangle shaped (on each boob) bikini 👙 top. My Girlfriends came to visit and we were going to the beach and I put on the under boob bikini top and they said “No! That’s too sexy!l”.", ">\n\nIt's essentially the same skin as anywhere else on the body, too.", ">\n\nCan’t believe people care so much about boobs.\nSure; they’re nice. But worth such discussion over? Way to commodify something simple and a bit nice", ">\n\nBecause biology.\nWant to talk about how societal norms and human biology clash in a weird way? Cleavage.", ">\n\nBecause gravity means they might slip off.\nAlso, at least for me as a man and the women I’ve been with, the preference is that they be cupped from the bottom when they intentionally expose themselves to me hahaha. \nI guess they feel supported that way idk feels good to me and them.", ">\n\nI'll take a knee", ">\n\nAlso usually means no bra is there", ">\n\nIt's also that you're getting teased, instead of just being shown everything.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage is illegal in my city (in California). It is in the ordinance prohibiting women being topless in public.", ">\n\nMy guess is that it’s the distance to nipple (dtn) that makes one feel more risky.", ">\n\nFor a bikini, yes. For shirts/ dresses, no.\nRegular cleavage expands an existing necessary hole in, under boob requires additional holes to exist just to show under boob.\nBut they are the same risqué as keyhole neck lines", ">\n\n....... because cleavage to at least some extent is frequently on display. I'm just a b-cup and the right bra will push up enough cleavage that I wouldn't wear the shirt to work but would have no issue wearing to publically like to dinner with family or friends.\nBut when do you ever see underboob publically outside perhaps a club? Swimming...? It's going to feel naughtier because it's so much rarer to see.", ">\n\nDepending on the time of month, they be at equilibrium and its awesome." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nUnderboob implies the possibility of gravity making it full boob", ">\n\nYeah, underboob carries a much higher risk of loss of containment.", ">\n\nand then you get a warp core breach.", ">\n\nStop it, you're overloading my PPS conduits", ">\n\nSounds like someone needs to scrub their plasma manifolds", ">\n\nLet me know if Dax is available", ">\n\nKurzon?", ">\n\nNo, I blame him for Jadzia's death lol", ">\n\nJadzia dies!?", ">\n\nDepends on your definition of \"dies\"", ">\n\nit defines the actual shape of the breast. \nAlso, it’s less common to see. Calves used to be risqué at one time.", ">\n\nYeah baby, show us that ankle\n-Victorian Era bros probably", ">\n\nFun fact: table \"legs\" were deemed potentially too arousing, hence the development of the table skirt.\nVictorian's were fucking weird.", ">\n\nI demand boobs on furniture.", ">\n\nboobs, and a whole lot more", ">\n\nNow that just makes it seem like the victorians were actually justified.", ">\n\nImagine having that hidden under a table skirt in Victorian England.", ">\n\noooh the scandal!", ">\n\nGene Roddenberry once said that when designing costumes for the original Star Trek back in the late 1960s, network censors allowed some top cleavage but forbade - to use your term - “under-boob cleavage.”", ">\n\nInteresting! This is a fascinating confirmation of my hunch.", ">\n\nI have been diagnosed with dementia.", ">\n\nYou know damn well that this is a common bug on reddit.", ">\n\nPerhaps he forgot", ">\n\nTrue. Also, \nGitHub.com/MOABdali/MegaCheckers", ">\n\nThis will make a fine addition to my collection", ">\n\nThis was from before I became a \"professional coder\". I'm a bit better now, so I've begun working on the game from scratch now, utilizing less spaghetti code.", ">\n\ngotta love the underboob. the sight of it is guaranteed to improve your day.", ">\n\nUnless you're at Walmart, and they're hanging over a belt", ">\n\nUnderboobs often comes with a visible tummy. \nIt's a great combo.", ">\n\nThere a sub for that? Asking for me.", ">\n\nThere is definitely an underboob subreddit.", ">\n\nThere are at least two.", ">\n\nAnd my axe!", ">\n\nHow many times have you seen someone's tits fall out a normal cleavage? Coz I haven't? But have you ever seen a girl with an underboob shirt lift her arms? Tits come flying out", ">\n\nOnce. I've seen tits explode out of cleavage, (not on purpose) once. It was my great aunt. She was 76.", ">\n\nI'm so sorry/happy for you that you had to witness this", ">\n\nwhy are you happy bro damn he said she was his 76yo great aunt tf", ">\n\nHey, I said sorry/happy. No clue what he's into", ">\n\nFunny shit", ">\n\nUnder is closer to the nipple so I feel that makes it more risqué.", ">\n\nNot when you’re 40", ">\n\noh yea gimme some of that granny underboob.\nShe's showing underboob cleavage, but its a normal XL shirt", ">\n\nGranny? At 40?", ">\n\nImagine you have a kid at 20. And that kid has a kid at 20. How old are?\nNow have you ever met anyone that had a kid BEFORE 20?... I bet you have.", ">\n\nI know it’s technically possible to be a granny at 40. The vast majority of 40 year olds are not grandmothers however. I’m 40, husband is 43, our kids are 6.", ">\n\nLol well I'm about to hit 37. I know what you're saying. I'm just saying. Lots of grandparents across the globe are our age.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage basically shows that it’s not a bra doing the work and they really ARE that perky/voluminous. Plus lol it’s seen less so is just that more hot.", ">\n\nYeah I was going to say, they actually don’t always show the same thing. Cleavage can show many things, but often times it’s “what they look like while supported and pushed slightly together. Cleavage view vs natural can often be quite different. \nBut under boob cleavage, by very nature of no bra, a “is what you see is what you get” type deal.", ">\n\nIt does, under boob makes me far hornier than regular cleavage", ">\n\nSame, side boob and top boob are regular everyday occurrences. They have become somewhat played out. You can go to a church and you may see some top boob.\nUnder boob is a treat. An occasion. Something special", ">\n\nSide boob is my favorite boob", ">\n\nSide boob when classy. Under boob when casual. This is the scientific formula.", ">\n\nSide, under, top are all OK to be seen these days. My conclusion is ladies who want to show off should just put some pasties on and be done it.", ">\n\nYeah, agreed. Culturally, we’ve created a fetish out of boobs by forcing them to be concealed. It’s a feedback loop… they’re sexualized because they’re hidden, and they’re hidden because they’re sexualized. Gotta break the cycle.", ">\n\nLOL yeah tell that to thousands of years of evolution. They aren't sexualized because they're hidden. But I agree with your overall point.", ">\n\nHave you been to a nude beach, or just a beach outside of America? It becomes normalized very quickly and is nothing more fascinating than a leg. Just like legs can be well formed and attractive, so can boobs, but I don’t believe they are inherently more sexual than other parts of the body we don’t consider provocative.\nI’m surprised you bring up evolution when we can look to modern day tribes where the women are topless and it’s a non-event. Any time you prohibit something, that thing becomes more exciting. If you’re on a diet and not allowed to eat sugar, your first bite of cake in a year will be damn near orgasmic. Cake every day is boring. We love the forbidden and the taboo because we are novelty seekers.", ">\n\nI agree with you to the most part. \nBut i do think there is an evolutionairy element, due to them beeing the deciding factor if a woman will be able to nurture younglings. Sexualisation of them makes no sense in this context, BUT since it is a specific female body-trait, it will remind the male brain to fullfill his destiny", ">\n\nwhat abt lesbians then ? Are they “male brained” because they find tits attractive ?", ">\n\nThey’re usually a little more gradually sloping at the top, allowing for a bit more plausible deniability of exactly where they start. At the bottom it’s bam.", ">\n\nUnder boob and no bra… oh my gawd. What a time to be alive man.", ">\n\nIt’s not necessarily more risqué, but it certainly is more risky. One sudden movement and it’s over 😭", ">\n\nbut u r less like to accidentally flash someone if u just have upper boob cleavage rather than lower", ">\n\nThis is called Australian cleavage.\nBecause it is from down unda", ">\n\nWhat...you totally left out side-boob exposure? Now I'll have to go for a shower myself and give this topic some serious thought.", ">\n\nUnderboob usually means the entire torso is exposed while regular cleavage is just a few inches of chest and neck.", ">\n\nProbably just normalization. Top-of-boob is extremely common whereas bottom-of-boob is more difficulty and so more rare.", ">\n\nI think because it feels FAR less secure than “top cleavage”. Like one upward moving breeze and you’re fucked", ">\n\nHeh", ">\n\nTo show underboob, you’ve got to have your belly out too, no?", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear. Same amount if skin, but one is scandalous for people. Logic.", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear is more about the situation, not the amout of skin showing", ">\n\nAlso they wildly different type of fabric.\nIt's not much different than wearing a speedo becomes wildly less acceptable the further from water you get", ">\n\nMan, freshman year of highschool I took biology. My lab partner was this sophmore hippy chick. more often than not she wore crop tops with no bra. She would stretch by raising her arms way over her head like a dozen times per class and the underboob was glorious. good times.", ">\n\nUmmm missed signs / opportunity?", ">\n\nIt's been too many years to remember to be honest, but I think she had a boyfriend with a car and that was way too intimidating for 14 year old me. \n🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nYou typically only see the bottom of the boob when you can see the entire boob, so that's why I think it's so much more alluring. Way less common to see without also seeing a nipple.", ">\n\nUnderboob cleavage is like dogs watching you eat food waiting for you to drop some. Regular cleavage is dogs seeing food on the counter and knowing they're not allowed up there.", ">\n\nUnder-boob is 1 abrupt movement away from full titties. Normal cleavage needs a full handstand for that.", ">\n\nany woman can look good with top cleavage. only a special few can pull off bottom cleavage", ">\n\nA few? Oh, friend.\nThere are over 350,000 plumbers represented by the United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipefitting Industry of US and Canada!", ">\n\nThey are absolutely NOT the same. Underboob any day. Im also partial to side-tit", ">\n\nUnderboob is more provocative imo.. depending on the occasion it can br very sexy.", ">\n\nIdk man I can get a lot more boob details from under boob. You can kinda tell the size of the boobs from traditional cleavage. But under boob gives so much more info. Are they perky? Do they hang nicely? Are they centered or off to the sides? Are the nipples huge? All of these questions are answered.", ">\n\nI hate Anton levay, but he calls this The Law of the Forbidden.", ">\n\nIf we all wear knee and elbow pads. In a few 100 years or less even. Knees and elbows will become an aphrodisiac. \nSomething to take into account. We want what we can’t have. \nThis is my big argument on drug addiction and that most of addiction stems from the scarcity of drug supply. It’s not like Starbucks where you can get your CNS most times of the day and if Starbucks is close, gas stations got the back up for you CNS.", ">\n\nThere's a complete lack of appreciation for the under-boob in modern society.", ">\n\nUnderboob means no bra which drives our animalistic instincts, normal cleavage can be the result of a push up bra", ">\n\nI think it's hotter look & more realistic for every shape & size to look flattering. Love underboob. 🤙", ">\n\nI only read one mention of side boob.. with side boob, under boob, and cleavage I almost have a complete picture.", ">\n\nYou just reminded me of Channon's nipple window outfit in Transmetropolitan.", ">\n\nUnderboob is the only case of potential energy working in practice", ">\n\nWe don't see underboob on a daily basis, so it's the excitement of different even though it's not that different.", ">\n\nI love underboon. As others have pointed out, it's a less common sight, so it's more of a treat.", ">\n\nKinda like side boob", ">\n\nDon't even get me started on the occasional nipple sighting.", ">\n\nThe answer is gravity. More likely for them to fall out and be completely exposed.", ">\n\nOne has crumbs the other gets sweaty. Both are salty I guess", ">\n\nUnderboob is much more risqué, because then you’ll see my undernipple.", ">\n\nThis is like saying wine in a box is the same as wine in a bottle.", ">\n\nLet’s face it. Most guys are from the dark ages. They’re caveman. They like a woman to be showing her cleavage and under boob cleavage. But for me, a woman looks best when she is just absolutely naked.", ">\n\nI assume it's because of gravity.\nUnderboob has the rounded look that's in right now. The fake boob perky look.\nTop cleavage can with a good bra but gravity guarantees that nice round underboob.", ">\n\nI disagree completely. Tell the girl with under boob and the girl with normal cleavage to jump up and down and notice who slips out first.", ">\n\nThe answer would be me. I'd slip out first.", ">\n\nwhere does side-boob fall in the pantheon of breast visibility? asking for science.", ">\n\nOver < Side < Under.", ">\n\nUnderboob is just more honest, you know there’s no lies and deception there", ">\n\nOkay, I’m a woman and I do not know what what under-boob cleavage is 😂Someone please explain! My assumption is that it is cleavage that is some how developed from wearing like a tube top or something? Am I right? Lol", ">\n\nWhenever I see underboob cleavage all I can think about is boob sweat…😝maybe that’s because “underboob” is the armpit of the boobs…", ">\n\nYou're missing the side boob. Essentially the same thing essentially.", ">\n\nCall me crazy, but as I guy, I prefer underboob more so than the whole boob. And this is primarily when having sex...It just turns me on that much more.", ">\n\nDo you have an example? I’m a little unclear on the point are making.", ">\n\nTry telling Twitch that. Cleavage is fine but underboob gets banned.", ">\n\nYou are categorically seeing more skin if you are getting under boob.", ">\n\nI have this Bikini that shows a lot of under boob. I thought it was sexy. I asked my (then) BF if he likes it and wanted me to wear it. He said NO! He didn’t think it was a sexy as my regular small triangle shaped (on each boob) bikini 👙 top. My Girlfriends came to visit and we were going to the beach and I put on the under boob bikini top and they said “No! That’s too sexy!l”.", ">\n\nIt's essentially the same skin as anywhere else on the body, too.", ">\n\nCan’t believe people care so much about boobs.\nSure; they’re nice. But worth such discussion over? Way to commodify something simple and a bit nice", ">\n\nBecause biology.\nWant to talk about how societal norms and human biology clash in a weird way? Cleavage.", ">\n\nBecause gravity means they might slip off.\nAlso, at least for me as a man and the women I’ve been with, the preference is that they be cupped from the bottom when they intentionally expose themselves to me hahaha. \nI guess they feel supported that way idk feels good to me and them.", ">\n\nI'll take a knee", ">\n\nAlso usually means no bra is there", ">\n\nIt's also that you're getting teased, instead of just being shown everything.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage is illegal in my city (in California). It is in the ordinance prohibiting women being topless in public.", ">\n\nMy guess is that it’s the distance to nipple (dtn) that makes one feel more risky.", ">\n\nFor a bikini, yes. For shirts/ dresses, no.\nRegular cleavage expands an existing necessary hole in, under boob requires additional holes to exist just to show under boob.\nBut they are the same risqué as keyhole neck lines", ">\n\n....... because cleavage to at least some extent is frequently on display. I'm just a b-cup and the right bra will push up enough cleavage that I wouldn't wear the shirt to work but would have no issue wearing to publically like to dinner with family or friends.\nBut when do you ever see underboob publically outside perhaps a club? Swimming...? It's going to feel naughtier because it's so much rarer to see.", ">\n\nDepending on the time of month, they be at equilibrium and its awesome.", ">\n\nWhat can I say except that I’ve never seen an underboob in real life" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nUnderboob implies the possibility of gravity making it full boob", ">\n\nYeah, underboob carries a much higher risk of loss of containment.", ">\n\nand then you get a warp core breach.", ">\n\nStop it, you're overloading my PPS conduits", ">\n\nSounds like someone needs to scrub their plasma manifolds", ">\n\nLet me know if Dax is available", ">\n\nKurzon?", ">\n\nNo, I blame him for Jadzia's death lol", ">\n\nJadzia dies!?", ">\n\nDepends on your definition of \"dies\"", ">\n\nit defines the actual shape of the breast. \nAlso, it’s less common to see. Calves used to be risqué at one time.", ">\n\nYeah baby, show us that ankle\n-Victorian Era bros probably", ">\n\nFun fact: table \"legs\" were deemed potentially too arousing, hence the development of the table skirt.\nVictorian's were fucking weird.", ">\n\nI demand boobs on furniture.", ">\n\nboobs, and a whole lot more", ">\n\nNow that just makes it seem like the victorians were actually justified.", ">\n\nImagine having that hidden under a table skirt in Victorian England.", ">\n\noooh the scandal!", ">\n\nGene Roddenberry once said that when designing costumes for the original Star Trek back in the late 1960s, network censors allowed some top cleavage but forbade - to use your term - “under-boob cleavage.”", ">\n\nInteresting! This is a fascinating confirmation of my hunch.", ">\n\nI have been diagnosed with dementia.", ">\n\nYou know damn well that this is a common bug on reddit.", ">\n\nPerhaps he forgot", ">\n\nTrue. Also, \nGitHub.com/MOABdali/MegaCheckers", ">\n\nThis will make a fine addition to my collection", ">\n\nThis was from before I became a \"professional coder\". I'm a bit better now, so I've begun working on the game from scratch now, utilizing less spaghetti code.", ">\n\ngotta love the underboob. the sight of it is guaranteed to improve your day.", ">\n\nUnless you're at Walmart, and they're hanging over a belt", ">\n\nUnderboobs often comes with a visible tummy. \nIt's a great combo.", ">\n\nThere a sub for that? Asking for me.", ">\n\nThere is definitely an underboob subreddit.", ">\n\nThere are at least two.", ">\n\nAnd my axe!", ">\n\nHow many times have you seen someone's tits fall out a normal cleavage? Coz I haven't? But have you ever seen a girl with an underboob shirt lift her arms? Tits come flying out", ">\n\nOnce. I've seen tits explode out of cleavage, (not on purpose) once. It was my great aunt. She was 76.", ">\n\nI'm so sorry/happy for you that you had to witness this", ">\n\nwhy are you happy bro damn he said she was his 76yo great aunt tf", ">\n\nHey, I said sorry/happy. No clue what he's into", ">\n\nFunny shit", ">\n\nUnder is closer to the nipple so I feel that makes it more risqué.", ">\n\nNot when you’re 40", ">\n\noh yea gimme some of that granny underboob.\nShe's showing underboob cleavage, but its a normal XL shirt", ">\n\nGranny? At 40?", ">\n\nImagine you have a kid at 20. And that kid has a kid at 20. How old are?\nNow have you ever met anyone that had a kid BEFORE 20?... I bet you have.", ">\n\nI know it’s technically possible to be a granny at 40. The vast majority of 40 year olds are not grandmothers however. I’m 40, husband is 43, our kids are 6.", ">\n\nLol well I'm about to hit 37. I know what you're saying. I'm just saying. Lots of grandparents across the globe are our age.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage basically shows that it’s not a bra doing the work and they really ARE that perky/voluminous. Plus lol it’s seen less so is just that more hot.", ">\n\nYeah I was going to say, they actually don’t always show the same thing. Cleavage can show many things, but often times it’s “what they look like while supported and pushed slightly together. Cleavage view vs natural can often be quite different. \nBut under boob cleavage, by very nature of no bra, a “is what you see is what you get” type deal.", ">\n\nIt does, under boob makes me far hornier than regular cleavage", ">\n\nSame, side boob and top boob are regular everyday occurrences. They have become somewhat played out. You can go to a church and you may see some top boob.\nUnder boob is a treat. An occasion. Something special", ">\n\nSide boob is my favorite boob", ">\n\nSide boob when classy. Under boob when casual. This is the scientific formula.", ">\n\nSide, under, top are all OK to be seen these days. My conclusion is ladies who want to show off should just put some pasties on and be done it.", ">\n\nYeah, agreed. Culturally, we’ve created a fetish out of boobs by forcing them to be concealed. It’s a feedback loop… they’re sexualized because they’re hidden, and they’re hidden because they’re sexualized. Gotta break the cycle.", ">\n\nLOL yeah tell that to thousands of years of evolution. They aren't sexualized because they're hidden. But I agree with your overall point.", ">\n\nHave you been to a nude beach, or just a beach outside of America? It becomes normalized very quickly and is nothing more fascinating than a leg. Just like legs can be well formed and attractive, so can boobs, but I don’t believe they are inherently more sexual than other parts of the body we don’t consider provocative.\nI’m surprised you bring up evolution when we can look to modern day tribes where the women are topless and it’s a non-event. Any time you prohibit something, that thing becomes more exciting. If you’re on a diet and not allowed to eat sugar, your first bite of cake in a year will be damn near orgasmic. Cake every day is boring. We love the forbidden and the taboo because we are novelty seekers.", ">\n\nI agree with you to the most part. \nBut i do think there is an evolutionairy element, due to them beeing the deciding factor if a woman will be able to nurture younglings. Sexualisation of them makes no sense in this context, BUT since it is a specific female body-trait, it will remind the male brain to fullfill his destiny", ">\n\nwhat abt lesbians then ? Are they “male brained” because they find tits attractive ?", ">\n\nThey’re usually a little more gradually sloping at the top, allowing for a bit more plausible deniability of exactly where they start. At the bottom it’s bam.", ">\n\nUnder boob and no bra… oh my gawd. What a time to be alive man.", ">\n\nIt’s not necessarily more risqué, but it certainly is more risky. One sudden movement and it’s over 😭", ">\n\nbut u r less like to accidentally flash someone if u just have upper boob cleavage rather than lower", ">\n\nThis is called Australian cleavage.\nBecause it is from down unda", ">\n\nWhat...you totally left out side-boob exposure? Now I'll have to go for a shower myself and give this topic some serious thought.", ">\n\nUnderboob usually means the entire torso is exposed while regular cleavage is just a few inches of chest and neck.", ">\n\nProbably just normalization. Top-of-boob is extremely common whereas bottom-of-boob is more difficulty and so more rare.", ">\n\nI think because it feels FAR less secure than “top cleavage”. Like one upward moving breeze and you’re fucked", ">\n\nHeh", ">\n\nTo show underboob, you’ve got to have your belly out too, no?", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear. Same amount if skin, but one is scandalous for people. Logic.", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear is more about the situation, not the amout of skin showing", ">\n\nAlso they wildly different type of fabric.\nIt's not much different than wearing a speedo becomes wildly less acceptable the further from water you get", ">\n\nMan, freshman year of highschool I took biology. My lab partner was this sophmore hippy chick. more often than not she wore crop tops with no bra. She would stretch by raising her arms way over her head like a dozen times per class and the underboob was glorious. good times.", ">\n\nUmmm missed signs / opportunity?", ">\n\nIt's been too many years to remember to be honest, but I think she had a boyfriend with a car and that was way too intimidating for 14 year old me. \n🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nYou typically only see the bottom of the boob when you can see the entire boob, so that's why I think it's so much more alluring. Way less common to see without also seeing a nipple.", ">\n\nUnderboob cleavage is like dogs watching you eat food waiting for you to drop some. Regular cleavage is dogs seeing food on the counter and knowing they're not allowed up there.", ">\n\nUnder-boob is 1 abrupt movement away from full titties. Normal cleavage needs a full handstand for that.", ">\n\nany woman can look good with top cleavage. only a special few can pull off bottom cleavage", ">\n\nA few? Oh, friend.\nThere are over 350,000 plumbers represented by the United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipefitting Industry of US and Canada!", ">\n\nThey are absolutely NOT the same. Underboob any day. Im also partial to side-tit", ">\n\nUnderboob is more provocative imo.. depending on the occasion it can br very sexy.", ">\n\nIdk man I can get a lot more boob details from under boob. You can kinda tell the size of the boobs from traditional cleavage. But under boob gives so much more info. Are they perky? Do they hang nicely? Are they centered or off to the sides? Are the nipples huge? All of these questions are answered.", ">\n\nI hate Anton levay, but he calls this The Law of the Forbidden.", ">\n\nIf we all wear knee and elbow pads. In a few 100 years or less even. Knees and elbows will become an aphrodisiac. \nSomething to take into account. We want what we can’t have. \nThis is my big argument on drug addiction and that most of addiction stems from the scarcity of drug supply. It’s not like Starbucks where you can get your CNS most times of the day and if Starbucks is close, gas stations got the back up for you CNS.", ">\n\nThere's a complete lack of appreciation for the under-boob in modern society.", ">\n\nUnderboob means no bra which drives our animalistic instincts, normal cleavage can be the result of a push up bra", ">\n\nI think it's hotter look & more realistic for every shape & size to look flattering. Love underboob. 🤙", ">\n\nI only read one mention of side boob.. with side boob, under boob, and cleavage I almost have a complete picture.", ">\n\nYou just reminded me of Channon's nipple window outfit in Transmetropolitan.", ">\n\nUnderboob is the only case of potential energy working in practice", ">\n\nWe don't see underboob on a daily basis, so it's the excitement of different even though it's not that different.", ">\n\nI love underboon. As others have pointed out, it's a less common sight, so it's more of a treat.", ">\n\nKinda like side boob", ">\n\nDon't even get me started on the occasional nipple sighting.", ">\n\nThe answer is gravity. More likely for them to fall out and be completely exposed.", ">\n\nOne has crumbs the other gets sweaty. Both are salty I guess", ">\n\nUnderboob is much more risqué, because then you’ll see my undernipple.", ">\n\nThis is like saying wine in a box is the same as wine in a bottle.", ">\n\nLet’s face it. Most guys are from the dark ages. They’re caveman. They like a woman to be showing her cleavage and under boob cleavage. But for me, a woman looks best when she is just absolutely naked.", ">\n\nI assume it's because of gravity.\nUnderboob has the rounded look that's in right now. The fake boob perky look.\nTop cleavage can with a good bra but gravity guarantees that nice round underboob.", ">\n\nI disagree completely. Tell the girl with under boob and the girl with normal cleavage to jump up and down and notice who slips out first.", ">\n\nThe answer would be me. I'd slip out first.", ">\n\nwhere does side-boob fall in the pantheon of breast visibility? asking for science.", ">\n\nOver < Side < Under.", ">\n\nUnderboob is just more honest, you know there’s no lies and deception there", ">\n\nOkay, I’m a woman and I do not know what what under-boob cleavage is 😂Someone please explain! My assumption is that it is cleavage that is some how developed from wearing like a tube top or something? Am I right? Lol", ">\n\nWhenever I see underboob cleavage all I can think about is boob sweat…😝maybe that’s because “underboob” is the armpit of the boobs…", ">\n\nYou're missing the side boob. Essentially the same thing essentially.", ">\n\nCall me crazy, but as I guy, I prefer underboob more so than the whole boob. And this is primarily when having sex...It just turns me on that much more.", ">\n\nDo you have an example? I’m a little unclear on the point are making.", ">\n\nTry telling Twitch that. Cleavage is fine but underboob gets banned.", ">\n\nYou are categorically seeing more skin if you are getting under boob.", ">\n\nI have this Bikini that shows a lot of under boob. I thought it was sexy. I asked my (then) BF if he likes it and wanted me to wear it. He said NO! He didn’t think it was a sexy as my regular small triangle shaped (on each boob) bikini 👙 top. My Girlfriends came to visit and we were going to the beach and I put on the under boob bikini top and they said “No! That’s too sexy!l”.", ">\n\nIt's essentially the same skin as anywhere else on the body, too.", ">\n\nCan’t believe people care so much about boobs.\nSure; they’re nice. But worth such discussion over? Way to commodify something simple and a bit nice", ">\n\nBecause biology.\nWant to talk about how societal norms and human biology clash in a weird way? Cleavage.", ">\n\nBecause gravity means they might slip off.\nAlso, at least for me as a man and the women I’ve been with, the preference is that they be cupped from the bottom when they intentionally expose themselves to me hahaha. \nI guess they feel supported that way idk feels good to me and them.", ">\n\nI'll take a knee", ">\n\nAlso usually means no bra is there", ">\n\nIt's also that you're getting teased, instead of just being shown everything.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage is illegal in my city (in California). It is in the ordinance prohibiting women being topless in public.", ">\n\nMy guess is that it’s the distance to nipple (dtn) that makes one feel more risky.", ">\n\nFor a bikini, yes. For shirts/ dresses, no.\nRegular cleavage expands an existing necessary hole in, under boob requires additional holes to exist just to show under boob.\nBut they are the same risqué as keyhole neck lines", ">\n\n....... because cleavage to at least some extent is frequently on display. I'm just a b-cup and the right bra will push up enough cleavage that I wouldn't wear the shirt to work but would have no issue wearing to publically like to dinner with family or friends.\nBut when do you ever see underboob publically outside perhaps a club? Swimming...? It's going to feel naughtier because it's so much rarer to see.", ">\n\nDepending on the time of month, they be at equilibrium and its awesome.", ">\n\nWhat can I say except that I’ve never seen an underboob in real life", ">\n\nI would argue that it's not. You can have regular cleavage whenever. Underboob cleavage only happens in the absence of a bra." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nUnderboob implies the possibility of gravity making it full boob", ">\n\nYeah, underboob carries a much higher risk of loss of containment.", ">\n\nand then you get a warp core breach.", ">\n\nStop it, you're overloading my PPS conduits", ">\n\nSounds like someone needs to scrub their plasma manifolds", ">\n\nLet me know if Dax is available", ">\n\nKurzon?", ">\n\nNo, I blame him for Jadzia's death lol", ">\n\nJadzia dies!?", ">\n\nDepends on your definition of \"dies\"", ">\n\nit defines the actual shape of the breast. \nAlso, it’s less common to see. Calves used to be risqué at one time.", ">\n\nYeah baby, show us that ankle\n-Victorian Era bros probably", ">\n\nFun fact: table \"legs\" were deemed potentially too arousing, hence the development of the table skirt.\nVictorian's were fucking weird.", ">\n\nI demand boobs on furniture.", ">\n\nboobs, and a whole lot more", ">\n\nNow that just makes it seem like the victorians were actually justified.", ">\n\nImagine having that hidden under a table skirt in Victorian England.", ">\n\noooh the scandal!", ">\n\nGene Roddenberry once said that when designing costumes for the original Star Trek back in the late 1960s, network censors allowed some top cleavage but forbade - to use your term - “under-boob cleavage.”", ">\n\nInteresting! This is a fascinating confirmation of my hunch.", ">\n\nI have been diagnosed with dementia.", ">\n\nYou know damn well that this is a common bug on reddit.", ">\n\nPerhaps he forgot", ">\n\nTrue. Also, \nGitHub.com/MOABdali/MegaCheckers", ">\n\nThis will make a fine addition to my collection", ">\n\nThis was from before I became a \"professional coder\". I'm a bit better now, so I've begun working on the game from scratch now, utilizing less spaghetti code.", ">\n\ngotta love the underboob. the sight of it is guaranteed to improve your day.", ">\n\nUnless you're at Walmart, and they're hanging over a belt", ">\n\nUnderboobs often comes with a visible tummy. \nIt's a great combo.", ">\n\nThere a sub for that? Asking for me.", ">\n\nThere is definitely an underboob subreddit.", ">\n\nThere are at least two.", ">\n\nAnd my axe!", ">\n\nHow many times have you seen someone's tits fall out a normal cleavage? Coz I haven't? But have you ever seen a girl with an underboob shirt lift her arms? Tits come flying out", ">\n\nOnce. I've seen tits explode out of cleavage, (not on purpose) once. It was my great aunt. She was 76.", ">\n\nI'm so sorry/happy for you that you had to witness this", ">\n\nwhy are you happy bro damn he said she was his 76yo great aunt tf", ">\n\nHey, I said sorry/happy. No clue what he's into", ">\n\nFunny shit", ">\n\nUnder is closer to the nipple so I feel that makes it more risqué.", ">\n\nNot when you’re 40", ">\n\noh yea gimme some of that granny underboob.\nShe's showing underboob cleavage, but its a normal XL shirt", ">\n\nGranny? At 40?", ">\n\nImagine you have a kid at 20. And that kid has a kid at 20. How old are?\nNow have you ever met anyone that had a kid BEFORE 20?... I bet you have.", ">\n\nI know it’s technically possible to be a granny at 40. The vast majority of 40 year olds are not grandmothers however. I’m 40, husband is 43, our kids are 6.", ">\n\nLol well I'm about to hit 37. I know what you're saying. I'm just saying. Lots of grandparents across the globe are our age.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage basically shows that it’s not a bra doing the work and they really ARE that perky/voluminous. Plus lol it’s seen less so is just that more hot.", ">\n\nYeah I was going to say, they actually don’t always show the same thing. Cleavage can show many things, but often times it’s “what they look like while supported and pushed slightly together. Cleavage view vs natural can often be quite different. \nBut under boob cleavage, by very nature of no bra, a “is what you see is what you get” type deal.", ">\n\nIt does, under boob makes me far hornier than regular cleavage", ">\n\nSame, side boob and top boob are regular everyday occurrences. They have become somewhat played out. You can go to a church and you may see some top boob.\nUnder boob is a treat. An occasion. Something special", ">\n\nSide boob is my favorite boob", ">\n\nSide boob when classy. Under boob when casual. This is the scientific formula.", ">\n\nSide, under, top are all OK to be seen these days. My conclusion is ladies who want to show off should just put some pasties on and be done it.", ">\n\nYeah, agreed. Culturally, we’ve created a fetish out of boobs by forcing them to be concealed. It’s a feedback loop… they’re sexualized because they’re hidden, and they’re hidden because they’re sexualized. Gotta break the cycle.", ">\n\nLOL yeah tell that to thousands of years of evolution. They aren't sexualized because they're hidden. But I agree with your overall point.", ">\n\nHave you been to a nude beach, or just a beach outside of America? It becomes normalized very quickly and is nothing more fascinating than a leg. Just like legs can be well formed and attractive, so can boobs, but I don’t believe they are inherently more sexual than other parts of the body we don’t consider provocative.\nI’m surprised you bring up evolution when we can look to modern day tribes where the women are topless and it’s a non-event. Any time you prohibit something, that thing becomes more exciting. If you’re on a diet and not allowed to eat sugar, your first bite of cake in a year will be damn near orgasmic. Cake every day is boring. We love the forbidden and the taboo because we are novelty seekers.", ">\n\nI agree with you to the most part. \nBut i do think there is an evolutionairy element, due to them beeing the deciding factor if a woman will be able to nurture younglings. Sexualisation of them makes no sense in this context, BUT since it is a specific female body-trait, it will remind the male brain to fullfill his destiny", ">\n\nwhat abt lesbians then ? Are they “male brained” because they find tits attractive ?", ">\n\nThey’re usually a little more gradually sloping at the top, allowing for a bit more plausible deniability of exactly where they start. At the bottom it’s bam.", ">\n\nUnder boob and no bra… oh my gawd. What a time to be alive man.", ">\n\nIt’s not necessarily more risqué, but it certainly is more risky. One sudden movement and it’s over 😭", ">\n\nbut u r less like to accidentally flash someone if u just have upper boob cleavage rather than lower", ">\n\nThis is called Australian cleavage.\nBecause it is from down unda", ">\n\nWhat...you totally left out side-boob exposure? Now I'll have to go for a shower myself and give this topic some serious thought.", ">\n\nUnderboob usually means the entire torso is exposed while regular cleavage is just a few inches of chest and neck.", ">\n\nProbably just normalization. Top-of-boob is extremely common whereas bottom-of-boob is more difficulty and so more rare.", ">\n\nI think because it feels FAR less secure than “top cleavage”. Like one upward moving breeze and you’re fucked", ">\n\nHeh", ">\n\nTo show underboob, you’ve got to have your belly out too, no?", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear. Same amount if skin, but one is scandalous for people. Logic.", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear is more about the situation, not the amout of skin showing", ">\n\nAlso they wildly different type of fabric.\nIt's not much different than wearing a speedo becomes wildly less acceptable the further from water you get", ">\n\nMan, freshman year of highschool I took biology. My lab partner was this sophmore hippy chick. more often than not she wore crop tops with no bra. She would stretch by raising her arms way over her head like a dozen times per class and the underboob was glorious. good times.", ">\n\nUmmm missed signs / opportunity?", ">\n\nIt's been too many years to remember to be honest, but I think she had a boyfriend with a car and that was way too intimidating for 14 year old me. \n🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nYou typically only see the bottom of the boob when you can see the entire boob, so that's why I think it's so much more alluring. Way less common to see without also seeing a nipple.", ">\n\nUnderboob cleavage is like dogs watching you eat food waiting for you to drop some. Regular cleavage is dogs seeing food on the counter and knowing they're not allowed up there.", ">\n\nUnder-boob is 1 abrupt movement away from full titties. Normal cleavage needs a full handstand for that.", ">\n\nany woman can look good with top cleavage. only a special few can pull off bottom cleavage", ">\n\nA few? Oh, friend.\nThere are over 350,000 plumbers represented by the United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipefitting Industry of US and Canada!", ">\n\nThey are absolutely NOT the same. Underboob any day. Im also partial to side-tit", ">\n\nUnderboob is more provocative imo.. depending on the occasion it can br very sexy.", ">\n\nIdk man I can get a lot more boob details from under boob. You can kinda tell the size of the boobs from traditional cleavage. But under boob gives so much more info. Are they perky? Do they hang nicely? Are they centered or off to the sides? Are the nipples huge? All of these questions are answered.", ">\n\nI hate Anton levay, but he calls this The Law of the Forbidden.", ">\n\nIf we all wear knee and elbow pads. In a few 100 years or less even. Knees and elbows will become an aphrodisiac. \nSomething to take into account. We want what we can’t have. \nThis is my big argument on drug addiction and that most of addiction stems from the scarcity of drug supply. It’s not like Starbucks where you can get your CNS most times of the day and if Starbucks is close, gas stations got the back up for you CNS.", ">\n\nThere's a complete lack of appreciation for the under-boob in modern society.", ">\n\nUnderboob means no bra which drives our animalistic instincts, normal cleavage can be the result of a push up bra", ">\n\nI think it's hotter look & more realistic for every shape & size to look flattering. Love underboob. 🤙", ">\n\nI only read one mention of side boob.. with side boob, under boob, and cleavage I almost have a complete picture.", ">\n\nYou just reminded me of Channon's nipple window outfit in Transmetropolitan.", ">\n\nUnderboob is the only case of potential energy working in practice", ">\n\nWe don't see underboob on a daily basis, so it's the excitement of different even though it's not that different.", ">\n\nI love underboon. As others have pointed out, it's a less common sight, so it's more of a treat.", ">\n\nKinda like side boob", ">\n\nDon't even get me started on the occasional nipple sighting.", ">\n\nThe answer is gravity. More likely for them to fall out and be completely exposed.", ">\n\nOne has crumbs the other gets sweaty. Both are salty I guess", ">\n\nUnderboob is much more risqué, because then you’ll see my undernipple.", ">\n\nThis is like saying wine in a box is the same as wine in a bottle.", ">\n\nLet’s face it. Most guys are from the dark ages. They’re caveman. They like a woman to be showing her cleavage and under boob cleavage. But for me, a woman looks best when she is just absolutely naked.", ">\n\nI assume it's because of gravity.\nUnderboob has the rounded look that's in right now. The fake boob perky look.\nTop cleavage can with a good bra but gravity guarantees that nice round underboob.", ">\n\nI disagree completely. Tell the girl with under boob and the girl with normal cleavage to jump up and down and notice who slips out first.", ">\n\nThe answer would be me. I'd slip out first.", ">\n\nwhere does side-boob fall in the pantheon of breast visibility? asking for science.", ">\n\nOver < Side < Under.", ">\n\nUnderboob is just more honest, you know there’s no lies and deception there", ">\n\nOkay, I’m a woman and I do not know what what under-boob cleavage is 😂Someone please explain! My assumption is that it is cleavage that is some how developed from wearing like a tube top or something? Am I right? Lol", ">\n\nWhenever I see underboob cleavage all I can think about is boob sweat…😝maybe that’s because “underboob” is the armpit of the boobs…", ">\n\nYou're missing the side boob. Essentially the same thing essentially.", ">\n\nCall me crazy, but as I guy, I prefer underboob more so than the whole boob. And this is primarily when having sex...It just turns me on that much more.", ">\n\nDo you have an example? I’m a little unclear on the point are making.", ">\n\nTry telling Twitch that. Cleavage is fine but underboob gets banned.", ">\n\nYou are categorically seeing more skin if you are getting under boob.", ">\n\nI have this Bikini that shows a lot of under boob. I thought it was sexy. I asked my (then) BF if he likes it and wanted me to wear it. He said NO! He didn’t think it was a sexy as my regular small triangle shaped (on each boob) bikini 👙 top. My Girlfriends came to visit and we were going to the beach and I put on the under boob bikini top and they said “No! That’s too sexy!l”.", ">\n\nIt's essentially the same skin as anywhere else on the body, too.", ">\n\nCan’t believe people care so much about boobs.\nSure; they’re nice. But worth such discussion over? Way to commodify something simple and a bit nice", ">\n\nBecause biology.\nWant to talk about how societal norms and human biology clash in a weird way? Cleavage.", ">\n\nBecause gravity means they might slip off.\nAlso, at least for me as a man and the women I’ve been with, the preference is that they be cupped from the bottom when they intentionally expose themselves to me hahaha. \nI guess they feel supported that way idk feels good to me and them.", ">\n\nI'll take a knee", ">\n\nAlso usually means no bra is there", ">\n\nIt's also that you're getting teased, instead of just being shown everything.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage is illegal in my city (in California). It is in the ordinance prohibiting women being topless in public.", ">\n\nMy guess is that it’s the distance to nipple (dtn) that makes one feel more risky.", ">\n\nFor a bikini, yes. For shirts/ dresses, no.\nRegular cleavage expands an existing necessary hole in, under boob requires additional holes to exist just to show under boob.\nBut they are the same risqué as keyhole neck lines", ">\n\n....... because cleavage to at least some extent is frequently on display. I'm just a b-cup and the right bra will push up enough cleavage that I wouldn't wear the shirt to work but would have no issue wearing to publically like to dinner with family or friends.\nBut when do you ever see underboob publically outside perhaps a club? Swimming...? It's going to feel naughtier because it's so much rarer to see.", ">\n\nDepending on the time of month, they be at equilibrium and its awesome.", ">\n\nWhat can I say except that I’ve never seen an underboob in real life", ">\n\nI would argue that it's not. You can have regular cleavage whenever. Underboob cleavage only happens in the absence of a bra.", ">\n\nUnderboob IS risqué because sometimes there are things under the underboob that are not pleasant" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nUnderboob implies the possibility of gravity making it full boob", ">\n\nYeah, underboob carries a much higher risk of loss of containment.", ">\n\nand then you get a warp core breach.", ">\n\nStop it, you're overloading my PPS conduits", ">\n\nSounds like someone needs to scrub their plasma manifolds", ">\n\nLet me know if Dax is available", ">\n\nKurzon?", ">\n\nNo, I blame him for Jadzia's death lol", ">\n\nJadzia dies!?", ">\n\nDepends on your definition of \"dies\"", ">\n\nit defines the actual shape of the breast. \nAlso, it’s less common to see. Calves used to be risqué at one time.", ">\n\nYeah baby, show us that ankle\n-Victorian Era bros probably", ">\n\nFun fact: table \"legs\" were deemed potentially too arousing, hence the development of the table skirt.\nVictorian's were fucking weird.", ">\n\nI demand boobs on furniture.", ">\n\nboobs, and a whole lot more", ">\n\nNow that just makes it seem like the victorians were actually justified.", ">\n\nImagine having that hidden under a table skirt in Victorian England.", ">\n\noooh the scandal!", ">\n\nGene Roddenberry once said that when designing costumes for the original Star Trek back in the late 1960s, network censors allowed some top cleavage but forbade - to use your term - “under-boob cleavage.”", ">\n\nInteresting! This is a fascinating confirmation of my hunch.", ">\n\nI have been diagnosed with dementia.", ">\n\nYou know damn well that this is a common bug on reddit.", ">\n\nPerhaps he forgot", ">\n\nTrue. Also, \nGitHub.com/MOABdali/MegaCheckers", ">\n\nThis will make a fine addition to my collection", ">\n\nThis was from before I became a \"professional coder\". I'm a bit better now, so I've begun working on the game from scratch now, utilizing less spaghetti code.", ">\n\ngotta love the underboob. the sight of it is guaranteed to improve your day.", ">\n\nUnless you're at Walmart, and they're hanging over a belt", ">\n\nUnderboobs often comes with a visible tummy. \nIt's a great combo.", ">\n\nThere a sub for that? Asking for me.", ">\n\nThere is definitely an underboob subreddit.", ">\n\nThere are at least two.", ">\n\nAnd my axe!", ">\n\nHow many times have you seen someone's tits fall out a normal cleavage? Coz I haven't? But have you ever seen a girl with an underboob shirt lift her arms? Tits come flying out", ">\n\nOnce. I've seen tits explode out of cleavage, (not on purpose) once. It was my great aunt. She was 76.", ">\n\nI'm so sorry/happy for you that you had to witness this", ">\n\nwhy are you happy bro damn he said she was his 76yo great aunt tf", ">\n\nHey, I said sorry/happy. No clue what he's into", ">\n\nFunny shit", ">\n\nUnder is closer to the nipple so I feel that makes it more risqué.", ">\n\nNot when you’re 40", ">\n\noh yea gimme some of that granny underboob.\nShe's showing underboob cleavage, but its a normal XL shirt", ">\n\nGranny? At 40?", ">\n\nImagine you have a kid at 20. And that kid has a kid at 20. How old are?\nNow have you ever met anyone that had a kid BEFORE 20?... I bet you have.", ">\n\nI know it’s technically possible to be a granny at 40. The vast majority of 40 year olds are not grandmothers however. I’m 40, husband is 43, our kids are 6.", ">\n\nLol well I'm about to hit 37. I know what you're saying. I'm just saying. Lots of grandparents across the globe are our age.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage basically shows that it’s not a bra doing the work and they really ARE that perky/voluminous. Plus lol it’s seen less so is just that more hot.", ">\n\nYeah I was going to say, they actually don’t always show the same thing. Cleavage can show many things, but often times it’s “what they look like while supported and pushed slightly together. Cleavage view vs natural can often be quite different. \nBut under boob cleavage, by very nature of no bra, a “is what you see is what you get” type deal.", ">\n\nIt does, under boob makes me far hornier than regular cleavage", ">\n\nSame, side boob and top boob are regular everyday occurrences. They have become somewhat played out. You can go to a church and you may see some top boob.\nUnder boob is a treat. An occasion. Something special", ">\n\nSide boob is my favorite boob", ">\n\nSide boob when classy. Under boob when casual. This is the scientific formula.", ">\n\nSide, under, top are all OK to be seen these days. My conclusion is ladies who want to show off should just put some pasties on and be done it.", ">\n\nYeah, agreed. Culturally, we’ve created a fetish out of boobs by forcing them to be concealed. It’s a feedback loop… they’re sexualized because they’re hidden, and they’re hidden because they’re sexualized. Gotta break the cycle.", ">\n\nLOL yeah tell that to thousands of years of evolution. They aren't sexualized because they're hidden. But I agree with your overall point.", ">\n\nHave you been to a nude beach, or just a beach outside of America? It becomes normalized very quickly and is nothing more fascinating than a leg. Just like legs can be well formed and attractive, so can boobs, but I don’t believe they are inherently more sexual than other parts of the body we don’t consider provocative.\nI’m surprised you bring up evolution when we can look to modern day tribes where the women are topless and it’s a non-event. Any time you prohibit something, that thing becomes more exciting. If you’re on a diet and not allowed to eat sugar, your first bite of cake in a year will be damn near orgasmic. Cake every day is boring. We love the forbidden and the taboo because we are novelty seekers.", ">\n\nI agree with you to the most part. \nBut i do think there is an evolutionairy element, due to them beeing the deciding factor if a woman will be able to nurture younglings. Sexualisation of them makes no sense in this context, BUT since it is a specific female body-trait, it will remind the male brain to fullfill his destiny", ">\n\nwhat abt lesbians then ? Are they “male brained” because they find tits attractive ?", ">\n\nThey’re usually a little more gradually sloping at the top, allowing for a bit more plausible deniability of exactly where they start. At the bottom it’s bam.", ">\n\nUnder boob and no bra… oh my gawd. What a time to be alive man.", ">\n\nIt’s not necessarily more risqué, but it certainly is more risky. One sudden movement and it’s over 😭", ">\n\nbut u r less like to accidentally flash someone if u just have upper boob cleavage rather than lower", ">\n\nThis is called Australian cleavage.\nBecause it is from down unda", ">\n\nWhat...you totally left out side-boob exposure? Now I'll have to go for a shower myself and give this topic some serious thought.", ">\n\nUnderboob usually means the entire torso is exposed while regular cleavage is just a few inches of chest and neck.", ">\n\nProbably just normalization. Top-of-boob is extremely common whereas bottom-of-boob is more difficulty and so more rare.", ">\n\nI think because it feels FAR less secure than “top cleavage”. Like one upward moving breeze and you’re fucked", ">\n\nHeh", ">\n\nTo show underboob, you’ve got to have your belly out too, no?", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear. Same amount if skin, but one is scandalous for people. Logic.", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear is more about the situation, not the amout of skin showing", ">\n\nAlso they wildly different type of fabric.\nIt's not much different than wearing a speedo becomes wildly less acceptable the further from water you get", ">\n\nMan, freshman year of highschool I took biology. My lab partner was this sophmore hippy chick. more often than not she wore crop tops with no bra. She would stretch by raising her arms way over her head like a dozen times per class and the underboob was glorious. good times.", ">\n\nUmmm missed signs / opportunity?", ">\n\nIt's been too many years to remember to be honest, but I think she had a boyfriend with a car and that was way too intimidating for 14 year old me. \n🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nYou typically only see the bottom of the boob when you can see the entire boob, so that's why I think it's so much more alluring. Way less common to see without also seeing a nipple.", ">\n\nUnderboob cleavage is like dogs watching you eat food waiting for you to drop some. Regular cleavage is dogs seeing food on the counter and knowing they're not allowed up there.", ">\n\nUnder-boob is 1 abrupt movement away from full titties. Normal cleavage needs a full handstand for that.", ">\n\nany woman can look good with top cleavage. only a special few can pull off bottom cleavage", ">\n\nA few? Oh, friend.\nThere are over 350,000 plumbers represented by the United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipefitting Industry of US and Canada!", ">\n\nThey are absolutely NOT the same. Underboob any day. Im also partial to side-tit", ">\n\nUnderboob is more provocative imo.. depending on the occasion it can br very sexy.", ">\n\nIdk man I can get a lot more boob details from under boob. You can kinda tell the size of the boobs from traditional cleavage. But under boob gives so much more info. Are they perky? Do they hang nicely? Are they centered or off to the sides? Are the nipples huge? All of these questions are answered.", ">\n\nI hate Anton levay, but he calls this The Law of the Forbidden.", ">\n\nIf we all wear knee and elbow pads. In a few 100 years or less even. Knees and elbows will become an aphrodisiac. \nSomething to take into account. We want what we can’t have. \nThis is my big argument on drug addiction and that most of addiction stems from the scarcity of drug supply. It’s not like Starbucks where you can get your CNS most times of the day and if Starbucks is close, gas stations got the back up for you CNS.", ">\n\nThere's a complete lack of appreciation for the under-boob in modern society.", ">\n\nUnderboob means no bra which drives our animalistic instincts, normal cleavage can be the result of a push up bra", ">\n\nI think it's hotter look & more realistic for every shape & size to look flattering. Love underboob. 🤙", ">\n\nI only read one mention of side boob.. with side boob, under boob, and cleavage I almost have a complete picture.", ">\n\nYou just reminded me of Channon's nipple window outfit in Transmetropolitan.", ">\n\nUnderboob is the only case of potential energy working in practice", ">\n\nWe don't see underboob on a daily basis, so it's the excitement of different even though it's not that different.", ">\n\nI love underboon. As others have pointed out, it's a less common sight, so it's more of a treat.", ">\n\nKinda like side boob", ">\n\nDon't even get me started on the occasional nipple sighting.", ">\n\nThe answer is gravity. More likely for them to fall out and be completely exposed.", ">\n\nOne has crumbs the other gets sweaty. Both are salty I guess", ">\n\nUnderboob is much more risqué, because then you’ll see my undernipple.", ">\n\nThis is like saying wine in a box is the same as wine in a bottle.", ">\n\nLet’s face it. Most guys are from the dark ages. They’re caveman. They like a woman to be showing her cleavage and under boob cleavage. But for me, a woman looks best when she is just absolutely naked.", ">\n\nI assume it's because of gravity.\nUnderboob has the rounded look that's in right now. The fake boob perky look.\nTop cleavage can with a good bra but gravity guarantees that nice round underboob.", ">\n\nI disagree completely. Tell the girl with under boob and the girl with normal cleavage to jump up and down and notice who slips out first.", ">\n\nThe answer would be me. I'd slip out first.", ">\n\nwhere does side-boob fall in the pantheon of breast visibility? asking for science.", ">\n\nOver < Side < Under.", ">\n\nUnderboob is just more honest, you know there’s no lies and deception there", ">\n\nOkay, I’m a woman and I do not know what what under-boob cleavage is 😂Someone please explain! My assumption is that it is cleavage that is some how developed from wearing like a tube top or something? Am I right? Lol", ">\n\nWhenever I see underboob cleavage all I can think about is boob sweat…😝maybe that’s because “underboob” is the armpit of the boobs…", ">\n\nYou're missing the side boob. Essentially the same thing essentially.", ">\n\nCall me crazy, but as I guy, I prefer underboob more so than the whole boob. And this is primarily when having sex...It just turns me on that much more.", ">\n\nDo you have an example? I’m a little unclear on the point are making.", ">\n\nTry telling Twitch that. Cleavage is fine but underboob gets banned.", ">\n\nYou are categorically seeing more skin if you are getting under boob.", ">\n\nI have this Bikini that shows a lot of under boob. I thought it was sexy. I asked my (then) BF if he likes it and wanted me to wear it. He said NO! He didn’t think it was a sexy as my regular small triangle shaped (on each boob) bikini 👙 top. My Girlfriends came to visit and we were going to the beach and I put on the under boob bikini top and they said “No! That’s too sexy!l”.", ">\n\nIt's essentially the same skin as anywhere else on the body, too.", ">\n\nCan’t believe people care so much about boobs.\nSure; they’re nice. But worth such discussion over? Way to commodify something simple and a bit nice", ">\n\nBecause biology.\nWant to talk about how societal norms and human biology clash in a weird way? Cleavage.", ">\n\nBecause gravity means they might slip off.\nAlso, at least for me as a man and the women I’ve been with, the preference is that they be cupped from the bottom when they intentionally expose themselves to me hahaha. \nI guess they feel supported that way idk feels good to me and them.", ">\n\nI'll take a knee", ">\n\nAlso usually means no bra is there", ">\n\nIt's also that you're getting teased, instead of just being shown everything.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage is illegal in my city (in California). It is in the ordinance prohibiting women being topless in public.", ">\n\nMy guess is that it’s the distance to nipple (dtn) that makes one feel more risky.", ">\n\nFor a bikini, yes. For shirts/ dresses, no.\nRegular cleavage expands an existing necessary hole in, under boob requires additional holes to exist just to show under boob.\nBut they are the same risqué as keyhole neck lines", ">\n\n....... because cleavage to at least some extent is frequently on display. I'm just a b-cup and the right bra will push up enough cleavage that I wouldn't wear the shirt to work but would have no issue wearing to publically like to dinner with family or friends.\nBut when do you ever see underboob publically outside perhaps a club? Swimming...? It's going to feel naughtier because it's so much rarer to see.", ">\n\nDepending on the time of month, they be at equilibrium and its awesome.", ">\n\nWhat can I say except that I’ve never seen an underboob in real life", ">\n\nI would argue that it's not. You can have regular cleavage whenever. Underboob cleavage only happens in the absence of a bra.", ">\n\nUnderboob IS risqué because sometimes there are things under the underboob that are not pleasant", ">\n\nI hardly ever wear bras when out and I like wearing some workout shirts that gown the side just a bit to give a little peek a boo of under boob lol" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nUnderboob implies the possibility of gravity making it full boob", ">\n\nYeah, underboob carries a much higher risk of loss of containment.", ">\n\nand then you get a warp core breach.", ">\n\nStop it, you're overloading my PPS conduits", ">\n\nSounds like someone needs to scrub their plasma manifolds", ">\n\nLet me know if Dax is available", ">\n\nKurzon?", ">\n\nNo, I blame him for Jadzia's death lol", ">\n\nJadzia dies!?", ">\n\nDepends on your definition of \"dies\"", ">\n\nit defines the actual shape of the breast. \nAlso, it’s less common to see. Calves used to be risqué at one time.", ">\n\nYeah baby, show us that ankle\n-Victorian Era bros probably", ">\n\nFun fact: table \"legs\" were deemed potentially too arousing, hence the development of the table skirt.\nVictorian's were fucking weird.", ">\n\nI demand boobs on furniture.", ">\n\nboobs, and a whole lot more", ">\n\nNow that just makes it seem like the victorians were actually justified.", ">\n\nImagine having that hidden under a table skirt in Victorian England.", ">\n\noooh the scandal!", ">\n\nGene Roddenberry once said that when designing costumes for the original Star Trek back in the late 1960s, network censors allowed some top cleavage but forbade - to use your term - “under-boob cleavage.”", ">\n\nInteresting! This is a fascinating confirmation of my hunch.", ">\n\nI have been diagnosed with dementia.", ">\n\nYou know damn well that this is a common bug on reddit.", ">\n\nPerhaps he forgot", ">\n\nTrue. Also, \nGitHub.com/MOABdali/MegaCheckers", ">\n\nThis will make a fine addition to my collection", ">\n\nThis was from before I became a \"professional coder\". I'm a bit better now, so I've begun working on the game from scratch now, utilizing less spaghetti code.", ">\n\ngotta love the underboob. the sight of it is guaranteed to improve your day.", ">\n\nUnless you're at Walmart, and they're hanging over a belt", ">\n\nUnderboobs often comes with a visible tummy. \nIt's a great combo.", ">\n\nThere a sub for that? Asking for me.", ">\n\nThere is definitely an underboob subreddit.", ">\n\nThere are at least two.", ">\n\nAnd my axe!", ">\n\nHow many times have you seen someone's tits fall out a normal cleavage? Coz I haven't? But have you ever seen a girl with an underboob shirt lift her arms? Tits come flying out", ">\n\nOnce. I've seen tits explode out of cleavage, (not on purpose) once. It was my great aunt. She was 76.", ">\n\nI'm so sorry/happy for you that you had to witness this", ">\n\nwhy are you happy bro damn he said she was his 76yo great aunt tf", ">\n\nHey, I said sorry/happy. No clue what he's into", ">\n\nFunny shit", ">\n\nUnder is closer to the nipple so I feel that makes it more risqué.", ">\n\nNot when you’re 40", ">\n\noh yea gimme some of that granny underboob.\nShe's showing underboob cleavage, but its a normal XL shirt", ">\n\nGranny? At 40?", ">\n\nImagine you have a kid at 20. And that kid has a kid at 20. How old are?\nNow have you ever met anyone that had a kid BEFORE 20?... I bet you have.", ">\n\nI know it’s technically possible to be a granny at 40. The vast majority of 40 year olds are not grandmothers however. I’m 40, husband is 43, our kids are 6.", ">\n\nLol well I'm about to hit 37. I know what you're saying. I'm just saying. Lots of grandparents across the globe are our age.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage basically shows that it’s not a bra doing the work and they really ARE that perky/voluminous. Plus lol it’s seen less so is just that more hot.", ">\n\nYeah I was going to say, they actually don’t always show the same thing. Cleavage can show many things, but often times it’s “what they look like while supported and pushed slightly together. Cleavage view vs natural can often be quite different. \nBut under boob cleavage, by very nature of no bra, a “is what you see is what you get” type deal.", ">\n\nIt does, under boob makes me far hornier than regular cleavage", ">\n\nSame, side boob and top boob are regular everyday occurrences. They have become somewhat played out. You can go to a church and you may see some top boob.\nUnder boob is a treat. An occasion. Something special", ">\n\nSide boob is my favorite boob", ">\n\nSide boob when classy. Under boob when casual. This is the scientific formula.", ">\n\nSide, under, top are all OK to be seen these days. My conclusion is ladies who want to show off should just put some pasties on and be done it.", ">\n\nYeah, agreed. Culturally, we’ve created a fetish out of boobs by forcing them to be concealed. It’s a feedback loop… they’re sexualized because they’re hidden, and they’re hidden because they’re sexualized. Gotta break the cycle.", ">\n\nLOL yeah tell that to thousands of years of evolution. They aren't sexualized because they're hidden. But I agree with your overall point.", ">\n\nHave you been to a nude beach, or just a beach outside of America? It becomes normalized very quickly and is nothing more fascinating than a leg. Just like legs can be well formed and attractive, so can boobs, but I don’t believe they are inherently more sexual than other parts of the body we don’t consider provocative.\nI’m surprised you bring up evolution when we can look to modern day tribes where the women are topless and it’s a non-event. Any time you prohibit something, that thing becomes more exciting. If you’re on a diet and not allowed to eat sugar, your first bite of cake in a year will be damn near orgasmic. Cake every day is boring. We love the forbidden and the taboo because we are novelty seekers.", ">\n\nI agree with you to the most part. \nBut i do think there is an evolutionairy element, due to them beeing the deciding factor if a woman will be able to nurture younglings. Sexualisation of them makes no sense in this context, BUT since it is a specific female body-trait, it will remind the male brain to fullfill his destiny", ">\n\nwhat abt lesbians then ? Are they “male brained” because they find tits attractive ?", ">\n\nThey’re usually a little more gradually sloping at the top, allowing for a bit more plausible deniability of exactly where they start. At the bottom it’s bam.", ">\n\nUnder boob and no bra… oh my gawd. What a time to be alive man.", ">\n\nIt’s not necessarily more risqué, but it certainly is more risky. One sudden movement and it’s over 😭", ">\n\nbut u r less like to accidentally flash someone if u just have upper boob cleavage rather than lower", ">\n\nThis is called Australian cleavage.\nBecause it is from down unda", ">\n\nWhat...you totally left out side-boob exposure? Now I'll have to go for a shower myself and give this topic some serious thought.", ">\n\nUnderboob usually means the entire torso is exposed while regular cleavage is just a few inches of chest and neck.", ">\n\nProbably just normalization. Top-of-boob is extremely common whereas bottom-of-boob is more difficulty and so more rare.", ">\n\nI think because it feels FAR less secure than “top cleavage”. Like one upward moving breeze and you’re fucked", ">\n\nHeh", ">\n\nTo show underboob, you’ve got to have your belly out too, no?", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear. Same amount if skin, but one is scandalous for people. Logic.", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear is more about the situation, not the amout of skin showing", ">\n\nAlso they wildly different type of fabric.\nIt's not much different than wearing a speedo becomes wildly less acceptable the further from water you get", ">\n\nMan, freshman year of highschool I took biology. My lab partner was this sophmore hippy chick. more often than not she wore crop tops with no bra. She would stretch by raising her arms way over her head like a dozen times per class and the underboob was glorious. good times.", ">\n\nUmmm missed signs / opportunity?", ">\n\nIt's been too many years to remember to be honest, but I think she had a boyfriend with a car and that was way too intimidating for 14 year old me. \n🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nYou typically only see the bottom of the boob when you can see the entire boob, so that's why I think it's so much more alluring. Way less common to see without also seeing a nipple.", ">\n\nUnderboob cleavage is like dogs watching you eat food waiting for you to drop some. Regular cleavage is dogs seeing food on the counter and knowing they're not allowed up there.", ">\n\nUnder-boob is 1 abrupt movement away from full titties. Normal cleavage needs a full handstand for that.", ">\n\nany woman can look good with top cleavage. only a special few can pull off bottom cleavage", ">\n\nA few? Oh, friend.\nThere are over 350,000 plumbers represented by the United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipefitting Industry of US and Canada!", ">\n\nThey are absolutely NOT the same. Underboob any day. Im also partial to side-tit", ">\n\nUnderboob is more provocative imo.. depending on the occasion it can br very sexy.", ">\n\nIdk man I can get a lot more boob details from under boob. You can kinda tell the size of the boobs from traditional cleavage. But under boob gives so much more info. Are they perky? Do they hang nicely? Are they centered or off to the sides? Are the nipples huge? All of these questions are answered.", ">\n\nI hate Anton levay, but he calls this The Law of the Forbidden.", ">\n\nIf we all wear knee and elbow pads. In a few 100 years or less even. Knees and elbows will become an aphrodisiac. \nSomething to take into account. We want what we can’t have. \nThis is my big argument on drug addiction and that most of addiction stems from the scarcity of drug supply. It’s not like Starbucks where you can get your CNS most times of the day and if Starbucks is close, gas stations got the back up for you CNS.", ">\n\nThere's a complete lack of appreciation for the under-boob in modern society.", ">\n\nUnderboob means no bra which drives our animalistic instincts, normal cleavage can be the result of a push up bra", ">\n\nI think it's hotter look & more realistic for every shape & size to look flattering. Love underboob. 🤙", ">\n\nI only read one mention of side boob.. with side boob, under boob, and cleavage I almost have a complete picture.", ">\n\nYou just reminded me of Channon's nipple window outfit in Transmetropolitan.", ">\n\nUnderboob is the only case of potential energy working in practice", ">\n\nWe don't see underboob on a daily basis, so it's the excitement of different even though it's not that different.", ">\n\nI love underboon. As others have pointed out, it's a less common sight, so it's more of a treat.", ">\n\nKinda like side boob", ">\n\nDon't even get me started on the occasional nipple sighting.", ">\n\nThe answer is gravity. More likely for them to fall out and be completely exposed.", ">\n\nOne has crumbs the other gets sweaty. Both are salty I guess", ">\n\nUnderboob is much more risqué, because then you’ll see my undernipple.", ">\n\nThis is like saying wine in a box is the same as wine in a bottle.", ">\n\nLet’s face it. Most guys are from the dark ages. They’re caveman. They like a woman to be showing her cleavage and under boob cleavage. But for me, a woman looks best when she is just absolutely naked.", ">\n\nI assume it's because of gravity.\nUnderboob has the rounded look that's in right now. The fake boob perky look.\nTop cleavage can with a good bra but gravity guarantees that nice round underboob.", ">\n\nI disagree completely. Tell the girl with under boob and the girl with normal cleavage to jump up and down and notice who slips out first.", ">\n\nThe answer would be me. I'd slip out first.", ">\n\nwhere does side-boob fall in the pantheon of breast visibility? asking for science.", ">\n\nOver < Side < Under.", ">\n\nUnderboob is just more honest, you know there’s no lies and deception there", ">\n\nOkay, I’m a woman and I do not know what what under-boob cleavage is 😂Someone please explain! My assumption is that it is cleavage that is some how developed from wearing like a tube top or something? Am I right? Lol", ">\n\nWhenever I see underboob cleavage all I can think about is boob sweat…😝maybe that’s because “underboob” is the armpit of the boobs…", ">\n\nYou're missing the side boob. Essentially the same thing essentially.", ">\n\nCall me crazy, but as I guy, I prefer underboob more so than the whole boob. And this is primarily when having sex...It just turns me on that much more.", ">\n\nDo you have an example? I’m a little unclear on the point are making.", ">\n\nTry telling Twitch that. Cleavage is fine but underboob gets banned.", ">\n\nYou are categorically seeing more skin if you are getting under boob.", ">\n\nI have this Bikini that shows a lot of under boob. I thought it was sexy. I asked my (then) BF if he likes it and wanted me to wear it. He said NO! He didn’t think it was a sexy as my regular small triangle shaped (on each boob) bikini 👙 top. My Girlfriends came to visit and we were going to the beach and I put on the under boob bikini top and they said “No! That’s too sexy!l”.", ">\n\nIt's essentially the same skin as anywhere else on the body, too.", ">\n\nCan’t believe people care so much about boobs.\nSure; they’re nice. But worth such discussion over? Way to commodify something simple and a bit nice", ">\n\nBecause biology.\nWant to talk about how societal norms and human biology clash in a weird way? Cleavage.", ">\n\nBecause gravity means they might slip off.\nAlso, at least for me as a man and the women I’ve been with, the preference is that they be cupped from the bottom when they intentionally expose themselves to me hahaha. \nI guess they feel supported that way idk feels good to me and them.", ">\n\nI'll take a knee", ">\n\nAlso usually means no bra is there", ">\n\nIt's also that you're getting teased, instead of just being shown everything.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage is illegal in my city (in California). It is in the ordinance prohibiting women being topless in public.", ">\n\nMy guess is that it’s the distance to nipple (dtn) that makes one feel more risky.", ">\n\nFor a bikini, yes. For shirts/ dresses, no.\nRegular cleavage expands an existing necessary hole in, under boob requires additional holes to exist just to show under boob.\nBut they are the same risqué as keyhole neck lines", ">\n\n....... because cleavage to at least some extent is frequently on display. I'm just a b-cup and the right bra will push up enough cleavage that I wouldn't wear the shirt to work but would have no issue wearing to publically like to dinner with family or friends.\nBut when do you ever see underboob publically outside perhaps a club? Swimming...? It's going to feel naughtier because it's so much rarer to see.", ">\n\nDepending on the time of month, they be at equilibrium and its awesome.", ">\n\nWhat can I say except that I’ve never seen an underboob in real life", ">\n\nI would argue that it's not. You can have regular cleavage whenever. Underboob cleavage only happens in the absence of a bra.", ">\n\nUnderboob IS risqué because sometimes there are things under the underboob that are not pleasant", ">\n\nI hardly ever wear bras when out and I like wearing some workout shirts that gown the side just a bit to give a little peek a boo of under boob lol", ">\n\nCan't quite picture it in my head, can you provide examples please?" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nUnderboob implies the possibility of gravity making it full boob", ">\n\nYeah, underboob carries a much higher risk of loss of containment.", ">\n\nand then you get a warp core breach.", ">\n\nStop it, you're overloading my PPS conduits", ">\n\nSounds like someone needs to scrub their plasma manifolds", ">\n\nLet me know if Dax is available", ">\n\nKurzon?", ">\n\nNo, I blame him for Jadzia's death lol", ">\n\nJadzia dies!?", ">\n\nDepends on your definition of \"dies\"", ">\n\nit defines the actual shape of the breast. \nAlso, it’s less common to see. Calves used to be risqué at one time.", ">\n\nYeah baby, show us that ankle\n-Victorian Era bros probably", ">\n\nFun fact: table \"legs\" were deemed potentially too arousing, hence the development of the table skirt.\nVictorian's were fucking weird.", ">\n\nI demand boobs on furniture.", ">\n\nboobs, and a whole lot more", ">\n\nNow that just makes it seem like the victorians were actually justified.", ">\n\nImagine having that hidden under a table skirt in Victorian England.", ">\n\noooh the scandal!", ">\n\nGene Roddenberry once said that when designing costumes for the original Star Trek back in the late 1960s, network censors allowed some top cleavage but forbade - to use your term - “under-boob cleavage.”", ">\n\nInteresting! This is a fascinating confirmation of my hunch.", ">\n\nI have been diagnosed with dementia.", ">\n\nYou know damn well that this is a common bug on reddit.", ">\n\nPerhaps he forgot", ">\n\nTrue. Also, \nGitHub.com/MOABdali/MegaCheckers", ">\n\nThis will make a fine addition to my collection", ">\n\nThis was from before I became a \"professional coder\". I'm a bit better now, so I've begun working on the game from scratch now, utilizing less spaghetti code.", ">\n\ngotta love the underboob. the sight of it is guaranteed to improve your day.", ">\n\nUnless you're at Walmart, and they're hanging over a belt", ">\n\nUnderboobs often comes with a visible tummy. \nIt's a great combo.", ">\n\nThere a sub for that? Asking for me.", ">\n\nThere is definitely an underboob subreddit.", ">\n\nThere are at least two.", ">\n\nAnd my axe!", ">\n\nHow many times have you seen someone's tits fall out a normal cleavage? Coz I haven't? But have you ever seen a girl with an underboob shirt lift her arms? Tits come flying out", ">\n\nOnce. I've seen tits explode out of cleavage, (not on purpose) once. It was my great aunt. She was 76.", ">\n\nI'm so sorry/happy for you that you had to witness this", ">\n\nwhy are you happy bro damn he said she was his 76yo great aunt tf", ">\n\nHey, I said sorry/happy. No clue what he's into", ">\n\nFunny shit", ">\n\nUnder is closer to the nipple so I feel that makes it more risqué.", ">\n\nNot when you’re 40", ">\n\noh yea gimme some of that granny underboob.\nShe's showing underboob cleavage, but its a normal XL shirt", ">\n\nGranny? At 40?", ">\n\nImagine you have a kid at 20. And that kid has a kid at 20. How old are?\nNow have you ever met anyone that had a kid BEFORE 20?... I bet you have.", ">\n\nI know it’s technically possible to be a granny at 40. The vast majority of 40 year olds are not grandmothers however. I’m 40, husband is 43, our kids are 6.", ">\n\nLol well I'm about to hit 37. I know what you're saying. I'm just saying. Lots of grandparents across the globe are our age.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage basically shows that it’s not a bra doing the work and they really ARE that perky/voluminous. Plus lol it’s seen less so is just that more hot.", ">\n\nYeah I was going to say, they actually don’t always show the same thing. Cleavage can show many things, but often times it’s “what they look like while supported and pushed slightly together. Cleavage view vs natural can often be quite different. \nBut under boob cleavage, by very nature of no bra, a “is what you see is what you get” type deal.", ">\n\nIt does, under boob makes me far hornier than regular cleavage", ">\n\nSame, side boob and top boob are regular everyday occurrences. They have become somewhat played out. You can go to a church and you may see some top boob.\nUnder boob is a treat. An occasion. Something special", ">\n\nSide boob is my favorite boob", ">\n\nSide boob when classy. Under boob when casual. This is the scientific formula.", ">\n\nSide, under, top are all OK to be seen these days. My conclusion is ladies who want to show off should just put some pasties on and be done it.", ">\n\nYeah, agreed. Culturally, we’ve created a fetish out of boobs by forcing them to be concealed. It’s a feedback loop… they’re sexualized because they’re hidden, and they’re hidden because they’re sexualized. Gotta break the cycle.", ">\n\nLOL yeah tell that to thousands of years of evolution. They aren't sexualized because they're hidden. But I agree with your overall point.", ">\n\nHave you been to a nude beach, or just a beach outside of America? It becomes normalized very quickly and is nothing more fascinating than a leg. Just like legs can be well formed and attractive, so can boobs, but I don’t believe they are inherently more sexual than other parts of the body we don’t consider provocative.\nI’m surprised you bring up evolution when we can look to modern day tribes where the women are topless and it’s a non-event. Any time you prohibit something, that thing becomes more exciting. If you’re on a diet and not allowed to eat sugar, your first bite of cake in a year will be damn near orgasmic. Cake every day is boring. We love the forbidden and the taboo because we are novelty seekers.", ">\n\nI agree with you to the most part. \nBut i do think there is an evolutionairy element, due to them beeing the deciding factor if a woman will be able to nurture younglings. Sexualisation of them makes no sense in this context, BUT since it is a specific female body-trait, it will remind the male brain to fullfill his destiny", ">\n\nwhat abt lesbians then ? Are they “male brained” because they find tits attractive ?", ">\n\nThey’re usually a little more gradually sloping at the top, allowing for a bit more plausible deniability of exactly where they start. At the bottom it’s bam.", ">\n\nUnder boob and no bra… oh my gawd. What a time to be alive man.", ">\n\nIt’s not necessarily more risqué, but it certainly is more risky. One sudden movement and it’s over 😭", ">\n\nbut u r less like to accidentally flash someone if u just have upper boob cleavage rather than lower", ">\n\nThis is called Australian cleavage.\nBecause it is from down unda", ">\n\nWhat...you totally left out side-boob exposure? Now I'll have to go for a shower myself and give this topic some serious thought.", ">\n\nUnderboob usually means the entire torso is exposed while regular cleavage is just a few inches of chest and neck.", ">\n\nProbably just normalization. Top-of-boob is extremely common whereas bottom-of-boob is more difficulty and so more rare.", ">\n\nI think because it feels FAR less secure than “top cleavage”. Like one upward moving breeze and you’re fucked", ">\n\nHeh", ">\n\nTo show underboob, you’ve got to have your belly out too, no?", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear. Same amount if skin, but one is scandalous for people. Logic.", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear is more about the situation, not the amout of skin showing", ">\n\nAlso they wildly different type of fabric.\nIt's not much different than wearing a speedo becomes wildly less acceptable the further from water you get", ">\n\nMan, freshman year of highschool I took biology. My lab partner was this sophmore hippy chick. more often than not she wore crop tops with no bra. She would stretch by raising her arms way over her head like a dozen times per class and the underboob was glorious. good times.", ">\n\nUmmm missed signs / opportunity?", ">\n\nIt's been too many years to remember to be honest, but I think she had a boyfriend with a car and that was way too intimidating for 14 year old me. \n🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nYou typically only see the bottom of the boob when you can see the entire boob, so that's why I think it's so much more alluring. Way less common to see without also seeing a nipple.", ">\n\nUnderboob cleavage is like dogs watching you eat food waiting for you to drop some. Regular cleavage is dogs seeing food on the counter and knowing they're not allowed up there.", ">\n\nUnder-boob is 1 abrupt movement away from full titties. Normal cleavage needs a full handstand for that.", ">\n\nany woman can look good with top cleavage. only a special few can pull off bottom cleavage", ">\n\nA few? Oh, friend.\nThere are over 350,000 plumbers represented by the United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipefitting Industry of US and Canada!", ">\n\nThey are absolutely NOT the same. Underboob any day. Im also partial to side-tit", ">\n\nUnderboob is more provocative imo.. depending on the occasion it can br very sexy.", ">\n\nIdk man I can get a lot more boob details from under boob. You can kinda tell the size of the boobs from traditional cleavage. But under boob gives so much more info. Are they perky? Do they hang nicely? Are they centered or off to the sides? Are the nipples huge? All of these questions are answered.", ">\n\nI hate Anton levay, but he calls this The Law of the Forbidden.", ">\n\nIf we all wear knee and elbow pads. In a few 100 years or less even. Knees and elbows will become an aphrodisiac. \nSomething to take into account. We want what we can’t have. \nThis is my big argument on drug addiction and that most of addiction stems from the scarcity of drug supply. It’s not like Starbucks where you can get your CNS most times of the day and if Starbucks is close, gas stations got the back up for you CNS.", ">\n\nThere's a complete lack of appreciation for the under-boob in modern society.", ">\n\nUnderboob means no bra which drives our animalistic instincts, normal cleavage can be the result of a push up bra", ">\n\nI think it's hotter look & more realistic for every shape & size to look flattering. Love underboob. 🤙", ">\n\nI only read one mention of side boob.. with side boob, under boob, and cleavage I almost have a complete picture.", ">\n\nYou just reminded me of Channon's nipple window outfit in Transmetropolitan.", ">\n\nUnderboob is the only case of potential energy working in practice", ">\n\nWe don't see underboob on a daily basis, so it's the excitement of different even though it's not that different.", ">\n\nI love underboon. As others have pointed out, it's a less common sight, so it's more of a treat.", ">\n\nKinda like side boob", ">\n\nDon't even get me started on the occasional nipple sighting.", ">\n\nThe answer is gravity. More likely for them to fall out and be completely exposed.", ">\n\nOne has crumbs the other gets sweaty. Both are salty I guess", ">\n\nUnderboob is much more risqué, because then you’ll see my undernipple.", ">\n\nThis is like saying wine in a box is the same as wine in a bottle.", ">\n\nLet’s face it. Most guys are from the dark ages. They’re caveman. They like a woman to be showing her cleavage and under boob cleavage. But for me, a woman looks best when she is just absolutely naked.", ">\n\nI assume it's because of gravity.\nUnderboob has the rounded look that's in right now. The fake boob perky look.\nTop cleavage can with a good bra but gravity guarantees that nice round underboob.", ">\n\nI disagree completely. Tell the girl with under boob and the girl with normal cleavage to jump up and down and notice who slips out first.", ">\n\nThe answer would be me. I'd slip out first.", ">\n\nwhere does side-boob fall in the pantheon of breast visibility? asking for science.", ">\n\nOver < Side < Under.", ">\n\nUnderboob is just more honest, you know there’s no lies and deception there", ">\n\nOkay, I’m a woman and I do not know what what under-boob cleavage is 😂Someone please explain! My assumption is that it is cleavage that is some how developed from wearing like a tube top or something? Am I right? Lol", ">\n\nWhenever I see underboob cleavage all I can think about is boob sweat…😝maybe that’s because “underboob” is the armpit of the boobs…", ">\n\nYou're missing the side boob. Essentially the same thing essentially.", ">\n\nCall me crazy, but as I guy, I prefer underboob more so than the whole boob. And this is primarily when having sex...It just turns me on that much more.", ">\n\nDo you have an example? I’m a little unclear on the point are making.", ">\n\nTry telling Twitch that. Cleavage is fine but underboob gets banned.", ">\n\nYou are categorically seeing more skin if you are getting under boob.", ">\n\nI have this Bikini that shows a lot of under boob. I thought it was sexy. I asked my (then) BF if he likes it and wanted me to wear it. He said NO! He didn’t think it was a sexy as my regular small triangle shaped (on each boob) bikini 👙 top. My Girlfriends came to visit and we were going to the beach and I put on the under boob bikini top and they said “No! That’s too sexy!l”.", ">\n\nIt's essentially the same skin as anywhere else on the body, too.", ">\n\nCan’t believe people care so much about boobs.\nSure; they’re nice. But worth such discussion over? Way to commodify something simple and a bit nice", ">\n\nBecause biology.\nWant to talk about how societal norms and human biology clash in a weird way? Cleavage.", ">\n\nBecause gravity means they might slip off.\nAlso, at least for me as a man and the women I’ve been with, the preference is that they be cupped from the bottom when they intentionally expose themselves to me hahaha. \nI guess they feel supported that way idk feels good to me and them.", ">\n\nI'll take a knee", ">\n\nAlso usually means no bra is there", ">\n\nIt's also that you're getting teased, instead of just being shown everything.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage is illegal in my city (in California). It is in the ordinance prohibiting women being topless in public.", ">\n\nMy guess is that it’s the distance to nipple (dtn) that makes one feel more risky.", ">\n\nFor a bikini, yes. For shirts/ dresses, no.\nRegular cleavage expands an existing necessary hole in, under boob requires additional holes to exist just to show under boob.\nBut they are the same risqué as keyhole neck lines", ">\n\n....... because cleavage to at least some extent is frequently on display. I'm just a b-cup and the right bra will push up enough cleavage that I wouldn't wear the shirt to work but would have no issue wearing to publically like to dinner with family or friends.\nBut when do you ever see underboob publically outside perhaps a club? Swimming...? It's going to feel naughtier because it's so much rarer to see.", ">\n\nDepending on the time of month, they be at equilibrium and its awesome.", ">\n\nWhat can I say except that I’ve never seen an underboob in real life", ">\n\nI would argue that it's not. You can have regular cleavage whenever. Underboob cleavage only happens in the absence of a bra.", ">\n\nUnderboob IS risqué because sometimes there are things under the underboob that are not pleasant", ">\n\nI hardly ever wear bras when out and I like wearing some workout shirts that gown the side just a bit to give a little peek a boo of under boob lol", ">\n\nCan't quite picture it in my head, can you provide examples please?", ">\n\nIt’s also harder to pull off, as it kinda requires a certain type of boob shape." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nUnderboob implies the possibility of gravity making it full boob", ">\n\nYeah, underboob carries a much higher risk of loss of containment.", ">\n\nand then you get a warp core breach.", ">\n\nStop it, you're overloading my PPS conduits", ">\n\nSounds like someone needs to scrub their plasma manifolds", ">\n\nLet me know if Dax is available", ">\n\nKurzon?", ">\n\nNo, I blame him for Jadzia's death lol", ">\n\nJadzia dies!?", ">\n\nDepends on your definition of \"dies\"", ">\n\nit defines the actual shape of the breast. \nAlso, it’s less common to see. Calves used to be risqué at one time.", ">\n\nYeah baby, show us that ankle\n-Victorian Era bros probably", ">\n\nFun fact: table \"legs\" were deemed potentially too arousing, hence the development of the table skirt.\nVictorian's were fucking weird.", ">\n\nI demand boobs on furniture.", ">\n\nboobs, and a whole lot more", ">\n\nNow that just makes it seem like the victorians were actually justified.", ">\n\nImagine having that hidden under a table skirt in Victorian England.", ">\n\noooh the scandal!", ">\n\nGene Roddenberry once said that when designing costumes for the original Star Trek back in the late 1960s, network censors allowed some top cleavage but forbade - to use your term - “under-boob cleavage.”", ">\n\nInteresting! This is a fascinating confirmation of my hunch.", ">\n\nI have been diagnosed with dementia.", ">\n\nYou know damn well that this is a common bug on reddit.", ">\n\nPerhaps he forgot", ">\n\nTrue. Also, \nGitHub.com/MOABdali/MegaCheckers", ">\n\nThis will make a fine addition to my collection", ">\n\nThis was from before I became a \"professional coder\". I'm a bit better now, so I've begun working on the game from scratch now, utilizing less spaghetti code.", ">\n\ngotta love the underboob. the sight of it is guaranteed to improve your day.", ">\n\nUnless you're at Walmart, and they're hanging over a belt", ">\n\nUnderboobs often comes with a visible tummy. \nIt's a great combo.", ">\n\nThere a sub for that? Asking for me.", ">\n\nThere is definitely an underboob subreddit.", ">\n\nThere are at least two.", ">\n\nAnd my axe!", ">\n\nHow many times have you seen someone's tits fall out a normal cleavage? Coz I haven't? But have you ever seen a girl with an underboob shirt lift her arms? Tits come flying out", ">\n\nOnce. I've seen tits explode out of cleavage, (not on purpose) once. It was my great aunt. She was 76.", ">\n\nI'm so sorry/happy for you that you had to witness this", ">\n\nwhy are you happy bro damn he said she was his 76yo great aunt tf", ">\n\nHey, I said sorry/happy. No clue what he's into", ">\n\nFunny shit", ">\n\nUnder is closer to the nipple so I feel that makes it more risqué.", ">\n\nNot when you’re 40", ">\n\noh yea gimme some of that granny underboob.\nShe's showing underboob cleavage, but its a normal XL shirt", ">\n\nGranny? At 40?", ">\n\nImagine you have a kid at 20. And that kid has a kid at 20. How old are?\nNow have you ever met anyone that had a kid BEFORE 20?... I bet you have.", ">\n\nI know it’s technically possible to be a granny at 40. The vast majority of 40 year olds are not grandmothers however. I’m 40, husband is 43, our kids are 6.", ">\n\nLol well I'm about to hit 37. I know what you're saying. I'm just saying. Lots of grandparents across the globe are our age.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage basically shows that it’s not a bra doing the work and they really ARE that perky/voluminous. Plus lol it’s seen less so is just that more hot.", ">\n\nYeah I was going to say, they actually don’t always show the same thing. Cleavage can show many things, but often times it’s “what they look like while supported and pushed slightly together. Cleavage view vs natural can often be quite different. \nBut under boob cleavage, by very nature of no bra, a “is what you see is what you get” type deal.", ">\n\nIt does, under boob makes me far hornier than regular cleavage", ">\n\nSame, side boob and top boob are regular everyday occurrences. They have become somewhat played out. You can go to a church and you may see some top boob.\nUnder boob is a treat. An occasion. Something special", ">\n\nSide boob is my favorite boob", ">\n\nSide boob when classy. Under boob when casual. This is the scientific formula.", ">\n\nSide, under, top are all OK to be seen these days. My conclusion is ladies who want to show off should just put some pasties on and be done it.", ">\n\nYeah, agreed. Culturally, we’ve created a fetish out of boobs by forcing them to be concealed. It’s a feedback loop… they’re sexualized because they’re hidden, and they’re hidden because they’re sexualized. Gotta break the cycle.", ">\n\nLOL yeah tell that to thousands of years of evolution. They aren't sexualized because they're hidden. But I agree with your overall point.", ">\n\nHave you been to a nude beach, or just a beach outside of America? It becomes normalized very quickly and is nothing more fascinating than a leg. Just like legs can be well formed and attractive, so can boobs, but I don’t believe they are inherently more sexual than other parts of the body we don’t consider provocative.\nI’m surprised you bring up evolution when we can look to modern day tribes where the women are topless and it’s a non-event. Any time you prohibit something, that thing becomes more exciting. If you’re on a diet and not allowed to eat sugar, your first bite of cake in a year will be damn near orgasmic. Cake every day is boring. We love the forbidden and the taboo because we are novelty seekers.", ">\n\nI agree with you to the most part. \nBut i do think there is an evolutionairy element, due to them beeing the deciding factor if a woman will be able to nurture younglings. Sexualisation of them makes no sense in this context, BUT since it is a specific female body-trait, it will remind the male brain to fullfill his destiny", ">\n\nwhat abt lesbians then ? Are they “male brained” because they find tits attractive ?", ">\n\nThey’re usually a little more gradually sloping at the top, allowing for a bit more plausible deniability of exactly where they start. At the bottom it’s bam.", ">\n\nUnder boob and no bra… oh my gawd. What a time to be alive man.", ">\n\nIt’s not necessarily more risqué, but it certainly is more risky. One sudden movement and it’s over 😭", ">\n\nbut u r less like to accidentally flash someone if u just have upper boob cleavage rather than lower", ">\n\nThis is called Australian cleavage.\nBecause it is from down unda", ">\n\nWhat...you totally left out side-boob exposure? Now I'll have to go for a shower myself and give this topic some serious thought.", ">\n\nUnderboob usually means the entire torso is exposed while regular cleavage is just a few inches of chest and neck.", ">\n\nProbably just normalization. Top-of-boob is extremely common whereas bottom-of-boob is more difficulty and so more rare.", ">\n\nI think because it feels FAR less secure than “top cleavage”. Like one upward moving breeze and you’re fucked", ">\n\nHeh", ">\n\nTo show underboob, you’ve got to have your belly out too, no?", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear. Same amount if skin, but one is scandalous for people. Logic.", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear is more about the situation, not the amout of skin showing", ">\n\nAlso they wildly different type of fabric.\nIt's not much different than wearing a speedo becomes wildly less acceptable the further from water you get", ">\n\nMan, freshman year of highschool I took biology. My lab partner was this sophmore hippy chick. more often than not she wore crop tops with no bra. She would stretch by raising her arms way over her head like a dozen times per class and the underboob was glorious. good times.", ">\n\nUmmm missed signs / opportunity?", ">\n\nIt's been too many years to remember to be honest, but I think she had a boyfriend with a car and that was way too intimidating for 14 year old me. \n🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nYou typically only see the bottom of the boob when you can see the entire boob, so that's why I think it's so much more alluring. Way less common to see without also seeing a nipple.", ">\n\nUnderboob cleavage is like dogs watching you eat food waiting for you to drop some. Regular cleavage is dogs seeing food on the counter and knowing they're not allowed up there.", ">\n\nUnder-boob is 1 abrupt movement away from full titties. Normal cleavage needs a full handstand for that.", ">\n\nany woman can look good with top cleavage. only a special few can pull off bottom cleavage", ">\n\nA few? Oh, friend.\nThere are over 350,000 plumbers represented by the United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipefitting Industry of US and Canada!", ">\n\nThey are absolutely NOT the same. Underboob any day. Im also partial to side-tit", ">\n\nUnderboob is more provocative imo.. depending on the occasion it can br very sexy.", ">\n\nIdk man I can get a lot more boob details from under boob. You can kinda tell the size of the boobs from traditional cleavage. But under boob gives so much more info. Are they perky? Do they hang nicely? Are they centered or off to the sides? Are the nipples huge? All of these questions are answered.", ">\n\nI hate Anton levay, but he calls this The Law of the Forbidden.", ">\n\nIf we all wear knee and elbow pads. In a few 100 years or less even. Knees and elbows will become an aphrodisiac. \nSomething to take into account. We want what we can’t have. \nThis is my big argument on drug addiction and that most of addiction stems from the scarcity of drug supply. It’s not like Starbucks where you can get your CNS most times of the day and if Starbucks is close, gas stations got the back up for you CNS.", ">\n\nThere's a complete lack of appreciation for the under-boob in modern society.", ">\n\nUnderboob means no bra which drives our animalistic instincts, normal cleavage can be the result of a push up bra", ">\n\nI think it's hotter look & more realistic for every shape & size to look flattering. Love underboob. 🤙", ">\n\nI only read one mention of side boob.. with side boob, under boob, and cleavage I almost have a complete picture.", ">\n\nYou just reminded me of Channon's nipple window outfit in Transmetropolitan.", ">\n\nUnderboob is the only case of potential energy working in practice", ">\n\nWe don't see underboob on a daily basis, so it's the excitement of different even though it's not that different.", ">\n\nI love underboon. As others have pointed out, it's a less common sight, so it's more of a treat.", ">\n\nKinda like side boob", ">\n\nDon't even get me started on the occasional nipple sighting.", ">\n\nThe answer is gravity. More likely for them to fall out and be completely exposed.", ">\n\nOne has crumbs the other gets sweaty. Both are salty I guess", ">\n\nUnderboob is much more risqué, because then you’ll see my undernipple.", ">\n\nThis is like saying wine in a box is the same as wine in a bottle.", ">\n\nLet’s face it. Most guys are from the dark ages. They’re caveman. They like a woman to be showing her cleavage and under boob cleavage. But for me, a woman looks best when she is just absolutely naked.", ">\n\nI assume it's because of gravity.\nUnderboob has the rounded look that's in right now. The fake boob perky look.\nTop cleavage can with a good bra but gravity guarantees that nice round underboob.", ">\n\nI disagree completely. Tell the girl with under boob and the girl with normal cleavage to jump up and down and notice who slips out first.", ">\n\nThe answer would be me. I'd slip out first.", ">\n\nwhere does side-boob fall in the pantheon of breast visibility? asking for science.", ">\n\nOver < Side < Under.", ">\n\nUnderboob is just more honest, you know there’s no lies and deception there", ">\n\nOkay, I’m a woman and I do not know what what under-boob cleavage is 😂Someone please explain! My assumption is that it is cleavage that is some how developed from wearing like a tube top or something? Am I right? Lol", ">\n\nWhenever I see underboob cleavage all I can think about is boob sweat…😝maybe that’s because “underboob” is the armpit of the boobs…", ">\n\nYou're missing the side boob. Essentially the same thing essentially.", ">\n\nCall me crazy, but as I guy, I prefer underboob more so than the whole boob. And this is primarily when having sex...It just turns me on that much more.", ">\n\nDo you have an example? I’m a little unclear on the point are making.", ">\n\nTry telling Twitch that. Cleavage is fine but underboob gets banned.", ">\n\nYou are categorically seeing more skin if you are getting under boob.", ">\n\nI have this Bikini that shows a lot of under boob. I thought it was sexy. I asked my (then) BF if he likes it and wanted me to wear it. He said NO! He didn’t think it was a sexy as my regular small triangle shaped (on each boob) bikini 👙 top. My Girlfriends came to visit and we were going to the beach and I put on the under boob bikini top and they said “No! That’s too sexy!l”.", ">\n\nIt's essentially the same skin as anywhere else on the body, too.", ">\n\nCan’t believe people care so much about boobs.\nSure; they’re nice. But worth such discussion over? Way to commodify something simple and a bit nice", ">\n\nBecause biology.\nWant to talk about how societal norms and human biology clash in a weird way? Cleavage.", ">\n\nBecause gravity means they might slip off.\nAlso, at least for me as a man and the women I’ve been with, the preference is that they be cupped from the bottom when they intentionally expose themselves to me hahaha. \nI guess they feel supported that way idk feels good to me and them.", ">\n\nI'll take a knee", ">\n\nAlso usually means no bra is there", ">\n\nIt's also that you're getting teased, instead of just being shown everything.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage is illegal in my city (in California). It is in the ordinance prohibiting women being topless in public.", ">\n\nMy guess is that it’s the distance to nipple (dtn) that makes one feel more risky.", ">\n\nFor a bikini, yes. For shirts/ dresses, no.\nRegular cleavage expands an existing necessary hole in, under boob requires additional holes to exist just to show under boob.\nBut they are the same risqué as keyhole neck lines", ">\n\n....... because cleavage to at least some extent is frequently on display. I'm just a b-cup and the right bra will push up enough cleavage that I wouldn't wear the shirt to work but would have no issue wearing to publically like to dinner with family or friends.\nBut when do you ever see underboob publically outside perhaps a club? Swimming...? It's going to feel naughtier because it's so much rarer to see.", ">\n\nDepending on the time of month, they be at equilibrium and its awesome.", ">\n\nWhat can I say except that I’ve never seen an underboob in real life", ">\n\nI would argue that it's not. You can have regular cleavage whenever. Underboob cleavage only happens in the absence of a bra.", ">\n\nUnderboob IS risqué because sometimes there are things under the underboob that are not pleasant", ">\n\nI hardly ever wear bras when out and I like wearing some workout shirts that gown the side just a bit to give a little peek a boo of under boob lol", ">\n\nCan't quite picture it in my head, can you provide examples please?", ">\n\nIt’s also harder to pull off, as it kinda requires a certain type of boob shape.", ">\n\nMy nipples are now in my underboob area so they are not all the same thing :)" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nUnderboob implies the possibility of gravity making it full boob", ">\n\nYeah, underboob carries a much higher risk of loss of containment.", ">\n\nand then you get a warp core breach.", ">\n\nStop it, you're overloading my PPS conduits", ">\n\nSounds like someone needs to scrub their plasma manifolds", ">\n\nLet me know if Dax is available", ">\n\nKurzon?", ">\n\nNo, I blame him for Jadzia's death lol", ">\n\nJadzia dies!?", ">\n\nDepends on your definition of \"dies\"", ">\n\nit defines the actual shape of the breast. \nAlso, it’s less common to see. Calves used to be risqué at one time.", ">\n\nYeah baby, show us that ankle\n-Victorian Era bros probably", ">\n\nFun fact: table \"legs\" were deemed potentially too arousing, hence the development of the table skirt.\nVictorian's were fucking weird.", ">\n\nI demand boobs on furniture.", ">\n\nboobs, and a whole lot more", ">\n\nNow that just makes it seem like the victorians were actually justified.", ">\n\nImagine having that hidden under a table skirt in Victorian England.", ">\n\noooh the scandal!", ">\n\nGene Roddenberry once said that when designing costumes for the original Star Trek back in the late 1960s, network censors allowed some top cleavage but forbade - to use your term - “under-boob cleavage.”", ">\n\nInteresting! This is a fascinating confirmation of my hunch.", ">\n\nI have been diagnosed with dementia.", ">\n\nYou know damn well that this is a common bug on reddit.", ">\n\nPerhaps he forgot", ">\n\nTrue. Also, \nGitHub.com/MOABdali/MegaCheckers", ">\n\nThis will make a fine addition to my collection", ">\n\nThis was from before I became a \"professional coder\". I'm a bit better now, so I've begun working on the game from scratch now, utilizing less spaghetti code.", ">\n\ngotta love the underboob. the sight of it is guaranteed to improve your day.", ">\n\nUnless you're at Walmart, and they're hanging over a belt", ">\n\nUnderboobs often comes with a visible tummy. \nIt's a great combo.", ">\n\nThere a sub for that? Asking for me.", ">\n\nThere is definitely an underboob subreddit.", ">\n\nThere are at least two.", ">\n\nAnd my axe!", ">\n\nHow many times have you seen someone's tits fall out a normal cleavage? Coz I haven't? But have you ever seen a girl with an underboob shirt lift her arms? Tits come flying out", ">\n\nOnce. I've seen tits explode out of cleavage, (not on purpose) once. It was my great aunt. She was 76.", ">\n\nI'm so sorry/happy for you that you had to witness this", ">\n\nwhy are you happy bro damn he said she was his 76yo great aunt tf", ">\n\nHey, I said sorry/happy. No clue what he's into", ">\n\nFunny shit", ">\n\nUnder is closer to the nipple so I feel that makes it more risqué.", ">\n\nNot when you’re 40", ">\n\noh yea gimme some of that granny underboob.\nShe's showing underboob cleavage, but its a normal XL shirt", ">\n\nGranny? At 40?", ">\n\nImagine you have a kid at 20. And that kid has a kid at 20. How old are?\nNow have you ever met anyone that had a kid BEFORE 20?... I bet you have.", ">\n\nI know it’s technically possible to be a granny at 40. The vast majority of 40 year olds are not grandmothers however. I’m 40, husband is 43, our kids are 6.", ">\n\nLol well I'm about to hit 37. I know what you're saying. I'm just saying. Lots of grandparents across the globe are our age.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage basically shows that it’s not a bra doing the work and they really ARE that perky/voluminous. Plus lol it’s seen less so is just that more hot.", ">\n\nYeah I was going to say, they actually don’t always show the same thing. Cleavage can show many things, but often times it’s “what they look like while supported and pushed slightly together. Cleavage view vs natural can often be quite different. \nBut under boob cleavage, by very nature of no bra, a “is what you see is what you get” type deal.", ">\n\nIt does, under boob makes me far hornier than regular cleavage", ">\n\nSame, side boob and top boob are regular everyday occurrences. They have become somewhat played out. You can go to a church and you may see some top boob.\nUnder boob is a treat. An occasion. Something special", ">\n\nSide boob is my favorite boob", ">\n\nSide boob when classy. Under boob when casual. This is the scientific formula.", ">\n\nSide, under, top are all OK to be seen these days. My conclusion is ladies who want to show off should just put some pasties on and be done it.", ">\n\nYeah, agreed. Culturally, we’ve created a fetish out of boobs by forcing them to be concealed. It’s a feedback loop… they’re sexualized because they’re hidden, and they’re hidden because they’re sexualized. Gotta break the cycle.", ">\n\nLOL yeah tell that to thousands of years of evolution. They aren't sexualized because they're hidden. But I agree with your overall point.", ">\n\nHave you been to a nude beach, or just a beach outside of America? It becomes normalized very quickly and is nothing more fascinating than a leg. Just like legs can be well formed and attractive, so can boobs, but I don’t believe they are inherently more sexual than other parts of the body we don’t consider provocative.\nI’m surprised you bring up evolution when we can look to modern day tribes where the women are topless and it’s a non-event. Any time you prohibit something, that thing becomes more exciting. If you’re on a diet and not allowed to eat sugar, your first bite of cake in a year will be damn near orgasmic. Cake every day is boring. We love the forbidden and the taboo because we are novelty seekers.", ">\n\nI agree with you to the most part. \nBut i do think there is an evolutionairy element, due to them beeing the deciding factor if a woman will be able to nurture younglings. Sexualisation of them makes no sense in this context, BUT since it is a specific female body-trait, it will remind the male brain to fullfill his destiny", ">\n\nwhat abt lesbians then ? Are they “male brained” because they find tits attractive ?", ">\n\nThey’re usually a little more gradually sloping at the top, allowing for a bit more plausible deniability of exactly where they start. At the bottom it’s bam.", ">\n\nUnder boob and no bra… oh my gawd. What a time to be alive man.", ">\n\nIt’s not necessarily more risqué, but it certainly is more risky. One sudden movement and it’s over 😭", ">\n\nbut u r less like to accidentally flash someone if u just have upper boob cleavage rather than lower", ">\n\nThis is called Australian cleavage.\nBecause it is from down unda", ">\n\nWhat...you totally left out side-boob exposure? Now I'll have to go for a shower myself and give this topic some serious thought.", ">\n\nUnderboob usually means the entire torso is exposed while regular cleavage is just a few inches of chest and neck.", ">\n\nProbably just normalization. Top-of-boob is extremely common whereas bottom-of-boob is more difficulty and so more rare.", ">\n\nI think because it feels FAR less secure than “top cleavage”. Like one upward moving breeze and you’re fucked", ">\n\nHeh", ">\n\nTo show underboob, you’ve got to have your belly out too, no?", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear. Same amount if skin, but one is scandalous for people. Logic.", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear is more about the situation, not the amout of skin showing", ">\n\nAlso they wildly different type of fabric.\nIt's not much different than wearing a speedo becomes wildly less acceptable the further from water you get", ">\n\nMan, freshman year of highschool I took biology. My lab partner was this sophmore hippy chick. more often than not she wore crop tops with no bra. She would stretch by raising her arms way over her head like a dozen times per class and the underboob was glorious. good times.", ">\n\nUmmm missed signs / opportunity?", ">\n\nIt's been too many years to remember to be honest, but I think she had a boyfriend with a car and that was way too intimidating for 14 year old me. \n🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nYou typically only see the bottom of the boob when you can see the entire boob, so that's why I think it's so much more alluring. Way less common to see without also seeing a nipple.", ">\n\nUnderboob cleavage is like dogs watching you eat food waiting for you to drop some. Regular cleavage is dogs seeing food on the counter and knowing they're not allowed up there.", ">\n\nUnder-boob is 1 abrupt movement away from full titties. Normal cleavage needs a full handstand for that.", ">\n\nany woman can look good with top cleavage. only a special few can pull off bottom cleavage", ">\n\nA few? Oh, friend.\nThere are over 350,000 plumbers represented by the United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipefitting Industry of US and Canada!", ">\n\nThey are absolutely NOT the same. Underboob any day. Im also partial to side-tit", ">\n\nUnderboob is more provocative imo.. depending on the occasion it can br very sexy.", ">\n\nIdk man I can get a lot more boob details from under boob. You can kinda tell the size of the boobs from traditional cleavage. But under boob gives so much more info. Are they perky? Do they hang nicely? Are they centered or off to the sides? Are the nipples huge? All of these questions are answered.", ">\n\nI hate Anton levay, but he calls this The Law of the Forbidden.", ">\n\nIf we all wear knee and elbow pads. In a few 100 years or less even. Knees and elbows will become an aphrodisiac. \nSomething to take into account. We want what we can’t have. \nThis is my big argument on drug addiction and that most of addiction stems from the scarcity of drug supply. It’s not like Starbucks where you can get your CNS most times of the day and if Starbucks is close, gas stations got the back up for you CNS.", ">\n\nThere's a complete lack of appreciation for the under-boob in modern society.", ">\n\nUnderboob means no bra which drives our animalistic instincts, normal cleavage can be the result of a push up bra", ">\n\nI think it's hotter look & more realistic for every shape & size to look flattering. Love underboob. 🤙", ">\n\nI only read one mention of side boob.. with side boob, under boob, and cleavage I almost have a complete picture.", ">\n\nYou just reminded me of Channon's nipple window outfit in Transmetropolitan.", ">\n\nUnderboob is the only case of potential energy working in practice", ">\n\nWe don't see underboob on a daily basis, so it's the excitement of different even though it's not that different.", ">\n\nI love underboon. As others have pointed out, it's a less common sight, so it's more of a treat.", ">\n\nKinda like side boob", ">\n\nDon't even get me started on the occasional nipple sighting.", ">\n\nThe answer is gravity. More likely for them to fall out and be completely exposed.", ">\n\nOne has crumbs the other gets sweaty. Both are salty I guess", ">\n\nUnderboob is much more risqué, because then you’ll see my undernipple.", ">\n\nThis is like saying wine in a box is the same as wine in a bottle.", ">\n\nLet’s face it. Most guys are from the dark ages. They’re caveman. They like a woman to be showing her cleavage and under boob cleavage. But for me, a woman looks best when she is just absolutely naked.", ">\n\nI assume it's because of gravity.\nUnderboob has the rounded look that's in right now. The fake boob perky look.\nTop cleavage can with a good bra but gravity guarantees that nice round underboob.", ">\n\nI disagree completely. Tell the girl with under boob and the girl with normal cleavage to jump up and down and notice who slips out first.", ">\n\nThe answer would be me. I'd slip out first.", ">\n\nwhere does side-boob fall in the pantheon of breast visibility? asking for science.", ">\n\nOver < Side < Under.", ">\n\nUnderboob is just more honest, you know there’s no lies and deception there", ">\n\nOkay, I’m a woman and I do not know what what under-boob cleavage is 😂Someone please explain! My assumption is that it is cleavage that is some how developed from wearing like a tube top or something? Am I right? Lol", ">\n\nWhenever I see underboob cleavage all I can think about is boob sweat…😝maybe that’s because “underboob” is the armpit of the boobs…", ">\n\nYou're missing the side boob. Essentially the same thing essentially.", ">\n\nCall me crazy, but as I guy, I prefer underboob more so than the whole boob. And this is primarily when having sex...It just turns me on that much more.", ">\n\nDo you have an example? I’m a little unclear on the point are making.", ">\n\nTry telling Twitch that. Cleavage is fine but underboob gets banned.", ">\n\nYou are categorically seeing more skin if you are getting under boob.", ">\n\nI have this Bikini that shows a lot of under boob. I thought it was sexy. I asked my (then) BF if he likes it and wanted me to wear it. He said NO! He didn’t think it was a sexy as my regular small triangle shaped (on each boob) bikini 👙 top. My Girlfriends came to visit and we were going to the beach and I put on the under boob bikini top and they said “No! That’s too sexy!l”.", ">\n\nIt's essentially the same skin as anywhere else on the body, too.", ">\n\nCan’t believe people care so much about boobs.\nSure; they’re nice. But worth such discussion over? Way to commodify something simple and a bit nice", ">\n\nBecause biology.\nWant to talk about how societal norms and human biology clash in a weird way? Cleavage.", ">\n\nBecause gravity means they might slip off.\nAlso, at least for me as a man and the women I’ve been with, the preference is that they be cupped from the bottom when they intentionally expose themselves to me hahaha. \nI guess they feel supported that way idk feels good to me and them.", ">\n\nI'll take a knee", ">\n\nAlso usually means no bra is there", ">\n\nIt's also that you're getting teased, instead of just being shown everything.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage is illegal in my city (in California). It is in the ordinance prohibiting women being topless in public.", ">\n\nMy guess is that it’s the distance to nipple (dtn) that makes one feel more risky.", ">\n\nFor a bikini, yes. For shirts/ dresses, no.\nRegular cleavage expands an existing necessary hole in, under boob requires additional holes to exist just to show under boob.\nBut they are the same risqué as keyhole neck lines", ">\n\n....... because cleavage to at least some extent is frequently on display. I'm just a b-cup and the right bra will push up enough cleavage that I wouldn't wear the shirt to work but would have no issue wearing to publically like to dinner with family or friends.\nBut when do you ever see underboob publically outside perhaps a club? Swimming...? It's going to feel naughtier because it's so much rarer to see.", ">\n\nDepending on the time of month, they be at equilibrium and its awesome.", ">\n\nWhat can I say except that I’ve never seen an underboob in real life", ">\n\nI would argue that it's not. You can have regular cleavage whenever. Underboob cleavage only happens in the absence of a bra.", ">\n\nUnderboob IS risqué because sometimes there are things under the underboob that are not pleasant", ">\n\nI hardly ever wear bras when out and I like wearing some workout shirts that gown the side just a bit to give a little peek a boo of under boob lol", ">\n\nCan't quite picture it in my head, can you provide examples please?", ">\n\nIt’s also harder to pull off, as it kinda requires a certain type of boob shape.", ">\n\nMy nipples are now in my underboob area so they are not all the same thing :)", ">\n\nI think it’s just normally it’s covered so it’s the scarcity that makes it hot." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nUnderboob implies the possibility of gravity making it full boob", ">\n\nYeah, underboob carries a much higher risk of loss of containment.", ">\n\nand then you get a warp core breach.", ">\n\nStop it, you're overloading my PPS conduits", ">\n\nSounds like someone needs to scrub their plasma manifolds", ">\n\nLet me know if Dax is available", ">\n\nKurzon?", ">\n\nNo, I blame him for Jadzia's death lol", ">\n\nJadzia dies!?", ">\n\nDepends on your definition of \"dies\"", ">\n\nit defines the actual shape of the breast. \nAlso, it’s less common to see. Calves used to be risqué at one time.", ">\n\nYeah baby, show us that ankle\n-Victorian Era bros probably", ">\n\nFun fact: table \"legs\" were deemed potentially too arousing, hence the development of the table skirt.\nVictorian's were fucking weird.", ">\n\nI demand boobs on furniture.", ">\n\nboobs, and a whole lot more", ">\n\nNow that just makes it seem like the victorians were actually justified.", ">\n\nImagine having that hidden under a table skirt in Victorian England.", ">\n\noooh the scandal!", ">\n\nGene Roddenberry once said that when designing costumes for the original Star Trek back in the late 1960s, network censors allowed some top cleavage but forbade - to use your term - “under-boob cleavage.”", ">\n\nInteresting! This is a fascinating confirmation of my hunch.", ">\n\nI have been diagnosed with dementia.", ">\n\nYou know damn well that this is a common bug on reddit.", ">\n\nPerhaps he forgot", ">\n\nTrue. Also, \nGitHub.com/MOABdali/MegaCheckers", ">\n\nThis will make a fine addition to my collection", ">\n\nThis was from before I became a \"professional coder\". I'm a bit better now, so I've begun working on the game from scratch now, utilizing less spaghetti code.", ">\n\ngotta love the underboob. the sight of it is guaranteed to improve your day.", ">\n\nUnless you're at Walmart, and they're hanging over a belt", ">\n\nUnderboobs often comes with a visible tummy. \nIt's a great combo.", ">\n\nThere a sub for that? Asking for me.", ">\n\nThere is definitely an underboob subreddit.", ">\n\nThere are at least two.", ">\n\nAnd my axe!", ">\n\nHow many times have you seen someone's tits fall out a normal cleavage? Coz I haven't? But have you ever seen a girl with an underboob shirt lift her arms? Tits come flying out", ">\n\nOnce. I've seen tits explode out of cleavage, (not on purpose) once. It was my great aunt. She was 76.", ">\n\nI'm so sorry/happy for you that you had to witness this", ">\n\nwhy are you happy bro damn he said she was his 76yo great aunt tf", ">\n\nHey, I said sorry/happy. No clue what he's into", ">\n\nFunny shit", ">\n\nUnder is closer to the nipple so I feel that makes it more risqué.", ">\n\nNot when you’re 40", ">\n\noh yea gimme some of that granny underboob.\nShe's showing underboob cleavage, but its a normal XL shirt", ">\n\nGranny? At 40?", ">\n\nImagine you have a kid at 20. And that kid has a kid at 20. How old are?\nNow have you ever met anyone that had a kid BEFORE 20?... I bet you have.", ">\n\nI know it’s technically possible to be a granny at 40. The vast majority of 40 year olds are not grandmothers however. I’m 40, husband is 43, our kids are 6.", ">\n\nLol well I'm about to hit 37. I know what you're saying. I'm just saying. Lots of grandparents across the globe are our age.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage basically shows that it’s not a bra doing the work and they really ARE that perky/voluminous. Plus lol it’s seen less so is just that more hot.", ">\n\nYeah I was going to say, they actually don’t always show the same thing. Cleavage can show many things, but often times it’s “what they look like while supported and pushed slightly together. Cleavage view vs natural can often be quite different. \nBut under boob cleavage, by very nature of no bra, a “is what you see is what you get” type deal.", ">\n\nIt does, under boob makes me far hornier than regular cleavage", ">\n\nSame, side boob and top boob are regular everyday occurrences. They have become somewhat played out. You can go to a church and you may see some top boob.\nUnder boob is a treat. An occasion. Something special", ">\n\nSide boob is my favorite boob", ">\n\nSide boob when classy. Under boob when casual. This is the scientific formula.", ">\n\nSide, under, top are all OK to be seen these days. My conclusion is ladies who want to show off should just put some pasties on and be done it.", ">\n\nYeah, agreed. Culturally, we’ve created a fetish out of boobs by forcing them to be concealed. It’s a feedback loop… they’re sexualized because they’re hidden, and they’re hidden because they’re sexualized. Gotta break the cycle.", ">\n\nLOL yeah tell that to thousands of years of evolution. They aren't sexualized because they're hidden. But I agree with your overall point.", ">\n\nHave you been to a nude beach, or just a beach outside of America? It becomes normalized very quickly and is nothing more fascinating than a leg. Just like legs can be well formed and attractive, so can boobs, but I don’t believe they are inherently more sexual than other parts of the body we don’t consider provocative.\nI’m surprised you bring up evolution when we can look to modern day tribes where the women are topless and it’s a non-event. Any time you prohibit something, that thing becomes more exciting. If you’re on a diet and not allowed to eat sugar, your first bite of cake in a year will be damn near orgasmic. Cake every day is boring. We love the forbidden and the taboo because we are novelty seekers.", ">\n\nI agree with you to the most part. \nBut i do think there is an evolutionairy element, due to them beeing the deciding factor if a woman will be able to nurture younglings. Sexualisation of them makes no sense in this context, BUT since it is a specific female body-trait, it will remind the male brain to fullfill his destiny", ">\n\nwhat abt lesbians then ? Are they “male brained” because they find tits attractive ?", ">\n\nThey’re usually a little more gradually sloping at the top, allowing for a bit more plausible deniability of exactly where they start. At the bottom it’s bam.", ">\n\nUnder boob and no bra… oh my gawd. What a time to be alive man.", ">\n\nIt’s not necessarily more risqué, but it certainly is more risky. One sudden movement and it’s over 😭", ">\n\nbut u r less like to accidentally flash someone if u just have upper boob cleavage rather than lower", ">\n\nThis is called Australian cleavage.\nBecause it is from down unda", ">\n\nWhat...you totally left out side-boob exposure? Now I'll have to go for a shower myself and give this topic some serious thought.", ">\n\nUnderboob usually means the entire torso is exposed while regular cleavage is just a few inches of chest and neck.", ">\n\nProbably just normalization. Top-of-boob is extremely common whereas bottom-of-boob is more difficulty and so more rare.", ">\n\nI think because it feels FAR less secure than “top cleavage”. Like one upward moving breeze and you’re fucked", ">\n\nHeh", ">\n\nTo show underboob, you’ve got to have your belly out too, no?", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear. Same amount if skin, but one is scandalous for people. Logic.", ">\n\nSwimsuit vs underwear is more about the situation, not the amout of skin showing", ">\n\nAlso they wildly different type of fabric.\nIt's not much different than wearing a speedo becomes wildly less acceptable the further from water you get", ">\n\nMan, freshman year of highschool I took biology. My lab partner was this sophmore hippy chick. more often than not she wore crop tops with no bra. She would stretch by raising her arms way over her head like a dozen times per class and the underboob was glorious. good times.", ">\n\nUmmm missed signs / opportunity?", ">\n\nIt's been too many years to remember to be honest, but I think she had a boyfriend with a car and that was way too intimidating for 14 year old me. \n🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nYou typically only see the bottom of the boob when you can see the entire boob, so that's why I think it's so much more alluring. Way less common to see without also seeing a nipple.", ">\n\nUnderboob cleavage is like dogs watching you eat food waiting for you to drop some. Regular cleavage is dogs seeing food on the counter and knowing they're not allowed up there.", ">\n\nUnder-boob is 1 abrupt movement away from full titties. Normal cleavage needs a full handstand for that.", ">\n\nany woman can look good with top cleavage. only a special few can pull off bottom cleavage", ">\n\nA few? Oh, friend.\nThere are over 350,000 plumbers represented by the United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipefitting Industry of US and Canada!", ">\n\nThey are absolutely NOT the same. Underboob any day. Im also partial to side-tit", ">\n\nUnderboob is more provocative imo.. depending on the occasion it can br very sexy.", ">\n\nIdk man I can get a lot more boob details from under boob. You can kinda tell the size of the boobs from traditional cleavage. But under boob gives so much more info. Are they perky? Do they hang nicely? Are they centered or off to the sides? Are the nipples huge? All of these questions are answered.", ">\n\nI hate Anton levay, but he calls this The Law of the Forbidden.", ">\n\nIf we all wear knee and elbow pads. In a few 100 years or less even. Knees and elbows will become an aphrodisiac. \nSomething to take into account. We want what we can’t have. \nThis is my big argument on drug addiction and that most of addiction stems from the scarcity of drug supply. It’s not like Starbucks where you can get your CNS most times of the day and if Starbucks is close, gas stations got the back up for you CNS.", ">\n\nThere's a complete lack of appreciation for the under-boob in modern society.", ">\n\nUnderboob means no bra which drives our animalistic instincts, normal cleavage can be the result of a push up bra", ">\n\nI think it's hotter look & more realistic for every shape & size to look flattering. Love underboob. 🤙", ">\n\nI only read one mention of side boob.. with side boob, under boob, and cleavage I almost have a complete picture.", ">\n\nYou just reminded me of Channon's nipple window outfit in Transmetropolitan.", ">\n\nUnderboob is the only case of potential energy working in practice", ">\n\nWe don't see underboob on a daily basis, so it's the excitement of different even though it's not that different.", ">\n\nI love underboon. As others have pointed out, it's a less common sight, so it's more of a treat.", ">\n\nKinda like side boob", ">\n\nDon't even get me started on the occasional nipple sighting.", ">\n\nThe answer is gravity. More likely for them to fall out and be completely exposed.", ">\n\nOne has crumbs the other gets sweaty. Both are salty I guess", ">\n\nUnderboob is much more risqué, because then you’ll see my undernipple.", ">\n\nThis is like saying wine in a box is the same as wine in a bottle.", ">\n\nLet’s face it. Most guys are from the dark ages. They’re caveman. They like a woman to be showing her cleavage and under boob cleavage. But for me, a woman looks best when she is just absolutely naked.", ">\n\nI assume it's because of gravity.\nUnderboob has the rounded look that's in right now. The fake boob perky look.\nTop cleavage can with a good bra but gravity guarantees that nice round underboob.", ">\n\nI disagree completely. Tell the girl with under boob and the girl with normal cleavage to jump up and down and notice who slips out first.", ">\n\nThe answer would be me. I'd slip out first.", ">\n\nwhere does side-boob fall in the pantheon of breast visibility? asking for science.", ">\n\nOver < Side < Under.", ">\n\nUnderboob is just more honest, you know there’s no lies and deception there", ">\n\nOkay, I’m a woman and I do not know what what under-boob cleavage is 😂Someone please explain! My assumption is that it is cleavage that is some how developed from wearing like a tube top or something? Am I right? Lol", ">\n\nWhenever I see underboob cleavage all I can think about is boob sweat…😝maybe that’s because “underboob” is the armpit of the boobs…", ">\n\nYou're missing the side boob. Essentially the same thing essentially.", ">\n\nCall me crazy, but as I guy, I prefer underboob more so than the whole boob. And this is primarily when having sex...It just turns me on that much more.", ">\n\nDo you have an example? I’m a little unclear on the point are making.", ">\n\nTry telling Twitch that. Cleavage is fine but underboob gets banned.", ">\n\nYou are categorically seeing more skin if you are getting under boob.", ">\n\nI have this Bikini that shows a lot of under boob. I thought it was sexy. I asked my (then) BF if he likes it and wanted me to wear it. He said NO! He didn’t think it was a sexy as my regular small triangle shaped (on each boob) bikini 👙 top. My Girlfriends came to visit and we were going to the beach and I put on the under boob bikini top and they said “No! That’s too sexy!l”.", ">\n\nIt's essentially the same skin as anywhere else on the body, too.", ">\n\nCan’t believe people care so much about boobs.\nSure; they’re nice. But worth such discussion over? Way to commodify something simple and a bit nice", ">\n\nBecause biology.\nWant to talk about how societal norms and human biology clash in a weird way? Cleavage.", ">\n\nBecause gravity means they might slip off.\nAlso, at least for me as a man and the women I’ve been with, the preference is that they be cupped from the bottom when they intentionally expose themselves to me hahaha. \nI guess they feel supported that way idk feels good to me and them.", ">\n\nI'll take a knee", ">\n\nAlso usually means no bra is there", ">\n\nIt's also that you're getting teased, instead of just being shown everything.", ">\n\nUnder boob cleavage is illegal in my city (in California). It is in the ordinance prohibiting women being topless in public.", ">\n\nMy guess is that it’s the distance to nipple (dtn) that makes one feel more risky.", ">\n\nFor a bikini, yes. For shirts/ dresses, no.\nRegular cleavage expands an existing necessary hole in, under boob requires additional holes to exist just to show under boob.\nBut they are the same risqué as keyhole neck lines", ">\n\n....... because cleavage to at least some extent is frequently on display. I'm just a b-cup and the right bra will push up enough cleavage that I wouldn't wear the shirt to work but would have no issue wearing to publically like to dinner with family or friends.\nBut when do you ever see underboob publically outside perhaps a club? Swimming...? It's going to feel naughtier because it's so much rarer to see.", ">\n\nDepending on the time of month, they be at equilibrium and its awesome.", ">\n\nWhat can I say except that I’ve never seen an underboob in real life", ">\n\nI would argue that it's not. You can have regular cleavage whenever. Underboob cleavage only happens in the absence of a bra.", ">\n\nUnderboob IS risqué because sometimes there are things under the underboob that are not pleasant", ">\n\nI hardly ever wear bras when out and I like wearing some workout shirts that gown the side just a bit to give a little peek a boo of under boob lol", ">\n\nCan't quite picture it in my head, can you provide examples please?", ">\n\nIt’s also harder to pull off, as it kinda requires a certain type of boob shape.", ">\n\nMy nipples are now in my underboob area so they are not all the same thing :)", ">\n\nI think it’s just normally it’s covered so it’s the scarcity that makes it hot.", ">\n\nThat’s like saying the North Pole and South Pole are essentially the same thing" ]

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[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system" ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards" ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys" ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out" ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion.", ">\n\nLiterally passed out in a running car... \nImagine what a normal person would get for that." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion.", ">\n\nLiterally passed out in a running car... \nImagine what a normal person would get for that.", ">\n\nWell in Indiana a “normal” person would get a c misdemeanor charge. The lowest level of misdemeanor if you are wondering. OWI is looked at softly whether you are a cop or not." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion.", ">\n\nLiterally passed out in a running car... \nImagine what a normal person would get for that.", ">\n\nWell in Indiana a “normal” person would get a c misdemeanor charge. The lowest level of misdemeanor if you are wondering. OWI is looked at softly whether you are a cop or not.", ">\n\nI know someone who parked their car off the road and went to sleep. Left keys in the igntion. Got OWI. But they were not in Indiana." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion.", ">\n\nLiterally passed out in a running car... \nImagine what a normal person would get for that.", ">\n\nWell in Indiana a “normal” person would get a c misdemeanor charge. The lowest level of misdemeanor if you are wondering. OWI is looked at softly whether you are a cop or not.", ">\n\nI know someone who parked their car off the road and went to sleep. Left keys in the igntion. Got OWI. But they were not in Indiana.", ">\n\nThere's a case in Wyoming where a guy knew he was too drunk to drive, knew the law about control of a vehicle while intoxicated, so he threw his keys over a high wooden fence, then went back to his car to sleep off the alcohol. The cops find him sleeping in his car, ask him where his keys are, scale the fence and then arrest him for dwi. Court ruled that because officers could scale the fence to get the keys, the guy was still in control of his vehicle and could therefore be charged with dwi." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion.", ">\n\nLiterally passed out in a running car... \nImagine what a normal person would get for that.", ">\n\nWell in Indiana a “normal” person would get a c misdemeanor charge. The lowest level of misdemeanor if you are wondering. OWI is looked at softly whether you are a cop or not.", ">\n\nI know someone who parked their car off the road and went to sleep. Left keys in the igntion. Got OWI. But they were not in Indiana.", ">\n\nThere's a case in Wyoming where a guy knew he was too drunk to drive, knew the law about control of a vehicle while intoxicated, so he threw his keys over a high wooden fence, then went back to his car to sleep off the alcohol. The cops find him sleeping in his car, ask him where his keys are, scale the fence and then arrest him for dwi. Court ruled that because officers could scale the fence to get the keys, the guy was still in control of his vehicle and could therefore be charged with dwi.", ">\n\nBy that logic, anyone who hasn't destroyed their car keys before having a drink can get a dwi." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion.", ">\n\nLiterally passed out in a running car... \nImagine what a normal person would get for that.", ">\n\nWell in Indiana a “normal” person would get a c misdemeanor charge. The lowest level of misdemeanor if you are wondering. OWI is looked at softly whether you are a cop or not.", ">\n\nI know someone who parked their car off the road and went to sleep. Left keys in the igntion. Got OWI. But they were not in Indiana.", ">\n\nThere's a case in Wyoming where a guy knew he was too drunk to drive, knew the law about control of a vehicle while intoxicated, so he threw his keys over a high wooden fence, then went back to his car to sleep off the alcohol. The cops find him sleeping in his car, ask him where his keys are, scale the fence and then arrest him for dwi. Court ruled that because officers could scale the fence to get the keys, the guy was still in control of his vehicle and could therefore be charged with dwi.", ">\n\nBy that logic, anyone who hasn't destroyed their car keys before having a drink can get a dwi.", ">\n\nAgreed. Short of locking my keys in a bank vault with no combo/key, it could be argued I could get them at any other location/point as well by that logic. Just more \"justice\" being served I guess." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion.", ">\n\nLiterally passed out in a running car... \nImagine what a normal person would get for that.", ">\n\nWell in Indiana a “normal” person would get a c misdemeanor charge. The lowest level of misdemeanor if you are wondering. OWI is looked at softly whether you are a cop or not.", ">\n\nI know someone who parked their car off the road and went to sleep. Left keys in the igntion. Got OWI. But they were not in Indiana.", ">\n\nThere's a case in Wyoming where a guy knew he was too drunk to drive, knew the law about control of a vehicle while intoxicated, so he threw his keys over a high wooden fence, then went back to his car to sleep off the alcohol. The cops find him sleeping in his car, ask him where his keys are, scale the fence and then arrest him for dwi. Court ruled that because officers could scale the fence to get the keys, the guy was still in control of his vehicle and could therefore be charged with dwi.", ">\n\nBy that logic, anyone who hasn't destroyed their car keys before having a drink can get a dwi.", ">\n\nAgreed. Short of locking my keys in a bank vault with no combo/key, it could be argued I could get them at any other location/point as well by that logic. Just more \"justice\" being served I guess.", ">\n\nI mean really you could always borrow somebody’s car or steal a car, so maybe we should just walk into bars and arrest everybody who is already drunk if there happened to be any motor vehicles at all within walking distance of the establishment. \nIt’s a line drawing exercise. I think that most of us agree that getting into a motor vehicle while intoxicated and driving on a public highway is not something that should be tolerated. But we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \nI’m just curious whether people would back these policies for other kinds of crime. I mean I guess that we do talk about it with guns, suggesting criminalizing merely possessing a gun rather than waiting for a violent crime to happen. But that’s really hypothetical; we talk about gun control but for the most part it doesn’t happen." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion.", ">\n\nLiterally passed out in a running car... \nImagine what a normal person would get for that.", ">\n\nWell in Indiana a “normal” person would get a c misdemeanor charge. The lowest level of misdemeanor if you are wondering. OWI is looked at softly whether you are a cop or not.", ">\n\nI know someone who parked their car off the road and went to sleep. Left keys in the igntion. Got OWI. But they were not in Indiana.", ">\n\nThere's a case in Wyoming where a guy knew he was too drunk to drive, knew the law about control of a vehicle while intoxicated, so he threw his keys over a high wooden fence, then went back to his car to sleep off the alcohol. The cops find him sleeping in his car, ask him where his keys are, scale the fence and then arrest him for dwi. Court ruled that because officers could scale the fence to get the keys, the guy was still in control of his vehicle and could therefore be charged with dwi.", ">\n\nBy that logic, anyone who hasn't destroyed their car keys before having a drink can get a dwi.", ">\n\nAgreed. Short of locking my keys in a bank vault with no combo/key, it could be argued I could get them at any other location/point as well by that logic. Just more \"justice\" being served I guess.", ">\n\nI mean really you could always borrow somebody’s car or steal a car, so maybe we should just walk into bars and arrest everybody who is already drunk if there happened to be any motor vehicles at all within walking distance of the establishment. \nIt’s a line drawing exercise. I think that most of us agree that getting into a motor vehicle while intoxicated and driving on a public highway is not something that should be tolerated. But we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \nI’m just curious whether people would back these policies for other kinds of crime. I mean I guess that we do talk about it with guns, suggesting criminalizing merely possessing a gun rather than waiting for a violent crime to happen. But that’s really hypothetical; we talk about gun control but for the most part it doesn’t happen.", ">\n\n\nBut we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \n\nHonestly, I think it's because a majority of people take more satisfaction in \"catching the bad guy\" then the possible consequences of getting the wrong person bothers them. People love that feeling, you can tell anytime some criminal gets caught. Regardless of what they did, it's still weird seeing people joke gleefully about prison rape and the consequences someone might suffer. I'm glad they're off the street, but I'm not celebrating more suffering." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion.", ">\n\nLiterally passed out in a running car... \nImagine what a normal person would get for that.", ">\n\nWell in Indiana a “normal” person would get a c misdemeanor charge. The lowest level of misdemeanor if you are wondering. OWI is looked at softly whether you are a cop or not.", ">\n\nI know someone who parked their car off the road and went to sleep. Left keys in the igntion. Got OWI. But they were not in Indiana.", ">\n\nThere's a case in Wyoming where a guy knew he was too drunk to drive, knew the law about control of a vehicle while intoxicated, so he threw his keys over a high wooden fence, then went back to his car to sleep off the alcohol. The cops find him sleeping in his car, ask him where his keys are, scale the fence and then arrest him for dwi. Court ruled that because officers could scale the fence to get the keys, the guy was still in control of his vehicle and could therefore be charged with dwi.", ">\n\nBy that logic, anyone who hasn't destroyed their car keys before having a drink can get a dwi.", ">\n\nAgreed. Short of locking my keys in a bank vault with no combo/key, it could be argued I could get them at any other location/point as well by that logic. Just more \"justice\" being served I guess.", ">\n\nI mean really you could always borrow somebody’s car or steal a car, so maybe we should just walk into bars and arrest everybody who is already drunk if there happened to be any motor vehicles at all within walking distance of the establishment. \nIt’s a line drawing exercise. I think that most of us agree that getting into a motor vehicle while intoxicated and driving on a public highway is not something that should be tolerated. But we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \nI’m just curious whether people would back these policies for other kinds of crime. I mean I guess that we do talk about it with guns, suggesting criminalizing merely possessing a gun rather than waiting for a violent crime to happen. But that’s really hypothetical; we talk about gun control but for the most part it doesn’t happen.", ">\n\n\nBut we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \n\nHonestly, I think it's because a majority of people take more satisfaction in \"catching the bad guy\" then the possible consequences of getting the wrong person bothers them. People love that feeling, you can tell anytime some criminal gets caught. Regardless of what they did, it's still weird seeing people joke gleefully about prison rape and the consequences someone might suffer. I'm glad they're off the street, but I'm not celebrating more suffering.", ">\n\nYes, I think there is that. To go back a layer I think it comes down to the sociological “other.” We have a tendency to love dehumanizing people for all sorts of reasons, and it’s not really as simple as a good/bad binary where only bad people engage in prejudice and hatred. I think most people are quite happy to categorize others as “criminals” for any available reason and once you have put the other into a category like that the whole idea of criminal justice reform just seems kind of silly. Those aren’t people, they’re criminals. Something is wrong with you if you think that they need to be treated humanely or fairly." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion.", ">\n\nLiterally passed out in a running car... \nImagine what a normal person would get for that.", ">\n\nWell in Indiana a “normal” person would get a c misdemeanor charge. The lowest level of misdemeanor if you are wondering. OWI is looked at softly whether you are a cop or not.", ">\n\nI know someone who parked their car off the road and went to sleep. Left keys in the igntion. Got OWI. But they were not in Indiana.", ">\n\nThere's a case in Wyoming where a guy knew he was too drunk to drive, knew the law about control of a vehicle while intoxicated, so he threw his keys over a high wooden fence, then went back to his car to sleep off the alcohol. The cops find him sleeping in his car, ask him where his keys are, scale the fence and then arrest him for dwi. Court ruled that because officers could scale the fence to get the keys, the guy was still in control of his vehicle and could therefore be charged with dwi.", ">\n\nBy that logic, anyone who hasn't destroyed their car keys before having a drink can get a dwi.", ">\n\nAgreed. Short of locking my keys in a bank vault with no combo/key, it could be argued I could get them at any other location/point as well by that logic. Just more \"justice\" being served I guess.", ">\n\nI mean really you could always borrow somebody’s car or steal a car, so maybe we should just walk into bars and arrest everybody who is already drunk if there happened to be any motor vehicles at all within walking distance of the establishment. \nIt’s a line drawing exercise. I think that most of us agree that getting into a motor vehicle while intoxicated and driving on a public highway is not something that should be tolerated. But we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \nI’m just curious whether people would back these policies for other kinds of crime. I mean I guess that we do talk about it with guns, suggesting criminalizing merely possessing a gun rather than waiting for a violent crime to happen. But that’s really hypothetical; we talk about gun control but for the most part it doesn’t happen.", ">\n\n\nBut we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \n\nHonestly, I think it's because a majority of people take more satisfaction in \"catching the bad guy\" then the possible consequences of getting the wrong person bothers them. People love that feeling, you can tell anytime some criminal gets caught. Regardless of what they did, it's still weird seeing people joke gleefully about prison rape and the consequences someone might suffer. I'm glad they're off the street, but I'm not celebrating more suffering.", ">\n\nYes, I think there is that. To go back a layer I think it comes down to the sociological “other.” We have a tendency to love dehumanizing people for all sorts of reasons, and it’s not really as simple as a good/bad binary where only bad people engage in prejudice and hatred. I think most people are quite happy to categorize others as “criminals” for any available reason and once you have put the other into a category like that the whole idea of criminal justice reform just seems kind of silly. Those aren’t people, they’re criminals. Something is wrong with you if you think that they need to be treated humanely or fairly.", ">\n\nI’ve not been caught drunk on a job for way longer than that, where’s my promotion ??" ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion.", ">\n\nLiterally passed out in a running car... \nImagine what a normal person would get for that.", ">\n\nWell in Indiana a “normal” person would get a c misdemeanor charge. The lowest level of misdemeanor if you are wondering. OWI is looked at softly whether you are a cop or not.", ">\n\nI know someone who parked their car off the road and went to sleep. Left keys in the igntion. Got OWI. But they were not in Indiana.", ">\n\nThere's a case in Wyoming where a guy knew he was too drunk to drive, knew the law about control of a vehicle while intoxicated, so he threw his keys over a high wooden fence, then went back to his car to sleep off the alcohol. The cops find him sleeping in his car, ask him where his keys are, scale the fence and then arrest him for dwi. Court ruled that because officers could scale the fence to get the keys, the guy was still in control of his vehicle and could therefore be charged with dwi.", ">\n\nBy that logic, anyone who hasn't destroyed their car keys before having a drink can get a dwi.", ">\n\nAgreed. Short of locking my keys in a bank vault with no combo/key, it could be argued I could get them at any other location/point as well by that logic. Just more \"justice\" being served I guess.", ">\n\nI mean really you could always borrow somebody’s car or steal a car, so maybe we should just walk into bars and arrest everybody who is already drunk if there happened to be any motor vehicles at all within walking distance of the establishment. \nIt’s a line drawing exercise. I think that most of us agree that getting into a motor vehicle while intoxicated and driving on a public highway is not something that should be tolerated. But we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \nI’m just curious whether people would back these policies for other kinds of crime. I mean I guess that we do talk about it with guns, suggesting criminalizing merely possessing a gun rather than waiting for a violent crime to happen. But that’s really hypothetical; we talk about gun control but for the most part it doesn’t happen.", ">\n\n\nBut we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \n\nHonestly, I think it's because a majority of people take more satisfaction in \"catching the bad guy\" then the possible consequences of getting the wrong person bothers them. People love that feeling, you can tell anytime some criminal gets caught. Regardless of what they did, it's still weird seeing people joke gleefully about prison rape and the consequences someone might suffer. I'm glad they're off the street, but I'm not celebrating more suffering.", ">\n\nYes, I think there is that. To go back a layer I think it comes down to the sociological “other.” We have a tendency to love dehumanizing people for all sorts of reasons, and it’s not really as simple as a good/bad binary where only bad people engage in prejudice and hatred. I think most people are quite happy to categorize others as “criminals” for any available reason and once you have put the other into a category like that the whole idea of criminal justice reform just seems kind of silly. Those aren’t people, they’re criminals. Something is wrong with you if you think that they need to be treated humanely or fairly.", ">\n\nI’ve not been caught drunk on a job for way longer than that, where’s my promotion ??", ">\n\nYa gotta be a cop to get promoted for mediocrity." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion.", ">\n\nLiterally passed out in a running car... \nImagine what a normal person would get for that.", ">\n\nWell in Indiana a “normal” person would get a c misdemeanor charge. The lowest level of misdemeanor if you are wondering. OWI is looked at softly whether you are a cop or not.", ">\n\nI know someone who parked their car off the road and went to sleep. Left keys in the igntion. Got OWI. But they were not in Indiana.", ">\n\nThere's a case in Wyoming where a guy knew he was too drunk to drive, knew the law about control of a vehicle while intoxicated, so he threw his keys over a high wooden fence, then went back to his car to sleep off the alcohol. The cops find him sleeping in his car, ask him where his keys are, scale the fence and then arrest him for dwi. Court ruled that because officers could scale the fence to get the keys, the guy was still in control of his vehicle and could therefore be charged with dwi.", ">\n\nBy that logic, anyone who hasn't destroyed their car keys before having a drink can get a dwi.", ">\n\nAgreed. Short of locking my keys in a bank vault with no combo/key, it could be argued I could get them at any other location/point as well by that logic. Just more \"justice\" being served I guess.", ">\n\nI mean really you could always borrow somebody’s car or steal a car, so maybe we should just walk into bars and arrest everybody who is already drunk if there happened to be any motor vehicles at all within walking distance of the establishment. \nIt’s a line drawing exercise. I think that most of us agree that getting into a motor vehicle while intoxicated and driving on a public highway is not something that should be tolerated. But we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \nI’m just curious whether people would back these policies for other kinds of crime. I mean I guess that we do talk about it with guns, suggesting criminalizing merely possessing a gun rather than waiting for a violent crime to happen. But that’s really hypothetical; we talk about gun control but for the most part it doesn’t happen.", ">\n\n\nBut we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \n\nHonestly, I think it's because a majority of people take more satisfaction in \"catching the bad guy\" then the possible consequences of getting the wrong person bothers them. People love that feeling, you can tell anytime some criminal gets caught. Regardless of what they did, it's still weird seeing people joke gleefully about prison rape and the consequences someone might suffer. I'm glad they're off the street, but I'm not celebrating more suffering.", ">\n\nYes, I think there is that. To go back a layer I think it comes down to the sociological “other.” We have a tendency to love dehumanizing people for all sorts of reasons, and it’s not really as simple as a good/bad binary where only bad people engage in prejudice and hatred. I think most people are quite happy to categorize others as “criminals” for any available reason and once you have put the other into a category like that the whole idea of criminal justice reform just seems kind of silly. Those aren’t people, they’re criminals. Something is wrong with you if you think that they need to be treated humanely or fairly.", ">\n\nI’ve not been caught drunk on a job for way longer than that, where’s my promotion ??", ">\n\nYa gotta be a cop to get promoted for mediocrity.", ">\n\nNot even mediocrity in this example just straight “I break the laws and nobody gives a shit”. I wonder how many people he’s taken to jail for driving under the influence since his little incident." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion.", ">\n\nLiterally passed out in a running car... \nImagine what a normal person would get for that.", ">\n\nWell in Indiana a “normal” person would get a c misdemeanor charge. The lowest level of misdemeanor if you are wondering. OWI is looked at softly whether you are a cop or not.", ">\n\nI know someone who parked their car off the road and went to sleep. Left keys in the igntion. Got OWI. But they were not in Indiana.", ">\n\nThere's a case in Wyoming where a guy knew he was too drunk to drive, knew the law about control of a vehicle while intoxicated, so he threw his keys over a high wooden fence, then went back to his car to sleep off the alcohol. The cops find him sleeping in his car, ask him where his keys are, scale the fence and then arrest him for dwi. Court ruled that because officers could scale the fence to get the keys, the guy was still in control of his vehicle and could therefore be charged with dwi.", ">\n\nBy that logic, anyone who hasn't destroyed their car keys before having a drink can get a dwi.", ">\n\nAgreed. Short of locking my keys in a bank vault with no combo/key, it could be argued I could get them at any other location/point as well by that logic. Just more \"justice\" being served I guess.", ">\n\nI mean really you could always borrow somebody’s car or steal a car, so maybe we should just walk into bars and arrest everybody who is already drunk if there happened to be any motor vehicles at all within walking distance of the establishment. \nIt’s a line drawing exercise. I think that most of us agree that getting into a motor vehicle while intoxicated and driving on a public highway is not something that should be tolerated. But we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \nI’m just curious whether people would back these policies for other kinds of crime. I mean I guess that we do talk about it with guns, suggesting criminalizing merely possessing a gun rather than waiting for a violent crime to happen. But that’s really hypothetical; we talk about gun control but for the most part it doesn’t happen.", ">\n\n\nBut we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \n\nHonestly, I think it's because a majority of people take more satisfaction in \"catching the bad guy\" then the possible consequences of getting the wrong person bothers them. People love that feeling, you can tell anytime some criminal gets caught. Regardless of what they did, it's still weird seeing people joke gleefully about prison rape and the consequences someone might suffer. I'm glad they're off the street, but I'm not celebrating more suffering.", ">\n\nYes, I think there is that. To go back a layer I think it comes down to the sociological “other.” We have a tendency to love dehumanizing people for all sorts of reasons, and it’s not really as simple as a good/bad binary where only bad people engage in prejudice and hatred. I think most people are quite happy to categorize others as “criminals” for any available reason and once you have put the other into a category like that the whole idea of criminal justice reform just seems kind of silly. Those aren’t people, they’re criminals. Something is wrong with you if you think that they need to be treated humanely or fairly.", ">\n\nI’ve not been caught drunk on a job for way longer than that, where’s my promotion ??", ">\n\nYa gotta be a cop to get promoted for mediocrity.", ">\n\nNot even mediocrity in this example just straight “I break the laws and nobody gives a shit”. I wonder how many people he’s taken to jail for driving under the influence since his little incident.", ">\n\nThe “mediocrity” is that he managed to not get caught for 3.5 years in an alcoholic stupor while armed and at the wheel of a police car." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion.", ">\n\nLiterally passed out in a running car... \nImagine what a normal person would get for that.", ">\n\nWell in Indiana a “normal” person would get a c misdemeanor charge. The lowest level of misdemeanor if you are wondering. OWI is looked at softly whether you are a cop or not.", ">\n\nI know someone who parked their car off the road and went to sleep. Left keys in the igntion. Got OWI. But they were not in Indiana.", ">\n\nThere's a case in Wyoming where a guy knew he was too drunk to drive, knew the law about control of a vehicle while intoxicated, so he threw his keys over a high wooden fence, then went back to his car to sleep off the alcohol. The cops find him sleeping in his car, ask him where his keys are, scale the fence and then arrest him for dwi. Court ruled that because officers could scale the fence to get the keys, the guy was still in control of his vehicle and could therefore be charged with dwi.", ">\n\nBy that logic, anyone who hasn't destroyed their car keys before having a drink can get a dwi.", ">\n\nAgreed. Short of locking my keys in a bank vault with no combo/key, it could be argued I could get them at any other location/point as well by that logic. Just more \"justice\" being served I guess.", ">\n\nI mean really you could always borrow somebody’s car or steal a car, so maybe we should just walk into bars and arrest everybody who is already drunk if there happened to be any motor vehicles at all within walking distance of the establishment. \nIt’s a line drawing exercise. I think that most of us agree that getting into a motor vehicle while intoxicated and driving on a public highway is not something that should be tolerated. But we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \nI’m just curious whether people would back these policies for other kinds of crime. I mean I guess that we do talk about it with guns, suggesting criminalizing merely possessing a gun rather than waiting for a violent crime to happen. But that’s really hypothetical; we talk about gun control but for the most part it doesn’t happen.", ">\n\n\nBut we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \n\nHonestly, I think it's because a majority of people take more satisfaction in \"catching the bad guy\" then the possible consequences of getting the wrong person bothers them. People love that feeling, you can tell anytime some criminal gets caught. Regardless of what they did, it's still weird seeing people joke gleefully about prison rape and the consequences someone might suffer. I'm glad they're off the street, but I'm not celebrating more suffering.", ">\n\nYes, I think there is that. To go back a layer I think it comes down to the sociological “other.” We have a tendency to love dehumanizing people for all sorts of reasons, and it’s not really as simple as a good/bad binary where only bad people engage in prejudice and hatred. I think most people are quite happy to categorize others as “criminals” for any available reason and once you have put the other into a category like that the whole idea of criminal justice reform just seems kind of silly. Those aren’t people, they’re criminals. Something is wrong with you if you think that they need to be treated humanely or fairly.", ">\n\nI’ve not been caught drunk on a job for way longer than that, where’s my promotion ??", ">\n\nYa gotta be a cop to get promoted for mediocrity.", ">\n\nNot even mediocrity in this example just straight “I break the laws and nobody gives a shit”. I wonder how many people he’s taken to jail for driving under the influence since his little incident.", ">\n\nThe “mediocrity” is that he managed to not get caught for 3.5 years in an alcoholic stupor while armed and at the wheel of a police car.", ">\n\nPeople in positions of power are never truly held accountable. It's the powerless that are and never allowed to redeem themselves. Fuck, he wasn't arrested, wasn't fired, received a work demotion, but promoted just a few years later. Aurora police didn't care about accountability then, and now they remind everyone the rules are just different for police." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion.", ">\n\nLiterally passed out in a running car... \nImagine what a normal person would get for that.", ">\n\nWell in Indiana a “normal” person would get a c misdemeanor charge. The lowest level of misdemeanor if you are wondering. OWI is looked at softly whether you are a cop or not.", ">\n\nI know someone who parked their car off the road and went to sleep. Left keys in the igntion. Got OWI. But they were not in Indiana.", ">\n\nThere's a case in Wyoming where a guy knew he was too drunk to drive, knew the law about control of a vehicle while intoxicated, so he threw his keys over a high wooden fence, then went back to his car to sleep off the alcohol. The cops find him sleeping in his car, ask him where his keys are, scale the fence and then arrest him for dwi. Court ruled that because officers could scale the fence to get the keys, the guy was still in control of his vehicle and could therefore be charged with dwi.", ">\n\nBy that logic, anyone who hasn't destroyed their car keys before having a drink can get a dwi.", ">\n\nAgreed. Short of locking my keys in a bank vault with no combo/key, it could be argued I could get them at any other location/point as well by that logic. Just more \"justice\" being served I guess.", ">\n\nI mean really you could always borrow somebody’s car or steal a car, so maybe we should just walk into bars and arrest everybody who is already drunk if there happened to be any motor vehicles at all within walking distance of the establishment. \nIt’s a line drawing exercise. I think that most of us agree that getting into a motor vehicle while intoxicated and driving on a public highway is not something that should be tolerated. But we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \nI’m just curious whether people would back these policies for other kinds of crime. I mean I guess that we do talk about it with guns, suggesting criminalizing merely possessing a gun rather than waiting for a violent crime to happen. But that’s really hypothetical; we talk about gun control but for the most part it doesn’t happen.", ">\n\n\nBut we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \n\nHonestly, I think it's because a majority of people take more satisfaction in \"catching the bad guy\" then the possible consequences of getting the wrong person bothers them. People love that feeling, you can tell anytime some criminal gets caught. Regardless of what they did, it's still weird seeing people joke gleefully about prison rape and the consequences someone might suffer. I'm glad they're off the street, but I'm not celebrating more suffering.", ">\n\nYes, I think there is that. To go back a layer I think it comes down to the sociological “other.” We have a tendency to love dehumanizing people for all sorts of reasons, and it’s not really as simple as a good/bad binary where only bad people engage in prejudice and hatred. I think most people are quite happy to categorize others as “criminals” for any available reason and once you have put the other into a category like that the whole idea of criminal justice reform just seems kind of silly. Those aren’t people, they’re criminals. Something is wrong with you if you think that they need to be treated humanely or fairly.", ">\n\nI’ve not been caught drunk on a job for way longer than that, where’s my promotion ??", ">\n\nYa gotta be a cop to get promoted for mediocrity.", ">\n\nNot even mediocrity in this example just straight “I break the laws and nobody gives a shit”. I wonder how many people he’s taken to jail for driving under the influence since his little incident.", ">\n\nThe “mediocrity” is that he managed to not get caught for 3.5 years in an alcoholic stupor while armed and at the wheel of a police car.", ">\n\nPeople in positions of power are never truly held accountable. It's the powerless that are and never allowed to redeem themselves. Fuck, he wasn't arrested, wasn't fired, received a work demotion, but promoted just a few years later. Aurora police didn't care about accountability then, and now they remind everyone the rules are just different for police.", ">\n\nTbf 3.5 years is plenty of time to clean up your act. Should he have gotten in more trouble for driving drunk? The rest of us sure would, but how much time after a DUI has to pass before redemption is on the table?" ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion.", ">\n\nLiterally passed out in a running car... \nImagine what a normal person would get for that.", ">\n\nWell in Indiana a “normal” person would get a c misdemeanor charge. The lowest level of misdemeanor if you are wondering. OWI is looked at softly whether you are a cop or not.", ">\n\nI know someone who parked their car off the road and went to sleep. Left keys in the igntion. Got OWI. But they were not in Indiana.", ">\n\nThere's a case in Wyoming where a guy knew he was too drunk to drive, knew the law about control of a vehicle while intoxicated, so he threw his keys over a high wooden fence, then went back to his car to sleep off the alcohol. The cops find him sleeping in his car, ask him where his keys are, scale the fence and then arrest him for dwi. Court ruled that because officers could scale the fence to get the keys, the guy was still in control of his vehicle and could therefore be charged with dwi.", ">\n\nBy that logic, anyone who hasn't destroyed their car keys before having a drink can get a dwi.", ">\n\nAgreed. Short of locking my keys in a bank vault with no combo/key, it could be argued I could get them at any other location/point as well by that logic. Just more \"justice\" being served I guess.", ">\n\nI mean really you could always borrow somebody’s car or steal a car, so maybe we should just walk into bars and arrest everybody who is already drunk if there happened to be any motor vehicles at all within walking distance of the establishment. \nIt’s a line drawing exercise. I think that most of us agree that getting into a motor vehicle while intoxicated and driving on a public highway is not something that should be tolerated. But we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \nI’m just curious whether people would back these policies for other kinds of crime. I mean I guess that we do talk about it with guns, suggesting criminalizing merely possessing a gun rather than waiting for a violent crime to happen. But that’s really hypothetical; we talk about gun control but for the most part it doesn’t happen.", ">\n\n\nBut we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \n\nHonestly, I think it's because a majority of people take more satisfaction in \"catching the bad guy\" then the possible consequences of getting the wrong person bothers them. People love that feeling, you can tell anytime some criminal gets caught. Regardless of what they did, it's still weird seeing people joke gleefully about prison rape and the consequences someone might suffer. I'm glad they're off the street, but I'm not celebrating more suffering.", ">\n\nYes, I think there is that. To go back a layer I think it comes down to the sociological “other.” We have a tendency to love dehumanizing people for all sorts of reasons, and it’s not really as simple as a good/bad binary where only bad people engage in prejudice and hatred. I think most people are quite happy to categorize others as “criminals” for any available reason and once you have put the other into a category like that the whole idea of criminal justice reform just seems kind of silly. Those aren’t people, they’re criminals. Something is wrong with you if you think that they need to be treated humanely or fairly.", ">\n\nI’ve not been caught drunk on a job for way longer than that, where’s my promotion ??", ">\n\nYa gotta be a cop to get promoted for mediocrity.", ">\n\nNot even mediocrity in this example just straight “I break the laws and nobody gives a shit”. I wonder how many people he’s taken to jail for driving under the influence since his little incident.", ">\n\nThe “mediocrity” is that he managed to not get caught for 3.5 years in an alcoholic stupor while armed and at the wheel of a police car.", ">\n\nPeople in positions of power are never truly held accountable. It's the powerless that are and never allowed to redeem themselves. Fuck, he wasn't arrested, wasn't fired, received a work demotion, but promoted just a few years later. Aurora police didn't care about accountability then, and now they remind everyone the rules are just different for police.", ">\n\nTbf 3.5 years is plenty of time to clean up your act. Should he have gotten in more trouble for driving drunk? The rest of us sure would, but how much time after a DUI has to pass before redemption is on the table?", ">\n\nHe should have been fired and ineligible for rehire. A DUI will permanently bar you from any job I've ever heard of where you drive a car all day. And for a cop to be drunk on duty is wildly unacceptable. The dude was drunk as shit while carrying a gun. He absolutely should not be allowed to be a cop after that.\nAlso, why would he clean up his act? There were no consequences." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion.", ">\n\nLiterally passed out in a running car... \nImagine what a normal person would get for that.", ">\n\nWell in Indiana a “normal” person would get a c misdemeanor charge. The lowest level of misdemeanor if you are wondering. OWI is looked at softly whether you are a cop or not.", ">\n\nI know someone who parked their car off the road and went to sleep. Left keys in the igntion. Got OWI. But they were not in Indiana.", ">\n\nThere's a case in Wyoming where a guy knew he was too drunk to drive, knew the law about control of a vehicle while intoxicated, so he threw his keys over a high wooden fence, then went back to his car to sleep off the alcohol. The cops find him sleeping in his car, ask him where his keys are, scale the fence and then arrest him for dwi. Court ruled that because officers could scale the fence to get the keys, the guy was still in control of his vehicle and could therefore be charged with dwi.", ">\n\nBy that logic, anyone who hasn't destroyed their car keys before having a drink can get a dwi.", ">\n\nAgreed. Short of locking my keys in a bank vault with no combo/key, it could be argued I could get them at any other location/point as well by that logic. Just more \"justice\" being served I guess.", ">\n\nI mean really you could always borrow somebody’s car or steal a car, so maybe we should just walk into bars and arrest everybody who is already drunk if there happened to be any motor vehicles at all within walking distance of the establishment. \nIt’s a line drawing exercise. I think that most of us agree that getting into a motor vehicle while intoxicated and driving on a public highway is not something that should be tolerated. But we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \nI’m just curious whether people would back these policies for other kinds of crime. I mean I guess that we do talk about it with guns, suggesting criminalizing merely possessing a gun rather than waiting for a violent crime to happen. But that’s really hypothetical; we talk about gun control but for the most part it doesn’t happen.", ">\n\n\nBut we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \n\nHonestly, I think it's because a majority of people take more satisfaction in \"catching the bad guy\" then the possible consequences of getting the wrong person bothers them. People love that feeling, you can tell anytime some criminal gets caught. Regardless of what they did, it's still weird seeing people joke gleefully about prison rape and the consequences someone might suffer. I'm glad they're off the street, but I'm not celebrating more suffering.", ">\n\nYes, I think there is that. To go back a layer I think it comes down to the sociological “other.” We have a tendency to love dehumanizing people for all sorts of reasons, and it’s not really as simple as a good/bad binary where only bad people engage in prejudice and hatred. I think most people are quite happy to categorize others as “criminals” for any available reason and once you have put the other into a category like that the whole idea of criminal justice reform just seems kind of silly. Those aren’t people, they’re criminals. Something is wrong with you if you think that they need to be treated humanely or fairly.", ">\n\nI’ve not been caught drunk on a job for way longer than that, where’s my promotion ??", ">\n\nYa gotta be a cop to get promoted for mediocrity.", ">\n\nNot even mediocrity in this example just straight “I break the laws and nobody gives a shit”. I wonder how many people he’s taken to jail for driving under the influence since his little incident.", ">\n\nThe “mediocrity” is that he managed to not get caught for 3.5 years in an alcoholic stupor while armed and at the wheel of a police car.", ">\n\nPeople in positions of power are never truly held accountable. It's the powerless that are and never allowed to redeem themselves. Fuck, he wasn't arrested, wasn't fired, received a work demotion, but promoted just a few years later. Aurora police didn't care about accountability then, and now they remind everyone the rules are just different for police.", ">\n\nTbf 3.5 years is plenty of time to clean up your act. Should he have gotten in more trouble for driving drunk? The rest of us sure would, but how much time after a DUI has to pass before redemption is on the table?", ">\n\nHe should have been fired and ineligible for rehire. A DUI will permanently bar you from any job I've ever heard of where you drive a car all day. And for a cop to be drunk on duty is wildly unacceptable. The dude was drunk as shit while carrying a gun. He absolutely should not be allowed to be a cop after that.\nAlso, why would he clean up his act? There were no consequences.", ">\n\nIt’s absurd that you even have to explain that for some people." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion.", ">\n\nLiterally passed out in a running car... \nImagine what a normal person would get for that.", ">\n\nWell in Indiana a “normal” person would get a c misdemeanor charge. The lowest level of misdemeanor if you are wondering. OWI is looked at softly whether you are a cop or not.", ">\n\nI know someone who parked their car off the road and went to sleep. Left keys in the igntion. Got OWI. But they were not in Indiana.", ">\n\nThere's a case in Wyoming where a guy knew he was too drunk to drive, knew the law about control of a vehicle while intoxicated, so he threw his keys over a high wooden fence, then went back to his car to sleep off the alcohol. The cops find him sleeping in his car, ask him where his keys are, scale the fence and then arrest him for dwi. Court ruled that because officers could scale the fence to get the keys, the guy was still in control of his vehicle and could therefore be charged with dwi.", ">\n\nBy that logic, anyone who hasn't destroyed their car keys before having a drink can get a dwi.", ">\n\nAgreed. Short of locking my keys in a bank vault with no combo/key, it could be argued I could get them at any other location/point as well by that logic. Just more \"justice\" being served I guess.", ">\n\nI mean really you could always borrow somebody’s car or steal a car, so maybe we should just walk into bars and arrest everybody who is already drunk if there happened to be any motor vehicles at all within walking distance of the establishment. \nIt’s a line drawing exercise. I think that most of us agree that getting into a motor vehicle while intoxicated and driving on a public highway is not something that should be tolerated. But we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \nI’m just curious whether people would back these policies for other kinds of crime. I mean I guess that we do talk about it with guns, suggesting criminalizing merely possessing a gun rather than waiting for a violent crime to happen. But that’s really hypothetical; we talk about gun control but for the most part it doesn’t happen.", ">\n\n\nBut we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \n\nHonestly, I think it's because a majority of people take more satisfaction in \"catching the bad guy\" then the possible consequences of getting the wrong person bothers them. People love that feeling, you can tell anytime some criminal gets caught. Regardless of what they did, it's still weird seeing people joke gleefully about prison rape and the consequences someone might suffer. I'm glad they're off the street, but I'm not celebrating more suffering.", ">\n\nYes, I think there is that. To go back a layer I think it comes down to the sociological “other.” We have a tendency to love dehumanizing people for all sorts of reasons, and it’s not really as simple as a good/bad binary where only bad people engage in prejudice and hatred. I think most people are quite happy to categorize others as “criminals” for any available reason and once you have put the other into a category like that the whole idea of criminal justice reform just seems kind of silly. Those aren’t people, they’re criminals. Something is wrong with you if you think that they need to be treated humanely or fairly.", ">\n\nI’ve not been caught drunk on a job for way longer than that, where’s my promotion ??", ">\n\nYa gotta be a cop to get promoted for mediocrity.", ">\n\nNot even mediocrity in this example just straight “I break the laws and nobody gives a shit”. I wonder how many people he’s taken to jail for driving under the influence since his little incident.", ">\n\nThe “mediocrity” is that he managed to not get caught for 3.5 years in an alcoholic stupor while armed and at the wheel of a police car.", ">\n\nPeople in positions of power are never truly held accountable. It's the powerless that are and never allowed to redeem themselves. Fuck, he wasn't arrested, wasn't fired, received a work demotion, but promoted just a few years later. Aurora police didn't care about accountability then, and now they remind everyone the rules are just different for police.", ">\n\nTbf 3.5 years is plenty of time to clean up your act. Should he have gotten in more trouble for driving drunk? The rest of us sure would, but how much time after a DUI has to pass before redemption is on the table?", ">\n\nHe should have been fired and ineligible for rehire. A DUI will permanently bar you from any job I've ever heard of where you drive a car all day. And for a cop to be drunk on duty is wildly unacceptable. The dude was drunk as shit while carrying a gun. He absolutely should not be allowed to be a cop after that.\nAlso, why would he clean up his act? There were no consequences.", ">\n\nIt’s absurd that you even have to explain that for some people.", ">\n\nSure, but when I do it I'm 'endangering the public'." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion.", ">\n\nLiterally passed out in a running car... \nImagine what a normal person would get for that.", ">\n\nWell in Indiana a “normal” person would get a c misdemeanor charge. The lowest level of misdemeanor if you are wondering. OWI is looked at softly whether you are a cop or not.", ">\n\nI know someone who parked their car off the road and went to sleep. Left keys in the igntion. Got OWI. But they were not in Indiana.", ">\n\nThere's a case in Wyoming where a guy knew he was too drunk to drive, knew the law about control of a vehicle while intoxicated, so he threw his keys over a high wooden fence, then went back to his car to sleep off the alcohol. The cops find him sleeping in his car, ask him where his keys are, scale the fence and then arrest him for dwi. Court ruled that because officers could scale the fence to get the keys, the guy was still in control of his vehicle and could therefore be charged with dwi.", ">\n\nBy that logic, anyone who hasn't destroyed their car keys before having a drink can get a dwi.", ">\n\nAgreed. Short of locking my keys in a bank vault with no combo/key, it could be argued I could get them at any other location/point as well by that logic. Just more \"justice\" being served I guess.", ">\n\nI mean really you could always borrow somebody’s car or steal a car, so maybe we should just walk into bars and arrest everybody who is already drunk if there happened to be any motor vehicles at all within walking distance of the establishment. \nIt’s a line drawing exercise. I think that most of us agree that getting into a motor vehicle while intoxicated and driving on a public highway is not something that should be tolerated. But we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \nI’m just curious whether people would back these policies for other kinds of crime. I mean I guess that we do talk about it with guns, suggesting criminalizing merely possessing a gun rather than waiting for a violent crime to happen. But that’s really hypothetical; we talk about gun control but for the most part it doesn’t happen.", ">\n\n\nBut we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \n\nHonestly, I think it's because a majority of people take more satisfaction in \"catching the bad guy\" then the possible consequences of getting the wrong person bothers them. People love that feeling, you can tell anytime some criminal gets caught. Regardless of what they did, it's still weird seeing people joke gleefully about prison rape and the consequences someone might suffer. I'm glad they're off the street, but I'm not celebrating more suffering.", ">\n\nYes, I think there is that. To go back a layer I think it comes down to the sociological “other.” We have a tendency to love dehumanizing people for all sorts of reasons, and it’s not really as simple as a good/bad binary where only bad people engage in prejudice and hatred. I think most people are quite happy to categorize others as “criminals” for any available reason and once you have put the other into a category like that the whole idea of criminal justice reform just seems kind of silly. Those aren’t people, they’re criminals. Something is wrong with you if you think that they need to be treated humanely or fairly.", ">\n\nI’ve not been caught drunk on a job for way longer than that, where’s my promotion ??", ">\n\nYa gotta be a cop to get promoted for mediocrity.", ">\n\nNot even mediocrity in this example just straight “I break the laws and nobody gives a shit”. I wonder how many people he’s taken to jail for driving under the influence since his little incident.", ">\n\nThe “mediocrity” is that he managed to not get caught for 3.5 years in an alcoholic stupor while armed and at the wheel of a police car.", ">\n\nPeople in positions of power are never truly held accountable. It's the powerless that are and never allowed to redeem themselves. Fuck, he wasn't arrested, wasn't fired, received a work demotion, but promoted just a few years later. Aurora police didn't care about accountability then, and now they remind everyone the rules are just different for police.", ">\n\nTbf 3.5 years is plenty of time to clean up your act. Should he have gotten in more trouble for driving drunk? The rest of us sure would, but how much time after a DUI has to pass before redemption is on the table?", ">\n\nHe should have been fired and ineligible for rehire. A DUI will permanently bar you from any job I've ever heard of where you drive a car all day. And for a cop to be drunk on duty is wildly unacceptable. The dude was drunk as shit while carrying a gun. He absolutely should not be allowed to be a cop after that.\nAlso, why would he clean up his act? There were no consequences.", ">\n\nIt’s absurd that you even have to explain that for some people.", ">\n\nSure, but when I do it I'm 'endangering the public'.", ">\n\nIf a member of the general public did this (5 times the legal limit, armed, and in a running car) they would still be dealing with the legal fallout, damage to their career and personal life 3 years later." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion.", ">\n\nLiterally passed out in a running car... \nImagine what a normal person would get for that.", ">\n\nWell in Indiana a “normal” person would get a c misdemeanor charge. The lowest level of misdemeanor if you are wondering. OWI is looked at softly whether you are a cop or not.", ">\n\nI know someone who parked their car off the road and went to sleep. Left keys in the igntion. Got OWI. But they were not in Indiana.", ">\n\nThere's a case in Wyoming where a guy knew he was too drunk to drive, knew the law about control of a vehicle while intoxicated, so he threw his keys over a high wooden fence, then went back to his car to sleep off the alcohol. The cops find him sleeping in his car, ask him where his keys are, scale the fence and then arrest him for dwi. Court ruled that because officers could scale the fence to get the keys, the guy was still in control of his vehicle and could therefore be charged with dwi.", ">\n\nBy that logic, anyone who hasn't destroyed their car keys before having a drink can get a dwi.", ">\n\nAgreed. Short of locking my keys in a bank vault with no combo/key, it could be argued I could get them at any other location/point as well by that logic. Just more \"justice\" being served I guess.", ">\n\nI mean really you could always borrow somebody’s car or steal a car, so maybe we should just walk into bars and arrest everybody who is already drunk if there happened to be any motor vehicles at all within walking distance of the establishment. \nIt’s a line drawing exercise. I think that most of us agree that getting into a motor vehicle while intoxicated and driving on a public highway is not something that should be tolerated. But we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \nI’m just curious whether people would back these policies for other kinds of crime. I mean I guess that we do talk about it with guns, suggesting criminalizing merely possessing a gun rather than waiting for a violent crime to happen. But that’s really hypothetical; we talk about gun control but for the most part it doesn’t happen.", ">\n\n\nBut we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \n\nHonestly, I think it's because a majority of people take more satisfaction in \"catching the bad guy\" then the possible consequences of getting the wrong person bothers them. People love that feeling, you can tell anytime some criminal gets caught. Regardless of what they did, it's still weird seeing people joke gleefully about prison rape and the consequences someone might suffer. I'm glad they're off the street, but I'm not celebrating more suffering.", ">\n\nYes, I think there is that. To go back a layer I think it comes down to the sociological “other.” We have a tendency to love dehumanizing people for all sorts of reasons, and it’s not really as simple as a good/bad binary where only bad people engage in prejudice and hatred. I think most people are quite happy to categorize others as “criminals” for any available reason and once you have put the other into a category like that the whole idea of criminal justice reform just seems kind of silly. Those aren’t people, they’re criminals. Something is wrong with you if you think that they need to be treated humanely or fairly.", ">\n\nI’ve not been caught drunk on a job for way longer than that, where’s my promotion ??", ">\n\nYa gotta be a cop to get promoted for mediocrity.", ">\n\nNot even mediocrity in this example just straight “I break the laws and nobody gives a shit”. I wonder how many people he’s taken to jail for driving under the influence since his little incident.", ">\n\nThe “mediocrity” is that he managed to not get caught for 3.5 years in an alcoholic stupor while armed and at the wheel of a police car.", ">\n\nPeople in positions of power are never truly held accountable. It's the powerless that are and never allowed to redeem themselves. Fuck, he wasn't arrested, wasn't fired, received a work demotion, but promoted just a few years later. Aurora police didn't care about accountability then, and now they remind everyone the rules are just different for police.", ">\n\nTbf 3.5 years is plenty of time to clean up your act. Should he have gotten in more trouble for driving drunk? The rest of us sure would, but how much time after a DUI has to pass before redemption is on the table?", ">\n\nHe should have been fired and ineligible for rehire. A DUI will permanently bar you from any job I've ever heard of where you drive a car all day. And for a cop to be drunk on duty is wildly unacceptable. The dude was drunk as shit while carrying a gun. He absolutely should not be allowed to be a cop after that.\nAlso, why would he clean up his act? There were no consequences.", ">\n\nIt’s absurd that you even have to explain that for some people.", ">\n\nSure, but when I do it I'm 'endangering the public'.", ">\n\nIf a member of the general public did this (5 times the legal limit, armed, and in a running car) they would still be dealing with the legal fallout, damage to their career and personal life 3 years later.", ">\n\nIt was a normal everyday person, That person would have been convicted of a DUI and arrested on the spot.\nThe cops don't need to abide by the law they enforce. This is why there is (rightly) the defund the police movement." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion.", ">\n\nLiterally passed out in a running car... \nImagine what a normal person would get for that.", ">\n\nWell in Indiana a “normal” person would get a c misdemeanor charge. The lowest level of misdemeanor if you are wondering. OWI is looked at softly whether you are a cop or not.", ">\n\nI know someone who parked their car off the road and went to sleep. Left keys in the igntion. Got OWI. But they were not in Indiana.", ">\n\nThere's a case in Wyoming where a guy knew he was too drunk to drive, knew the law about control of a vehicle while intoxicated, so he threw his keys over a high wooden fence, then went back to his car to sleep off the alcohol. The cops find him sleeping in his car, ask him where his keys are, scale the fence and then arrest him for dwi. Court ruled that because officers could scale the fence to get the keys, the guy was still in control of his vehicle and could therefore be charged with dwi.", ">\n\nBy that logic, anyone who hasn't destroyed their car keys before having a drink can get a dwi.", ">\n\nAgreed. Short of locking my keys in a bank vault with no combo/key, it could be argued I could get them at any other location/point as well by that logic. Just more \"justice\" being served I guess.", ">\n\nI mean really you could always borrow somebody’s car or steal a car, so maybe we should just walk into bars and arrest everybody who is already drunk if there happened to be any motor vehicles at all within walking distance of the establishment. \nIt’s a line drawing exercise. I think that most of us agree that getting into a motor vehicle while intoxicated and driving on a public highway is not something that should be tolerated. But we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \nI’m just curious whether people would back these policies for other kinds of crime. I mean I guess that we do talk about it with guns, suggesting criminalizing merely possessing a gun rather than waiting for a violent crime to happen. But that’s really hypothetical; we talk about gun control but for the most part it doesn’t happen.", ">\n\n\nBut we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \n\nHonestly, I think it's because a majority of people take more satisfaction in \"catching the bad guy\" then the possible consequences of getting the wrong person bothers them. People love that feeling, you can tell anytime some criminal gets caught. Regardless of what they did, it's still weird seeing people joke gleefully about prison rape and the consequences someone might suffer. I'm glad they're off the street, but I'm not celebrating more suffering.", ">\n\nYes, I think there is that. To go back a layer I think it comes down to the sociological “other.” We have a tendency to love dehumanizing people for all sorts of reasons, and it’s not really as simple as a good/bad binary where only bad people engage in prejudice and hatred. I think most people are quite happy to categorize others as “criminals” for any available reason and once you have put the other into a category like that the whole idea of criminal justice reform just seems kind of silly. Those aren’t people, they’re criminals. Something is wrong with you if you think that they need to be treated humanely or fairly.", ">\n\nI’ve not been caught drunk on a job for way longer than that, where’s my promotion ??", ">\n\nYa gotta be a cop to get promoted for mediocrity.", ">\n\nNot even mediocrity in this example just straight “I break the laws and nobody gives a shit”. I wonder how many people he’s taken to jail for driving under the influence since his little incident.", ">\n\nThe “mediocrity” is that he managed to not get caught for 3.5 years in an alcoholic stupor while armed and at the wheel of a police car.", ">\n\nPeople in positions of power are never truly held accountable. It's the powerless that are and never allowed to redeem themselves. Fuck, he wasn't arrested, wasn't fired, received a work demotion, but promoted just a few years later. Aurora police didn't care about accountability then, and now they remind everyone the rules are just different for police.", ">\n\nTbf 3.5 years is plenty of time to clean up your act. Should he have gotten in more trouble for driving drunk? The rest of us sure would, but how much time after a DUI has to pass before redemption is on the table?", ">\n\nHe should have been fired and ineligible for rehire. A DUI will permanently bar you from any job I've ever heard of where you drive a car all day. And for a cop to be drunk on duty is wildly unacceptable. The dude was drunk as shit while carrying a gun. He absolutely should not be allowed to be a cop after that.\nAlso, why would he clean up his act? There were no consequences.", ">\n\nIt’s absurd that you even have to explain that for some people.", ">\n\nSure, but when I do it I'm 'endangering the public'.", ">\n\nIf a member of the general public did this (5 times the legal limit, armed, and in a running car) they would still be dealing with the legal fallout, damage to their career and personal life 3 years later.", ">\n\nIt was a normal everyday person, That person would have been convicted of a DUI and arrested on the spot.\nThe cops don't need to abide by the law they enforce. This is why there is (rightly) the defund the police movement.", ">\n\nIMO - If the people in Aurora would stand up, this wouldn't be an issue. The people of Aurora leave this is acceptable behavior and support it. If they didn't supported There would be protests. The cops are doing it because they can get away with it." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion.", ">\n\nLiterally passed out in a running car... \nImagine what a normal person would get for that.", ">\n\nWell in Indiana a “normal” person would get a c misdemeanor charge. The lowest level of misdemeanor if you are wondering. OWI is looked at softly whether you are a cop or not.", ">\n\nI know someone who parked their car off the road and went to sleep. Left keys in the igntion. Got OWI. But they were not in Indiana.", ">\n\nThere's a case in Wyoming where a guy knew he was too drunk to drive, knew the law about control of a vehicle while intoxicated, so he threw his keys over a high wooden fence, then went back to his car to sleep off the alcohol. The cops find him sleeping in his car, ask him where his keys are, scale the fence and then arrest him for dwi. Court ruled that because officers could scale the fence to get the keys, the guy was still in control of his vehicle and could therefore be charged with dwi.", ">\n\nBy that logic, anyone who hasn't destroyed their car keys before having a drink can get a dwi.", ">\n\nAgreed. Short of locking my keys in a bank vault with no combo/key, it could be argued I could get them at any other location/point as well by that logic. Just more \"justice\" being served I guess.", ">\n\nI mean really you could always borrow somebody’s car or steal a car, so maybe we should just walk into bars and arrest everybody who is already drunk if there happened to be any motor vehicles at all within walking distance of the establishment. \nIt’s a line drawing exercise. I think that most of us agree that getting into a motor vehicle while intoxicated and driving on a public highway is not something that should be tolerated. But we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \nI’m just curious whether people would back these policies for other kinds of crime. I mean I guess that we do talk about it with guns, suggesting criminalizing merely possessing a gun rather than waiting for a violent crime to happen. But that’s really hypothetical; we talk about gun control but for the most part it doesn’t happen.", ">\n\n\nBut we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \n\nHonestly, I think it's because a majority of people take more satisfaction in \"catching the bad guy\" then the possible consequences of getting the wrong person bothers them. People love that feeling, you can tell anytime some criminal gets caught. Regardless of what they did, it's still weird seeing people joke gleefully about prison rape and the consequences someone might suffer. I'm glad they're off the street, but I'm not celebrating more suffering.", ">\n\nYes, I think there is that. To go back a layer I think it comes down to the sociological “other.” We have a tendency to love dehumanizing people for all sorts of reasons, and it’s not really as simple as a good/bad binary where only bad people engage in prejudice and hatred. I think most people are quite happy to categorize others as “criminals” for any available reason and once you have put the other into a category like that the whole idea of criminal justice reform just seems kind of silly. Those aren’t people, they’re criminals. Something is wrong with you if you think that they need to be treated humanely or fairly.", ">\n\nI’ve not been caught drunk on a job for way longer than that, where’s my promotion ??", ">\n\nYa gotta be a cop to get promoted for mediocrity.", ">\n\nNot even mediocrity in this example just straight “I break the laws and nobody gives a shit”. I wonder how many people he’s taken to jail for driving under the influence since his little incident.", ">\n\nThe “mediocrity” is that he managed to not get caught for 3.5 years in an alcoholic stupor while armed and at the wheel of a police car.", ">\n\nPeople in positions of power are never truly held accountable. It's the powerless that are and never allowed to redeem themselves. Fuck, he wasn't arrested, wasn't fired, received a work demotion, but promoted just a few years later. Aurora police didn't care about accountability then, and now they remind everyone the rules are just different for police.", ">\n\nTbf 3.5 years is plenty of time to clean up your act. Should he have gotten in more trouble for driving drunk? The rest of us sure would, but how much time after a DUI has to pass before redemption is on the table?", ">\n\nHe should have been fired and ineligible for rehire. A DUI will permanently bar you from any job I've ever heard of where you drive a car all day. And for a cop to be drunk on duty is wildly unacceptable. The dude was drunk as shit while carrying a gun. He absolutely should not be allowed to be a cop after that.\nAlso, why would he clean up his act? There were no consequences.", ">\n\nIt’s absurd that you even have to explain that for some people.", ">\n\nSure, but when I do it I'm 'endangering the public'.", ">\n\nIf a member of the general public did this (5 times the legal limit, armed, and in a running car) they would still be dealing with the legal fallout, damage to their career and personal life 3 years later.", ">\n\nIt was a normal everyday person, That person would have been convicted of a DUI and arrested on the spot.\nThe cops don't need to abide by the law they enforce. This is why there is (rightly) the defund the police movement.", ">\n\nIMO - If the people in Aurora would stand up, this wouldn't be an issue. The people of Aurora leave this is acceptable behavior and support it. If they didn't supported There would be protests. The cops are doing it because they can get away with it.", ">\n\nFor real, after the Elijah McCain murder the city should have turned out in force, but here we are letting these thugs lord over the community and get away with blatant abuses of the law. Stop coddling bad actors." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion.", ">\n\nLiterally passed out in a running car... \nImagine what a normal person would get for that.", ">\n\nWell in Indiana a “normal” person would get a c misdemeanor charge. The lowest level of misdemeanor if you are wondering. OWI is looked at softly whether you are a cop or not.", ">\n\nI know someone who parked their car off the road and went to sleep. Left keys in the igntion. Got OWI. But they were not in Indiana.", ">\n\nThere's a case in Wyoming where a guy knew he was too drunk to drive, knew the law about control of a vehicle while intoxicated, so he threw his keys over a high wooden fence, then went back to his car to sleep off the alcohol. The cops find him sleeping in his car, ask him where his keys are, scale the fence and then arrest him for dwi. Court ruled that because officers could scale the fence to get the keys, the guy was still in control of his vehicle and could therefore be charged with dwi.", ">\n\nBy that logic, anyone who hasn't destroyed their car keys before having a drink can get a dwi.", ">\n\nAgreed. Short of locking my keys in a bank vault with no combo/key, it could be argued I could get them at any other location/point as well by that logic. Just more \"justice\" being served I guess.", ">\n\nI mean really you could always borrow somebody’s car or steal a car, so maybe we should just walk into bars and arrest everybody who is already drunk if there happened to be any motor vehicles at all within walking distance of the establishment. \nIt’s a line drawing exercise. I think that most of us agree that getting into a motor vehicle while intoxicated and driving on a public highway is not something that should be tolerated. But we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \nI’m just curious whether people would back these policies for other kinds of crime. I mean I guess that we do talk about it with guns, suggesting criminalizing merely possessing a gun rather than waiting for a violent crime to happen. But that’s really hypothetical; we talk about gun control but for the most part it doesn’t happen.", ">\n\n\nBut we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \n\nHonestly, I think it's because a majority of people take more satisfaction in \"catching the bad guy\" then the possible consequences of getting the wrong person bothers them. People love that feeling, you can tell anytime some criminal gets caught. Regardless of what they did, it's still weird seeing people joke gleefully about prison rape and the consequences someone might suffer. I'm glad they're off the street, but I'm not celebrating more suffering.", ">\n\nYes, I think there is that. To go back a layer I think it comes down to the sociological “other.” We have a tendency to love dehumanizing people for all sorts of reasons, and it’s not really as simple as a good/bad binary where only bad people engage in prejudice and hatred. I think most people are quite happy to categorize others as “criminals” for any available reason and once you have put the other into a category like that the whole idea of criminal justice reform just seems kind of silly. Those aren’t people, they’re criminals. Something is wrong with you if you think that they need to be treated humanely or fairly.", ">\n\nI’ve not been caught drunk on a job for way longer than that, where’s my promotion ??", ">\n\nYa gotta be a cop to get promoted for mediocrity.", ">\n\nNot even mediocrity in this example just straight “I break the laws and nobody gives a shit”. I wonder how many people he’s taken to jail for driving under the influence since his little incident.", ">\n\nThe “mediocrity” is that he managed to not get caught for 3.5 years in an alcoholic stupor while armed and at the wheel of a police car.", ">\n\nPeople in positions of power are never truly held accountable. It's the powerless that are and never allowed to redeem themselves. Fuck, he wasn't arrested, wasn't fired, received a work demotion, but promoted just a few years later. Aurora police didn't care about accountability then, and now they remind everyone the rules are just different for police.", ">\n\nTbf 3.5 years is plenty of time to clean up your act. Should he have gotten in more trouble for driving drunk? The rest of us sure would, but how much time after a DUI has to pass before redemption is on the table?", ">\n\nHe should have been fired and ineligible for rehire. A DUI will permanently bar you from any job I've ever heard of where you drive a car all day. And for a cop to be drunk on duty is wildly unacceptable. The dude was drunk as shit while carrying a gun. He absolutely should not be allowed to be a cop after that.\nAlso, why would he clean up his act? There were no consequences.", ">\n\nIt’s absurd that you even have to explain that for some people.", ">\n\nSure, but when I do it I'm 'endangering the public'.", ">\n\nIf a member of the general public did this (5 times the legal limit, armed, and in a running car) they would still be dealing with the legal fallout, damage to their career and personal life 3 years later.", ">\n\nIt was a normal everyday person, That person would have been convicted of a DUI and arrested on the spot.\nThe cops don't need to abide by the law they enforce. This is why there is (rightly) the defund the police movement.", ">\n\nIMO - If the people in Aurora would stand up, this wouldn't be an issue. The people of Aurora leave this is acceptable behavior and support it. If they didn't supported There would be protests. The cops are doing it because they can get away with it.", ">\n\nFor real, after the Elijah McCain murder the city should have turned out in force, but here we are letting these thugs lord over the community and get away with blatant abuses of the law. Stop coddling bad actors.", ">\n\nYes, I agree with you. If people are upset, stop complaining and take action.\nIn most cases, the police force is one agency that reports to the director of public safety. Usually, the director of public safety is appointed by the mayor. If that's the case in this instance, march on the mayor's office. Propose a recall. Do not vote for the mayor. I guarantee if the mayor's job is in jeopardy then actions will happen." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion.", ">\n\nLiterally passed out in a running car... \nImagine what a normal person would get for that.", ">\n\nWell in Indiana a “normal” person would get a c misdemeanor charge. The lowest level of misdemeanor if you are wondering. OWI is looked at softly whether you are a cop or not.", ">\n\nI know someone who parked their car off the road and went to sleep. Left keys in the igntion. Got OWI. But they were not in Indiana.", ">\n\nThere's a case in Wyoming where a guy knew he was too drunk to drive, knew the law about control of a vehicle while intoxicated, so he threw his keys over a high wooden fence, then went back to his car to sleep off the alcohol. The cops find him sleeping in his car, ask him where his keys are, scale the fence and then arrest him for dwi. Court ruled that because officers could scale the fence to get the keys, the guy was still in control of his vehicle and could therefore be charged with dwi.", ">\n\nBy that logic, anyone who hasn't destroyed their car keys before having a drink can get a dwi.", ">\n\nAgreed. Short of locking my keys in a bank vault with no combo/key, it could be argued I could get them at any other location/point as well by that logic. Just more \"justice\" being served I guess.", ">\n\nI mean really you could always borrow somebody’s car or steal a car, so maybe we should just walk into bars and arrest everybody who is already drunk if there happened to be any motor vehicles at all within walking distance of the establishment. \nIt’s a line drawing exercise. I think that most of us agree that getting into a motor vehicle while intoxicated and driving on a public highway is not something that should be tolerated. But we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \nI’m just curious whether people would back these policies for other kinds of crime. I mean I guess that we do talk about it with guns, suggesting criminalizing merely possessing a gun rather than waiting for a violent crime to happen. But that’s really hypothetical; we talk about gun control but for the most part it doesn’t happen.", ">\n\n\nBut we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \n\nHonestly, I think it's because a majority of people take more satisfaction in \"catching the bad guy\" then the possible consequences of getting the wrong person bothers them. People love that feeling, you can tell anytime some criminal gets caught. Regardless of what they did, it's still weird seeing people joke gleefully about prison rape and the consequences someone might suffer. I'm glad they're off the street, but I'm not celebrating more suffering.", ">\n\nYes, I think there is that. To go back a layer I think it comes down to the sociological “other.” We have a tendency to love dehumanizing people for all sorts of reasons, and it’s not really as simple as a good/bad binary where only bad people engage in prejudice and hatred. I think most people are quite happy to categorize others as “criminals” for any available reason and once you have put the other into a category like that the whole idea of criminal justice reform just seems kind of silly. Those aren’t people, they’re criminals. Something is wrong with you if you think that they need to be treated humanely or fairly.", ">\n\nI’ve not been caught drunk on a job for way longer than that, where’s my promotion ??", ">\n\nYa gotta be a cop to get promoted for mediocrity.", ">\n\nNot even mediocrity in this example just straight “I break the laws and nobody gives a shit”. I wonder how many people he’s taken to jail for driving under the influence since his little incident.", ">\n\nThe “mediocrity” is that he managed to not get caught for 3.5 years in an alcoholic stupor while armed and at the wheel of a police car.", ">\n\nPeople in positions of power are never truly held accountable. It's the powerless that are and never allowed to redeem themselves. Fuck, he wasn't arrested, wasn't fired, received a work demotion, but promoted just a few years later. Aurora police didn't care about accountability then, and now they remind everyone the rules are just different for police.", ">\n\nTbf 3.5 years is plenty of time to clean up your act. Should he have gotten in more trouble for driving drunk? The rest of us sure would, but how much time after a DUI has to pass before redemption is on the table?", ">\n\nHe should have been fired and ineligible for rehire. A DUI will permanently bar you from any job I've ever heard of where you drive a car all day. And for a cop to be drunk on duty is wildly unacceptable. The dude was drunk as shit while carrying a gun. He absolutely should not be allowed to be a cop after that.\nAlso, why would he clean up his act? There were no consequences.", ">\n\nIt’s absurd that you even have to explain that for some people.", ">\n\nSure, but when I do it I'm 'endangering the public'.", ">\n\nIf a member of the general public did this (5 times the legal limit, armed, and in a running car) they would still be dealing with the legal fallout, damage to their career and personal life 3 years later.", ">\n\nIt was a normal everyday person, That person would have been convicted of a DUI and arrested on the spot.\nThe cops don't need to abide by the law they enforce. This is why there is (rightly) the defund the police movement.", ">\n\nIMO - If the people in Aurora would stand up, this wouldn't be an issue. The people of Aurora leave this is acceptable behavior and support it. If they didn't supported There would be protests. The cops are doing it because they can get away with it.", ">\n\nFor real, after the Elijah McCain murder the city should have turned out in force, but here we are letting these thugs lord over the community and get away with blatant abuses of the law. Stop coddling bad actors.", ">\n\nYes, I agree with you. If people are upset, stop complaining and take action.\nIn most cases, the police force is one agency that reports to the director of public safety. Usually, the director of public safety is appointed by the mayor. If that's the case in this instance, march on the mayor's office. Propose a recall. Do not vote for the mayor. I guarantee if the mayor's job is in jeopardy then actions will happen.", ">\n\n“Aurora’s Mediocorerst”" ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion.", ">\n\nLiterally passed out in a running car... \nImagine what a normal person would get for that.", ">\n\nWell in Indiana a “normal” person would get a c misdemeanor charge. The lowest level of misdemeanor if you are wondering. OWI is looked at softly whether you are a cop or not.", ">\n\nI know someone who parked their car off the road and went to sleep. Left keys in the igntion. Got OWI. But they were not in Indiana.", ">\n\nThere's a case in Wyoming where a guy knew he was too drunk to drive, knew the law about control of a vehicle while intoxicated, so he threw his keys over a high wooden fence, then went back to his car to sleep off the alcohol. The cops find him sleeping in his car, ask him where his keys are, scale the fence and then arrest him for dwi. Court ruled that because officers could scale the fence to get the keys, the guy was still in control of his vehicle and could therefore be charged with dwi.", ">\n\nBy that logic, anyone who hasn't destroyed their car keys before having a drink can get a dwi.", ">\n\nAgreed. Short of locking my keys in a bank vault with no combo/key, it could be argued I could get them at any other location/point as well by that logic. Just more \"justice\" being served I guess.", ">\n\nI mean really you could always borrow somebody’s car or steal a car, so maybe we should just walk into bars and arrest everybody who is already drunk if there happened to be any motor vehicles at all within walking distance of the establishment. \nIt’s a line drawing exercise. I think that most of us agree that getting into a motor vehicle while intoxicated and driving on a public highway is not something that should be tolerated. But we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \nI’m just curious whether people would back these policies for other kinds of crime. I mean I guess that we do talk about it with guns, suggesting criminalizing merely possessing a gun rather than waiting for a violent crime to happen. But that’s really hypothetical; we talk about gun control but for the most part it doesn’t happen.", ">\n\n\nBut we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \n\nHonestly, I think it's because a majority of people take more satisfaction in \"catching the bad guy\" then the possible consequences of getting the wrong person bothers them. People love that feeling, you can tell anytime some criminal gets caught. Regardless of what they did, it's still weird seeing people joke gleefully about prison rape and the consequences someone might suffer. I'm glad they're off the street, but I'm not celebrating more suffering.", ">\n\nYes, I think there is that. To go back a layer I think it comes down to the sociological “other.” We have a tendency to love dehumanizing people for all sorts of reasons, and it’s not really as simple as a good/bad binary where only bad people engage in prejudice and hatred. I think most people are quite happy to categorize others as “criminals” for any available reason and once you have put the other into a category like that the whole idea of criminal justice reform just seems kind of silly. Those aren’t people, they’re criminals. Something is wrong with you if you think that they need to be treated humanely or fairly.", ">\n\nI’ve not been caught drunk on a job for way longer than that, where’s my promotion ??", ">\n\nYa gotta be a cop to get promoted for mediocrity.", ">\n\nNot even mediocrity in this example just straight “I break the laws and nobody gives a shit”. I wonder how many people he’s taken to jail for driving under the influence since his little incident.", ">\n\nThe “mediocrity” is that he managed to not get caught for 3.5 years in an alcoholic stupor while armed and at the wheel of a police car.", ">\n\nPeople in positions of power are never truly held accountable. It's the powerless that are and never allowed to redeem themselves. Fuck, he wasn't arrested, wasn't fired, received a work demotion, but promoted just a few years later. Aurora police didn't care about accountability then, and now they remind everyone the rules are just different for police.", ">\n\nTbf 3.5 years is plenty of time to clean up your act. Should he have gotten in more trouble for driving drunk? The rest of us sure would, but how much time after a DUI has to pass before redemption is on the table?", ">\n\nHe should have been fired and ineligible for rehire. A DUI will permanently bar you from any job I've ever heard of where you drive a car all day. And for a cop to be drunk on duty is wildly unacceptable. The dude was drunk as shit while carrying a gun. He absolutely should not be allowed to be a cop after that.\nAlso, why would he clean up his act? There were no consequences.", ">\n\nIt’s absurd that you even have to explain that for some people.", ">\n\nSure, but when I do it I'm 'endangering the public'.", ">\n\nIf a member of the general public did this (5 times the legal limit, armed, and in a running car) they would still be dealing with the legal fallout, damage to their career and personal life 3 years later.", ">\n\nIt was a normal everyday person, That person would have been convicted of a DUI and arrested on the spot.\nThe cops don't need to abide by the law they enforce. This is why there is (rightly) the defund the police movement.", ">\n\nIMO - If the people in Aurora would stand up, this wouldn't be an issue. The people of Aurora leave this is acceptable behavior and support it. If they didn't supported There would be protests. The cops are doing it because they can get away with it.", ">\n\nFor real, after the Elijah McCain murder the city should have turned out in force, but here we are letting these thugs lord over the community and get away with blatant abuses of the law. Stop coddling bad actors.", ">\n\nYes, I agree with you. If people are upset, stop complaining and take action.\nIn most cases, the police force is one agency that reports to the director of public safety. Usually, the director of public safety is appointed by the mayor. If that's the case in this instance, march on the mayor's office. Propose a recall. Do not vote for the mayor. I guarantee if the mayor's job is in jeopardy then actions will happen.", ">\n\n“Aurora’s Mediocorerst”", ">\n\nMediocre is a big compliment to these shitty cops." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion.", ">\n\nLiterally passed out in a running car... \nImagine what a normal person would get for that.", ">\n\nWell in Indiana a “normal” person would get a c misdemeanor charge. The lowest level of misdemeanor if you are wondering. OWI is looked at softly whether you are a cop or not.", ">\n\nI know someone who parked their car off the road and went to sleep. Left keys in the igntion. Got OWI. But they were not in Indiana.", ">\n\nThere's a case in Wyoming where a guy knew he was too drunk to drive, knew the law about control of a vehicle while intoxicated, so he threw his keys over a high wooden fence, then went back to his car to sleep off the alcohol. The cops find him sleeping in his car, ask him where his keys are, scale the fence and then arrest him for dwi. Court ruled that because officers could scale the fence to get the keys, the guy was still in control of his vehicle and could therefore be charged with dwi.", ">\n\nBy that logic, anyone who hasn't destroyed their car keys before having a drink can get a dwi.", ">\n\nAgreed. Short of locking my keys in a bank vault with no combo/key, it could be argued I could get them at any other location/point as well by that logic. Just more \"justice\" being served I guess.", ">\n\nI mean really you could always borrow somebody’s car or steal a car, so maybe we should just walk into bars and arrest everybody who is already drunk if there happened to be any motor vehicles at all within walking distance of the establishment. \nIt’s a line drawing exercise. I think that most of us agree that getting into a motor vehicle while intoxicated and driving on a public highway is not something that should be tolerated. But we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \nI’m just curious whether people would back these policies for other kinds of crime. I mean I guess that we do talk about it with guns, suggesting criminalizing merely possessing a gun rather than waiting for a violent crime to happen. But that’s really hypothetical; we talk about gun control but for the most part it doesn’t happen.", ">\n\n\nBut we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \n\nHonestly, I think it's because a majority of people take more satisfaction in \"catching the bad guy\" then the possible consequences of getting the wrong person bothers them. People love that feeling, you can tell anytime some criminal gets caught. Regardless of what they did, it's still weird seeing people joke gleefully about prison rape and the consequences someone might suffer. I'm glad they're off the street, but I'm not celebrating more suffering.", ">\n\nYes, I think there is that. To go back a layer I think it comes down to the sociological “other.” We have a tendency to love dehumanizing people for all sorts of reasons, and it’s not really as simple as a good/bad binary where only bad people engage in prejudice and hatred. I think most people are quite happy to categorize others as “criminals” for any available reason and once you have put the other into a category like that the whole idea of criminal justice reform just seems kind of silly. Those aren’t people, they’re criminals. Something is wrong with you if you think that they need to be treated humanely or fairly.", ">\n\nI’ve not been caught drunk on a job for way longer than that, where’s my promotion ??", ">\n\nYa gotta be a cop to get promoted for mediocrity.", ">\n\nNot even mediocrity in this example just straight “I break the laws and nobody gives a shit”. I wonder how many people he’s taken to jail for driving under the influence since his little incident.", ">\n\nThe “mediocrity” is that he managed to not get caught for 3.5 years in an alcoholic stupor while armed and at the wheel of a police car.", ">\n\nPeople in positions of power are never truly held accountable. It's the powerless that are and never allowed to redeem themselves. Fuck, he wasn't arrested, wasn't fired, received a work demotion, but promoted just a few years later. Aurora police didn't care about accountability then, and now they remind everyone the rules are just different for police.", ">\n\nTbf 3.5 years is plenty of time to clean up your act. Should he have gotten in more trouble for driving drunk? The rest of us sure would, but how much time after a DUI has to pass before redemption is on the table?", ">\n\nHe should have been fired and ineligible for rehire. A DUI will permanently bar you from any job I've ever heard of where you drive a car all day. And for a cop to be drunk on duty is wildly unacceptable. The dude was drunk as shit while carrying a gun. He absolutely should not be allowed to be a cop after that.\nAlso, why would he clean up his act? There were no consequences.", ">\n\nIt’s absurd that you even have to explain that for some people.", ">\n\nSure, but when I do it I'm 'endangering the public'.", ">\n\nIf a member of the general public did this (5 times the legal limit, armed, and in a running car) they would still be dealing with the legal fallout, damage to their career and personal life 3 years later.", ">\n\nIt was a normal everyday person, That person would have been convicted of a DUI and arrested on the spot.\nThe cops don't need to abide by the law they enforce. This is why there is (rightly) the defund the police movement.", ">\n\nIMO - If the people in Aurora would stand up, this wouldn't be an issue. The people of Aurora leave this is acceptable behavior and support it. If they didn't supported There would be protests. The cops are doing it because they can get away with it.", ">\n\nFor real, after the Elijah McCain murder the city should have turned out in force, but here we are letting these thugs lord over the community and get away with blatant abuses of the law. Stop coddling bad actors.", ">\n\nYes, I agree with you. If people are upset, stop complaining and take action.\nIn most cases, the police force is one agency that reports to the director of public safety. Usually, the director of public safety is appointed by the mayor. If that's the case in this instance, march on the mayor's office. Propose a recall. Do not vote for the mayor. I guarantee if the mayor's job is in jeopardy then actions will happen.", ">\n\n“Aurora’s Mediocorerst”", ">\n\nMediocre is a big compliment to these shitty cops.", ">\n\nA friend of mine was caught drunk behind the wheel of her parked personal vehicle and was promoted at work too! Just kidding, she was arrested and lives with a DWI on her record making her life a living hell for the last decade. But good for this guy.." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion.", ">\n\nLiterally passed out in a running car... \nImagine what a normal person would get for that.", ">\n\nWell in Indiana a “normal” person would get a c misdemeanor charge. The lowest level of misdemeanor if you are wondering. OWI is looked at softly whether you are a cop or not.", ">\n\nI know someone who parked their car off the road and went to sleep. Left keys in the igntion. Got OWI. But they were not in Indiana.", ">\n\nThere's a case in Wyoming where a guy knew he was too drunk to drive, knew the law about control of a vehicle while intoxicated, so he threw his keys over a high wooden fence, then went back to his car to sleep off the alcohol. The cops find him sleeping in his car, ask him where his keys are, scale the fence and then arrest him for dwi. Court ruled that because officers could scale the fence to get the keys, the guy was still in control of his vehicle and could therefore be charged with dwi.", ">\n\nBy that logic, anyone who hasn't destroyed their car keys before having a drink can get a dwi.", ">\n\nAgreed. Short of locking my keys in a bank vault with no combo/key, it could be argued I could get them at any other location/point as well by that logic. Just more \"justice\" being served I guess.", ">\n\nI mean really you could always borrow somebody’s car or steal a car, so maybe we should just walk into bars and arrest everybody who is already drunk if there happened to be any motor vehicles at all within walking distance of the establishment. \nIt’s a line drawing exercise. I think that most of us agree that getting into a motor vehicle while intoxicated and driving on a public highway is not something that should be tolerated. But we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \nI’m just curious whether people would back these policies for other kinds of crime. I mean I guess that we do talk about it with guns, suggesting criminalizing merely possessing a gun rather than waiting for a violent crime to happen. But that’s really hypothetical; we talk about gun control but for the most part it doesn’t happen.", ">\n\n\nBut we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \n\nHonestly, I think it's because a majority of people take more satisfaction in \"catching the bad guy\" then the possible consequences of getting the wrong person bothers them. People love that feeling, you can tell anytime some criminal gets caught. Regardless of what they did, it's still weird seeing people joke gleefully about prison rape and the consequences someone might suffer. I'm glad they're off the street, but I'm not celebrating more suffering.", ">\n\nYes, I think there is that. To go back a layer I think it comes down to the sociological “other.” We have a tendency to love dehumanizing people for all sorts of reasons, and it’s not really as simple as a good/bad binary where only bad people engage in prejudice and hatred. I think most people are quite happy to categorize others as “criminals” for any available reason and once you have put the other into a category like that the whole idea of criminal justice reform just seems kind of silly. Those aren’t people, they’re criminals. Something is wrong with you if you think that they need to be treated humanely or fairly.", ">\n\nI’ve not been caught drunk on a job for way longer than that, where’s my promotion ??", ">\n\nYa gotta be a cop to get promoted for mediocrity.", ">\n\nNot even mediocrity in this example just straight “I break the laws and nobody gives a shit”. I wonder how many people he’s taken to jail for driving under the influence since his little incident.", ">\n\nThe “mediocrity” is that he managed to not get caught for 3.5 years in an alcoholic stupor while armed and at the wheel of a police car.", ">\n\nPeople in positions of power are never truly held accountable. It's the powerless that are and never allowed to redeem themselves. Fuck, he wasn't arrested, wasn't fired, received a work demotion, but promoted just a few years later. Aurora police didn't care about accountability then, and now they remind everyone the rules are just different for police.", ">\n\nTbf 3.5 years is plenty of time to clean up your act. Should he have gotten in more trouble for driving drunk? The rest of us sure would, but how much time after a DUI has to pass before redemption is on the table?", ">\n\nHe should have been fired and ineligible for rehire. A DUI will permanently bar you from any job I've ever heard of where you drive a car all day. And for a cop to be drunk on duty is wildly unacceptable. The dude was drunk as shit while carrying a gun. He absolutely should not be allowed to be a cop after that.\nAlso, why would he clean up his act? There were no consequences.", ">\n\nIt’s absurd that you even have to explain that for some people.", ">\n\nSure, but when I do it I'm 'endangering the public'.", ">\n\nIf a member of the general public did this (5 times the legal limit, armed, and in a running car) they would still be dealing with the legal fallout, damage to their career and personal life 3 years later.", ">\n\nIt was a normal everyday person, That person would have been convicted of a DUI and arrested on the spot.\nThe cops don't need to abide by the law they enforce. This is why there is (rightly) the defund the police movement.", ">\n\nIMO - If the people in Aurora would stand up, this wouldn't be an issue. The people of Aurora leave this is acceptable behavior and support it. If they didn't supported There would be protests. The cops are doing it because they can get away with it.", ">\n\nFor real, after the Elijah McCain murder the city should have turned out in force, but here we are letting these thugs lord over the community and get away with blatant abuses of the law. Stop coddling bad actors.", ">\n\nYes, I agree with you. If people are upset, stop complaining and take action.\nIn most cases, the police force is one agency that reports to the director of public safety. Usually, the director of public safety is appointed by the mayor. If that's the case in this instance, march on the mayor's office. Propose a recall. Do not vote for the mayor. I guarantee if the mayor's job is in jeopardy then actions will happen.", ">\n\n“Aurora’s Mediocorerst”", ">\n\nMediocre is a big compliment to these shitty cops.", ">\n\nA friend of mine was caught drunk behind the wheel of her parked personal vehicle and was promoted at work too! Just kidding, she was arrested and lives with a DWI on her record making her life a living hell for the last decade. But good for this guy..", ">\n\nWhat was she doing drunk behind the wheel even if parked tho" ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion.", ">\n\nLiterally passed out in a running car... \nImagine what a normal person would get for that.", ">\n\nWell in Indiana a “normal” person would get a c misdemeanor charge. The lowest level of misdemeanor if you are wondering. OWI is looked at softly whether you are a cop or not.", ">\n\nI know someone who parked their car off the road and went to sleep. Left keys in the igntion. Got OWI. But they were not in Indiana.", ">\n\nThere's a case in Wyoming where a guy knew he was too drunk to drive, knew the law about control of a vehicle while intoxicated, so he threw his keys over a high wooden fence, then went back to his car to sleep off the alcohol. The cops find him sleeping in his car, ask him where his keys are, scale the fence and then arrest him for dwi. Court ruled that because officers could scale the fence to get the keys, the guy was still in control of his vehicle and could therefore be charged with dwi.", ">\n\nBy that logic, anyone who hasn't destroyed their car keys before having a drink can get a dwi.", ">\n\nAgreed. Short of locking my keys in a bank vault with no combo/key, it could be argued I could get them at any other location/point as well by that logic. Just more \"justice\" being served I guess.", ">\n\nI mean really you could always borrow somebody’s car or steal a car, so maybe we should just walk into bars and arrest everybody who is already drunk if there happened to be any motor vehicles at all within walking distance of the establishment. \nIt’s a line drawing exercise. I think that most of us agree that getting into a motor vehicle while intoxicated and driving on a public highway is not something that should be tolerated. But we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \nI’m just curious whether people would back these policies for other kinds of crime. I mean I guess that we do talk about it with guns, suggesting criminalizing merely possessing a gun rather than waiting for a violent crime to happen. But that’s really hypothetical; we talk about gun control but for the most part it doesn’t happen.", ">\n\n\nBut we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \n\nHonestly, I think it's because a majority of people take more satisfaction in \"catching the bad guy\" then the possible consequences of getting the wrong person bothers them. People love that feeling, you can tell anytime some criminal gets caught. Regardless of what they did, it's still weird seeing people joke gleefully about prison rape and the consequences someone might suffer. I'm glad they're off the street, but I'm not celebrating more suffering.", ">\n\nYes, I think there is that. To go back a layer I think it comes down to the sociological “other.” We have a tendency to love dehumanizing people for all sorts of reasons, and it’s not really as simple as a good/bad binary where only bad people engage in prejudice and hatred. I think most people are quite happy to categorize others as “criminals” for any available reason and once you have put the other into a category like that the whole idea of criminal justice reform just seems kind of silly. Those aren’t people, they’re criminals. Something is wrong with you if you think that they need to be treated humanely or fairly.", ">\n\nI’ve not been caught drunk on a job for way longer than that, where’s my promotion ??", ">\n\nYa gotta be a cop to get promoted for mediocrity.", ">\n\nNot even mediocrity in this example just straight “I break the laws and nobody gives a shit”. I wonder how many people he’s taken to jail for driving under the influence since his little incident.", ">\n\nThe “mediocrity” is that he managed to not get caught for 3.5 years in an alcoholic stupor while armed and at the wheel of a police car.", ">\n\nPeople in positions of power are never truly held accountable. It's the powerless that are and never allowed to redeem themselves. Fuck, he wasn't arrested, wasn't fired, received a work demotion, but promoted just a few years later. Aurora police didn't care about accountability then, and now they remind everyone the rules are just different for police.", ">\n\nTbf 3.5 years is plenty of time to clean up your act. Should he have gotten in more trouble for driving drunk? The rest of us sure would, but how much time after a DUI has to pass before redemption is on the table?", ">\n\nHe should have been fired and ineligible for rehire. A DUI will permanently bar you from any job I've ever heard of where you drive a car all day. And for a cop to be drunk on duty is wildly unacceptable. The dude was drunk as shit while carrying a gun. He absolutely should not be allowed to be a cop after that.\nAlso, why would he clean up his act? There were no consequences.", ">\n\nIt’s absurd that you even have to explain that for some people.", ">\n\nSure, but when I do it I'm 'endangering the public'.", ">\n\nIf a member of the general public did this (5 times the legal limit, armed, and in a running car) they would still be dealing with the legal fallout, damage to their career and personal life 3 years later.", ">\n\nIt was a normal everyday person, That person would have been convicted of a DUI and arrested on the spot.\nThe cops don't need to abide by the law they enforce. This is why there is (rightly) the defund the police movement.", ">\n\nIMO - If the people in Aurora would stand up, this wouldn't be an issue. The people of Aurora leave this is acceptable behavior and support it. If they didn't supported There would be protests. The cops are doing it because they can get away with it.", ">\n\nFor real, after the Elijah McCain murder the city should have turned out in force, but here we are letting these thugs lord over the community and get away with blatant abuses of the law. Stop coddling bad actors.", ">\n\nYes, I agree with you. If people are upset, stop complaining and take action.\nIn most cases, the police force is one agency that reports to the director of public safety. Usually, the director of public safety is appointed by the mayor. If that's the case in this instance, march on the mayor's office. Propose a recall. Do not vote for the mayor. I guarantee if the mayor's job is in jeopardy then actions will happen.", ">\n\n“Aurora’s Mediocorerst”", ">\n\nMediocre is a big compliment to these shitty cops.", ">\n\nA friend of mine was caught drunk behind the wheel of her parked personal vehicle and was promoted at work too! Just kidding, she was arrested and lives with a DWI on her record making her life a living hell for the last decade. But good for this guy..", ">\n\nWhat was she doing drunk behind the wheel even if parked tho", ">\n\nSitting?\nThough cops will arrest you for a DUI even if you're sleeping in the backseat." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion.", ">\n\nLiterally passed out in a running car... \nImagine what a normal person would get for that.", ">\n\nWell in Indiana a “normal” person would get a c misdemeanor charge. The lowest level of misdemeanor if you are wondering. OWI is looked at softly whether you are a cop or not.", ">\n\nI know someone who parked their car off the road and went to sleep. Left keys in the igntion. Got OWI. But they were not in Indiana.", ">\n\nThere's a case in Wyoming where a guy knew he was too drunk to drive, knew the law about control of a vehicle while intoxicated, so he threw his keys over a high wooden fence, then went back to his car to sleep off the alcohol. The cops find him sleeping in his car, ask him where his keys are, scale the fence and then arrest him for dwi. Court ruled that because officers could scale the fence to get the keys, the guy was still in control of his vehicle and could therefore be charged with dwi.", ">\n\nBy that logic, anyone who hasn't destroyed their car keys before having a drink can get a dwi.", ">\n\nAgreed. Short of locking my keys in a bank vault with no combo/key, it could be argued I could get them at any other location/point as well by that logic. Just more \"justice\" being served I guess.", ">\n\nI mean really you could always borrow somebody’s car or steal a car, so maybe we should just walk into bars and arrest everybody who is already drunk if there happened to be any motor vehicles at all within walking distance of the establishment. \nIt’s a line drawing exercise. I think that most of us agree that getting into a motor vehicle while intoxicated and driving on a public highway is not something that should be tolerated. But we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \nI’m just curious whether people would back these policies for other kinds of crime. I mean I guess that we do talk about it with guns, suggesting criminalizing merely possessing a gun rather than waiting for a violent crime to happen. But that’s really hypothetical; we talk about gun control but for the most part it doesn’t happen.", ">\n\n\nBut we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \n\nHonestly, I think it's because a majority of people take more satisfaction in \"catching the bad guy\" then the possible consequences of getting the wrong person bothers them. People love that feeling, you can tell anytime some criminal gets caught. Regardless of what they did, it's still weird seeing people joke gleefully about prison rape and the consequences someone might suffer. I'm glad they're off the street, but I'm not celebrating more suffering.", ">\n\nYes, I think there is that. To go back a layer I think it comes down to the sociological “other.” We have a tendency to love dehumanizing people for all sorts of reasons, and it’s not really as simple as a good/bad binary where only bad people engage in prejudice and hatred. I think most people are quite happy to categorize others as “criminals” for any available reason and once you have put the other into a category like that the whole idea of criminal justice reform just seems kind of silly. Those aren’t people, they’re criminals. Something is wrong with you if you think that they need to be treated humanely or fairly.", ">\n\nI’ve not been caught drunk on a job for way longer than that, where’s my promotion ??", ">\n\nYa gotta be a cop to get promoted for mediocrity.", ">\n\nNot even mediocrity in this example just straight “I break the laws and nobody gives a shit”. I wonder how many people he’s taken to jail for driving under the influence since his little incident.", ">\n\nThe “mediocrity” is that he managed to not get caught for 3.5 years in an alcoholic stupor while armed and at the wheel of a police car.", ">\n\nPeople in positions of power are never truly held accountable. It's the powerless that are and never allowed to redeem themselves. Fuck, he wasn't arrested, wasn't fired, received a work demotion, but promoted just a few years later. Aurora police didn't care about accountability then, and now they remind everyone the rules are just different for police.", ">\n\nTbf 3.5 years is plenty of time to clean up your act. Should he have gotten in more trouble for driving drunk? The rest of us sure would, but how much time after a DUI has to pass before redemption is on the table?", ">\n\nHe should have been fired and ineligible for rehire. A DUI will permanently bar you from any job I've ever heard of where you drive a car all day. And for a cop to be drunk on duty is wildly unacceptable. The dude was drunk as shit while carrying a gun. He absolutely should not be allowed to be a cop after that.\nAlso, why would he clean up his act? There were no consequences.", ">\n\nIt’s absurd that you even have to explain that for some people.", ">\n\nSure, but when I do it I'm 'endangering the public'.", ">\n\nIf a member of the general public did this (5 times the legal limit, armed, and in a running car) they would still be dealing with the legal fallout, damage to their career and personal life 3 years later.", ">\n\nIt was a normal everyday person, That person would have been convicted of a DUI and arrested on the spot.\nThe cops don't need to abide by the law they enforce. This is why there is (rightly) the defund the police movement.", ">\n\nIMO - If the people in Aurora would stand up, this wouldn't be an issue. The people of Aurora leave this is acceptable behavior and support it. If they didn't supported There would be protests. The cops are doing it because they can get away with it.", ">\n\nFor real, after the Elijah McCain murder the city should have turned out in force, but here we are letting these thugs lord over the community and get away with blatant abuses of the law. Stop coddling bad actors.", ">\n\nYes, I agree with you. If people are upset, stop complaining and take action.\nIn most cases, the police force is one agency that reports to the director of public safety. Usually, the director of public safety is appointed by the mayor. If that's the case in this instance, march on the mayor's office. Propose a recall. Do not vote for the mayor. I guarantee if the mayor's job is in jeopardy then actions will happen.", ">\n\n“Aurora’s Mediocorerst”", ">\n\nMediocre is a big compliment to these shitty cops.", ">\n\nA friend of mine was caught drunk behind the wheel of her parked personal vehicle and was promoted at work too! Just kidding, she was arrested and lives with a DWI on her record making her life a living hell for the last decade. But good for this guy..", ">\n\nWhat was she doing drunk behind the wheel even if parked tho", ">\n\nSitting?\nThough cops will arrest you for a DUI even if you're sleeping in the backseat.", ">\n\nLike churches, cover up or relocate. Get them back on duty asap." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion.", ">\n\nLiterally passed out in a running car... \nImagine what a normal person would get for that.", ">\n\nWell in Indiana a “normal” person would get a c misdemeanor charge. The lowest level of misdemeanor if you are wondering. OWI is looked at softly whether you are a cop or not.", ">\n\nI know someone who parked their car off the road and went to sleep. Left keys in the igntion. Got OWI. But they were not in Indiana.", ">\n\nThere's a case in Wyoming where a guy knew he was too drunk to drive, knew the law about control of a vehicle while intoxicated, so he threw his keys over a high wooden fence, then went back to his car to sleep off the alcohol. The cops find him sleeping in his car, ask him where his keys are, scale the fence and then arrest him for dwi. Court ruled that because officers could scale the fence to get the keys, the guy was still in control of his vehicle and could therefore be charged with dwi.", ">\n\nBy that logic, anyone who hasn't destroyed their car keys before having a drink can get a dwi.", ">\n\nAgreed. Short of locking my keys in a bank vault with no combo/key, it could be argued I could get them at any other location/point as well by that logic. Just more \"justice\" being served I guess.", ">\n\nI mean really you could always borrow somebody’s car or steal a car, so maybe we should just walk into bars and arrest everybody who is already drunk if there happened to be any motor vehicles at all within walking distance of the establishment. \nIt’s a line drawing exercise. I think that most of us agree that getting into a motor vehicle while intoxicated and driving on a public highway is not something that should be tolerated. But we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \nI’m just curious whether people would back these policies for other kinds of crime. I mean I guess that we do talk about it with guns, suggesting criminalizing merely possessing a gun rather than waiting for a violent crime to happen. But that’s really hypothetical; we talk about gun control but for the most part it doesn’t happen.", ">\n\n\nBut we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \n\nHonestly, I think it's because a majority of people take more satisfaction in \"catching the bad guy\" then the possible consequences of getting the wrong person bothers them. People love that feeling, you can tell anytime some criminal gets caught. Regardless of what they did, it's still weird seeing people joke gleefully about prison rape and the consequences someone might suffer. I'm glad they're off the street, but I'm not celebrating more suffering.", ">\n\nYes, I think there is that. To go back a layer I think it comes down to the sociological “other.” We have a tendency to love dehumanizing people for all sorts of reasons, and it’s not really as simple as a good/bad binary where only bad people engage in prejudice and hatred. I think most people are quite happy to categorize others as “criminals” for any available reason and once you have put the other into a category like that the whole idea of criminal justice reform just seems kind of silly. Those aren’t people, they’re criminals. Something is wrong with you if you think that they need to be treated humanely or fairly.", ">\n\nI’ve not been caught drunk on a job for way longer than that, where’s my promotion ??", ">\n\nYa gotta be a cop to get promoted for mediocrity.", ">\n\nNot even mediocrity in this example just straight “I break the laws and nobody gives a shit”. I wonder how many people he’s taken to jail for driving under the influence since his little incident.", ">\n\nThe “mediocrity” is that he managed to not get caught for 3.5 years in an alcoholic stupor while armed and at the wheel of a police car.", ">\n\nPeople in positions of power are never truly held accountable. It's the powerless that are and never allowed to redeem themselves. Fuck, he wasn't arrested, wasn't fired, received a work demotion, but promoted just a few years later. Aurora police didn't care about accountability then, and now they remind everyone the rules are just different for police.", ">\n\nTbf 3.5 years is plenty of time to clean up your act. Should he have gotten in more trouble for driving drunk? The rest of us sure would, but how much time after a DUI has to pass before redemption is on the table?", ">\n\nHe should have been fired and ineligible for rehire. A DUI will permanently bar you from any job I've ever heard of where you drive a car all day. And for a cop to be drunk on duty is wildly unacceptable. The dude was drunk as shit while carrying a gun. He absolutely should not be allowed to be a cop after that.\nAlso, why would he clean up his act? There were no consequences.", ">\n\nIt’s absurd that you even have to explain that for some people.", ">\n\nSure, but when I do it I'm 'endangering the public'.", ">\n\nIf a member of the general public did this (5 times the legal limit, armed, and in a running car) they would still be dealing with the legal fallout, damage to their career and personal life 3 years later.", ">\n\nIt was a normal everyday person, That person would have been convicted of a DUI and arrested on the spot.\nThe cops don't need to abide by the law they enforce. This is why there is (rightly) the defund the police movement.", ">\n\nIMO - If the people in Aurora would stand up, this wouldn't be an issue. The people of Aurora leave this is acceptable behavior and support it. If they didn't supported There would be protests. The cops are doing it because they can get away with it.", ">\n\nFor real, after the Elijah McCain murder the city should have turned out in force, but here we are letting these thugs lord over the community and get away with blatant abuses of the law. Stop coddling bad actors.", ">\n\nYes, I agree with you. If people are upset, stop complaining and take action.\nIn most cases, the police force is one agency that reports to the director of public safety. Usually, the director of public safety is appointed by the mayor. If that's the case in this instance, march on the mayor's office. Propose a recall. Do not vote for the mayor. I guarantee if the mayor's job is in jeopardy then actions will happen.", ">\n\n“Aurora’s Mediocorerst”", ">\n\nMediocre is a big compliment to these shitty cops.", ">\n\nA friend of mine was caught drunk behind the wheel of her parked personal vehicle and was promoted at work too! Just kidding, she was arrested and lives with a DWI on her record making her life a living hell for the last decade. But good for this guy..", ">\n\nWhat was she doing drunk behind the wheel even if parked tho", ">\n\nSitting?\nThough cops will arrest you for a DUI even if you're sleeping in the backseat.", ">\n\nLike churches, cover up or relocate. Get them back on duty asap.", ">\n\nThey didn't bother to cover up, or relocate, just a 10% raise and a promotion. Who's going to do anything? The new chief was singing his praises on TV last night. No amount of outrage will do anything." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion.", ">\n\nLiterally passed out in a running car... \nImagine what a normal person would get for that.", ">\n\nWell in Indiana a “normal” person would get a c misdemeanor charge. The lowest level of misdemeanor if you are wondering. OWI is looked at softly whether you are a cop or not.", ">\n\nI know someone who parked their car off the road and went to sleep. Left keys in the igntion. Got OWI. But they were not in Indiana.", ">\n\nThere's a case in Wyoming where a guy knew he was too drunk to drive, knew the law about control of a vehicle while intoxicated, so he threw his keys over a high wooden fence, then went back to his car to sleep off the alcohol. The cops find him sleeping in his car, ask him where his keys are, scale the fence and then arrest him for dwi. Court ruled that because officers could scale the fence to get the keys, the guy was still in control of his vehicle and could therefore be charged with dwi.", ">\n\nBy that logic, anyone who hasn't destroyed their car keys before having a drink can get a dwi.", ">\n\nAgreed. Short of locking my keys in a bank vault with no combo/key, it could be argued I could get them at any other location/point as well by that logic. Just more \"justice\" being served I guess.", ">\n\nI mean really you could always borrow somebody’s car or steal a car, so maybe we should just walk into bars and arrest everybody who is already drunk if there happened to be any motor vehicles at all within walking distance of the establishment. \nIt’s a line drawing exercise. I think that most of us agree that getting into a motor vehicle while intoxicated and driving on a public highway is not something that should be tolerated. But we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \nI’m just curious whether people would back these policies for other kinds of crime. I mean I guess that we do talk about it with guns, suggesting criminalizing merely possessing a gun rather than waiting for a violent crime to happen. But that’s really hypothetical; we talk about gun control but for the most part it doesn’t happen.", ">\n\n\nBut we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \n\nHonestly, I think it's because a majority of people take more satisfaction in \"catching the bad guy\" then the possible consequences of getting the wrong person bothers them. People love that feeling, you can tell anytime some criminal gets caught. Regardless of what they did, it's still weird seeing people joke gleefully about prison rape and the consequences someone might suffer. I'm glad they're off the street, but I'm not celebrating more suffering.", ">\n\nYes, I think there is that. To go back a layer I think it comes down to the sociological “other.” We have a tendency to love dehumanizing people for all sorts of reasons, and it’s not really as simple as a good/bad binary where only bad people engage in prejudice and hatred. I think most people are quite happy to categorize others as “criminals” for any available reason and once you have put the other into a category like that the whole idea of criminal justice reform just seems kind of silly. Those aren’t people, they’re criminals. Something is wrong with you if you think that they need to be treated humanely or fairly.", ">\n\nI’ve not been caught drunk on a job for way longer than that, where’s my promotion ??", ">\n\nYa gotta be a cop to get promoted for mediocrity.", ">\n\nNot even mediocrity in this example just straight “I break the laws and nobody gives a shit”. I wonder how many people he’s taken to jail for driving under the influence since his little incident.", ">\n\nThe “mediocrity” is that he managed to not get caught for 3.5 years in an alcoholic stupor while armed and at the wheel of a police car.", ">\n\nPeople in positions of power are never truly held accountable. It's the powerless that are and never allowed to redeem themselves. Fuck, he wasn't arrested, wasn't fired, received a work demotion, but promoted just a few years later. Aurora police didn't care about accountability then, and now they remind everyone the rules are just different for police.", ">\n\nTbf 3.5 years is plenty of time to clean up your act. Should he have gotten in more trouble for driving drunk? The rest of us sure would, but how much time after a DUI has to pass before redemption is on the table?", ">\n\nHe should have been fired and ineligible for rehire. A DUI will permanently bar you from any job I've ever heard of where you drive a car all day. And for a cop to be drunk on duty is wildly unacceptable. The dude was drunk as shit while carrying a gun. He absolutely should not be allowed to be a cop after that.\nAlso, why would he clean up his act? There were no consequences.", ">\n\nIt’s absurd that you even have to explain that for some people.", ">\n\nSure, but when I do it I'm 'endangering the public'.", ">\n\nIf a member of the general public did this (5 times the legal limit, armed, and in a running car) they would still be dealing with the legal fallout, damage to their career and personal life 3 years later.", ">\n\nIt was a normal everyday person, That person would have been convicted of a DUI and arrested on the spot.\nThe cops don't need to abide by the law they enforce. This is why there is (rightly) the defund the police movement.", ">\n\nIMO - If the people in Aurora would stand up, this wouldn't be an issue. The people of Aurora leave this is acceptable behavior and support it. If they didn't supported There would be protests. The cops are doing it because they can get away with it.", ">\n\nFor real, after the Elijah McCain murder the city should have turned out in force, but here we are letting these thugs lord over the community and get away with blatant abuses of the law. Stop coddling bad actors.", ">\n\nYes, I agree with you. If people are upset, stop complaining and take action.\nIn most cases, the police force is one agency that reports to the director of public safety. Usually, the director of public safety is appointed by the mayor. If that's the case in this instance, march on the mayor's office. Propose a recall. Do not vote for the mayor. I guarantee if the mayor's job is in jeopardy then actions will happen.", ">\n\n“Aurora’s Mediocorerst”", ">\n\nMediocre is a big compliment to these shitty cops.", ">\n\nA friend of mine was caught drunk behind the wheel of her parked personal vehicle and was promoted at work too! Just kidding, she was arrested and lives with a DWI on her record making her life a living hell for the last decade. But good for this guy..", ">\n\nWhat was she doing drunk behind the wheel even if parked tho", ">\n\nSitting?\nThough cops will arrest you for a DUI even if you're sleeping in the backseat.", ">\n\nLike churches, cover up or relocate. Get them back on duty asap.", ">\n\nThey didn't bother to cover up, or relocate, just a 10% raise and a promotion. Who's going to do anything? The new chief was singing his praises on TV last night. No amount of outrage will do anything.", ">\n\nAll fair points." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion.", ">\n\nLiterally passed out in a running car... \nImagine what a normal person would get for that.", ">\n\nWell in Indiana a “normal” person would get a c misdemeanor charge. The lowest level of misdemeanor if you are wondering. OWI is looked at softly whether you are a cop or not.", ">\n\nI know someone who parked their car off the road and went to sleep. Left keys in the igntion. Got OWI. But they were not in Indiana.", ">\n\nThere's a case in Wyoming where a guy knew he was too drunk to drive, knew the law about control of a vehicle while intoxicated, so he threw his keys over a high wooden fence, then went back to his car to sleep off the alcohol. The cops find him sleeping in his car, ask him where his keys are, scale the fence and then arrest him for dwi. Court ruled that because officers could scale the fence to get the keys, the guy was still in control of his vehicle and could therefore be charged with dwi.", ">\n\nBy that logic, anyone who hasn't destroyed their car keys before having a drink can get a dwi.", ">\n\nAgreed. Short of locking my keys in a bank vault with no combo/key, it could be argued I could get them at any other location/point as well by that logic. Just more \"justice\" being served I guess.", ">\n\nI mean really you could always borrow somebody’s car or steal a car, so maybe we should just walk into bars and arrest everybody who is already drunk if there happened to be any motor vehicles at all within walking distance of the establishment. \nIt’s a line drawing exercise. I think that most of us agree that getting into a motor vehicle while intoxicated and driving on a public highway is not something that should be tolerated. But we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \nI’m just curious whether people would back these policies for other kinds of crime. I mean I guess that we do talk about it with guns, suggesting criminalizing merely possessing a gun rather than waiting for a violent crime to happen. But that’s really hypothetical; we talk about gun control but for the most part it doesn’t happen.", ">\n\n\nBut we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \n\nHonestly, I think it's because a majority of people take more satisfaction in \"catching the bad guy\" then the possible consequences of getting the wrong person bothers them. People love that feeling, you can tell anytime some criminal gets caught. Regardless of what they did, it's still weird seeing people joke gleefully about prison rape and the consequences someone might suffer. I'm glad they're off the street, but I'm not celebrating more suffering.", ">\n\nYes, I think there is that. To go back a layer I think it comes down to the sociological “other.” We have a tendency to love dehumanizing people for all sorts of reasons, and it’s not really as simple as a good/bad binary where only bad people engage in prejudice and hatred. I think most people are quite happy to categorize others as “criminals” for any available reason and once you have put the other into a category like that the whole idea of criminal justice reform just seems kind of silly. Those aren’t people, they’re criminals. Something is wrong with you if you think that they need to be treated humanely or fairly.", ">\n\nI’ve not been caught drunk on a job for way longer than that, where’s my promotion ??", ">\n\nYa gotta be a cop to get promoted for mediocrity.", ">\n\nNot even mediocrity in this example just straight “I break the laws and nobody gives a shit”. I wonder how many people he’s taken to jail for driving under the influence since his little incident.", ">\n\nThe “mediocrity” is that he managed to not get caught for 3.5 years in an alcoholic stupor while armed and at the wheel of a police car.", ">\n\nPeople in positions of power are never truly held accountable. It's the powerless that are and never allowed to redeem themselves. Fuck, he wasn't arrested, wasn't fired, received a work demotion, but promoted just a few years later. Aurora police didn't care about accountability then, and now they remind everyone the rules are just different for police.", ">\n\nTbf 3.5 years is plenty of time to clean up your act. Should he have gotten in more trouble for driving drunk? The rest of us sure would, but how much time after a DUI has to pass before redemption is on the table?", ">\n\nHe should have been fired and ineligible for rehire. A DUI will permanently bar you from any job I've ever heard of where you drive a car all day. And for a cop to be drunk on duty is wildly unacceptable. The dude was drunk as shit while carrying a gun. He absolutely should not be allowed to be a cop after that.\nAlso, why would he clean up his act? There were no consequences.", ">\n\nIt’s absurd that you even have to explain that for some people.", ">\n\nSure, but when I do it I'm 'endangering the public'.", ">\n\nIf a member of the general public did this (5 times the legal limit, armed, and in a running car) they would still be dealing with the legal fallout, damage to their career and personal life 3 years later.", ">\n\nIt was a normal everyday person, That person would have been convicted of a DUI and arrested on the spot.\nThe cops don't need to abide by the law they enforce. This is why there is (rightly) the defund the police movement.", ">\n\nIMO - If the people in Aurora would stand up, this wouldn't be an issue. The people of Aurora leave this is acceptable behavior and support it. If they didn't supported There would be protests. The cops are doing it because they can get away with it.", ">\n\nFor real, after the Elijah McCain murder the city should have turned out in force, but here we are letting these thugs lord over the community and get away with blatant abuses of the law. Stop coddling bad actors.", ">\n\nYes, I agree with you. If people are upset, stop complaining and take action.\nIn most cases, the police force is one agency that reports to the director of public safety. Usually, the director of public safety is appointed by the mayor. If that's the case in this instance, march on the mayor's office. Propose a recall. Do not vote for the mayor. I guarantee if the mayor's job is in jeopardy then actions will happen.", ">\n\n“Aurora’s Mediocorerst”", ">\n\nMediocre is a big compliment to these shitty cops.", ">\n\nA friend of mine was caught drunk behind the wheel of her parked personal vehicle and was promoted at work too! Just kidding, she was arrested and lives with a DWI on her record making her life a living hell for the last decade. But good for this guy..", ">\n\nWhat was she doing drunk behind the wheel even if parked tho", ">\n\nSitting?\nThough cops will arrest you for a DUI even if you're sleeping in the backseat.", ">\n\nLike churches, cover up or relocate. Get them back on duty asap.", ">\n\nThey didn't bother to cover up, or relocate, just a 10% raise and a promotion. Who's going to do anything? The new chief was singing his praises on TV last night. No amount of outrage will do anything.", ">\n\nAll fair points.", ">\n\nIt's called Failing upwards" ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion.", ">\n\nLiterally passed out in a running car... \nImagine what a normal person would get for that.", ">\n\nWell in Indiana a “normal” person would get a c misdemeanor charge. The lowest level of misdemeanor if you are wondering. OWI is looked at softly whether you are a cop or not.", ">\n\nI know someone who parked their car off the road and went to sleep. Left keys in the igntion. Got OWI. But they were not in Indiana.", ">\n\nThere's a case in Wyoming where a guy knew he was too drunk to drive, knew the law about control of a vehicle while intoxicated, so he threw his keys over a high wooden fence, then went back to his car to sleep off the alcohol. The cops find him sleeping in his car, ask him where his keys are, scale the fence and then arrest him for dwi. Court ruled that because officers could scale the fence to get the keys, the guy was still in control of his vehicle and could therefore be charged with dwi.", ">\n\nBy that logic, anyone who hasn't destroyed their car keys before having a drink can get a dwi.", ">\n\nAgreed. Short of locking my keys in a bank vault with no combo/key, it could be argued I could get them at any other location/point as well by that logic. Just more \"justice\" being served I guess.", ">\n\nI mean really you could always borrow somebody’s car or steal a car, so maybe we should just walk into bars and arrest everybody who is already drunk if there happened to be any motor vehicles at all within walking distance of the establishment. \nIt’s a line drawing exercise. I think that most of us agree that getting into a motor vehicle while intoxicated and driving on a public highway is not something that should be tolerated. But we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \nI’m just curious whether people would back these policies for other kinds of crime. I mean I guess that we do talk about it with guns, suggesting criminalizing merely possessing a gun rather than waiting for a violent crime to happen. But that’s really hypothetical; we talk about gun control but for the most part it doesn’t happen.", ">\n\n\nBut we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \n\nHonestly, I think it's because a majority of people take more satisfaction in \"catching the bad guy\" then the possible consequences of getting the wrong person bothers them. People love that feeling, you can tell anytime some criminal gets caught. Regardless of what they did, it's still weird seeing people joke gleefully about prison rape and the consequences someone might suffer. I'm glad they're off the street, but I'm not celebrating more suffering.", ">\n\nYes, I think there is that. To go back a layer I think it comes down to the sociological “other.” We have a tendency to love dehumanizing people for all sorts of reasons, and it’s not really as simple as a good/bad binary where only bad people engage in prejudice and hatred. I think most people are quite happy to categorize others as “criminals” for any available reason and once you have put the other into a category like that the whole idea of criminal justice reform just seems kind of silly. Those aren’t people, they’re criminals. Something is wrong with you if you think that they need to be treated humanely or fairly.", ">\n\nI’ve not been caught drunk on a job for way longer than that, where’s my promotion ??", ">\n\nYa gotta be a cop to get promoted for mediocrity.", ">\n\nNot even mediocrity in this example just straight “I break the laws and nobody gives a shit”. I wonder how many people he’s taken to jail for driving under the influence since his little incident.", ">\n\nThe “mediocrity” is that he managed to not get caught for 3.5 years in an alcoholic stupor while armed and at the wheel of a police car.", ">\n\nPeople in positions of power are never truly held accountable. It's the powerless that are and never allowed to redeem themselves. Fuck, he wasn't arrested, wasn't fired, received a work demotion, but promoted just a few years later. Aurora police didn't care about accountability then, and now they remind everyone the rules are just different for police.", ">\n\nTbf 3.5 years is plenty of time to clean up your act. Should he have gotten in more trouble for driving drunk? The rest of us sure would, but how much time after a DUI has to pass before redemption is on the table?", ">\n\nHe should have been fired and ineligible for rehire. A DUI will permanently bar you from any job I've ever heard of where you drive a car all day. And for a cop to be drunk on duty is wildly unacceptable. The dude was drunk as shit while carrying a gun. He absolutely should not be allowed to be a cop after that.\nAlso, why would he clean up his act? There were no consequences.", ">\n\nIt’s absurd that you even have to explain that for some people.", ">\n\nSure, but when I do it I'm 'endangering the public'.", ">\n\nIf a member of the general public did this (5 times the legal limit, armed, and in a running car) they would still be dealing with the legal fallout, damage to their career and personal life 3 years later.", ">\n\nIt was a normal everyday person, That person would have been convicted of a DUI and arrested on the spot.\nThe cops don't need to abide by the law they enforce. This is why there is (rightly) the defund the police movement.", ">\n\nIMO - If the people in Aurora would stand up, this wouldn't be an issue. The people of Aurora leave this is acceptable behavior and support it. If they didn't supported There would be protests. The cops are doing it because they can get away with it.", ">\n\nFor real, after the Elijah McCain murder the city should have turned out in force, but here we are letting these thugs lord over the community and get away with blatant abuses of the law. Stop coddling bad actors.", ">\n\nYes, I agree with you. If people are upset, stop complaining and take action.\nIn most cases, the police force is one agency that reports to the director of public safety. Usually, the director of public safety is appointed by the mayor. If that's the case in this instance, march on the mayor's office. Propose a recall. Do not vote for the mayor. I guarantee if the mayor's job is in jeopardy then actions will happen.", ">\n\n“Aurora’s Mediocorerst”", ">\n\nMediocre is a big compliment to these shitty cops.", ">\n\nA friend of mine was caught drunk behind the wheel of her parked personal vehicle and was promoted at work too! Just kidding, she was arrested and lives with a DWI on her record making her life a living hell for the last decade. But good for this guy..", ">\n\nWhat was she doing drunk behind the wheel even if parked tho", ">\n\nSitting?\nThough cops will arrest you for a DUI even if you're sleeping in the backseat.", ">\n\nLike churches, cover up or relocate. Get them back on duty asap.", ">\n\nThey didn't bother to cover up, or relocate, just a 10% raise and a promotion. Who's going to do anything? The new chief was singing his praises on TV last night. No amount of outrage will do anything.", ">\n\nAll fair points.", ">\n\nIt's called Failing upwards", ">\n\nYou get promoted until you cant meet the expectations or no one catches the mistakes until it becomes a big mistake for those special cases." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion.", ">\n\nLiterally passed out in a running car... \nImagine what a normal person would get for that.", ">\n\nWell in Indiana a “normal” person would get a c misdemeanor charge. The lowest level of misdemeanor if you are wondering. OWI is looked at softly whether you are a cop or not.", ">\n\nI know someone who parked their car off the road and went to sleep. Left keys in the igntion. Got OWI. But they were not in Indiana.", ">\n\nThere's a case in Wyoming where a guy knew he was too drunk to drive, knew the law about control of a vehicle while intoxicated, so he threw his keys over a high wooden fence, then went back to his car to sleep off the alcohol. The cops find him sleeping in his car, ask him where his keys are, scale the fence and then arrest him for dwi. Court ruled that because officers could scale the fence to get the keys, the guy was still in control of his vehicle and could therefore be charged with dwi.", ">\n\nBy that logic, anyone who hasn't destroyed their car keys before having a drink can get a dwi.", ">\n\nAgreed. Short of locking my keys in a bank vault with no combo/key, it could be argued I could get them at any other location/point as well by that logic. Just more \"justice\" being served I guess.", ">\n\nI mean really you could always borrow somebody’s car or steal a car, so maybe we should just walk into bars and arrest everybody who is already drunk if there happened to be any motor vehicles at all within walking distance of the establishment. \nIt’s a line drawing exercise. I think that most of us agree that getting into a motor vehicle while intoxicated and driving on a public highway is not something that should be tolerated. But we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \nI’m just curious whether people would back these policies for other kinds of crime. I mean I guess that we do talk about it with guns, suggesting criminalizing merely possessing a gun rather than waiting for a violent crime to happen. But that’s really hypothetical; we talk about gun control but for the most part it doesn’t happen.", ">\n\n\nBut we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \n\nHonestly, I think it's because a majority of people take more satisfaction in \"catching the bad guy\" then the possible consequences of getting the wrong person bothers them. People love that feeling, you can tell anytime some criminal gets caught. Regardless of what they did, it's still weird seeing people joke gleefully about prison rape and the consequences someone might suffer. I'm glad they're off the street, but I'm not celebrating more suffering.", ">\n\nYes, I think there is that. To go back a layer I think it comes down to the sociological “other.” We have a tendency to love dehumanizing people for all sorts of reasons, and it’s not really as simple as a good/bad binary where only bad people engage in prejudice and hatred. I think most people are quite happy to categorize others as “criminals” for any available reason and once you have put the other into a category like that the whole idea of criminal justice reform just seems kind of silly. Those aren’t people, they’re criminals. Something is wrong with you if you think that they need to be treated humanely or fairly.", ">\n\nI’ve not been caught drunk on a job for way longer than that, where’s my promotion ??", ">\n\nYa gotta be a cop to get promoted for mediocrity.", ">\n\nNot even mediocrity in this example just straight “I break the laws and nobody gives a shit”. I wonder how many people he’s taken to jail for driving under the influence since his little incident.", ">\n\nThe “mediocrity” is that he managed to not get caught for 3.5 years in an alcoholic stupor while armed and at the wheel of a police car.", ">\n\nPeople in positions of power are never truly held accountable. It's the powerless that are and never allowed to redeem themselves. Fuck, he wasn't arrested, wasn't fired, received a work demotion, but promoted just a few years later. Aurora police didn't care about accountability then, and now they remind everyone the rules are just different for police.", ">\n\nTbf 3.5 years is plenty of time to clean up your act. Should he have gotten in more trouble for driving drunk? The rest of us sure would, but how much time after a DUI has to pass before redemption is on the table?", ">\n\nHe should have been fired and ineligible for rehire. A DUI will permanently bar you from any job I've ever heard of where you drive a car all day. And for a cop to be drunk on duty is wildly unacceptable. The dude was drunk as shit while carrying a gun. He absolutely should not be allowed to be a cop after that.\nAlso, why would he clean up his act? There were no consequences.", ">\n\nIt’s absurd that you even have to explain that for some people.", ">\n\nSure, but when I do it I'm 'endangering the public'.", ">\n\nIf a member of the general public did this (5 times the legal limit, armed, and in a running car) they would still be dealing with the legal fallout, damage to their career and personal life 3 years later.", ">\n\nIt was a normal everyday person, That person would have been convicted of a DUI and arrested on the spot.\nThe cops don't need to abide by the law they enforce. This is why there is (rightly) the defund the police movement.", ">\n\nIMO - If the people in Aurora would stand up, this wouldn't be an issue. The people of Aurora leave this is acceptable behavior and support it. If they didn't supported There would be protests. The cops are doing it because they can get away with it.", ">\n\nFor real, after the Elijah McCain murder the city should have turned out in force, but here we are letting these thugs lord over the community and get away with blatant abuses of the law. Stop coddling bad actors.", ">\n\nYes, I agree with you. If people are upset, stop complaining and take action.\nIn most cases, the police force is one agency that reports to the director of public safety. Usually, the director of public safety is appointed by the mayor. If that's the case in this instance, march on the mayor's office. Propose a recall. Do not vote for the mayor. I guarantee if the mayor's job is in jeopardy then actions will happen.", ">\n\n“Aurora’s Mediocorerst”", ">\n\nMediocre is a big compliment to these shitty cops.", ">\n\nA friend of mine was caught drunk behind the wheel of her parked personal vehicle and was promoted at work too! Just kidding, she was arrested and lives with a DWI on her record making her life a living hell for the last decade. But good for this guy..", ">\n\nWhat was she doing drunk behind the wheel even if parked tho", ">\n\nSitting?\nThough cops will arrest you for a DUI even if you're sleeping in the backseat.", ">\n\nLike churches, cover up or relocate. Get them back on duty asap.", ">\n\nThey didn't bother to cover up, or relocate, just a 10% raise and a promotion. Who's going to do anything? The new chief was singing his praises on TV last night. No amount of outrage will do anything.", ">\n\nAll fair points.", ">\n\nIt's called Failing upwards", ">\n\nYou get promoted until you cant meet the expectations or no one catches the mistakes until it becomes a big mistake for those special cases.", ">\n\n\nAurora PD\n\nthe fact this PD still exists is an absolute mindfuck. just never ending in the news about how much they fuck up everyday." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion.", ">\n\nLiterally passed out in a running car... \nImagine what a normal person would get for that.", ">\n\nWell in Indiana a “normal” person would get a c misdemeanor charge. The lowest level of misdemeanor if you are wondering. OWI is looked at softly whether you are a cop or not.", ">\n\nI know someone who parked their car off the road and went to sleep. Left keys in the igntion. Got OWI. But they were not in Indiana.", ">\n\nThere's a case in Wyoming where a guy knew he was too drunk to drive, knew the law about control of a vehicle while intoxicated, so he threw his keys over a high wooden fence, then went back to his car to sleep off the alcohol. The cops find him sleeping in his car, ask him where his keys are, scale the fence and then arrest him for dwi. Court ruled that because officers could scale the fence to get the keys, the guy was still in control of his vehicle and could therefore be charged with dwi.", ">\n\nBy that logic, anyone who hasn't destroyed their car keys before having a drink can get a dwi.", ">\n\nAgreed. Short of locking my keys in a bank vault with no combo/key, it could be argued I could get them at any other location/point as well by that logic. Just more \"justice\" being served I guess.", ">\n\nI mean really you could always borrow somebody’s car or steal a car, so maybe we should just walk into bars and arrest everybody who is already drunk if there happened to be any motor vehicles at all within walking distance of the establishment. \nIt’s a line drawing exercise. I think that most of us agree that getting into a motor vehicle while intoxicated and driving on a public highway is not something that should be tolerated. But we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \nI’m just curious whether people would back these policies for other kinds of crime. I mean I guess that we do talk about it with guns, suggesting criminalizing merely possessing a gun rather than waiting for a violent crime to happen. But that’s really hypothetical; we talk about gun control but for the most part it doesn’t happen.", ">\n\n\nBut we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \n\nHonestly, I think it's because a majority of people take more satisfaction in \"catching the bad guy\" then the possible consequences of getting the wrong person bothers them. People love that feeling, you can tell anytime some criminal gets caught. Regardless of what they did, it's still weird seeing people joke gleefully about prison rape and the consequences someone might suffer. I'm glad they're off the street, but I'm not celebrating more suffering.", ">\n\nYes, I think there is that. To go back a layer I think it comes down to the sociological “other.” We have a tendency to love dehumanizing people for all sorts of reasons, and it’s not really as simple as a good/bad binary where only bad people engage in prejudice and hatred. I think most people are quite happy to categorize others as “criminals” for any available reason and once you have put the other into a category like that the whole idea of criminal justice reform just seems kind of silly. Those aren’t people, they’re criminals. Something is wrong with you if you think that they need to be treated humanely or fairly.", ">\n\nI’ve not been caught drunk on a job for way longer than that, where’s my promotion ??", ">\n\nYa gotta be a cop to get promoted for mediocrity.", ">\n\nNot even mediocrity in this example just straight “I break the laws and nobody gives a shit”. I wonder how many people he’s taken to jail for driving under the influence since his little incident.", ">\n\nThe “mediocrity” is that he managed to not get caught for 3.5 years in an alcoholic stupor while armed and at the wheel of a police car.", ">\n\nPeople in positions of power are never truly held accountable. It's the powerless that are and never allowed to redeem themselves. Fuck, he wasn't arrested, wasn't fired, received a work demotion, but promoted just a few years later. Aurora police didn't care about accountability then, and now they remind everyone the rules are just different for police.", ">\n\nTbf 3.5 years is plenty of time to clean up your act. Should he have gotten in more trouble for driving drunk? The rest of us sure would, but how much time after a DUI has to pass before redemption is on the table?", ">\n\nHe should have been fired and ineligible for rehire. A DUI will permanently bar you from any job I've ever heard of where you drive a car all day. And for a cop to be drunk on duty is wildly unacceptable. The dude was drunk as shit while carrying a gun. He absolutely should not be allowed to be a cop after that.\nAlso, why would he clean up his act? There were no consequences.", ">\n\nIt’s absurd that you even have to explain that for some people.", ">\n\nSure, but when I do it I'm 'endangering the public'.", ">\n\nIf a member of the general public did this (5 times the legal limit, armed, and in a running car) they would still be dealing with the legal fallout, damage to their career and personal life 3 years later.", ">\n\nIt was a normal everyday person, That person would have been convicted of a DUI and arrested on the spot.\nThe cops don't need to abide by the law they enforce. This is why there is (rightly) the defund the police movement.", ">\n\nIMO - If the people in Aurora would stand up, this wouldn't be an issue. The people of Aurora leave this is acceptable behavior and support it. If they didn't supported There would be protests. The cops are doing it because they can get away with it.", ">\n\nFor real, after the Elijah McCain murder the city should have turned out in force, but here we are letting these thugs lord over the community and get away with blatant abuses of the law. Stop coddling bad actors.", ">\n\nYes, I agree with you. If people are upset, stop complaining and take action.\nIn most cases, the police force is one agency that reports to the director of public safety. Usually, the director of public safety is appointed by the mayor. If that's the case in this instance, march on the mayor's office. Propose a recall. Do not vote for the mayor. I guarantee if the mayor's job is in jeopardy then actions will happen.", ">\n\n“Aurora’s Mediocorerst”", ">\n\nMediocre is a big compliment to these shitty cops.", ">\n\nA friend of mine was caught drunk behind the wheel of her parked personal vehicle and was promoted at work too! Just kidding, she was arrested and lives with a DWI on her record making her life a living hell for the last decade. But good for this guy..", ">\n\nWhat was she doing drunk behind the wheel even if parked tho", ">\n\nSitting?\nThough cops will arrest you for a DUI even if you're sleeping in the backseat.", ">\n\nLike churches, cover up or relocate. Get them back on duty asap.", ">\n\nThey didn't bother to cover up, or relocate, just a 10% raise and a promotion. Who's going to do anything? The new chief was singing his praises on TV last night. No amount of outrage will do anything.", ">\n\nAll fair points.", ">\n\nIt's called Failing upwards", ">\n\nYou get promoted until you cant meet the expectations or no one catches the mistakes until it becomes a big mistake for those special cases.", ">\n\n\nAurora PD\n\nthe fact this PD still exists is an absolute mindfuck. just never ending in the news about how much they fuck up everyday.", ">\n\nI can accept that someone turns their life around after a DUI and deserves to reclaim their lives. \nBut those are people that actually got a DUI, not a demotion" ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion.", ">\n\nLiterally passed out in a running car... \nImagine what a normal person would get for that.", ">\n\nWell in Indiana a “normal” person would get a c misdemeanor charge. The lowest level of misdemeanor if you are wondering. OWI is looked at softly whether you are a cop or not.", ">\n\nI know someone who parked their car off the road and went to sleep. Left keys in the igntion. Got OWI. But they were not in Indiana.", ">\n\nThere's a case in Wyoming where a guy knew he was too drunk to drive, knew the law about control of a vehicle while intoxicated, so he threw his keys over a high wooden fence, then went back to his car to sleep off the alcohol. The cops find him sleeping in his car, ask him where his keys are, scale the fence and then arrest him for dwi. Court ruled that because officers could scale the fence to get the keys, the guy was still in control of his vehicle and could therefore be charged with dwi.", ">\n\nBy that logic, anyone who hasn't destroyed their car keys before having a drink can get a dwi.", ">\n\nAgreed. Short of locking my keys in a bank vault with no combo/key, it could be argued I could get them at any other location/point as well by that logic. Just more \"justice\" being served I guess.", ">\n\nI mean really you could always borrow somebody’s car or steal a car, so maybe we should just walk into bars and arrest everybody who is already drunk if there happened to be any motor vehicles at all within walking distance of the establishment. \nIt’s a line drawing exercise. I think that most of us agree that getting into a motor vehicle while intoxicated and driving on a public highway is not something that should be tolerated. But we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \nI’m just curious whether people would back these policies for other kinds of crime. I mean I guess that we do talk about it with guns, suggesting criminalizing merely possessing a gun rather than waiting for a violent crime to happen. But that’s really hypothetical; we talk about gun control but for the most part it doesn’t happen.", ">\n\n\nBut we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \n\nHonestly, I think it's because a majority of people take more satisfaction in \"catching the bad guy\" then the possible consequences of getting the wrong person bothers them. People love that feeling, you can tell anytime some criminal gets caught. Regardless of what they did, it's still weird seeing people joke gleefully about prison rape and the consequences someone might suffer. I'm glad they're off the street, but I'm not celebrating more suffering.", ">\n\nYes, I think there is that. To go back a layer I think it comes down to the sociological “other.” We have a tendency to love dehumanizing people for all sorts of reasons, and it’s not really as simple as a good/bad binary where only bad people engage in prejudice and hatred. I think most people are quite happy to categorize others as “criminals” for any available reason and once you have put the other into a category like that the whole idea of criminal justice reform just seems kind of silly. Those aren’t people, they’re criminals. Something is wrong with you if you think that they need to be treated humanely or fairly.", ">\n\nI’ve not been caught drunk on a job for way longer than that, where’s my promotion ??", ">\n\nYa gotta be a cop to get promoted for mediocrity.", ">\n\nNot even mediocrity in this example just straight “I break the laws and nobody gives a shit”. I wonder how many people he’s taken to jail for driving under the influence since his little incident.", ">\n\nThe “mediocrity” is that he managed to not get caught for 3.5 years in an alcoholic stupor while armed and at the wheel of a police car.", ">\n\nPeople in positions of power are never truly held accountable. It's the powerless that are and never allowed to redeem themselves. Fuck, he wasn't arrested, wasn't fired, received a work demotion, but promoted just a few years later. Aurora police didn't care about accountability then, and now they remind everyone the rules are just different for police.", ">\n\nTbf 3.5 years is plenty of time to clean up your act. Should he have gotten in more trouble for driving drunk? The rest of us sure would, but how much time after a DUI has to pass before redemption is on the table?", ">\n\nHe should have been fired and ineligible for rehire. A DUI will permanently bar you from any job I've ever heard of where you drive a car all day. And for a cop to be drunk on duty is wildly unacceptable. The dude was drunk as shit while carrying a gun. He absolutely should not be allowed to be a cop after that.\nAlso, why would he clean up his act? There were no consequences.", ">\n\nIt’s absurd that you even have to explain that for some people.", ">\n\nSure, but when I do it I'm 'endangering the public'.", ">\n\nIf a member of the general public did this (5 times the legal limit, armed, and in a running car) they would still be dealing with the legal fallout, damage to their career and personal life 3 years later.", ">\n\nIt was a normal everyday person, That person would have been convicted of a DUI and arrested on the spot.\nThe cops don't need to abide by the law they enforce. This is why there is (rightly) the defund the police movement.", ">\n\nIMO - If the people in Aurora would stand up, this wouldn't be an issue. The people of Aurora leave this is acceptable behavior and support it. If they didn't supported There would be protests. The cops are doing it because they can get away with it.", ">\n\nFor real, after the Elijah McCain murder the city should have turned out in force, but here we are letting these thugs lord over the community and get away with blatant abuses of the law. Stop coddling bad actors.", ">\n\nYes, I agree with you. If people are upset, stop complaining and take action.\nIn most cases, the police force is one agency that reports to the director of public safety. Usually, the director of public safety is appointed by the mayor. If that's the case in this instance, march on the mayor's office. Propose a recall. Do not vote for the mayor. I guarantee if the mayor's job is in jeopardy then actions will happen.", ">\n\n“Aurora’s Mediocorerst”", ">\n\nMediocre is a big compliment to these shitty cops.", ">\n\nA friend of mine was caught drunk behind the wheel of her parked personal vehicle and was promoted at work too! Just kidding, she was arrested and lives with a DWI on her record making her life a living hell for the last decade. But good for this guy..", ">\n\nWhat was she doing drunk behind the wheel even if parked tho", ">\n\nSitting?\nThough cops will arrest you for a DUI even if you're sleeping in the backseat.", ">\n\nLike churches, cover up or relocate. Get them back on duty asap.", ">\n\nThey didn't bother to cover up, or relocate, just a 10% raise and a promotion. Who's going to do anything? The new chief was singing his praises on TV last night. No amount of outrage will do anything.", ">\n\nAll fair points.", ">\n\nIt's called Failing upwards", ">\n\nYou get promoted until you cant meet the expectations or no one catches the mistakes until it becomes a big mistake for those special cases.", ">\n\n\nAurora PD\n\nthe fact this PD still exists is an absolute mindfuck. just never ending in the news about how much they fuck up everyday.", ">\n\nI can accept that someone turns their life around after a DUI and deserves to reclaim their lives. \nBut those are people that actually got a DUI, not a demotion", ">\n\nRules for thee but not for me" ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion.", ">\n\nLiterally passed out in a running car... \nImagine what a normal person would get for that.", ">\n\nWell in Indiana a “normal” person would get a c misdemeanor charge. The lowest level of misdemeanor if you are wondering. OWI is looked at softly whether you are a cop or not.", ">\n\nI know someone who parked their car off the road and went to sleep. Left keys in the igntion. Got OWI. But they were not in Indiana.", ">\n\nThere's a case in Wyoming where a guy knew he was too drunk to drive, knew the law about control of a vehicle while intoxicated, so he threw his keys over a high wooden fence, then went back to his car to sleep off the alcohol. The cops find him sleeping in his car, ask him where his keys are, scale the fence and then arrest him for dwi. Court ruled that because officers could scale the fence to get the keys, the guy was still in control of his vehicle and could therefore be charged with dwi.", ">\n\nBy that logic, anyone who hasn't destroyed their car keys before having a drink can get a dwi.", ">\n\nAgreed. Short of locking my keys in a bank vault with no combo/key, it could be argued I could get them at any other location/point as well by that logic. Just more \"justice\" being served I guess.", ">\n\nI mean really you could always borrow somebody’s car or steal a car, so maybe we should just walk into bars and arrest everybody who is already drunk if there happened to be any motor vehicles at all within walking distance of the establishment. \nIt’s a line drawing exercise. I think that most of us agree that getting into a motor vehicle while intoxicated and driving on a public highway is not something that should be tolerated. But we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \nI’m just curious whether people would back these policies for other kinds of crime. I mean I guess that we do talk about it with guns, suggesting criminalizing merely possessing a gun rather than waiting for a violent crime to happen. But that’s really hypothetical; we talk about gun control but for the most part it doesn’t happen.", ">\n\n\nBut we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \n\nHonestly, I think it's because a majority of people take more satisfaction in \"catching the bad guy\" then the possible consequences of getting the wrong person bothers them. People love that feeling, you can tell anytime some criminal gets caught. Regardless of what they did, it's still weird seeing people joke gleefully about prison rape and the consequences someone might suffer. I'm glad they're off the street, but I'm not celebrating more suffering.", ">\n\nYes, I think there is that. To go back a layer I think it comes down to the sociological “other.” We have a tendency to love dehumanizing people for all sorts of reasons, and it’s not really as simple as a good/bad binary where only bad people engage in prejudice and hatred. I think most people are quite happy to categorize others as “criminals” for any available reason and once you have put the other into a category like that the whole idea of criminal justice reform just seems kind of silly. Those aren’t people, they’re criminals. Something is wrong with you if you think that they need to be treated humanely or fairly.", ">\n\nI’ve not been caught drunk on a job for way longer than that, where’s my promotion ??", ">\n\nYa gotta be a cop to get promoted for mediocrity.", ">\n\nNot even mediocrity in this example just straight “I break the laws and nobody gives a shit”. I wonder how many people he’s taken to jail for driving under the influence since his little incident.", ">\n\nThe “mediocrity” is that he managed to not get caught for 3.5 years in an alcoholic stupor while armed and at the wheel of a police car.", ">\n\nPeople in positions of power are never truly held accountable. It's the powerless that are and never allowed to redeem themselves. Fuck, he wasn't arrested, wasn't fired, received a work demotion, but promoted just a few years later. Aurora police didn't care about accountability then, and now they remind everyone the rules are just different for police.", ">\n\nTbf 3.5 years is plenty of time to clean up your act. Should he have gotten in more trouble for driving drunk? The rest of us sure would, but how much time after a DUI has to pass before redemption is on the table?", ">\n\nHe should have been fired and ineligible for rehire. A DUI will permanently bar you from any job I've ever heard of where you drive a car all day. And for a cop to be drunk on duty is wildly unacceptable. The dude was drunk as shit while carrying a gun. He absolutely should not be allowed to be a cop after that.\nAlso, why would he clean up his act? There were no consequences.", ">\n\nIt’s absurd that you even have to explain that for some people.", ">\n\nSure, but when I do it I'm 'endangering the public'.", ">\n\nIf a member of the general public did this (5 times the legal limit, armed, and in a running car) they would still be dealing with the legal fallout, damage to their career and personal life 3 years later.", ">\n\nIt was a normal everyday person, That person would have been convicted of a DUI and arrested on the spot.\nThe cops don't need to abide by the law they enforce. This is why there is (rightly) the defund the police movement.", ">\n\nIMO - If the people in Aurora would stand up, this wouldn't be an issue. The people of Aurora leave this is acceptable behavior and support it. If they didn't supported There would be protests. The cops are doing it because they can get away with it.", ">\n\nFor real, after the Elijah McCain murder the city should have turned out in force, but here we are letting these thugs lord over the community and get away with blatant abuses of the law. Stop coddling bad actors.", ">\n\nYes, I agree with you. If people are upset, stop complaining and take action.\nIn most cases, the police force is one agency that reports to the director of public safety. Usually, the director of public safety is appointed by the mayor. If that's the case in this instance, march on the mayor's office. Propose a recall. Do not vote for the mayor. I guarantee if the mayor's job is in jeopardy then actions will happen.", ">\n\n“Aurora’s Mediocorerst”", ">\n\nMediocre is a big compliment to these shitty cops.", ">\n\nA friend of mine was caught drunk behind the wheel of her parked personal vehicle and was promoted at work too! Just kidding, she was arrested and lives with a DWI on her record making her life a living hell for the last decade. But good for this guy..", ">\n\nWhat was she doing drunk behind the wheel even if parked tho", ">\n\nSitting?\nThough cops will arrest you for a DUI even if you're sleeping in the backseat.", ">\n\nLike churches, cover up or relocate. Get them back on duty asap.", ">\n\nThey didn't bother to cover up, or relocate, just a 10% raise and a promotion. Who's going to do anything? The new chief was singing his praises on TV last night. No amount of outrage will do anything.", ">\n\nAll fair points.", ">\n\nIt's called Failing upwards", ">\n\nYou get promoted until you cant meet the expectations or no one catches the mistakes until it becomes a big mistake for those special cases.", ">\n\n\nAurora PD\n\nthe fact this PD still exists is an absolute mindfuck. just never ending in the news about how much they fuck up everyday.", ">\n\nI can accept that someone turns their life around after a DUI and deserves to reclaim their lives. \nBut those are people that actually got a DUI, not a demotion", ">\n\nRules for thee but not for me", ">\n\nA barista at Starbucks would be fired if they were found passed out drunk WHILE ON THE JOB. American police get promoted for it.\nNothing makes sense." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion.", ">\n\nLiterally passed out in a running car... \nImagine what a normal person would get for that.", ">\n\nWell in Indiana a “normal” person would get a c misdemeanor charge. The lowest level of misdemeanor if you are wondering. OWI is looked at softly whether you are a cop or not.", ">\n\nI know someone who parked their car off the road and went to sleep. Left keys in the igntion. Got OWI. But they were not in Indiana.", ">\n\nThere's a case in Wyoming where a guy knew he was too drunk to drive, knew the law about control of a vehicle while intoxicated, so he threw his keys over a high wooden fence, then went back to his car to sleep off the alcohol. The cops find him sleeping in his car, ask him where his keys are, scale the fence and then arrest him for dwi. Court ruled that because officers could scale the fence to get the keys, the guy was still in control of his vehicle and could therefore be charged with dwi.", ">\n\nBy that logic, anyone who hasn't destroyed their car keys before having a drink can get a dwi.", ">\n\nAgreed. Short of locking my keys in a bank vault with no combo/key, it could be argued I could get them at any other location/point as well by that logic. Just more \"justice\" being served I guess.", ">\n\nI mean really you could always borrow somebody’s car or steal a car, so maybe we should just walk into bars and arrest everybody who is already drunk if there happened to be any motor vehicles at all within walking distance of the establishment. \nIt’s a line drawing exercise. I think that most of us agree that getting into a motor vehicle while intoxicated and driving on a public highway is not something that should be tolerated. But we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \nI’m just curious whether people would back these policies for other kinds of crime. I mean I guess that we do talk about it with guns, suggesting criminalizing merely possessing a gun rather than waiting for a violent crime to happen. But that’s really hypothetical; we talk about gun control but for the most part it doesn’t happen.", ">\n\n\nBut we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \n\nHonestly, I think it's because a majority of people take more satisfaction in \"catching the bad guy\" then the possible consequences of getting the wrong person bothers them. People love that feeling, you can tell anytime some criminal gets caught. Regardless of what they did, it's still weird seeing people joke gleefully about prison rape and the consequences someone might suffer. I'm glad they're off the street, but I'm not celebrating more suffering.", ">\n\nYes, I think there is that. To go back a layer I think it comes down to the sociological “other.” We have a tendency to love dehumanizing people for all sorts of reasons, and it’s not really as simple as a good/bad binary where only bad people engage in prejudice and hatred. I think most people are quite happy to categorize others as “criminals” for any available reason and once you have put the other into a category like that the whole idea of criminal justice reform just seems kind of silly. Those aren’t people, they’re criminals. Something is wrong with you if you think that they need to be treated humanely or fairly.", ">\n\nI’ve not been caught drunk on a job for way longer than that, where’s my promotion ??", ">\n\nYa gotta be a cop to get promoted for mediocrity.", ">\n\nNot even mediocrity in this example just straight “I break the laws and nobody gives a shit”. I wonder how many people he’s taken to jail for driving under the influence since his little incident.", ">\n\nThe “mediocrity” is that he managed to not get caught for 3.5 years in an alcoholic stupor while armed and at the wheel of a police car.", ">\n\nPeople in positions of power are never truly held accountable. It's the powerless that are and never allowed to redeem themselves. Fuck, he wasn't arrested, wasn't fired, received a work demotion, but promoted just a few years later. Aurora police didn't care about accountability then, and now they remind everyone the rules are just different for police.", ">\n\nTbf 3.5 years is plenty of time to clean up your act. Should he have gotten in more trouble for driving drunk? The rest of us sure would, but how much time after a DUI has to pass before redemption is on the table?", ">\n\nHe should have been fired and ineligible for rehire. A DUI will permanently bar you from any job I've ever heard of where you drive a car all day. And for a cop to be drunk on duty is wildly unacceptable. The dude was drunk as shit while carrying a gun. He absolutely should not be allowed to be a cop after that.\nAlso, why would he clean up his act? There were no consequences.", ">\n\nIt’s absurd that you even have to explain that for some people.", ">\n\nSure, but when I do it I'm 'endangering the public'.", ">\n\nIf a member of the general public did this (5 times the legal limit, armed, and in a running car) they would still be dealing with the legal fallout, damage to their career and personal life 3 years later.", ">\n\nIt was a normal everyday person, That person would have been convicted of a DUI and arrested on the spot.\nThe cops don't need to abide by the law they enforce. This is why there is (rightly) the defund the police movement.", ">\n\nIMO - If the people in Aurora would stand up, this wouldn't be an issue. The people of Aurora leave this is acceptable behavior and support it. If they didn't supported There would be protests. The cops are doing it because they can get away with it.", ">\n\nFor real, after the Elijah McCain murder the city should have turned out in force, but here we are letting these thugs lord over the community and get away with blatant abuses of the law. Stop coddling bad actors.", ">\n\nYes, I agree with you. If people are upset, stop complaining and take action.\nIn most cases, the police force is one agency that reports to the director of public safety. Usually, the director of public safety is appointed by the mayor. If that's the case in this instance, march on the mayor's office. Propose a recall. Do not vote for the mayor. I guarantee if the mayor's job is in jeopardy then actions will happen.", ">\n\n“Aurora’s Mediocorerst”", ">\n\nMediocre is a big compliment to these shitty cops.", ">\n\nA friend of mine was caught drunk behind the wheel of her parked personal vehicle and was promoted at work too! Just kidding, she was arrested and lives with a DWI on her record making her life a living hell for the last decade. But good for this guy..", ">\n\nWhat was she doing drunk behind the wheel even if parked tho", ">\n\nSitting?\nThough cops will arrest you for a DUI even if you're sleeping in the backseat.", ">\n\nLike churches, cover up or relocate. Get them back on duty asap.", ">\n\nThey didn't bother to cover up, or relocate, just a 10% raise and a promotion. Who's going to do anything? The new chief was singing his praises on TV last night. No amount of outrage will do anything.", ">\n\nAll fair points.", ">\n\nIt's called Failing upwards", ">\n\nYou get promoted until you cant meet the expectations or no one catches the mistakes until it becomes a big mistake for those special cases.", ">\n\n\nAurora PD\n\nthe fact this PD still exists is an absolute mindfuck. just never ending in the news about how much they fuck up everyday.", ">\n\nI can accept that someone turns their life around after a DUI and deserves to reclaim their lives. \nBut those are people that actually got a DUI, not a demotion", ">\n\nRules for thee but not for me", ">\n\nA barista at Starbucks would be fired if they were found passed out drunk WHILE ON THE JOB. American police get promoted for it.\nNothing makes sense.", ">\n\nAnd police all over America wonder, “Why don’t people like or trust us?”." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion.", ">\n\nLiterally passed out in a running car... \nImagine what a normal person would get for that.", ">\n\nWell in Indiana a “normal” person would get a c misdemeanor charge. The lowest level of misdemeanor if you are wondering. OWI is looked at softly whether you are a cop or not.", ">\n\nI know someone who parked their car off the road and went to sleep. Left keys in the igntion. Got OWI. But they were not in Indiana.", ">\n\nThere's a case in Wyoming where a guy knew he was too drunk to drive, knew the law about control of a vehicle while intoxicated, so he threw his keys over a high wooden fence, then went back to his car to sleep off the alcohol. The cops find him sleeping in his car, ask him where his keys are, scale the fence and then arrest him for dwi. Court ruled that because officers could scale the fence to get the keys, the guy was still in control of his vehicle and could therefore be charged with dwi.", ">\n\nBy that logic, anyone who hasn't destroyed their car keys before having a drink can get a dwi.", ">\n\nAgreed. Short of locking my keys in a bank vault with no combo/key, it could be argued I could get them at any other location/point as well by that logic. Just more \"justice\" being served I guess.", ">\n\nI mean really you could always borrow somebody’s car or steal a car, so maybe we should just walk into bars and arrest everybody who is already drunk if there happened to be any motor vehicles at all within walking distance of the establishment. \nIt’s a line drawing exercise. I think that most of us agree that getting into a motor vehicle while intoxicated and driving on a public highway is not something that should be tolerated. But we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \nI’m just curious whether people would back these policies for other kinds of crime. I mean I guess that we do talk about it with guns, suggesting criminalizing merely possessing a gun rather than waiting for a violent crime to happen. But that’s really hypothetical; we talk about gun control but for the most part it doesn’t happen.", ">\n\n\nBut we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \n\nHonestly, I think it's because a majority of people take more satisfaction in \"catching the bad guy\" then the possible consequences of getting the wrong person bothers them. People love that feeling, you can tell anytime some criminal gets caught. Regardless of what they did, it's still weird seeing people joke gleefully about prison rape and the consequences someone might suffer. I'm glad they're off the street, but I'm not celebrating more suffering.", ">\n\nYes, I think there is that. To go back a layer I think it comes down to the sociological “other.” We have a tendency to love dehumanizing people for all sorts of reasons, and it’s not really as simple as a good/bad binary where only bad people engage in prejudice and hatred. I think most people are quite happy to categorize others as “criminals” for any available reason and once you have put the other into a category like that the whole idea of criminal justice reform just seems kind of silly. Those aren’t people, they’re criminals. Something is wrong with you if you think that they need to be treated humanely or fairly.", ">\n\nI’ve not been caught drunk on a job for way longer than that, where’s my promotion ??", ">\n\nYa gotta be a cop to get promoted for mediocrity.", ">\n\nNot even mediocrity in this example just straight “I break the laws and nobody gives a shit”. I wonder how many people he’s taken to jail for driving under the influence since his little incident.", ">\n\nThe “mediocrity” is that he managed to not get caught for 3.5 years in an alcoholic stupor while armed and at the wheel of a police car.", ">\n\nPeople in positions of power are never truly held accountable. It's the powerless that are and never allowed to redeem themselves. Fuck, he wasn't arrested, wasn't fired, received a work demotion, but promoted just a few years later. Aurora police didn't care about accountability then, and now they remind everyone the rules are just different for police.", ">\n\nTbf 3.5 years is plenty of time to clean up your act. Should he have gotten in more trouble for driving drunk? The rest of us sure would, but how much time after a DUI has to pass before redemption is on the table?", ">\n\nHe should have been fired and ineligible for rehire. A DUI will permanently bar you from any job I've ever heard of where you drive a car all day. And for a cop to be drunk on duty is wildly unacceptable. The dude was drunk as shit while carrying a gun. He absolutely should not be allowed to be a cop after that.\nAlso, why would he clean up his act? There were no consequences.", ">\n\nIt’s absurd that you even have to explain that for some people.", ">\n\nSure, but when I do it I'm 'endangering the public'.", ">\n\nIf a member of the general public did this (5 times the legal limit, armed, and in a running car) they would still be dealing with the legal fallout, damage to their career and personal life 3 years later.", ">\n\nIt was a normal everyday person, That person would have been convicted of a DUI and arrested on the spot.\nThe cops don't need to abide by the law they enforce. This is why there is (rightly) the defund the police movement.", ">\n\nIMO - If the people in Aurora would stand up, this wouldn't be an issue. The people of Aurora leave this is acceptable behavior and support it. If they didn't supported There would be protests. The cops are doing it because they can get away with it.", ">\n\nFor real, after the Elijah McCain murder the city should have turned out in force, but here we are letting these thugs lord over the community and get away with blatant abuses of the law. Stop coddling bad actors.", ">\n\nYes, I agree with you. If people are upset, stop complaining and take action.\nIn most cases, the police force is one agency that reports to the director of public safety. Usually, the director of public safety is appointed by the mayor. If that's the case in this instance, march on the mayor's office. Propose a recall. Do not vote for the mayor. I guarantee if the mayor's job is in jeopardy then actions will happen.", ">\n\n“Aurora’s Mediocorerst”", ">\n\nMediocre is a big compliment to these shitty cops.", ">\n\nA friend of mine was caught drunk behind the wheel of her parked personal vehicle and was promoted at work too! Just kidding, she was arrested and lives with a DWI on her record making her life a living hell for the last decade. But good for this guy..", ">\n\nWhat was she doing drunk behind the wheel even if parked tho", ">\n\nSitting?\nThough cops will arrest you for a DUI even if you're sleeping in the backseat.", ">\n\nLike churches, cover up or relocate. Get them back on duty asap.", ">\n\nThey didn't bother to cover up, or relocate, just a 10% raise and a promotion. Who's going to do anything? The new chief was singing his praises on TV last night. No amount of outrage will do anything.", ">\n\nAll fair points.", ">\n\nIt's called Failing upwards", ">\n\nYou get promoted until you cant meet the expectations or no one catches the mistakes until it becomes a big mistake for those special cases.", ">\n\n\nAurora PD\n\nthe fact this PD still exists is an absolute mindfuck. just never ending in the news about how much they fuck up everyday.", ">\n\nI can accept that someone turns their life around after a DUI and deserves to reclaim their lives. \nBut those are people that actually got a DUI, not a demotion", ">\n\nRules for thee but not for me", ">\n\nA barista at Starbucks would be fired if they were found passed out drunk WHILE ON THE JOB. American police get promoted for it.\nNothing makes sense.", ">\n\nAnd police all over America wonder, “Why don’t people like or trust us?”.", ">\n\nMeier shares his story with police cadets and other employee groups, in an attempt to help them avoid what happened to him, according to Acevedo. \nSo he goes around and tells other police how to get drunk at work while in uniform and armed and get away with it." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion.", ">\n\nLiterally passed out in a running car... \nImagine what a normal person would get for that.", ">\n\nWell in Indiana a “normal” person would get a c misdemeanor charge. The lowest level of misdemeanor if you are wondering. OWI is looked at softly whether you are a cop or not.", ">\n\nI know someone who parked their car off the road and went to sleep. Left keys in the igntion. Got OWI. But they were not in Indiana.", ">\n\nThere's a case in Wyoming where a guy knew he was too drunk to drive, knew the law about control of a vehicle while intoxicated, so he threw his keys over a high wooden fence, then went back to his car to sleep off the alcohol. The cops find him sleeping in his car, ask him where his keys are, scale the fence and then arrest him for dwi. Court ruled that because officers could scale the fence to get the keys, the guy was still in control of his vehicle and could therefore be charged with dwi.", ">\n\nBy that logic, anyone who hasn't destroyed their car keys before having a drink can get a dwi.", ">\n\nAgreed. Short of locking my keys in a bank vault with no combo/key, it could be argued I could get them at any other location/point as well by that logic. Just more \"justice\" being served I guess.", ">\n\nI mean really you could always borrow somebody’s car or steal a car, so maybe we should just walk into bars and arrest everybody who is already drunk if there happened to be any motor vehicles at all within walking distance of the establishment. \nIt’s a line drawing exercise. I think that most of us agree that getting into a motor vehicle while intoxicated and driving on a public highway is not something that should be tolerated. But we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \nI’m just curious whether people would back these policies for other kinds of crime. I mean I guess that we do talk about it with guns, suggesting criminalizing merely possessing a gun rather than waiting for a violent crime to happen. But that’s really hypothetical; we talk about gun control but for the most part it doesn’t happen.", ">\n\n\nBut we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \n\nHonestly, I think it's because a majority of people take more satisfaction in \"catching the bad guy\" then the possible consequences of getting the wrong person bothers them. People love that feeling, you can tell anytime some criminal gets caught. Regardless of what they did, it's still weird seeing people joke gleefully about prison rape and the consequences someone might suffer. I'm glad they're off the street, but I'm not celebrating more suffering.", ">\n\nYes, I think there is that. To go back a layer I think it comes down to the sociological “other.” We have a tendency to love dehumanizing people for all sorts of reasons, and it’s not really as simple as a good/bad binary where only bad people engage in prejudice and hatred. I think most people are quite happy to categorize others as “criminals” for any available reason and once you have put the other into a category like that the whole idea of criminal justice reform just seems kind of silly. Those aren’t people, they’re criminals. Something is wrong with you if you think that they need to be treated humanely or fairly.", ">\n\nI’ve not been caught drunk on a job for way longer than that, where’s my promotion ??", ">\n\nYa gotta be a cop to get promoted for mediocrity.", ">\n\nNot even mediocrity in this example just straight “I break the laws and nobody gives a shit”. I wonder how many people he’s taken to jail for driving under the influence since his little incident.", ">\n\nThe “mediocrity” is that he managed to not get caught for 3.5 years in an alcoholic stupor while armed and at the wheel of a police car.", ">\n\nPeople in positions of power are never truly held accountable. It's the powerless that are and never allowed to redeem themselves. Fuck, he wasn't arrested, wasn't fired, received a work demotion, but promoted just a few years later. Aurora police didn't care about accountability then, and now they remind everyone the rules are just different for police.", ">\n\nTbf 3.5 years is plenty of time to clean up your act. Should he have gotten in more trouble for driving drunk? The rest of us sure would, but how much time after a DUI has to pass before redemption is on the table?", ">\n\nHe should have been fired and ineligible for rehire. A DUI will permanently bar you from any job I've ever heard of where you drive a car all day. And for a cop to be drunk on duty is wildly unacceptable. The dude was drunk as shit while carrying a gun. He absolutely should not be allowed to be a cop after that.\nAlso, why would he clean up his act? There were no consequences.", ">\n\nIt’s absurd that you even have to explain that for some people.", ">\n\nSure, but when I do it I'm 'endangering the public'.", ">\n\nIf a member of the general public did this (5 times the legal limit, armed, and in a running car) they would still be dealing with the legal fallout, damage to their career and personal life 3 years later.", ">\n\nIt was a normal everyday person, That person would have been convicted of a DUI and arrested on the spot.\nThe cops don't need to abide by the law they enforce. This is why there is (rightly) the defund the police movement.", ">\n\nIMO - If the people in Aurora would stand up, this wouldn't be an issue. The people of Aurora leave this is acceptable behavior and support it. If they didn't supported There would be protests. The cops are doing it because they can get away with it.", ">\n\nFor real, after the Elijah McCain murder the city should have turned out in force, but here we are letting these thugs lord over the community and get away with blatant abuses of the law. Stop coddling bad actors.", ">\n\nYes, I agree with you. If people are upset, stop complaining and take action.\nIn most cases, the police force is one agency that reports to the director of public safety. Usually, the director of public safety is appointed by the mayor. If that's the case in this instance, march on the mayor's office. Propose a recall. Do not vote for the mayor. I guarantee if the mayor's job is in jeopardy then actions will happen.", ">\n\n“Aurora’s Mediocorerst”", ">\n\nMediocre is a big compliment to these shitty cops.", ">\n\nA friend of mine was caught drunk behind the wheel of her parked personal vehicle and was promoted at work too! Just kidding, she was arrested and lives with a DWI on her record making her life a living hell for the last decade. But good for this guy..", ">\n\nWhat was she doing drunk behind the wheel even if parked tho", ">\n\nSitting?\nThough cops will arrest you for a DUI even if you're sleeping in the backseat.", ">\n\nLike churches, cover up or relocate. Get them back on duty asap.", ">\n\nThey didn't bother to cover up, or relocate, just a 10% raise and a promotion. Who's going to do anything? The new chief was singing his praises on TV last night. No amount of outrage will do anything.", ">\n\nAll fair points.", ">\n\nIt's called Failing upwards", ">\n\nYou get promoted until you cant meet the expectations or no one catches the mistakes until it becomes a big mistake for those special cases.", ">\n\n\nAurora PD\n\nthe fact this PD still exists is an absolute mindfuck. just never ending in the news about how much they fuck up everyday.", ">\n\nI can accept that someone turns their life around after a DUI and deserves to reclaim their lives. \nBut those are people that actually got a DUI, not a demotion", ">\n\nRules for thee but not for me", ">\n\nA barista at Starbucks would be fired if they were found passed out drunk WHILE ON THE JOB. American police get promoted for it.\nNothing makes sense.", ">\n\nAnd police all over America wonder, “Why don’t people like or trust us?”.", ">\n\nMeier shares his story with police cadets and other employee groups, in an attempt to help them avoid what happened to him, according to Acevedo. \nSo he goes around and tells other police how to get drunk at work while in uniform and armed and get away with it.", ">\n\nNow he gets to tell them how he was promoted after that." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion.", ">\n\nLiterally passed out in a running car... \nImagine what a normal person would get for that.", ">\n\nWell in Indiana a “normal” person would get a c misdemeanor charge. The lowest level of misdemeanor if you are wondering. OWI is looked at softly whether you are a cop or not.", ">\n\nI know someone who parked their car off the road and went to sleep. Left keys in the igntion. Got OWI. But they were not in Indiana.", ">\n\nThere's a case in Wyoming where a guy knew he was too drunk to drive, knew the law about control of a vehicle while intoxicated, so he threw his keys over a high wooden fence, then went back to his car to sleep off the alcohol. The cops find him sleeping in his car, ask him where his keys are, scale the fence and then arrest him for dwi. Court ruled that because officers could scale the fence to get the keys, the guy was still in control of his vehicle and could therefore be charged with dwi.", ">\n\nBy that logic, anyone who hasn't destroyed their car keys before having a drink can get a dwi.", ">\n\nAgreed. Short of locking my keys in a bank vault with no combo/key, it could be argued I could get them at any other location/point as well by that logic. Just more \"justice\" being served I guess.", ">\n\nI mean really you could always borrow somebody’s car or steal a car, so maybe we should just walk into bars and arrest everybody who is already drunk if there happened to be any motor vehicles at all within walking distance of the establishment. \nIt’s a line drawing exercise. I think that most of us agree that getting into a motor vehicle while intoxicated and driving on a public highway is not something that should be tolerated. But we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \nI’m just curious whether people would back these policies for other kinds of crime. I mean I guess that we do talk about it with guns, suggesting criminalizing merely possessing a gun rather than waiting for a violent crime to happen. But that’s really hypothetical; we talk about gun control but for the most part it doesn’t happen.", ">\n\n\nBut we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \n\nHonestly, I think it's because a majority of people take more satisfaction in \"catching the bad guy\" then the possible consequences of getting the wrong person bothers them. People love that feeling, you can tell anytime some criminal gets caught. Regardless of what they did, it's still weird seeing people joke gleefully about prison rape and the consequences someone might suffer. I'm glad they're off the street, but I'm not celebrating more suffering.", ">\n\nYes, I think there is that. To go back a layer I think it comes down to the sociological “other.” We have a tendency to love dehumanizing people for all sorts of reasons, and it’s not really as simple as a good/bad binary where only bad people engage in prejudice and hatred. I think most people are quite happy to categorize others as “criminals” for any available reason and once you have put the other into a category like that the whole idea of criminal justice reform just seems kind of silly. Those aren’t people, they’re criminals. Something is wrong with you if you think that they need to be treated humanely or fairly.", ">\n\nI’ve not been caught drunk on a job for way longer than that, where’s my promotion ??", ">\n\nYa gotta be a cop to get promoted for mediocrity.", ">\n\nNot even mediocrity in this example just straight “I break the laws and nobody gives a shit”. I wonder how many people he’s taken to jail for driving under the influence since his little incident.", ">\n\nThe “mediocrity” is that he managed to not get caught for 3.5 years in an alcoholic stupor while armed and at the wheel of a police car.", ">\n\nPeople in positions of power are never truly held accountable. It's the powerless that are and never allowed to redeem themselves. Fuck, he wasn't arrested, wasn't fired, received a work demotion, but promoted just a few years later. Aurora police didn't care about accountability then, and now they remind everyone the rules are just different for police.", ">\n\nTbf 3.5 years is plenty of time to clean up your act. Should he have gotten in more trouble for driving drunk? The rest of us sure would, but how much time after a DUI has to pass before redemption is on the table?", ">\n\nHe should have been fired and ineligible for rehire. A DUI will permanently bar you from any job I've ever heard of where you drive a car all day. And for a cop to be drunk on duty is wildly unacceptable. The dude was drunk as shit while carrying a gun. He absolutely should not be allowed to be a cop after that.\nAlso, why would he clean up his act? There were no consequences.", ">\n\nIt’s absurd that you even have to explain that for some people.", ">\n\nSure, but when I do it I'm 'endangering the public'.", ">\n\nIf a member of the general public did this (5 times the legal limit, armed, and in a running car) they would still be dealing with the legal fallout, damage to their career and personal life 3 years later.", ">\n\nIt was a normal everyday person, That person would have been convicted of a DUI and arrested on the spot.\nThe cops don't need to abide by the law they enforce. This is why there is (rightly) the defund the police movement.", ">\n\nIMO - If the people in Aurora would stand up, this wouldn't be an issue. The people of Aurora leave this is acceptable behavior and support it. If they didn't supported There would be protests. The cops are doing it because they can get away with it.", ">\n\nFor real, after the Elijah McCain murder the city should have turned out in force, but here we are letting these thugs lord over the community and get away with blatant abuses of the law. Stop coddling bad actors.", ">\n\nYes, I agree with you. If people are upset, stop complaining and take action.\nIn most cases, the police force is one agency that reports to the director of public safety. Usually, the director of public safety is appointed by the mayor. If that's the case in this instance, march on the mayor's office. Propose a recall. Do not vote for the mayor. I guarantee if the mayor's job is in jeopardy then actions will happen.", ">\n\n“Aurora’s Mediocorerst”", ">\n\nMediocre is a big compliment to these shitty cops.", ">\n\nA friend of mine was caught drunk behind the wheel of her parked personal vehicle and was promoted at work too! Just kidding, she was arrested and lives with a DWI on her record making her life a living hell for the last decade. But good for this guy..", ">\n\nWhat was she doing drunk behind the wheel even if parked tho", ">\n\nSitting?\nThough cops will arrest you for a DUI even if you're sleeping in the backseat.", ">\n\nLike churches, cover up or relocate. Get them back on duty asap.", ">\n\nThey didn't bother to cover up, or relocate, just a 10% raise and a promotion. Who's going to do anything? The new chief was singing his praises on TV last night. No amount of outrage will do anything.", ">\n\nAll fair points.", ">\n\nIt's called Failing upwards", ">\n\nYou get promoted until you cant meet the expectations or no one catches the mistakes until it becomes a big mistake for those special cases.", ">\n\n\nAurora PD\n\nthe fact this PD still exists is an absolute mindfuck. just never ending in the news about how much they fuck up everyday.", ">\n\nI can accept that someone turns their life around after a DUI and deserves to reclaim their lives. \nBut those are people that actually got a DUI, not a demotion", ">\n\nRules for thee but not for me", ">\n\nA barista at Starbucks would be fired if they were found passed out drunk WHILE ON THE JOB. American police get promoted for it.\nNothing makes sense.", ">\n\nAnd police all over America wonder, “Why don’t people like or trust us?”.", ">\n\nMeier shares his story with police cadets and other employee groups, in an attempt to help them avoid what happened to him, according to Acevedo. \nSo he goes around and tells other police how to get drunk at work while in uniform and armed and get away with it.", ">\n\nNow he gets to tell them how he was promoted after that.", ">\n\nI've never been to Aurora, but somehow I know how fucking horrible its police force is." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion.", ">\n\nLiterally passed out in a running car... \nImagine what a normal person would get for that.", ">\n\nWell in Indiana a “normal” person would get a c misdemeanor charge. The lowest level of misdemeanor if you are wondering. OWI is looked at softly whether you are a cop or not.", ">\n\nI know someone who parked their car off the road and went to sleep. Left keys in the igntion. Got OWI. But they were not in Indiana.", ">\n\nThere's a case in Wyoming where a guy knew he was too drunk to drive, knew the law about control of a vehicle while intoxicated, so he threw his keys over a high wooden fence, then went back to his car to sleep off the alcohol. The cops find him sleeping in his car, ask him where his keys are, scale the fence and then arrest him for dwi. Court ruled that because officers could scale the fence to get the keys, the guy was still in control of his vehicle and could therefore be charged with dwi.", ">\n\nBy that logic, anyone who hasn't destroyed their car keys before having a drink can get a dwi.", ">\n\nAgreed. Short of locking my keys in a bank vault with no combo/key, it could be argued I could get them at any other location/point as well by that logic. Just more \"justice\" being served I guess.", ">\n\nI mean really you could always borrow somebody’s car or steal a car, so maybe we should just walk into bars and arrest everybody who is already drunk if there happened to be any motor vehicles at all within walking distance of the establishment. \nIt’s a line drawing exercise. I think that most of us agree that getting into a motor vehicle while intoxicated and driving on a public highway is not something that should be tolerated. But we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \nI’m just curious whether people would back these policies for other kinds of crime. I mean I guess that we do talk about it with guns, suggesting criminalizing merely possessing a gun rather than waiting for a violent crime to happen. But that’s really hypothetical; we talk about gun control but for the most part it doesn’t happen.", ">\n\n\nBut we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \n\nHonestly, I think it's because a majority of people take more satisfaction in \"catching the bad guy\" then the possible consequences of getting the wrong person bothers them. People love that feeling, you can tell anytime some criminal gets caught. Regardless of what they did, it's still weird seeing people joke gleefully about prison rape and the consequences someone might suffer. I'm glad they're off the street, but I'm not celebrating more suffering.", ">\n\nYes, I think there is that. To go back a layer I think it comes down to the sociological “other.” We have a tendency to love dehumanizing people for all sorts of reasons, and it’s not really as simple as a good/bad binary where only bad people engage in prejudice and hatred. I think most people are quite happy to categorize others as “criminals” for any available reason and once you have put the other into a category like that the whole idea of criminal justice reform just seems kind of silly. Those aren’t people, they’re criminals. Something is wrong with you if you think that they need to be treated humanely or fairly.", ">\n\nI’ve not been caught drunk on a job for way longer than that, where’s my promotion ??", ">\n\nYa gotta be a cop to get promoted for mediocrity.", ">\n\nNot even mediocrity in this example just straight “I break the laws and nobody gives a shit”. I wonder how many people he’s taken to jail for driving under the influence since his little incident.", ">\n\nThe “mediocrity” is that he managed to not get caught for 3.5 years in an alcoholic stupor while armed and at the wheel of a police car.", ">\n\nPeople in positions of power are never truly held accountable. It's the powerless that are and never allowed to redeem themselves. Fuck, he wasn't arrested, wasn't fired, received a work demotion, but promoted just a few years later. Aurora police didn't care about accountability then, and now they remind everyone the rules are just different for police.", ">\n\nTbf 3.5 years is plenty of time to clean up your act. Should he have gotten in more trouble for driving drunk? The rest of us sure would, but how much time after a DUI has to pass before redemption is on the table?", ">\n\nHe should have been fired and ineligible for rehire. A DUI will permanently bar you from any job I've ever heard of where you drive a car all day. And for a cop to be drunk on duty is wildly unacceptable. The dude was drunk as shit while carrying a gun. He absolutely should not be allowed to be a cop after that.\nAlso, why would he clean up his act? There were no consequences.", ">\n\nIt’s absurd that you even have to explain that for some people.", ">\n\nSure, but when I do it I'm 'endangering the public'.", ">\n\nIf a member of the general public did this (5 times the legal limit, armed, and in a running car) they would still be dealing with the legal fallout, damage to their career and personal life 3 years later.", ">\n\nIt was a normal everyday person, That person would have been convicted of a DUI and arrested on the spot.\nThe cops don't need to abide by the law they enforce. This is why there is (rightly) the defund the police movement.", ">\n\nIMO - If the people in Aurora would stand up, this wouldn't be an issue. The people of Aurora leave this is acceptable behavior and support it. If they didn't supported There would be protests. The cops are doing it because they can get away with it.", ">\n\nFor real, after the Elijah McCain murder the city should have turned out in force, but here we are letting these thugs lord over the community and get away with blatant abuses of the law. Stop coddling bad actors.", ">\n\nYes, I agree with you. If people are upset, stop complaining and take action.\nIn most cases, the police force is one agency that reports to the director of public safety. Usually, the director of public safety is appointed by the mayor. If that's the case in this instance, march on the mayor's office. Propose a recall. Do not vote for the mayor. I guarantee if the mayor's job is in jeopardy then actions will happen.", ">\n\n“Aurora’s Mediocorerst”", ">\n\nMediocre is a big compliment to these shitty cops.", ">\n\nA friend of mine was caught drunk behind the wheel of her parked personal vehicle and was promoted at work too! Just kidding, she was arrested and lives with a DWI on her record making her life a living hell for the last decade. But good for this guy..", ">\n\nWhat was she doing drunk behind the wheel even if parked tho", ">\n\nSitting?\nThough cops will arrest you for a DUI even if you're sleeping in the backseat.", ">\n\nLike churches, cover up or relocate. Get them back on duty asap.", ">\n\nThey didn't bother to cover up, or relocate, just a 10% raise and a promotion. Who's going to do anything? The new chief was singing his praises on TV last night. No amount of outrage will do anything.", ">\n\nAll fair points.", ">\n\nIt's called Failing upwards", ">\n\nYou get promoted until you cant meet the expectations or no one catches the mistakes until it becomes a big mistake for those special cases.", ">\n\n\nAurora PD\n\nthe fact this PD still exists is an absolute mindfuck. just never ending in the news about how much they fuck up everyday.", ">\n\nI can accept that someone turns their life around after a DUI and deserves to reclaim their lives. \nBut those are people that actually got a DUI, not a demotion", ">\n\nRules for thee but not for me", ">\n\nA barista at Starbucks would be fired if they were found passed out drunk WHILE ON THE JOB. American police get promoted for it.\nNothing makes sense.", ">\n\nAnd police all over America wonder, “Why don’t people like or trust us?”.", ">\n\nMeier shares his story with police cadets and other employee groups, in an attempt to help them avoid what happened to him, according to Acevedo. \nSo he goes around and tells other police how to get drunk at work while in uniform and armed and get away with it.", ">\n\nNow he gets to tell them how he was promoted after that.", ">\n\nI've never been to Aurora, but somehow I know how fucking horrible its police force is.", ">\n\nCan’t keep a shitty cop down…." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion.", ">\n\nLiterally passed out in a running car... \nImagine what a normal person would get for that.", ">\n\nWell in Indiana a “normal” person would get a c misdemeanor charge. The lowest level of misdemeanor if you are wondering. OWI is looked at softly whether you are a cop or not.", ">\n\nI know someone who parked their car off the road and went to sleep. Left keys in the igntion. Got OWI. But they were not in Indiana.", ">\n\nThere's a case in Wyoming where a guy knew he was too drunk to drive, knew the law about control of a vehicle while intoxicated, so he threw his keys over a high wooden fence, then went back to his car to sleep off the alcohol. The cops find him sleeping in his car, ask him where his keys are, scale the fence and then arrest him for dwi. Court ruled that because officers could scale the fence to get the keys, the guy was still in control of his vehicle and could therefore be charged with dwi.", ">\n\nBy that logic, anyone who hasn't destroyed their car keys before having a drink can get a dwi.", ">\n\nAgreed. Short of locking my keys in a bank vault with no combo/key, it could be argued I could get them at any other location/point as well by that logic. Just more \"justice\" being served I guess.", ">\n\nI mean really you could always borrow somebody’s car or steal a car, so maybe we should just walk into bars and arrest everybody who is already drunk if there happened to be any motor vehicles at all within walking distance of the establishment. \nIt’s a line drawing exercise. I think that most of us agree that getting into a motor vehicle while intoxicated and driving on a public highway is not something that should be tolerated. But we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \nI’m just curious whether people would back these policies for other kinds of crime. I mean I guess that we do talk about it with guns, suggesting criminalizing merely possessing a gun rather than waiting for a violent crime to happen. But that’s really hypothetical; we talk about gun control but for the most part it doesn’t happen.", ">\n\n\nBut we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \n\nHonestly, I think it's because a majority of people take more satisfaction in \"catching the bad guy\" then the possible consequences of getting the wrong person bothers them. People love that feeling, you can tell anytime some criminal gets caught. Regardless of what they did, it's still weird seeing people joke gleefully about prison rape and the consequences someone might suffer. I'm glad they're off the street, but I'm not celebrating more suffering.", ">\n\nYes, I think there is that. To go back a layer I think it comes down to the sociological “other.” We have a tendency to love dehumanizing people for all sorts of reasons, and it’s not really as simple as a good/bad binary where only bad people engage in prejudice and hatred. I think most people are quite happy to categorize others as “criminals” for any available reason and once you have put the other into a category like that the whole idea of criminal justice reform just seems kind of silly. Those aren’t people, they’re criminals. Something is wrong with you if you think that they need to be treated humanely or fairly.", ">\n\nI’ve not been caught drunk on a job for way longer than that, where’s my promotion ??", ">\n\nYa gotta be a cop to get promoted for mediocrity.", ">\n\nNot even mediocrity in this example just straight “I break the laws and nobody gives a shit”. I wonder how many people he’s taken to jail for driving under the influence since his little incident.", ">\n\nThe “mediocrity” is that he managed to not get caught for 3.5 years in an alcoholic stupor while armed and at the wheel of a police car.", ">\n\nPeople in positions of power are never truly held accountable. It's the powerless that are and never allowed to redeem themselves. Fuck, he wasn't arrested, wasn't fired, received a work demotion, but promoted just a few years later. Aurora police didn't care about accountability then, and now they remind everyone the rules are just different for police.", ">\n\nTbf 3.5 years is plenty of time to clean up your act. Should he have gotten in more trouble for driving drunk? The rest of us sure would, but how much time after a DUI has to pass before redemption is on the table?", ">\n\nHe should have been fired and ineligible for rehire. A DUI will permanently bar you from any job I've ever heard of where you drive a car all day. And for a cop to be drunk on duty is wildly unacceptable. The dude was drunk as shit while carrying a gun. He absolutely should not be allowed to be a cop after that.\nAlso, why would he clean up his act? There were no consequences.", ">\n\nIt’s absurd that you even have to explain that for some people.", ">\n\nSure, but when I do it I'm 'endangering the public'.", ">\n\nIf a member of the general public did this (5 times the legal limit, armed, and in a running car) they would still be dealing with the legal fallout, damage to their career and personal life 3 years later.", ">\n\nIt was a normal everyday person, That person would have been convicted of a DUI and arrested on the spot.\nThe cops don't need to abide by the law they enforce. This is why there is (rightly) the defund the police movement.", ">\n\nIMO - If the people in Aurora would stand up, this wouldn't be an issue. The people of Aurora leave this is acceptable behavior and support it. If they didn't supported There would be protests. The cops are doing it because they can get away with it.", ">\n\nFor real, after the Elijah McCain murder the city should have turned out in force, but here we are letting these thugs lord over the community and get away with blatant abuses of the law. Stop coddling bad actors.", ">\n\nYes, I agree with you. If people are upset, stop complaining and take action.\nIn most cases, the police force is one agency that reports to the director of public safety. Usually, the director of public safety is appointed by the mayor. If that's the case in this instance, march on the mayor's office. Propose a recall. Do not vote for the mayor. I guarantee if the mayor's job is in jeopardy then actions will happen.", ">\n\n“Aurora’s Mediocorerst”", ">\n\nMediocre is a big compliment to these shitty cops.", ">\n\nA friend of mine was caught drunk behind the wheel of her parked personal vehicle and was promoted at work too! Just kidding, she was arrested and lives with a DWI on her record making her life a living hell for the last decade. But good for this guy..", ">\n\nWhat was she doing drunk behind the wheel even if parked tho", ">\n\nSitting?\nThough cops will arrest you for a DUI even if you're sleeping in the backseat.", ">\n\nLike churches, cover up or relocate. Get them back on duty asap.", ">\n\nThey didn't bother to cover up, or relocate, just a 10% raise and a promotion. Who's going to do anything? The new chief was singing his praises on TV last night. No amount of outrage will do anything.", ">\n\nAll fair points.", ">\n\nIt's called Failing upwards", ">\n\nYou get promoted until you cant meet the expectations or no one catches the mistakes until it becomes a big mistake for those special cases.", ">\n\n\nAurora PD\n\nthe fact this PD still exists is an absolute mindfuck. just never ending in the news about how much they fuck up everyday.", ">\n\nI can accept that someone turns their life around after a DUI and deserves to reclaim their lives. \nBut those are people that actually got a DUI, not a demotion", ">\n\nRules for thee but not for me", ">\n\nA barista at Starbucks would be fired if they were found passed out drunk WHILE ON THE JOB. American police get promoted for it.\nNothing makes sense.", ">\n\nAnd police all over America wonder, “Why don’t people like or trust us?”.", ">\n\nMeier shares his story with police cadets and other employee groups, in an attempt to help them avoid what happened to him, according to Acevedo. \nSo he goes around and tells other police how to get drunk at work while in uniform and armed and get away with it.", ">\n\nNow he gets to tell them how he was promoted after that.", ">\n\nI've never been to Aurora, but somehow I know how fucking horrible its police force is.", ">\n\nCan’t keep a shitty cop down….", ">\n\nIts amazing how shit that would normally send people to jail for a long time and ruin any chance for betterment in their lives never seem to apply to cops or rich people." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion.", ">\n\nLiterally passed out in a running car... \nImagine what a normal person would get for that.", ">\n\nWell in Indiana a “normal” person would get a c misdemeanor charge. The lowest level of misdemeanor if you are wondering. OWI is looked at softly whether you are a cop or not.", ">\n\nI know someone who parked their car off the road and went to sleep. Left keys in the igntion. Got OWI. But they were not in Indiana.", ">\n\nThere's a case in Wyoming where a guy knew he was too drunk to drive, knew the law about control of a vehicle while intoxicated, so he threw his keys over a high wooden fence, then went back to his car to sleep off the alcohol. The cops find him sleeping in his car, ask him where his keys are, scale the fence and then arrest him for dwi. Court ruled that because officers could scale the fence to get the keys, the guy was still in control of his vehicle and could therefore be charged with dwi.", ">\n\nBy that logic, anyone who hasn't destroyed their car keys before having a drink can get a dwi.", ">\n\nAgreed. Short of locking my keys in a bank vault with no combo/key, it could be argued I could get them at any other location/point as well by that logic. Just more \"justice\" being served I guess.", ">\n\nI mean really you could always borrow somebody’s car or steal a car, so maybe we should just walk into bars and arrest everybody who is already drunk if there happened to be any motor vehicles at all within walking distance of the establishment. \nIt’s a line drawing exercise. I think that most of us agree that getting into a motor vehicle while intoxicated and driving on a public highway is not something that should be tolerated. But we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \nI’m just curious whether people would back these policies for other kinds of crime. I mean I guess that we do talk about it with guns, suggesting criminalizing merely possessing a gun rather than waiting for a violent crime to happen. But that’s really hypothetical; we talk about gun control but for the most part it doesn’t happen.", ">\n\n\nBut we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \n\nHonestly, I think it's because a majority of people take more satisfaction in \"catching the bad guy\" then the possible consequences of getting the wrong person bothers them. People love that feeling, you can tell anytime some criminal gets caught. Regardless of what they did, it's still weird seeing people joke gleefully about prison rape and the consequences someone might suffer. I'm glad they're off the street, but I'm not celebrating more suffering.", ">\n\nYes, I think there is that. To go back a layer I think it comes down to the sociological “other.” We have a tendency to love dehumanizing people for all sorts of reasons, and it’s not really as simple as a good/bad binary where only bad people engage in prejudice and hatred. I think most people are quite happy to categorize others as “criminals” for any available reason and once you have put the other into a category like that the whole idea of criminal justice reform just seems kind of silly. Those aren’t people, they’re criminals. Something is wrong with you if you think that they need to be treated humanely or fairly.", ">\n\nI’ve not been caught drunk on a job for way longer than that, where’s my promotion ??", ">\n\nYa gotta be a cop to get promoted for mediocrity.", ">\n\nNot even mediocrity in this example just straight “I break the laws and nobody gives a shit”. I wonder how many people he’s taken to jail for driving under the influence since his little incident.", ">\n\nThe “mediocrity” is that he managed to not get caught for 3.5 years in an alcoholic stupor while armed and at the wheel of a police car.", ">\n\nPeople in positions of power are never truly held accountable. It's the powerless that are and never allowed to redeem themselves. Fuck, he wasn't arrested, wasn't fired, received a work demotion, but promoted just a few years later. Aurora police didn't care about accountability then, and now they remind everyone the rules are just different for police.", ">\n\nTbf 3.5 years is plenty of time to clean up your act. Should he have gotten in more trouble for driving drunk? The rest of us sure would, but how much time after a DUI has to pass before redemption is on the table?", ">\n\nHe should have been fired and ineligible for rehire. A DUI will permanently bar you from any job I've ever heard of where you drive a car all day. And for a cop to be drunk on duty is wildly unacceptable. The dude was drunk as shit while carrying a gun. He absolutely should not be allowed to be a cop after that.\nAlso, why would he clean up his act? There were no consequences.", ">\n\nIt’s absurd that you even have to explain that for some people.", ">\n\nSure, but when I do it I'm 'endangering the public'.", ">\n\nIf a member of the general public did this (5 times the legal limit, armed, and in a running car) they would still be dealing with the legal fallout, damage to their career and personal life 3 years later.", ">\n\nIt was a normal everyday person, That person would have been convicted of a DUI and arrested on the spot.\nThe cops don't need to abide by the law they enforce. This is why there is (rightly) the defund the police movement.", ">\n\nIMO - If the people in Aurora would stand up, this wouldn't be an issue. The people of Aurora leave this is acceptable behavior and support it. If they didn't supported There would be protests. The cops are doing it because they can get away with it.", ">\n\nFor real, after the Elijah McCain murder the city should have turned out in force, but here we are letting these thugs lord over the community and get away with blatant abuses of the law. Stop coddling bad actors.", ">\n\nYes, I agree with you. If people are upset, stop complaining and take action.\nIn most cases, the police force is one agency that reports to the director of public safety. Usually, the director of public safety is appointed by the mayor. If that's the case in this instance, march on the mayor's office. Propose a recall. Do not vote for the mayor. I guarantee if the mayor's job is in jeopardy then actions will happen.", ">\n\n“Aurora’s Mediocorerst”", ">\n\nMediocre is a big compliment to these shitty cops.", ">\n\nA friend of mine was caught drunk behind the wheel of her parked personal vehicle and was promoted at work too! Just kidding, she was arrested and lives with a DWI on her record making her life a living hell for the last decade. But good for this guy..", ">\n\nWhat was she doing drunk behind the wheel even if parked tho", ">\n\nSitting?\nThough cops will arrest you for a DUI even if you're sleeping in the backseat.", ">\n\nLike churches, cover up or relocate. Get them back on duty asap.", ">\n\nThey didn't bother to cover up, or relocate, just a 10% raise and a promotion. Who's going to do anything? The new chief was singing his praises on TV last night. No amount of outrage will do anything.", ">\n\nAll fair points.", ">\n\nIt's called Failing upwards", ">\n\nYou get promoted until you cant meet the expectations or no one catches the mistakes until it becomes a big mistake for those special cases.", ">\n\n\nAurora PD\n\nthe fact this PD still exists is an absolute mindfuck. just never ending in the news about how much they fuck up everyday.", ">\n\nI can accept that someone turns their life around after a DUI and deserves to reclaim their lives. \nBut those are people that actually got a DUI, not a demotion", ">\n\nRules for thee but not for me", ">\n\nA barista at Starbucks would be fired if they were found passed out drunk WHILE ON THE JOB. American police get promoted for it.\nNothing makes sense.", ">\n\nAnd police all over America wonder, “Why don’t people like or trust us?”.", ">\n\nMeier shares his story with police cadets and other employee groups, in an attempt to help them avoid what happened to him, according to Acevedo. \nSo he goes around and tells other police how to get drunk at work while in uniform and armed and get away with it.", ">\n\nNow he gets to tell them how he was promoted after that.", ">\n\nI've never been to Aurora, but somehow I know how fucking horrible its police force is.", ">\n\nCan’t keep a shitty cop down….", ">\n\nIts amazing how shit that would normally send people to jail for a long time and ruin any chance for betterment in their lives never seem to apply to cops or rich people.", ">\n\nOF COURSE Art Acevedo is the man responsible for promoting this dude. He’s notorious in Austin and Houston." ]

[ "They literally had to call the paramedics to get him out of his car and on a stretcher. They failed to prosecute or cite him cause they didn’t get a blood sample, so couldn’t charge him with being intoxicated.", ">\n\nProbably didn't get the sample on purpose because they knew he was drunk and if they had they'd have no choice but to charge him.", ">\n\nIt’s this. I was arrested for possession of cannabis in 2013 or so and they took my to the hospital for a blood draw. They were making lots of fun and having a great time at my expense. Handcuffed to the chair in the room they said “don’t go anywhere hahaha” and the nurse leaned in and said “we’re gonna take care of this hunny” and my blood samples never showed up to wherever they’re supposed to go. I think I’m supposed to get one to test with my own doctor and they do their own test so I’d have something for court but nobody got any of them so my case was thrown out.", ">\n\nLook how many people are happy you got away with DUI because a nurse mishandled evidence. Hopefully this is just another fake cop hate story.\nRemember reddit, driving high is still impaired driving. And impaired drivers kill people every day.", ">\n\nPossession =! Intoxication. \nRemember reading comprehension can keep you from looking like a moron.", ">\n\nDo you think his car got towed and he had to get a blood draw because he's being charged with possession. Or do you think his car got towed and he's getting a blood draw because he got charged with OWI and didn't have alcohol in his system?\nTry thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.", ">\n\nWell I’ll just tell you that it was Oklahoma and they did all that for possession.", ">\n\nYour possession charge was thrown out because you didn't get a blood draw? The state couldn't prove you had marijuana on you without blood? Yeah this doesn't make any sense.", ">\n\nIdk. Just sharing what happened.", ">\n\n\" Meier will be earning a salary of $110,399, an increase of $10,000 from his previous position as an officer.\"\nWait so this dude was already earning 6 figures after being demoted after being found drunk and unresponsive behind the wheel which is a felony......y'all can't tell me cops don't have a completely different justice system", ">\n\nand they think they are underpaid\nand that 110k is before contractually obligated mandatory minimum overtime (so even he if doesn't work a minute overtime, he still gets x hours - usually a couple of hundred). In the town I live in, if the cops work 10 minutes over, they get 4 hours overtime.", ">\n\nI think that's fair pay if officers actually did what they pretend they do. Protect and guide the community, stave off evil men, being beacons of decency. Modern day knights-errant\nI just don't think police have ever been like that, beyond corrupt henchmen.", ">\n\nthe cops in my town sometime help people out\nand sometimes they try to get involved in the community by giving kids cop trading cards", ">\n\nso did capone's guys", ">\n\nI remember when this happened. It was right after they killed Elijah McClain. Not surprised. The whole police department there needs to be completely cleaned out", ">\n\nI believe they hired a new police chief and claimed it was to do that. They fired her shortly after though. My guess is that she was trying to clean up the department and what they really wanted was to make it look like they were clean up the police department not actually do so.", ">\n\nShe was a nutter who was married to a woman who was using her job at Child Protective Services to attack political enemies. Now they've hired someone worse, some chief from Florida who apparently appeared on the Alex Jones show.", ">\n\nUgh! Aurora PD is such a shit show. \nRemember they are also the PD that forced 5 black kids to lay on hot asphalt because they didn't know the difference with between a motorcycle and a car.", ">\n\nHey, he’s gone three and half years without being caught drunk driving. He deserves a promotion.", ">\n\nLiterally passed out in a running car... \nImagine what a normal person would get for that.", ">\n\nWell in Indiana a “normal” person would get a c misdemeanor charge. The lowest level of misdemeanor if you are wondering. OWI is looked at softly whether you are a cop or not.", ">\n\nI know someone who parked their car off the road and went to sleep. Left keys in the igntion. Got OWI. But they were not in Indiana.", ">\n\nThere's a case in Wyoming where a guy knew he was too drunk to drive, knew the law about control of a vehicle while intoxicated, so he threw his keys over a high wooden fence, then went back to his car to sleep off the alcohol. The cops find him sleeping in his car, ask him where his keys are, scale the fence and then arrest him for dwi. Court ruled that because officers could scale the fence to get the keys, the guy was still in control of his vehicle and could therefore be charged with dwi.", ">\n\nBy that logic, anyone who hasn't destroyed their car keys before having a drink can get a dwi.", ">\n\nAgreed. Short of locking my keys in a bank vault with no combo/key, it could be argued I could get them at any other location/point as well by that logic. Just more \"justice\" being served I guess.", ">\n\nI mean really you could always borrow somebody’s car or steal a car, so maybe we should just walk into bars and arrest everybody who is already drunk if there happened to be any motor vehicles at all within walking distance of the establishment. \nIt’s a line drawing exercise. I think that most of us agree that getting into a motor vehicle while intoxicated and driving on a public highway is not something that should be tolerated. But we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \nI’m just curious whether people would back these policies for other kinds of crime. I mean I guess that we do talk about it with guns, suggesting criminalizing merely possessing a gun rather than waiting for a violent crime to happen. But that’s really hypothetical; we talk about gun control but for the most part it doesn’t happen.", ">\n\n\nBut we have these laws set up to basically move the line backwards from where the actual dangerous thing occurs Because apparently for practical reasons we feel that it is necessary to get people before the dangerous things happen. \n\nHonestly, I think it's because a majority of people take more satisfaction in \"catching the bad guy\" then the possible consequences of getting the wrong person bothers them. People love that feeling, you can tell anytime some criminal gets caught. Regardless of what they did, it's still weird seeing people joke gleefully about prison rape and the consequences someone might suffer. I'm glad they're off the street, but I'm not celebrating more suffering.", ">\n\nYes, I think there is that. To go back a layer I think it comes down to the sociological “other.” We have a tendency to love dehumanizing people for all sorts of reasons, and it’s not really as simple as a good/bad binary where only bad people engage in prejudice and hatred. I think most people are quite happy to categorize others as “criminals” for any available reason and once you have put the other into a category like that the whole idea of criminal justice reform just seems kind of silly. Those aren’t people, they’re criminals. Something is wrong with you if you think that they need to be treated humanely or fairly.", ">\n\nI’ve not been caught drunk on a job for way longer than that, where’s my promotion ??", ">\n\nYa gotta be a cop to get promoted for mediocrity.", ">\n\nNot even mediocrity in this example just straight “I break the laws and nobody gives a shit”. I wonder how many people he’s taken to jail for driving under the influence since his little incident.", ">\n\nThe “mediocrity” is that he managed to not get caught for 3.5 years in an alcoholic stupor while armed and at the wheel of a police car.", ">\n\nPeople in positions of power are never truly held accountable. It's the powerless that are and never allowed to redeem themselves. Fuck, he wasn't arrested, wasn't fired, received a work demotion, but promoted just a few years later. Aurora police didn't care about accountability then, and now they remind everyone the rules are just different for police.", ">\n\nTbf 3.5 years is plenty of time to clean up your act. Should he have gotten in more trouble for driving drunk? The rest of us sure would, but how much time after a DUI has to pass before redemption is on the table?", ">\n\nHe should have been fired and ineligible for rehire. A DUI will permanently bar you from any job I've ever heard of where you drive a car all day. And for a cop to be drunk on duty is wildly unacceptable. The dude was drunk as shit while carrying a gun. He absolutely should not be allowed to be a cop after that.\nAlso, why would he clean up his act? There were no consequences.", ">\n\nIt’s absurd that you even have to explain that for some people.", ">\n\nSure, but when I do it I'm 'endangering the public'.", ">\n\nIf a member of the general public did this (5 times the legal limit, armed, and in a running car) they would still be dealing with the legal fallout, damage to their career and personal life 3 years later.", ">\n\nIt was a normal everyday person, That person would have been convicted of a DUI and arrested on the spot.\nThe cops don't need to abide by the law they enforce. This is why there is (rightly) the defund the police movement.", ">\n\nIMO - If the people in Aurora would stand up, this wouldn't be an issue. The people of Aurora leave this is acceptable behavior and support it. If they didn't supported There would be protests. The cops are doing it because they can get away with it.", ">\n\nFor real, after the Elijah McCain murder the city should have turned out in force, but here we are letting these thugs lord over the community and get away with blatant abuses of the law. Stop coddling bad actors.", ">\n\nYes, I agree with you. If people are upset, stop complaining and take action.\nIn most cases, the police force is one agency that reports to the director of public safety. Usually, the director of public safety is appointed by the mayor. If that's the case in this instance, march on the mayor's office. Propose a recall. Do not vote for the mayor. I guarantee if the mayor's job is in jeopardy then actions will happen.", ">\n\n“Aurora’s Mediocorerst”", ">\n\nMediocre is a big compliment to these shitty cops.", ">\n\nA friend of mine was caught drunk behind the wheel of her parked personal vehicle and was promoted at work too! Just kidding, she was arrested and lives with a DWI on her record making her life a living hell for the last decade. But good for this guy..", ">\n\nWhat was she doing drunk behind the wheel even if parked tho", ">\n\nSitting?\nThough cops will arrest you for a DUI even if you're sleeping in the backseat.", ">\n\nLike churches, cover up or relocate. Get them back on duty asap.", ">\n\nThey didn't bother to cover up, or relocate, just a 10% raise and a promotion. Who's going to do anything? The new chief was singing his praises on TV last night. No amount of outrage will do anything.", ">\n\nAll fair points.", ">\n\nIt's called Failing upwards", ">\n\nYou get promoted until you cant meet the expectations or no one catches the mistakes until it becomes a big mistake for those special cases.", ">\n\n\nAurora PD\n\nthe fact this PD still exists is an absolute mindfuck. just never ending in the news about how much they fuck up everyday.", ">\n\nI can accept that someone turns their life around after a DUI and deserves to reclaim their lives. \nBut those are people that actually got a DUI, not a demotion", ">\n\nRules for thee but not for me", ">\n\nA barista at Starbucks would be fired if they were found passed out drunk WHILE ON THE JOB. American police get promoted for it.\nNothing makes sense.", ">\n\nAnd police all over America wonder, “Why don’t people like or trust us?”.", ">\n\nMeier shares his story with police cadets and other employee groups, in an attempt to help them avoid what happened to him, according to Acevedo. \nSo he goes around and tells other police how to get drunk at work while in uniform and armed and get away with it.", ">\n\nNow he gets to tell them how he was promoted after that.", ">\n\nI've never been to Aurora, but somehow I know how fucking horrible its police force is.", ">\n\nCan’t keep a shitty cop down….", ">\n\nIts amazing how shit that would normally send people to jail for a long time and ruin any chance for betterment in their lives never seem to apply to cops or rich people.", ">\n\nOF COURSE Art Acevedo is the man responsible for promoting this dude. He’s notorious in Austin and Houston.", ">\n\nWhat is sketchy to me is the fact that even with that smudge on his record, he still came in third competitively with everyone else trying for that position. How bad were all the other candidates?" ]